#soylent | Logs for 2021-01-26
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[00:07:56] <FatPhil> footage of seagulls on the English coast stealing unsuspecting holiday-makers' fish and chips is hilarious.
[00:08:05] <FatPhil> hmmmm, now I want fish and chips
[00:13:11] <Bytram> YIKES!
[00:15:15] * Bytram just fired up HexChat... I have TWO trees of the *same* connections! SoylentNews w/18 channels below it and then another SoylentNews with another copy of 18 channels below IT!
[00:24:35] <Runaway1956> Snot a big deal - Hexchat doesn't use a lot of memory.
[00:25:49] <Runaway1956> Hmmmm - 408 meg might be a lot on your laptop though.
[00:26:28] <Bytram> I am on a pretty tight (bandwidth limited) connection... the LAST thing I need is for it to be sending and receiving two copies of EVERYTHING! Esp since I have /JOINed both #rss-bot and #rss-botc
[00:27:04] <Runaway1956> Ouch. I often forget that some people have to budget their bandwidth.
[00:27:38] <Bytram> I get 15 GB per month atm
[00:27:55] <Runaway1956> How much memory you use in 18 channels? I'm only on 9 channels, in three networks
[00:28:13] <Bytram> how to tell?
[00:28:41] <Runaway1956> I use HTOP, click on the "command" column, scroll down to find the command I'm interested in
[00:28:54] <Bytram> even better -- How to make the dupe copy go away? BTW, I'm going thr ZNC
[00:29:17] <Runaway1956> right-click on the domain, and close it
[00:29:19] <Bytram> and that would be?
[00:29:59] <Runaway1956> That would be hexchat, unless htop gives you the path before the command
[00:30:17] <Runaway1956> Oh - domain, you mean?
[00:30:26] <Bytram> try again, which *command* would I select?
[00:30:52] <Runaway1956> in an open terminal, just type htop
[00:30:57] <Runaway1956> or top
[00:31:08] <Runaway1956> I use htop more than top, but they do about the same
[00:31:42] <Bytram> >>>> <Runaway1956> I use HTOP, click on the "command" column, scroll down to find the command I'm interested in
[00:31:46] <Bytram> which command?
[00:32:07] <Runaway1956> In my case, it has three separate lines that all say "hexchat"
[00:32:57] <Runaway1956> Huh - I tried to copy a line, but CTRL-C just closed htop
[00:33:32] * Bytram does not have htop installed -- there should just be a sinmple command I can issue to get how much memory hexchat is using, directly?
[00:33:41] <Runaway1956> actually, in the command column, it says "hexchat --existing
[00:34:00] <Runaway1956> Unsure of that - I'd have to find documentation
[00:35:20] <Bytram> back to hexchat, If I close #soylent, I could see it closing BOTH trees and then I'd have no connections at all!
[00:35:45] <Runaway1956> That doesn't happen for me - it will only close the one tree
[00:36:06] <Runaway1956> Different distros might do different things, but I don't think so
[00:36:18] * Bytram crosses toes and fingers
[00:36:54] <Bytram> looks like it did the right thing... whew! Now back to one tree!
[00:37:00] <Runaway1956> cool
[00:37:15] <Bytram> But, of course, the next question is how did it get that way in the first place?
[00:37:55] <Runaway1956> Usually, when I find myself connected more than once, is because first connection died, and I've asked it to reconnect
[00:38:09] <Runaway1956> Not sure how or why it happens, I just know it happens
[00:38:42] <Runaway1956> However, usually, the first connection is dead, and doesn't want to revive
[00:38:58] <Bytram> maybe I accidentally clicked/typed something when the connection list is first displayed on hexchat startup?
[00:38:59] <Runaway1956> I'm seeing that more frequently now that I'm using a bouncer
[00:39:42] <Runaway1956> That is entirely possible - if you have auto-connect, but the network list pops up, you might click "connect" and get a second connection
[00:39:48] * Bytram has never understood why it's called a bouncer -- it's a queue with a time delay!
[00:40:12] <Runaway1956> Someone named it after their pet dog? Or, youngest child?
[00:40:30] <Bytram> to me, a bouncer would be some kind of stack
[00:40:37] -!- AzumaHazuki [AzumaHazuki!~hazuki@the.end.of.time] has joined #soylent
[00:41:07] <Runaway1956> it stacks up messages in a queue, and bounced them to you when you connect?
[00:41:18] * Runaway1956 gives up
[00:41:30] <Bytram> Runaway1956++ thanks for helping me de-dupe my HexChat server trees!
[00:41:30] <Bender> karma - runaway1956: 25
[00:41:46] <Runaway1956> np anytime I can help
[00:42:35] <Bytram> name was probablt created by a self-taught coder who has no formal comp sci training as to the various data structures and their formal names.
[00:42:52] * Bytram guesse
[00:43:02] * Bytram guesses
[00:43:08] <Runaway1956> That might have been me if I ever taught myself coding.
