#Soylent | Logs for 2014-03-14
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[23:59:59] <arti> "that song takes me back" *hears bieber in the bg*
[23:59:41] <arti> at least your childhood music isn't this crap
[23:59:29] <n1> just what ever Sony or Universal are pushing this month, with what ever other generic nonsense they need to pad out the hours
[23:59:10] <arti> thems fightin' words
[23:58:51] <n1> just a shame what i would say is good music doesnt get much radio play
[23:58:46] <arti> radio: the loudness wars
[23:58:26] <n1> there is indeed
[23:58:25] <arti> including the neckbeard kings
[23:58:23] <n1> everybody is happy nothingness music, but it's easy to digest and radio friendly.
[23:58:16] <arti> something out there for everybody
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[23:57:43] <n1> and we end up with bands like Coldplay.
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[23:56:12] <arti> errbody loves compromise
[23:55:56] <n1> ive been in bands, artistic differences are a bitch though
[23:55:26] <n1> lol
[23:55:01] <arti> all the freaks are in band /means that in a good way
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[23:54:46] <drcoolbp> gotta get to band practice, later folks
[23:53:06] <pbnjoe> heh
[23:52:18] <arti> :>
[23:52:00] <arti> guess it's a blessing in disguise, right?
[23:51:50] <n1> oh well
[23:51:26] <arti> ....and he's gone
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[23:50:51] <arti> gis: the habit charburger
[23:50:10] <Ethanol-fueled> that's not bad.
[23:49:46] <arti> it's like a new in and out
[23:49:36] <Ethanol-fueled> Anything lower than Wendy's is unedible.
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[23:49:16] <arti> yeah, i recommend trying the onion rings
[23:49:07] <Ethanol-fueled> is that a good thing? Are they good?
[23:49:05] <arti> saw them up in valencia, and then they've spread to the OC
[23:48:56] <arti> chain, taking over bk locations
[23:48:48] <Ethanol-fueled> arti: what's that?
[23:48:40] <Ethanol-fueled> Hahaha
[23:48:40] <arti> have you heard of/had the habit?
[23:48:33] <Ethanol-fueled> I don't either.
[23:48:29] <arti> it's decent, don't get me wrong
[23:48:22] <arti> i don't eat a lot of take out like that anymore
[23:48:12] <Ethanol-fueled> arti: Fuck yeah Wendy's.
[23:48:04] <arti> Ethanol-fueled: wendys?
[23:47:59] <drcoolbp> 3 types of pork sausage: just what the doctor ordered
[23:47:52] <Ethanol-fueled> it won't happen again. Funny thing was, I actually had a Baconator(tm) yesterday
[23:47:40] <drcoolbp> hahaha
[23:47:36] <Ethanol-fueled> Thank you for your mercy, oh drcoolbp
[23:47:25] <Ethanol-fueled> the commies didn't baconate any of those pizzas, but they were sure loaded with burned flesh.
[23:47:24] <arti> that's if i'm posting up
[23:47:22] <drcoolbp> ethanol-fueled: I'll allow it
[23:47:14] <arti> eat first, then wait to drink
[23:47:07] <arti> i reread it, it could be confusing
[23:47:03] <Ethanol-fueled> drcoolbp: do 3 different kinds of pork sausage count?
[23:47:03] <arti> excellent
[23:46:46] <Ethanol-fueled> oh, then you have it forwards, because that's what I meant.
[23:46:43] <drcoolbp> also: I'm can't believe no one said the "b" word....
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[23:46:32] <arti> nah, i don't really enjoy eating and drinking
[23:46:19] <Ethanol-fueled> arti: You have it backwards.
[23:46:08] <arti> 2+ hour lead time on the drinking
[23:46:06] <drcoolbp> Drinkin' and postin' ?
[23:46:04] <arti> i like getting my eating out of the way
[23:45:54] <Ethanol-fueled> I had 6 huge slices of pizza at work, free food. Won't be eatin' tonight, but I'll be drinkin'.
[23:45:53] * drcoolbp backs up slowly and dissapears into the shadows...
[23:45:42] <arti> food has that power...
[23:45:35] * arti follows drcoolbp around closely
[23:45:31] <drcoolbp> sweeeet
[23:45:26] <arti> excellent!
[23:45:23] <drcoolbp> yes!
[23:45:20] <arti> evil?
[23:45:14] <drcoolbp> anyone?
[23:44:54] * drcoolbp has a sub on the way with texas cheese fries topped with.....
[23:42:41] <n1> mmm pizza
[23:41:26] <drcoolbp> mmm flouride....
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[23:31:32] <Cyprus> I actually got him ranting about flouridation one time, and couldn't breathe i was laughing so hard
[23:31:13] <Ethanol-fueled> hahaha
[23:31:05] <Cyprus> who you could get going and he sounded like General Ripper
[23:30:38] <drcoolbp> the fact that we don't know is hilarious
[23:30:32] <Cyprus> he reminds me of a real life former boss
[23:30:20] <Ethanol-fueled> if he is in fact a real person, he is drunk ALL THE TIME.
[23:29:54] <Cyprus> the funniest thing he's said is a comment on one of the early ones 6 hours later that just says "I see I shouldn't drink and post"
[23:29:28] <Ethanol-fueled> A poor AI algorithm, haha
[23:29:18] <Ethanol-fueled> I fugured that user for a bot, or somebody who smokes a lot of weed and eats a lot of pills.
[23:29:06] <Cyprus> that guy
[23:29:02] <Cyprus> that rambles and rambles and goes wayy... YEAH
[23:28:57] <Ethanol-fueled> david michael crawford?
[23:28:50] <Cyprus> no, some really really *really* verbose guy
[23:28:29] <Ethanol-fueled> who, khyber?
[23:28:17] <Cyprus> my favorite so far is the guy that gets drunk and posts
[23:27:44] <Ethanol-fueled> Jocktroll's pretty good because he's highly offensive while being factual, and doesn't resort to slurs like I do.
[23:26:56] <Ethanol-fueled> I hope Adolph_Hitroll and Jocktroll make it over here. They were the best.
[23:25:46] * Cyprus chuckles
[23:25:28] <Ethanol-fueled> Hahhahahahahah
[23:25:26] <Ethanol-fueled> In fact, my subscription was cut off early before it expired, I guess people had a problem with racial and homophobic slurs being posted with an asterisk by my name, at a default score of +2
[23:24:34] <Ethanol-fueled> Cyprus: Yeah, I could still log in but I was banned from posting journals, subscribing, and posting...FOR GOOD.
