#Soylent | Logs for 2014-03-14
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[00:33:33] <xlefay> lalalalalala... it's quiet in here
[00:34:12] <xlefay> s/quiet/dead/
[00:34:13] <SedBot> <xlefay> lalalalalala... it's dead in here
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[00:35:10] <prospectacle> Good day.
[00:35:20] <xlefay> Yoooooooooo
[00:35:32] <xlefay> What's up?
[00:35:38] <prospectacle> If anyone is interested I have written some code you could use to run polls/count votes.
[00:35:39] <prospectacle> http://soylentnews.org
[00:38:52] <xlefay> That's PHP, the site itself uses Perl, I suppose one could make it run separately, they were discussing solutions for the poll stuff in #staff earlier, maybe they could use some more ideas ;-)
[00:40:59] <xlefay> think the log starts around here (there was more before but lot's of chatter in between..): http://logs.sylnt.us
[00:42:32] <prospectacle> Thanks
[00:49:00] <xlefay> http://bash.org
[00:50:42] <prospectacle> links don't seem to work on the logs
[00:50:53] <prospectacle> http://logs.sylnt.us
[00:51:03] <xlefay> prospectacle: they do if you click on them
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[00:51:15] <prospectacle> oh you're right. I see now
[00:51:21] <xlefay> =)
[00:52:03] <baaaacon> [SoylentNews] - NSA Auto-Attacks 0-day Exploits - http://sylnt.us - is-this-confirmation-not-revelation
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[01:04:58] <d33tah> https://soylentnews.org
[01:05:04] <d33tah> mod the fellow up!
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[02:01:01] <BadCoderFinger> Yo
[02:16:54] <Cmn32480> Yo mama?
[02:19:08] <BadCoderFinger> Not mine, heh
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[02:20:27] <Cmn32480> I just figured I'd check.
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[02:21:53] <BadCoderFinger> Mine's too grouchy for a "Yo"
[02:22:02] <Blackmoore> sup?
[02:23:03] <BadCoderFinger> Quiet today.
[02:23:54] <Blackmoore> well we do have a bit to think about.
[02:24:33] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah?
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[02:30:17] <baaaacon> [SoylentNews] - How Minnesota's Health Exchange Became an IT Disaster - http://sylnt.us - lowest-bidders-all-the-way-down
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[02:32:23] <BadCoderFinger> Hey Spalls
[02:32:38] <Blackmoore> nods at spalls
[02:32:59] <SpallsHurgenson> Salutations, greetings and yo-ho-ho and a bottle of rum to all you soylers!
[02:33:17] <SpallsHurgenson> that sounded cleverer before I actually said it
[02:33:27] <xlefay> !grab SpallsHurgenson
[02:33:27] <baaaacon> Added quote 26
[02:33:28] <xlefay> ;)
[02:33:30] <xlefay> yo
[02:33:31] <BadCoderFinger> Heh, "The Soyled!"
[02:36:53] <SpallsHurgenson> play that funky music, white boy. Play that funky music right!
[02:37:44] <Blackmoore> *puts away the chello*
[02:39:24] <SpallsHurgenson> Hey, I've seen some pretty funky cello playing.
[02:39:51] <Blackmoore> i was just watching 2 chellos, thunderstuck.
[02:41:26] <SpallsHurgenson> Na-ah ah-ah-ah, THUNDER! Na-ah ah-ah-ah, THUNDER!
[02:43:01] <SpallsHurgenson> btw, if there is ever a zombieapocalypse, just listen for that song: I'll be playing it loudly and shooting zombies to the beat :)
[02:46:16] * SpallsHurgenson likes to plan ahead :)
[02:47:12] <BadCoderFinger> It is good to have a plan.
[02:48:52] <Blackmoore> everyone should have a zombie apocolype plan. mine involves napalm.
[02:49:27] <SpallsHurgenson> I suppose that might work too. Doesn't sound like it'd be as much fun though.
[02:50:19] <SpallsHurgenson> and isn't having fun the whole point of the dead rising from the grave and destroying the world?
[02:50:34] <Blackmoore> well, the chainsaw is only good till it runs out of fuel, the shotgun till it runs out of ammo
[02:50:48] <Blackmoore> but zombies on fire?
[02:50:52] <Blackmoore> thats funny
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[02:51:46] <SpallsHurgenson> sure, you say that now. But when you're surrounded by toasting ghouls, your nostrils filled with the smell of bacon and knowing you can't eat ANY of it, we'll see who has the last laugh!
[02:52:29] <Blackmoore> hmm maybe the zombies have figured out we taste like bacon
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[02:52:46] <xlefay> hmmm.... is it wrong to want to be a zombie now?
[02:54:21] <SpallsHurgenson> not a problem; let me just crank up the volume...
[02:54:46] * xlefay probably should have read more than just the bacon lines...
[02:55:15] <SpallsHurgenson> this is IRC; context is not important.
[02:55:43] <xlefay> Ah good, good.
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[03:09:17] * SpallsHurgenson watches that thunder-cello video and giggles uncontrollably
[03:15:45] <sea> I'm HOME!
[03:15:53] <sea> shit, wrong chat
[03:16:23] <SpallsHurgenson> ooh, that hurts :)
[03:18:20] <paulej72> SpallsHurgenson: thanks for the hint on the video. that was lol good
[03:19:17] <SpallsHurgenson> all credit goes to Blackmoore
[03:19:45] <SpallsHurgenson> he mentioned it first. But I'll give the url: http://www.youtube.com :)
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[03:37:17] <FoobarBazbot_> poutine--
[03:37:17] <baaaacon> karma - poutine: -315
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[03:44:53] <paulej72> poutine--
[03:44:53] <baaaacon> karma - poutine: -316
[03:45:07] <pbnjoe> poutine--
[03:45:08] <baaaacon> karma - poutine: -317
[03:45:14] <Cmn32480> Somebody asked it in the comments section of the site today and I have no clue, so I'll ask here. WTF does the poutine-- thing mean?
[03:45:39] <SpallsHurgenson> AFAIK, "poutine" is the resident troll of the channel
[03:46:00] <FoobarBazbot_> poutine is a perpetual antogonistic naysayer, who most of us would term a troll.
[03:46:04] <FoobarBazbot_> poutine--
[03:46:04] <baaaacon> karma - poutine: -318
[03:46:07] <Cmn32480> no contest on that
[03:46:18] <FoobarBazbot_> He's not very popular hereabouts.
[03:46:51] <SpallsHurgenson> like a good troll, he has brought up some good points, but his attitude sort of works against his arguments :)
[03:48:01] <Cmn32480> got it. Thanks
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[03:49:48] <paulej72> Cmn32480: poutine makes some good points, but he makes personal attacks and as a general ass about everything
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[03:51:30] <SpallsHurgenson> although I guess calling him a "resident" isn't too accurate, as he never actually comes to this channel anymore :)
[03:52:11] <SpallsHurgenson> thank god for relaybots, eh? :-)
[03:53:36] <FoobarBazbot_> SpallsHurgenson: I don't believe he ever did come to this channel. Doesn't believe in a separate network
[03:54:36] <SpallsHurgenson> might've been #altslashdot back when it was part of freenode
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[04:03:53] <Ethanol-fueled> Spalls, who you talkin' about?
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[04:07:58] <SpallsHurgenson> I've lost track. Mom?
[04:11:34] <SpallsHurgenson> my mother is a notorious troll, and has been known to torment IRC channels for years :)
[04:12:43] <Cmn32480> So far, I have been successful in suppressing the urge to make "your momma" jokes.....
[04:12:59] <SpallsHurgenson> I think it's open season now :)
[04:13:42] <SpallsHurgenson> also, I'm pretty sure mom is a big girl and can withstand a few slurs thrown her way by internet hooligans like yourself ;-)
[04:14:39] <Cmn32480> Give me a sec... I'll ask her. She just got here.
[04:14:44] <SpallsHurgenson> yeah, that's right. I called you a HOOLIGAN. How do you feel about that, huh? ;-)
[04:16:01] <Ethanol-fueled> does momma shave?
[04:16:10] <Ethanol-fueled> You know, "down there?"
[04:16:18] <SpallsHurgenson> only her mustache, I think
[04:16:36] <Ethanol-fueled> I'll still boff your momma.
[04:17:16] <Ethanol-fueled> As long as she doesn't look like AC/DC's Brian Johnson.
[04:17:18] <Cmn32480> You looking for hardwood floors instead of carpet?
[04:18:18] <Ethanol-fueled> Cmn32480: When i was a kid, women wore granny-panties and didn't trim. But now even old fat ladies are trimming and wearing thongs under tight leggings.
[04:18:37] <Ethanol-fueled> I know because I walked in on my momma changing, many times.
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[04:19:04] <Ethanol-fueled> She called me a "fucking pervert" and threw her panties at me, and I would shut her door just in time to deflect them. They probably stank of the must.
[04:19:14] <Cmn32480> Ethanol-Fueled: That explains A LOT
[04:21:17] <Cmn32480> Having to bring the hedge trimmers to bed is not fun.... too much like yard work
[04:21:30] <Ethanol-fueled> Cmn32480: What, you never had a momma, and never accidentally walked in on her partially or completely naked?
[04:21:50] <Cmn32480> just once... and I have tried VERY hard to forget it
[04:23:50] <Ethanol-fueled> Caught momma usin' the ol' douchebag once. She forgot to lock the bathroom door (we were poorfags and had only one bathroom in the apartment) and I walked in on her with one leg up on the toilet juicin' up.
[04:23:57] <Cmn32480> Thanks for bringing back the repressed memory...
[04:24:19] <Blackmoore> and bringing back up my dinner
[04:24:44] <pbnjoe> Only the highest quality discussion here in #Soylent
[04:24:50] <Ethanol-fueled> This was after she had already told me that douching was a sexist tool of the patriarchy, and that discussion was prompted by my finding it under the bathroom sink. I blew it up like one of those balloons and started punching it around.
[04:25:13] <Ethanol-fueled> It looked and sounded a lot like those big durable balloons with the pull-string people like to hit and throw around at ball games.
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[04:25:41] <NezSez> pbnjoe: ssssoooooo....does the pbn stand for anything?
[04:25:44] <Ethanol-fueled> It was that surgical-scrub blue rubber, with a white plastic want protruding from it.
[04:25:49] <Blackmoore> i'll give you that
[04:26:02] <SpallsHurgenson> so, what's new in the soylent soap opera?
[04:26:09] <Cmn32480> I will take this kind of discussion to what has been going on the last 10 days. At least this is making me laugh
[04:26:37] <pbnjoe> NezSez, yes. My username is short for peanutbutter and coffee
[04:26:37] <SpallsHurgenson> has barrabas come back as an amnesiac? Is ncommander having somebody's baby?
[04:26:49] <NezSez> the new domain owner, matt_ , posted a journal I believe which explains a few things
[04:26:54] <pbnjoe> pronounced PB 'n' Joe
[04:26:56] <Ethanol-fueled> barrabas is an A.I. student. this is his baby.
[04:27:00] <NezSez> pbnjoe: LOL
[04:27:01] <Ethanol-fueled> EVERYBODY'S A BOT.
[04:27:19] <pbnjoe> I haven't thought about it in years :P
[04:27:26] <pbnjoe> so used to using it
[04:27:30] <Ethanol-fueled> But that David Michael Crawford bot needs an algorithm adjustment.
[04:27:30] <FoobarBazbot_> I'm not!
[04:27:38] * FoobarBazbot_ clanks out of the room
[04:27:44] <Ethanol-fueled> That shit is obvious as fuck.
[04:27:53] <NezSez> pbnjoe: well congrats sir! that is indeed a truly kick-ass nick I say
[04:28:08] <pbnjoe> Why, thank you very much
[04:28:20] <pbnjoe> You're actually the first to ask about it
[04:28:38] <NezSez> well what started me on it was this...
[04:29:03] <NezSez> many moons ago, on efnet in #music there used to be a guy who used the nick pb
[04:29:13] <SpallsHurgenson> I don't want things explained, I want drama! betrayal, love, backstabbing, scenes of sobbing forgiveness!
[04:29:19] <Ethanol-fueled> Have you ever worked retail at a store that sells douche? And how the women who are buying it at the checkout try to cover the box with other things so nobody notices? Well, the women things in her ignorance nobody notices, but everybody knows, especially the cashier.
[04:29:23] <FoobarBazbot> pbnjoe: that's what I assumed it was. Peanut-butter-and-coffee sandwich ftw.
[04:29:28] <mattie_p> new poll: get it while it is hot and before it is on the front page: http://soylentnews.org
[04:29:35] <Ethanol-fueled> Hey girl, whatcha got this for?
[04:29:39] <pbnjoe> FoobarBazbot, :D
[04:29:51] <NezSez> he was a friend, actually met him in person half a dozen times, and I thought geez, what if you were actually him
[04:30:29] <pbnjoe> Aw, sorry I'm not
[04:32:36] <Cmn32480> Ethanol-fueled: Is that kinda like getting the stuff for a colonoscopy?
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[04:35:20] <Ethanol-fueled> Cmn32480: not nearly as bad. Most douchers are either gay, whores, gay whores, or women who don't know how to use soap.
[04:36:35] <Ethanol-fueled> You need to be sedated for the great colon snake.
[04:36:58] <Ethanol-fueled> It will gape you open like a Black 300-pound prison bunkmate.
[04:38:00] <SpallsHurgenson> I bet the NSA is regretting the billions they spent to record everything on the Internet now :)
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[04:41:14] <prospectacle> mattie_p: thanks for the poll and update. You can tell a website an organisation is gonna really be something worth watching when it take the details of electoral systems seriously.
[04:41:24] <Ethanol-fueled> SpallsHurgenson: to hell with those sons of bitches.
[04:41:45] <MrBluze> yep
[04:44:17] <mattie_p> Ethanol-fueled, I have to lol at you recommending modding me down
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[04:44:29] <SpallsHurgenson> are we really interested in a "real poll" system? It's gonna be gamed either way
[04:45:04] <mattie_p> I'm pretty sure we can do our best to ungame it
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[04:45:09] <prospectacle> Better to be fairly good as opposed to not even try
[04:45:11] <kobach> rofl
[04:45:18] <mattie_p> it won't be perfect, but it is better than the system we currently have
[04:45:27] <MrBluze> uhm... Ethanol-fueled, can u tone down the uhh.. colourful language a bit?
