#Soylent | Logs for 2014-08-22

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[00:03:36] <SpallsHurgenson> while I doubt its accuracy, still neat :) http://pennystocks.la
[00:03:36] <monopoly> ^ 03The Internet in Real-Time
[00:04:58] <chromas> looks like windows
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[00:05:53] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v TheMightyLaptop] by juggler
[00:06:23] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: FYI: board meeting in #staff going on now
[00:06:44] <TheMightyLaptop> been going for an hour, yeah?
[00:07:13] <SpallsHurgenson> oooh, a meeting every day! that's a sign of a good business :)
[00:07:33] <TheMightyLaptop> nah, need at least four a day
[00:07:45] <TheMightyLaptop> otherwise you might get some work done
[00:08:07] <SpallsHurgenson> yes, but soylent meetings are four hours long
[00:08:41] <Bytram> LOL! been there, in spades. Finally forced mgmt to allow us to veto if scheduled for more than one meeting in the am and one in the pm.
[00:09:40] <SpallsHurgenson> in business, you don't WANT the managers doing any real work; that's what meetings were invented in the first place :)
[00:09:56] <TheMightyLaptop> and solitaire
[00:10:47] <juggs> managers' main role should be protecting their staff from outside interruption and ridiculous demands from other parts of the business.
[00:11:02] <TheMightyLaptop> yup
[00:13:14] <juggs> Certainly worked for me in the past when I've had to manage. People just want to be left alone to get on with shit mostly. The current micro-management / appraisal / smart objective / 360 degree feedback BS is just that - time wasting BS IMO.
[00:13:28] <SpallsHurgenson> but... but... metrics!
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[00:16:53] <matt_> juggs, are we making any progress? :/
[00:17:13] <juggs> uch - I have just applied for a tech support management job with a large US HQ'd co. I already know it is going to be a KPI clusterfuck and expectation of working a bajillion hours a week and be available 24.7. :( I do have bills to pay though :(
[00:17:20] <TheMightyLaptop> damn sure are vs yesterday.
[00:17:40] <matt_> at least we're focused on a single issue :)
[00:17:55] <juggs> matt_, certainly seems more focussed than yesterday
[00:17:56] <TheMightyLaptop> juggs, you poor poor fool.
[00:18:28] <juggs> TheMightyLaptop, my own fault - I allowed myself to be sucked into manglement too early in my career
[00:18:51] <TheMightyLaptop> actually i meant tech support. worst job on the planet nearly.
[00:20:08] <TheMightyLaptop> coffee++
[00:20:08] <Bender> karma - coffee: 656
[00:24:16] <SpallsHurgenson> "Coffee"++
[00:25:12] <juggs> TheMightyLaptop, no kidding. Nothing like being in tech support manglement and being expected to stop faults occurring in the first place. The ops director that tried to palm that particular notion off in my presence got an utter roasting in front of the rest of the board. He was gone a month later. I play nice until someone tries to fuck me over :D
[00:25:50] <TheMightyLaptop> har
[00:26:10] <TheMightyLaptop> ya, you can't cure stupid especially retroactively
[00:28:07] <juggs> I fully expect not to get the role I have applied for as I will openly state the above stance I would intend to take. I'm happy for tech supp to work ~with~ tech ops to identify and squish issues, but will not be carrying the can for their fuck ups.
[00:28:07] <arti> greetings TheMightyBuzzard
[00:28:14] <juggs> o/ arti
[00:28:21] <arti> and to you too, mr juggs
[00:28:25] <TheMightyLaptop> yo, arti
[00:28:29] <arti> :D
[00:28:47] <arti> all the shooting stuff and the comments
[00:28:51] * arti shakes head
[00:29:16] <TheMightyLaptop> what'd i shoot?
[00:29:52] <arti> :P
[00:31:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Sea Plankton Found on Outside of International Space Station - http://sylnt.us - I-see-icy-sea-creatures
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[01:38:00] <NCommander> paulej72, you broke piwik
[01:39:11] <paulej72> sorry depolyed again. will fix as we have a bug fix to deploy. where is the code I need to put in NCommander
[01:39:57] <NCommander> paulej72, ints in piWik, under Settings -> Tracking Code
[01:40:20] <paulej72> NCommander: you put that in the fotter?
[01:41:17] <NCommander> Indeed
[01:41:34] <NCommander> paulej72, direct link: http://stats.soylentnews.org
[01:41:35] <monopoly> ^ 03Piwik Sign in
[01:42:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How to Break Cryptography with Your Bare Hands - http://sylnt.us - physical-access-FTW
[01:43:04] <chromas> From the Bruce-Schneier dpt
[01:53:41] <pbnjoe> someone wanna switch the topic back, or has the meeting been going on for a day? :)
[01:54:11] <matt_> it's still going on...
[01:54:59] <pbnjoe> oh, alright
[01:55:38] * pbnjoe peeks in on it
[01:56:07] <matt_> we are currently debating which time zone to use for official meeting announcements.
[01:56:22] * matt_ pours coffee into eyes to try to stay awake :)
[01:57:01] <pbnjoe> coffeepipen
[01:57:08] <pbnjoe> less corneal scalding
[02:05:45] <mrcoolbp> .deop
[02:05:45] -!- mode/#Soylent [-o mrcoolbp] by juggler
[02:06:02] <mrcoolbp> .op
[02:06:02] -!- mode/#Soylent [+o mrcoolbp] by juggler
[02:06:21] <mrcoolbp> .topic https://SoylentNews.org | IRC Logs: logs.sylnt.us/ | Wiki: sylnt.us/wiki | Code: sylnt.us/code | Got bugs? sylnt.us/bugs | Get Involved: sylnt.us/getinvolved | Who's Who: sylnt.us/whoswho | Submit Stories: sylnt.us/submit
[02:06:21] juggler changed topic of #Soylent to: https://SoylentNews.org | IRC Logs: logs.sylnt.us/ | Wiki: sylnt.us/wiki | Code: sylnt.us/code | Got bugs? sylnt.us/bugs | Get Involved: sylnt.us/getinvolved | Who's Who: sylnt.us/whoswho | Submit Stories: sylnt.us/submit
[02:07:32] <mrcoolbp> bytram: go for it, this is what I had, but I think I'm missing something ^
[02:09:08] <Bytram> k
[02:09:23] Bytram changed topic of #Soylent to: https://SoylentNews.org | IRC Logs: logs.sylnt.us/ | Wiki: sylnt.us/wiki | Code: sylnt.us/code | Got bugs? sylnt.us/bugs | Get Involved: sylnt.us/getinvolved | Who's Who: sylnt.us/whoswho | Submit Stories: sylnt.us/submit | Latest code and testing on Dev Server: sylnt.us/dev
[02:09:52] <Bytram> .deop
[02:09:52] -!- mode/#Soylent [-o Bytram] by juggler
[02:09:57] * pbnjoe half-jokingly thinks you should announce it like a tv show, saying more than one time zone
[02:10:19] * mrcoolbp volunteers pbnjoe to do it
[02:10:40] <pbnjoe> oh god the responsibility
[02:11:13] <monopoly> need a bot for that
[02:11:27] <pbnjoe> was about to suggest that too
[02:11:37] <SpallsHurgenson> oh god, not ANOTHER bot
[02:11:43] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[02:11:51] <pbnjoe> or add a function to an existing one
[02:11:55] <monopoly> Catch an all-new Soylent Meeting tonight at 8/7 Central!
[02:12:04] <SpallsHurgenson> oh god, not ANOTHER function
[02:12:35] <pbnjoe> monopoly, stop taking the thoughts from my mind
[02:12:56] <pbnjoe> and SpallsHurgenson, ok, you can be the time converter/announcer then :P
[02:13:00] <SpallsHurgenson> oh god, not ANOTHER telepathic AI!
[02:13:02] * monopoly gives SpallsHurgenson a coffee++
[02:13:26] <TheMightyLaptop> coffee++
[02:13:26] <Bender> karma - coffee: 657
[02:14:34] <monopoly> archlinux++
[02:14:34] <Bender> karma - archlinux: 19
[02:16:19] <TheMightyLaptop> thas a good bot
[02:16:41] <TheMightyLaptop> archlinux++
[02:16:41] <Bender> karma - archlinux: 20
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[02:17:15] <NCommander> ~weather Anchorage
[02:17:20] <exec> weather for 10Anchorage, AK US at 5:47 pm (AKDT) ~ 30 mins ago: temp: 1017.2°C (63°F), dp: 1013.3°C (56°F), press: 101020.2 mb (-0.1 mb/18 mins), humid: 1078%, wind: 100 km/h (0 mph) @ 10325°
[02:17:36] <NCommander> cool
[02:17:39] * NCommander takes his coat
[02:17:45] <TheMightyLaptop> nice weather. trade ya.
[02:17:50] <TheMightyLaptop> ~weather
[02:17:50] <exec> syntax: ~weather location
[02:17:50] <exec> weather data courtesy of the APRS Citizen Weather Observer Program (CWOP) @ http://weather.gladstonefamily.net
[02:17:56] <TheMightyLaptop> stoopid bot
[02:18:02] <TheMightyLaptop> ~weather ada, ok
[02:18:06] <exec> weather for 10Ada, Ada Municipal Airport, OK, United States at 8:54 pm (CDT) ~ 24 mins ago: temp: 1030°C (86°F), dp: 1023°C (73.4°F), press: 101014.6 mb (0 mb/18 mins), humid: 1066%, wind: 1014.4 km/h (9 mph) @ 10160°
[02:18:54] <chromas> it seems to've forgotten people
[02:19:06] <TheMightyLaptop> nah, am on a different nick
[02:19:08] <chromas> a bot with amnesia?