[23:23:58] <Cyprus> you were banned? i thought i hadn't seen your nick in forever
[23:23:38] <Ethanol-fueled> overdue^
[23:23:34] <Ethanol-fueled> when I was banned permanently from posting from The Other Site, I never tried to contact the administrators and ask for an un-ban. Sure, I bitched about it in discussions, but I never made it a stalking obsession. I know when I've been a bad boy, and to be honest my banning was long overdie.
[23:22:05] <PropheciesWillBe> [SoylentNews] - Tech firms Would Pay $89B in Taxes if ... - http://sylnt.us - system-is-there-to-be-used
[23:21:43] <Ethanol-fueled> Nothing but meth and Mexicans up there. It's where dreams go to die.
[23:21:26] <Ethanol-fueled> Cyprus: if what he told me is true, that he lives in Riverside county, chances are he's on the meth.
[23:20:20] <Cyprus> Nothing like a good incoherent rant to liven up the day
[23:19:45] <Ethanol-fueled> How's everything going? Holdin' down the fort?
[23:19:30] <Ethanol-fueled> and laugh much more.
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[23:18:21] <Ethanol-fueled> I'll probably look over it all today.
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[23:18:15] <Ethanol-fueled> not that I know of, been really busy so don't have time to do any detective work.
[23:17:58] <drcoolbp> has he posted anything else?
[23:17:21] <Ethanol-fueled> I was sure to mod the already +4 comment posting his IRC rant and extra +1, funny.
[23:17:19] <drcoolbp> still has to work a bit harder to achieve your status but yeah
[23:17:07] <drcoolbp> he's working hard at it yes
[23:16:53] <Ethanol-fueled> So Khyber is the "Ethanol-fueled" of Soylent News now, huh?
[23:16:51] <drcoolbp> Sup Ethanol-fueled
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[22:31:29] <LaminatorX> G'night all.
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[22:21:13] <Cyprus> LaminatorX: ideally
[22:20:27] <LaminatorX> That would be a whole different evening.
[22:20:18] <baaaacon> [SoylentNews] - Climate Change Information and Colonoscopies - http://sylnt.us - don't-want-hear-bad-news
[22:19:54] <Cyprus> Laminator: Read that the first time as "mistress underneath"
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[22:15:14] <weeds> you too
[22:15:05] <n1> take care, weeds
[22:14:57] <weeds> and my wife just called so... time to go!
[22:13:54] <weeds> I have a small kingdom, but I am king :)
[22:13:12] <n1> they still happen from time to time, but i can at least now reward myself with a couple of slack days, rather than "thanks for working 16 hours every day this week, make sure you're in at 7am for the meeting on monday."
[22:12:10] <weeds> noer I
[22:11:16] <n1> i dont miss those days
[22:10:51] <weeds> !
[22:09:17] <LaminatorX> I have worked 40 of the last 56 hours. I have a date with a pillow and a blanket, hopefully with a mattress underneath. _Tomorrow_ is date night.
[22:08:17] <n1> im still digging the nostalgia trip from when i used to use IRC a lot more
[22:07:41] <n1> some not so good also
[22:07:38] <n1> yeah, theres been some good conversation in here
[21:53:46] <weeds> n1: just finishing up. I enjoy the conversation here.
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[21:44:34] <n1> bored, weeds?
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[21:41:53] <weeds> What? Everybody got a date tonight?
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[21:11:25] <baaaacon> [SoylentNews] - 50th Anniversary of Paper Introducing the SQUID - http://sylnt.us - important-but-relatively-unknown
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[20:53:38] <d33tah> while connecting to slashdot.
[20:53:30] <d33tah> got two connection resets
[20:53:25] <d33tah> interesting.
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[20:17:14] <d33tah> mod points*
[20:17:10] <d33tah> got some mods for sale!
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[20:02:38] <baaaacon> Quote 9 - <NCommander> Dopefish, I handed him a 3k page novel, then told him that was short for one of my posts
[20:02:38] <NCommander> !quote 9
[20:01:52] <weeds> working......
[20:00:50] <NCommander> I guess I'm less quotable here
[20:00:36] <baaaacon> Also in quotes: 9
[20:00:32] <baaaacon> Quote 1 - <NCommander> DarkMorph, because whenever I have to touch hashref's I want to stab my eyes out
[20:00:32] <NCommander> !quote NCommander
[20:00:11] <baaaacon> [SoylentNews] - Amazon Raises Prime Membership to $99 Per Year - http://sylnt.us - good-while-it-lasted
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[19:58:28] <arti> "crossroads"
[19:55:25] <ancientt> arti: yeah, I'd think .org probably, but preferably one where all three are available, which I realize narrows the range signfiicantly. Still a two letter taht would hit all three? we could have a naming contest "tell us what xr stands for" or whatever.
[19:54:10] <arti> i'm assuming you're restricting your tlds to .com/net/org
[19:53:56] <arti> there are two letter ones available
[19:52:43] <ancientt> anybody done a four letter domain availability search? I wouldn't hold out much hope, but it works for xkcd.
[19:51:48] <ancientt> weeds: I know, you were replying to exactly what I said, interesting comment, think it has been a topic on /. in fact, but was summing up discussion for n1
[19:51:08] <arti> keep it short, "Pox"
[19:50:47] <weeds> I was talking about naming servers, not sites :)
[19:49:47] <ancientt> does a /whois periwinkle
[19:49:06] <ancientt> not colours, colors :P but yeah, I was trying to gently present the idea that making the new name easy to spell is important, by way of using my rule for naming servers, at which point weeds mentioned the method of usig colors, which does make it easy to spell but has limits of being unlikely to be available to register
[19:48:59] <paulej72> name with a dept and number: hws01 - hardware support 01
[19:47:42] <NCommander> Ugh
[19:44:27] <n1> naming servers with colours?
[19:43:10] <ancientt> that has always been a problem. People want a serer named "fileserver" but then it is a printserver one day, so you have to rename it "fileprintserver" and then it gets the job of DNS but file serving moves to the new server.... or whatever. Always irritating.
[19:39:34] <weeds> We used to name them by function but that was always changing. So we went with names that didn't reflect function.
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[19:36:32] <ancientt> I like colors weeds. I have seen a lot of naming schemes and don't like most, but that makes sense, doesn't give anything away but is easy to spell
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[19:32:43] <baaaacon> karma - bacon: 175
[19:32:42] <xyzzyyzzyx> bacon++
[19:32:41] <baaaacon> karma - bacon: 174
[19:32:41] <xyzzyyzzyx> bacon++
[19:32:40] <baaaacon> karma - bacon: 173
[19:32:40] <xyzzyyzzyx> bacon++
[19:32:38] <baaaacon> karma - bacon: 172
[19:32:38] <xyzzyyzzyx> bacon++
[19:32:35] <baaaacon> karma - bacon: 171
[19:32:32] <xyzzyyzzyx> bacon++
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[19:27:34] <dx3bydt3> makes sense, then nobody can register away the name.