[04:45:40] <NezSez> yeah the 80/20 rule ya know
[04:46:05] <SpallsHurgenson> I don't think anybody will ever take it seriously, even if you do. Internet polls are notoriously unreliable methods of gauging opinion
[04:46:17] <prospectacle> Current system is not even a quarter decent for anything serious. It's fine for a "Web poll" but not any real decisions.
[04:46:30] <Blackmoore> :P ethonol fueled -- using LDS tonight
[04:46:39] <prospectacle> Spalls, even removing AC and multiple votes would make a massive difference in the right direction.
[04:46:42] <SpallsHurgenson> current system never was INTENDED for anything serious, as far as I could tell
[04:46:55] <prospectacle> Allowing approval or stv would again make a massive difference to the quality
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[04:47:00] <MrBluze> current system is intended to stimulate discussion
[04:47:02] <MrBluze> not decide things
[04:47:03] <prospectacle> But these are not massive changes in terms of requirements
[04:47:23] <SpallsHurgenson> as a general point, I'm opposed to removing the AC option for anything :)
[04:48:10] <prospectacle> SpallsHurgenson: The existence of AC seems like it shouldnt' work but I think it does, and should be kept as a monument to the possibility that things don't have to be completely locked down to work
[04:48:14] <Ethanol-fueled> Blackmoore: sweet! gimme some.
[04:48:17] <Blackmoore> yeah but if we need a poll for a name or a structure then we need a way to do that with some acuracy
[04:48:17] <prospectacle> Kind of like WP in that sense
[04:48:18] <SpallsHurgenson> especially for something as pointless as trying to "fix" the polls. It'll just force the creation of more sock-puppet accounts
[04:48:21] <mattie_p> we are aware of that concern. However, a general rule in a democracy is one person, one vote. and those people must be authorized to vote
[04:48:28] <prospectacle> by which I mean wikipedia
[04:48:39] <kobach> poutine--
[04:48:39] <baaaacon> karma - poutine: -319
[04:48:51] <prospectacle> Spalls, you could in theory filter on karma, recent posting, no-sign-ups-after-poll-starts
[04:49:06] <juggs> baaaacon++
[04:49:06] <baaaacon> karma - baaaacon: 1
[04:49:07] <Cmn32480> Mattie-p: Not in Maryland they don't! It is illegal here to ask for ID before voting.
[04:49:20] <NezSez> why is allowing the realtime results possibly affecting voting considered bad?
[04:50:05] <Blackmoore> Fark effect, you end up with a name of Rick Rolled
[04:50:17] <SpallsHurgenson> ehn. I just think it is a lot of effort for something that won't offer any real tangible benefit.
[04:50:20] <Blackmoore> and a busness structure of hookers and blow
[04:50:23] <FoobarBazbot> NezSez: because if that gives later voters information to vote strategically that early voters don't have, it's pretty fucked up.
[04:50:38] <mattie_p> Cmn32480 I'm sure there is a register or something to sign, and besides, those ballots are probably cross-referenced against registered voters at some point
[04:50:40] <prospectacle> Spalls, what if there are lots of important polls. I mean this is just the name. But what about adding new features, new financial models, new services, etc
[04:51:06] <Ethanol-fueled> mattie_p: Nothing personal. Isn't it a requirement to be socialy-retardedly pedantic "on the floor?"
[04:51:07] <FoobarBazbot> Not only is it unfair to people in different timezones, etc., it creates an incentive to try to outwait everyone.
[04:51:17] <prospectacle> FoobarBazbot, strategic voting is less of an issue with some electoral systems than others
[04:51:21] <Ethanol-fueled> Hahahah
[04:51:45] <Ethanol-fueled> Sorrry MrBluze, but I can'
[04:52:02] <Cmn32480> mattie_p: They "verify" your address by asking you for it. Unbelievably crazy. I believe we had one district that had 103% turnout in the last presidential election.
[04:52:05] <Ethanol-fueled> t I can't guarantee I won't stumble in here drunk on a weekend and remember that I was told to tone it down.
[04:52:12] <mattie_p> Ethanol-fueled: trust me, I don't take it personally. I think its funny. But I'd get similar complaints if I posted a front page article explaining why we couldn't vote. Since I can't win either way, I do what I think is best
[04:52:12] <prospectacle> FoobarBazbot, stv has some problems on this front. (strategic voting), approval voting not immune but it's less of a problem.
[04:52:31] <NezSez> foobar: there is no solution, other than having all voters awake, ready and syncronized at the same moment then
[04:52:39] <SpallsHurgenson> while I appreciate the commitment to "the community", I also think the idea of running a website democratically is also sort of naive.
[04:52:40] <mattie_p> Cmn32480: Then I'd like to think we can do better here than in Maryland.
[04:52:44] <Ethanol-fueled> mattie_p: If you don't have principles, what do you have? Keep on truckin'.
[04:52:54] <FoobarBazbot> prospectacle: absolutely. And if we use a good voting system (approval ++), it may not matter, but AFAICS that's the reason concern exists about it.
[04:53:23] <FoobarBazbot> NezSez: If we don't show the results until the poll closes, I don't see how that's not a solution?
[04:53:28] <NezSez> the information they would get by waiting, is not much different than what would be gained if the merely went and researched relevant things before voting
[04:53:37] <prospectacle> FoobarBazbot, yes it's a valid concern to consider. I only mention it cause I proposed a system that would allow voting via the comment section, as a simple, direct approach (uses approval voting)
[04:53:37] <Cmn32480> mattie_p: If you can't do better than Maryland I'm gonna be disappointed. They can't find their ass with both hands and a flashlight.
[04:53:44] <mattie_p> We actually thought about running a poll on how to vote here. We decided redundant poll would be redundant
[04:53:48] <FoobarBazbot> prospectacle: I'm a big range/approval fan.
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[04:53:49] <NezSez> foobar: oh yes that would work
[04:53:56] <Ethanol-fueled> That would be pretty awesome if we could get a scientifically sound poll, free of dupes and other meddling.
[04:54:20] <Ethanol-fueled> A poll which could actually be trusted and taken into account to make big decisions.
[04:54:21] <mattie_p> It'll never be perfect. We're aiming for "good enough"
[04:54:25] <MrBluze> i vote we vote about how to vote
[04:54:31] <SpallsHurgenson> the problem with /. wasn't so much that it was owned and controlled by a select few; it was that they didn't not listen to the audience. You can have a responsive tyranny, after all :)
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[04:55:28] <NezSez> best form of government benign dictator
[04:55:47] <MrBluze> it is for small countries
[04:56:00] <Blackmoore> depends on which /. rob was resposive to some degree, and next group not as much and well Dice...
[04:56:01] <Cmn32480> What do penis potatoes have to do with anything?
[04:56:18] <SpallsHurgenson> I wouldn't necessarily go that far, but we're not really talking countries here, but a small website.
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[04:56:51] <prospectacle> Spalls, for now...
[04:57:15] <prospectacle> Wait until we've got embassies in every country and observer status in the UN security council
[04:57:41] <Blackmoore> hell, could we just go meet up in philadelpia?
[04:58:04] <Blackmoore> write up some kind of articles..
[04:58:06] <Ethanol-fueled> Let's meet up in California instead. We got me, Dopefish, Khyber, and who else?
[04:58:50] <Cmn32480> I vote Philly.
[04:59:15] <SpallsHurgenson> I vote Reykjavík
[04:59:41] <Cmn32480> I don't have that many frequent flyer miles. Or a passport
[04:59:48] <Blackmoore> well, i'll have to drive - so europe is out for me
[04:59:57] <prospectacle> FoobarBazbot: If you ever feel like reading it, would enjoy getting feedback on the approval voting system code I put in my journal
[05:00:04] <SpallsHurgenson> (I also create 50 other accounts to vote for Reykjavík as well :)
[05:00:05] <Blackmoore> Cabo San Lucas?
[05:00:28] <FoobarBazbot_> prospectacle: reading it right now, actually.
[05:00:33] <Cmn32480> Nah... can't drink the water
[05:00:37] <prospectacle> legend
[05:01:09] <Blackmoore> nah, the hotels have the filtration down,
[05:01:31] <Blackmoore> besides i'm freezing up here
[05:02:03] <Cmn32480> Charleston, SC? The Firefly Distillery is near there... legal moonshine
[05:02:19] <Blackmoore> i can work with that
[05:02:31] <Ethanol-fueled> Cmn32480, can we do Myrtle Beach?
[05:02:46] <Blackmoore> spring break?
[05:02:53] <prospectacle> I vote antarctica, sure it's cold and dangerou and a long way from everyone, but at least we'll all be equally unhappy
[05:03:03] <SpallsHurgenson> Buenos Aires! You can drive there!
[05:03:19] <NezSez> i vote Hawaii, but Buenos Aires is good too
[05:03:32] <drussell> prospectacle, It's an interesting idea but somewhat cumbersome and for any "votes" like the name rather than "polls" for regular fun fodder it needs to be a secret ballot
[05:03:34] <Cmn32480> Ethanol-fueled: I can live with that.
[05:03:49] <FoobarBazbot_> prospectacle, couple things...
[05:04:31] <prospectacle> drussel, secret ballots do seem popular. In politics they prevent recriminations/bullying. I wonder if that's as important on a website, though
[05:05:09] <SpallsHurgenson> Utica, New York. Nobody ever goes there, so we can be sure of getting hotel reservations :)
[05:05:17] <FoobarBazbot_> AIUI, it would accumulate votes from multiple comments. That's interesting -- not wrong, but not the first thing that comes to mind...
[05:05:20] <drussell> Personally, I think the voting booth should be separate from the poll section even if they share the same underlying framework
[05:05:50] <Blackmoore> Spalls - Utica, but in july, after they thaw out
[05:06:07] <drussell> prospectacle, I think if anything important is being decided in a web poll for community consensus like this, it must be secret ballot, yes, most definitely
[05:06:14] <prospectacle> Foobar, it's true, you might decide later you like one. I didn't see a problem with that as long as it filters out multiple votes for a candidate from the same person (which it does)
[05:06:33] <FoobarBazbot_> Second, this means a voter can change their mind and approve _more_ candidates later -- but there's no way for that voter to change their mind and _dis_approve a candidate they already approved.
[05:06:42] <Cmn32480> SpallsHurgenson: Do you know how cold it is in Utica? Currently 13 deg F
[05:06:54] * FoobarBazbot_ wonders if candidate-- could be used to add that capability
[05:07:00] <prospectacle> drussel, fair enough. I can imagine that being a popular opinion.
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[05:07:11] <drussell> prospectacle, It's really not the way to do it for the name vote, IMHO
[05:07:31] <prospectacle> Foobar, -- would be no problem to add. At some point of course, you've got to say. "Well we have to take you first answer".
[05:07:41] * SpallsHurgenson zooms in on a town near Utica using GoogleEarth, trying to figure out what those white splotches are... have I discovered the great marshmallow farms that new york is so famous for?
[05:07:45] <FoobarBazbot_> obviously, that would require processing them in the correct order.
[05:08:14] <prospectacle> drussel. Ok. Thanks for the feedback.
[05:08:22] <Ethanol-fueled> Foobar, that would create so much wishy-washiness that no consensus would be reached and no decisions made.
[05:08:24] <drussell> I'll try to put some of my thoughts together in a journal or wiki entry or something here tonight, I have a whole 'manifesto' on voting and polling brewing in my head...
[05:08:41] <prospectacle> Foobar, that's true, For approval I figured, ++ or nothing (-- is functionally the same as ++), and if you change your mind after, well, you should have thought about it first.
[05:08:44] <NezSez> if you can change your mind, and thus your vote, aren't we back to the unfairness argument for time zones, etc?
[05:08:53] <prospectacle> drussel. I know how you feel.
[05:08:56] <Blackmoore> well, there was this bizzard that kinda came through chigago , buffalo, syracue last nught
[05:09:03] <prospectacle> NezSez. Yes I agree, first answer only.
[05:09:12] <Ethanol-fueled> Blackmoore: are all the flights still being cancelled?
[05:09:16] <FoobarBazbot> NezSez, yes, I think that would be an issue
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[05:09:23] <NezSez> blackmoore: oh yeah I'm in Detroit :)
[05:09:41] <prospectacle> At least, no take-backs.
[05:10:22] <Blackmoore> NezSez - see all the more reason to head south mexico, keywest; something warm..
[05:10:26] * FoobarBazbot actually likes the idea of being able to change ones ballot througout the polling time, but it doesn't work when everybody can see all the ballots.
[05:10:27] <Cmn32480> NezSez: I'm in Memphis until tomorrow... it was 65 here today.
[05:10:47] <Cmn32480> and Elvis says hello.
[05:11:07] <NezSez> Cmn: I'm from TX originally; mom said it was 75 yesterday
[05:11:47] * SpallsHurgenson sings "I'm walking in Memphis, I'm walking with my feet ten feet off of Beale; walking in Memphis, but do I really feel the way I feel?"
[05:12:01] <NezSez> after this winter here, now if it's above about 27 F I don't wear a jacket
[05:12:15] <Ethanol-fueled> Hey, wait! About the polls -- it would be a pain in the ass to implement, but I think it would be a good idea to hook each vote directly with a username, and only those usernames which existed before the creation of the poll.
[05:12:41] <Ethanol-fueled> I know the libertarians and other freetards are going to shit at that idea, but wouldn't it be the most scientifically sound method?
[05:12:54] <prospectacle> Foobar, drussel. Thanks for your considerate feedback
[05:12:57] <Cmn32480> Ethanol-Fueled: isn't that the exact opposite of a secret ballot?
[05:13:00] <FoobarBazbot> Ethanol-fueled, I think basically every serious proposal has included that.
[05:13:20] <prospectacle> Ethanol: I think logging in to vote is one of the dominant ideas ATM, but not showing people who voted for what
[05:14:10] <drcoolbp> Ethanol-fuled: can still lead to massive amounts of sock-puppet acounts that will accumulate
[05:14:11] <Blackmoore> well secret or not the voting software can check the user name against a database, see if you are on it, and if you have voted.