[02:20:43] <SpallsHurgenson> it's complying with european law on the right to be forgotten
[02:21:52] <TheMightyLaptop> bloody stupid right. rampant idiocy needs to be remembered so the next generation will know better.
[02:23:43] <TheMightyLaptop> 86f at 9:30pm can eat a dick too.
[02:24:10] <pbnjoe> nah, you save money on bed coverings
[02:24:24] <TheMightyLaptop> ya but i spend it on electricity
[02:24:42] * SpallsHurgenson loves his air conditioner
[02:24:42] <TheMightyLaptop> and cold beer
[02:25:07] <TheMightyLaptop> beer++
[02:25:07] <Bender> karma - beer: 11
[02:25:47] <chromas> Must be beer from the spinal tap
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[02:28:03] <swiss> ugh, i need to go pick up more booze
[02:28:50] <pbnjoe> what do people like about beer (esp. the ones that have to be chilled to drink)? I don't mean that snarkily
[02:28:56] <pbnjoe> the temp, the taste?
[02:29:32] <Landon> I enjoy the flavor
[02:29:43] <Landon> I don't drink it until all the alcohol has been cooked out though
[02:29:44] <Landon> :)
[02:29:53] <SpallsHurgenson> all the cool kids are doing it, so I should too!
[02:29:56] <Landon> then I "drink" it in the form of stew
[02:30:10] <pbnjoe> that's different, Landon :P
[02:30:43] <swiss> pbnjoe: i don't enjoy beer
[02:30:49] <swiss> I get hard lemonade mostly
[02:31:04] <Landon> I generally can't drink alcohol
[02:31:16] <Landon> just tastes too bad unless it's something like hard lemonade
[02:31:17] <swiss> it's delcious, barely has an effect on me, but then i'm super tired after it wears off
[02:31:32] <swiss> so having one, watching a movie, falling asleep
[02:31:34] <swiss> so great
[02:33:05] <pbnjoe> I'm not a beer guy either
[02:33:29] <swiss> i need to figure out costco's price for hard lemonade
[02:33:46] <Landon> about $100
[02:33:52] <Landon> but it comes in a handy 50 gallon barrel
[02:33:56] <pbnjoe> hahaha
[02:34:39] <pbnjoe> or you could get ingredients for DIY hard lemonade
[02:34:49] <swiss> nah
[02:34:55] <swiss> that takes the ease and convenience out
[02:35:38] <pbnjoe> you could make it fun though
[02:36:50] <chromas> 0) Buy lemonade 1) Buy vodka 2) ?
[02:37:26] <pbnjoe> fill a swimming pool with hose water, cut several bags of sugar so they pour into the pool, pour lemon juice from a handy 50 gallon barrel with a hole in it, dump several bottles of everclear in, then go for a swim!
[02:37:37] <pbnjoe> you'll mix it up nice
[02:37:58] <pbnjoe> lifetime supply of hard lemonade
[02:38:30] <chromas> and should you accidentally pee in it, then it becomes coors light
[02:38:36] <swiss> lolol
[02:38:52] <chromas> diet beer
[02:39:04] <chromas> oops, not manly enough; quick, call it 'light'!
[02:39:23] <pbnjoe> coors lean n mean
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[02:44:31] * pbnjoe will try asking that question again later, since no beer drinker has said anything
[02:45:39] <paulej72> quick deploy just finished. A few minor bug fixes.
[02:45:49] <pbnjoe> paulej72++
[02:45:49] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 63
[02:47:02] <paulej72> Plus I add back the Piwik code that I destroyed on the last deploy.
[02:50:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, i can tell. getting kerb login prompts again from stats.soylentnews.org
[02:52:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> oooh, nested quotes in a story. dig it.
[02:56:13] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: do you have javascript blocked on prod?
[02:56:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah
[02:56:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> whitelisted the whole domain
[02:57:59] <paulej72> I am wondering why you are getting a pwiki login
[02:57:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mentioned i hate templates lately?
[02:58:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> beats me. it's fine with my normal kerb auth though.
[03:01:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Surface 3 Review - http://sylnt.us - WinCE
[03:02:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, i may have something rewriting http to https
[03:03:09] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: it is the https access to pwiki
[03:05:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha, found the rub
[03:05:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> var u=(("https:" == document.location.protocol) ? "https" : "http") + "://stats.soylentnews.org/piwik/";
[03:06:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you visit the site on https, it gives you the https:// address
[03:07:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> which would be all fine and good if that address served up the javascript too.
[03:10:38] <pbnjoe> I've been getting 503 Service Unavailable for short amounts of time multiple times today
[03:11:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> pbnjoe, think paulej72 is fixing the pwiki thing
[03:11:43] <paulej72> yes
[03:11:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> requires quick server restarts
[03:11:52] <paulej72> did a reload should be ok now
[03:11:56] <pbnjoe> that's what I was thinkin'
[03:12:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, looks good
[03:12:09] <pbnjoe> also TheMightyBuzzard while you're looking at irc: why do you like beer :P
[03:12:45] <pbnjoe> asked the channel a bit ago and only non-drinkers said anything
[03:12:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> to quote my 2nd favorite vampier slayer: beer good. foamy.
[03:13:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> has bubbles and makes me unsober. what's not to love?
[03:13:46] <pbnjoe> the taste
[03:13:49] <pbnjoe> imo ;)
[03:14:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> not cloyingly sweet like a mixed drink with soda
[03:14:04] <pbnjoe> but, interesting, thanks :)
[03:14:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i dig the taste, depending. i'm a connoisseur though not a snob.
[03:17:30] <pbnjoe> didja like it outright, or did you acquire the taste? Also, preference of lighter or heavier?
[03:17:35] * pbnjoe feels inquisitive today
[03:18:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> well it's hard to like big domestics right out of the box but the first one i tried after i hit teenage i wasn't offended by.
[03:19:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> prefer copper colored beers in the summer and black ones in the winter.
[03:20:41] <pbnjoe> cool
[03:21:47] <pbnjoe> it's fun to ask people about preferences they have differing to mine
[03:22:09] <pbnjoe> I've basically interviewed a self-admitted racist before haha
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[03:23:44] <pbnjoe> though this case is a bit less drastic :)
[03:24:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
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[03:25:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> so, hey, my neighbor is in the hospital with a bigass slash across his face and seven stab wounds acquired by protecting a woman from a drunk asshole.
[03:26:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> this weirds me out because normally he's the drunk asshole.
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[03:29:37] <paulej72> does he want to be our mascot
[03:29:59] <juggs> love your harmless drunk assholes is all I have to offer. Particularly if they fend off beligerent drunk assholes.
[03:30:06] <juggs> Or something.
[03:30:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, ima hafta go around putting jars out to help with his medical expenses. half the time he's out of work and that's a lot of surgery.
[03:34:10] <pbnjoe> paulej72, ouch; took me a second to get that
[03:35:11] <pbnjoe> TheMightyBuzzard, I'm sad that that's a necessity, and I wish you luck with that and him luck in healing
[03:36:36] <pbnjoe> knife or bottle?
[03:36:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> well i mean ya don't go through life planning ahead and starting a getting stabbed a lot fund. people around here are the type to understand that and help.
[03:36:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> knife
[03:37:28] <pbnjoe> I mean sad that it's a necessity to need thousands of dollars to become stitched up and healthy again
[03:37:38] <pbnjoe> to have*
[03:38:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep. medical paperwork pushers gotta eat too though i suppose.
[03:38:15] <pbnjoe> it's good that you're doing that, don't get me wrong
[03:38:28] * juggs looks at what is left of the UKs NHS and sobs. It's inhumane not to have socialised free at point of use medical care - especially emergency care.
[03:38:53] <swiss> i am sitting in front of my TV with a hard lemonade
[03:38:54] <swiss> life is good
[03:39:35] <pbnjoe> I basically mean what juggs said
[03:40:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> i dunno. i'm largely against socialized medicine. i prefer to help voluntarily rather than be compelled.
[03:41:51] <pbnjoe> what does one do in the case of a community not volunteering, though?
[03:42:13] <pbnjoe> volunteering enough, at least
[03:42:35] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, you get stabbed in the street - you want the ambulance staff checking your wallet for an insurance card or stemming the blood?
[03:43:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, nah. emergency care is rendered here regardless of if you can pay or not. tis the law.
[03:44:45] <pbnjoe> state or federal law? I seem to remember watching people get dumped in the street in Moore's documentary
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[03:45:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> pbnjoe, consider the source.
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[03:46:02] <juggs> I'm not getting drawn into this. Suffice to say I support socialised medical care regardless of income. That statement should be taken in light of where I reside.
[03:46:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> man makes no beefs that his first obligation is to get you to watch and be riled up.
[03:46:54] * SpallsHurgenson owns a great deal of stock in insurance companies and therefore feels that socialized medicine is a crime :)
[03:46:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> no worries, juggs. just an academic discussion since none of us get to set policy for a nation.
[03:48:15] <SpallsHurgenson> yet :)
[03:48:34] <SpallsHurgenson> !todo get to set policy for the nation
[03:48:34] <Bender> todo item 3 added
[03:48:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, Emperor Buzzard is a ways off yet though.
