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[00:03:52] <juggs> At this rate TMB will be giving EF a patch for use of a double negative.
[00:06:46] <Ethanol-fueled> whats TMB?
[00:06:51] <Ethanol-fueled> Is it like TNB?
[00:10:52] <SpallsHurgenson> https://www.youtube.com
[00:10:53] <NetCraft> ^ 0350 Favorite Firefly Quotes (Reloaded) - YouTube
[00:13:21] <SpallsHurgenson> (although they missed my favorite from episode 2, when Mal kicks a badguy into the jet-turbine of the spaceship. "Darn.")
[00:14:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> "i swear by my pretty floral bonnet, i will end you" <--- best
[00:14:44] <SpallsHurgenson> that one is in there :)
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[00:26:56] <SpallsHurgenson> (god this movie has incredible setpieces)
[00:27:49] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[00:28:09] <Bytram> coffee++
[00:28:09] <Bender> karma - coffee: 934
[00:28:17] <Bytram> !uid
[00:28:18] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4789, owned by UrstMcRedHead
[00:28:20] <SpallsHurgenson> coffee--
[00:28:20] <Bender> karma - coffee: 933
[00:28:26] <Bytram> coffee++
[00:28:26] <Bender> karma - coffee: 934
[00:28:28] <Bytram> =)
[00:28:36] <Bytram> decaf++
[00:28:36] <Bender> karma - decaf: 2
[00:28:40] <SpallsHurgenson> no, it's evil and foul!
[00:28:43] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[00:28:43] <SpallsHurgenson> coffee--
[00:28:43] <Bender> karma - coffee: 933
[00:28:44] <exec> Weather for Boston, MA - currrently 57°F / 14°C, scattered clouds, wind N at 0 mph, humidity 52% - Friday clear (50°F-63°F / 10°C-17°C), Saturday rain (43°F-55°F / 6°C-13°C), Sunday clear (43°F-57°F / 6°C-14°C), Monday mostly cloudy (55°F-63°F / 13°C-17°C) - source: Google
[00:28:50] <Bytram> ~time x
[00:28:51] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Saturday, 11 October 2014, 12:28 am
[00:29:25] <Bytram> SpallsHurgenson: that's cause you're not supposed to bathe in it; try drinking the coffee next time.
[00:29:34] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: ping?
[00:29:50] <Bytram> I'
[00:30:10] <Bytram> I've been reading RFCs and TRs re: IDN support
[00:30:24] <SpallsHurgenson> Bytram: I'm pretty sure some coffee drinkers would disagree with you :)
[00:30:29] <Bytram> I think this doc is prolly the key one for us to be aware of: http://www.unicode.org
[00:30:30] <NetCraft> ^ 03UTR #36: Unicode Security Considerations
[00:30:50] <Bytram> SpallsHurgenson: yeah, they're the ones that would prefer an IV
[00:30:51] <Bytram> =)
[00:31:14] <Bytram> another one bites the dust: http://www.itworld.com
[00:31:42] <Bytram> and another one's down and another one's down: http://krebsonsecurity.com
[00:32:35] <Bytram> and there's more: http://phys.org
[00:32:36] <NetCraft> ^ 03Hackers expose trove of snagged Snapchat images (Update) ( http://phys.org )
[00:34:56] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: btw, when it comes to IDN... for URLs, the main thing is to just flag when it contains non-ascii chars; we don't care if it has 50 diacritical chars -- users won't see it -- it's the text *between* the <a href="..."> and </a> we have to watch for.
[00:35:27] <Bytram> but that's just plain old text anyway, so the same rules apply as what we'd use anywhere else the user can enter text in a comment, journal story, etc.
[00:40:47] <Konomi> nya mornings
[00:40:54] <Konomi> how I hate 'em
[00:40:54] <ciri> not sure
[00:41:00] <crutchy> coffee++
[00:41:00] <Bender> karma - coffee: 934
[00:41:00] <Bytram> more scripting fun; now in Windows: http://arstechnica.com
[00:41:02] <Konomi> circ--
[00:41:02] <Bender> karma - circ: -1
[00:41:06] <Konomi> ops
[00:41:09] <Konomi> circ++
[00:41:09] <Bender> karma - circ: 0
[00:41:11] <Konomi> ciri--
[00:41:11] <Bender> karma - ciri: 3
[00:41:39] <chromas> so Windows is copying Linux now?
[00:41:47] <crutchy> no
[00:41:58] <Konomi> my desktop doesn't appear to be made out of candy
[00:41:59] <crutchy> it copied linux years ago :p
[00:42:01] <chromas> shell vulnerabilities
[00:42:01] <Konomi> so I don't think so
[00:42:15] <chromas> "we can do it tooo"
[00:42:24] <Konomi> wow I just got a mental image of bill gates in a rusty old van
[00:42:27] <crutchy> c:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\
[00:42:28] <Konomi> "Want some windows kiddies"
[00:42:41] <chromas> yeah but rape vans don't have windows
[00:42:51] <Konomi> they have windows vista
[00:42:54] <Konomi> all black
[00:42:58] <crutchy> back door is open
[00:43:04] <crutchy> inviting them in
[00:43:14] <crutchy> old man with candy
[00:43:36] <Konomi> did anyone ever notice if you rearrange siri you get iris?
[00:44:18] <crutchy> if you rearrange konomi you get moonki
[00:44:35] <SpallsHurgenson> isn't that sort of an "other side of the airlock" thing though, since it requires an administrator to run the script?
[00:44:36] <Konomi> shh secret invasion
[00:44:46] <Bytram> crutchy: or, kimono
[00:44:47] <crutchy> i dun wanna know what you get if you rearrange crutchy
[00:45:01] <Konomi> I would'nt bother trying to follow windows vun's
[00:45:08] <Konomi> I didn't even bother when I was running it
[00:45:11] <Bytram> churchyt
[00:45:11] <Konomi> just too many
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[00:45:54] <Bytram> for this particular one, a commenter succinctly note:
[00:45:57] <Bytram> "The attack is to embed a command in a directory name by appending &command. Then when a command using the directory name is executed the & says oh and also I would like you to do 'command'."
[00:46:23] <Konomi> &would-you-like-fries-with-that
[00:46:56] <crutchy> so you can execute a command just by cd'ing to a directory?
[00:47:20] <crutchy> autorun++
[00:47:20] <Bender> karma - autorun: 1
[00:47:25] <Bytram> pretty much. http://arstechnica.com
[00:47:44] <Konomi> don't tell the press or I'll be hearing on the radio today about the cmd.exe virus
[00:47:49] <SpallsHurgenson> "Cry Hutch" "Yurt Ch-ch!"
[00:48:09] <crutchy> i bet the bash people are jealous they didn't think of that one
[00:48:39] <Konomi> and I don't think I can take another bout of that ignorance
[00:48:40] <crutchy> its stupidity on a level that is brilliant
[00:49:09] <Bytram> and another variant on it: http://arstechnica.com
[00:49:22] <crutchy> the "Autorun Apocalypse"
[00:49:37] <Konomi> oh god
[00:50:30] <crutchy> on the plus side. there appears to be plenty to keep the mainstream media occupied of late, so geeky things prolly don't feature heavily
[00:50:46] <Konomi> god I hope I so
[00:51:30] <Bytram> huh.. just learned a new one on windows:
[00:51:40] <Bytram> SET "foo=this has imbedded spaces"
[00:51:41] <crutchy> the bsod is really a feature?
[00:52:00] <SpallsHurgenson> well I think the real lesson here is to never let users do anything on a computer :)
[00:52:00] <crutchy> ooh
[00:52:21] <Konomi> never let stupid people near computers
[00:52:30] <Konomi> or anything for that matter
[00:52:42] * crutchy is reading about how the US is supporting IS in syria and 'bombing' them in iraq. wtf?
[00:52:44] <Bytram> and then for this particular bug...
[00:52:49] <Bytram> SET "foo=this has imbedded spaces&dir"
[00:52:53] <Bytram> echo %foo%
[00:52:58] <Bytram> will get you a directory listing
[00:53:23] <crutchy> ooh bytram that is a doozy
[00:53:29] <Bytram> yuppers!
[00:54:00] * crutchy minimizes debian to try it
[00:55:00] <crutchy> crap that works in win7
[00:55:28] <chromas> crutchy: you should've bought win 8
[00:55:44] <chromas> spend spend spend
[00:55:52] <crutchy> isn't & the same in windows as linux? just like pressing enter?
[00:55:58] <crutchy> sort of
[00:56:10] <chromas> ;
[00:56:19] <chromas> & or (&&) is conditional
[00:56:25] <crutchy> cos when i do set "foo=blah" & dir i get dir listing as well
[00:56:31] <chromas> the second thing won't run if the first returns false
[00:56:41] <chromas> at least in bash
[00:56:57] <SpallsHurgenson> while we are bitching about windows, can I moan about how %appdata% seems to have been co-opted into the new "Program Files" directory by application authors, who use it to install programs there without requiring an administrator prompt?
[00:57:11] <crutchy> i did blingd & dir and got dir listing (in win 7)
[00:57:28] <Konomi> it'd be more of a worry if you could type it in
[00:57:34] <Konomi> launch another cmd fromt hat cmd
[00:57:36] <Konomi> and it ran dir
[00:58:00] <chromas> SpallsHurgenson: you should. Those programmers are the whole reason win had to run as admin before
[00:58:46] <SpallsHurgenson> MS should ban executables from running from there. Mind you, they shove programs in there too...
[00:59:22] <chromas> are they actually there? Or are they virtualized?
[01:00:30] <SpallsHurgenson> dunno about chrome but microsoft's stuff was really there
[01:01:20] <chromas> do people still try to put their configs into system32?
[01:01:25] <SpallsHurgenson> and I was wondering why users folders were bulking up so much...
[01:01:41] <crutchy> isn't program data just a way to make windows seem more secure than it is? 'ooh it looks bad when users see C:\Program Files\BuyViagraNow\ on their computer. lets automagically hide that stuff in C:\Users\Default (hidden)\AppData (also hidden)\Local\Microsoft\Windows' or some obscure place like that. then users won't blame it on microsoft but will blame those dodgy antivirus companies for not protecting them
[01:02:07] <chromas> it's just a variable
[01:02:12] <chromas> like $home on linux
[01:02:35] <chromas> win has %appdata% %userhome% or something like that
[01:02:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, true for proper and <URL:> links but text-to-link uses the web address as both the link and the text
[01:03:23] <Bytram> huh. "text-to-link" ?? what's that??
[01:03:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> type in an address with nothing around it and it gets turned into a link
[01:03:46] <Bytram> do we automagically linkify http://example.com
[01:03:46] <NetCraft> ^ 03Example Domain
[01:03:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeppers
[01:03:56] <crutchy> yeah cos i'm lazy
[01:04:18] <crutchy> and <url:http://myshit.com> just looks weird
[01:04:18] <NetCraft> ^ 03ERROR: The requested URL could not be retrieved
[01:04:26] <Bytram> into this: <a href="http://example.com/index.html">http://example.com/index.html</a>
[01:04:27] <NetCraft> ^ 03Example Domain
[01:04:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, exactly
[01:04:44] * SpallsHurgenson gets out his big stomp-a-bot boots
[01:04:54] <Bytram> huh. never saw that one before!
[01:05:15] <crutchy> maybe if it were <url>http://myshit.com/</url> would seem more logical
[01:05:18] <NetCraft> ^ 03myshit.com - myshit Resources and Information. This website is for sale!
[01:05:25] <crutchy> ¿
[01:05:25] <Bytram> lol
[01:05:27] <ciri> HEHEHEHE
[01:05:52] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: interesting. lemme think for a moment
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[01:06:22] <crutchy> so anything that starts with http:// or https:// gets turned into a link?
