#soylent | Logs for 2023-08-01
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[01:18:04] <Veyrdite> Does NickServ work here? I just tried REGISTERing, but now it won't accept my pass, doesn't seem to care that I'm not auth'd and won't send a recov email.
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[01:30:19] <requerdanos> Nickserv seems to be working for me.
[01:30:55] <requerdanos> Sorry you're having trouble.
[01:32:03] <chromas> sendemail_waited: email for [redacted] failed
[01:32:11] <Veyrdite> Perhaps I need to charm and woo NickServ first. Either that or it truncated my password silently and its email function is not working.
[01:32:21] <Veyrdite> Ty chromas.
[01:32:23] <chromas> Maybe that's another thing that got broke a few weeks ago
[01:32:40] <Veyrdite> I think a NickServ from another server once silently truncated my pass. I'll try shorter versions of it.
[01:32:54] <chromas> Does it have any spaces?
[01:32:59] <Veyrdite> No, I made it one long word
[01:33:23] <Veyrdite> No unicode either :P
[01:45:09] <progo> anyone hate-follow Thunderf00t because he OCCASIONALLY makes a good point while shitcasting, or because of the once-in-a-while interesting real science experiment videos?
[01:45:24] <progo> today, neither. "Dumbest rebranding in History! Twitter - X"
[01:45:28] <progo> … 28 minutes
[01:46:12] <progo> https://www.youtube.com probably has 3 minutes of real material in the video
[01:46:16] <systemd> ^ 03Dumbest rebranding in History! Twitter - X
[01:47:41] <chromas> I haven't watched the video but 3 minutes sounds like a stretch
[01:48:04] <chromas> He's like TLC and spends half the time showing clips of previous videos over and over
[01:48:07] <progo> https://irc.glump.net actually kinda funny "now the icon is the same as the close button on your browser tabs"
[01:48:37] <progo> chromas yeah he does that especially if someone's angry at him and he's feeling rightous
[01:48:42] <progo> *righteous
[01:51:39] <progo> n.b. Musk does appear to be off his rocker and Thunderf00t couldn't possibly say anything wrong in this analysis
[01:53:51] <progo> > He's changed Twitter from a social media platform where you go to see what everyone is thinking, to one where you go to see what Musk lovers who pay $8/month think
[01:56:37] <chromas> Nobody went to twitter to think
[01:57:14] <progo> aslo they were shadowbanning everywhere before Musk came along, so no you couldn't find out what everyone was thinking
[01:58:22] <chromas> I like how twitter was a laughing stock until he bought it, then suddenly it's now become a laughingstock
[01:59:17] <chromas> Finally reading the backlog from the #meeting (and #meating)
[01:59:19] <chromas> sooo booooring
[01:59:44] <progo> I don't know the market mechanics involved in taking Instagram, adding "you can start a thread with only text", and rebranding it as Threads. but… if everyone HATES Twitter so much, how did Meta fail so bad? or have they not failed, and the "most new users aren't still there" stories from the past 5 days are bullshit logic?
[02:00:00] <progo> the only social media I'm on is a mastodon server, since before it was cool
[02:01:37] <chromas> I can't think of ever seeing even a single link to a Thread post but people still link to twitter (or nitter) all the time
[02:01:54] <progo> my experience is the same
[02:02:02] <chromas> still don't see anyone using diaspora though. jesus wept
[02:02:14] <requerdanos> excuse me, it's x, not twitter, right?
[02:02:25] <chromas> the domain is still twitter
[02:02:30] <chromas> x just redirects, at least for me
[02:02:54] <progo> give it another two weeks and I'll start saying just "X" assuming everyone knows what I mean :^)
[02:02:59] <chromas> but you're right. I'll enqueue for my thirty lashes
[02:03:32] <chromas> I think most people are still using X because of all the issues with Wayland
[02:03:45] <progo> true
[02:04:23] <chromas> hm, instead of wayland with an X compatibility plugin, what if we get muh deeplearn LLM AI GPT to create a wayland plugin for X?