[03:48:41] <pbnjoe> ah, yeah, and yeah, I do want to have a bit of discussion on it but I don't get people heated, whether they're in the discussion or not
[03:49:07] <paulej72> i am a nation of one, my tax base is way too small
[03:49:38] <SpallsHurgenson> I don't mind if people get heated about it, so long as they ultimately realize that my opinion is correct and theirs is probably wrong :)
[03:49:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> right now Buzzylvania only occupies one corner of a block but i do have expansion plans.
[03:50:02] <pbnjoe> SpallsHurgenson, oh yeah?!
[03:50:09] <pbnjoe> jk :p
[03:50:13] <paulej72> me, me, me, its all about me
[03:50:49] <pbnjoe> no paul is an island. you've got to globalize or risk being left behind
[03:51:09] <SpallsHurgenson> or, option 3, get rid of all the other islands :)
[03:51:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> emperor of north america is my retirement plan. eight or ten years reign then get assassinated.
[03:51:41] <pbnjoe> it's in your plan to be assassinated?
[03:51:54] <pbnjoe> are you funding it by proxy or something?
[03:51:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure. beats a retirement home.
[03:52:16] <SpallsHurgenson> if you strike him down, he will only become more powerful than before.
[03:52:25] <SpallsHurgenson> also, blue and ghostly
[03:52:28] <pbnjoe> "Welcome to Shady Oaks: Worse than being shot to death"
[03:52:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> i want to go out while i can still wipe my own ass. none of this hundred years old and crapping myself nonsense.
[03:53:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's a quality of life thing. there comes a point when you're just living because it's an instinct rather than a rational desire.
[03:54:29] <SpallsHurgenson> that's called high school :)
[03:55:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya well, that's kids for you. they're not exactly self-aware at that age.
[03:55:20] * juggs sets up own nation state
[03:55:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, do it! it's fun! you get to name it and design a flag and everything.
[03:55:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> plus set your own holidays.
[03:56:11] * pbnjoe is reminded of the recent onion news article where Israel and Palestine are dissolved and each person gets their own country
[03:56:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> tuesday really can be boozeday
[03:56:35] <SpallsHurgenson> IIRC, that was the entire middle east, pbnjoe :)
[03:57:13] <SpallsHurgenson> www.theonion.com/articles/everyone-in-middle-east-given-own-country-in-31700,36484/
[03:57:30] <pbnjoe> darn it, I couldn't remember if it was the whole middle east or I+P
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[03:57:46] <SpallsHurgenson> well, now you know :)
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[03:57:51] <pbnjoe> :)
[03:59:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> still a better plan than negotiate yet another tedious ceasefire that lasts a year or two then have at it again. s'getting kinda old.
[03:59:02] * SpallsHurgenson wonders what kitty wants...
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[03:59:37] <pbnjoe> senile by this point
[04:01:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> prollem is everybody but the US would lose their collective shat if Israel finally won and Palestine just simply isn't capable of winning. so more of the same.
[04:03:34] * pbnjoe wonders if things will ever calm down in the whole middle east, and if so, how
[04:04:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> and now for something really important: Kari, Tory, and Grant are done being Mythbusters.
[04:04:47] <pbnjoe> Whuh, Why?
[04:04:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://amp.twimg.com
[04:05:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> no idea on the why
[04:05:26] <juggs> publicity no doubt
[04:05:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> could be. no way you fire someone who looks that hot holding a .50cal
[04:06:13] <Lagg> Does that mean we can finally have just Adam and Jamie back
[04:06:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> dunno. lot of work for them if they don't hire more minions.
[04:06:44] <Lagg> All 3 of them were sexy and that's fine and all but just them is what I really want.
[04:07:34] <juggs> ahhhhhhhhh 1st world problems room slide
[04:07:52] <Lagg> I don't even watch it anymore but just having the original pair there would make me start again.
[04:08:40] <Lagg> I've seen quite a bit of interviews and talks with Adam outside of mythbusters and the guy is a hacker extraordinaire
[04:09:13] <Lagg> Jamie is too and has some great stories but he's really stingy about appearing in whatevercasts
[04:09:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep
[04:10:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> i dunno though, i dug the trio. it was like two shows for the price of one.
[04:10:18] <Lagg> Kind of annoyed with him for that because the boat motor story made me go "What, so you're going to go off and do that to me and leave on a cliffhanger hinting at a marine toilet and never pick up on it. You tease"
[04:10:44] * juggs fades out of existence
[04:10:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> and tory was even better at hurting himself than adam
[04:10:55] <pbnjoe> cya juggs
[04:10:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> nite
[04:11:00] <ciri> nite, have a good one TheMightyBuzzard
[04:11:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> stfu bot
[04:11:12] <pbnjoe> hahaha
[04:11:20] <pbnjoe> or, rather:
[04:11:21] <pbnjoe> lol
[04:11:24] <Lagg> I've always figured them as the work crew rather than any kind of hackers. Tori is a carpenter, Kary is an artist/sculpter or whatever and Grant is the only one that could really be called that due to the robotics expertise.
[04:11:35] <pbnjoe> ... really? ciri always pipes up when someone says lol
[04:12:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> you never seen kari with an angle grinder? they all have mad hacker chops after 10 years of doing that.
[04:12:18] <pbnjoe> TheMightyBuzzard, yeah, I've seen Tory biff it hard
[04:12:23] <Lagg> Not that I mean I don't like them, but I'm pretty sure that Jamie and Adam are the ones bouncing ideas off each other and writing based on that. So I think it'd be possible to just have the two again.
[04:12:52] <Lagg> TheMightyBuzzard: Like I said she's a sculpter so skills with it are assumed. It was probably not the show that did it either, likely pre-existing skills.
[04:12:57] <pbnjoe> you think they write the myth intros too?
[04:13:15] <Lagg> I don't really think they write the show in itself, I think they seed the ideas
[04:13:23] <pbnjoe> ok, good
[04:13:30] <Lagg> They've pretty much explained this at more than a few points
[04:13:52] <pbnjoe> I was never a regular watcher, so I don't know everything
[04:13:55] <Lagg> They ship the writing and editing for those parts off to somewhere in the UK as I recall and australia
[04:14:37] <pbnjoe> I just always feel the dialogue is very forced during those parts, so that's why I asked
[04:14:48] <Lagg> But yeah, would be back on that show so damned quick if it was just the two again. They were why
[04:14:50] <pbnjoe> not the narrator, but when they're talking about the myth
[04:14:54] <Lagg> *I started watching in the first place
[04:15:08] <Lagg> and yeah I agree, they know it too and are having fun with the scriptedness of it. you can tell
[04:15:42] <Lagg> Note how Jamie will do that forced expression of awe and wonder such that his 'stache flares up almost
[04:16:03] <pbnjoe> "What-are-you-thinking-Adam"
[04:16:11] <pbnjoe> "I-think-we'll-blow-it-up"
[04:16:14] <pbnjoe> ":}"
[04:16:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay gents. i'm going to be waking up in six hours whether i want to or not so ima bail and grab a pillow.
[04:16:41] <pbnjoe> g'night
[04:16:42] <Lagg> and then entire show thereafter is basically my logo on lagg.me ">:{("
[04:16:52] <arti> later buzzard
[04:17:05] <pbnjoe> yeah basically
[04:17:16] <pbnjoe> seen him giggle for real a couple times, but those are rare
[04:17:39] <pbnjoe> basically only when he makes a joke he really likes or gets to mess shit up
[04:17:55] <pbnjoe> well, mess *Adam* up, iirc :P
[04:19:32] <pbnjoe> "Today we're gonna be testing whether people can bake if they have concussive injuries
[04:19:43] <pbnjoe> "
[04:19:55] <Lagg> Guy loves being deadpan
[04:20:11] <pbnjoe> "Hey Adam, 'batter' up" *beats Adam over head with baseball bat*
[04:20:18] <pbnjoe> :{)
[04:20:30] <pbnjoe> does indeed
[04:20:38] <Lagg> I recall in one talk Adam gave he said they were talking about sex with a couch (it makes sense in context) and Jamie randomly walked into the room and said "If my couch looked like <actress name> I'd have sex with it"
[04:20:50] <Lagg> Then just ":{("
[04:21:08] <pbnjoe> that's fantastic
[04:21:22] <Lagg> Meanwhile entire room bursts into laughter and he says "What?"
[04:21:24] <pbnjoe> they're really good foils for each other
[04:22:21] <Lagg> Definitely, I remember in early episodes they'd get pissed off at each other and they'd actually keep filming
[04:22:40] <Lagg> Adam would walk by rambling things like "He always *beep*ing does this *beep*. He's being an ass"
[04:23:09] <Lagg> That's the stuff I miss. It represents what people working in such a place together for years would act like.
[04:24:23] <Lagg> Let's be honest, no one working in any kind of shop that closely would act like the hunky dory best friends forevar trio like Kary, tory and grant. When you work in a shop you bsaically play musical tools and materials.
[04:24:38] <Lagg> s/bsaically/basically/
[04:24:39] <exec> <Lagg> Let's be honest, no one working in any kind of shop that closely would act like the hunky dory best friends forevar trio like Kary, tory and grant. When you work in a shop you basically play musical tools and materials.
[04:25:44] <pbnjoe> true
[04:26:21] <pbnjoe> thinking of all the episodes I've seen, my favourite would have to be the one where they blew up a concrete truck
[04:27:03] <pbnjoe> cement, rather
[04:27:46] <Lagg> When they tried to test that myth of people putting dynamite to shake out dry cement?
[04:27:59] <Lagg> It sure as hell worked, heh.