[01:06:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> or ftp:// or mailto: or a few others.
[01:07:12] <Bytram> so does text-to-link have any kind of check in it for UTF-8 chars? we just need to have it check with the same routines that validate the plain text and then the URL part
[01:07:45] <Bytram> or, if the text-to-link stuff happens early enough, it will just feed into the existing checks that we have. right?
[01:07:45] <SpallsHurgenson> gopher:// ? :)
[01:07:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, the link's actually done after the text is already decided. dunno where the text part comes in cause i was working on making the link work.
[01:07:59] <Bytram> SpallsHurgenson: I think he was on the Love Boat
[01:07:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, yes
[01:08:14] <paulej72> but if we strip shit out of a url it may not work anymore
[01:08:17] <SpallsHurgenson> TheMightyBuzzard: seriously?
[01:08:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, indeed
[01:08:34] * SpallsHurgenson giggles happily
[01:08:47] <Bytram> btw, we should NOT STRIP text out of a URL... see the TR: http://www.unicode.org
[01:08:47] <NetCraft> ^ 03UTR #36: Unicode Security Considerations
[01:08:54] <chromas> if the link points to soylent, it could set the title
[01:08:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, i'm thinking strip it out of the displayed part only.
[01:09:18] <Bytram> especially this part of that TR: http://www.unicode.org
[01:09:18] <NetCraft> ^ 03UTR #36: Unicode Security Considerations
[01:09:29] <Bytram> "UTF-8 Exploits"
[01:09:41] <paulej72> ok that may still cause issues with cut and paste
[01:10:16] <Bytram> any bad chars, instead of deleting them, replace each with: U+FFFD
[01:10:17] <SpallsHurgenson> huh, gecko-browsers don't support gopher natively anymore :(
[01:10:32] <Bytram> SpallsHurgenson: you should upgrade to Lynx =)
[01:11:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, currently nothing done to them right now except stripping %XX encoding out of the hostname.
[01:11:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> where it's not technically legal anyway
[01:11:33] <ciri> hmmm thats a good question TheMightyBuzzard
[01:12:52] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: that is true wrt LDH names, yes. Fun reading here: http://tools.ietf.org
[01:12:53] <NetCraft> ^ 03RFC 5890 - Internationalized Domain Names for Applications (IDNA): Definitions and Document Framework ( rfc5890.html )
[01:13:07] * Bytram has been doing a *lot* of reading lately
[01:13:30] * Bytram still has to read RFCs 5891, 5892, 5893, and 5894
[01:14:43] * chromas sets the bot to triple the titles for SpallsHurgenson
[01:15:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, honestly though, I'm fine with breaking links that do vertical gerzillion-accent exploits even if they are a technically valid domain name.
[01:15:13] <Bytram> yyyooouuu mmmeeeaaannn llliiikkkeee ttthhhiiisss???
[01:15:58] <Bytram> do we flag when a URL has a non-ascii char in it?
[01:16:00] * SpallsHurgenson writhes in agony
[01:16:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> in comments yes, you get (Warning: Unicode in URL)
[01:17:07] <paulej72> we are going to add it to story edit too
[01:17:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[01:17:14] <Bytram> yay!
[01:17:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> the preview thing for editors n possibly the folks previewing their sub.
[01:17:45] <crutchy> http://soуlentnews.org/
[01:18:03] <Bytram> crutchy: nice try with the "y"
[01:18:17] <crutchy> convincing, no?
[01:18:19] <paulej72> and if that falls throug to regular story views i would not be upset
[01:18:27] <chromas> not in this font
[01:18:30] <Bytram> paulej72: agreed.
[01:18:34] <crutchy> lol
[01:18:36] <chromas> The y is too tall
[01:18:37] <crutchy> dammit
[01:18:50] <crutchy> what about with the web site fonts used?
[01:18:59] <paulej72> mu font looks ok
[01:19:00] <Bytram> in the bigger picture, if someone wants to use this code for a, say, japanese site, they'll see the warning all the time. :/
[01:19:13] <Bytram> but for our purposes, that should be fine
[01:19:14] <chromas> in the address bar it looks right except it's rendered gray for some reason
[01:19:28] <paulej72> use a var to set it
[01:19:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, it's only one place in the code and easy to disable
[01:19:44] <Bytram> that's to flag that it is not composed solely of "Letters Digits and Hyphen" LDH
[01:19:48] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: nod nod
[01:20:04] <Bytram> this is really required reading for this kind of stuff: http://tools.ietf.org
[01:20:04] <NetCraft> ^ 03RFC 5890 - Internationalized Domain Names for Applications (IDNA): Definitions and Document Framework ( rfc5890.html )
[01:20:06] <crutchy> http://soylentnеws.org/
[01:20:11] <paulej72> use a var to turn it on and off
[01:20:17] <crutchy> how 'bout that one?
[01:20:18] <Bytram> paulej72++
[01:20:18] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 80
[01:20:34] <SpallsHurgenson> bad e :)
[01:20:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, could i guess
[01:21:03] <crutchy> damn is it really that obvious?
[01:21:13] <chromas> The е is for еxceptional
[01:21:15] <SpallsHurgenson> it is in this font (it's just a black square :)
[01:21:21] <crutchy> oh
[01:21:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, if it makes NetCraft bork, i'm not clicking it
[01:21:49] <Bytram> crutchy: fwiw, it looks identical in my font.
[01:21:53] <paulej72> it is called tofu
[01:21:55] <crutchy> maybe unicode links should be shown in a font that shows the unicode as squares?
[01:22:08] <crutchy> even if just in the visible text of the link
[01:22:08] <Bytram> hey!
[01:22:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> could do that. wouldn't be difficult
[01:22:30] * paulej72 set a css class on them
[01:22:44] <crutchy> or even just replace unicode chars for the visible text
[01:22:53] <crutchy> so you can keep same style
[01:23:07] <crutchy> keep unicodes in the href
[01:23:07] <Bytram> a: {font-family: monospace;}
[01:23:09] <paulej72> i know we can make then red. red is for danger
[01:23:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> just replace em with the oops character
[01:23:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> U+fffd
[01:23:23] * Bytram votes for pile-of-poo
[01:23:45] <chromas> We should replace all the mod labels with unicode icons
[01:23:53] <Bytram> that would be in the *displayed* test, not in the actual URL, right?
[01:23:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy'd just register 15 piles of poo in a row.com
[01:24:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> right
[01:24:09] <crutchy> Bytram, that's what i reckon
[01:24:23] <Bytram> hmm, that sounds *really* good... let me ponder a bit.
[01:24:38] <paulej72> too bad pile of poo was not more universal
[01:24:46] <chromas> (Score: 3, 🌈)
[01:24:52] <crutchy> can still support unicode hrefs. just as long as it doesn't attempt to confuse the user
[01:24:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> you n pj arm wrestle for what we do with it. ima play video games.
[01:25:04] <Bytram> won't help anyone who uses a monospaced font to begin with, and if you are using, say, lynx, utf-8 chars are gonna be a problem, anyway
[01:25:24] <crutchy> pile_of_poo_replacement++
[01:25:24] <Bender> karma - pile_of_poo_replacement: 1
[01:25:36] <chromas> Use a serif font
[01:25:52] <chromas> a lot of those symbols just don't fit in 'cause they don't have serifs
[01:25:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> unifont is monospaced
[01:26:00] <crutchy> user could also have css turned off or have a browser that doesn't support it
[01:26:12] <Bytram> crutchy: right.
[01:26:13] <chromas> that's their problrem
[01:26:28] <chromas> "Best with with…"
[01:26:30] <crutchy> yeah i turn js off sometimes but only css if i'm testing
[01:27:04] <Bytram> text-transform: blink;
[01:27:22] <crutchy> put link in a marquee text
[01:27:52] <Bytram> crutchy: yeah, but if it is a bidi script, does it scroll from right to left? =)
[01:28:23] <crutchy> or have a js that moves the link away from the mouse when the user attempts to move over it
[01:28:36] <chromas> all the links
[01:28:42] <chromas> then it will be a game of herd the links
[01:28:45] <crutchy> april 1st :p
[01:28:53] <Bytram> chromas: I herd about that one
[01:29:06] <crutchy> gnu/herd
[01:29:09] <Bytram> lol
[01:29:22] <Bytram> crutchy: btw, have you seen my wavy text?
[01:29:32] <crutchy> wwwwwwwwwwwww?
[01:29:57] <crutchy> or \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
[01:30:23] <paulej72> paste that link
[01:30:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> a:hover {display:none;}
[01:30:35] <crutchy> lol
[01:30:35] <ciri> now that is funny
[01:30:38] <Bytram> crutchy: close, but not quite.
[01:30:39] <Bytram> this<sup> is<sup> a</sup> test</sup> of<sub> the<sub> emergency</sub> broadcast</sub> system<sup>
[01:30:51] <crutchy> oh yeah i remember that one now :)
[01:31:10] <Bytram> I coded it up for whatever height you want. =)
[01:31:19] <crutchy> ooh
[01:31:24] <Bytram> nod nod
[01:31:34] <Bytram> crutchy: can you see the dev server?
[01:32:01] <crutchy> yup
[01:32:11] <crutchy> assuming you mean http://dev.soylentnews.org
[01:32:12] <NetCraft> ^ 03Dev.SN: Dev.SN is dead developers
[01:32:20] <Bytram> crutchy: nod nod
[01:32:39] <Bytram> http://dev.soylentnews.org
[01:32:39] <NetCraft> ^ 04SN (dev) article 03 submitted title contains </tr> right here:and more text follows 04(1 comments)
[01:33:09] <Bytram> or, directly at: http://dev.soylentnews.org
[01:33:09] <NetCraft> ^ 04SN (dev) comment by martyb (76)
[01:33:19] <crutchy> wholly carp...i haven't seen *that* before lol
[01:33:43] <chromas> You didn't type all the tags by hand, did you
[01:33:56] <crutchy> have you tried posting that under a systemd comment on the main site?
[01:34:00] <Bytram> Nope. All programmed and parameterized.
[01:34:08] <chromas> lol. expand comment…just get sig
[01:34:09] <Bytram> I can take in a text file and make it wave like that.
[01:34:43] <Bytram> I'm saving that one for April 1st, too.
[01:34:44] <crutchy> maybe next time nc posts one of his novels, if you're the editor run it through your scripty :)
[01:34:51] <Bytram> ROLF!!!!!
[01:37:13] <Bytram> hmmm, it would certainly make for an interesting read of the periodic table of the elements.
[01:37:41] <crutchy> unicode wave
[01:37:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> thas just sup and sub tags
[01:38:55] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: true, but it was fun trying to code it with a parameter to specify the max "height" of the SUPs (or depth of SUBs, if you prefer)
[01:39:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> hehe
[01:39:14] <Bytram> yuppers.
[01:39:45] <chromas> Bytram: make it take input for modulation
[01:39:53] <Bytram> modulation?
[01:39:55] <chromas> so we can encode things in the height
[01:40:01] <crutchy> ooh that's trippy
[01:40:02] <Bytram> hmmm
[01:40:04] <chromas> like secret strings or music
[01:40:13] <Bytram> morse code
[01:40:21] <Bytram> or, coarse mode? ;)
[01:40:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, you have Bytram to thank for you lot being forever forbidden sup/sub tags
[01:40:31] <chromas> aw
[01:40:32] <crutchy> gradually expand and reduce the width of the window with that wave comment
[01:40:39] <chromas> Bytram++
[01:40:39] <Bender> karma - bytram: 22
[01:40:44] <chromas> martyb++
[01:40:44] <Bender> karma - martyb: 16
[01:40:46] <crutchy> real wavy :p
[01:40:50] <crutchy> Bytram++
[01:40:50] <Bender> karma - bytram: 23
[01:40:55] <Bytram> groovy!