[02:05:08] <chromas> I wonder if the github thing could do it
[02:05:52] <progo> I tried Wayland about … 9 months ago I think. with current LTS Kubuntu at the time
[02:05:59] <progo> unfortunately it completely failed at display DPI
[02:06:27] <progo> seems like Wayland is always moving in the right direction though
[02:06:32] <chromas> It mostly worked for me last time, but some applications had inverted touchpad scroll and it would get stuck on black sometimes
[02:06:40] <progo> ugh
[02:06:47] <progo> the land of 1000 papercuts before 1.0
[02:06:55] <chromas> should've gone with X12
[02:07:39] <progo> hey let's rebrand Wayland as SpaceX
[02:08:05] <chromas> X, SpaceX, TesleX
[02:08:17] <chromas> We should go one more and be SpaceY
[02:08:28] <chromas> with a slogan of "no touching"
[02:08:38] <progo> hey
[02:08:39] <progo> :^)
[02:12:05] <progo> thunderf00t's probably said it before, but I just absorbed now from him: Musk, who complained about Twitters' pre-Musk lawyers getting unjust enrichment from suing him to force him to complete the acquisition… some years ago he paid himself a bonus at Tesla worth more than all of Tesla's recorded profit at the time
[02:14:17] * progo was hoping for part 2 of a Common Sense Skeptic series about Andrew Tate, this past weekend
[02:32:29] <chromas> I got bored reading the #meeting-discuss backlog
[02:32:38] <chromas> The correct option is to become a church
[02:32:50] <chromas> That way we can do what we want and still pay no taxes
[02:33:02] <progo> churches tend to kill a lot of people
[02:33:28] <chromas> in the west they just take in a lot of money
[02:34:08] <chromas> Have you heard the Good News™ about our Lord and Savior CowboyNeal?
[02:35:39] <chromas> we can change the mod system to Praises and Admonishments
[02:36:27] <progo> who will preach?
[02:40:22] <chromas> Brother Jan, Father requerdan, special guest speaker mrpg...an
[02:41:23] <mrpg> I come unto you not with with peace but with the fact that heaven can only be won by sheer determination and prayer
[02:41:33] <progo> need to work RMS into it https://www.stallman.org
[02:41:47] <chromas> +1, Praise of Righteousness
[02:46:20] <chromas> Remember Naviscope?
[02:47:15] <chromas> I used to use it with pre-Chinese Opera. It would show all your web connections (and you could interrupt them) and it would pre-cache links, years and years before other browsers started doing it
[02:47:49] <progo> I wasn't aware of that. thought when you said "naviscope" you meant an SN member
[02:47:52] <chromas> back when pretty much Opera and an IE-wrapper browser had tabs
[02:48:08] <progo> I remember when Opera was the only browser with tabs for like what … 5 years?
[02:48:22] <chromas> well we did have a user named Servicescope Minor
[02:48:25] <progo> and for longer than that Opera was the only browser where "block popup windows" did what it said
[02:48:29] <chromas> or maybe he was only on /.
[02:48:34] <progo> who knew such a lock could be SO hard
[02:49:14] <chromas> technically opera didn't have tabs, it was MDI, but it did the same thing, only moreso. then they tried having in-browser ads
[02:49:14] <progo> when opera killed their in-house HTML engine, Opera lost the ability to disallow animated images :^(
[02:50:27] <chromas> They did like Mozilla, where they hid the links to the browser skins/themes, then said nobody was using it and then killed off theming
[02:51:11] <progo> I just want "light theme / dark theme" to work correctly on the UI, and ability to forbid autoplay videos and animated images
[02:51:17] <progo> AFAIK I can't get that today
[02:51:19] <chromas> oh yeah naviscope also had ad blocking and if I IIRC Correctly, could show Alexa ranking
[02:51:38] <progo> light / dark mostly works in the browser's UI if you have Windows, MacOS, or a fancy enough X desktop
[02:51:39] <chromas> I have dark theme in Waterfox & Firefox
[02:52:02] <chromas> then I have the Dark Reader extension to fix websites
[02:52:07] <progo> I do too
[02:52:12] <progo> excellent bodge
[02:52:54] <chromas> I'm not using a light X desktop so I dunno anything about the troubles, other than they are many
[02:53:19] <chromas> KDE, with only 99.7GB used
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[02:53:35] <chromas> most of that is leaky stable diffusion
[02:53:36] <progo> chromas do you know how to make any browser forbid autoplay video completely, and forbid animated images (except maybe if you click on them)?