[00:43:10] <chromas> you can bounce your pc and not lose your ircs
[00:43:43] <Runaway1956> you can bounce your systemd and not lose your ircs too
[00:43:45] <chromas> you get knocked down, but you get up again, they're never gonna lose your chat!
[00:43:55] <Bytram> speak for yourself -- I do not think ny PC would bounce very well off the floor, even if it is a laptop!
[00:44:19] <chromas> don't try it 'til you've knocked it
[00:44:42] <Runaway1956> #smake chromas for a bad joke
[00:44:42] * MrPlow smakes chromas for a bad joke upside the head with a glove slap
[00:45:00] <chromas> =yt glove slap
[00:45:01] <systemd> https://youtube.com - The Simpsons S11E05 E-I-E-I- D'oh - Glove Slap (03:18; 730,791 views; 👍3,783 👎130)
[00:45:56] <Bytram> time to make the dinner... biab
[00:46:10] <Runaway1956> Don't worry about dinner, I already ate it.
[00:55:29] * Bytram is glad he still has some ham stew left from when he made 4 gallons of it 2 weekends ago
[01:01:03] <AzumaHazuki> christ...i'm going to be doing 3 overtime shifts this week, just did one, have 2 in a row thurs/fri
[01:01:27] <Runaway1956> You're 30 years old, give or take a decade?
[01:01:37] <Runaway1956> Should be no problems
[01:02:25] <chromas> need one of those 80+ hours tee shirts
[01:02:33] <chromas> and go work for Apple
[01:03:09] * Runaway1956 remembers when 6 12s started feeling bad after the 4th week
[01:03:27] <Runaway1956> 7 10s about as bad
[01:04:16] <Runaway1956> and before that, port and starboard watches in the Navy
[01:05:02] <AzumaHazuki> fuck that noise. i work to live, not live to work
[01:06:12] <Runaway1956> This is why you take jobs that you like - so you can live with yourself in those wee hours of the morning when you're all alone with your work
[01:07:08] <Runaway1956> That, plus, when you've done 30 hours straight, you can look around at all the normies, and know that you are superior
[01:11:37] * Bytram once worked 94+ hours in a week -- worked all-nighters every other night for a whole week.
[01:12:00] <Bytram> 54+ hours of overtime pay was a nice bonus
[01:12:07] <AzumaHazuki> not worth it. and this body seems to need 7 hours of sleep a night to function. plus a lot of caffeine.
[01:13:37] <Bytram> then again, I was in my early 20s at the time, so that might have had something to do with it
[01:13:59] <AzumaHazuki> if they'd just trained me properly to begin with this wouldn't be necessary -.- Apparently I'm faster than I thought at making IV meds, but slow to get everything set up
[01:14:04] <Runaway1956> There is also the old joke, which wasn't really a joke:
[01:14:20] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, excuse me for making sure everything is wiped down and i'm not shadowing anything critical
[01:14:21] <Runaway1956> work all day drink all night get a shot of leg and go back to work for days at a time
[01:14:54] <Runaway1956> ahhhh, the days of lechery
[01:15:31] <Runaway1956> Or, was that debauchery? It's hard to remember now . . .
[01:16:08] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: I'm with you, I'll set things up *right* and then blast through getting it done -- more like an optimizing compiler; othrs seem to be more like interpreters
[01:16:28] <AzumaHazuki> day shift seems to just not give a shit
[01:17:03] <Runaway1956> Day shift always has all the prima donnas - it doesn't matter what your occupation
[01:17:16] <Bytram> you mean they're... constipated?
[01:18:01] <AzumaHazuki> no, i mean they keep breaking sterility and doing things half-assed
[01:18:10] <AzumaHazuki> i am really surprised there aren't more cases of blood poisoning
[01:18:11] <Runaway1956> whoosh
[01:21:52] <Runaway1956> AC submission: Spanish woman who 'died' of COVID returned 10 days later-newspaper
[01:22:03] <Runaway1956> I don't think I'd put my name on that one either.
[01:22:41] <Runaway1956> https://news.trust.org
[01:22:46] <systemd> ^ 03Spanish woman who 'died' of COVID returned 10 days later-newspaper
[01:23:30] <Runaway1956> I think that's why hospitals tag you with a barcode before admission
[01:24:42] <AzumaHazuki> LOL https://www.nytimes.com my, how the worms turn
[01:24:43] <systemd> ^ 03‘A Total Failure’: The Proud Boys Now Mock Trump
[01:24:54] <AzumaHazuki> i mean they're not wrong about this but wow.
[01:26:37] <Runaway1956> Well, that's the thing about undying loyalty - everyone dies, or something
[01:35:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, i'm tellin ya, wienermobile.