[04:28:39] <pbnjoe> https://www.youtube.com
[04:28:39] <monopoly> ^ 03The MythBusters blow up a cement truck! - YouTube
[04:28:56] <pbnjoe> the sound at 0:27 is burnt into my memory
[04:29:11] <pbnjoe> as well as the image
[04:31:08] * pbnjoe watches it 5 times
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[04:41:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Minecraft Players Build Working “Hard Disk” - http://sylnt.us - fractal
[04:43:43] <chromas> x.y++
[04:43:49] <chromas> (messages.pl)++
[04:43:49] <Bender> karma - (messages.pl): 1
[04:46:45] <chromas> "Two … users have now"
[04:47:01] <chromas> I've seen that before; is that because putting the name in is considered redundant?
[04:48:10] <chromas> I guess in this case it's removing "such" for lack of context
[04:48:18] * chromas rtfas
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[05:23:05] <swiss> freenode is getting way laggy
[05:23:09] <swiss> why do people DOS it :/
[05:29:44] <ar> because they feel the need to enlarge their genitals.
[05:29:57] <swiss> i hate people
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[05:56:21] <chromas> people--
[05:56:21] <Bender> karma - people: -2
[05:58:17] <swiss> people--
[05:58:18] <Bender> karma - people: -3
[05:58:19] <swiss> so truth
[05:58:35] <ar> people--
[05:58:35] <Bender> karma - people: -4
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[06:20:40] <ar> http://ergoemacs.org
[06:20:42] <monopoly> ^ 03Celebrity Programers with RSI (Repetitive Strain Injury)
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[06:29:52] <chromas> ^ Emacs and niche programming langauges cause RSI
[07:01:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Linus Torvalds Still Wants the Linux Desktop - http://sylnt.us - Next-year-in-Jerusalem
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[07:16:58] <Dopefish> Any staff around?
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[07:28:07] <swiss> dvorak is even worse for rsi
[07:28:16] <swiss> try typing "ls" in dvorak
[07:30:06] <swiss> the only keyboard i've seen that actually can help with RSI is the datahand II pro
[07:33:11] <crutchy> coffee++
[07:33:11] <Bender> karma - coffee: 658
[07:37:25] <swiss> coffee--
[07:37:25] <Bender> karma - coffee: 657
[07:37:27] <swiss> it's bad for you
[07:41:18] <ar> coffee--
[07:41:18] <Bender> karma - coffee: 656
[07:49:33] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[07:49:33] <Bender> karma - coffee: 655
[07:49:49] <JamesNZ> We should try and get it down to 0 again :P
[08:20:06] <ar> coffee--
[08:20:06] <Bender> karma - coffee: 654
[08:20:08] <ar> we should
[08:20:10] <ar> tea++
[08:20:10] <Bender> karma - tea: 28
[08:20:18] <ar> and bring tea up at the same time
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[08:39:44] <crutchy> coffee++
[08:39:44] <Bender> karma - coffee: 655
[08:39:57] <crutchy> coffee++
[08:39:57] <Bender> karma - coffee: 656
[08:55:24] <ar> coffee--
[08:55:24] <Bender> karma - coffee: 655
[08:55:33] <ar> crutchy: stop. it's brainwashing you
[08:57:18] <chromas> Bender: s/55/5535/
[08:57:19] <exec> <chromas> <Bender> karma - coffee: 65535
[08:57:32] <crutchy> coffee++ i.. can't.. help.. it
[08:57:32] <Bender> karma - coffee: 656
[09:00:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Yet Another Rogue Antivirus - http://sylnt.us - in-security
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[09:27:56] <prospectacle> good day
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[09:36:24] <crutchy> g'day
[09:47:55] <crutchy> ~staff meeting
[09:47:57] <exec> 08We deployed some changes to fix some bugs, and added some new features that just happened to get merged recently. Can you spot the changes? The First Draft of the SN manifesto is available
[09:49:54] <prospectacle> cool
[09:49:58] <prospectacle> where does it pull that from?
[09:49:58] <ciri> not sure prospectacle
[09:50:49] <crutchy> ~staff meeting
[09:51:22] <prospectacle> is it posted as a summary on the wiki or something?
[09:51:25] <prospectacle> ~staff meeting
[09:53:07] <prospectacle> ciri--
[09:53:07] <Bender> karma - ciri: 7
[09:58:00] <crutchy> ~staff meeting
[09:58:13] <crutchy> :/
[09:59:55] <prospectacle> well good luck. I'm going for a walk. I expect ~staff meeting operational by the time i return!
[10:02:19] <crutchy> ~staff meeting
[10:02:23] <exec> 08Time: Sunday, August 24, 23:59 UTC (7:59pm EDT) Place: irc.sylnt.us:6667/6697#staff (Webchat) Chair: To Be Determined
[10:03:11] <crutchy> prospectacle, it either comes from the site news slashbox on SN or the wiki
[10:03:29] <crutchy> http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[10:03:29] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03Issues to Be Raised at the Next Board Meeting: If there is an issue that you would like to be raised at the next Board meeting, please include it in the list below. The list will be cleared following each meeting. If you feel that your issue was not adequately addressed at the meetin...
[10:06:33] <arti> fantastic.
[10:07:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:07:14] <Bender> karma - coffee: 657
[10:07:25] <crutchy> coffee++
[10:07:25] <Bender> karma - coffee: 658
[10:07:32] <crutchy> ~time arti
[10:07:34] <exec> Friday, 22 August 2014 @ 3:07 am PDT - Santa Ana, CA 92707, USA
[10:07:40] <crutchy> ~time TheMightyBuzzard
[10:07:41] <exec> Friday, 22 August 2014 @ 5:07 am CDT - Ada, OK, USA
[10:07:54] <crutchy> arti wtf?! lol
[10:08:08] <crutchy> can't sleep eh?
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[10:31:21] <arti> i'm balls deep in some UI stuff
[10:33:22] <chromas> Careful, you'll catch a vb doing that
[10:35:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas++
[10:35:49] <Bender> karma - chromas: 23
[10:35:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, Konomi
[10:37:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> doing ui stuff myself. adding the article up at the top of the page on comments.pl so you don't have to have two tabs open.
[10:38:18] <chromas> Neat
[10:39:35] * chromas only just saw the updated blockquote style last night. Nifty
[10:39:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, someone was complaining that there should be a link. i figured why not just put the story up there instead.
[10:40:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> dude, how'd you miss it? it's been on every front page story just about since it was released.
[10:41:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://tmbvm.ddns.net
[10:41:08] <monopoly> ^ 04SN (TMB dev) comment by The Mighty Buzzard (18)
[10:42:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> i love it when shit works the first time this early in the morning
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[10:42:28] <chromas> Yeah, I haven't really been paying attention I guess :)
[10:43:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> well the ones in the stories are toned down a bit. all subtle like.
[10:43:14] <chromas> Haha, looks nested
[10:43:58] <chromas> Oh wait. Thought it was a block quote
[10:44:23] * chromas needs to go back to sleep but brain says no
[10:45:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, thas me having learned enough templating to bend one to my will and put the story up top.
[10:45:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> now i gotta check see what it does vs journals n their comments
[10:46:05] <chromas> Total_rewrite++
[10:46:05] <Bender> karma - total_rewrite: 1
[10:46:17] <chromas> You know you want to
[10:47:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> likely have to rewrite the sub i just wrote but not totally.
[10:48:08] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, you got your own slash goin?
[10:48:20] <crutchy> on the dev vm
[10:48:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, ya. dump of the dev db from a while ago.
[10:48:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> which is a sanitized dump of the live db from even further back.
[10:48:58] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard++ ffor gettin his slash on :p
[10:48:58] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 51
[10:49:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> i just made mine public so i wouldn't always have to show folks stuff in screenshots or on dev.
[10:49:29] <chromas> Need eighteen more +s
[10:50:21] * crutchy wonders whether TheMightyBuzzard could be the name of a sexual position
[10:50:28] <prospectacle> chromas++++
[10:50:32] <prospectacle> chromas++
[10:50:32] <Bender> karma - chromas: 24
[10:50:40] <chromas> It will be soon
[10:50:42] <prospectacle> what do you need 18 for?
[10:50:57] <chromas> Oh I meant tmb
[10:51:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> could probably work one up but naming it after myself would be a bit far
[10:51:03] <crutchy> to make TheMightyBuzzard into a sexual position :p
[10:51:23] <crutchy> ^ prospectacle
[10:51:28] <chromas> ~define TheMightyBuzzard
[10:51:42] <exec> [stoacademy] 3TheMightyBuzzard : AoE - Area of Effect
[10:51:45] <prospectacle> oh I get it. Surely it should be the name of a *new* position, if anything
[10:51:50] <chromas> Come on, urban dictionary
[10:52:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> doggy style with a bucket of kfc on her back?
[10:52:36] <crutchy> works for me
[10:52:37] <crutchy> ~define-add TheMightyBuzzard, doggy style with a bucket of kfc on her back
[10:52:38] <exec> definition for term "TheMightyBuzzard" set to "doggy style with a bucket of kfc on her back"
[10:53:12] <crutchy> ~define TheMightyBuzzard
[10:53:12] <exec> [soylent] TheMightyBuzzard: doggy style with a bucket of kfc on her back
[10:53:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> now... how do i find out if i'm talking about a journal or an article's discussion....
[10:54:03] <chromas> Eating battered breasts while battering breasts
[10:54:19] <crutchy> chromas++ lol
[10:54:19] <Bender> karma - chromas: 25
[10:55:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> bewbs++
[10:55:10] <Bender> karma - bewbs: 12
[10:55:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i got nothin. my sql-fu is not up to searching two tables at once.
[10:57:34] <crutchy> whatcha tryig to do?