[02:53:48] <progo> nevermind javascript moving elements around; I just want "autoplay video is not allowed"
[02:54:32] <chromas> Not sure. There might be something in about:config
[02:54:38] <progo> lol
[02:54:46] <progo> there is, in firefox forks. and it does nothing
[02:54:50] <chromas> most of the time any videos that try to play get blocked from hitting up their CDN though
[02:54:53] <progo> might be a similar broken setting in Chromium too
[02:55:30] <progo> I used to subscribe to Epoch Times. they think it's a good idea to auto-play an in-house television program in a small box on the home page, sound muted by default
[02:55:38] <progo> because of course I want to stream a video I didn't click on
[02:55:41] <chromas> dumb
[02:55:59] <chromas> I'm using µMatrix so that would be blocked by default
[02:56:15] <chromas> it would still probably show the overlay but get stuck on loading the video
[02:56:46] <progo> but what if you saw the headline and said "yeah I want to see that?"
[02:57:05] <chromas> µBlock Origin's super dooper advanced mode is supposed to replace µMatrix but it's ugly, awkward and retarded in comparison
[02:57:31] <chromas> Then I go look at the matrix and try to figure out what I have to allow to get it to work, reloading the page over and over :D
[02:57:34] <progo> for ad blocking I just use Brave's built-in ad blocker. works well enough
[02:57:55] <progo> but Brave's content blocker doesn't target things the producer made (not from an ad CDN), generally
[02:58:30] <mrpg> Me, ublock origin, add and forget.
[02:59:21] <progo> my best friend has sequestered herself in a "javascript off by default" ghetto. if you send her a wikipedia link she reads it in lynx I think
[02:59:56] <progo> she will whitelist sites for javascript, like my SeaFile instance if she wants to share an anime clip (which is often)
[03:00:36] <chromas> this is the only correct way to read wikipedia https://repo.or.cz
[03:00:37] <systemd> ^ 03Public Git Hosting - fuse-mediawiki.git/summary
[03:00:58] <progo> there's also the Kiwix project
[03:01:18] <progo> they turned a lot of sites (mediawiki and otherwise) into tight single file databases, and you can get those plus their viewer
[03:01:29] <progo> wikipedia with small images and no discussion is like 120GB
[03:01:39] <chromas> I used to download the wikipedia DB dumps so I could read them offline
[03:01:49] <progo> gotta install that on my main laptop and on my phone (for looking stuff up while riding the train)
[03:03:07] <progo> one of my phones is less than 5 years old and has a chicklet keyboard AND a microsd slot!
[03:03:21] <chromas> you are fake news!
[03:04:02] <chromas> whatever happened to the inflatable bubble screen from years ago?
[03:04:11] <progo> eh?
[03:04:40] <chromas> it was an overlay with a bunch of cells that could be inflated to make little buttons or other protrusions on the screen
[03:05:06] <chromas> it was on slashdot a hundred years ago but I guess it never took off
[03:05:26] <progo> huh
[03:05:28] <progo> I missed that one
[03:05:28] <chromas> so like if you open your keyboard, then each key would get a little bump so you could feel the keys
[03:05:57] <chromas> then they'd disappear with the keyboard
[03:06:18] <progo> my main phone: https://www.unihertz.com . map / ebook / fediverse / reading too late in bed phone: a used pixel 5A
[03:06:22] <systemd> ^ 03Titan Pocket - The New QWERTY Android 11 Smartphone
[03:06:46] <progo> if you have any blog posts or videos I'm interested chromas
[03:07:29] <progo> I installed VS Code on the Pixel 5A. works cromulently
[03:07:39] <progo> didn't actually use it for any projects though
[03:08:03] <progo> (my concept was put all my projects on the Pixel 5A and use whatever laptop is handy as a terminal)
[03:09:01] <chromas> a more recent one https://www.engadget.com
[03:09:02] <systemd> ^ 03This OLED screen can fill with liquid to form tactile buttons
[03:09:14] <chromas> they link to one from 2015
[03:09:18] <progo> huh
[03:09:23] <progo> I missed that whole concept every time
[03:09:31] <chromas> maybe it's less not new than I thought
[03:09:39] <progo> kinda looks like a shitty Speccy
[03:10:08] <chromas> https://www.engadget.com
[03:10:09] <systemd> ^ 03Tactus Technology prototype Android tablet shows off shapeshifting screen at SID 2012 (video)
[03:10:31] <chromas> on that page I get no auto-play video; just a placeholder with a link
[03:10:33] <progo> there was an old single board 1980s microcomputer that had exposed membrane switches for a keyboard. not the ZX Spectrum. something else
[03:11:01] <progo> oh gods that video chromas. such cringe
[03:11:17] <progo> how long did those plastic blisters last?