[01:41:49] <crutchy> who needs drugs with an abundance of sup/sub tags?
[01:41:54] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: wait a minute... you mean users can no longer write in a comment: H<sub>2</sub>O ???
[01:42:06] * SpallsHurgenson sticks with drugs
[01:42:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> they never could
[01:42:18] <Bytram> ah.. that's right.
[01:42:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> have to use the unicode character
[01:42:46] <Bytram> nod nod
[01:42:52] <chromas> ho½
[01:43:04] <Bytram> ho ho ho, green giant?
[01:43:06] <paulej72> x2
[01:43:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> did you just split an oxygen atom, chromas?
[01:43:28] <crutchy> Н²Ø
[01:43:35] <chromas> yup; it's half a water
[01:43:43] <Bytram> H⚁O
[01:43:54] <chromas> ^ roll
[01:44:01] <paulej72> HOH
[01:44:21] <chromas> ⚀⚀
[01:44:23] <chromas> snake eyes
[01:44:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> H₂O
[01:44:33] <crutchy>
[01:44:33] <Bytram> in canada, zip code for north pole: H0H 0H0
[01:44:58] <chromas> can't find ₂ in the compose key map
[01:45:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> U+2082
[01:45:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://en.wikipedia.org
[01:45:18] <NetCraft> ^ 04Wiki: 03Unicode subscripts and superscripts
[01:45:22] <chromas> yeah
[01:45:37] <chromas> But with the compose key you can do things like <compose>23 to get ⅔
[01:45:47] <chromas> doesn't take numbers though :(
[01:45:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> feh
[01:45:59] <chromas> Ѽ
[01:46:16] <chromas> need the IBM-style <alt>+number
[01:46:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm happy with my coffee++ key
[01:46:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[01:46:25] <Bender> karma - coffee: 935
[01:46:39] <Bytram> 💩
[01:47:06] <Bytram> according to BabelMap, that should be a "PILE OF POO" U+1F4A9 but I don't see it.
[01:47:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> shows fine in unifont
[01:47:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> course unifont is oogly at low point sizes.
[01:48:13] <Bytram> strange. does NOT show in Unifont CSUR, but DOES show in Unifont Upper CSUR
[01:48:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[01:48:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> gotta have upper cause it is an upper char
[01:48:44] * Bytram just wants one font to rule them all and bind them =)
[01:49:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> talk folks into trading glyphs back and forth
[01:49:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> font makers i mean
[01:49:41] <Bytram> that's a little past my ability
[01:49:49] <Bytram> btw, what font do you use these days?
[01:49:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> copyright's what makes us have to use damned ugly fonts or seriously incomplete ones.
[01:50:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> same, unifont
[01:50:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> for monospaced anyway
[01:50:20] <Bytram> so how do you get them both to work at the same time?
[01:50:24] <Bytram> o you?
[01:50:27] <Bytram> or do you?
[01:50:51] <chromas> it should use unifont or whatever for chars it can't find a font for I think
[01:51:03] * chromas doesn't have unifont installed but is getting the glyphs anyhow
[01:51:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> i have no idea, i just installed the unifont package from the AUR
[01:51:18] <Bytram> AUR?
[01:51:24] <chromas> archlinux++
[01:51:24] <Bender> karma - archlinux: 55
[01:51:29] <Bytram> oh.
[01:51:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Churchgoers Decrease In Germany Due To Changes In - http://sylnt.us - church-and-state
[01:51:50] * Bytram downloaded the fonts, unzipped, and copied to my font dir
[01:52:02] <Bytram> the incredible shrinking church-goers
[01:52:20] <Bytram> the can now use much smaller pews
[01:52:24] <Bytram> s/the/they/
[01:52:25] <SedBot9000> <Bytram> they can now use much smaller pews
[01:54:37] <crutchy> coffee++
[01:54:37] <Bender> karma - coffee: 936
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[01:55:40] <Bytram> Dopefish: g'day!
[01:55:49] <Dopefish> hey hey
[01:55:54] <Dopefish> howdy do?
[01:55:58] <Bytram> it's the Monkees ??
[01:56:04] <Bytram> =)
[01:56:18] <Dopefish> haha
[01:56:22] <Dopefish> Love that band
[01:56:38] <Dopefish> But I ain't monkeeing around
[01:56:39] <paulej72> ok just fixed that story title
[01:57:05] <Bytram> paulej72: the &amp;amp; bug?
[01:57:13] <paulej72> yes
[01:57:17] <Bytram> !woop
[01:57:17] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[01:57:21] <Bytram> paulej72++
[01:57:21] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 81
[01:57:46] <Bytram> is that up on dev?
[01:58:17] <paulej72> no not yet. did not get a chance to code today
[01:58:26] <Bytram> np, just curious.
[01:58:41] <Bytram> how's the dog-n-pony going? or did already come and go?
[01:59:54] <paulej72> most of it is done for what i need to worry about. just some clean up tomorrow
[02:00:07] <Bytram> glad to hear it! Hope it went well!!
[02:00:57] <paulej72> well the av stuff has not broke yet
[02:01:44] <Bytram> that's excellent news... the more people watching, the more a bulb wants to die.
[02:01:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Churchgoers Decrease In Germany Due To Changes In 'Church Tax' - http://sylnt.us - church-and-state
[02:01:53] <Bytram> or a fuse short out, or w/e
[02:02:18] <Bytram> huh. looks like the quote bug struck again. :/
[02:11:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh, looks like windows is going rolling release starting with 10
[02:11:49] <Bytram> really? I bet corps will just *love* that! :/
[02:12:19] <Bytram> there's gotta be a way to nail down the exact version of the OS you're running so you know your apps will keep running.
[02:12:22] <paulej72> they said the same thing about win8
[02:12:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://arstechnica.com
[02:12:49] <paulej72> ill believe it when i see it
[02:13:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> i won't see it
[02:13:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> done with windows for some time now except for games and you don't exactly gotta learn much to install n play a game
[02:13:49] <Bytram> believing IS seeing; if you didn't believe it, you would see it. =)
[02:13:59] <paulej72> lol
[02:14:00] <ciri> heh
[02:14:03] * SpallsHurgenson plays his newly downloaded computer game, excited to see if it is as good as the 70s romantic comedy that inspired it
[02:14:30] <chromas> Three's Company?
[02:14:42] <SpallsHurgenson> close, Aliens:Isolation
[02:14:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> only thing i done to a win8 system so far is point folks to a story i read about putting the start button back. it's wonderful being able to say fuck if i know.
[02:17:30] <chromas> "This will be how Windows 10 handles mission-critical systems and environments where strict validation or certification are issues. It will also be the option for those organizations that don't want to risk introducing any unfamiliarity or interface changes."
[02:17:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> say, something i was wondering....
[02:17:38] <chromas> Two lols for the price of one
[02:18:07] <SpallsHurgenson> and once again Microsoft's marketing department is in charge
[02:18:22] <SpallsHurgenson> who the hell wants a constantly changing OS?
[02:18:33] * chromas wonders what TheMightyBuzzard is wondering
[02:18:51] <Bytram> he's a wonderer
[02:18:55] <crutchy> plague_inc++
[02:18:55] <Bender> karma - plague_inc: 2
[02:19:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, paulej72 why are we using " or numeric or whatever instead of '/" anyway?
[02:19:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> story titles work fine with quotes if you don't put them in as entities now
[02:19:40] <paulej72> it is what the user submits
[02:19:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> idjits
[02:20:16] <paulej72> probably from what the copied from some other site
[02:20:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> what say we decode_entity them?
[02:21:03] <Bytram> the problem *I* saw was a user submits a story with a title: Mayor says "No Way!" and when it gets previewed, it came out as: Mayor says "No Way!" and it was all downhill from there.
[02:21:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> seems like it'd save everyone some time
[02:21:09] <paulej72> i am just going to fix the doublr amp encode
[02:21:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight
[02:22:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> asking cause i just checked and we're good if you use proper punctuation instead of entities nowadays
[02:22:33] <Bytram> hmm, brb
[02:22:36] <chromas> Should there be a mention to submitters?
[02:22:46] <paulej72> the encode was there to begin with. the current fix keeps encoding the amp each time through a preview
[02:22:47] <chromas> "you don't have to do it this way anymore"
[02:22:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> unless the editing interface is buggering it up
[02:22:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, roger
[02:23:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, might be worth mentioning, yeah.
[02:23:47] <Bytram> just tried it on dev.
[02:23:59] <paulej72> the correct regex is there it is just not used for any of the resgular strip subs
[02:24:06] <Bytram> went to submit a story with a story title of: quoted string: "here"
[02:24:29] <Bytram> selected a topic, hit preview, and the story title changed to: quoted string: "here"
[02:24:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, it's the editing interface then
[02:25:40] <Bytram> then I hit the preview button again, and now the story title is again changed:
[02:25:41] <Bytram> quoted string: &#34;here&#34;
[02:25:42] <paulej72> Bytram: you used just regular quotes
[02:25:47] <Bytram> yes.
[02:26:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> wait, you did that on dev prior to submitting and it did that? cause it's not happening on live to me.
[02:26:19] <Bytram> I cut and pasted the exact chars I used on dev.
[02:26:32] <paulej72> crap. there is some other hidden regex changing quotes
[02:26:50] <Bytram> paulej72: TheMightyBuzzard: the latest story on live ran into it
[02:27:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> no hang on... want to clarify here
[02:27:18] <Bytram> it went out with part of the title missing cause title text had been quoted, and then it got truncated.
[02:27:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> you hit submit.pl and put that in then hit preview and it screwed up?
[02:27:41] <Bytram> exactly.
[02:27:59] <paulej72> my fix for the amp regex will stop the double encodes.
[02:28:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, good enough for now. i want to find out why it's doing it to double quotes but not single quotes though.
[02:28:45] <Bytram> fwiw, I have the submission format default to "Plain Old Text"
[02:28:47] <paulej72> does them too
[02:28:51] <Bytram> just reproduced on live. same problem there.
[02:29:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> just tested on live with single quotes. no &# for me
[02:29:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> single quote being '
[02:29:30] <Bytram> I dunno about single quotes (') but it's very reproducible with double quotes (")
[02:29:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod, verified that
[02:29:40] <Bytram> on BOTH dev AND live
[02:30:18] <Bytram> keep hitting preview and watch the turtles stack up.
[02:30:21] <paulej72> ill fix it tomorrow
[02:30:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> no rush, no point releases this time.
[02:30:51] <Bytram> yup, no rush... but us editors need to be mindful of it.
[02:30:55] <paulej72> yes i am going to point release it
[02:31:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, feel the lurve
[02:31:38] <paulej72> i held off on url fix just for this
[02:31:42] <Bytram> hugs all round!
[02:31:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> glad you held off that idn work then
[02:31:47] <Bytram> nod nod
[02:32:01] <Bytram> actually, I been kinda busy getting back up to speed
[02:32:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> gonna be a funky, funky merge but i'll get that taken care of monday.
[02:32:08] <Bytram> read a couple RFCs and a TR
[02:32:50] <Bytram> good luck with the merge!!
[02:32:59] <Bytram> btw, one thing we run into occasionally...
[02:33:46] <paulej72> yes
[02:33:57] <Bytram> when a user submits a story anonymously... it comes to the editors as:
[02:33:57] <Bytram> <p class="byline"><a href="//soylentnews.org/~Anonymous+Coward/">Anonymous Coward</a> writes:</p>
[02:34:05] <Bytram> when it should NOT be a URL.
[02:34:12] <Bytram> is that an easy thing to trap/fix?