[01:35:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit https://www.phoronix.com
[01:35:37] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[01:36:02] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[01:42:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit https://www.rt.com
[01:42:04] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[01:42:29] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[01:45:27] <Bytram> dunno while I feel so knackered today. Had a good 3hr nap and now, after just having had dinner, feel like I could still lay down for a full night's sleep. :/
[02:07:19] <Deucalion> Lots of carbs with dinner will do that. Postprandial reaction to on-boarding food. Perfectly normal. If it is persistent you may be encountering Postprandial hypotension whereby blood pressure drops off severely. If just feeling dozy, that's OK. Hypotension can leave you dizzy or collapsing to the floor when trying to stand after eating. Seek medical advice if the latter starts to occur.
[02:16:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Experts Call for More Pragmatic Approach to Higher Education Teaching - https://sylnt.us - we've-always-done-it-this-way
[02:20:24] <Runaway1956> Well, yeah, TMB - with the COVIDS a lot of hackers are sitting around bored, and testing all those Apache projects.
[02:21:10] <Runaway1956> Which reminds me - - - I gave myself a present and forgot to unwrap it.
[02:26:56] <Runaway1956> https://livecd.hacking-lab.com
[02:26:57] <systemd> ^ 03Hacking-Lab LiveCD
[02:28:06] <Runaway1956> https://github.com
[02:28:07] <systemd> ^ 03Hacking-Lab/hl-livecd
[02:30:57] <Runaway1956> Huh - thirteen minutes remaining to import the new virtual machine . . .
[02:32:00] -!- AzumaHazuki has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[02:34:31] <Deucalion> Rut roh....
[02:34:59] * Deucalion hides behind 7 proxies and 12 firewalls all configured the same way.... phew
[02:39:48] <Runaway1956> lol
[03:01:09] <Bytram> Deucalion: thanks for that. A couple decades ago had an episode of orthostatic hypotension which resulted in a fall, head injury, ambulance ride to hospital, and ~15 stiches in the back of my head.
[03:08:49] <Deucalion> Bytram, the human internals - a mystery contained within an enigma to most of us. That's just the physical side of it, which is largely documented but horrifically complex. Bring in the influences of the mind, sentience, emotion and the chaotic effects that has on the physical body - yup... we're pretty much still at the "I have a theory" point..
[03:10:35] <Deucalion> Oookay... we kinda get how hormone pathways work and are triggered from different regions of the brain... but again that's physical layer... it's the how not the why. :D
[03:10:55] <Bytram> yes, and I'm getting older, too, though I doubt that has *anything* to do with it at all ;^)
[03:11:39] <Bytram> https://youtu.be
[03:11:41] <systemd> ^ 03The Escherian Stairwell: Building a Modern Myth ( https://www.youtube.com )
[03:15:15] <Deucalion> Exactly my point. What if you have been societally conditioned to believe that you slow down as you get older? That's just the norm right? Yes it is the societal norm. Is it actually a biological norm? Is your belief in this norm in your headware actually influencing your physicality?
[03:19:03] <Deucalion> These are all hypothetical BS questions of course. Physically we wear out eventually as our telomeres get exhausted. But do we have any agency over this?
[03:23:01] <Deucalion> All ripe for study and all being studied. Bear in mind our human societal world would disintegrate in a couple of decades if someone came out with "this one thing, you live for ever" type remedy to stave off death.
[03:25:32] <Deucalion> Actually that'd be ghastly, suddenly no-one dies, the birth rate stays the same, population explosion. Global dictat, no more breeding except to replace those lost to physical accident demise. Static population, all ageing, forever. Eventually you'd have no-one new to meet, progress would enter stasis.
[03:26:20] <Deucalion> Wow, sure makes me glad I'm not human. :D
[03:33:47] <Bytram> or... glad you are not "Q" (from ST:NG)
[03:35:13] <Deucalion> Sorry, I have to hand in my card - no idea on ST related lore. :/
[03:37:00] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[03:37:01] <systemd> ^ 03Escherian Stairwell Deconstruction
[03:46:26] <Bytram> =w star trek next generation "Q"
[03:46:27] <systemd> Star Trek: The Next Generation (TNG) is an American science fiction television series created by Gene Roddenberry. It originally aired from September 28 - https://en.wikipedia.org
[03:51:41] <Bytram> Deucalion: here ya go, in case you saw any episodes with "Q" in it, this should jog your memory: https://en.wikipedia.org(Star_Trek)
[03:51:42] <systemd> ^ 03Q (Star Trek) - Wikipedia
[03:54:09] * Deucalion is aware what ST:NG is, just I never got into ST in general. Dipped in an episode occasionally but it never grabbed me. Nothing good or bad to say about ST in its various generations at all, my opinion is NULL, I have no experience to form one.
[03:57:16] <Deucalion> I know - that probably sounds weird in this age where we are all supposed to hold strong opinions on absolutely everything and impose them on everyone in earshot at every opportunity. I hold to my doctrine of - I have no opinion on this ~thing~ rather than pick a "side" because we all need to be on one side or another.
[04:05:17] <chromas> oh but by not picking a side, you're doing nothing, which is all that is necessary to let evil prevail! why do you love evil?