[03:12:12] <chromas> hopefully at least as long as the foldable displays
[03:12:48] <progo> call me stupid but suppose you did clicking (with enough low frequency energy to get a kick) when your finger hovers a softkey … wouldn't that cheaper and more reliable?
[03:13:00] <progo> also didn't someone do what I suggested?
[03:13:41] <chromas> not sure. there were a couple blackberries with the display mounted on a button, so you could get hover effects by touching, then you had to press the screen to get an actual click
[03:13:53] <chromas> now they do that with touchpads and it sucks
[03:14:00] <progo> Ars Technica: "my newest foldable phone review unit died in 4 days… also, full review coming soon" -- why bother?!
[03:14:26] <chromas> yeah, he should have said "full review below the fold"
[03:14:41] <progo> oh yeah an old boss of mine had one of those blackberries with a display that was a giant button
[03:15:04] <progo> I'm pretty sure touch screens exist that can sense a real 2D pointing action before you contact the surface
[03:15:10] <chromas> and now the newer blackberries have touch-sensitive buttons, so you have a real keyboard but can swipe your fingers over it like a touchpad
[03:15:25] <progo> I know the iphone has always used its loudspeaker for really loud low-frequency "CLICK!" for when you actually activate a softkey
[03:15:59] <chromas> apple made a big deal out being able to sense your fingers 3dally that a few years ago. don't know if it worked out
[03:16:17] <chromas> androids use the vibrator for haptic feedback
[03:16:34] <progo> now, if the phone clicks when you hover over a softkey -- that's not the SAME as an inflatable blister. I'm just saying the blisters are going to fail
[03:16:38] <progo> or the pump
[03:16:45] <progo> too many fragile pieces
[03:17:40] <chromas> speaking of cringy vids, remember the original MS Surface ad?
[03:17:54] <chromas> and the spoof
[03:18:00] <chromas> =yt microsoft big ass table
[03:18:00] <systemd> https://youtube.com - microsoft bigg ass table. A Microsoft Surface parody (01:49; 20,073 views; 👍224 👎[hidden by butthurt Google employees])
[03:18:04] <progo> I remember seeing the giant Surface table PC at a microsoft office, which was super expensive and no one wanted to buy one
[03:18:32] <progo> oh oh oh, chromas!
[03:18:52] <progo> that fake ad shows exactly what's wrong with every hollywood "wave to point" interface you've ever seen
[03:18:59] <progo> and Apple's Vision Pro idea FIXES it
[03:19:05] <progo> have you seen their promo / pipe dream videos?
[03:19:09] <chromas> no
[03:19:32] <chromas> does it have a layer of LCDs behind it so you can make the background opaque when needed?
[03:19:40] <progo> with Apple Vision, you hold your wrist in a REST POSITION near your hip. you make gestures with your hand and fingers and you're being passively scanned by the computer
[03:19:43] <progo> no tennis elbow
[03:20:07] <chromas> I recall someone made a project like the surface table but with a projector underneath for doing DND maps
[03:20:24] <progo> everything you see in Vision Pro is projected only. it blots out the background outside environment, captures it in the physical realm with a camera array, and mattes it into the UI electronically projected
[03:20:42] <progo> way too expensive, and it's Apple, and that's NEVER for me. but I'm intrigued
[03:21:05] <progo> Jery Ellsworth
[03:21:08] <progo> Jeri
[03:21:28] <progo> she bought it from her ex employer for a second time and finally launched it from her own new company
[03:21:30] <chromas> oh yeah for awhile youtube kept suggesting videos about how the vision pro wouldn't work or something
[03:21:34] <progo> in the past quarter or so
[03:21:41] <progo> I keep forgetting the name of the system
[03:21:53] <chromas> how many Apple Pro wheels does one cost?