[02:34:21] <Bytram> should be more like:
[02:34:32] <Bytram> <p class="byline">An Anonymous Coward writes:</p>
[02:34:33] * paulej72 thought i had that working
[02:34:55] <Bytram> here's one that is in the queue right now: http://soylentnews.org
[02:34:56] <NetCraft> ^ 04SN Submission by Anonymous Coward 03How these people react in this experiment is surprising
[02:35:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> we could always put in a user page for AC
[02:35:42] <Bytram> brilliant!
[02:35:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> fill it full of nonsense and llamas
[02:36:04] <chromas> tama llamas
[02:36:08] <Bytram> are those one-l or two-l llamas?
[02:36:08] <Dopefish> and mighty buzzards
[02:36:17] <paulej72> ill look at that i probably fuckrd up a if when i wrot that
[02:36:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> speaking of, been a lot of buzzards out lately around here
[02:36:44] <Bytram> np. it's a minor thing but it bites us once in a while if we don't notice.
[02:37:02] <Bytram> paulej72: oh, just noticed what looks like submission bin spam
[02:37:14] <Bytram> http://soylentnews.org
[02:37:14] <NetCraft> ^ 04SN Submission by matt mailto:sbdh47tf@hotmail.com 03WytWnzQoMtXRpaFBX
[02:37:20] <paulej72> randome text
[02:37:33] <chromas> there're two
[02:37:40] <paulej72> can you make a regex to catchl that
[02:37:43] <Bytram> yup, and this one: bin spam: paulej72
[02:38:01] <Bytram> paulej72: I "tagged" 'em for ya
[02:38:16] <paulej72> l ll get them tomorrow
[02:38:37] <Bytram> fine.
[02:38:58] <chromas> could have a filter to reject submissions where the linked text is longer than the non-linked text
[02:39:28] <chromas> or link should be less than 50% or the post
[02:39:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> second one ain't bad, first one has issues
[02:46:28] <Konomi> hmm achived all goals for this morning
[02:46:50] <Konomi> achieved*
[02:47:00] <chromas> that means it's your turn to be assimilated by the staff
[02:47:02] <paulej72> 1 get up
[02:47:07] <paulej72> 2 eat
[02:47:07] <ciri> 3
[02:47:13] <crutchy> sleep, eat, shit, watch pr0nz?
[02:47:19] <paulej72> yes
[02:47:35] <chromas> ciri awaits the next numerical value
[02:49:18] <Konomi> starting to package up some of my more useful bash scripts
[02:49:36] <chromas> and sell them on the street
[02:50:03] <Konomi> gotta keep up my speed addiction somehow
[02:50:06] * Bytram needs food brb
[02:50:23] <chromas> could put them in the aur
[02:50:43] <chromas> or whatever debian has
[02:51:25] <Konomi> has nothing ;p
[02:51:42] <chromas> the Konomi repo
[02:51:49] <Konomi> sounds like work
[02:51:52] * Konomi sneezes
[02:51:57] <Konomi> I have an allergy to that
[02:54:38] <Bytram> this is strange... I can't load the 2nd spam submission... ff just spins its little thingy, but nothing loads
[02:54:54] <Bytram> ??!?
[02:55:01] <chromas> load for me
[02:55:08] <chromas> although
[02:55:13] <Bytram> this one: http://soylentnews.org
[02:55:13] <NetCraft> ^ 04SN Submission by matt mailto:sbdh47tf@hotmail.com 03ZvqOglTMpAjK
[02:55:24] <chromas> just now when I moved my mouse over the browser it disappeared
[02:55:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> loads fine
[02:55:37] <Bytram> huh. netcraft can read it too.
[02:55:44] * Bytram tries lynx
[02:56:22] <Konomi> if anyone is curious
[02:56:23] <Konomi> http://boxedfox.org
[02:56:33] <Konomi> menu driven front end for mtr
[02:56:44] <Bytram> mtr?
[02:56:53] <Konomi> https://packages.debian.org
[02:56:55] <NetCraft> ^ 03Debian -- Details of package mtr in jessie
[02:58:00] <Bytram> loaded fine in lynx in a cmd.exe window... go figure.
[02:58:39] <chromas> Maybe it has Unicode characters that browser on Windows can't handle
[02:59:16] <chromas> that new PowerShell virus I hurd about
[02:59:38] <Bytram> chromas: but I'm running lynx.exe in a cmd.exe window on windows and that works... FF on windows -- just spins.
[02:59:54] * Konomi loads
[03:00:03] <chromas> is your FF going through a proxy or have extensions?
[03:00:08] <Konomi> marked: works for me
[03:00:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, you broke firefox
[03:00:37] <chromas> Bytram: delete system32
[03:00:45] <Bytram> I have no proxy of my own, but I do access the net by tethering my phone... so there is some munging along the way.
[03:01:49] <Bytram> funny thing is that both "spam" submissions are by a registered user, it seems.
[03:01:49] <paulej72> too many redirects
[03:04:38] <crutchy> http://paste.ofcode.org
[03:04:39] <NetCraft> ^ 03Paste ofCode
[03:04:48] <crutchy> went through websniffer, just in case
[03:05:01] <Bytram> ha! if I delete the part of the url: "&title=ZvqOglTMpAjK" then it comes through okay!
[03:05:17] <chromas> oh were we clicking the link in the 'article'?
[03:05:41] <Bytram> otherwise, doesn't even make it out to the wire... ff fails to try and retrieve the article
[03:07:36] <crutchy> has infinite redirects if js is enabled
[03:07:44] <Konomi> yay
[03:07:48] <Konomi> reddit fixed my bug
[03:07:50] <Konomi> https://pay.reddit.com
[03:30:37] crutchy is now known as crunchy
[03:37:59] crunchy is now known as crutchy
[03:39:57] <chromas> firefox-- # for loading svgz files from servers but not from local files
[03:39:58] <Bender> karma - firefox: -1
[03:41:01] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tesla Updates Model S with Four Wheel Drive and Autopilot - http://sylnt.us - Jaaane-stop-this-crazy-thing
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[06:26:39] <crutchy> coffee++
[06:26:39] <Bender> karma - coffee: 937
[06:41:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Intel Processors Miscalculate FSIN - http://sylnt.us - 4,195,835/3,145,727=1.333739068902037589
[07:34:27] <crutchy> youtube_subtitles++
[07:34:27] <Bender> karma - youtube_subtitles: 1
[07:38:23] <Konomi> caffeine++
[07:38:23] <Bender> karma - caffeine: 24
[07:42:01] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[07:42:01] <Bender> karma - coffee: 936
[07:42:02] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[07:42:02] <Bender> karma - coffee: 935
[08:14:57] <crutchy> goat_simulator++
[08:14:57] <Bender> karma - goat_simulator: 1
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[08:50:00] <Ethanol-fueled> wanna smell a woman's vagina at the shakedown bar.
[08:50:51] <Ethanol-fueled> http://theshakedownsd.com
[08:54:03] <chromas> :/
[08:54:14] <chromas> Needs javascript to load a photo of a car
[08:54:25] <Ethanol-fueled> chromas, yes, that is indeed sad.
[08:54:35] <chromas> maybe the site designer was drunk
[08:54:43] <Ethanol-fueled> but if you go into that bar, you will have the shit beat out of you.
[08:54:46] <chromas> So that's a local bar?
[08:55:15] <Ethanol-fueled> hell yeah, the roughest and most violent local bar.
[08:55:24] <chromas> probably get the shit beat out of me in a Toys Я Us
[08:55:50] * chromas goes to Weenie Hutt Jr.
[08:56:41] <Ethanol-fueled> Bahahahaha
[08:56:43] <Ethanol-fueled> DODODHDHDHDHDH
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[09:14:48] <Ethanol-fueled> The psychologist who is mad at me for biting her vagina is calling me asking to hang out/
[09:15:06] <chromas> And how does that make you feel?
[09:15:11] <Ethanol-fueled> that is good news: for I will not have to hustle up vagina.
[09:15:40] <chromas> When you're done, ask what her father did to her as a child
[09:16:04] <Ethanol-fueled> chromas - her daddy ignored her. that's why she engages in dangerous attention-seeking behavior.
[09:16:18] <chromas> that's why she's a psychologist
[09:17:47] <Ethanol-fueled> if she saves me the trouble of getting at that vagina, all the power to her.
[09:17:55] <Ethanol-fueled> NUT NUT NUT NUT!
[09:18:35] <Ethanol-fueled> VAN HALEN is the best rock group of all time.
[09:18:40] <Ethanol-fueled> PARTY METAL.
[09:20:30] <Ethanol-fueled> Yeah! Fuckin' PARTY!
[09:22:14] <Ethanol-fueled> Hangin' out with grandma is awesome too, for she has the poopybutt.
[09:22:46] <Ethanol-fueled> At any given moment, she will emit a "furrrrrrrttt" sound, which indicates that she is involuntarily leaking feces into her diaper.
[09:23:38] <Ethanol-fueled> Greedy family are telling her to let her lawn die, but she's lived in that house for 40 years, and so she tells them to fuck off and uses mad water keeping the lawn alive.
[09:24:17] <Ethanol-fueled> After she croaks and I get the "fuck you" money, I will never talk to my family again. I will be FREE!
[09:24:42] <chromas> Is that when you'll change your name and become an editor?
[09:25:07] <Ethanol-fueled> chromas, no, that's when I'll be taking my "service learning" class for my CompSci program.
[09:25:17] <Ethanol-fueled> in a year or so, maybe less.
[09:26:05] <Ethanol-fueled> I have to code for a nonprofit...for free, and document the results. So Soylent news will be the perfect place.
[09:26:54] <chromas> Hopefully the devs will have left some bugs or features for you by then
[09:27:20] <Ethanol-fueled> there will always be a bug in slashcode -- it's written in PERL
[09:27:47] <Ethanol-fueled> if no bugs are left and no more features are to be coded then I'll port the code to C#
[09:28:06] <Ethanol-fueled> only then will it be appreciated by true nerds.
[09:28:43] <chromas> only if you port msvc to Linux
[09:29:00] <chromas> visual_studio++
[09:29:00] <Bender> karma - visual_studio: 1
[09:29:32] <Ethanol-fueled> I love visual studio. Linux IDEs are shite compared to it.
[09:29:50] <Ethanol-fueled> Linux IDEs are bloated and buggy, designed by retards.
[09:30:20] <chromas> b-b-b-but muh emacs!
[09:30:51] <chromas> Have you tried Kdevelop?
[09:31:04] <chromas> Not sure how it compares but it keels kind of…big
[09:31:14] <Ethanol-fueled> KDE is an ugly unnavigable sack of shite.
[09:32:08] * chromas sobs in the corner
[09:33:28] <chromas> Hey, when did watcom become open source? Let's all throw out or gccs and llvms
[09:37:17] <crutchy> gedit++
[09:37:17] <Bender> karma - gedit: 10
[09:37:36] <crutchy> delphi++
[09:37:36] <Bender> karma - delphi: 22
[09:37:48] <chromas> delphi++
[09:37:48] <Bender> karma - delphi: 23
[09:38:04] <crutchy> can run delphi in wine
[09:38:16] <crutchy> help system goes to shyte, but the rest works
[09:38:21] <chromas> Need native so the binaries are huge
[09:38:34] <chromas> huge_binaries++
[09:38:34] <Bender> karma - huge_binaries: 1
[09:38:42] <crutchy> only with forms unit
[09:38:51] <chromas> Not sure why but compiling against gtk in laz makes huuuuge bins
[09:39:01] <chromas> even with debugging stripped
[09:39:08] <crutchy> haven't used lazarus much
[09:39:33] <crutchy> hard to when delphi is just a click away
[09:41:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The CDC is Attempting to Optimally Manage Ebola Fear - http://sylnt.us - this-porage-is-just-right
[09:41:43] <chromas> bearctl start fear
[09:43:02] <chromas> should try gedit I s'pose but gtk
[09:44:59] <crutchy> gedit is very gnomish
[09:45:10] <crutchy> there might be a kde similar
[09:45:12] <chromas> gunome--
[09:45:13] <Bender> karma - gunome: -2
[09:45:15] <crutchy> kate?