[05:14:20] <Ethanol-fueled> Cmn32480: why does the ballot have to be secret? Is this a way to prevent another squallble among those who have the godlike powers to see who voted for what?
[05:14:22] <Cmn32480> Is a portino of the idea to turn off the account creation for the duration of the vote?
[05:14:27] <Ethanol-fueled> Yeah, good point BP
[05:14:41] <drcoolbp> thanks
[05:14:47] <Blackmoore> it just has to ecord the vote without an indictor of who did it
[05:14:49] <drcoolbp> we've been thinking a lot about it
[05:14:57] <Ethanol-fueled> Cmn, that's not a good idea because we need more readers. Maybe allow creation but disallow voting in that one poll.
[05:15:34] <Cmn32480> Have a check for UID below X?
[05:15:44] <Ethanol-fueled> I think that's the golden middle that won't piss off people trying to sign up.
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[05:16:10] <prospectacle> drcoolbp, I think it would be relatively easy to measure "real" people. e.g. commented X times in the last Y days. Karma of at least Z. Registered at least A hours before the vote opened.
[05:16:39] <prospectacle> (A might be 0, of course)
[05:16:50] <drcoolbp> prospectacle: maybe, but that adds even more work to re-working the poll system, I will however jot that down
[05:17:12] <Ethanol-fueled> Cmn32480: nobody's gonna want to join if there is institutionally-enforced UID-ism. We want new users that they too can attain the status of low-UID users except only the bragging rights.
[05:17:29] <prospectacle> drcoolbp, that's true. I don't know what the DB looks like but I was imagining these metrics would be fairly easy to tease out, if you're writing a can_they_vote($UID) function.
[05:17:36] <FoobarBazbot> prospectacle: It would be easy enough to get a pretty good accuracy. But the few false-positives will get _really_really_ mad about being flagged as bots and disenfranchised.
[05:18:04] <baaaacon> [Khyber] Good job on the censorship, mattie_p
[05:18:15] <drcoolbp> prospectacle: I'll try to gather some notes and post on the wiki, we are discussing this among staff, it's an important issue
[05:18:28] <FoobarBazbot> Ethanol-fueled: I think Cmn32480 is thinking X=the last UID at the time the poll goes up. if so, I don't see it as a problem.
[05:18:32] <prospectacle> Foobar, too true. I guess if the numbers are fairly simple and are publsihed, then any real people who let their accounts decay or karma drop can not complain.
[05:18:40] <Cmn32480> I mean for the purposes of this particular poll. UID had to be created prior to the day the poll got released
[05:18:43] <SpallsHurgenson> could just ask the question and read the responses :)
[05:18:48] <prospectacle> Foobar: Of course any bots that can maintain + karma and regular comments should be invited to stay
[05:18:56] <Ethanol-fueled> Ah, got it. Thanks.
[05:19:36] <drcoolbp> SpallsHurgenson: yes, I've considered this, it's just more difficult to draw impirical data from
[05:19:45] <Ethanol-fueled> How about a "probation period" based on time rather than karma?
[05:19:51] <drcoolbp> also people may still feel their voice isnt' being heard
[05:19:59] <FoobarBazbot> prospectacle: but if the numbers are fairly simple and published, it's easy to maintain sockpuppets at that level... I'm more concerned about one person running a string of sockpuppet manually or semi-manually, not truly autonomous bots.
[05:20:04] <SpallsHurgenson> ah, metrics. everybody loves those :)
[05:20:09] <Ethanol-fueled> (well, time and karma)
[05:20:20] <drcoolbp> Ethanol-fuled: still doesn't prevent sock-puppet accounts that have been around a while right?
[05:20:50] <Ethanol-fueled> coolbp: I hate to rain on your parade, but we're not popular enough for sockpuppets...yet :)
[05:20:53] <Cmn32480> Ethanol-fueled: Start creating your sock-puppet accounts now... then they will be ready by the time the poll gets released
[05:20:55] <prospectacle> drcool, spalls, if you're happy to just read the responses (despite responses being public), you can get empirical data by telling them to add a specific syntax to their comments (e.g. options++)
[05:21:28] * FoobarBazbot has more than one account, but hasn't thus far been arsed to karmawhore with the other ones.
[05:21:29] <drcoolbp> Ethanol-fuled: my arrogance is duly noted, but for the future it is still a concern
[05:21:38] <prospectacle> Foobar, yes that's a possibility. That possibility can not be mitigated against, it's simply impossible. At least you can force them to maintain regular, +karma comments, though
[05:21:39] <Ethanol-fueled> Cmn32480: Sockpuppeting ain't my style. It's why after I was banned permanently from posting on "the other site" I never started a new username even though I still posted anon and signed posts.
[05:22:41] <Blackmoore> night all.
[05:22:48] <NezSez> nighters blackmoore
[05:22:48] <Ethanol-fueled> night blackmoore
[05:22:56] <Cmn32480> night blackmoore
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[05:23:38] <mattie_p> relevant xkcd (partially) https://xkcd.com
[05:24:27] <FoobarBazbot> Incoming staff! everyone hide!
[05:24:31] <drcoolbp> mattie_p Awesome
[05:24:42] * SpallsHurgenson quickly pulls his pants back on
[05:24:45] <drcoolbp> foobarBazbot: I've been here for 15 minutes....
[05:25:24] <NezSez> lol
[05:25:24] <prospectacle> lol agree w/ xkcd. As long as the bar is high enough, we'd like nothing more than for bots to jump over it.
[05:26:05] * SpallsHurgenson is having problems passing captchas already ... and I'm almost mostly organic!
[05:26:43] <mattie_p> Khyber: where you at? I was trying to get you to settle down is all
[05:27:26] <NezSez> captcha dissonance: when either your eyesight, or display resolution aren't good enough to actually see the letters clearly thru the horrible lines
[05:28:21] <prospectacle> Simple english logic captchas can be useful. More effort to write, though
[05:28:48] <SpallsHurgenson> the less valuable the data on the website, the more difficult the captcha
[05:29:07] <prospectacle> If Spalls has three wheels of cheese, and he buys two more but he eats half of the new total. How well will he sleep/
[05:29:12] <drcoolbp> ethanol-fueled: PM
[05:30:31] <NezSez> "If the wife wants X, but the husband has a valid and sound argument for Y, what will the couple obtain?"
[05:30:44] <FoobarBazbot> A divorce
[05:30:48] <NezSez> LOL
[05:30:58] <NezSez> good answer
[05:31:58] <pbnjoe> Hahahaha
[05:35:15] <Cmn32480> Ladies, Gentlemen, and all the rest of you too..... Good night!
[05:35:28] <prospectacle> and a good night to you cmn
[05:35:30] <NezSez> nighters Cmn
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[05:37:18] <NezSez> so Foobar, since you've looked over the slashcode some, is it really as bad as I've heard?
[05:37:36] <NezSez> <--- hasn't had time to look at it yet
[05:37:48] <drcoolbp> I think he's busy in another channel, and yes, it's complex
[05:37:51] <FoobarBazbot> NezSez: Not sure where you got that from, I haven't looked at it at all.
[05:38:11] <FoobarBazbot> But I hear it's in perl, so probably yes.
[05:38:20] * FoobarBazbot ducks
[05:38:24] <NezSez> foo: I assumed you'd looked at the polling code at least
[05:38:35] <NezSez> yes it's in perl
[05:39:14] <FoobarBazbot> No, I was looking at the stuff prospectacle posted in his journal.
[05:39:24] <FoobarBazbot> haven't looked at the existing polling stuff.
[05:39:40] * FoobarBazbot heard that it's grottier than the rest of /code.
[05:40:03] <FoobarBazbot> s/it'/the polling stuff specifically i/
[05:40:03] <SedBot> <FoobarBazbot> heard that the polling stuff specifically is grottier than the rest of /code.
[05:40:42] <NezSez> lol
[05:42:31] * SpallsHurgenson returns, torn and bloody, from playing with kitteh
[05:45:13] * arti recommends item: laser point
[05:45:19] <FoobarBazbot> #staff 00:43 <prospectacle> Potentially could have write-in candidates? Put "newoption++" in your comment
[05:45:21] <arti> s/point/pointer/
[05:45:21] <SedBot> <arti> recommends item: laser pointer
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[05:46:01] <FoobarBazbot> prospectacle: suddenly the ability to approve additional candidates in later posts makes a *lot* of sense!
[05:46:31] <SpallsHurgenson> the cat has grown bored of the little red dot, and does not chase it anymore. I need to get down'n'dirty with string these days :)
[05:47:35] * NezSez sedbot can get down n dirty with string
[05:47:36] * SedBot is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[05:48:03] <NezSez> s/string/strings
[05:48:03] <SedBot> NyzSez, did you know there's THREE slashes in a proper s/// command?
[05:48:12] <pbnjoe> heheh
[05:48:14] <NezSez> doh!
[05:48:15] <arti> excellent
[05:48:23] <NezSez> nyzSez????
[05:48:31] <pbnjoe> yes, he mocks you
[05:48:55] <pbnjoe> watch
[05:49:02] <pbnjoe> s/watch/I'll probably be pbnjae
[05:49:02] * SedBot offers pbnjie a /
[05:49:08] <arti> heh
[05:49:10] <NezSez> SledBot, did you know there's no slashes and two e's in NezSez?
[05:49:21] * SpallsHurgenson surfs the world with googleearth and settles on Albion, NY as his target
[05:49:33] <NezSez> LOL
[05:50:07] * NezSez mocks SedBot
[05:50:18] <SpallsHurgenson> IRC fight! IRC fight!
[05:50:39] <NezSez> s/e/y/
[05:50:39] <SedBot> <NozSoz> mocks SydBot
[05:50:44] <NezSez> LOL
[05:50:52] <pbnjoe> HA
[05:51:10] <pbnjoe> you better step up your game NezSez
[05:51:31] <NezSez> ehehhe
[05:51:52] <NezSez> #include<idiotbot.h>
[05:52:26] <pbnjoe> heh
[05:53:06] <NezSez> well I'll just have to write an edbot
[05:53:54] <NezSez> will it munge regular /say output too or just /me actions?
[05:54:34] <NezSez> s/or/bore/
[05:54:34] <SedBot> <NezSez> will it munge regular /say output too bore just /me actions?
[05:54:42] <NezSez> well there ya go
[05:56:30] <NezSez> <----mocks me there
[05:56:44] <NezSez> s/there//
[05:56:44] <SedBot> <NezSez> <----mocks me
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[05:57:12] <NezSez> s/me/
[05:57:12] * SedBot offers NuzSyz a /
[05:57:30] <NezSez> s/me/!
[05:57:30] * SedBot tosses a / to NizSoz
[05:59:36] <NezSez> ok night all
[05:59:44] <NezSez> thnx for the comedy!
[05:59:50] <FoobarBazbot> lol, sedbot mocks your name for 1.5 uses every time you leave off a /
[05:59:50] * SedBot is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[06:00:13] <FoobarBazbot> He uses one of those up offering you /
[06:00:26] <NezSez> ah
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[06:00:34] <FoobarBazbot> So next time you use it, it will mock you yet again.
[06:00:45] <keplr> "Hubble Witnesses an Asteroid Disintegrating" recreating the /. feel with week old news. <3
[06:00:55] <FoobarBazbot> anyway, night.
[06:01:10] <NezSez> nighters foo
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[06:22:01] <keplr> I found a locally made 2% ABV beer
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[06:22:22] <juggs> is that a good thing?
[06:23:04] <keplr> Do you want to drink beer all day, and night, and never get drunk, and not be hung over the next day?
[06:23:31] <juggs> not really - I can imagine one could get very fat doing that :D
[06:23:42] <keplr> Then it's terrible and pointless.
[06:23:54] <juggs> haha - each to their own
[06:25:19] <keplr> I found Erdinger at a small shop, it was 5 months past the "best use" date
[06:25:26] <Nerdfest> Anyopne else getting the 503 when viewing details from the main page?
[06:26:08] <keplr> I live in this special place in California where you can get everything--including everything terrible.
[06:26:10] <Nerdfest> nevermind, main page gets it too.
[06:26:38] <mattie_p> yes, we are aware. Working the issue now
[06:26:41] <juggs> Nerdfest, I was getting random 503 when looking at comment Preview yesterday
[06:27:06] <juggs> keplr, are shops even allowed to sell out of date stuff?
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[06:27:24] <keplr> The Iranians who own the place probably don't care
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[06:27:51] <prospectacle> well that was interesting
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[06:28:05] <Subsentient1> What the hell?
[06:28:05] <wjwlsn> error
[06:28:08] <Subsentient1> SN is down?
[06:28:23] <keplr> Yes
[06:28:33] <juggs> oh noes - the sky is falling!
[06:29:10] * Subsentient1 drops on the floor and does a screaming tantrum
[06:29:35] <arti> dat cached pages
[06:29:54] <MrBluze> While we get through this minor technical glitch, we recommend you watch Swan lake on YouTube or something similar
[06:29:56] <wjwlsn> who
[06:30:22] <wjwlsn> did
[06:30:26] <Subsentient1> I gots a better idea.
[06:30:32] <Subsentient1> $burrito MrBluze
[06:30:32] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at MrBluze
[06:30:54] <MrBluze> Yummy
[06:31:17] <arti> mexican food is something i would miss leaving the states
[06:31:21] <arti> well, NA
[06:31:30] <keplr> Socal resident, I agree
[06:31:42] <wjwlsn> very
[06:31:46] <keplr> I just wish I could get real Chinese food here
[06:31:51] <keplr> Have to go to SF for that.
[06:32:00] <arti> i've had some german friends tell me about a mexican restaurant there, blows my mind
[06:32:07] <arti> keplr: there are places
[06:32:30] <arti> keplr, where abouts are you at?
[06:32:38] <keplr> There are NO authentic Chinese restaurants in my entire county
[06:32:44] <keplr> San Luis Obispo county
[06:33:04] <arti> ah yeah, all the more reason to become an expert at preparing it
[06:33:19] <arti> :O~
[06:33:41] <juggs> have wok will travel :D
[06:33:51] <keplr> I can cook better fried rice than you can get at chinese restuarants. Other dishes aren't in my wheel house since I'm vegetarian
[06:34:24] <wjwlsn> ever
[06:34:30] <arti> speaking of metal things, you seen a hang drum?