[03:22:38] <progo> https://www.tiltfive.com you can actually buy the retroreflective screen system now
[03:22:39] <systemd> ^ 03Tilt Five | Reinventing Game Night
[03:22:48] <progo> it's expensive, but looks compelling if you've got the money
[03:23:03] <progo> they have some games and they're pushing hard to get more people to develop for it
[03:23:24] <progo> it's less expensive than the Apple monster
[03:23:28] <progo> different use-case
[03:24:44] <progo> projector isn't "under" the table but this is probably what you were thinking of
[03:24:53] <chromas> nah it was some guy
[03:25:03] <progo> you get two 2D projectors mounted on your glasses. they throw an image onto the shared retroreflective display
[03:25:08] <chromas> and now I'm thinking the projector was on the ceiling
[03:25:11] <progo> everyone sees their two eye images, and no one else's
[03:25:20] <progo> okay
[03:25:34] <chromas> it was just a flat projection; no retroreflectors
[03:25:37] <progo> well Tilt Five is cool looking, expensive, cheaper than Apple Vision, and you can buy it now
[03:26:09] <progo> you can play with players in the same room, or across the network
[03:26:18] <chromas> now all I need is some friends
[03:26:24] <progo> or a good AI
[03:26:58] <progo> I'd be interested to see if anyone uses Tilt Five for hacking data
[03:27:09] <progo> viewing and manipulating data during a research process
[03:27:39] <chromas> waving their arms around to swipe photos from one side to the other?
[03:27:49] <progo> Tilt Five has a conductor's wand
[03:27:52] <progo> with a trigger button
[03:28:17] <progo> the end of the wand is the pointy part
[03:28:27] <progo> less stress to point precisely with your hand and wrist that way
[03:28:43] <progo> but the Apple idea of just passively scanning your hand resting on your hip is fascinating
[03:29:55] <progo> looks like tilt five is kinda low-res https://www.tiltfive.com
[03:29:57] <systemd> ^ 03The System | Tilt Five ( https://www.tiltfive.com )
[03:30:09] <chromas> use your apple watch as a pointing device
[03:30:13] <progo> if you're crunching data with a 3D display, you probably want a 40 inch 6k display and head tracking
[03:30:37] <chromas> may as well go with a vr headset
[03:30:51] <progo> with today's tech that'll give you a neck ache in 80 minutes
[03:30:56] <progo> (so I've heard)
[03:31:08] <chromas> then I can have windows floating around and turn my head to find more windows, then bonk into the wall because I can't see where I'm walking
[03:31:17] <progo> watch Austin McConnel use a VR headset app to learn to paint
[03:31:26] <progo> "I'm SO INCREDIBLY TIRED!"
[03:31:53] <chromas> the turtle?
[03:32:22] <chromas> ah, youtube
[03:32:25] <progo> https://www.youtube.com
[03:32:28] <systemd> ^ 03i tried to paint the mona lisa in a day.
[03:32:58] <Bytram> kolie: MrPressGang-kolie: WTF? Something same up and I had to go to the doctor to get something checked out (looks like I am OK) ... I was not worried because I had issued /join #meeting ... but now when I get back and check on what happened while I away... (1) I was no longer on #meeting (2) when I tried to /join #meeting I got the message!!!
[03:33:31] <progo> there's a public log
[03:33:39] <Bytram> "* Cannot join #meeting (You are banned)."
[03:33:51] <progo> someone closed the channel and kicked everyone
[03:34:12] <chromas> yeah closing channel makes it auto-ban anyone who tries to come inside
[03:34:25] <chromas> that's all you can do to close a channel really
[03:34:25] <Bytram> who? why?
[03:34:39] <chromas> kolie, because the meating was done
[03:34:51] <progo> everything that was said is in two links here https://soylentnews.org
[03:34:52] <systemd> ^ 03Notes for the Community from the July 31, 2023 SoylentNews PBC Meeting - SoylentNews
[03:35:00] <Bytram> where's the log?