[10:57:48] <crutchy> mine is probably 1/10 as good as yours even on your bad day
[10:57:59] * crutchy hates joins esp
[10:59:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> select * from either the stories table or journals table where discussion = 1103
[11:01:46] * crutchy copies to gedit
[11:02:03] <crutchy> i'll have a play after i put kiddywinks to bed
[11:02:05] <crutchy> brb
[11:02:07] <ciri> when you coming back. miss ya already! ;) crutchy
[11:08:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> screw it. i'll make two calls and do the logic in perl.
[11:08:04] <Konomi> TheMightyBuzzard: hey
[11:12:12] <prospectacle> TheMightyBuzzard, what is the discussion field? can you do a join like "select stories.*, journals.* from stories full outer join journals on stories.discussion = journals.discussion"
[11:14:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> discussion field is a comments list id. a given discussion could be tied either to the stories table or the journals table and i need to do lookups by the discussion #.
[11:14:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> but i also need to know which it came from so a select n join won't really work well.
[11:15:36] <prospectacle> so a comment has an id, and that id is called "discussion"? and that field exists in two different tables, so a discussion 11 in stories won't be the same thing as discussion 11 in journals?
[11:16:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, i won't be able to memcache these unless i can cache which it is also either.
[11:16:32] <prospectacle> Or have I got that wrong somewhere.
[11:17:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope, discussions are their own thing with unique ids. it could appear in either a story or a journal but not both.
[11:17:20] <prospectacle> i see
[11:17:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> well i guess you could MAKE it appear in both if you wanted to.
[11:18:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> like if you wanted to copy a journal to the main page as a story but keep the comments.
[11:19:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> some fun logic to work out, even doing it in perl
[11:20:34] <prospectacle> Possibly a union. I haven't tried this , but something like "select count(*) as 'journal_count' from (select * from journals where discussion=x) as journal_results UNION select count(*) as 'story_count' from (select * from sotires where discussion=x)
[11:21:51] <prospectacle> .. as story_results
[11:22:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - JOANA Software Analysis Tool Checks Source Code for Security Flaws: - http://sylnt.us - chain-linked-list-fence
[11:22:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> prospectacle, possibly but i've decided to do the funky logic in perl and just make two db calls
[11:23:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> gets complicated because i also gotta factor in memcache
[11:23:47] <crutchy> something like:
[11:23:48] <crutchy> select * from stories as p1 inner join (select * from journals) as p2 where p1.id=p2.id and p1.discussion=1103
[11:24:49] * crutchy has nfi what the schema looks like
[11:24:54] <prospectacle> TheMightyBuzzard, fair enough. I usually do any complicated db stuff in scripts as well, and only the basic stuff in sql
[11:27:43] <prospectacle> ah, ha, I've figured it out
[11:27:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> need moar coffee!
[11:27:52] <crutchy> coffee++
[11:27:52] <Bender> karma - coffee: 659
[11:27:56] <prospectacle> not that it matters, but you know, once you get going...
[11:28:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> do tell
[11:28:13] <crutchy> and the coffee is flowing...
[11:28:47] <crutchy> ooh need 7 moar coffees
[11:29:07] <crutchy> till we get to... 'the evil grind'
[11:29:10] <prospectacle> select count(*) as 'record_count', 'journal' as 'table' from (select * from journal where id=$x) as journal_results UNION all select count(*) as 'record_count', 'story' as 'table' from (select * from stories where id=$x) as story_results order by record_count desc limit 1
[11:29:51] <prospectacle> possibly not hte best way, but basically, select 2 rows, each one has the count of matchings records from one of the two tables. Sort by result-count descending, so the one with a matching record is listed first. Limit 1, so only the first matching record is found.
[11:30:23] <crutchy> wow great wall of text! too much for friday night :p
[11:31:09] <crutchy> prospectacle++ for gettin his sql on :D
[11:31:09] <Bender> karma - prospectacle: 16
[11:31:17] <crutchy> prospectacle++
[11:31:17] <Bender> karma - prospectacle: 17
[11:31:30] <prospectacle> oops, sorry, replace "id=$x" with "discsusion=$x"
[11:31:44] <prospectacle> or whatever field you want to filter by
[11:32:50] <crutchy> FoobarBazbot=$x
[11:32:58] <prospectacle> crutchy, well all will become clear if you copy and paste into your local phpmyadmin and screw around with it a bit.
[11:33:24] <prospectacle> basically if you do (select statement 1) union all (select statement 2) you'll get rows matching statement 1, followed by rows matching statement 2., all in the one result set.
[11:33:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:33:40] <Bender> karma - coffee: 660
[11:33:41] <crutchy> phpmyadmin is one of the most commonly targeted thing in my apache logs. i'm afraid to even install it
[11:34:04] <prospectacle> crutchy, or the command line, I guess
[11:34:24] <crutchy> i think i got mysql workbench
[11:34:44] <prospectacle> that will do the trick
[11:34:46] <crutchy> but i kinda can't be arsed makina a schema to muck around with
[11:35:05] <crutchy> looks pretty good though :)
[11:35:09] <crutchy> prospectacle++
[11:35:09] <Bender> karma - prospectacle: 18
[11:35:14] <crutchy> coffee++
[11:35:14] <Bender> karma - coffee: 661
[11:35:23] <crutchy> 5 moar!
[11:35:24] <prospectacle> well I had never tried to use a union before but now I think i get the idea.
[11:35:33] <prospectacle> thanks w3schools
[11:35:34] <crutchy> coffee++
[11:35:34] <Bender> karma - coffee: 662
[11:35:42] <crutchy> w3schools++
[11:35:42] <Bender> karma - w3schools: 1
[11:35:42] <prospectacle> w3schools++
[11:35:42] <Bender> karma - w3schools: 2
[11:35:51] <prospectacle> lol
[11:35:58] <crutchy> i often use it for css ref
[11:36:10] <crutchy> and their nice colour picker :)
[11:36:38] <prospectacle> It's good it's kind of like the dictionary for web developers
[11:37:13] <crutchy> php.net++ is my other bible of webology :P
[11:37:44] <prospectacle> yes definitely. I use it all the time
[11:37:58] <crutchy> or a certain little script for quickly getting the order of those pesky needle/haystacks
[11:38:02] <crutchy> ~php strpos
[11:38:02] <exec> mixed strpos( string $haystack , mixed $needle [, int $offset = 0] )
[11:38:42] <crutchy> your nick is in that script :D
[11:39:05] <chromas> Goathead_thorns--
[11:39:05] <Bender> karma - goathead_thorns: -1
[11:40:02] <prospectacle> notepad++ now comes with parameter popups so when you "strpos(" it shows you what order the params are in
[11:40:02] <Bender> karma - notepad: 1
[11:40:06] <crutchy> https://github.com
[11:40:07] <prospectacle> lol
[11:40:07] <ciri> HAHAHAHA
[11:40:34] <crutchy> i've seen someone using phpstorm as well and it looks awesome
[11:40:38] <crutchy> phpstorm++
[11:40:38] <Bender> karma - phpstorm: 1
[11:40:53] <prospectacle> notepadplusplus++
[11:40:53] <Bender> karma - notepadplusplus: 1
[11:40:53] <crutchy> i'm still stuck on good ol' gedit
[11:41:04] <crutchy> gedit++
[11:41:04] <Bender> karma - gedit: 7
[11:42:12] <crutchy> btw you were asking about that staff meeting thingy before
[11:42:14] <crutchy> https://github.com
[11:42:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn but this is gonna be complicated to do just so i can reuse the same subs
[11:43:03] <crutchy> php'erize it :p
[11:43:09] <crutchy> you know you wanna
[11:43:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> how about i forget that and write separate subs?
[11:43:24] <crutchy> or even better.,.. pascal'erize it
[11:45:51] <prospectacle> crutchy, thanks
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[11:46:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh that's why. because comments.pl has no idea if it's looking at a story or journal
[11:46:21] <crutchy> uses the mediawiki api, which is fun :)
[11:47:02] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, that seems kinda gay
[11:47:19] <crutchy> do journals get a story id (sid)?
[11:47:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> welcome to the fun world of slash.
[11:48:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, they get a journal id (id) that can be the same as a story id (sid)
[11:49:29] <crutchy> if you pass the sid from the comment to a query of the journals table, if it returns a record then it's a journal?
[11:51:07] <crutchy> http://soylentnews.org for example is the comments for journal http://soylentnews.org so sid 2645 should be unique in both the journals table and stories table?
[11:51:09] <monopoly> ^ 04SN comment by prospectacle (3422)
[11:51:09] <monopoly> ^ 04SN journal 03RSS/Atom feeds wiki page 04(1 comments):
[11:51:49] <crutchy> so you could do an inner join with journals.jid=stories.sid
[11:52:03] <crutchy> assuming jid is journal id or something
[11:52:31] <crutchy> oh hang on the journal id isn;t the same as the story id
[11:52:47] <crutchy> jid=517,sid=2645
[11:53:19] <crutchy> is there a table that links journals and stories?
[11:56:19] * crutchy is looking @ https://github.com
[11:57:07] <crutchy> the discussion_kinds table looks like it might be useful
[11:58:06] <crutchy> maybe the dkid field in the discussions table indicates whether an sid is for a story or journal?
[11:58:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, strangely, sid to comments.pl is not the same as sid to anywhere else. sid to comments.pl is a discussion id.