[06:34:50] <drcoolbp> NCommander is on scene, please stand by folks
[06:35:01] * nobbis standing by
[06:35:15] <NCommander> yeah need 2 minutes.
[06:35:21] <NCommander> just woke up
[06:35:29] <keplr> Can't throw a stone without hitting a Mexican immigrant who runs a food stand. I'm thankful for that
[06:35:32] * juggs makes coffee for NCommander
[06:35:37] <arti> keplr: plenty of variety with veggies
[06:36:08] <keplr> Real chinese uses a lot of pork and chicken flesh
[06:36:27] <MrBluze> Bacon++
[06:36:27] <baaaacon> karma - bacon: 167
[06:36:42] <keplr> I will use eggs, but have been trying to cut down
[06:36:48] <keplr> Ethical eggs are expensive
[06:37:07] <juggs> need protein from somewhere
[06:37:20] <keplr> You can get all your protein from plants
[06:37:31] <wjwlsn> rice
[06:37:32] <prospectacle> yeah right
[06:37:36] <juggs> yup I'm sure
[06:38:29] <wjwlsn> just
[06:38:29] <prospectacle> everyone knows protein comes from blood. Eat enough blood, blood pudding, blood sausage, blood milkshakes, get enough protein
[06:38:55] <keplr> I've been saying this for years. Humans NEED more animal blood. It keeps the spine straight!
[06:39:16] <keplr> -Dr. Spaceman
[06:39:27] <wjwlsn> drink
[06:42:17] <keplr> I figure if I cut out meat, most dairy, eggs, tobacco, masturbation, that I'll be able to drink as much as I want. Human health is bayesian right?
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[06:43:32] <zigbig> so... SN is offline?
[06:43:53] <wjwlsn> yep,
[06:44:25] <mattie_p> NCommander is on the case
[06:44:48] <zigbig> Just tech issues nothing nefarious?
[06:44:53] <juggs> the wizards are frantically waving wands and uttering incantations
[06:45:02] <mattie_p> does not appear to be anything serious at this time
[06:45:21] <juggs> perhaps a unicorn sacrifice is required :D
[06:45:30] <zigbig> Cool, thanks for doing the good work
[06:45:42] <prospectacle> I think if we all jump at the same time it will trip the restart interrupt
[06:46:09] <prospectacle> three
[06:46:14] <prospectacle> ...two
[06:46:16] <juggs> SIGJUMP ? which mumber is that agin?
[06:46:18] <prospectacle> ...one
[06:46:21] <prospectacle> ....jump!
[06:46:24] <wjwlsn> i
[06:46:45] <NCommander> I think Apache hung
[06:46:49] <NCommander> standby
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[06:46:57] <Robotron> hey guys
[06:47:04] <prospectacle> hi robotron
[06:47:07] <juggs> hey
[06:47:14] <Robotron> is the site down right now?
[06:47:19] <prospectacle> right
[06:47:20] <juggs> yup
[06:47:20] <NCommander> Yeah
[06:47:22] <NCommander> Its apache
[06:47:30] <NCommander> Let me see if I can figure out why it hung
[06:47:50] <juggs> my bet - OOM
[06:48:10] <drcoolbp> possible, we had that the other day, but it wasn't the root cause
[06:48:57] <juggs> ahh true, but OOM is what gets it killed after something runs amok. At least in my very very very little experience.
[06:49:25] <NCommander> Yeah
[06:49:27] <NCommander> Apache died
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[06:49:35] <NCommander> I see how to fix it, but I'm trying to get the error state before restarting
[06:50:27] <LaminatorX> I went to post the Pi Day story and was like, "Crap. I broke slash."
[06:50:33] <prospectacle> lol
[06:50:42] <prospectacle> it's because pi is infinite and it doesn't have that much capacity
[06:50:52] <prospectacle> you should have rounded
[06:50:54] <wjwlsn> how
[06:51:11] <LaminatorX> I overflowed the story input buffer, clearly.
[06:51:18] <NCommander> Well
[06:51:18] <NCommander> fuck
[06:51:27] <wjwlsn> ruh
[06:51:34] * NCommander debugs further
[06:51:36] <mattie_p> lol @ LaminatorX
[06:52:17] <Robotron> lol
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[06:52:30] <wjwlsn> that
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[06:52:52] <prospectacle> LaminatorX you should have just posted a summary of pi and then had a "[Read more (∞ more characters)]"
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[06:54:12] <NCommander> argh
[06:54:20] <NCommander> Ok, so it looks like this was a ticking timebomb
[06:54:30] <NCommander> With the SSL certificates we were using for MySQL
[06:55:52] <LaminatorX> Oh, there will be more characters, have no doubt.
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[06:58:22] <wjwlsn> good
[06:58:44] <GungnirSniper> AAAAA Error 503!
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[06:59:15] <drcoolbp> yes GungnirSniper, NCommander is on the jobg
[06:59:19] <drcoolbp> job*
[06:59:27] <NCommander> The SSL certificates expired on the database
[06:59:29] <NCommander> Working on it
[07:00:02] <GungnirSniper> I'm just happy I copied my submission to Notepad before submitting. Or else I'd be pulling out my remaining hair.
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[07:00:25] <drcoolbp> that wouldn't be ideal, unless you like that bald look....
[07:00:56] <GungnirSniper> The women I chase don't seem to like it. Nor my neckbeard.
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[07:01:07] <drcoolbp> noted
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[07:02:00] <NCommander> Yup
[07:02:06] <NCommander> COnfirmed outdate due to DB certs expiring
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[07:04:41] <prospectacle> What dedicated ops. One of my sites went down once and I didn't notice for two days.
[07:04:52] _MrBLuze is now known as MrBluze
[07:05:15] <NCommander> I'm making progress here
[07:05:19] <NCommander> Generating SSL certs is a bit slow
[07:05:31] <NCommander> Estimated 30-45 minutes to site restoration
[07:05:41] <drcoolbp> eeeck
[07:05:50] <prospectacle> legend
[07:05:52] <GungnirSniper> If they were quick, someone could crack the site with an old blackberry.
[07:06:29] <prospectacle> Thanks NCommander
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[07:10:55] * juggs offers up a sacrificial goat
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[07:20:03] <GungnirSniper> @NCommander, if you push in the Turbo button, it will be done faster.
[07:20:33] <NCommander> The problem is I keep DCing every 10 seconds
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[07:24:13] <jasassin> i was reading something about h.264 being paid for and "open sourced" by cisco awhile ago
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[07:24:23] <jasassin> i am curious...
[07:24:27] <juggs> screen or tmux are your friend when the DCing gremlins strike. Although I am sure I am preaching to the converted there :D
[07:24:34] <juggs> yes it's down
[07:24:51] <ar> guru meditation
[07:25:10] <MrBluze> except it's not an amiga
[07:25:13] <ar> how am i supposed to get my soylent fix, when the guru is meditating?
[07:25:21] <jasassin> what happens when h.264 becomes in everything and then cisco stops paying the fees to that llma or whatever shitty name they call thieveleves?
[07:25:27] <crutchy> hi mrbluze
[07:25:33] <MrBluze> hey crutchy
[07:25:38] <juggs> ar, meditate and patience will come to you :)
[07:25:40] <MrBluze> welcome to the friday crisis :)
[07:25:56] <crutchy> sounds fun
[07:26:12] <crutchy> i've just finished work, so i won't be stressing too much :-)
[07:26:21] <MrBluze> nah me neither
[07:26:25] <MrBluze> its nearly beer o'clock
[07:26:32] <jasassin> its always beer o clock bro
[07:26:46] <MrBluze> sometimes it's wine o'clock
[07:26:50] <jasassin> even a broken clock is right twice a day
[07:27:08] <crutchy> ooh i got a bottle of $2.50 aldi red in the cupboard
[07:27:11] <juggs> jasassin, the world will move on to something else. Hopefully that something will be unencumbered, although I doubt it.
[07:27:24] <MrBluze> yum
[07:27:30] <MrBluze> aldi red is mild and smooth
[07:27:32] <MrBluze> and damn cheap
[07:28:39] <jasassin> i was thinking about it juggs.... i dont really see how they can compress video anymore. theres only so much you can do with a set of data. i do not expect much further technology as far as video compression goes
[07:28:43] <NCommander> W00t
[07:28:50] <NCommander> We've got a new server certificate installed on the DB
[07:28:52] <crutchy> w00t!
[07:28:54] <NCommander> MySQL running again
[07:29:02] <crutchy> servers are overrated
[07:29:02] <NCommander> Just need to generate a client key and we're in business
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[07:29:13] <crutchy> we need more bacon
[07:29:14] <crutchy> !
[07:29:17] <MrBluze> bacon++
[07:29:17] <baaaacon> karma - bacon: 168
[07:29:20] <crutchy> a bacon server
[07:29:25] <MrBluze> if we had more bacon, none of this would have ever happened
[07:29:30] <jasassin> why the bacon
[07:29:31] <crutchy> of courne not
[07:29:41] <crutchy> s/courne/course/
[07:29:41] <SedBot> <crutchy> of course not
[07:29:46] * MrBluze thumps the table ... damn this bacon shortage
[07:29:54] <jasassin> do you like your bacon crunchy or rubbery?
[07:30:06] <juggs> jasassin, as time goes by and with b/width (for streaming) and storage (for storing) getting ever more accessible and affordable the drive to compress loses relevance.
[07:30:29] <juggs> LOL @ myself - " storage (for storing)"
[07:30:38] <juggs> I'm a fucking cretin
[07:31:05] <jasassin> you probably smoked more weed that i just did, it's ok
[07:31:11] <jasassin> we all do it at one point
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[07:31:14] <MrBluze> i like it double smoked
[07:31:38] <juggs> jasassin, no - it's the cider effect
[07:32:03] <jasassin> is that when your penis hurts... you dip it in cider?
[07:32:31] <juggs> I have lost the mental faculty to even begin to respond to that
[07:33:39] <GungnirSniper> Khronik is some dope-ass weed.
[07:34:20] <NCommander> Ok
[07:34:23] <NCommander> One down
[07:34:24] <NCommander> One to go
[07:35:16] <jasassin> please no talk about weed, i tried to get a job at walmart. it was depressing. i took the piss test, and it came out 100% kryptonite
[07:35:56] <baaaacon> [ksuhku] uh oh, "Error 503 Service Unavailable"
[07:36:02] <baaaacon> [ksuhku] whassup?
[07:36:09] <drussell> It's almost fixed...
[07:36:20] <juggs> ksuhku, NCommander is on it
[07:36:27] <baaaacon> [ksuhku] good to hear
[07:36:35] <crutchy> rebooting from other side of the earth
[07:36:54] <crutchy> nah i dunno
[07:37:12] <crutchy> prolly performing heart surgery on ol' apache
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[07:37:40] <jasassin> hahahahahhaha nice crutch
[07:37:45] <juggs> ah the joys of remote updates and config changes - time to reboot - please come back up, please come back up, please come back up, please come back up
[07:37:55] <baaaacon> [ksuhku] :)
[07:38:14] <jasassin> yeah nothing like remote reboots
[07:38:17] <mrgirlpluggedout> .op
[07:38:17] -!- mode/#Soylent [+o mrgirlpluggedout] by buttercake
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[07:39:19] <mrgirlpluggedout> .deop
[07:39:19] -!- mode/#Soylent [-o mrgirlpluggedout] by buttercake
[07:39:27] <NCommander> The openssl verify command isn't working right
[07:39:32] <baaaacon> [ksuhku] I guess it's like in Jurassic Park: the system DID come up, ... BUT you need to go through the raptor shed to flip the switches!
[07:39:35] * NCommander suspects he signed something wrong
[07:39:35] <NCommander> Let me just install the cert and pray
[07:40:01] <mrgirlpluggedout> .op
[07:40:01] -!- mode/#Soylent [+o mrgirlpluggedout] by buttercake
[07:40:10] <crutchy> openssl is fun
[07:40:19] <jasassin> can i hack?
[07:40:32] <ar> goto fai;
[07:40:34] <crutchy> apache 1.3... probably can
[07:40:36] <ar> damn
[07:40:38] <juggs> A question for those with the IRC-fu... why do people use a bot to do things like oping and deoping rather than rely on chanserv which can do the same?
[07:40:40] <ar> goto fail;*
[07:40:52] <jasassin> +mrgirlpluggedout .op
[07:41:07] <jasassin> it was just a hack attempt for fun
[07:41:17] <mrgirlpluggedout> .deop
[07:41:17] -!- mode/#Soylent [-o mrgirlpluggedout] by buttercake
[07:41:29] <ar> http://i.imgur.com
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[07:41:38] <crutchy> ssl vhost will probably be disabled eventually
[07:42:10] * crutchy is a cynic :-P
[07:42:13] <MrBluze_> Nice floor plan ar
[07:43:15] <jasassin> why doesn't this web client keep the scroller to the bottom
[07:43:17] <mrgirlpluggedout> juggs: Because Chanserv killed my pa.
[07:43:42] <juggs> your personal assistant mrgirlpluggedout ?
[07:43:49] <juggs> seems a bit harsh
[07:43:53] <jasassin> in the case of juggs... Chanserv.... you are NOT the father!
[07:43:57] <mrgirlpluggedout> jasassin--
[07:43:57] <baaaacon> karma - jasassin: -1
[07:44:00] <NCommander> BOOM
[07:44:13] <mrgirlpluggedout> That's for trying to hack your way into ops.
[07:44:15] <mrgirlpluggedout> jasassin++
[07:44:16] <baaaacon> karma - jasassin: 0
[07:44:17] <drussell> Sweet, nice work :)
[07:44:18] <NCommander> We're up
[07:44:20] <jasassin> sorry
[07:44:20] <mrgirlpluggedout> And that's for trying to hack your way into ops.
[07:44:31] <baaaacon> [ksuhku] yeehaaw!