[04:06:06] <Bytram> np! Was an avid follower of ST:TOS, was a teen at the time and science, NASA, etc. was totally awesome. Then came ST:TNG, which took a while to warm up to, but I watched it when I could. Somehow never got into DS9, or Enterprise(?) or any other "Trek" stuff. May come from lack of spare time or just that it no longer "worked" for me like it used to, or did not find the stories that interesting, or.. or a combination. Don't know and
[04:06:06] <Bytram> don't entirely care that much at this point. I'd happy for the experiences I had, the things I learned, and that's good enough for me, for now. Who knows, that might change with time!
[04:14:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> Deucalion, probably just as well. ST is pants compared to Dr. Who.
[04:15:05] * TheMightyBuzzard baits the flames
[04:21:11] * Bytram looks at the bait, takes a sniff, and unceremoniously casts it aside.
[04:21:15] <Deucalion> chromas, I'm surprised you didn't just copy pasta the worn "All it takes for evil to prevail... " quote, at least you took the time to re-phrase it. We're talking about Star Trek, having a null opinion on fiction on TV is not tantamount to dereliction of duty in other spheres of life, politics, society. i.e. some shit's worth having an opinion about, do that. Choose to get into heated arguments about the rest if you so desire. No-one cares or wan
[04:21:15] <Deucalion> hear anyone else's opinion.
[04:22:23] <chromas> you need to tweak your irc client to split your long messages
[04:22:33] <chromas> "[....]No-one cares or wan"
[04:22:43] * Deucalion hears a LOUD WOOOMPH - the speakers announce "Player TMB entered the fray"
[04:22:55] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: dr who sucks now
[04:23:00] * Bytram decides to tweak his attention..... by heading to bed
[04:23:13] <Bytram> have a great night everybody!
[04:23:21] <chromas> no
[04:23:26] * chromas is all set to argue with everyone
[04:24:09] <Deucalion> chromas, you need a better client. My client shows it continued as a new comment.
[04:24:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, citation needed. no, really, haven't watched it since the scottish feller left.
[04:25:39] <Bytram> mine did, too. but seems to have lost something along the way... last words were:
[04:25:46] <Bytram> ===> " No-one cares or wan hear anyone else's opinion."
[04:26:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> there was like a long gap after him and i got distracted by other shit. never got around to watching Doctor Who, Medicine Woman
[04:26:25] <Bytram> Deucalion: ^^^
[04:27:05] <chromas> Deucalion: the server truncates your messages
[04:27:13] <Deucalion> Shall we do EMACS vs vi or Hexchat vs Quassel next? Hell let's just do MS vs Apple so everyone can get angry, rage ineffectually at clouds and go to better having vented.
[04:27:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, Deucalion, mine just replaced all the letters with poop emojis. thankfully i am well versed in more than 52 varieties of poop, so i can still read it.
[04:27:59] <Deucalion> Heh... I stand corrected
[04:28:01] <chromas> notepad++ vs notepadqq
[04:28:01] <Bender> karma - notepad: 3
[04:28:28] <chromas> well probably your client splits at a longer message length than this server truncates at
[04:28:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> well, we are pretty old. seems a waste to neglect the 800lb systemd in the corner though
[04:28:34] <chromas> the solution of course is to adjust the server :D
[04:29:07] <Bytram> Deucalion: just thought you might like to know that what you typed may not end up being what we saw... or was there a typo that's throwing us off? "No-one cares or wan hear anyone else's opinion."
[04:29:08] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: dr who is social justice all the way down now
[04:29:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> ah, good. i don't feel bad about slacking off then.
[04:29:49] <Deucalion> It seems Bytram got the whole message.... <Bytram> ===> " No-one cares or wan hear anyone else's opinion." That was the message end I typed. So not server.
[04:30:25] <chromas> well I never expected you to be so imperect while typing out a message on the internet
[04:30:58] <Deucalion> I
[04:31:00] <Bytram> Deucalion: seems like you may have *intended* "No-one cares or wan[ts to] hear anyone else's opinion."
[04:31:00] <Deucalion> will
[04:31:11] <Deucalion> be sure
[04:31:13] <Deucalion> to
[04:31:16] <Deucalion> type
[04:31:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> Deucalion, the server splits overly long messages. https://logs.sylnt.us
[04:31:22] <Deucalion> in small
[04:31:22] <systemd> ^ 03#soylent | Logs for 2021-01-26
[04:31:24] <Deucalion> bytes
[04:31:27] <Deucalion> in
[04:31:30] <Deucalion> future
[04:31:32] <chromas> bewbs
[04:31:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> bewbs++
[04:31:39] <Bender> karma - bewbs: 69
[04:31:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> woot!
[04:31:45] -!- Bytram [Bytram!~Bytram@Soylent/Staff/Developer/martyb] has parted #soylent
[04:31:46] <chromas> lock that in
[04:32:01] -!- Bytram [Bytram!~Bytram@Soylent/Staff/Developer/martyb] has joined #soylent
[04:32:01] -!- mode/#soylent [+v Bytram] by Aphrodite
[04:32:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> Deucalion, it's your problem regardless though. either it's your client config or your ircd config =P
[04:33:03] <Deucalion> TheMightyBuzzard, as I said - I stand corrected.