[11:59:44] <crutchy> yeah i saw it in the discussions table
[11:59:59] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: if you need help fingin fpthe journal from a comment look into the message code. i know it is in there because i just jixed journal reply messages recently
[12:00:17] <crutchy> there's also a dkid (discussion kind) in the discussions table. was just wondeirng if it might be useful in some way
[12:00:31] <crutchy> xxx
[12:00:38] <crutchy> s/x/y/g
[12:00:39] <exec> <crutchy> yyy
[12:00:49] <crutchy> woohoo fixed that little bastard of a bug
[12:01:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh. nah i think i got the hang of it now. have two subs that do by discussion lookups. one for journals one for stories. both use memcache and a local cache.
[12:01:08] <crutchy> test/test
[12:01:25] <crutchy> s/\//\\/g
[12:01:26] <exec> <crutchy> test\test
[12:01:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> going to write a master wrapper sub that returns ($type, $id)
[12:03:40] <crutchy> s/test$/1234
[12:04:13] <chromas> crutchy++ except for that last one
[12:04:13] <Bender> karma - crutchy: 93
[12:04:23] <crutchy> test/test
[12:04:25] <crutchy> s/test$/1234
[12:05:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> journal code is like wicked different than story code for some reason
[12:06:10] <crutchy> test/test
[12:06:22] <crutchy> this that these those
[12:06:32] <crutchy> s/those$/hose/
[12:07:35] <crutchy> this that these those
[12:07:46] <crutchy> s/that/hose/
[12:07:47] <exec> <crutchy> this hose these those
[12:08:04] <crutchy> s/this/blows/
[12:08:05] <exec> <crutchy> blows that these those
[12:09:27] <crutchy> 1234567890abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz1234567890
[12:09:35] <crutchy> s/([0-9]*)([a-z]*)([0-9]*)/\2\1\2\2\1\3/
[12:10:07] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: polls also have comments and are a third case
[12:10:23] <crutchy> we need sedbot :(
[12:11:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, oooooh, you remembering stuff bastard! =P I was over halfway done!
[12:12:08] <paulej72> i just looked at the message code. they had acooment about it at about line1000
[12:12:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> what file?
[12:12:47] <paulej72> Messages.pm
[12:13:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> gracias
[12:13:48] <crutchy> jared@debian:~$ echo "1234567890abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz1234567890" | sed -e "s/([0-9]*)([a-z]*)([0-9]*)/\2\1\2\2\1\3/"
[12:13:49] <crutchy> sed: -e expression #1, char 40: invalid reference \3 on `s' command's RHS
[12:13:55] <paulej72> search for discussion is you cant find it
[12:14:00] <crutchy> ^ worked for bytram with sedbot???
[12:25:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know, i don't mind post data but rewriting the url pisses me off.
[12:30:19] <crutchy> rewrite te url? like mod_rewrite?
[12:31:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> like http://tmbvm.ddns.net rather than showing me what .pl file is actually handling it.
[12:31:17] <monopoly> ^ 04SN (TMB dev) journal 03img test 04(0 comments):
[12:39:12] <crutchy> ah
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[12:39:22] <crutchy> i guess that's mod_rewrite
[12:40:28] <crutchy> i use a common dispatcher. you'd prolly hate even more... the entire engineering app that i use at work has a single url
[12:41:33] <crutchy> i think i fixed sed's regex woes
[12:41:41] <crutchy> here's hoping anyway :/
[12:42:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, mechanicjay
[12:42:38] <mechanicjay> hey man
[12:42:49] <crutchy> me not knowing regex makes it hard to write a sedbot
[12:42:56] <crutchy> g'day mechanicjay
[12:43:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, whatcha need to know? i could use a change of pace.
[12:43:55] <mechanicjay> hey crutchy -- yeah regexes are one of those things. Some people can think in them very fluidly. I personally avoid them at all costs
[12:44:14] <crutchy> 1234567890abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz1234567890
[12:44:22] <crutchy> s/([0-9]*)([a-z]*)([0-9]*)/\2\1\2\2\1\3/
[12:44:22] <exec> <crutchy> abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz1234567890abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz12345678901234567890
[12:44:36] <crutchy> hmm that seemed to work
[12:45:03] <mechanicjay> You know what JWZ says about regular expressions, right?
[12:45:12] <crutchy> jwz?
[12:45:28] <crutchy> btw that regex was bytram's
[12:46:00] <mechanicjay> really? http://en.wikipedia.org
[12:46:01] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03Jamie Zawinski: Jamie Zawinski (born in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania), commonly known as jwz, is an American formerly professional Software Engineer responsible for significant contributions to the free software projects Mozilla and XEmacs, and early versio...
[12:46:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> go bytram. didn't know he had those kinda chops
[12:46:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> bytram++
[12:46:45] <Bender> karma - bytram: 16
[12:47:05] <crutchy> 0000-00-20 00:00 <blah> text
[12:47:20] <crutchy> s/^[0-9]{4}-[0-9]{2}-[0-9]{2} [0-9]{2}:[0-9]{2} <([^>]*)> (.*)$/blah/
[12:47:21] <mechanicjay> anyway, jwz says, "Some people, when confronted with a problem, think "I know, I'll use regular expressions." Now they have two problems."
[12:47:21] <exec> <crutchy> blah
[12:47:51] <crutchy> i think that one's a FoobarBazbot gem
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[12:48:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha! i figured the bastich out
[12:49:10] <crutchy> here's a bytram masterpiece:
[12:49:11] <crutchy> (22.8°C), dp: 1068.2°F (20.1°C), press: 101008.4 mb (0.1 mb over 0.3 hrs), humid: 1084%, wind: 104 mph (6.4 km/h) @ 10332°
[12:49:34] <crutchy> s#^([^F]+F )([^ ]*)(.*)$#\2#
[12:49:34] <exec> <crutchy> (20.1°C),
[12:50:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> well that's almost right. need to nuke the comma though
[12:51:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> s#^([^F]+F )([^ ]*),(.*)$#\2#
[12:51:21] <crutchy> i think it was pretty early in the morning when he showed me that one
[12:52:00] <crutchy> ~weather
[12:52:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> (22.8°C), dp: 68.2°F (20.1°C), press: 1008.4 mb (0.1 mb over 0.3 hrs), humid: 84%, wind: 4 mph (6.4 km/h) @ 332°
[12:52:30] <exec> process timed out: ~weather
[12:52:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> s#^([^F]+F )([^ ]*),(.*)$#\2#
[12:52:34] <exec> <TheMightyBuzzard> (20.1°C)
[12:52:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> better
[12:52:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~weather
[12:53:20] <exec> process timed out: ~weather
[12:54:00] <crutchy> ~isup weather.gladstonefamily.net
[12:54:05] <exec> weather.gladstonefamily.net: error connecting
[12:54:13] <crutchy> ooh?
[12:54:28] <crutchy> weather site is down?
[12:54:50] <crutchy> can anyone else get to it or is it just me?
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[12:56:40] <crutchy> oh oh
[12:57:28] <crutchy> i can't get to the weather site in ff either :(
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[12:58:54] <chromas> Same here
[12:59:42] <crutchy> ~time
[12:59:43] <exec> Friday, 22 August 2014 @ 10:59 pm EST - Traralgon VIC, Australia
[12:59:52] <crutchy> at least google still works :p
[13:01:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How to Read a Microbiome Study like a Scientist - http://sylnt.us - on-the-toilet
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[13:10:54] <crutchy> ~welcome off
[13:10:54] <exec> welcome disabled for 10#Soylent
[13:11:55] <crutchy> ~weather
[13:11:58] <exec> weather for 10Morwell (latrobe Valley Airport), VIC, Australia at 8:59 pm (EST) ~ 132 mins ago: temp: 108.8°C (47.8°F), dp: 108.5°C (47.3°F), press: 101029.9 mb (+0.1 mb/60 mins), humid: 1097%, wind: 100 km/h (0 mph) @ 100°
[13:13:28] <crutchy> ~queue
[13:13:32] <exec> *** SN submission queue: 15
[13:13:33] <exec> *** http://soylentnews.org
[13:26:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i'm not gonna get much more coding done today.
[13:27:13] <chromas> Whatever happened to Thursday?
[13:27:38] * chromas thinks he skipped over that day
[13:30:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> i blame the perpetual motion meetings
[13:30:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> or possibly mobius meetings
[13:31:21] <chromas> Need a bot that pops in with "circle jerk detected; bailing"
[13:32:17] <chromas> Archlinux++
[13:32:17] <Bender> karma - archlinux: 21
[13:32:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> archlinux++
[13:32:21] <Bender> karma - archlinux: 22
[13:32:40] <paulej72> chromas: that would go over like a lead balloon. NCommander would get his /kick out
[13:32:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> ati_not_keeping_up_with_archlinux--
[13:32:44] <Bender> karma - ati_not_keeping_up_with_archlinux: -1
[13:33:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, right but he might feel better for having something to take his frustrations out on
[13:33:59] <chromas> at least need it as a mod option
[13:34:02] <paulej72> what is half a lol, that what I did
[13:34:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> lc?
[13:35:08] <paulej72> iui
[13:36:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know, i think i have more problems naming subs than i do writing them
[13:37:09] <paulej72> subIReallyHateNamingSubs
[13:38:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> there ya go
[13:39:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> need something to call the story/journal/poll for a getBlahContent sub
[13:40:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> getContentForCommentsHead?
[13:41:05] <paulej72> getDiscussionParent
[13:41:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> works for me
[13:41:50] <paulej72> make sure that there is not already one :)
[13:41:51] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: s/ContentForComments//
[13:42:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, isn't one.