[19:27:24] * xyzzyyzzyx realizes that's obvious but had already typed it out so - meh
[19:26:58] <xyzzyyzzyx> dx3bydt3: you need to own the name to suggest it in an open forum, apparently ( read that someplace ) so assumedly the email is private method
[19:25:33] <dx3bydt3> cool
[19:24:53] <n1> apparently
[19:24:52] <n1> name-suggestion@soylentnews.org
[19:24:13] <dx3bydt3> Is there a place to submit site name ideas?
[19:23:28] <weeds> ancientt: just a few - small comapny
[19:23:11] <bytram_afk> got some stuff to do... cya later
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[19:22:50] <ancientt> weeds: how many servers do you have... are you into periwinkle yet?
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[19:21:41] <weeds> ancientt: Mine are red, green, blue, cyan, magenta yellow...
[19:21:07] <ancientt> I have a rule for naming servers, I must be able to spell it and remember how I spelled it later
[19:20:42] <weeds> Indeed! And that is our goal to build a community. What impact will a name have on that goal? Once that is determined, then we can sort out names, no?
[19:20:11] <baaaacon> Suggestion sent!
[19:20:09] <xyzzyyzzyx> !suggestion run a 'what is your age' poll prior to a naming poll, to ascertain the current subscriber / visitor base
[19:19:24] <bytram> it's the community's contributions in story submissions and commentary that draws me here.
[19:18:56] <bytram> we're [some of] the *source*
[19:18:46] <weeds> :)
[19:18:38] <n1> indeed
[19:18:33] <weeds> We are already here
[19:18:24] <weeds> But we aren't the target, are we?
[19:18:03] <weeds> (I'll still be a member)
[19:17:47] <weeds> blech
[19:17:30] <n1> the site can be called baconftw, if the content is there, i'm already here, thats all good
[19:17:14] <n1> i'm not thinking about my preferences, im trying not to alienate potential new users
[19:17:03] <xyzzyyzzyx> n1: I too wave my 'want to succeed' flag around
[19:16:39] <xyzzyyzzyx> n1: then call the site seriousgeeknews.com and be done with it....good luck though
[19:16:29] <weeds> ^^^^
[19:16:27] <n1> i try to resist all marketing and let the substance decide, as i mentioned earlier, to me it doesnt actually matter what the name is
[19:15:43] <n1> i remember it, but i have a vested interest in wanting this site to succeed, being that i dont want to go back to the other site and i appreciate the way the staff of this site are working with the community
[19:15:11] <n1> i dont really have an opinion on your second point, i dont think soylentnews is memorable, and i know other people here have made the point it isnt
[19:14:53] <weeds> Descartes.org yea, Descartes was a genius, a philosopher, mathematician and writer
[19:14:41] <n1> i have no objection to humour at all, i value it highly, but making the name of a news site a joke, isn't a good idea. There can be humour within of course, but the site wont get taken seriously.
[19:13:28] <xyzzyyzzyx> n1: soylentnews may be a bit goofy, but it is sticky in the mind, which generates traffic
[19:12:43] <xyzzyyzzyx> n1: most of us have enough serious business in our life, a slight bit of humor can be a salve. Humor is often used to market products, sites, things - do you resist all humor based marketing, no matter how obvious or subtle?
[19:10:23] <bytram> ^^^^
[19:10:11] <weeds> "would alienate some of the less pork inclined groups of people/religions" Indeed
[19:10:01] <n1> it's a joke before we've even started
[19:09:56] <n1> bytram, i tend to agree, i think it devalues the site in the same way the current name does
[19:09:27] <n1> can't disagree with that reasoning, your arguments are very convincing, xyzzyyzzyx
[19:08:50] <bytram> I'll have it once in a great while, but I fail to see what it has to do with nerds, or this site.
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[19:08:41] <xyzzyyzzyx> n1: pish-posh
[19:08:36] <weeds> "pairfat" LOL (it was a Shrek reference)
[19:08:02] <n1> would alienate some of the less pork inclined groups of people/religions
[19:07:51] <n1> anything*
[19:07:49] <n1> to play devils advocate, calling the site 'bacon'anthing
[19:07:47] <bytram> not so good.
[19:07:46] <bytram> move one letter and get pairfat
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[19:07:32] <weeds> good option
[19:07:23] <bytram> weeds: or... offer 2 pennies for their thoughts?
[19:07:21] <weeds> Well, everybody like parfait, let's call it parfait! :)
[19:06:41] <weeds> +bytram: Ha ha! from now on it's "my .5 cent worth!
[19:06:12] <n1> everyone loves bacon
[19:06:09] <n1> n1, that is about the sum of it as far as i'm aware
[19:05:49] <weeds> n1: I don't get the bacon references. I mean everybody loves bacon, is there some other reason I'm missing?
[19:05:27] <xyzzyyzzyx> Titan!
[19:05:12] <bytram> Ever notice people offer a penny for your thoughts, but I think I'm offering my 2-cents worth? Suggests folks have inflated opinions of their self worth!
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[19:04:28] <n1> xyzzyyzzyx, all i was saying is lack of context doesnt help make your point. also curious as to why you'd find that embarassing but not the 'bacon' variations
[19:04:21] <weeds> Io!
[19:04:11] <weeds> I don't mind nerd, but there was this other site...
[19:03:51] <dx3bydt3> I prefer my news from Ganymede.
[19:03:32] <n1> i am very much against geek/nerdcard variations, similar to weeds objection.
[19:03:20] <bytram> I get parse errors in my head... ion ... huh ews what? oh. "io news" not "ion ews". :/
[19:03:03] <xyzzyyzzyx> n1: shrug
[19:02:35] <weeds> bytram: Sure, just giving my 1.5 cents :)
[19:02:33] <n1> valid point, although embarrassing wasnt a good description
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[19:02:11] <xyzzyyzzyx> easily confusable
[19:02:03] <xyzzyyzzyx> too close to io9.com the gaming site
[19:01:43] <n1> why dont you like ionews?
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[19:01:18] <bytram> weeds: nothing is cast in concrete... I suspect that there will be the usual option to comment; could suggest another name there, as long as it is under your control (i.e. can't be squatted on) and you are willing to donate to the site with no strings attached.