[09:45:18] <chromas> yeah it's good
[09:46:39] <crutchy> not much github activity today
[09:48:47] <Ethanol-fueled> EBOLA-9, the virus planet
[09:48:50] <Ethanol-fueled> hahahahha
[09:50:52] <ar> chromas: kate is a nice editor
[09:51:18] <crutchy> anyone used both gedit and kate? i haven't used kate
[09:51:23] <chromas> Yeah, it's just that I want to complain about the lack of Pascal support instead of learning something else :D
[09:51:47] <crutchy> what about freepas scripting?
[09:52:06] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, they both suck compared to notepad++ or Genuine Microsoft Windows offerings.
[09:52:26] <crutchy> never used notepad++ either
[09:52:33] * crutchy opens google image search
[09:53:01] <chromas> ooh
[09:53:22] <chromas> upgrade time. Download: 372 MiB, net upgrade size: -4.5
[09:53:32] <chromas> download to get less
[09:53:42] <crutchy> what's that for?
[09:53:49] <crutchy> notepad++?
[09:53:51] <chromas> system update
[09:53:56] * Ethanol-fueled kneads dick, curls toes
[09:53:57] <crutchy> ah
[09:54:11] <chromas> new kernel, nvidia etc
[09:54:18] <chromas> pile of Ethanol-fueled's favorite, KDE stuff
[09:54:26] <crutchy> notepad++ looks pretty similar to gedit
[09:54:26] <Bender> karma - notepad: 1
[09:54:36] <chromas> mspaint++
[09:54:36] <Bender> karma - mspaint: 1
[09:54:59] <crutchy> mspaint++ # kicks photoshop's ass
[09:54:59] <Bender> karma - mspaint: 2
[09:55:07] <ar> chromas: why not learn ruby and go?
[09:55:18] <ar> and let pascal go
[09:55:19] <ar> ;)
[09:55:26] <chromas> :'(
[09:55:31] <chromas> Pascal++ is awesome
[09:55:31] <Bender> karma - pascal: 34
[09:55:35] <crutchy> pascal++
[09:55:35] <Bender> karma - pascal: 35
[09:55:42] <chromas> Hanging on like we are to slash code
[09:55:44] <crutchy> ruby++ # for girls
[09:55:44] <Bender> karma - ruby: 2
[09:55:52] <crutchy> lmo oops
[09:55:57] <crutchy> ruby-- # for girls
[09:55:57] <Bender> karma - ruby: 1
[09:56:04] <ar> ruby++
[09:56:04] <Bender> karma - ruby: 2
[09:56:09] <ar> pascal--
[09:56:09] <Bender> karma - pascal: 34
[09:56:25] <crutchy> ruby seems even more bent than php
[09:56:44] <crutchy> well, maybe similar amount of beent
[09:56:45] * chromas wonders what the longest chain of method calls in Ruby is so far
[09:56:59] <ar> ruby is way more consistent than php
[09:57:17] <ar> and the interpreter doesn't segfault
[09:57:32] <crutchy> php segfaults?
[09:57:39] * crutchy never seen that
[09:57:45] <chromas> in real mode even; that's something
[09:57:53] <ar> i've seen it on numerous occassions
[09:58:18] <ar> that's because many php functions are just thin wrappers around C library calls
[09:58:41] <chromas> That means php has teh s peed
[09:58:42] <ar> and when they feed crap to the native functions, the native functions return crap
[09:58:45] <crutchy> php++ # c juiciness with scripting freedoms
[09:58:45] <Bender> karma - php: 6
[09:58:54] <ar> except it doesn't
[09:59:04] <ar> a php rewrite in python is actually faster than native php
[09:59:17] <chromas> python++
[09:59:17] <Bender> karma - python: 1
[09:59:44] <ar> because the mess that is php doesn't actually have a real parser and lexer
[09:59:53] <crutchy> hhvm++
[09:59:53] <Bender> karma - hhvm: 2
[09:59:58] <ar> hhvm--
[09:59:58] <Bender> karma - hhvm: 1
[10:00:08] <chromas> contradiction++
[10:00:08] <Bender> karma - contradiction: 1
[10:00:21] <crutchy> anything that can run wikipedia is fine by me :)
[10:00:23] <ar> not only is it slower than hippyvm, it's also somewhat inconsistent with php
[10:00:50] <chromas> ooh, I get to watch the initramfs get rebuilts
[10:01:03] * chromas also watches water evaporate
[10:01:28] * crutchy likes watching satellites fly over
[10:02:30] * chromas likes to watch…
[10:02:33] <crutchy> i think facecrap runs on php too?
[10:02:44] <chromas> yep
[10:02:49] <ar> they run on hhvm
[10:03:03] <crutchy> fb developed hhvm i think
[10:03:09] <ar> yup
[10:03:36] <chromas> need someone to dump moneys into ruby then
[10:03:39] <crutchy> if its good enough for wikipedia and fb it cant be that bad
[10:03:46] <Ethanol-fueled> LOL @ ruby for girls
[10:03:47] <ciri> lol that's funny!
[10:04:14] <Ethanol-fueled> i knew a woman who said that her first programming assignment was with ruby. She was sticky.
[10:04:33] <Ethanol-fueled> But she took the Cyberskin Transformer Penis Extender(TM) like a champ.
[10:04:58] <Ethanol-fueled> http://www.amazon.com
[10:05:17] <ar> wtf
[10:05:21] <Ethanol-fueled> She was yelling "OOOOUUUUUUGH" with it.
[10:05:26] <chromas> CTPE—wasn't that part of the launch code in Wargames?
[10:09:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:09:16] <Bender> karma - coffee: 936
[10:10:40] <ar> coffee--
[10:10:40] <Bender> karma - coffee: 935
[10:10:49] <crutchy> coffee++
[10:10:49] <Bender> karma - coffee: 936
[10:11:03] <crutchy> hows the fooshes?
[10:11:06] <chromas> coffee++ # for antagonism
[10:11:06] <Bender> karma - coffee: 937
[10:11:20] <ar> coffe--
[10:11:20] <Bender> karma - coffe: -1
[10:11:24] <ar> coffee--
[10:11:24] <Bender> karma - coffee: 936
[10:11:29] <ar> tea++
[10:11:29] <Bender> karma - tea: 73
[10:11:34] <crutchy> ~time chicago
[10:11:35] <exec> Saturday, 11 October 2014 @ 5:11 am CDT - Chicago, IL
[10:11:49] <ar> ~time
[10:11:51] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Saturday, 11 October 2014, 10:11 am
[10:12:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~weather
[10:12:02] <exec> Weather for Ada, OK - currrently 52°F / 11°C, light rain, wind N at 17 mph, humidity 100% - Saturday chance of storm (48°F-59°F / 9°C-15°C), Sunday chance of storm (55°F-75°F / 13°C-24°C), Monday chance of storm (50°F-70°F / 10°C-21°C), Tuesday clear (50°F-73°F / 10°C-23°C) - source: Google
[10:12:14] <ar> ~time-add ar Europe/Warsaw
[10:12:17] <ar> hm
[10:12:17] <exec> name "ar" set for location "Europe/Warsaw"
[10:12:20] <chromas> ~time coffeehater, teaup
[10:12:22] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Saturday, 11 October 2014, 10:12 am
[10:12:26] <ar> ~time
[10:12:27] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Saturday, 11 October 2014, 10:12 am
[10:13:00] <Ethanol-fueled> ~weather ethanol-fueled
[10:13:01] <exec> Weather for San Diego, CA - currrently 66°F / 19°C, mostly cloudy, wind N at 1 mph, humidity 89% - Saturday partly cloudy (64°F-77°F / 18°C-25°C), Sunday partly cloudy (64°F-81°F / 18°C-27°C), Monday partly cloudy (66°F-82°F / 19°C-28°C), Tuesday partly cloudy (64°F-77°F / 18°C-25°C) - source: Google
[10:13:01] <ar> exec-- # for failing at geography
[10:13:01] <Bender> karma - exec: 15
[10:13:16] <crutchy> ar, gotta be a location recognised by google
[10:13:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~weather warsaw, pl
[10:13:23] <exec> Weather for Warsaw, Poland - currrently 75°F / 24°C, clear, wind N at 0 mph, humidity 58% - Saturday partly cloudy (55°F-72°F / 13°C-22°C), Sunday partly cloudy (50°F-66°F / 10°C-19°C), Monday mostly cloudy (55°F-69°F / 13°C-21°C), Tuesday mostly cloudy (50°F-72°F / 10°C-22°C) - source: Google
[10:13:45] <Ethanol-fueled> You ain't no Polack, Buzzard.
[10:14:07] <chromas> apparently ar is; that's why he hates the coffee
[10:14:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> No but I like poland cause they got the same abbreviation as perl scripts
[10:15:43] <Ethanol-fueled> I want to drink more but have not the booze, and it is 3:18am here so I cannot buy more until 6.
[10:16:04] <Ethanol-fueled> only a half-glass of wine and some pot left.
[10:16:19] <chromas> that's what sleep is for
[10:16:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> which is fascism. what about the poor night workers whose day off it is?
[10:16:25] <crutchy> ~time warzaw ploland
[10:16:26] <exec> Saturday, 11 October 2014 @ 12:16 pm GMT+2 - Warsaw, Poland
[10:16:50] <chromas> ~time zoo.pl
[10:16:51] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Saturday, 11 October 2014, 10:16 am
[10:17:04] <crutchy> ~time spew yrok
[10:17:06] <exec> Saturday, 11 October 2014 @ 6:17 am EDT - New York, NY
[10:17:07] * Ethanol-fueled is drunk enough to listen to Christian rock
[10:17:08] <Ethanol-fueled> http://www.youtube.com
[10:17:09] <NetCraft> ^ 034 Runner - Cain's Blood - YouTube
[10:17:27] <chromas> Ethanol-fueled: it's just cockrock with a few words changed
[10:17:39] <ar> chromas: myself being a pole has nothing to do with my coffee preferences
[10:18:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> try ~time-add warsaw, pl
[10:18:13] <chromas> You hate it do much you decrement other people's variables
[10:18:14] <ar> ~time-add ar warsaw, pl
[10:18:17] <exec> name "ar" set for location "warsaw, pl"
[10:18:19] <crutchy> ~time chrikago
[10:18:20] <exec> Saturday, 11 October 2014 @ 5:18 am CDT - Chicago, IL
[10:18:27] <ar> ~time
[10:18:28] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Saturday, 11 October 2014, 10:18 am
[10:18:36] <ar> ~time-remove ar
[10:18:36] <crutchy> aw
[10:18:38] <ar> ~time-remove ar
[10:18:39] <chromas> thought they shared locations
[10:18:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> ok exec, you is teh fail
[10:18:57] <crutchy> exec-- # cos you te suck
[10:18:57] <Bender> karma - exec: 14
[10:19:05] <crutchy> ~location ar
[10:19:05] <exec> *** location "ar" = "warsaw, pl"
[10:19:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~weather ar
[10:19:25] <exec> Weather for Warsaw, Poland - currrently 75°F / 24°C, clear, wind N at 0 mph, humidity 58% - Saturday partly cloudy (55°F-72°F / 13°C-22°C), Sunday partly cloudy (50°F-66°F / 10°C-19°C), Monday mostly cloudy (55°F-69°F / 13°C-21°C), Tuesday mostly cloudy (50°F-72°F / 10°C-22°C) - source: Google
[10:19:31] <ar> ~time
[10:19:32] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Saturday, 11 October 2014, 10:19 am
[10:19:34] <ar> :<
[10:19:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> well weather works, what's up with time?