[13:43:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> this one's going to return a hashref with title = journal/story/poll title and content = what you'd expect. i hope. haven't looked at poll templates yet.
[13:45:35] <TK> Post an article here, and I'll give you three names for the sub
[13:45:43] <TK> No guarantee on quality
[13:46:04] <TK> But a guarantee on 3
[13:47:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh
[13:54:49] <paulej72> a
[13:54:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> s
[13:55:14] <paulej72> no a is an article
[13:57:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> very short one
[13:57:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> thought we had filters for minimum length
[14:01:37] <paulej72> only for Zero length
[14:02:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, Zeroes weren't very big and largely made out of plywood. still packed a punch if you didn't shoot them down before they hit the ship though.
[14:08:46] <paulej72> well they did load them with explosives
[14:11:40] <TK> God compares itself to a letter, one of them is omega, can you guess the other?
[14:12:09] <TK> This vowel makes up 10% of all explitives
[14:13:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm.... retrieving journal entries is pretty fucked up compared to getting articles.
[14:13:51] <paulej72> tell me about it
[14:14:52] <TK> The premier letter of the latin alphabet is here to answer your questions! AskSoylent: A
[14:15:46] * TheMightyBuzzard is tempted to write a much simplified getJournal to mirror getStory
[14:17:21] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: the message template uses discussion.url as the url to the parent article. Wherever this comes freom is getting it set coreectlu.
[14:17:42] <paulej72> journal;comments;default
[14:18:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[14:24:12] <paulej72> have you data;;dumped the discussion hash
[14:24:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> i can use regular old $journal->get($id, "article") and another call to get the title from the journals table i guess.
[14:25:04] <paulej72> the title is in the discussion hash as well
[14:25:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya?
[14:25:19] <paulej72> discussion.title
[14:25:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> handy
[14:26:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> means i really only need the $journal->get($id, "article")
[14:27:03] <paulej72> it is used in the printCmmentsMain template
[14:27:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> here's hoping it's valid for edit_comment;comments;default
[14:28:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, cheers
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[14:49:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> and progress is made. working 50% for journals.
[14:51:42] <paulej72> ?
[14:55:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> works for all replies
[14:56:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> doesn't work yet if you manage to find your way to just displaying the comments.
[14:56:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> op display vs op edit in comments.pl
[14:57:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://tmbvm.ddns.net
[14:57:44] <monopoly> ^ 03Journal of The Mighty Buzzard (18)
[14:58:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> hit "1 comment" and you get just the comments.
[14:58:19] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: I noticed that the details part was missing in the story/journal
[14:58:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya
[14:59:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> wasn't certain whether it needed to be there or not while you're replying
[14:59:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> and that's generally all this was for is to have there while you're replying as reference.
[15:00:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> will probably put it in after i figure out all the hard bits.
[15:01:14] <paulej72> k
[15:01:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, question... the above address... we have "1 comment" and "#251" both as links to the comments. one has a the entry and one doesn't.
[15:02:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> think we really need to keep the comments only link?
[15:03:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> and if we're going to make them both have the entry above them, why not just make them the same link?
[15:03:51] <paulej72> #251 is the main journal page like the article.pl pages. the comment page takes you to the comment.pl page that just houses the discussion. Your fix will put the journal at the top of this.
[15:04:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> right but i'm essentially duplicating work that's already been done if i fix that to be exactly the same as the #251 link
[15:05:08] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: you probably should run if statements to check if journals and poll plugins are installed before calling any of the that sutff
[15:06:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, really probably should but i haven't seen how since nobody else bloody has =P
[15:06:20] <paulej72> Just post the what you did for the comment edit function. You do not need to completetly mimic the #251 page
[15:06:51] <paulej72> if constatans plugin Journal someithg like that
[15:07:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> shurg, okey doke.
[15:08:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> will figure that out monday or something. i'm about out of friday coding time and weekends are the time on sprockets when we dance
[15:09:14] <paulej72> everyone needs time off :)
[15:10:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> going to go over and wash the blood out of the car seat for the neighbor's wife before it gets all funk nasty in the heat. then look into setting up some donation jars around town.
[15:13:51] <TK> "for" or "from"?
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[15:43:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, Bytram
[15:43:23] <Bytram> hey! Fixing bad reference in a story... back in a bit.
[15:43:27] <Bytram> oh...
[15:43:30] <Bytram> coffee++
[15:43:30] <Bender> karma - coffee: 663
[15:43:32] <Bytram> =)
[15:43:43] <Bytram> three more 'til pure evil. ;-)
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[15:45:58] <Blackmoore> coff++
[15:45:58] <Bender> karma - coff: 1
[15:46:01] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[15:46:02] <Bender> karma - coffee: 664
[15:46:19] <Blackmoore> hmm. i may need a keyboard soon.
[15:49:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> Blackmoore, http://www.amazon.com
[15:49:05] <monopoly> ^ 03Amazon.com: Razer BlackWidow 2014 Expert Mechanical Gaming Keyboard: Computers & Accessories ( http://www.amazon.com )
[15:49:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> i dig the hell out of mine so far
[15:50:49] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: when did you get it?
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[15:51:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> bout a month ago
[15:51:25] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:51:32] <Bytram> how's the noise level?
[15:51:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> noisy
[15:51:47] <Bytram> Model-M noisy?
[15:51:49] <ar> coffee--
[15:51:49] <Bender> karma - coffee: 663
[15:51:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> not like model m noisy but pretty clicky
[15:52:05] <mechanicjay> how's it compare to Das Keyboard noise wise?
[15:52:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can get the stealth version and lose the click if you like though.
[15:52:30] <ar> i'm still making excuses not to buy this thing: http://pckeyboard.com
[15:52:32] <monopoly> ^ 03Unicomp, Inc. PC 122 Black 5250 Buckling Spring USB
[15:53:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> ar, it's a good keyboard. buddy of mine has had one for about 3-4 years and zero complaints.
[15:53:21] <ar> that's the worst thing about it
[15:53:26] <ar> i know it's a good keyboard
[15:53:39] <ar> but then i'm perfectly happy with this one: arachnist.is-a.cat/keyboard/index.html
[15:53:44] <ar> http://arachnist.is-a.cat
[15:53:53] <Bytram> is the 'Das Keyboard' the one without any text on the keycaps?
[15:54:06] <mechanicjay> For the unaware, Unicomp is the current owner/producer of the Model M plant.
[15:54:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya
[15:55:05] <ar> i do consider the old thinkpad keyboards as the best thing that ever happened to laptop keyboards in general
[15:55:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> mechanicjay, they refuse to license the buckling spring patent too, so they're the only ones you can get buckling spring keyboards from aside from used.
[15:55:37] <ar> and i do consider what lenovo has been doing with newer thinkpad models a blasphemy
[15:55:51] <ar> i mean - chiclet? and no trackpoint buttons?
[15:56:04] <mechanicjay> TheMightyBuzzard: didn't know that. Not sure I blame them, It's a pretty limited market and folks have done good things with other type mechanical switches.
[15:56:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> ar, no idea how you can dig on both laptop and model m keyboards at the same time.
[15:56:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> mechanicjay, nod nod. i'd prefer to see some better variety though.
[15:56:32] <mechanicjay> ar: I agree, the old thinkpad keyboards are excellent laptop keyboard.
[15:57:17] <ar> TheMightyBuzzard: thinkpad keyboards are just pleasant to type on
[15:58:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, going to go get some breakfast then get to cleaning up a buttload of blood.
[15:58:20] <mechanicjay> I got a new MacBook Pro at work for testing/dev work -- I can't type on the damn thing, I'm ready to chuck it out the window.
[15:58:23] * Bytram found a ouple of old mechanical keyboards he had forgotten about, but they have a PS/2 connector and lacks an adapter atm :(
[16:00:03] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: btw, we really need a <del>...</del> or </strike>..<strike> capability on stories.
[16:00:32] <Bytram> themightybuzzard: ugh. btw, we really need a <del>...</del> or <strike>..</strike> capability on stories.
[16:01:03] <Bytram> we had some eroneous text in the story: http://soylentnews.org
[16:01:03] <monopoly> ^ 04SN article 03 How to Read a Microbiome Study like a Scientist 04(7 comments):
[16:01:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - White House Gives Up Making Coders Dress Like Adults - http://sylnt.us - casual-friday
[16:02:44] <paulej72> Bytram: how much are you willing to pay for thoes tags :)
[16:03:07] <Bytram> <style>del {text-decoration: line-through;}</style>
[16:03:54] <Bytram> should just be a matter of removing them from the blocked list, or adding them to the allowed list... so, may $.02 =)
[16:04:06] <Bytram> s/may/maybe/
[16:04:06] <exec> <Bytram> should just be a matter of removing them from the blocked list, or adding them to the allowed list... so, maybe $.02 =)
[16:04:33] <paulej72> well i need $0.03
[16:04:46] <Blackmoore> TheMightyBuzzard: I love the keys, but i need ergonomic.. I'll have to see what we can get inhouse.
[16:05:12] <Bytram> paulej72: have you tried asking a Canadian? I hear they don't use 'em any more!
[16:05:42] <paulej72> they use them,just not in cash form
[16:05:52] <Bytram> lol
[16:05:53] <ciri> i missed it, what are you laughing at? >.>
[16:07:40] <Bytram> but seriously, the story had a very wrong callout claiming it was published by "Evilvier" (in reality: Elsevier) with some in-cite-ful text about it. A reader pointed out it was actually owned by Macmillan Publishing Group. There was no way for me to actively indicate it was deleted and then include the correct information.