[07:44:33] <jasassin> hey i should get a +1 for effort
[07:44:36] <juggs> good work NCommander
[07:44:46] <mrgirlpluggedout> .op
[07:44:46] -!- mode/#Soylent [+o mrgirlpluggedout] by buttercake
[07:44:48] <baaaacon> [ksuhku] well maasaged
[07:44:55] <baaaacon> [ksuhku] *massaged
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[07:45:01] <mrgirlpluggedout> .deop
[07:45:01] -!- mode/#Soylent [-o mrgirlpluggedout] by buttercake
[07:45:20] * MrBluze_ applauds
[07:45:23] <juggs> Time for incident report and lessons learnt - "umm, keep reminders when SSL certs are to expire"
[07:45:36] <crutchy> w00t!
[07:45:42] <MrBluze_> Need a maintenance calendar
[07:45:54] <NCommander> What time did we go down?
[07:45:56] <NCommander> Abotu an hour ago?
[07:45:57] <drussell> NCommander:I was about to offer to create an account on a server with ssh listening on 5922 but audioguy beat me to it :)
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[07:46:20] <crutchy> nah we just need a bookie :-P
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[07:46:46] <mrgirlpluggedout> bbl
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[07:47:46] <kobach> i see
[07:47:50] <kobach> goodnight #soylent
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[07:48:51] <juggs> aye - centralise that kind of thing rather than leave it with individual(s) MrBluze. Over the years I've seen so many sites and services get fubar'd by ssl cert expired or domain missed renewal, just becuase it was on only one sysadmin's todo - and they left.
[07:48:56] <jasassin> damn
[07:49:08] <jasassin> i lost all that hard earned karnma :)
[07:49:35] <jasassin> oh well
[07:49:44] <jasassin> i do eat bacon and love it so i guess that counts
[07:50:20] <baaaacon> [SoylentNews] - Math Equation Could Help Find Flight MH370 - http://sylnt.us - here-it-is-over-there-somewhere || Hubble Witnesses an Asteroid Disintegrating - http://sylnt.us - I-saw-what-you-did-there
[07:50:39] <GungnirSniper> Yes, 2AM eastern.
[07:51:11] <GungnirSniper> Make that about 1:58 per my 'error 503' comment.
[07:51:35] <juggs> I hereby propose that all references to time must be only be stated in UTC. :P
[07:52:24] <drussell> Yeah, it was dying for a couple minutes but totally crapped just before midnight my time
[07:52:57] <juggs> probably the length of time it took to expire cached stuff
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[07:53:58] <GungnirSniper> With DST I'm discombobulated on my UTC. Is East Coast now UTC-6 or still UTC-5?
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[07:56:08] <juggs> GungnirSniper, it only matters in human terms. All servers should (IMO) be permanently on UTC, then all the horrible DST nightmare goes out the window - leave that to the presentation layer.
[07:56:09] <stderr> GungnirSniper: http://tzdata-javascript.org Check the examples and demos at the bottom of the page.
[07:56:20] <stderr> juggs++
[07:56:20] <baaaacon> karma - juggs: 8
[07:56:26] <stderr> UTC++
[07:56:26] <baaaacon> karma - utc: 1
[07:56:47] <NCommander> juggs, actualy, slash enforces that
[07:56:54] <NCommander> If the database isn't set to run on GMT time, it goes SNAP
[07:59:08] <GungnirSniper> Oh crap, east coast is UTC-4 now. Let's hope my boss doesn't notice all my reports are UTC-6 at the moment. damn.
[07:59:22] <GungnirSniper> Hey, how do you change the user setting for time on the site?
[08:00:00] <crutchy> !time-circuits-on
[08:00:03] <drussell> GungnirSniper: On DST Eastern time is -4, yes
[08:00:15] <NCommander> http://soylentnews.org
[08:00:26] <baaaacon> [SoylentNews] - Unexpected Downtime: 14-03-2014 - http://sylnt.us - timebombs-are-exciting
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[08:04:13] <juggs> NCommander, GMT != UTC :P Although in most scenarios they can be considered to be the same unless extreme high precision is required.
[08:05:34] * NCommander sighs
[08:05:41] <drussell> True, but he still needs an:
[08:05:42] <NCommander> juggs, I'm just frustated with recent events
[08:05:47] <juggs> lol I expected that
[08:05:50] <drussell> NCommander++ for hard work
[08:05:50] <baaaacon> karma - ncommander: 11
[08:05:54] * NCommander feels like both downtimes were indirectly my fault
[08:06:32] <drussell> Don't beat yourself up... This is a fledgeling project! I'm amazed it's as polished as it is given the timeframe!
[08:06:38] <drussell> NCommander++
[08:06:38] <baaaacon> karma - ncommander: 12
[08:06:43] <MrBluze_> If it was someone else setting up the system it would have been their fault and a different problem
[08:06:46] <juggs> not really - just oversights in an overly busy and overly pressured phase in the site's development
[08:06:46] <NCommander> The DNS downtime was caused by a decision I made combined with known unknowns, and this was me failing to spotcheck the SSL cert
[08:07:10] <NCommander> At least this time the IRC stayed up!
[08:07:12] <NCommander> :-)
[08:07:22] <drussell> You know how many times I've let a cert expire on one of my mail servers or something and don't notice for a couple DAYS??!
[08:07:31] <MrBluze_> Well for another thing at least it wasn't an exploit
[08:07:37] <drussell> THAT make me feel bad :) You shouldn't
[08:08:35] <juggs> NCommander, don't beat yourself up. You've done sterling work. Look at the successes rather than the failures. Just learn from the few things that have fubar'd and put shit in place to stop them reoccurring and move on. Life's too short.
[08:09:08] <stderr> I'm glad CACert sends me lots^WLOTS of warnings before my certificates expire.
[08:09:12] <drussell> At first when everything seemed to be dying (seemingly including ssh), I thought maybe the 400TB ddos guy actually did something ;)
[08:10:34] <baaaacon> [SoylentNews] - Pi Day! - http://sylnt.us - Phi-is-way-awesomer
[08:10:56] <juggs> NCommander++
[08:10:56] <baaaacon> karma - ncommander: 13
[08:11:03] <juggs> baaacon++
[08:11:03] <baaaacon> karma - baaacon: 1
[08:11:07] <juggs> bah
[08:11:30] <juggs> juggs--
[08:11:32] <NCommander> drussell, Apache went into a tight spin loop
[08:11:35] <NCommander> drussell, which pegged the proc
[08:11:38] <NCommander> I think
[08:11:56] <juggs> didn't that happen in top gun after an engine flame out?
[08:12:05] <juggs> or was that a flat spin - I forget
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[08:13:51] <NCommander> FoobarBazbot, we're back up
[08:13:57] <NCommander> crisis resolved :-P
[08:14:00] <drussell> NCommander, Yeah, figured something like that...
[08:14:03] <NCommander> For once, this was just technical stupidity
[08:14:34] <drussell> Hmm, I tried to post a comment to pi day and it didn't show up...
[08:15:28] <FoobarBazbot_> Apologies for the quit/join spam, I'm tinkering with my irc client. :)
[08:15:42] <FoobarBazbot_> Glad to hear it.
[08:15:57] <stderr> The Pi Day stories is posted 44 minutes before the Unexpected Downtime story, but their order says otherwise. DST problem or something else?
[08:16:57] <juggs> Pi Day story?
[08:17:05] <juggs> I sees no Pi Day story
[08:17:35] <stderr> juggs: http://soylentnews.org
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[08:18:30] <GungnirSniper> I love that our fearless leader is a perfectionist.
[08:18:53] <prospectacle> NCommander++
[08:18:53] <baaaacon> karma - ncommander: 14
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[08:19:16] <juggs> I have MH370 @03:12AM / Hubble @04:39AM / Downtime @06:44AM on http://soylentnews.org
[08:19:49] <drussell> Yeah, something is still borked... I can preview my comment but hitting submit just goes back to the comment page without posting it...
[08:20:15] <juggs> I expect it's some caching still playing catch-up.
[08:20:15] <GungnirSniper> Worked OK for me.
[08:20:51] <juggs> I'm on the low B/W option so god knows what that throws into the equation
[08:21:41] <drussell> Well I hope my multiple attempts don't all show up eventually then... :) It's still not working for me. Wierd
[08:22:04] <drussell> I see another comment but can't seem to post
[08:22:56] <drussell> I had this problem once before, trying to put a comment on the top level didn't work so I rephrased and put it under another comment as a reply, so I never figured out why it didn't work
[08:23:23] <drussell> I've seen a couple other people mention that too... No idea what could be wrong though, that's wierd because it's worked for me every other time
[08:23:35] <juggs> I'm buying shares in Lithium futures. There are going to be people wandering out of trying to keep this slashcode upright needing lots of medication for PTSD.
[08:24:08] <stderr> It sometimes help to change a comment and then change it back... Weirdness...
[08:24:37] <juggs> caching
[08:28:26] <drussell> I tried changin it, tried starting again from the main page... It will not let me post to that story... Wierd... Hopefully it's just me on this session, some kind of problem with formkeys?
[08:28:52] <drussell> I know it is possible to have collisions, could it also sometimes mistake one somehow?
[08:28:55] <crutchy> maybe you need to sweet talk it into submission
[08:29:21] <drussell> Hmm, you're right... I tried swearing at it before givin' it some lovin' :)
[08:29:52] <crutchy> or you wait till it's not looking before you hit submit :-P
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[08:33:14] <juggs> crutchy, worked for me yesterday - I was getting 503 on every first attempt to preview a comment, a sneaky Back then do something in another tab before jumping back to the tab and hitting preview made it work every time. Catch it unawares or when it is distracted seems to be the way :D
[08:33:42] <juggs> I think slashcode has become sentient
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[08:45:45] <NCommander> juggs, :-P
[08:45:55] <NCommander> drussell, works for me
[08:46:11] <NCommander> :-/
[08:46:16] <drussell> Fixed it, see #dev
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[09:10:52] <baaaacon> [ksuhku] s/O'//
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[09:26:57] <NCommander> Ok
[09:27:26] <NCommander> Got a plan laided out to prevent this sort of shit happening again, identifying documentation gaps, *and* to build more redundency in the future
[09:27:59] <GungnirSniper> And bacon++
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[09:39:55] <NCommander> Ok, I think I can safely go offline for awhile
[09:44:37] <drussell> NCommander++
[09:44:37] <baaaacon> karma - ncommander: 15
[09:48:35] <juggs> drussell++
[09:48:35] <baaaacon> karma - drussell: 4
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[09:54:56] <baaaacon> [ksuhku] redundancy++
[09:54:56] <baaaacon> [!] karma - redundancy: 1
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[10:00:21] <juggs> oooh thank fuck
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[10:34:55] <TME520> Hi everyone
[10:35:09] <TME520> Week-end is coming and that's good news.
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[10:40:11] <juggs> holy schomely, I just read my last comment back to myself. I need to put down the keyboard an step away.
[10:40:35] * juggs heads to hibernation
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[11:06:02] <prospectacle> hello
[11:14:15] <TME520> hi
[11:14:31] <prospectacle> What's happening?
[11:15:56] <TME520> Basically, nothing.
[11:16:21] <TME520> I'm now at work, but I guess not everybody is living in the same timezone as me.
[11:16:33] <prospectacle> What time is it?
[11:16:39] <TME520> 11.16am
[11:17:29] <prospectacle> hmm, 916pm here
[11:17:50] <prospectacle> I think we're opressed minorities. Site seems to go quiet outside of america day time.
[11:18:01] <TME520> ;-)
[11:19:25] <prospectacle> We better have a recruiting drive. Soylent committe for advancement of lesser known longitudes
[11:20:02] <TME520> Well, I often feel like Internet is an American thing.
[11:20:29] <prospectacle> They invented it. But the web was invented in switzerland by a brit
[11:20:40] <prospectacle> so I mean. come on.
[11:20:50] <TME520> True
[11:22:12] <TME520> Oh, it occurs to me that if it's 9.16pm for you, you're probably living in Australia. Right ?
[11:22:38] <prospectacle> Correct
[11:23:05] <prospectacle> I also would have accepted Guam or Yakutsk
[11:23:13] <prospectacle> just kidding it's australia.
[11:23:30] <TME520> :-)
[11:23:42] <prospectacle> What country are you in? at 1116. Is it in europe somewhere?
[11:24:00] <TME520> Yes, near the Eiffel Tower.
[11:24:24] <prospectacle> hmm, that sounds like a clue...
[11:24:31] * prospectacle googles furiously
[11:24:32] <TME520> Cheese, wine...
[11:24:42] <prospectacle> oh, oh, I know, is it las vegas?
[11:24:50] <TME520> "Bonjour", "Camembert"
[11:25:09] <TME520> :-)
[11:25:52] <TME520> Anyway, I should settle in Australia around June this year
[11:25:57] <prospectacle> I would say "You have good english", but you probably have better english than me. Everyone seems to have good english these days.
[11:26:01] <TME520> So, bye bye Paris.
[11:26:09] <prospectacle> Cool, are you working there or visiting or what?
[11:26:24] <TME520> I will be living there with my family.
[11:26:31] <prospectacle> I mean here
[11:26:40] <TME520> Won't be coming back to France anytime soon.
[11:26:44] <prospectacle> Nice
[11:27:14] <TME520> Australia is quite a change from France.
[11:27:31] <Konomi> any drop bears try to eat you yet?
[11:27:36] <prospectacle> Had enough of civil law, longing for some common law to soothe the burn?
[11:28:10] <prospectacle> Yeah quite a change. Must be a big decision to move so far geographically and culturally
[11:28:10] <TME520> I mean, geographically speaking. The way of life is different too.
[11:28:18] <TME520> Sure
[11:28:29] <prospectacle> We eat while walking, alone even. It's not uncommon.
[11:28:55] <prospectacle> Sometimes we drink wine out of boxes
[11:29:04] <TME520> Pure madness :-)
[11:29:48] <TME520> I noticed you tend to pack camembert in aluminium cans.
[11:29:52] <Konomi> just don't let george pell get too close he might try to touch you
[11:30:29] <prospectacle> George pell is off to the vatican. To be their accountan,t I think
[11:30:39] <prospectacle> Good by george
[11:31:25] <TME520> It may seem weird at first, but the biggest difference for me is the location of Australia on the world map.