[10:19:40] <crutchy> ~time ar
[10:19:41] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Saturday, 11 October 2014, 10:19 am
[10:19:45] <crutchy> its gay
[10:20:02] <chromas> exec needs moar coffee and php
[10:20:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> exec needs some pl
[10:20:33] <crutchy> poland?
[10:20:34] <chromas> it has support for pl scripts
[10:20:38] <crutchy> shh
[10:20:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> perl n poland both
[10:20:50] <chromas> pl script is the written language of Poland
[10:20:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's obviously racist
[10:21:12] <Ethanol-fueled> ONly a Polack would endorse perl.
[10:21:28] <Ethanol-fueled> they're teh same people who invented the screen door on the submarine.
[10:21:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> nuh uh. kraut/waggon burners dig it too
[10:21:49] <crutchy> exec prolly could do ruby scripts too, but i'm not game to try
[10:22:06] <chromas> hey that means ar could write something for it
[10:22:26] <chromas> exec needs a script from everyone
[10:22:32] <ar> exec needs less coffee and php
[10:22:34] <chromas> everyone, hand in your papers
[10:22:40] <ar> maybe with tea and ruby it would work
[10:22:59] <chromas> tea is asian coffee
[10:23:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> ruby, that's like perl for people who can't read perl, yeah?
[10:23:23] <crutchy> so we're all agreed that ~time should be rewritten in ruby and ~weather in perl
[10:23:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> sounds good
[10:23:43] <ar> ruby is for people who value their time
[10:23:48] <chromas> Ethanol-fueled can write something in Python because it has lots of extensions
[10:23:54] <crutchy> lol
[10:24:01] <crutchy> yeah i think python works too
[10:24:01] <chromas> ar: except furing execution
[10:24:06] <crutchy> even haskell for arti
[10:24:25] <crutchy> and bash for Konomi
[10:24:55] <crutchy> we could have scripts runnin all over the place
[10:24:57] <chromas> I hurd Ruby's slow; now I haven't studied or tested it but it's my understanding that parroting is the kewl
[10:25:34] <ar> also, my ruby statusbar thingy for dwm now can listen on a tcp port with repl
[10:25:37] <ar> https://github.com
[10:25:38] <NetCraft> ^ 03arachnist/dsd · GitHub
[10:25:48] <ar> https://github.com
[10:26:25] <crutchy> ooh another repo to add to the feed possibly?
[10:26:33] <ar> if you want to
[10:26:52] <crutchy> we likes to watch
[10:28:13] <crutchy> really need to tidy up that feed code. its pretty ordinary
[10:28:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, to answer the way earlier question i tried to answer with the weather... fishin's sposed to be shite by the forecast and it's raining.
[10:28:25] <chromas> put a bird on it
[10:29:06] <crutchy> fooshin in the rain is drab
[10:29:32] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[10:29:32] <NetCraft> ^ 03Portlandia - Put A Bird On It! - YouTube
[10:30:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> still going, mind you. just not expecting happy fun times like it was last week.
[10:30:40] <Ethanol-fueled> mm, fish.
[10:31:13] <Ethanol-fueled> the local Gook joint has a dish called "sizzling fish" served with the bone in.
[10:31:32] <chromas> that's so you don't have to put your own in
[10:31:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> and you lurve the bone in
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[10:32:01] <Ethanol-fueled> The Brown menace's women serve the fish whole.
[10:32:14] <Ethanol-fueled> And they eat the eyeballs.
[10:32:45] * Ethanol-fueled has never eaten a better fish than what the Brown menace prepared.
[10:32:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> they're just showin off to make you feel like a pansy
[10:32:58] <keplr> "In preparing for battle I have always found that plans are useless, but planning is indespinsible."
[10:33:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, keplr
[10:33:26] <keplr> Early mornin' TheMightyBuzzard
[10:33:36] <Ethanol-fueled> keplr, keep up the fight.
[10:34:04] <keplr> That was Eisenhower
[10:34:27] * TheMightyBuzzard likes Ike
[10:35:16] <keplr> I like Ike, too. And yet people call me a socialist. I don't get it.
[10:35:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> well are ya a socialist?
[10:35:57] <Ethanol-fueled> keplr, the people calling you "socialist" in a derrogatory manner don't know what socialism is.
[10:36:18] <keplr> This, I also believe
[10:36:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> socialism is communism with less guns
[10:36:38] <Ethanol-fueled> what America needs is NATIONAL SOCIALISM.
[10:36:41] <keplr> I enjoy our exchanges on SN, btw
[10:36:46] <crutchy> http://www.youtube.com
[10:36:46] <NetCraft> ^ 03South park - Kick The Baby! (Kyle & Ike) - YouTube
[10:36:50] * TheMightyBuzzard eyes Ethanol-fueled
[10:37:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ethanol-fueled, go back to racial slurs. they're less offensive.
[10:38:06] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard, I'm only a lowly pissant. If you have beef with national socialism, you should have a chat with those who dictate American forgeign policy.
[10:38:16] <Ethanol-fueled> American exceptionalism etc.
[10:38:59] <crutchy> chuck norris for president!
[10:39:19] <keplr> Almost all political disputes would be resolved by the comprehension of the two-axis political compass.
[10:39:19] <chromas> isn't he a religious nut now?
[10:39:30] <Ethanol-fueled> American foreign policy in the last ten years is like watching the rise of Nazi Germany in slow motion.
[10:39:39] <crutchy> if he is he'd fit right in
[10:39:48] <keplr> We aren't even close to that yet
[10:39:52] <crutchy> but nobody would dare fuck with america then
[10:39:58] <chromas> Ethanol-fueled: except we're supporting the jews this time
[10:40:33] <Ethanol-fueled> chromas: that's our trump card. To oppose American interests would be pro-genocide and racist.
[10:40:39] <crutchy> you're busy supporting nutbags in syria and bombing the same nutbags in iraq
[10:40:53] <ar> i'm pro-genocide
[10:40:57] <paulej72> muslims are the new jews
[10:41:01] <ar> there are too many people living on earth
[10:41:03] <Ethanol-fueled> ar, so am I.
[10:41:06] <crutchy> people are cunts
[10:41:25] <keplr> I'm anti-theocracy. Islam just happens to be the most dangerous theocratic movement today.
[10:41:39] <Ethanol-fueled> hear, hear keplr.
[10:41:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ethanol-fueled, foreign policy has little to do with socialism. socialism dictates how you run internally.
[10:42:42] <Ethanol-fueled> social welfare for the corporations, capitalism among the common-man and for what little resources are left.
[10:42:46] <keplr> And as a leftist, it's hard to find allies who will support my opposition to fundamentalist Islam.
[10:42:48] <crutchy> i reckon china gunna own you guys eventually
[10:42:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> it just so happens the kind of cunts who like to push socialism on their people are the same type of greedy cunts who like oppressing folks outside their borders too.
[10:43:00] <Ethanol-fueled> keplr: FUCK ISLAM.
[10:43:06] <crutchy> prolly gunna own straya too
[10:43:57] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, but religious kookery sells weapons like nothing else
[10:44:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean, if you like telling others what to do with the threat of force to back you up, socialism is your pigeon.
[10:44:54] <keplr> Yet I like the idea of taxes to pay for huge social projects. I want a damn space elevator and I'm willing to make everyone pay for it.
[10:45:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, nah. we're way more armed than the islamic world regardless of religious demographics.
[10:45:38] <crutchy> tmb, the confusion comes about with what force is; nutjobs on both sides will accuse the other side of forcing, but still expects people to live within their restrictions
[10:45:50] <keplr> I will make allies with The Right if they are willing to fight religion. I won't put up with authoritarianism.
[10:46:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> keplr, consider that taxes are taken by force. you're digging on taking money from folks pockets with the threat of imprisonment or death for your pet projects.
[10:46:46] <keplr> TheMightyBuzzard: but those people benefit from society in so many ways. Show me a man who is really an island.
[10:47:05] <Ethanol-fueled> http://www.huffingtonpost.com
[10:47:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> doesn't matter. a person who isn't free to shoot themselves in the foot is not free at all
[10:47:30] <Ethanol-fueled> When even Antonin Scalia is suggesting a popular revolt with regard to taxes, you know shit's really fucked up.
[10:47:39] <keplr> The break I have with libertarianism is that I believe it is possible for people to value the wrong things.
[10:47:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ethanol-fueled, true dat.
[10:47:51] <crutchy> problem is a lot of people don't pay taxes but still benefit
[10:48:03] <keplr> Some ideas are bad to have, even if you think they make you happy and are good
[10:48:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> keplr, right but see above. i value freedom above prosperity or "advancement".
[10:48:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> plus you're sounding very thought policey there
[10:48:59] <keplr> I don't value freedom above all else. If absolute freedom resulted in less happiness, I wouldn't be for it.
[10:49:02] <crutchy> keplr, libertarianism isn't about forcing people; it's about stopping government from forcing people
[10:49:04] <keplr> A war of all against all is bad
[10:49:22] <Ethanol-fueled> keplr - but that's the beauty of libery - you are free to value the wrong things as long as you don't fuck with me.
[10:49:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> keplr, welcome to the democratic process and humanity in general
[10:49:46] <Ethanol-fueled> People value the wrong things anyway. They always will. And who is the arbiter of right and wrong anyway?
[10:49:46] <keplr> But everyone's actions impact me.
[10:50:18] <crutchy> i guess to be fair, america is on a path as one of the most free and democratic nations in history, and this is the path it has chosen
[10:50:48] <keplr> There's a good middle ground that makes society work for the most common circumstances; and it's always evolving.
[10:50:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> and your actions impact me. should i be free to have you imprisoned for advocating jacking with my liberty as you're free to have me imprisoned for not wanting to pay for your social causes?
[10:50:52] <keplr> I'm happy to ride that wave.
[10:51:03] <crutchy> nobody forces the voters to turn up to poll booths
[10:51:04] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, America has become inflicted with an illness. Big money dictates policy.
[10:51:42] <keplr> crutchy: yet we have massive data that shows the amount of money spent on a campaign directly impacts if it will succeed.
[10:51:48] <crutchy> Ethanol-fueled, true, but isn't that just a consequence of freedom? what's the alternative?
[10:52:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> keplr, truth. look at obama.
[10:52:18] <crutchy> people with lots of money have been free to corrupt government
[10:52:26] <keplr> I'm a leftist and I hate Obama.
[10:52:32] <crutchy> they have used their freedom to benefit themselves
[10:52:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> was an example of huge war chests
[10:52:45] <keplr> Obama is a moderate, pro-business, Democrat.
[10:52:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> ?!
[10:53:17] <keplr> He caved on every liberal issue
[10:53:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> dude if he's moderate ima buy more ammo and a long range rifle if a real democrat ever gets elected
[10:53:37] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, unfortunately you are right. The freedom to be politically apathetic has allowed powerful interests to deprive Americans of their riches and rights.
[10:53:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, he just lied
[10:53:41] <crutchy> he's pro business alright. health insurance companies in the obamacare system are rubbing their hands together waiting for returns on their campaign investments
[10:53:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> he's really a politician before a liberal
[10:54:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> but liberal he doth be as well
[10:54:34] <Ethanol-fueled> This is why being free only matters if the population is involved.
[10:54:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> just values power over ideals like all good tyrants
[10:55:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> which, really, is all you're ever going to get in a national ruler.
[10:55:36] <Ethanol-fueled> The Greeks were big on civic duty. Those who did not participate were called Idiota
[10:55:56] <keplr> My liberal friends don't understand why I spend weekends at the rifle range. My conservative friends don't understand why I want universal healthcare.