[03:35:01] <progo> first paragraph
[03:35:04] <chromas> MrPressGang-kolie (kolie) CLOSE:ON: #meeting (reason: Meeting adjourned. Please see #soylent or #governance.)
[03:35:24] <mrpg> bytram: welcome, dont worry we have logs
[03:35:46] <progo> actually those links are broken for me
[03:35:48] <progo> I get junk files
[03:35:49] <chromas> Bytram: you have logs too
[03:35:59] <chromas> you were there until the end
[03:36:21] <progo> oh there we go. third paragraph
[03:36:36] <Bytram> ok, I got that, tx. I don't have a log that I know of.
[03:36:50] <Bytram> mrpg: Hi!!!!!!
[03:37:11] <chromas> in hexchat, unless it doesn't log by default
[03:37:19] <chromas> you should still be able to scroll the window
[03:37:23] <mrpg> progo: blame the browser, check the clear text links
[03:37:48] * progo blames Musk
[03:37:53] <mrpg> !blame
[03:38:05] <chromas> oh yeah it made the urls have ##. fpos
[03:38:14] <chromas> rehash vs browsers...fight!
[03:39:00] <mrpg> #Meeting:
[03:39:00] <mrpg> https://logs.sylnt.us
[03:39:01] <mrpg> #Meeting-discuss:
[03:39:01] <systemd> ^ 03#meeting | Logs for 2023-07-31
[03:39:01] <mrpg> https://logs.sylnt.us
[03:39:02] <systemd> ^ 03#meeting-discuss | Logs for 2023-07-31
[03:39:10] <progo> (slashcode vs browsers: in 2023 I've seen Slashdot editors post mojibake because the submit form accepts 8-bit characters but doesn't tell you only ASCII works)
[03:39:30] <Bytram> when it closed, and I started HexChat, I had no longer had an open log :(
[03:39:36] <chromas> that's the one thing we did to improve the slash code :D
[03:39:48] <chromas> /query #meeting
[03:40:03] <progo> The Lounge IRC client (split client and server setup) claims to show you scrollback even after you restart the Lounge proxy… actually it does not
[03:40:23] <progo> if you wanna see in The Lounge you need to spelunk in files in the /var/log folder
[03:40:55] <progo> workaround: I mostly adopt the attitude that IRC is ephemeral
[03:41:14] <chromas> technically it is. any logs are client-made
[03:41:34] <progo> yeah, but the software claims to let you see the logs, and then fails after a proxy restart :^(
[03:41:39] <progo> borked client side state
[03:42:21] <Bytram> what is the dir that stored histocical logs?
[03:42:39] * Bytram is so tired
[03:42:42] <progo> me? depends on the package you used for The Lounge
[03:42:55] <chromas> he's using hexchat
[03:42:55] <progo> I'm using the .deb build and logs are in /var/log/thelounge I think
[03:42:58] <progo> in sqlite or text format
[03:43:09] <progo> oh sorry missed the context
[03:43:16] <Bytram> I meant on the site.
[03:43:46] <chromas> the Loggie logs? I don't remember where they're stored
[03:44:14] <Bytram> that sounfs right
[03:45:13] * Bytram Really appreciate the help!
[03:46:18] <chromas> I could go ssh in and look, but you know
[03:46:40] <chromas> you can still look at them with mrpg's links though
[03:47:15] <mrpg> bytram: https://logs.sylnt.us and https://logs.sylnt.us
[03:47:16] <systemd> ^ 03#meeting | Logs for 2023-07-31
[03:47:17] <systemd> ^ 03#meeting-discuss | Logs for 2023-07-31
[03:47:19] <Bytram> Ohhh! I missed where mrpg posted links to the URL
[03:47:35] <Bytram> mrpg++
[03:48:03] <Bytram> what?!
[03:48:37] <Bytram> poutine--
[03:49:26] <mrpg> That's French for Putin.
[03:50:30] <Bytram> where did THAT go? Those logs have been there forever!!
[03:51:38] <Bytram> mrpg: yes, I am aware. that was a favorite "typing exercise"
[03:52:14] <mrpg> I don't follow, you found the logs?