[11:31:36] <prospectacle> Yeah, we have some good brie, from king island. Triple cream they call it.
[11:32:33] <TME520> I'm so used to leave in Europe near Austria, Switzerland...
[11:33:10] <TME520> In Australia, my neighboors will be Kiwis, Penguins and Asians
[11:33:20] <TME520> Big cultural shift.
[11:33:36] <prospectacle> Yeah I would love to live in middle of europe for a few years. Trains to germany, france, england, switzerland, etc
[11:33:50] <prospectacle> What brings you to our sunny, melanoma inducing shores?
[11:34:04] <TME520> My wife is Australian
[11:34:30] <TME520> Plus, Paris is nice for tourism, but quite shitty as a home.
[11:34:31] <prospectacle> makes sense
[11:34:56] <TME520> Imagine the subway here is more than 100 years old.
[11:35:11] <prospectacle> Cool
[11:35:28] <TME520> I used to leave in a flat built before the French Revolution of 1789.
[11:35:49] * TME520 wonders why he writes "leave" instead of "live" ...
[11:35:58] <prospectacle> To keep up the accent
[11:36:02] <TME520> :-)
[11:36:22] <prospectacle> Well, you will see australia a very new country. Sometimes it looks like a temporary outpost compared to europe.
[11:36:29] <TME520> Excuse me, my boss is calling me in his office
[11:36:31] <prospectacle> Unless you go to melbourne or sydney, they're proper cities
[11:36:37] <prospectacle> good luck
[11:36:38] <TME520> I have to go presto presto
[11:36:50] <TME520> I will live in Melbourne
[11:36:54] <TME520> Very nice city
[11:37:12] <TME520> See you later
[11:37:23] <prospectacle> See you
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[12:03:41] <NCommander> TME520, the NYC Subway celebrated 100 a in 2004
[12:10:35] <baaaacon> [SoylentNews] - Telsla Direct Sales Blocked by Law in New Jersey - http://sylnt.us - won't-someone-please-think-of-the-dealerships
[12:16:46] <crutchy> g'day
[12:17:00] <G-forze> Telsla
[12:17:05] <G-forze> nice :)
[12:25:16] <Konomi> free market will fix... nevermind
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[12:59:58] <baaaacon> [ksuhku] upholding the traditions I see
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[13:11:33] <crutchy> night all
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[13:29:01] <weeds> Good Morning
[13:30:10] <prospectacle> hello
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[13:37:22] <weeds> Happy Pi day!
[13:40:21] <TME520> hi
[13:41:26] <Alberto> Morning girls & boys
[13:41:28] <Alberto> :)
[13:41:43] <baaaacon> [SoylentNews] - Tesla Direct Sales Blocked by Law in New Jersey - http://sylnt.us - won't-someone-please-think-of-the-dealerships
[13:43:24] <Alberto> bacon++
[13:43:24] <baaaacon> karma - bacon: 169
[13:47:47] <mattie_p> coffee++
[13:47:47] <baaaacon> karma - coffee: 3
[13:47:55] <mattie_p> wow, we need to get on that
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[13:57:35] <weeds> hey mattie
[14:00:58] <mattie_p> sup, weeds
[14:02:29] * Alberto need some weeds
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[14:02:41] <Alberto> .voice
[14:02:44] <Alberto> T_T
[14:02:48] <Alberto> hate you buttercake
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[14:06:33] <weeds> mattie_p: have you seen this bit about SN blocking dissent? http://slashdot.org
[14:08:42] <mattie_p> weeds I have
[14:08:50] <mattie_p> It wasn't dissent I was blocking
[14:08:59] <mattie_p> I'll move it to a journal, I suspect
[14:10:42] <LaminatorX> Ranting and DoS threats != dissent.
[14:10:44] <mattie_p> oh, thats on /.
[14:11:30] <LaminatorX> "The blockade?"
[14:12:59] <weeds> Is cool with me. Someone is going to get pissed no matter what we do. (I hope you don't mind me saying we)
[14:13:16] <weeds> yes, what is the blockade?
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[14:18:04] * LaminatorX waits to be banned for mentioning it. ... ... ... ... OK then.
[14:18:36] <baaaacon> [ksuhku] it's good we're on /., nevermind the content
[14:19:13] <baaaacon> [ksuhku] I mean featured there, haven't visited it since the Cott
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[14:20:41] <crutchy> ##
[14:21:14] <mattie_p> weeds, just responded to that /. submission
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[14:34:43] <weeds> mattie_p: I left right after that pretty offensive post and missed the rest.
[14:35:02] <Alberto> This http://slashdot.org is a good signal
[14:35:10] <Alberto> means SoyLent is getting popular
[14:35:10] <Alberto> :D
[14:36:02] <baaaacon> [ksuhku] netcraft confirm it
[14:36:16] <baaaacon> [ksuhku] they also confirm I can't type...
[14:39:16] <Alberto> whats the channel on freenode?
[14:40:22] <baaaacon> [ksuhku] ##altslashdot Alberto
[14:40:29] <baaaacon> [SoylentNews] - RIAA CEO Wants Google to Stop 'Whack-A-Mole' - http://sylnt.us - blather-rinse-repeat
[14:40:57] <baaaacon> [bet0x] Wazaaaaaaaaa
[14:41:05] <baaaacon> [bet0x] Alberto is so sexy
[14:41:09] <Alberto> i know
[14:41:36] <baaaacon> [ksuhku] welcome to the dork side (we have cookies)
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[14:41:49] <baaaacon> [bet0x] where is dat putine troll
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[15:05:40] <drgibbon> what's "The blockade" ?
[15:06:04] <drgibbon> on that /. article by Khyber?
[15:06:07] <drgibbon> http://slashdot.org
[15:06:54] <drcoolbp> anyone seen Khyber around?
[15:07:03] <drcoolbp> he's freaking out over there
[15:07:13] <drgibbon> what exactly is he talking about?
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[15:08:53] <drcoolbp> he was banned from IRC
[15:08:54] <mattie_p> I'll I already responded there and opened the logs
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[15:09:29] <drcoolbp> oh mattie_p is here
[15:09:32] <drcoolbp> hey there
[15:09:36] <mattie_p> yeah, here
[15:09:49] <drcoolbp> did he respondto you yet mattie_p?
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[15:10:17] <mattie_p> probably in various spaces. once in the comments somewhere directly, maybe on /.
[15:10:46] <weeds> mattie: would you please post the link to that story again...
[15:11:05] <mattie_p> http://soylentnews.org
[15:11:11] <mattie_p> which story, the /. one?
[15:11:26] <mattie_p> http://slashdot.org
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[15:11:34] <weeds> yes, thanks
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[15:16:04] <weeds> 2 cents added from "tist"
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[15:19:40] <mattie_p> you guys really don't need to mod me up, you know.
[15:19:50] <mattie_p> I'm already at karma cap on both /. and SN
[15:20:10] <dx3bydt3> mattie_p++
[15:20:10] <baaaacon> karma - mattie_p: 15
[15:20:25] <dx3bydt3> Not capped here yet though!
[15:21:09] <mattie_p> from what I've heard, we use python magic numbers for karma here, there is no cap
[15:25:20] <weeds> mattie_p: your comment on /. is modded as 4: Informative
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[15:31:32] <mattie_p> yeah, I saw that. Probably because I actually provided some factual information. I suspect if Khyber were to provide facts or a reasoned opinion he might be listened to as well.
[15:41:19] <GungnirSniper> "Where we're going, we don't need facts." - George W.
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[15:54:19] <baaaacon> [ksuhku] GungnirSniper, :D
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[16:48:55] <FoobarBazbot> Hello, SoyCow3234!
[16:48:57] * FoobarBazbot warms up the SoyGrill
[16:49:18] <drcoolbp> hehehe
[16:49:42] <drcoolbp> foobarBazbot, nice discussion last night, thanks for participating
[16:50:24] <drcoolbp> I would've voiced you but you only said two things
[16:50:54] <FoobarBazbot_> drcoolbp, glad to be involved. especially in ways that involve talking rather than actual work... ;)
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[16:51:10] <drcoolbp> I love how much feedback this community has to offer
[16:52:20] <n1> more than you can cope with ;)
[16:53:32] <FoobarBazbot_> y'know, it kinda reminds me of a comncept from (among other places) Glen Cook's Starfisher series.
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[16:55:03] <n1> i've actually been reserving all my feedback, as i know you guys have enough already and my thoughts will no doubt be made more eloquently by someone else
[16:55:12] <FoobarBazbot_> It's set in the future, where humans are spread over many systems, and posits that Old-Earthers are stupid, inertiic cows (no offense, SoyCows), because all the brightest and most adventuresome genes have been removed froom the population by going to space.
[16:55:58] <FoobarBazbot_> SN = the outworlds, /. = old earth
[16:56:44] <n1> some people would like it that way
[16:57:01] <n1> 'progession' fucks with tradition
[16:57:05] <FoobarBazbot_> I think by having the people who were quickest to get irritated and leave, and leaving the people who complacently accept whatever is fed them, we win.
[16:57:09] <n1> progression even
[16:57:33] <n1> here is a slight contradiction to that though, as we didnt want the 'progress' we were offered
[16:57:56] <n1> but the progression appears to be manifesting in the organization rather than the output
[16:58:41] <drcoolbp> n1?
[16:58:48] <drcoolbp> why would you reseve?
[16:58:52] <drcoolbp> reserve*
[16:58:58] <drcoolbp> we need un-relenting feedback
[16:59:51] <n1> just from what ive seen, youve already got enough feedback and some from people with very strong opinions with the time to defend them and go on at length, i've added my 2cents occasionally but i'm not going to force my opinion on anyone
[17:00:16] <n1> i will admit, i might have voted more than once on the IRC poll ... shhh
[17:00:50] <drcoolbp> Oh we're well aware of the problems with the polling system (there's even a disclaimer)
[17:00:59] <drcoolbp> There was a huge discussion about it last night
[17:01:14] <drcoolbp> n1: there's never "enough" feedback
[17:01:20] * FoobarBazbot_ is too scrupulous for his own good.
[17:01:22] <n1> if it means we dont go back to freenode, i wouldnt call it a problem ;) yay corruption :p
[17:01:43] <drcoolbp> unless someone is saying something already, I'd say go ahead and add in as many cents as you can (we have no income anyway) = )
[17:01:48] <FoobarBazbot_> I have multiple accounts, but only voted one time, with one of them.
[17:01:49] <n1> but in general, i think the site is going in the right direction
[17:02:02] <n1> if that changes, then i may be more vocal
[17:02:26] <FoobarBazbot_> And then I saw the foofuraw about ballot stuffing and all...
[17:02:55] <drcoolbp> we fully admit that system is inherently flawed, hence all the discussion
[17:03:09] <n1> the system has always been flawed afaik
[17:03:14] <drcoolbp> true
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[17:03:22] <drcoolbp> but that was is pretty poor
[17:03:26] <n1> i've voted multiple times on the old site on most polls, not through malice, just forgetting i already have
[17:03:32] <drcoolbp> I'm personally torn right now as *IF* we are to change the name, I think we should do it soon
[17:03:39] <NCommander> drcoolbp, agreed
[17:03:42] <n1> i do tend to agree
[17:03:47] <drcoolbp> it looks like the best solution is a 3rd party one
[17:03:54] <Cyprus> or /dev/random
[17:03:56] <drcoolbp> even if it is just for this one decision
[17:03:57] <Cyprus> at least it's honest
[17:04:02] <n1> i'm not a fan of the soylent name at all, its not the end of the world
[17:04:08] <n1> but i dont think it's going to help bring new users
[17:04:08] <Cyprus> =)
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[17:05:42] <drcoolbp> n1: with the site name I'd say it's arbitrary, hence having the community decide what they like best
[17:05:53] <drcoolbp> that's why we want to get this vote right
[17:06:51] <drcoolbp> It's important and pressing (as I stated above, it should happen sooner rather then later)
[17:07:01] <n1> i agree, it doesnt actually matter to me... but to try and make the community larger, it needs to be a bit more 'marketable' than soylentnews.
[17:07:14] <n1> otherwise we might as well do what some of the suggestions have been and just use the linode url
[17:07:37] <drcoolbp> that was NCommander's suggestion (or he at least endorsed it)
[17:07:46] <drcoolbp> I think it flies on the extreme end of geeky though
[17:08:33] <n1> yeah, it wouldn't matter for us, but it wont help the site reach more people, want it to be accessable to the community can not on rival, but be better than the old site
[17:08:58] <n1> so stay away from over the top geekdom and the site running on in-jokes
[17:09:30] <drcoolbp> a slash site running on in-jokes? I'd never hear of that.....
[17:09:38] <n1> the in jokes are fine
[17:09:44] <n1> but not to the exclusion of people who dont know/get it
[17:10:26] <drcoolbp> good point
[17:10:35] <n1> and my feeling on the soylent name is, it can give impression that the site is a joke already- not taking ourselves seriously
[17:10:44] <drcoolbp> do you guys want to hear the short-list of names we have?
[17:10:50] <n1> its a difficult balance, i dont know the answer
[17:10:51] <n1> sure
[17:11:04] <drcoolbp> soylentnews
[17:11:04] <drcoolbp> port119.net
[17:11:04] <drcoolbp> baconnews.org baconnews.net
[17:11:04] <drcoolbp> nerdcard.net
[17:11:04] <drcoolbp> geekcard.org
[17:11:04] <drcoolbp> dailybacon.org
[17:11:04] <drcoolbp> ionews.org
[17:11:23] <baaaacon> [SoylentNews] - UK Security Agents Get Censoring Privs at Youtube - http://sylnt.us - thin-end-of-the-wedge
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[17:12:25] <drcoolbp> I think we are planning a story announcing those before any voting takes place
[17:13:16] <n1> ionews is not bad, the others not so much, the callback to usenet i don't think is very relevant as much as i like the style of that
[17:13:24] <drcoolbp> the list was arrived by soliciting suggestions (here I think) and then compiling a list of domains already aquired to be donated by users or registering them ourselves, then the staff voted to narrow to the shortlists
[17:13:37] <n1> that explains the 3 bacon options...