[19:01:16] <xyzzyyzzyx> nerdcard.net, geekcard.org, ionews.org
[19:00:09] <n1> -a
[19:00:08] <n1> which oneas
[18:57:28] <xyzzyyzzyx> three of those names are just.....embarrassing
[18:57:05] <SoyCow5656> Heheh
[18:56:22] <weeds> SoyCow5656: You sonded just like that dog on that commercial!
[18:56:13] <baaaacon> karma - weeds: 3
[18:56:13] <xyzzyyzzyx> weeds++
[18:55:35] <SoyCow5656> Bacon
[18:55:27] <weeds> Were it my decision, I'd dump all but the top two and ask for new ideas!
[18:55:17] <SoyCow5656> baaaaaa
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[18:52:04] <xyzzyyzzyx> moo
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[18:43:43] <baaaacon> karma - baaaacon: 0
[18:43:43] <xyzzyyzzyx> baaaacon--
[18:40:30] <baaaacon> [SoylentNews] - Windows / Android Dual Boot Phones - http://sylnt.us - is-that-the-sound-of-desperation-that-I-hear
[18:40:24] <weeds> Indeed, didn't think of that...
[18:36:30] <xyzzyyzzyx> 17:11 GMT
[18:34:15] <weeds> 12:09 or so
[18:34:01] * xyzzyyzzyx votes for 'HotBacon'
[18:33:39] <xyzzyyzzyx> where's the list?
[18:31:09] <weeds> Compared to most (if not all of you) I am old technology (1950's). The term "geek" has negative connotations for me, so I would not vote for that one.
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[17:52:08] <baaaacon> karma - ancientt: 1
[17:52:08] <xyzzyyzzyx> ancientt++
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[17:44:54] <n1> to avoid people signing up on mass during poll to sway it
[17:44:44] <n1> pending theyve been registered for 30 days and active within those days
[17:44:28] <n1> active members with positive or neutral karma get a vote on site matters
[17:43:53] <n1> ancientt, that seems more reasonable
[17:43:51] <ancientt> n1: know what you mean
[17:43:36] <n1> i really dont know, but pay to play doesnt seem right on a community site
[17:43:28] <ancientt> I kinda like the idea of having voting on important issues limited to active members, maybe subscribers if the bar is low enough
[17:42:09] <n1> but not to pay to vote
[17:42:00] <n1> i say this as someone who would be willing to pay a subscription to the site
[17:41:58] <ancientt> n1: fair enough, maybe $1/vote/acct with positive karma activity in last 30 days?
[17:41:35] <n1> you dont buy all the votes, just the ones you need
[17:41:16] <n1> it might only take $20
[17:41:15] <FoobarBazbot_> Even though lots of poeple _could_ spare that much.
[17:41:13] <n1> indeed, but to win the vote
[17:41:05] <baaaacon> karma - bacon: 170
[17:41:05] <xyzzyyzzyx> bacon++
[17:40:56] <FoobarBazbot_> I think it might still be a problem, but one could argue very few people would spend $1000 influencing a IRC network choice, or w/e.
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[17:40:38] <n1> it dramatically unlevels the playing field
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[17:40:32] <n1> yeah, but the potential is there
[17:40:18] <FoobarBazbot_> n1, not exactly, it's whoever has _and_is_willing_to_spend_ the most.
[17:39:41] <n1> i disagree, that just means he who has the most money buys the most influence
[17:39:09] <ancientt> (I have my own logs but they're not handy, were good enough for this purpose) .. I was saying before that we need a $1/per vote system, would balance ballot stuffign against passion
[17:38:18] <ancientt> ah ha!
[17:37:39] <xlefay> sylnt.us syn.us lol
[17:37:17] <FoobarBazbot_> logs.sylnt.us
[17:37:08] <baaaacon> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[17:37:08] <xlefay> !woop
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[17:35:06] <n1> but i have no idea where lol
[17:35:01] <n1> you can, ancientt
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[17:32:23] <ancientt> can I see irc logs easily soemwhere?
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[17:26:28] <drcoolbp> = )
[17:26:26] <n1> laters
[17:26:20] <n1> i very much doubt it
[17:26:19] <drcoolbp> anyway, enjoy your lunch!
[17:26:12] <drcoolbp> not sure we'd be here right now if he hadn't developed that
[17:26:02] <n1> the moderation system is key
[17:25:24] <drcoolbp> well I guess he figured out a way to mitigate that eh?
[17:25:15] <n1> there's enough people acting like dicks on the internet, i dont intend to add to that
[17:24:17] <drcoolbp> If you don't have anything worthwhile to say, don't say it. If people continue to abuse this feature, I will have to remove it."
[17:24:17] <drcoolbp> meh, wrong link, if you click into a story you see this "Post Your Comments Here!
[17:23:36] <drcoolbp> note what Rob Malda wrote at the bottom regarding posting comments
[17:23:21] <drcoolbp> likewise
[17:23:16] <n1> i will, good talking to you.
[17:23:15] <drcoolbp> http://web.archive.org
[17:23:14] <drcoolbp> I'll leace y'all with this:
[17:23:06] <drcoolbp> n1: please do speak up if you have anything at all
[17:22:52] <n1> have fun with your work, if you ever need feedback, you know where to look :p
[17:22:40] <n1> lunch time for me
[17:22:23] <drcoolbp> anything else for now?
[17:22:13] <drcoolbp> anyway, I got to sign off in a bit to get some real SN work done (as per our current convo)
[17:21:46] <drcoolbp> well....there ya go
[17:21:40] <n1> but it was a lot of pain getting there
[17:21:40] <drcoolbp> but yeah that's like where we are right now
[17:21:36] <n1> the end result was brilliant
[17:21:29] <drcoolbp> that's not ideal
[17:21:26] <drcoolbp> eeek
[17:21:17] <n1> i run my own business, and we were doing an advertising push last year, it took literally 4months to get the 3 of us to agree on the final leaflet layout, style and wording
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[17:21:07] <drcoolbp> MrBluze might know who suggested it
[17:20:49] <drcoolbp> ALSO: full, full-disclosure I didn't think up the ionews name, just jumped on the registration
[17:20:23] <n1> i do a lot of overthinking on all sorts of things, and it takes a long time to get things done without a dictator
[17:20:04] <drcoolbp> but there is good reason, we just need to find a balance beteween discussion and "get 'er done"
[17:19:59] <n1> i agree to a point, but i'd rather that than the alternative
[17:19:41] <drcoolbp> it has been suggested that we are over-thinking a lot of things
[17:19:22] <drcoolbp> n1: sigh
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[17:19:01] <n1> maybe we should have a poll to decide if we need a discussion before the poll :P
[17:18:38] <drcoolbp> but that's just me?