[04:33:04] <chromas> looks like his hexchat is splitting correctly but a typo just happened in the right spot to confuse me :)
[04:33:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> =blame
[04:33:26] * systemd points at Bytram
[04:35:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> see, a real admin would either A) change the server's max message length to accommodate himself or B) change it to 80 characters for great optimization
[04:35:34] <Deucalion> Let's form a committee to define what the ircd permitted message length should be. We need to consider the default message length of all clients and intermediary bouncers and proxies ever released. I say we go with 16bytes.
[04:36:08] <chromas> 420 bytes
[04:36:35] -!- mode/#soylent [-o chromas] by Deucalion
[04:36:43] <Deucalion> :P
[04:36:52] <chromas> when did I even get +o?
[04:37:03] -!- mode/#soylent [-v chromas] by Deucalion
[04:37:08] <Deucalion> Fine
[04:37:22] -!- mode/#soylent [+o chromas] by Deucalion
[04:37:23] <Aphrodite> bewbs++
[04:37:23] <Bender> karma - bewbs: 70
[04:38:00] -!- mode/#soylent [+q chromas!*@*] by chromas
[04:38:05] <chromas> oh no!
[04:38:21] <chromas> does +q even work with +o?
[04:38:22] <Deucalion> Fascist!
[04:38:41] -!- mode/#soylent [-q chromas!*@*] by chromas
[04:39:09] <chromas> /mode +💩 chromas
[04:41:08] <Deucalion> The masking of permissions gets very messed up when you have both ircop and services op.
[04:43:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> no worries, only a few more years and we won't need masks anymore and we'll have permission to go without
[04:45:56] <Deucalion> chromas, You could xline or kline yourself to see if that works.... be sure to set the [length] parameter though...
[04:46:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> length doesn't matter, it's girth
[04:46:42] <Deucalion> Talk to EF about that - he needed and extendo
[04:47:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, he should lie more so he can become a real boy
[04:48:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Physicists Succeed in Filming Phase Transition with Extremely High Spatial and Temporal Resolution - https://sylnt.us
[04:48:33] <Deucalion> Nah, just needs a diesel with overly big injectors, shortcut to being a man
[04:58:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's just a clever distraction to cover for them needing extenders themselves. real men accessorize their truck with a tool bed. with tools in it. that they use on their job.
[05:00:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha! https://www.rt.com
[05:01:01] <systemd> ^ 03Long overdue? New service Counterweight provides counsel to those facing social justice-fueled ‘cancellation’
[05:01:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> started by one of the folks from the grievance studies paper we covered a long time ago.
[05:03:43] <chromas> "Confide in us; tell us all your dirty secrets so we can cancel you harder"
[05:04:10] <Deucalion> Or they just put a bunch of tools up in there to look manly in their own perception when they only ever commute to Walmart and back with the significant other. Has a commonality with "real men" that wear hunting knives or firearms on their belts.
[05:06:19] <Deucalion> I'm going to use my 45 to take out a terrorist deer then skin it with my razor sharp knife.... while shopping for groceries.
[05:07:59] <chromas> well yeah, how do you buy your deer at the grocery store? in a box?
[05:23:24] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[05:23:34] <Deucalion> Veal - shrink wrapped out of the fridge. Deer - they only exist here in managed herd places - the herds are culled every year. Know the right people and yes - deer in a box, have deep freezer handy though, it comes butchered but there is a lot of it, offal included;
[05:24:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't bet on any male in TN over the age of five not having a knife on them, even if it's not in a belt sheath. you'll be wrong a lot more often than not.
[05:24:55] <Deucalion> Why though? Do you live under constant fear of attack?
[05:25:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> because they're exceedingly handy things to have.
[05:26:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> i use mine at least once a day on average. probably more like four times average
[05:26:18] <Deucalion> For what?
[05:26:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> things need cutting
[05:26:41] <chromas> defending against UPS boxes for one thing
[05:27:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> boxes, paint buckets, fishing line, whatever
[05:27:14] <chromas> they probably don't have taped boxes and envelopes in the uk
[05:28:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's a tool not a weapon. but like a hammer, it can also be a weapon if needs must.
[05:29:23] <Deucalion> Soo... if they are essential items to be carrying.... why is it only TN men have them strapped permanently to their waist? The woman of the house has to wait for the man to return to open the tape on the box because she is too feeble?
[05:29:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> clarification on paint buckets: 5gal buckets come with plastic lids with a peel off bit that keeps the lid on. but you have to cut it to get started.
[05:29:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, plenty of women carry a knife around here too.