[10:55:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ethanol-fueled, how'd that work out for them?
[10:56:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> keplr, ya man. you're in a weird spot there. valuing liberty with one hand and pouring gasoline on it with the other.
[10:56:55] <crutchy> tyranny is probably part of a natural cycle of sorts. part of human nature. if you've grown up in a free and prosperous society its natural to take it for granted. tyranny takes advantage of that, and when people are exposed to tyranny they revolt, live through hardships, and then when they eventually get their freedom back they appreciate it a little more
[10:56:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> the ideals there, they are not consistent.
[10:57:13] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard, on a long-enough timeline the survival rate for everybody drops to zero.
[10:57:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ethanol-fueled, s'a good movie
[10:57:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> and also, you are jack's spastic colon
[10:58:01] <keplr> It's just a matter of scale.
[10:58:13] <crutchy> i'm pretty sure what's going on in the middle east isn't all religious. people no doubt turn to religion over there for comfort and community, but they're fighting for freedom and survival too
[10:58:33] <keplr> This country has 300+ million people. We cannot organize a healthcare system that is humane and fair without pooling resources.
[10:58:39] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy: people in the middle-ease are religious for compulsory reasons.
[10:58:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, you're on the drugs. what's going on over there is 100% about following the letter of their religion.
[10:59:02] <keplr> I'm fine with taxes, I just want them to be used well.
[10:59:12] <Ethanol-fueled> probably a lot of atheist heathens who go through the motions as a matter of survival.
[10:59:30] <keplr> Atheist catholic here
[10:59:35] <crutchy> Ethanol-fueled, i dunno about that. the media portrays it that way, and i'm sure religion plays a big part, but not in the same way as religion in the US
[10:59:37] * Ethanol-fueled excuses himself to use drugs
[11:00:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm a follower of the great and powerful GOAT. made up deity of arse kicking, bloody-minded stubbornness, and enjoyment of life.
[11:00:19] <keplr> I had a big exchange on SN about Isla
[11:00:22] <keplr> *Islam
[11:00:32] <keplr> Wasn't well received
[11:00:38] <crutchy> keplr, i woulddn't worry about your taxes. they're a small portion of a huge and growing debt that will never be repaid
[11:01:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy: s/will/can/
[11:01:11] <SedBot9000> <TheMightyBuzzard> <crutchy> keplr, i woulddn't worry about your taxes. they're a small portion of a huge and growing debt that can never be repaid
[11:01:23] <keplr> crutchy: Most people don't understand how debt works. It's not literally my problem as an individual
[11:01:46] <crutchy> china will eventually become your repo man
[11:01:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> except it is. it directly affects the money in your pocket and its purchasing power.
[11:02:01] <Ethanol-fueled> aaaah, pot. A gift from ye gods.
[11:02:13] <keplr> "Reality is that which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Philip K. Dick
[11:02:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ethanol-fueled, that stuff makes you stupid.
[11:02:23] <crutchy> makes?
[11:02:26] <keplr> All that money isn't real.
[11:02:27] <crutchy> :p
[11:02:27] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard: it does.
[11:02:52] <crutchy> keplr, it is for the chinese working their asses off making real stuff that gets exported to the US
[11:02:55] <Ethanol-fueled> no denyin' that, got the short-term memory of a goldfish thankstoit
[11:03:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> seriously, friend of mine what had like a 160 iq is dumber than a fence post after long term use.
[11:03:13] <keplr> crutchy: Their economy is based on lies as much as ours is
[11:03:21] <keplr> See their ghost cities and dead malls.
[11:03:36] <chromas> we used to have a mall :(
[11:03:44] <keplr> They need our dollars more than we need their cheap plastic crap.
[11:03:52] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard: I don't work for Lawrence Livermore. I couldn't give less of a shit how marry-ja-wanna affects my brain.
[11:03:57] <crutchy> i have seen those. poor planning maybe, but not economic lies
[11:04:06] <crutchy> china's economy is real
[11:04:17] <crutchy> cos the results are felt everywhere
[11:04:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ethanol-fueled, i couldn't deal with being dumb. as much as being smart enough to see through bullshit is painful, the alternative is worse.
[11:04:37] <crutchy> look on a bunch of stuff in your house and tell me you cant find something made in china
[11:04:44] <keplr> When you owe the bank $1,000 and can't pay you have a problem. When you owe the bank $1,000,000,000,000 and can't pay, the BANK has a problem
[11:05:15] <crutchy> yeah, problem is if you have 1,000,000,000,000 worth of stuff, the bank will still reposess it
[11:05:26] <crutchy> land is stuff
[11:05:27] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard - weed doesn't affect your ability to see through bullshit. IN fact, it sensitizes one to bullshit and makes it funner.
[11:05:35] <chromas> we send it back when we're done with it, then they burn it for heat
[11:05:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway. the fooshes, they is call to me.
[11:05:43] <keplr> crutchy: try and take it, see how that works out
[11:05:56] <Ethanol-fueled> Good luck buzzard.
[11:05:58] <crutchy> i wont but china eventually will i think
[11:06:31] <crutchy> the US military is only powerful as long as there are men to maintain it with stuff that comes from china
[11:06:54] <crutchy> if china put sanctions on the US, you guys would be fucked
[11:06:58] <keplr> Most people in the US military hate foreign influence
[11:07:35] <keplr> I have many in my family
[11:07:51] <keplr> These people can not be counted on to sell out the US public
[11:08:05] <crutchy> might hate it, but china is still bankrolling a decent chunk of it
[11:08:23] <keplr> It's all fake. It's just numbers in a computer
[11:08:23] <crutchy> though decresing i think
[11:08:48] <crutchy> when you buy a home its numbers in a computer, but that doesn't make it fake
[11:09:01] <crutchy> there is still a transaction
[11:09:18] <keplr> We have the natural resources. We have the expertise. We have the land. We have the capital.
[11:09:26] <keplr> We can make everything we need if necessary.
[11:09:35] <crutchy> china buys US treasuries to help pay the salaries of US military personnel
[11:09:36] <keplr> We don't because letting China do it is cheaper
[11:10:22] <keplr> China needs us more than we need them.
[11:10:37] <keplr> But they are using the situation to their advantage
[11:10:58] <crutchy> china is a country of over a billion people, neighbouring a large proportion of the world's population. china doesn't need the US
[11:11:50] <crutchy> US companies are trying desperately to get into china because it is the future consumer powerhouse
[11:12:30] <crutchy> damn this sounds really depressing :/
[11:12:34] <crutchy> sorry
[11:13:36] <chromas> we'll just invade Australia and sell you guys to the Chinese to keep them off our back
[11:13:52] <crutchy> we already sold ourselves
[11:14:12] <crutchy> china owned us long ago by merely buying us out :/
[11:15:31] <Ethanol-fueled> we need eugenics and extermination.
[11:15:31] <crutchy> i know we got anzus treaty, but tbh in USA vs china i wouldn't assume australia to be on US side
[11:16:02] <crutchy> powerful chinese business interests here
[11:16:15] <chromas> we'll team up with Russia
[11:16:26] <chromas> and run Operation Get Behind the New Yorkers
[11:16:31] <crutchy> lol
[11:19:55] <keplr> The Pentium 20th year celebration made me feel old for the first time
[11:21:27] <crutchy> i remember getting freebie p4 machines from work thinking 'oh wow p4s!' then bringing them home, turning them on and thinking 'hmm they don't run as fast as other machines i use'
[11:21:57] <chromas> they had norton
[11:23:25] <crutchy> ~time-add ar warsaw, poland
[11:23:27] <exec> name "ar" set for location "warsaw, poland"
[11:23:34] <crutchy> ~time ar
[11:23:35] <exec> Saturday, 11 October 2014 @ 1:23 pm GMT+2 - Warsaw, Poland
[11:23:43] <chromas> crutchy++
[11:23:43] <Bender> karma - crutchy: 106
[11:23:47] <crutchy> stupid google
[11:23:56] <crutchy> didn't like "pl"
[11:24:16] <crutchy> google is anti-perl!
[11:24:24] <chromas> as it should be
[11:24:48] <chromas> pascal++ forever!!1two
[11:24:48] <Bender> karma - pascal: 35
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[11:25:16] <crutchy> ar, it gets time from the box that shows up in a google search page for "time $location"
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[11:30:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Polywell Submitted arXiv Preprint June 2014 - http://sylnt.us - more-better-power?
[11:49:17] <crutchy> gotta love the combination of the music and the expression here: http://www.youtube.com
[11:49:17] <NetCraft> ^ 03PewDiePie Finds Out How Gravity Works - YouTube
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[12:36:14] <paulej72> crap, I fugured out why quotes are encoded for submission titles. Someone thought it was appropriate to pass the title in as a get var in the url to a submission. If we do not excape the quotes strange things will happen to the code as the <a href”xxxx”> wil break because it hits a “ early
[12:36:59] <paulej72> I am going to have to keep the encode in place unleess we convert it to unicode smart quote
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[14:50:42] <ar> Dell T630 for desktop/workstation. Good idea/bad idea?
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[15:58:07] <paulej72> good news I finally got that sub title bug fix
[15:58:09] <paulej72> ed
[15:59:01] <paulej72> Now I just need to clean it up properly
[16:06:14] <Konomi> clean it with fire?
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[21:43:46] <crutchy> github feed seems to be working
[21:44:59] <chromas> crutchy++
[21:44:59] <Bender> karma - crutchy: 107
[21:50:04] <crutchy> bugger. bug in the pull request. showing "Array" insteal of link :/
[21:50:20] <crutchy> crutchy--
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[22:11:43] <arti> crutchy++
[22:11:43] <Bender> karma - crutchy: 108
[22:32:06] <crutchy> coffee++
[22:32:06] <Bender> karma - coffee: 937
[22:58:24] <mrcoolbp> http://madebyevan.com
[22:58:38] <crutchy> mornin' mrcoolbp
[22:58:41] <mrcoolbp> ~title http://madebyevan.com
[22:58:43] <crutchy> or eenin
[22:58:49] <mrcoolbp> e'enin' for me
[22:59:06] <mrcoolbp> but yeah, good $timesegment to you too = )
[22:59:15] <mrcoolbp> er g'day crutchy
[22:59:34] * mrcoolbp binds "g'day crutchy" to his "AnyKey"
[23:00:12] <crutchy> hmm prolly should allow anyone to use ~title
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[23:00:32] <crutchy> ~rehash
[23:00:32] <exec> successfully reloaded exec file (93 aliases)
[23:01:02] <mrcoolbp> ~title http://madebyevan.com
[23:01:05] <exec> title exists in url
[23:01:06] <chromas> needs moar aliases
[23:01:12] <mrcoolbp> lol
[23:01:28] <crutchy> hmm well i guess it does
[23:01:43] * mrcoolbp is spoiled by not having to look at the title bar
[23:03:16] <chromas> the ball only has vertical inertia :'(
[23:03:27] <chromas> still spiffy
[23:03:40] * chromas gives tama a load of spiff
[23:04:15] <crutchy> i can't use it in my old iceweasel
[23:04:55] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[23:04:55] <NetCraft> ^ 03Background Music Instrumentals - relaxdaily - B-Sides N°1 - YouTube
[23:05:38] <crutchy> nice sunday mornin coffee drinkin chattin codin music :)
[23:06:26] <mrcoolbp> nice just got home from work music too after 3 nights of 4hrs sleep and 11hr work days = )
[23:06:39] <paulej72> it is sat night here
[23:06:44] * mrcoolbp cranks it up and sports devil horns
[23:07:12] <paulej72> bang your head, wake the dead
[23:07:16] * mrcoolbp tips hat to paulej72 whils't still makin' devil horns with other hand rockin' out to soft classic music
[23:07:44] <paulej72> lol
[23:07:57] <crutchy> saw your pull request pj. very detailed
[23:08:12] <paulej72> was feeling verbose
[23:09:54] <paulej72> i swear i tried the same filter when i first tried to fix that bug and it did not work. i guess i did not apply it in enough places
[23:10:18] <crutchy> i'm still learning git, but it looks like you made a bunch of commits and then tmb pushed them
[23:10:32] <paulej72> yes
[23:11:39] * crutchy needs to read up on how commits work
[23:11:41] <paulej72> i also had an almost i dentical branch that had the same end point, but wandered all over fuck to find the solution
[23:11:42] <mrcoolbp> we try to second-check everything around (stories, code, communication w/ community) here, doesn't always happen but we try
[23:12:27] <paulej72> i did not pull that one as i did not want all that cruft in the history
[23:13:15] * paulej72 made a new branch and fixed it up with the working fixes.