[17:18:34] <drcoolbp> for obvious reasons
[17:18:23] <drcoolbp> honestly for the decisions we'd like the community to make, I'm thinking there should be a round of discussion on the main site (as a story) *followed later* by a poll
[17:17:47] <drcoolbp> = )
[17:17:41] <n1> i really do like ionews, so good job on getting that domain
[17:17:24] <n1> when the poll happens, i will give my opinions on this one ;)
[17:17:06] <drcoolbp> again, I'm hoping we can get this short-list as a story to hear these types of comments
[17:16:59] <n1> i think i've even posted AC on the old site that i should hand over my geek card for being ignorant of things
[17:16:33] <n1> but i think it would do the site a disservice
[17:16:26] <n1> i dont have a problem with the 'geek card' phrase
[17:16:21] <drcoolbp> I was hoping to have a better list, but again these were determined from a list of actually registered domains
[17:16:13] <ancientt> I carry and hand out geek cards, would fricking love to have that to refer to at the same time :P
[17:16:03] <n1> to me it's like "way to box yourself into a corner"
[17:15:59] <drcoolbp> good point
[17:15:48] <n1> just because you're interested in and work with science and tech doesnt mean you actually are a 'geek' or would identify yourself as one
[17:15:48] <drcoolbp> cool;
[17:15:36] <ancientt> My business cards are translucent plastic with "geek" printed across the center and my website in a small font in the corner
[17:15:33] <drcoolbp> IO is tech-centric and our news is literally IO (submissions/comments)
[17:15:20] <n1> and i would say the geek/news would alienate people who dont identify themselves in that way
[17:15:08] <drcoolbp> ionews is cool because it works on a few levels
[17:14:53] <drcoolbp> but doesn't say "news" in anyway
[17:14:49] <ancientt> OMG I soooo want geekcard.org
[17:14:31] <drcoolbp> geekcard
[17:14:27] <drcoolbp> I do like geedcard though
[17:14:24] <n1> thats by far my preference
[17:14:11] <drcoolbp> n1: I'm actually leaning towards ionews as well (full disclosure: I own that one)
[17:14:06] <n1> as much as id like it bacon themed, dont think it's appropriate
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[17:13:43] <drcoolbp> yup
[17:13:41] <drcoolbp> lol
[17:13:37] <n1> that explains the 3 bacon options...
[17:13:24] <drcoolbp> the list was arrived by soliciting suggestions (here I think) and then compiling a list of domains already aquired to be donated by users or registering them ourselves, then the staff voted to narrow to the shortlists
[17:13:16] <n1> ionews is not bad, the others not so much, the callback to usenet i don't think is very relevant as much as i like the style of that
[17:12:25] <drcoolbp> I think we are planning a story announcing those before any voting takes place
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[17:11:23] <baaaacon> [SoylentNews] - UK Security Agents Get Censoring Privs at Youtube - http://sylnt.us - thin-end-of-the-wedge
[17:11:04] <drcoolbp> ionews.org
[17:11:04] <drcoolbp> dailybacon.org
[17:11:04] <drcoolbp> geekcard.org
[17:11:04] <drcoolbp> nerdcard.net
[17:11:04] <drcoolbp> baconnews.org baconnews.net
[17:11:04] <drcoolbp> port119.net
[17:11:04] <drcoolbp> soylentnews
[17:10:51] <n1> sure
[17:10:50] <n1> its a difficult balance, i dont know the answer
[17:10:44] <drcoolbp> do you guys want to hear the short-list of names we have?
[17:10:35] <n1> and my feeling on the soylent name is, it can give impression that the site is a joke already- not taking ourselves seriously
[17:10:26] <drcoolbp> good point
[17:09:44] <n1> but not to the exclusion of people who dont know/get it
[17:09:38] <n1> the in jokes are fine
[17:09:30] <drcoolbp> a slash site running on in-jokes? I'd never hear of that.....
[17:08:58] <n1> so stay away from over the top geekdom and the site running on in-jokes
[17:08:33] <n1> yeah, it wouldn't matter for us, but it wont help the site reach more people, want it to be accessable to the community can not on rival, but be better than the old site
[17:07:46] <drcoolbp> I think it flies on the extreme end of geeky though
[17:07:37] <drcoolbp> that was NCommander's suggestion (or he at least endorsed it)
[17:07:14] <n1> otherwise we might as well do what some of the suggestions have been and just use the linode url
[17:07:01] <n1> i agree, it doesnt actually matter to me... but to try and make the community larger, it needs to be a bit more 'marketable' than soylentnews.
[17:06:51] <drcoolbp> It's important and pressing (as I stated above, it should happen sooner rather then later)
[17:05:53] <drcoolbp> that's why we want to get this vote right
[17:05:42] <drcoolbp> n1: with the site name I'd say it's arbitrary, hence having the community decide what they like best
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[17:04:08] <Cyprus> =)
[17:04:08] <n1> but i dont think it's going to help bring new users
[17:04:02] <n1> i'm not a fan of the soylent name at all, its not the end of the world
[17:03:57] <Cyprus> at least it's honest
[17:03:56] <drcoolbp> even if it is just for this one decision
[17:03:54] <Cyprus> or /dev/random
[17:03:47] <drcoolbp> it looks like the best solution is a 3rd party one
[17:03:42] <n1> i do tend to agree
[17:03:39] <NCommander> drcoolbp, agreed
[17:03:32] <drcoolbp> I'm personally torn right now as *IF* we are to change the name, I think we should do it soon
[17:03:26] <n1> i've voted multiple times on the old site on most polls, not through malice, just forgetting i already have
[17:03:22] <drcoolbp> but that was is pretty poor
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[17:03:14] <drcoolbp> true
[17:03:09] <n1> the system has always been flawed afaik
[17:02:55] <drcoolbp> we fully admit that system is inherently flawed, hence all the discussion
[17:02:26] <FoobarBazbot_> And then I saw the foofuraw about ballot stuffing and all...
[17:02:02] <n1> if that changes, then i may be more vocal
[17:01:49] <n1> but in general, i think the site is going in the right direction
[17:01:48] <FoobarBazbot_> I have multiple accounts, but only voted one time, with one of them.
[17:01:43] <drcoolbp> unless someone is saying something already, I'd say go ahead and add in as many cents as you can (we have no income anyway) = )
[17:01:22] <n1> if it means we dont go back to freenode, i wouldnt call it a problem ;) yay corruption :p
[17:01:20] * FoobarBazbot_ is too scrupulous for his own good.