[05:30:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn, i missed a perfectly good women in the kitchen joke
[05:31:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> i used to carry a belt knife because it was easier to get at than one in my pocket. nowadays i have one with a clip that hangs outside my pocket what can be easily pulled out by the clip.
[05:33:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> mind you, i also have a cutlass and a longsword within reach of my chair here that would both have served well in 1066
[05:34:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> well, if i ever get around to putting an edge on the cutlass anyway. it's never had the initial sharpening done.
[05:34:53] <chromas> is it a sierra cutlass?
[05:35:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> more piratical
[05:35:17] <chromas> or cutlass ciera
[05:35:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> C era
[05:36:25] * Deucalion has to suffice with a Victorinox multi tool when out and about. We cannot have fixed blades over 4" or locking blades. You see what happens when you allow regulation of guns? Once they achieve that they come after your knives! Eventually it will be a crime to be in public.
[05:36:42] <Deucalion> No words missed there...
[05:36:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> Deucalion, a man should always be prepared just in case the universe decides he needs to suddenly be in the battle of hastings.
[05:37:29] <Deucalion> I just need to carry one arrow then.
[05:37:30] <chromas> we used to have a Hastings but it was closed a few years ago
[05:38:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> personally, i think that's a really good argument for carrying a semi-automatic .22 rifle and 5000 rounds of ammunition. pretty sure i could win that battle all on my own with that.
[05:40:31] <chromas> how about a Crocodile Dundee movie set in the uk?
[05:40:43] <chromas> "That's not a knoife!" [police tackle]
[05:41:00] <Deucalion> I'd probably get detained for carrying a bow up the local High Street with no arrow. Charges would probably stick too - some blah about someone was made nervous or inciting the archer apocalypse - that well known terrorist threat.
[05:41:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, cops take a dim view of you walking around with "technically illegal to randomly carry" knives over a certain length. they can't get too picky though because they're very much legal for plenty of things too.
[05:41:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, they took yall's swords away a long time ago then they even took the longbows they forced you to train with. now they're taking the points from your kitchen knives.
[05:42:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> pretty soon you'll literally have no recourse except to fart in their general direction.
[05:43:00] <Deucalion> Hah.... their mother smells of elderberries!
[05:43:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> just so yall know, elderberry wine kicks ass.
[05:44:04] <chromas> How do British action movies work? Do they just punch each other or
[05:44:58] <Deucalion> The only answer is anarchism. Absolute anarchy, imposed immediately, with no warning. It'll go beautifully. This is what many people are saying.
[05:45:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> they're brits, our baysplosions translate to them sending sternly worded letters
[05:45:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> Deucalion, what could possibly go wrong?
[05:46:01] <chromas> well it worked for most of tng
[05:46:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> pffft, they phasered the shit outa stuff and got in a couple wars.
[05:46:33] <chromas> the movies don't count
[05:46:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> was talking the series
[05:46:52] <chromas> I guess I haven't seen them all
[05:47:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean the borg fighting alone was plenty violent
[05:48:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> even voyager, where the ship's shaped vaguely like some sort of marital aid for women and has a chick captain, had lots and lots of killing folks.
[05:48:39] <chromas> was that the one with the cowboy from innerspace as the holographic doctor?
[05:49:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya know, i think yall oughta bring back compulsory longbow practice for all male peasants.
[05:49:50] <Deucalion> We're Brits, you're fine right up until the point you find your head in the way of a door that is getting slammed repeatedly, then I guess you are not fine. There are a couple of tells along the way but generally Brits go from amiable to head in door
[05:49:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, yup. he's a cowboy who's never seen a cow, can't rope a steer cause he don't know how
[05:50:20] <chromas> and we should install gun ranges at the schools; may as well teach the kids how to aim while they're shooting
[05:50:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> just make sure you don't let them take your doors then i guess
[05:51:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, we had them in schools when my dad was in grade school.
[05:51:11] <chromas> depends on the length and retractability of said doors
[05:51:40] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: right and now they they're gone, the kids have to find other targets
[05:52:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> well mostly they know fuck all about proper use and respect of firearms. or anything really.
[05:52:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> but they could punch each other at recess, so shit didn't build up like it does now.
[05:54:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> ok, ima sleep now.
[06:06:02] * Deucalion creates a new IRC command.. /EXHALE ... or maybe /CATHARTIC - this will invoke a parallel existence for the user replicated from their current real place, where they can rant, berate and lose it without losing all social standing. The user may end up exhausted, on the floor, crying. This should take minimal bot intervention, just enough to trigger emotions here and there.
[06:06:31] <Deucalion> shit, wrong channel...
[06:06:36] <Deucalion> :/
[06:06:42] <Deucalion> rm
[06:07:23] <Deucalion> *sudo op rm
[06:07:30] <Deucalion> damn
[06:08:59] <Deucalion> rm -rf * . / ???? GAH
[07:05:50] <chromas> I'm in the wrong business
[07:06:11] <Runaway1956> rm -rf universe
[07:06:13] <chromas> Apparently I could be selling photos of hard-to-find graphics cards for $800 each
[07:07:02] <chromas> Must be money laundering
[07:09:09] <FatPhil> they're not doing the "graphics card, beautiful picture" scam again, are they?