[23:13:50] <crutchy> so the commit messages were part of the code in the 'verbose' pull request?
[23:14:20] <paulej72> i did mange to fix two other issues along with the double quotes in titles bug
[23:14:41] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: we plan on rolling out the "stories-to-be-posted-visibility" to "everyone" eventually right?
[23:15:26] <crutchy> oh yeah you have a bunch of push events in there too. dunno why i didn't notice them :/
[23:16:14] <paulej72> each commit can have its own comment, but these did not. my pull request had the big comment. some of my other pull requests had lots of commit comments that i manually pull toghter into the pull request comment
[23:16:34] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: probably
[23:16:38] <mrcoolbp> cool, thanks.
[23:16:40] * mrcoolbp is replying to "gewg"
[23:16:45] <crutchy> sorry just trying to wrap my head around the api events
[23:17:00] <paulej72> unless it gits him to creat an account
[23:17:14] <paulej72> np crutchy
[23:17:34] <crutchy> there were a bunch of pushes to your personal repo, then a pull request that only included some of them looks like
[23:17:44] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: I doubt that
[23:18:17] <crutchy> is gewg the one that likes having a go at the eds?
[23:18:47] <mrcoolbp> he's not always pleased with our decisions
[23:19:00] <paulej72> because i develop the code on a differnt macine than slash is on, i tend to commit a lot so i can pull that branch on the slash machine and deploy
[23:19:44] <paulej72> gewg is a semi ac, as he is ac, but signs his name to the posts
[23:19:54] <mrcoolbp> ^^^
[23:20:14] * juggs cranks the music up
[23:20:21] * mrcoolbp headbangs
[23:20:39] <crutchy> hey juggs. i'm just playing mine on my lappy. pretty quiet here today
[23:20:50] <paulej72> does not want to go full account even though it can be as anonymous as he currently uses slash
[23:21:28] <crutchy> each to their own i guess
[23:21:37] <crutchy> i like writing journals
[23:21:54] <crutchy> so i log in for those, but otherwise i'm happy browsing ac
[23:21:55] <paulej72> i like readin them
[23:22:05] <juggs> hey crutchy - have my ickle server hooked up to my amp and use mpd to play stuff out - nice being able to control the tunes from multiple devices :D
[23:25:19] <crutchy> i wish i could journal about my work project cos its much more interesting than my little bot thingy, but even though i developed most of it in my own time its owned by my employer cos its work related so i'm gagged to a certain extent
[23:25:55] <crutchy> legal shit blows
[23:26:24] <chromas> That's why you post as AC
[23:26:31] <chromas> AC journals
[23:28:19] <crutchy> id like to write a conference paper on it too, but i think my boss wants to keep it under wraps a bit
[23:29:25] <crutchy> coffee++
[23:29:25] <Bender> karma - coffee: 938
[23:29:53] <crutchy> ~last xlefay
[23:30:20] <crutchy> this one will take a while
[23:30:22] <exec> last privmsg for xlefay in #soylent: [2014-09-02 08:16:21] I need to eat some and get some sleep. I'll tty'all later ;-) Take care!
[23:30:39] <chromas> ~last kobach
[23:30:55] <exec> last privmsg for kobach in #soylent: [2014-07-21 22:22:51] i have better shit to do on this network than babyshit you
[23:30:58] <crutchy> team bacon
[23:31:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Reactions when Users Find Bugs in Your Software - http://sylnt.us - arachnephobia
[23:32:00] <crutchy> is that spelled right?
[23:32:12] <crutchy> ~define arachnephobia
[23:32:19] <exec> [wikipedia] 3Arachnephobia: Arachnophobia or arachnephobia (from the Greek: ἀράχνη, aráchnē, "spider" and φόβος, phóbos, "fear") is a specific phobia, the fear of spiders and other arachnids such as scorpions.[1]
[23:32:32] <chromas> s/e/o/7
[23:32:44] <crutchy> looks like can be either
[23:32:49] <paulej72> we just say it wrong
[23:33:14] <chromas> I bet slash has lots of scorpions
[23:33:28] <chromas> and bears
[23:33:41] <crutchy> and bearded ones
[23:34:07] <paulej72> when a user finds a bug in your code kick and sceam and then go hide in the corner
[23:34:35] <crutchy> nah you just tell em they're holding it wrong and that bending is a feature
[23:34:54] <paulej72> or deny then like systemd
[23:35:20] <paulej72> wonder if there is a systemd comment yet on that story
[23:35:25] <crutchy> lol
[23:35:36] * crutchy contemplates adding one :p
[23:35:49] <chromas> Do it for ten internets
[23:36:14] <crutchy> i dunno enough about systemd to be able to comment
[23:36:15] <juggs> EWONTFIX
[23:36:39] <crutchy> i could just do a 'fuck systemd' comment
[23:36:42] <chromas> crutchy: that means it will fit in with all the others
[23:37:08] <juggs> yay for group think and echo chambers
[23:37:35] <chromas> echolalia
[23:37:37] <chromas> echolabia
[23:38:06] <crutchy> is that another name for a big empty box?
[23:39:29] <crutchy> ooh?
[23:39:30] <crutchy> http://soylentnews.org
[23:39:31] <NetCraft> ^ 04SN comment by Anonymous Coward
[23:41:03] <chromas> "I am led to believe that it insults the wrong password"
[23:41:32] <crutchy> you shouldn't insult passwords. that's just mean
[23:41:42] <crutchy> s/ul/al/
[23:41:42] <SedBot9000> <crutchy> you shoaldn't insult passwords. that's just mean
[23:41:49] <chromas> yeah well your password is a butt
[23:41:55] <crutchy> s/ul/al/2
[23:41:55] <SedBot9000> <crutchy> you shouldn't insalt passwords. that's just mean
[23:42:39] <crutchy> khyber?
[23:43:14] <crutchy> if its right it does look like a legit concern
[23:43:33] <crutchy> any kind of cleartext password logging is bad
[23:43:43] <crutchy> even if they're failed attempts
[23:45:08] <chromas> true, although it's okay as long as only bots read it because they don't know which part of the password is wrong
[23:46:27] <chromas> but what is $password_wrong actually filled with?
[23:46:31] -!- SpallsHurgenson [SpallsHurgenson!~SpallsHur@giox-30-341-832-84.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has joined #Soylent
[23:46:39] <crutchy> if you queried by ip and found a few similar it might make it easier
[23:47:15] <juggs> but why log the the badpassword at all? I can see logging failed attempts per userid for rate limiting or whatever as being useful. But a one character typo in a password for a lot of users' passwords would make the actual password simple to construct.
[23:47:30] <crutchy> yeah
[23:47:46] <chromas> for humans
[23:47:47] <crutchy> logging_failed_login_passwords--
[23:47:47] <Bender> karma - logging_failed_login_passwords: -1
[23:47:48] <juggs> failed attempts per ip would be sensible as well even if it is across multiple accounts.
[23:48:16] <crutchy> maybe log everything except the password
[23:49:16] <juggs> chromas, humans v bots - not sure what difference that makes :/ There's good reason passwords are salted and hashed to be stored. Keeping a table of close but not quite typo'd passwords seems like a bad idea to me.
[23:49:42] <chromas> because it would be harder for a robot to tell that it's only one character off or which one it is
[23:49:54] <juggs> I expect the larger brained ones will be along to explain the reasoning :D
[23:49:56] * crutchy raises motion to delete password field in badpasswords table
[23:50:09] * chromas seconds
[23:51:04] <juggs> chromas, the concern is for when the db gets lifted by an evil one. The badpasswords table becomes a nice little seed for some reduced rainbow tabling for the included accounts.
[23:51:58] * crutchy tables motion to replace the badpasswords table with a badpasswords chair
[23:52:15] * crutchy motions to table the chair
[23:52:53] <SpallsHurgenson> 0_o
[23:53:07] <crutchy> gday SpallsHurgenson
[23:53:13] * juggs leaves motions on both the chair and the table then tables a further motion to adjourn the meeting to the pub due to the bad stench.
[23:53:17] <chromas> mid_1990s--
[23:53:17] <Bender> karma - mid_1990s: -1
[23:53:30] <SpallsHurgenson> 1980s++
[23:53:30] <Bender> karma - 1980s: 1
[23:53:36] <chromas> Ask Soylent: Why did things in the mid '90s get "my" in the names?
[23:53:50] <SpallsHurgenson> really, 1? 1?!?!?!? The '80s only have one karma point?!?
[23:53:53] <chromas> mysql, my computer, my (perl) variables
[23:53:55] <SpallsHurgenson> 1980s++
[23:53:55] <Bender> karma - 1980s: 2
[23:53:56] <SpallsHurgenson> 1980s++
[23:53:57] <Bender> karma - 1980s: 3
[23:53:57] <SpallsHurgenson> 1980s++
[23:53:58] <Bender> karma - 1980s: 4
[23:54:11] <juggs> lol 1990s? I signed up with a recruitment site the other day - the welcome mail included my username and password. In fecking 2014 dicks are still storing passwords in the clear.
[23:54:11] <SpallsHurgenson> there, that's better :)
[23:54:34] <chromas> dicks--
[23:54:34] <Bender> karma - dicks: -1
[23:54:55] <crutchy> juggs, and transmitting them using smtp. sounds pretty shonky
[23:55:09] <chromas> I just don't like all the "my" from back then. Sounds campy/cheesy/corny/other-foody
[23:55:31] <juggs> exactly. Thankfully I use unique passwords for everything, else I would be fecking livid.
[23:55:52] <chromas> Did you try changing it after that only to find they send you the new one too?
[23:56:02] <crutchy> cos we owned our computers back then. we had 'my computer' and 'my documents'. now we don't own them any more so its just 'computer' and 'documents'
[23:56:15] <SpallsHurgenson> my password is *******
[23:56:23] <juggs> that's a thought chromas - will try it in a moment, I need nicotine now
[23:56:26] <crutchy> dammit that's the same as mine!
[23:56:48] * crutchy wonders if passwords can be protected by copyright
[23:56:51] <chromas> SpallsHurgenson: all I see is 💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩
[23:57:03] <chromas> too short, crutchy
[23:57:21] <SpallsHurgenson> chromas: wow, what you see is a letter longer than what I typed :)
[23:57:25] <chromas> trademarks
[23:57:25] <crutchy> maybe trademarked then?
[23:57:31] <crutchy> lol
[23:57:31] <ciri> rofl
[23:57:33] <chromas> of course, then it's not a secret
[23:57:42] <chromas> secret_trademarks++
[23:57:42] <Bender> karma - secret_trademarks: 1
[23:57:44] <crutchy> great minds think the same stupid shit :D
[23:59:12] <crutchy> the hint phrase for my password is 'it's full of stars!'
[23:59:28] <SpallsHurgenson> TMA-2
[23:59:39] <chromas> so the password is hell
[23:59:54] <chromas> hell32.dll