[17:01:14] <drcoolbp> n1: there's never "enough" feedback
[17:00:59] <drcoolbp> There was a huge discussion about it last night
[17:00:50] <drcoolbp> Oh we're well aware of the problems with the polling system (there's even a disclaimer)
[17:00:16] <n1> i will admit, i might have voted more than once on the IRC poll ... shhh
[16:59:51] <n1> just from what ive seen, youve already got enough feedback and some from people with very strong opinions with the time to defend them and go on at length, i've added my 2cents occasionally but i'm not going to force my opinion on anyone
[16:58:58] <drcoolbp> we need un-relenting feedback
[16:58:52] <drcoolbp> reserve*
[16:58:48] <drcoolbp> why would you reseve?
[16:58:41] <drcoolbp> n1?
[16:57:56] <n1> but the progression appears to be manifesting in the organization rather than the output
[16:57:33] <n1> here is a slight contradiction to that though, as we didnt want the 'progress' we were offered
[16:57:09] <n1> progression even
[16:57:05] <FoobarBazbot_> I think by having the people who were quickest to get irritated and leave, and leaving the people who complacently accept whatever is fed them, we win.
[16:57:01] <n1> 'progession' fucks with tradition
[16:56:44] <n1> some people would like it that way
[16:55:58] <FoobarBazbot_> SN = the outworlds, /. = old earth
[16:55:12] <FoobarBazbot_> It's set in the future, where humans are spread over many systems, and posits that Old-Earthers are stupid, inertiic cows (no offense, SoyCows), because all the brightest and most adventuresome genes have been removed froom the population by going to space.
[16:55:03] <n1> i've actually been reserving all my feedback, as i know you guys have enough already and my thoughts will no doubt be made more eloquently by someone else
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[16:53:32] <FoobarBazbot_> y'know, it kinda reminds me of a comncept from (among other places) Glen Cook's Starfisher series.
[16:52:20] <n1> more than you can cope with ;)
[16:51:10] <drcoolbp> I love how much feedback this community has to offer
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[16:50:54] <FoobarBazbot_> drcoolbp, glad to be involved. especially in ways that involve talking rather than actual work... ;)
[16:50:24] <drcoolbp> I would've voiced you but you only said two things
[16:49:42] <drcoolbp> foobarBazbot, nice discussion last night, thanks for participating
[16:49:18] <drcoolbp> hehehe
[16:48:57] * FoobarBazbot warms up the SoyGrill
[16:48:55] <FoobarBazbot> Hello, SoyCow3234!
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[16:00:29] <baaaacon> [SoylentNews] - VLC for Windows RT Beta Released - http://sylnt.us - Beta-with-significant-limitations
[15:54:19] <baaaacon> [ksuhku] GungnirSniper, :D
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[15:41:19] <GungnirSniper> "Where we're going, we don't need facts." - George W.
[15:31:32] <mattie_p> yeah, I saw that. Probably because I actually provided some factual information. I suspect if Khyber were to provide facts or a reasoned opinion he might be listened to as well.
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[15:25:20] <weeds> mattie_p: your comment on /. is modded as 4: Informative
[15:21:09] <mattie_p> from what I've heard, we use python magic numbers for karma here, there is no cap
[15:20:25] <dx3bydt3> Not capped here yet though!
[15:20:10] <baaaacon> karma - mattie_p: 15
[15:20:10] <dx3bydt3> mattie_p++
[15:19:50] <mattie_p> I'm already at karma cap on both /. and SN
[15:19:40] <mattie_p> you guys really don't need to mod me up, you know.
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[15:16:04] <weeds> 2 cents added from "tist"
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[15:11:34] <weeds> yes, thanks
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[15:11:26] <mattie_p> http://slashdot.org
[15:11:11] <mattie_p> which story, the /. one?
[15:11:05] <mattie_p> http://soylentnews.org
[15:10:46] <weeds> mattie: would you please post the link to that story again...
[15:10:17] <mattie_p> probably in various spaces. once in the comments somewhere directly, maybe on /.
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[15:09:49] <drcoolbp> did he respondto you yet mattie_p?
[15:09:36] <mattie_p> yeah, here
[15:09:32] <drcoolbp> hey there
[15:09:29] <drcoolbp> oh mattie_p is here
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[15:08:54] <mattie_p> I'll I already responded there and opened the logs
[15:08:53] <drcoolbp> he was banned from IRC
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[15:07:13] <drgibbon> what exactly is he talking about?
[15:07:03] <drcoolbp> he's freaking out over there
[15:06:54] <drcoolbp> anyone seen Khyber around?
[15:06:07] <drgibbon> http://slashdot.org
[15:06:04] <drgibbon> on that /. article by Khyber?
[15:05:40] <drgibbon> what's "The blockade" ?
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[14:41:49] <baaaacon> [bet0x] where is dat putine troll
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[14:41:36] <baaaacon> [ksuhku] welcome to the dork side (we have cookies)
[14:41:09] <Alberto> i know
[14:41:05] <baaaacon> [bet0x] Alberto is so sexy
[14:40:57] <baaaacon> [bet0x] Wazaaaaaaaaa
[14:40:29] <baaaacon> [SoylentNews] - RIAA CEO Wants Google to Stop 'Whack-A-Mole' - http://sylnt.us - blather-rinse-repeat
[14:40:22] <baaaacon> [ksuhku] ##altslashdot Alberto
[14:39:16] <Alberto> whats the channel on freenode?
[14:36:16] <baaaacon> [ksuhku] they also confirm I can't type...
[14:36:02] <baaaacon> [ksuhku] netcraft confirm it
[14:35:10] <Alberto> :D
[14:35:10] <Alberto> means SoyLent is getting popular
[14:35:02] <Alberto> This http://slashdot.org is a good signal
[14:34:43] <weeds> mattie_p: I left right after that pretty offensive post and missed the rest.
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[14:21:14] <mattie_p> weeds, just responded to that /. submission
[14:20:41] <crutchy> ##
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[14:19:13] <baaaacon> [ksuhku] I mean featured there, haven't visited it since the Cott
[14:18:36] <baaaacon> [ksuhku] it's good we're on /., nevermind the content
[14:18:04] * LaminatorX waits to be banned for mentioning it. ... ... ... ... OK then.
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[14:13:16] <weeds> yes, what is the blockade?
[14:12:59] <weeds> Is cool with me. Someone is going to get pissed no matter what we do. (I hope you don't mind me saying we)
[14:11:30] <LaminatorX> "The blockade?"
[14:10:44] <mattie_p> oh, thats on /.
[14:10:42] <LaminatorX> Ranting and DoS threats != dissent.