[07:12:54] <chromas> lol, one has a ribbon emoji in the title and says part of the money goes to a charity
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[08:45:36] <c0lo> TMB, violence british style https://www.youtube.com
[08:45:37] <systemd> ^ 03Bonjour
[09:18:31] <FatPhil> c0lo: that's not british style, that's suvven style. watch the whole movie to see the difference between suvven and norven.
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[14:03:18] * Bytram has carried a knife with him nearly every day since his early teens; now I carry two: both Victoriox -- a very small one, but has scissors and a wicked sharp blade, other has a blade and a screwdriver/bottle-opener; both have tweezers and a toothpick.
[14:05:14] <Ingar> mmm now you mention it
[14:05:25] <Ingar> I used to have a swiss army knife in my backpack
[14:06:06] <Ingar> apparently, not any more
[14:06:28] <Bytram> we had riflery available as an after school elective -- got to be a pretty good shot prone, kneeling, and offhand, but sucked at sitting as I was so flexible my knees could spread like 150 degrees.
[14:06:32] <Ingar> I wonder where it went
[14:07:02] <Ingar> Bytram: my dad was thouroughly anti-guns
[14:07:11] <Ingar> never handled a gun
[14:10:27] <Bytram> by my late teens my dad had me VERY well trained in gun safety and I bought my own 12 Gauge shotgun and 30-30 with scope. Would go hunting every fall with my dad... until in a single season, I got a deer and my dad got two with one shot.
[14:12:15] <Bytram> we skinned 'em ourselves and then had 'em butchered. Seeing a beautiful animal and then seeing the other end of the process... stopped hunting shortly after that. No longer have a gun and haven't fired a weapon in decades.
[14:14:00] <requerdanos> Venison tastes great, though
[14:18:02] <Bytram> been so long, hard to remember except it was low-fat and that it did not matter if it came from beef, chicken, bear, or deer - I do NOT like liver!
[14:18:38] <FatPhil> wow, very interesting story, a very interesting path you've followed.
[14:19:16] <requerdanos> if you befriend a meat processor, sometimes he/she will let you know when someone brings a harvested animal for processing, then doesn't pick up said animal, and will sell you the meat for the cost of the butchering work.
[14:20:43] <FatPhil> Being a Brit my view of hunting is some fucked up sport for posh twats. It was only through talking to a keen Minnesotan hunter that I was talked round to there being a "good" way of doing hunting, utterly unrelated to the wankery in the UK.
[14:20:46] <Bytram> FWIW, and IIRC, in my state sale of game meat is prohibited... not sure if your approach would be permitted.
[14:21:09] <requerdanos> ah, the meat is free. the work is what's paid for.
[14:21:28] <requerdanos> due to said law.
[14:21:48] <Bytram> yep, but courts could see it as a distinction without a difference
[14:22:43] <requerdanos> such a decision would in effect say that butchers can't be paid for their work.
[14:23:13] <Fnord666_> It probably varies from state to state as well
[14:23:26] <FatPhil> or they can't work on meat they've not legally bought from an approved source.
[14:23:29] <Bytram> not saying they *would*, and might get a hunter for a judge or prosecutor or cop, so could prolly get away with it, or at least pay a small fine?
[14:24:07] <requerdanos> I am basically just reporting how I got some venison without going hunting. The legal speculation is interesting, but had no direct bearing on the process.
[14:24:08] <Fnord666_> That's why you always pay cash!
[14:24:50] <Bytram> anyway, I do not know such processors, nor do I have a chest freezer (or space for one in a studio apt), for me it's a moot point.
[14:25:21] <Bytram> requerdanos: glad it worked out well for you!
[14:25:29] <Bytram> break time
[14:25:33] <Bytram> afk
[14:25:37] <Fnord666_> coffee++?
[14:25:53] <Bytram> coffee++
[14:25:53] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5469
[14:27:05] <Fnord666_> 👍
[14:39:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[14:39:07] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5470
[14:40:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, yeah, real hunting's what meat eaters do when they don't want to lie to themselves. and aren't too lazy.
[14:42:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you're going to be a carnivore, you need to see something die so you can eat. so you appreciate what you're doing. and often enough that you can't just sweep it under the mental rug.
[14:43:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, good ole bullet-tooth tony
[14:47:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Fusing Two Radars Improves Resolution and Noise Rejection--Better Than Lidar in Self-Driving Cars - https://sylnt.us - synergy
[14:56:18] <FatPhil> TheMightyBuzzard: yup, I very much appreciate that now.
[14:57:03] <FatPhil> Of course, I'm, still a firm believer in the division of labour, purely for practical reasons. But you mustn;t pretend the parts you can't see don't exist.
[14:57:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> i prefer fishing though. more sitting, less walking.