[17:13:41] <drcoolbp> lol
[17:13:43] <drcoolbp> yup
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[17:14:06] <n1> as much as id like it bacon themed, dont think it's appropriate
[17:14:11] <drcoolbp> n1: I'm actually leaning towards ionews as well (full disclosure: I own that one)
[17:14:24] <n1> thats by far my preference
[17:14:27] <drcoolbp> I do like geedcard though
[17:14:31] <drcoolbp> geekcard
[17:14:49] <ancientt> OMG I soooo want geekcard.org
[17:14:53] <drcoolbp> but doesn't say "news" in anyway
[17:15:08] <drcoolbp> ionews is cool because it works on a few levels
[17:15:20] <n1> and i would say the geek/news would alienate people who dont identify themselves in that way
[17:15:33] <drcoolbp> IO is tech-centric and our news is literally IO (submissions/comments)
[17:15:36] <ancientt> My business cards are translucent plastic with "geek" printed across the center and my website in a small font in the corner
[17:15:48] <drcoolbp> cool;
[17:15:48] <n1> just because you're interested in and work with science and tech doesnt mean you actually are a 'geek' or would identify yourself as one
[17:15:59] <drcoolbp> good point
[17:16:03] <n1> to me it's like "way to box yourself into a corner"
[17:16:13] <ancientt> I carry and hand out geek cards, would fricking love to have that to refer to at the same time :P
[17:16:21] <drcoolbp> I was hoping to have a better list, but again these were determined from a list of actually registered domains
[17:16:26] <n1> i dont have a problem with the 'geek card' phrase
[17:16:33] <n1> but i think it would do the site a disservice
[17:16:59] <n1> i think i've even posted AC on the old site that i should hand over my geek card for being ignorant of things
[17:17:06] <drcoolbp> again, I'm hoping we can get this short-list as a story to hear these types of comments
[17:17:24] <n1> when the poll happens, i will give my opinions on this one ;)
[17:17:41] <n1> i really do like ionews, so good job on getting that domain
[17:17:47] <drcoolbp> = )
[17:18:23] <drcoolbp> honestly for the decisions we'd like the community to make, I'm thinking there should be a round of discussion on the main site (as a story) *followed later* by a poll
[17:18:34] <drcoolbp> for obvious reasons
[17:18:38] <drcoolbp> but that's just me?
[17:19:01] <n1> maybe we should have a poll to decide if we need a discussion before the poll :P
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[17:19:22] <drcoolbp> n1: sigh
[17:19:41] <drcoolbp> it has been suggested that we are over-thinking a lot of things
[17:19:59] <n1> i agree to a point, but i'd rather that than the alternative
[17:20:04] <drcoolbp> but there is good reason, we just need to find a balance beteween discussion and "get 'er done"
[17:20:23] <n1> i do a lot of overthinking on all sorts of things, and it takes a long time to get things done without a dictator
[17:20:49] <drcoolbp> ALSO: full, full-disclosure I didn't think up the ionews name, just jumped on the registration
[17:21:07] <drcoolbp> MrBluze might know who suggested it
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[17:21:17] <n1> i run my own business, and we were doing an advertising push last year, it took literally 4months to get the 3 of us to agree on the final leaflet layout, style and wording
[17:21:26] <drcoolbp> eeek
[17:21:29] <drcoolbp> that's not ideal
[17:21:36] <n1> the end result was brilliant
[17:21:40] <drcoolbp> but yeah that's like where we are right now
[17:21:40] <n1> but it was a lot of pain getting there
[17:21:46] <drcoolbp> well....there ya go
[17:22:13] <drcoolbp> anyway, I got to sign off in a bit to get some real SN work done (as per our current convo)
[17:22:23] <drcoolbp> anything else for now?
[17:22:40] <n1> lunch time for me
[17:22:52] <n1> have fun with your work, if you ever need feedback, you know where to look :p
[17:23:06] <drcoolbp> n1: please do speak up if you have anything at all
[17:23:14] <drcoolbp> I'll leace y'all with this:
[17:23:15] <drcoolbp> http://web.archive.org
[17:23:16] <n1> i will, good talking to you.
[17:23:21] <drcoolbp> likewise
[17:23:36] <drcoolbp> note what Rob Malda wrote at the bottom regarding posting comments
[17:24:17] <drcoolbp> meh, wrong link, if you click into a story you see this "Post Your Comments Here!
[17:24:17] <drcoolbp> If you don't have anything worthwhile to say, don't say it. If people continue to abuse this feature, I will have to remove it."
[17:25:15] <n1> there's enough people acting like dicks on the internet, i dont intend to add to that
[17:25:24] <drcoolbp> well I guess he figured out a way to mitigate that eh?
[17:26:02] <n1> the moderation system is key
[17:26:12] <drcoolbp> not sure we'd be here right now if he hadn't developed that
[17:26:19] <drcoolbp> anyway, enjoy your lunch!
[17:26:20] <n1> i very much doubt it
[17:26:26] <n1> laters
[17:26:28] <drcoolbp> = )
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[17:32:23] <ancientt> can I see irc logs easily soemwhere?
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[17:35:01] <n1> you can, ancientt
[17:35:06] <n1> but i have no idea where lol
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[17:37:08] <xlefay> !woop
[17:37:08] <baaaacon> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[17:37:17] <FoobarBazbot_> logs.sylnt.us
[17:37:39] <xlefay> sylnt.us syn.us lol
[17:38:18] <ancientt> ah ha!
[17:39:09] <ancientt> (I have my own logs but they're not handy, were good enough for this purpose) .. I was saying before that we need a $1/per vote system, would balance ballot stuffign against passion
[17:39:41] <n1> i disagree, that just means he who has the most money buys the most influence
[17:40:18] <FoobarBazbot_> n1, not exactly, it's whoever has _and_is_willing_to_spend_ the most.
[17:40:32] <n1> yeah, but the potential is there
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[17:40:38] <n1> it dramatically unlevels the playing field
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[17:40:56] <FoobarBazbot_> I think it might still be a problem, but one could argue very few people would spend $1000 influencing a IRC network choice, or w/e.
[17:41:05] <xyzzyyzzyx> bacon++
[17:41:05] <baaaacon> karma - bacon: 170
[17:41:13] <n1> indeed, but to win the vote
[17:41:15] <FoobarBazbot_> Even though lots of poeple _could_ spare that much.
[17:41:16] <n1> it might only take $20
[17:41:35] <n1> you dont buy all the votes, just the ones you need
[17:41:58] <ancientt> n1: fair enough, maybe $1/vote/acct with positive karma activity in last 30 days?
[17:42:00] <n1> i say this as someone who would be willing to pay a subscription to the site
[17:42:09] <n1> but not to pay to vote
[17:43:28] <ancientt> I kinda like the idea of having voting on important issues limited to active members, maybe subscribers if the bar is low enough
[17:43:36] <n1> i really dont know, but pay to play doesnt seem right on a community site
[17:43:51] <ancientt> n1: know what you mean
[17:43:53] <n1> ancientt, that seems more reasonable
[17:44:28] <n1> active members with positive or neutral karma get a vote on site matters
[17:44:44] <n1> pending theyve been registered for 30 days and active within those days
[17:44:54] <n1> to avoid people signing up on mass during poll to sway it
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[17:52:08] <xyzzyyzzyx> ancientt++
[17:52:08] <baaaacon> karma - ancientt: 1
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[18:31:09] <weeds> Compared to most (if not all of you) I am old technology (1950's). The term "geek" has negative connotations for me, so I would not vote for that one.
[18:33:39] <xyzzyyzzyx> where's the list?
[18:34:01] * xyzzyyzzyx votes for 'HotBacon'
[18:34:15] <weeds> 12:09 or so
[18:36:30] <xyzzyyzzyx> 17:11 GMT
[18:40:24] <weeds> Indeed, didn't think of that...
[18:40:30] <baaaacon> [SoylentNews] - Windows / Android Dual Boot Phones - http://sylnt.us - is-that-the-sound-of-desperation-that-I-hear
[18:43:43] <xyzzyyzzyx> baaaacon--
[18:43:43] <baaaacon> karma - baaaacon: 0
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[18:52:04] <xyzzyyzzyx> moo
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[18:55:17] <SoyCow5656> baaaaaa
[18:55:27] <weeds> Were it my decision, I'd dump all but the top two and ask for new ideas!
[18:55:35] <SoyCow5656> Bacon
[18:56:13] <xyzzyyzzyx> weeds++
[18:56:13] <baaaacon> karma - weeds: 3
[18:56:22] <weeds> SoyCow5656: You sonded just like that dog on that commercial!
[18:57:05] <SoyCow5656> Heheh
[18:57:28] <xyzzyyzzyx> three of those names are just.....embarrassing
[19:00:08] <n1> which oneas
[19:00:09] <n1> -a
[19:01:16] <xyzzyyzzyx> nerdcard.net, geekcard.org, ionews.org
[19:01:18] <bytram> weeds: nothing is cast in concrete... I suspect that there will be the usual option to comment; could suggest another name there, as long as it is under your control (i.e. can't be squatted on) and you are willing to donate to the site with no strings attached.
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[19:01:43] <n1> why dont you like ionews?
[19:02:03] <xyzzyyzzyx> too close to io9.com the gaming site
[19:02:11] <xyzzyyzzyx> easily confusable
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[19:02:33] <n1> valid point, although embarrassing wasnt a good description
[19:02:35] <weeds> bytram: Sure, just giving my 1.5 cents :)
[19:03:03] <xyzzyyzzyx> n1: shrug
[19:03:20] <bytram> I get parse errors in my head... ion ... huh ews what? oh. "io news" not "ion ews". :/
[19:03:32] <n1> i am very much against geek/nerdcard variations, similar to weeds objection.
[19:03:51] <dx3bydt3> I prefer my news from Ganymede.
[19:04:11] <weeds> I don't mind nerd, but there was this other site...
[19:04:21] <weeds> Io!
[19:04:28] <n1> xyzzyyzzyx, all i was saying is lack of context doesnt help make your point. also curious as to why you'd find that embarassing but not the 'bacon' variations
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[19:05:12] <bytram> Ever notice people offer a penny for your thoughts, but I think I'm offering my 2-cents worth? Suggests folks have inflated opinions of their self worth!
[19:05:27] <xyzzyyzzyx> Titan!
[19:05:49] <weeds> n1: I don't get the bacon references. I mean everybody loves bacon, is there some other reason I'm missing?
[19:06:09] <n1> n1, that is about the sum of it as far as i'm aware
[19:06:12] <n1> everyone loves bacon
[19:06:41] <weeds> +bytram: Ha ha! from now on it's "my .5 cent worth!
[19:07:21] <weeds> Well, everybody like parfait, let's call it parfait! :)
[19:07:23] <bytram> weeds: or... offer 2 pennies for their thoughts?
[19:07:32] <weeds> good option
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[19:07:46] <bytram> move one letter and get pairfat
[19:07:47] <bytram> not so good.
[19:07:49] <n1> to play devils advocate, calling the site 'bacon'anthing
[19:07:51] <n1> anything*
[19:08:02] <n1> would alienate some of the less pork inclined groups of people/religions
[19:08:36] <weeds> "pairfat" LOL (it was a Shrek reference)
[19:08:41] <xyzzyyzzyx> n1: pish-posh
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[19:08:50] <bytram> I'll have it once in a great while, but I fail to see what it has to do with nerds, or this site.
[19:09:27] <n1> can't disagree with that reasoning, your arguments are very convincing, xyzzyyzzyx
[19:09:56] <n1> bytram, i tend to agree, i think it devalues the site in the same way the current name does
[19:10:01] <n1> it's a joke before we've even started
[19:10:11] <weeds> "would alienate some of the less pork inclined groups of people/religions" Indeed
[19:10:23] <bytram> ^^^^
[19:12:43] <xyzzyyzzyx> n1: most of us have enough serious business in our life, a slight bit of humor can be a salve. Humor is often used to market products, sites, things - do you resist all humor based marketing, no matter how obvious or subtle?
[19:13:28] <xyzzyyzzyx> n1: soylentnews may be a bit goofy, but it is sticky in the mind, which generates traffic
[19:14:41] <n1> i have no objection to humour at all, i value it highly, but making the name of a news site a joke, isn't a good idea. There can be humour within of course, but the site wont get taken seriously.
[19:14:53] <weeds> Descartes.org yea, Descartes was a genius, a philosopher, mathematician and writer
[19:15:11] <n1> i dont really have an opinion on your second point, i dont think soylentnews is memorable, and i know other people here have made the point it isnt
[19:15:43] <n1> i remember it, but i have a vested interest in wanting this site to succeed, being that i dont want to go back to the other site and i appreciate the way the staff of this site are working with the community
[19:16:27] <n1> i try to resist all marketing and let the substance decide, as i mentioned earlier, to me it doesnt actually matter what the name is
[19:16:29] <weeds> ^^^^
[19:16:39] <xyzzyyzzyx> n1: then call the site seriousgeeknews.com and be done with it....good luck though
[19:17:03] <xyzzyyzzyx> n1: I too wave my 'want to succeed' flag around
[19:17:14] <n1> i'm not thinking about my preferences, im trying not to alienate potential new users
[19:17:30] <n1> the site can be called baconftw, if the content is there, i'm already here, thats all good
[19:17:47] <weeds> blech
[19:18:03] <weeds> (I'll still be a member)
[19:18:24] <weeds> But we aren't the target, are we?
[19:18:33] <weeds> We are already here
[19:18:38] <n1> indeed
[19:18:46] <weeds> :)
[19:18:56] <bytram> we're [some of] the *source*
[19:19:24] <bytram> it's the community's contributions in story submissions and commentary that draws me here.
[19:20:09] <xyzzyyzzyx> !suggestion run a 'what is your age' poll prior to a naming poll, to ascertain the current subscriber / visitor base
[19:20:11] <baaaacon> Suggestion sent!
[19:20:42] <weeds> Indeed! And that is our goal to build a community. What impact will a name have on that goal? Once that is determined, then we can sort out names, no?