[03:52:25] <Bytram> last I recall, he was at about -400
[03:52:48] <Bytram> yes! TYVM!!
[03:53:53] <mrpg> Welcome friend dont mention it
[03:55:17] <Bytram> poutine was a user/troll from the early days of the site... for a long while it was popular to type: poitine--
[03:56:33] * mrpg nods
[03:58:25] <chromas> the grand ol' days of trolling. now we're just stuck with ari
[03:58:39] <progo> should we hire more?
[03:59:35] <chromas> We'll probably need a board meating to hold an erection
[04:01:33] <mrpg> Trolls should be interns till they are evaluated by the community.
[04:01:42] <mrpg> unpaid interns
[04:02:13] <Bytram> MrPressGang-Kolie So where did all that do? That information was *irreplaceable*!
[04:02:39] <Bytram> MrPressGang-Kolie see ^^^
[04:03:32] <chromas> it's still in the Loggie logs
[04:03:39] <chromas> and your hexchat log if it's turned on
[04:04:02] <chromas> if you do /query #meeting it should show up
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[05:44:25] <aristarchus> Today, was a good day. There may come a day, when the strength of soylentils fail, but this is not this day! We may fail on the administration side, we may fail on the Editorial side, we may fail on the Freeze Peach side, but this, is not, that day. Fucking trolls.
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[06:43:19] <aristarchus68> Holy Welk! Aristarchus68? Does that mean that there are 67 attempts to sockpuppet me before this?
[06:45:08] <aristarchus68> And thanks to kolie for the fake +v, smoked out a bunch of censorist bastards.
[06:46:16] <aristarchus> You are not the same aristarchus as I am, but then, no one is.
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[07:04:36] <aristarchus> Only now, at the End, do you realize the power of the community. And not the "community" that janrinok purports to represent. Without the ACs, a vote means nothing. We have seen this before.
[07:05:19] <aristarchus> And kolie never wants to talk to me. I wonder why.
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[08:29:29] <aristarchus32> Going down, down to Cisco, gonna party down. Join me, soylentils!
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[08:31:44] <janrinok> so you think....
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[10:04:36] <chromas> lol, he comes in with the same ip and says it's a different guy
[10:05:07] <janrinok> I told you he is not very bright....
[10:08:29] <chromas> He always finds a new way to not surprise me
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[16:59:18] <MrPressGang-kolie> Because you come on when I'm sleeping lol.
[17:00:28] <Freeman> Uh, just my two cents 'cause I wasn't around for most of the meeting.
[17:00:39] <Freeman> Make the committee an odd number of people.
[17:00:50] <Freeman> No need to set yourself up for stalemates.
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[17:20:45] <MrPressGang-kolie> You had the opportunity to ask questions in -discuss and have them go in meeting aristarchus - you chose not to submit a question - so we answered none.
[17:21:16] <MrPressGang-kolie> A +m channel for following roberts rules is hardly censorship when there is a venue for submitting inquiry.
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[19:06:11] <Bytram> MrPressGang-kolie: I am ~ 1/2 way thru reading the log for: #meeting before I lose the thoughts... (1) It would make much more sense for YOU to submit the #meeting summary to the editors, covering any points you believe important and THEN leave it to them to do what they do best: edit the submission! (2) I have done a /join #governance and I would like that to stay "sticky" so I don't have to /join again if, for example, I reboot my PC.
[19:06:11] <Bytram> Can you please do that for me?
[19:06:54] * Bytram goes back to his reading
[20:20:33] <kolie> bi cant make it so you auto join a channel
[20:20:39] <kolie> thats up to your client
[20:27:13] <kolie> And the meeting was already summarized so we are all good there.
[20:34:49] <Bytram> kolie: Hi! Umm #governance has already closed?
[20:35:25] <kolie> No you are in it.
[20:37:07] <Bytram> I am weak on IRC stuff; I use HexChat and I want to stay connected between reboots but I don't know how :(
[20:38:02] <kolie> I think you are fine as long as you don't leave it.
[20:39:05] <Bytram> let me try a test...
[20:43:20] <Bytram> Yes! It worked; thank you!
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