[14:58:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. i don't hunt anymore for two reasons. i'm lazy and i don't enjoy the taste of most wild game. doves and quail are an exception.
[14:59:03] <FatPhil> Certainly the first (and only) killing of a sentient creature with my bare hands was a transformative moment. And it was delicious. Maybe more delicious because I had caught it, I'm not sure.
[14:59:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> rip the breast out, wrap in bacon, fry in butter.
[15:00:15] <FatPhil> One of my favourite clips of Ted poopypants Nugent is of him kneeling next to a freshly felled deer, patting it, and saying "*this* *is* *food*". 100% with him on that.
[15:00:50] <FatPhil> And his hunting was immeasurably more humane than the farming industry.
[15:01:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> honestly the only hunting i could see me still doing would be cow hunting. more meat. better tasting meat. and you don't have to get up at 3am and smell like deer piss.
[15:01:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[15:02:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'not to say i won't kill animals for reasons other than food. turtles in ponds or coyotes just need a good killing. they both make a damned nuisance of themselves if you don't keep their numbers down.
[15:04:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> and poisonous or overly close, unexpected snakes can fuck right off
[15:05:49] <FatPhil> Seagulls will have a field day with an over-filled wheeliebin. That's probably our #1 nuisance.
[15:05:52] <FatPhil> That and tiblas.
[15:11:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> unfortunately folks get narrow minded if you go blasting seagulls from your front porch in a suburb
[15:28:15] <FatPhil> better than sprinking organophosphates everywhere, though, probably.
[15:28:23] <FatPhil> coffee++
[15:28:24] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5471
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[18:45:14] <ptx0> just wanted to let you all know i finally got a job even though it took me a year i'm pretty sure the best thing that i did was to have that BS story removed from the site ~November
[18:50:18] <FatPhil> Fuck the government!!!! ``You don't have permission to access "http://sa.www4.irs.gov/irfof-wmsp/login" on this server.''
[18:50:18] <systemd> ^ 03Access Denied
[18:50:38] <FatPhil> g/f needs some stimmy. Gimme gimme gimme stimmy!
[19:41:42] <Fnord666_> That's awesome news ptx0! Congrats!
[19:46:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Pirate Streamers Save UFC 257 After ESPN+ Collapses Under the Load - https://sylnt.us
[20:22:51] <Bytram> ptx0: Woo Hoo! Congratulations!
[20:39:59] <Runaway1956> Whose IRS server is that fatphil? South Africa?
[20:41:38] <Runaway1956> If you're looking for the US try this site: https://www.irs.gov
[20:41:39] <systemd> ^ 03Home | Internal Revenue Service
[20:45:40] <Runaway1956> $ whois sa.www4.irs.gov
[20:45:40] <Runaway1956> % DOTGOV WHOIS Server ready
[20:45:40] <Runaway1956> No match for "SA.WWW4.IRS.GOV".
[20:45:40] <Runaway1956> >>> Last update of whois database: 2021-01-26T20:45:08Z <<<
[20:45:40] <Runaway1956> Please be advised that this whois server only contains information pertaining
[20:45:41] <Runaway1956> to the .GOV domain. For information for other domains please use the whois
[20:45:42] <Runaway1956> server at RS.INTERNIC.NET.
[22:06:11] <FatPhil> Runaway1956: that was my entry point. https://www.irs.gov - had all the cookies/JS enabled. typed in all the details, and then hit that error. Same on the g/f's machine, that's why she was asking me to try as well.
[22:06:11] <systemd> ^ 03Get My Payment | Internal Revenue Service
[22:07:56] <FatPhil> For some bizarro reason IRS seems to have sent g/f's parents too much. so it's swings and roundabouts.
[22:09:01] <FatPhil> Remember, boys and girls - make sure you buy $GME immediately when your check arrives. Don't miss out!
[22:15:41] * chromas puts The Lighthouse on FatPhil's to watch list
[22:16:04] <FatPhil> that the black and white one with olde worlde English?
[22:16:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Futuristic Sleeping Pods for Homeless People Installed in German City - https://sylnt.us
[22:16:30] <chromas> Willem Defoe and the constipated guy from those vampire movies
[22:16:59] <FatPhil> Yeah - I really thought that was a very interesting movie.
[22:17:19] <FatPhil> not exactly entertaining, but a wonderful piece of cinematographic art.
[22:17:52] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[22:17:55] <systemd> ^ 03Star Wars SC 38 Reimagined
[23:35:13] <Bytram> =g "Tuxonice binary signature file not found"
[23:35:14] <systemd> https://askubuntu.com - hibernate:Warning: Tuxonice binary signature file not found
[23:35:57] <Bytram> =g "Tuxonice binary signature file not found" "Mate""20.04"
[23:35:57] <systemd> https://askubuntu.com - Newest Questions - Page 1681 - Ask Ubuntu
[23:47:47] <FatPhil> Page 1681?!?!?!??
[23:48:04] <FatPhil> I didn't know the internet had that many pages.