[14:08:59] <mattie_p> I'll move it to a journal, I suspect
[14:08:50] <mattie_p> It wasn't dissent I was blocking
[14:08:42] <mattie_p> weeds I have
[14:06:33] <weeds> mattie_p: have you seen this bit about SN blocking dissent? http://slashdot.org
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[14:02:48] <Alberto> hate you buttercake
[14:02:44] <Alberto> T_T
[14:02:41] <Alberto> .voice
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[14:02:29] * Alberto need some weeds
[14:00:58] <mattie_p> sup, weeds
[13:57:35] <weeds> hey mattie
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[13:47:55] <mattie_p> wow, we need to get on that
[13:47:47] <baaaacon> karma - coffee: 3
[13:47:47] <mattie_p> coffee++
[13:43:24] <baaaacon> karma - bacon: 169
[13:43:24] <Alberto> bacon++
[13:41:43] <baaaacon> [SoylentNews] - Tesla Direct Sales Blocked by Law in New Jersey - http://sylnt.us - won't-someone-please-think-of-the-dealerships
[13:41:28] <Alberto> :)
[13:41:26] <Alberto> Morning girls & boys
[13:40:21] <TME520> hi
[13:37:22] <weeds> Happy Pi day!
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[13:30:10] <prospectacle> hello
[13:29:01] <weeds> Good Morning
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[13:11:33] <crutchy> night all
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[12:59:58] <baaaacon> [ksuhku] upholding the traditions I see
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[12:25:16] <Konomi> free market will fix... nevermind
[12:17:05] <G-forze> nice :)
[12:17:00] <G-forze> Telsla
[12:16:46] <crutchy> g'day
[12:10:35] <baaaacon> [SoylentNews] - Telsla Direct Sales Blocked by Law in New Jersey - http://sylnt.us - won't-someone-please-think-of-the-dealerships
[12:03:41] <NCommander> TME520, the NYC Subway celebrated 100 a in 2004
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[11:37:23] <prospectacle> See you
[11:37:12] <TME520> See you later
[11:36:54] <TME520> Very nice city
[11:36:50] <TME520> I will live in Melbourne
[11:36:38] <TME520> I have to go presto presto
[11:36:37] <prospectacle> good luck
[11:36:31] <prospectacle> Unless you go to melbourne or sydney, they're proper cities
[11:36:29] <TME520> Excuse me, my boss is calling me in his office
[11:36:22] <prospectacle> Well, you will see australia a very new country. Sometimes it looks like a temporary outpost compared to europe.
[11:36:02] <TME520> :-)
[11:35:58] <prospectacle> To keep up the accent
[11:35:49] * TME520 wonders why he writes "leave" instead of "live" ...
[11:35:28] <TME520> I used to leave in a flat built before the French Revolution of 1789.
[11:35:11] <prospectacle> Cool
[11:34:56] <TME520> Imagine the subway here is more than 100 years old.
[11:34:31] <prospectacle> makes sense
[11:34:30] <TME520> Plus, Paris is nice for tourism, but quite shitty as a home.
[11:34:04] <TME520> My wife is Australian
[11:33:50] <prospectacle> What brings you to our sunny, melanoma inducing shores?
[11:33:36] <prospectacle> Yeah I would love to live in middle of europe for a few years. Trains to germany, france, england, switzerland, etc
[11:33:20] <TME520> Big cultural shift.
[11:33:10] <TME520> In Australia, my neighboors will be Kiwis, Penguins and Asians
[11:32:33] <TME520> I'm so used to leave in Europe near Austria, Switzerland...
[11:31:36] <prospectacle> Yeah, we have some good brie, from king island. Triple cream they call it.
[11:31:25] <TME520> It may seem weird at first, but the biggest difference for me is the location of Australia on the world map.
[11:30:39] <prospectacle> Good by george
[11:30:29] <prospectacle> George pell is off to the vatican. To be their accountan,t I think
[11:29:52] <Konomi> just don't let george pell get too close he might try to touch you
[11:29:48] <TME520> I noticed you tend to pack camembert in aluminium cans.
[11:29:04] <TME520> Pure madness :-)
[11:28:55] <prospectacle> Sometimes we drink wine out of boxes
[11:28:29] <prospectacle> We eat while walking, alone even. It's not uncommon.
[11:28:18] <TME520> Sure
[11:28:10] <TME520> I mean, geographically speaking. The way of life is different too.
[11:28:10] <prospectacle> Yeah quite a change. Must be a big decision to move so far geographically and culturally
[11:27:36] <prospectacle> Had enough of civil law, longing for some common law to soothe the burn?
[11:27:31] <Konomi> any drop bears try to eat you yet?
[11:27:14] <TME520> Australia is quite a change from France.
[11:26:44] <prospectacle> Nice
[11:26:40] <TME520> Won't be coming back to France anytime soon.
[11:26:31] <prospectacle> I mean here
[11:26:24] <TME520> I will be living there with my family.
[11:26:09] <prospectacle> Cool, are you working there or visiting or what?
[11:26:01] <TME520> So, bye bye Paris.
[11:25:57] <prospectacle> I would say "You have good english", but you probably have better english than me. Everyone seems to have good english these days.
[11:25:52] <TME520> Anyway, I should settle in Australia around June this year
[11:25:09] <TME520> :-)
[11:24:50] <TME520> "Bonjour", "Camembert"
[11:24:42] <prospectacle> oh, oh, I know, is it las vegas?
[11:24:32] <TME520> Cheese, wine...
[11:24:31] * prospectacle googles furiously
[11:24:24] <prospectacle> hmm, that sounds like a clue...
[11:24:00] <TME520> Yes, near the Eiffel Tower.
[11:23:42] <prospectacle> What country are you in? at 1116. Is it in europe somewhere?
[11:23:30] <TME520> :-)
[11:23:13] <prospectacle> just kidding it's australia.
[11:23:05] <prospectacle> I also would have accepted Guam or Yakutsk
[11:22:38] <prospectacle> Correct
[11:22:12] <TME520> Oh, it occurs to me that if it's 9.16pm for you, you're probably living in Australia. Right ?
[11:20:50] <TME520> True
[11:20:40] <prospectacle> so I mean. come on.
[11:20:29] <prospectacle> They invented it. But the web was invented in switzerland by a brit
[11:20:02] <TME520> Well, I often feel like Internet is an American thing.
[11:19:25] <prospectacle> We better have a recruiting drive. Soylent committe for advancement of lesser known longitudes
[11:18:01] <TME520> ;-)
[11:17:50] <prospectacle> I think we're opressed minorities. Site seems to go quiet outside of america day time.
[11:17:29] <prospectacle> hmm, 916pm here
[11:16:39] <TME520> 11.16am
[11:16:33] <prospectacle> What time is it?