[16:08:03] <Bytram> I had to just delete the old text completely, and put in the new stuff. :(
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[16:08:26] <Ethanol-fueled> lol
[16:08:26] <ciri> heh
[16:08:30] <Ethanol-fueled> lol
[16:08:34] <Ethanol-fueled> lol
[16:08:34] <ciri> HEY! don't laugh at me
[16:08:38] <Ethanol-fueled> lol
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[16:12:12] <paulej72> we don’t have a sperate approved tags for admins :(
[16:12:56] <Bytram> hmm, so I should be able to use *any* tag? Somehow I doubt it.
[16:14:00] <Bytram> paulej72: btw, the "Intro Copy" box on the story page has suddenly been shrunk down to about 3 lines of text!???! any idea why?
[16:14:42] <paulej72> bytram reload you page, it should be 20 lines
[16:15:01] <Bytram> I've run into it several times this morning; did you just do something?
[16:15:06] <paulej72> wtf
[16:15:20] <paulej72> yes, but it is acting wrong
[16:16:09] <Bytram> what did you do?
[16:16:35] <Bytram> btw, it's working 'wrong' on dev, too.
[16:19:02] <Bytram> paulej72: are you 'bouncing' dev? I keep getting logged off!
[16:19:09] <paulej72> no
[16:20:08] <Bytram> hrmmm. Interesting. I'm playing with adding tags and found that <del> already works...
[16:20:15] <Bytram> then I added a table for fun,
[16:20:26] <Bytram> preview worked fine on the first attempt
[16:20:36] <Bytram> and then on the second attempt, I'd getlogged off. :(
[16:20:40] <Bytram> trying again.
[16:21:45] <Bytram> did a save and got logged off.
[16:22:01] <Bytram> but the preview looked good. :/
[16:22:27] <Bytram> reproducible!
[16:22:58] <Bytram> now I'm getting an internal server error. :/
[16:23:41] <Bytram> but, with a Ctrl-F5, I was able to bring up http://dev.soylentnews.org
[16:23:42] <monopoly> ^ 03Dev.SN: Dev.SN is dead developers
[16:24:10] <Bytram> try to login and get: Internal Server Error
[16:24:29] <Bytram> paulej72: ^^^
[16:24:39] <paulej72> just reload
[16:25:09] <Bytram> okay, ctrl-f5 got me back on dev; already logged in.
[16:26:01] <Bytram> I'm now gonna edit: http://dev.soylentnews.org
[16:26:01] <monopoly> ^ 03- Dev.SN User ( http://dev.soylentnews.org )
[16:26:13] <Bytram> UGH! Lost my copy/paste buffer!
[16:26:15] <Bytram> hold on
[16:26:41] <paulej72> reloading dev
[16:26:44] <Bytram> Intro Copy contained:
[16:26:45] <Bytram> <p class="byline">mrcoolbp writes:</p><p>In testing blockquoting, I've written this story:</p><blockquote><div><p>Soooooo, this would be the quoted article here. Yup, bunch of text is being quoted. Still more text. Lorum ipsum; blah, blah, and blah.</p></div></blockquote><p>That should do it.</p>
[16:27:04] <paulej72> ok check dev edit soty now
[16:27:09] <Bytram> k
[16:29:10] <Bytram> am replacing the "Intro Copy" with this:
[16:29:12] <Bytram> <p class="byline">mrcoolbp writes:</p><p>In testing blockquoting, <del>I've written</del> martyb updated this story:</p><blockquote><div><p>Soooooo, this would be the quoted article here. Yup, bunch of text is being quoted. Still more text. Lorum ipsum; blah, blah, and blah.</p>
[16:29:12] <Bytram> <blockquote>here's a nested blockquote for good measure</blockquote></div></blockquote><p>That should do it.</p>
[16:29:12] <Bytram> <p>And it looks like editors can use any tag they want? here's a table with a border of 1:
[16:29:13] <Bytram> <table border="1">
[16:29:15] <Bytram> <tr><td>td1a</td><td>td1b</td><tr>
[16:29:17] <Bytram> <tr><td>td2a</td><td>td2b</td><tr>
[16:29:19] <Bytram> </table>
[16:29:24] * Bytram clicked preview; looks good.
[16:29:37] <Bytram> cliecked update.
[16:29:43] <paulej72> was the textbox the correct sze
[16:30:02] <Bytram> checking...
[16:30:03] <paulej72> should be 20 rows or more
[16:30:12] <Bytram> AH! MUCH better! thanks!
[16:30:14] <Bytram> what happened?
[16:30:21] <paulej72> bad logic
[16:30:45] <paulej72> I was setting a var in the template toolkit and it did not like the perl I used.
[16:30:58] <Bytram> so, it looks like an editor can include more than the commenters can; take a look at: http://dev.soylentnews.org
[16:30:58] <monopoly> ^ 03- Dev.SN User ( http://dev.soylentnews.org )
[16:31:09] <Bytram> paulej72: nod nod. hth ;)
[16:31:28] <Bytram> ok, got to get ready for the day job.
[16:31:39] <paulej72> it was working in my account on dev, but I may have had something set funny
[16:32:19] <Bytram> yeah, it's not like you to let much get past ya. Are things fixed on prod, too?
[16:32:37] <Bytram> gtg; will check back in before I head out the door.
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[16:33:06] <paulej72> I have updated the template, but I am going to let ti just natrually let the caches clear unless it is an issue.
[16:33:57] <Bytram|afk> that's fine with me. Thanks again!
[16:35:36] <Bytram|afk> <ins>...</ins> works, but has a text-decoration of underline -- makes it look like a link; should prolly make it something else... bold, maybe?
[16:35:48] <Bytram|afk> I dunno.
[16:35:49] <Bytram|afk> tg
[16:35:51] <Bytram|afk> gtg
[16:35:53] <Bytram|afk> afk
[16:36:24] <paulej72> that is the default for insert, not sure what it should be though
[16:37:05] <prospectacle> It works!
[16:37:08] <prospectacle> http://typerise.com
[16:37:17] <prospectacle> This is my typing game I've been making. Enjoy
[16:39:56] <paulej72> prospectacle: after the the playing time stops, the graphs do not freeze.
[16:40:27] <paulej72> Safari on Mac OS 10.9
[16:41:37] <prospectacle> thanks paulej72
[16:42:44] <prospectacle> Testing now. So does the wpm keep dropping after you time is up?
[16:42:54] <paulej72> yes
[16:44:29] <paulej72> You should put in an option to toggle highlighting the sample text. That way you can really check how good you are.
[16:44:40] <prospectacle> I see it now, thanks.
[16:45:04] <prospectacle> It must still be firing the keydown on a disabled textarea I reckon, unlike the other browser. That should be easy to fix.
[16:49:47] <prospectacle> Yep, that was it. One second...
[16:50:17] <Bytram|afk> paulej72: for the time being, just leave <ins> formatting as it is.
[16:50:23] <Bytram|afk> thanks so much for the help!!!
[16:50:29] <Bytram|afk> paulej72++
[16:50:29] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 64
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[16:51:09] <prospectacle> Fixed
[16:53:25] <prospectacle> I always forget to test on safari
[16:54:21] <prospectacle> Of course they all have different js engines, even if most browsers use the same rendering engine. So I guess you gotta test 'em all.
[16:57:56] <prospectacle> well it's bed for me. A good day to all.
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[19:31:44] <chromas> Bender, must be the Bit Nazi
[19:53:14] <Subsentient> Ohhhh!!!!
[19:53:19] * Subsentient breaks out in song and dance
[19:53:31] <Subsentient> "I'm just a little bit NaziiiiII!"
[19:53:41] <Subsentient> "Nothing wrong with a swastika or two!"
[19:54:41] <Subsentient> "I get up in the morning just like you, then I give Adolf a heil or two!"
[19:54:51] * Subsentient audience cheers
[19:55:27] * Subsentient Disclaimer: is not a Nazi
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[20:31:19] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - China Serious in Getting Out of GMO Crops - http://sylnt.us - government-killing-business
[20:39:50] <Blackmoore> is it springtime for hitler?
[20:40:22] <mechanicjay> only if it's winter for Poland and France.
[20:54:12] <Blackmoore> cue the dancing girls
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[21:23:00] <mechanicjay> Goosestep the new step today!
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[21:52:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Fat is Good For You - http://sylnt.us - more-butter
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[23:19:38] <crutchy> coffee++
[23:19:38] <Bender> karma - coffee: 664
[23:19:41] <crutchy> coffee++
[23:19:41] <Bender> karma - coffee: 665
[23:19:42] <crutchy> coffee++
[23:19:42] <Bender> karma - coffee: 666
[23:19:59] <crutchy> there we go >:-)
[23:20:06] <chromas> magic_numbers++
[23:20:06] <Bender> karma - magic_numbers: 1
[23:20:16] <crutchy> the evil grind
[23:20:23] <chromas> Now we know just how eveil teh c offee is
[23:21:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - FCC Republican Wants to Let States Block Municipal Broadband - http://sylnt.us - the-start-of-another-bun-fight
[23:22:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[23:22:54] <Bender> karma - coffee: 667
[23:28:51] <crutchy> i wonder if that headline could be 'FCC Republican Prefers State Control of Broadband Over Federal Control'
[23:29:22] <crutchy> media used to always do that to Ron Paul
[23:29:56] <crutchy> if he said that it would be better if states did something instead of the federal government, they used to come out with headlines like bender
[23:30:58] <chromas> Rumbling_sky++
[23:30:58] <Bender> karma - rumbling_sky: 1
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[23:57:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> score
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