[19:21:07] <ancientt> I have a rule for naming servers, I must be able to spell it and remember how I spelled it later
[19:21:41] <weeds> ancientt: Mine are red, green, blue, cyan, magenta yellow...
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[19:22:50] <ancientt> weeds: how many servers do you have... are you into periwinkle yet?
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[19:23:11] <bytram_afk> got some stuff to do... cya later
[19:23:28] <weeds> ancientt: just a few - small comapny
[19:24:13] <dx3bydt3> Is there a place to submit site name ideas?
[19:24:52] <n1> name-suggestion@soylentnews.org
[19:24:53] <n1> apparently
[19:25:33] <dx3bydt3> cool
[19:26:58] <xyzzyyzzyx> dx3bydt3: you need to own the name to suggest it in an open forum, apparently ( read that someplace ) so assumedly the email is private method
[19:27:24] * xyzzyyzzyx realizes that's obvious but had already typed it out so - meh
[19:27:34] <dx3bydt3> makes sense, then nobody can register away the name.
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[19:32:32] <xyzzyyzzyx> bacon++
[19:32:35] <baaaacon> karma - bacon: 171
[19:32:38] <xyzzyyzzyx> bacon++
[19:32:38] <baaaacon> karma - bacon: 172
[19:32:40] <xyzzyyzzyx> bacon++
[19:32:40] <baaaacon> karma - bacon: 173
[19:32:41] <xyzzyyzzyx> bacon++
[19:32:41] <baaaacon> karma - bacon: 174
[19:32:42] <xyzzyyzzyx> bacon++
[19:32:43] <baaaacon> karma - bacon: 175
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[19:36:32] <ancientt> I like colors weeds. I have seen a lot of naming schemes and don't like most, but that makes sense, doesn't give anything away but is easy to spell
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[19:39:34] <weeds> We used to name them by function but that was always changing. So we went with names that didn't reflect function.
[19:43:10] <ancientt> that has always been a problem. People want a serer named "fileserver" but then it is a printserver one day, so you have to rename it "fileprintserver" and then it gets the job of DNS but file serving moves to the new server.... or whatever. Always irritating.
[19:44:27] <n1> naming servers with colours?
[19:47:42] <NCommander> Ugh
[19:48:59] <paulej72> name with a dept and number: hws01 - hardware support 01
[19:49:06] <ancientt> not colours, colors :P but yeah, I was trying to gently present the idea that making the new name easy to spell is important, by way of using my rule for naming servers, at which point weeds mentioned the method of usig colors, which does make it easy to spell but has limits of being unlikely to be available to register
[19:49:47] <ancientt> does a /whois periwinkle
[19:50:47] <weeds> I was talking about naming servers, not sites :)
[19:51:08] <arti> keep it short, "Pox"
[19:51:48] <ancientt> weeds: I know, you were replying to exactly what I said, interesting comment, think it has been a topic on /. in fact, but was summing up discussion for n1
[19:52:43] <ancientt> anybody done a four letter domain availability search? I wouldn't hold out much hope, but it works for xkcd.
[19:53:56] <arti> there are two letter ones available
[19:54:10] <arti> i'm assuming you're restricting your tlds to .com/net/org
[19:55:25] <ancientt> arti: yeah, I'd think .org probably, but preferably one where all three are available, which I realize narrows the range signfiicantly. Still a two letter taht would hit all three? we could have a naming contest "tell us what xr stands for" or whatever.
[19:58:28] <arti> "crossroads"
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[20:00:11] <baaaacon> [SoylentNews] - Amazon Raises Prime Membership to $99 Per Year - http://sylnt.us - good-while-it-lasted
[20:00:32] <NCommander> !quote NCommander
[20:00:32] <baaaacon> Quote 1 - <NCommander> DarkMorph, because whenever I have to touch hashref's I want to stab my eyes out
[20:00:36] <baaaacon> Also in quotes: 9
[20:00:50] <NCommander> I guess I'm less quotable here
[20:01:52] <weeds> working......
[20:02:38] <NCommander> !quote 9
[20:02:38] <baaaacon> Quote 9 - <NCommander> Dopefish, I handed him a 3k page novel, then told him that was short for one of my posts
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[20:17:10] <d33tah> got some mods for sale!
[20:17:14] <d33tah> mod points*
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[20:53:25] <d33tah> interesting.
[20:53:30] <d33tah> got two connection resets
[20:53:38] <d33tah> while connecting to slashdot.
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[21:11:25] <baaaacon> [SoylentNews] - 50th Anniversary of Paper Introducing the SQUID - http://sylnt.us - important-but-relatively-unknown
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[21:41:53] <weeds> What? Everybody got a date tonight?
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[21:44:34] <n1> bored, weeds?
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[21:53:46] <weeds> n1: just finishing up. I enjoy the conversation here.
[22:07:38] <n1> yeah, theres been some good conversation in here
[22:07:41] <n1> some not so good also
[22:08:17] <n1> im still digging the nostalgia trip from when i used to use IRC a lot more
[22:09:17] <LaminatorX> I have worked 40 of the last 56 hours. I have a date with a pillow and a blanket, hopefully with a mattress underneath. _Tomorrow_ is date night.
[22:10:51] <weeds> !
[22:11:16] <n1> i dont miss those days
[22:12:10] <weeds> noer I
[22:13:12] <n1> they still happen from time to time, but i can at least now reward myself with a couple of slack days, rather than "thanks for working 16 hours every day this week, make sure you're in at 7am for the meeting on monday."
[22:13:54] <weeds> I have a small kingdom, but I am king :)
[22:14:57] <weeds> and my wife just called so... time to go!
[22:15:05] <n1> take care, weeds
[22:15:14] <weeds> you too
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[22:19:54] <Cyprus> Laminator: Read that the first time as "mistress underneath"
[22:20:18] <baaaacon> [SoylentNews] - Climate Change Information and Colonoscopies - http://sylnt.us - don't-want-hear-bad-news
[22:20:27] <LaminatorX> That would be a whole different evening.
[22:21:13] <Cyprus> LaminatorX: ideally
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[22:31:29] <LaminatorX> G'night all.
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[23:16:51] <drcoolbp> Sup Ethanol-fueled
[23:16:53] <Ethanol-fueled> So Khyber is the "Ethanol-fueled" of Soylent News now, huh?
[23:17:07] <drcoolbp> he's working hard at it yes
[23:17:19] <drcoolbp> still has to work a bit harder to achieve your status but yeah
[23:17:21] <Ethanol-fueled> I was sure to mod the already +4 comment posting his IRC rant and extra +1, funny.
[23:17:58] <drcoolbp> has he posted anything else?
[23:18:15] <Ethanol-fueled> not that I know of, been really busy so don't have time to do any detective work.
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[23:18:21] <Ethanol-fueled> I'll probably look over it all today.
[23:18:52] theProphecyWillB is now known as PropheciesWillBe
[23:19:30] <Ethanol-fueled> and laugh much more.
[23:19:45] <Ethanol-fueled> How's everything going? Holdin' down the fort?
[23:20:20] <Cyprus> Nothing like a good incoherent rant to liven up the day
[23:21:26] <Ethanol-fueled> Cyprus: if what he told me is true, that he lives in Riverside county, chances are he's on the meth.
[23:21:43] <Ethanol-fueled> Nothing but meth and Mexicans up there. It's where dreams go to die.
[23:22:05] <PropheciesWillBe> [SoylentNews] - Tech firms Would Pay $89B in Taxes if ... - http://sylnt.us - system-is-there-to-be-used
[23:23:34] <Ethanol-fueled> when I was banned permanently from posting from The Other Site, I never tried to contact the administrators and ask for an un-ban. Sure, I bitched about it in discussions, but I never made it a stalking obsession. I know when I've been a bad boy, and to be honest my banning was long overdie.
[23:23:38] <Ethanol-fueled> overdue^
[23:23:58] <Cyprus> you were banned? i thought i hadn't seen your nick in forever
[23:24:34] <Ethanol-fueled> Cyprus: Yeah, I could still log in but I was banned from posting journals, subscribing, and posting...FOR GOOD.
[23:25:26] <Ethanol-fueled> In fact, my subscription was cut off early before it expired, I guess people had a problem with racial and homophobic slurs being posted with an asterisk by my name, at a default score of +2
[23:25:28] <Ethanol-fueled> Hahhahahahahah
[23:25:46] * Cyprus chuckles
[23:26:56] <Ethanol-fueled> I hope Adolph_Hitroll and Jocktroll make it over here. They were the best.
[23:27:44] <Ethanol-fueled> Jocktroll's pretty good because he's highly offensive while being factual, and doesn't resort to slurs like I do.
[23:28:17] <Cyprus> my favorite so far is the guy that gets drunk and posts
[23:28:29] <Ethanol-fueled> who, khyber?
[23:28:50] <Cyprus> no, some really really *really* verbose guy
[23:28:57] <Ethanol-fueled> david michael crawford?
[23:29:02] <Cyprus> that rambles and rambles and goes wayy... YEAH
[23:29:06] <Cyprus> that guy
[23:29:18] <Ethanol-fueled> I fugured that user for a bot, or somebody who smokes a lot of weed and eats a lot of pills.
[23:29:28] <Ethanol-fueled> A poor AI algorithm, haha
[23:29:54] <Cyprus> the funniest thing he's said is a comment on one of the early ones 6 hours later that just says "I see I shouldn't drink and post"
[23:30:20] <Ethanol-fueled> if he is in fact a real person, he is drunk ALL THE TIME.
[23:30:32] <Cyprus> he reminds me of a real life former boss
[23:30:38] <drcoolbp> the fact that we don't know is hilarious
[23:31:05] <Cyprus> who you could get going and he sounded like General Ripper
[23:31:13] <Ethanol-fueled> hahaha
[23:31:32] <Cyprus> I actually got him ranting about flouridation one time, and couldn't breathe i was laughing so hard
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[23:41:26] <drcoolbp> mmm flouride....
[23:42:41] <n1> mmm pizza
[23:44:54] * drcoolbp has a sub on the way with texas cheese fries topped with.....
[23:45:14] <drcoolbp> anyone?
[23:45:20] <arti> evil?
[23:45:23] <drcoolbp> yes!
[23:45:26] <arti> excellent!
[23:45:31] <drcoolbp> sweeeet
[23:45:35] * arti follows drcoolbp around closely
[23:45:42] <arti> food has that power...
[23:45:53] * drcoolbp backs up slowly and dissapears into the shadows...
[23:45:54] <Ethanol-fueled> I had 6 huge slices of pizza at work, free food. Won't be eatin' tonight, but I'll be drinkin'.
[23:46:04] <arti> i like getting my eating out of the way
[23:46:06] <drcoolbp> Drinkin' and postin' ?
[23:46:08] <arti> 2+ hour lead time on the drinking
[23:46:19] <Ethanol-fueled> arti: You have it backwards.
[23:46:32] <arti> nah, i don't really enjoy eating and drinking
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[23:46:43] <drcoolbp> also: I'm can't believe no one said the "b" word....
[23:46:46] <Ethanol-fueled> oh, then you have it forwards, because that's what I meant.
[23:47:03] <arti> excellent
[23:47:03] <Ethanol-fueled> drcoolbp: do 3 different kinds of pork sausage count?
[23:47:07] <arti> i reread it, it could be confusing
[23:47:14] <arti> eat first, then wait to drink
[23:47:22] <drcoolbp> ethanol-fueled: I'll allow it
[23:47:24] <arti> that's if i'm posting up
[23:47:25] <Ethanol-fueled> the commies didn't baconate any of those pizzas, but they were sure loaded with burned flesh.
[23:47:36] <Ethanol-fueled> Thank you for your mercy, oh drcoolbp
[23:47:40] <drcoolbp> hahaha
[23:47:52] <Ethanol-fueled> it won't happen again. Funny thing was, I actually had a Baconator(tm) yesterday
[23:47:59] <drcoolbp> 3 types of pork sausage: just what the doctor ordered
[23:48:04] <arti> Ethanol-fueled: wendys?
[23:48:12] <Ethanol-fueled> arti: Fuck yeah Wendy's.
[23:48:22] <arti> i don't eat a lot of take out like that anymore
[23:48:29] <arti> it's decent, don't get me wrong
[23:48:33] <Ethanol-fueled> I don't either.
[23:48:40] <arti> have you heard of/had the habit?
[23:48:40] <Ethanol-fueled> Hahaha
[23:48:48] <Ethanol-fueled> arti: what's that?
[23:48:56] <arti> chain, taking over bk locations
[23:49:05] <arti> saw them up in valencia, and then they've spread to the OC
[23:49:07] <Ethanol-fueled> is that a good thing? Are they good?
[23:49:16] <arti> yeah, i recommend trying the onion rings
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[23:49:36] <Ethanol-fueled> Anything lower than Wendy's is unedible.
[23:49:46] <arti> it's like a new in and out
[23:50:10] <Ethanol-fueled> that's not bad.
[23:50:51] <arti> gis: the habit charburger
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[23:51:26] <arti> ....and he's gone
[23:51:50] <n1> oh well
[23:52:00] <arti> guess it's a blessing in disguise, right?
[23:52:18] <arti> :>
[23:53:06] <pbnjoe> heh
[23:54:46] <drcoolbp> gotta get to band practice, later folks
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[23:55:01] <arti> all the freaks are in band /means that in a good way
[23:55:26] <n1> lol
[23:55:56] <n1> ive been in bands, artistic differences are a bitch though
[23:56:12] <arti> errbody loves compromise
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[23:57:43] <n1> and we end up with bands like Coldplay.
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[23:58:16] <arti> something out there for everybody
[23:58:23] <n1> everybody is happy nothingness music, but it's easy to digest and radio friendly.
[23:58:25] <arti> including the neckbeard kings
[23:58:26] <n1> there is indeed
[23:58:46] <arti> radio: the loudness wars
[23:58:51] <n1> just a shame what i would say is good music doesnt get much radio play
[23:59:10] <arti> thems fightin' words
[23:59:29] <n1> just what ever Sony or Universal are pushing this month, with what ever other generic nonsense they need to pad out the hours
[23:59:41] <arti> at least your childhood music isn't this crap
[23:59:59] <arti> "that song takes me back" *hears bieber in the bg*