[11:16:21] <TME520> I'm now at work, but I guess not everybody is living in the same timezone as me.
[11:15:56] <TME520> Basically, nothing.
[11:14:31] <prospectacle> What's happening?
[11:14:15] <TME520> hi
[11:06:02] <prospectacle> hello
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[10:40:11] <juggs> holy schomely, I just read my last comment back to myself. I need to put down the keyboard an step away.
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[10:35:09] <TME520> Week-end is coming and that's good news.
[10:34:55] <TME520> Hi everyone
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[10:00:21] <juggs> oooh thank fuck
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[09:54:56] <baaaacon> [!] karma - redundancy: 1
[09:54:56] <baaaacon> [ksuhku] redundancy++
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[09:48:35] <baaaacon> karma - drussell: 4
[09:48:35] <juggs> drussell++
[09:44:37] <baaaacon> karma - ncommander: 15
[09:44:37] <drussell> NCommander++
[09:39:55] <NCommander> Ok, I think I can safely go offline for awhile
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[09:27:59] <GungnirSniper> And bacon++
[09:27:26] <NCommander> Got a plan laided out to prevent this sort of shit happening again, identifying documentation gaps, *and* to build more redundency in the future
[09:26:57] <NCommander> Ok
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[09:10:52] <baaaacon> [ksuhku] s/O'//
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[08:46:16] <drussell> Fixed it, see #dev
[08:46:11] <NCommander> :-/
[08:45:55] <NCommander> drussell, works for me
[08:45:45] <NCommander> juggs, :-P
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[08:33:42] <juggs> I think slashcode has become sentient
[08:33:14] <juggs> crutchy, worked for me yesterday - I was getting 503 on every first attempt to preview a comment, a sneaky Back then do something in another tab before jumping back to the tab and hitting preview made it work every time. Catch it unawares or when it is distracted seems to be the way :D
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[08:29:52] <crutchy> or you wait till it's not looking before you hit submit :-P
[08:29:21] <drussell> Hmm, you're right... I tried swearing at it before givin' it some lovin' :)
[08:28:55] <crutchy> maybe you need to sweet talk it into submission
[08:28:52] <drussell> I know it is possible to have collisions, could it also sometimes mistake one somehow?
[08:28:26] <drussell> I tried changin it, tried starting again from the main page... It will not let me post to that story... Wierd... Hopefully it's just me on this session, some kind of problem with formkeys?
[08:24:37] <juggs> caching
[08:24:08] <stderr> It sometimes help to change a comment and then change it back... Weirdness...
[08:23:35] <juggs> I'm buying shares in Lithium futures. There are going to be people wandering out of trying to keep this slashcode upright needing lots of medication for PTSD.
[08:23:23] <drussell> I've seen a couple other people mention that too... No idea what could be wrong though, that's wierd because it's worked for me every other time
[08:22:56] <drussell> I had this problem once before, trying to put a comment on the top level didn't work so I rephrased and put it under another comment as a reply, so I never figured out why it didn't work
[08:22:04] <drussell> I see another comment but can't seem to post
[08:21:41] <drussell> Well I hope my multiple attempts don't all show up eventually then... :) It's still not working for me. Wierd
[08:20:51] <juggs> I'm on the low B/W option so god knows what that throws into the equation
[08:20:15] <GungnirSniper> Worked OK for me.
[08:20:15] <juggs> I expect it's some caching still playing catch-up.
[08:19:49] <drussell> Yeah, something is still borked... I can preview my comment but hitting submit just goes back to the comment page without posting it...
[08:19:16] <juggs> I have MH370 @03:12AM / Hubble @04:39AM / Downtime @06:44AM on http://soylentnews.org
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[08:18:53] <baaaacon> karma - ncommander: 14
[08:18:53] <prospectacle> NCommander++
[08:18:30] <GungnirSniper> I love that our fearless leader is a perfectionist.
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[08:17:35] <stderr> juggs: http://soylentnews.org
[08:17:05] <juggs> I sees no Pi Day story
[08:16:57] <juggs> Pi Day story?
[08:15:57] <stderr> The Pi Day stories is posted 44 minutes before the Unexpected Downtime story, but their order says otherwise. DST problem or something else?
[08:15:42] <FoobarBazbot_> Glad to hear it.
[08:15:28] <FoobarBazbot_> Apologies for the quit/join spam, I'm tinkering with my irc client. :)
[08:14:34] <drussell> Hmm, I tried to post a comment to pi day and it didn't show up...
[08:14:03] <NCommander> For once, this was just technical stupidity
[08:14:00] <drussell> NCommander, Yeah, figured something like that...
[08:13:57] <NCommander> crisis resolved :-P
[08:13:51] <NCommander> FoobarBazbot, we're back up
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[08:12:05] <juggs> or was that a flat spin - I forget
[08:11:56] <juggs> didn't that happen in top gun after an engine flame out?
[08:11:38] <NCommander> I think
[08:11:35] <NCommander> drussell, which pegged the proc
[08:11:32] <NCommander> drussell, Apache went into a tight spin loop
[08:11:30] <juggs> juggs--
[08:11:07] <juggs> bah
[08:11:03] <baaaacon> karma - baaacon: 1
[08:11:03] <juggs> baaacon++
[08:10:56] <baaaacon> karma - ncommander: 13
[08:10:56] <juggs> NCommander++
[08:10:34] <baaaacon> [SoylentNews] - Pi Day! - http://sylnt.us - Phi-is-way-awesomer
[08:09:12] <drussell> At first when everything seemed to be dying (seemingly including ssh), I thought maybe the 400TB ddos guy actually did something ;)
[08:09:08] <stderr> I'm glad CACert sends me lots^WLOTS of warnings before my certificates expire.
[08:08:35] <juggs> NCommander, don't beat yourself up. You've done sterling work. Look at the successes rather than the failures. Just learn from the few things that have fubar'd and put shit in place to stop them reoccurring and move on. Life's too short.
[08:07:37] <drussell> THAT make me feel bad :) You shouldn't
[08:07:31] <MrBluze_> Well for another thing at least it wasn't an exploit
[08:07:22] <drussell> You know how many times I've let a cert expire on one of my mail servers or something and don't notice for a couple DAYS??!
[08:07:12] <NCommander> :-)
[08:07:10] <NCommander> At least this time the IRC stayed up!
[08:06:46] <NCommander> The DNS downtime was caused by a decision I made combined with known unknowns, and this was me failing to spotcheck the SSL cert
[08:06:46] <juggs> not really - just oversights in an overly busy and overly pressured phase in the site's development
[08:06:43] <MrBluze_> If it was someone else setting up the system it would have been their fault and a different problem
[08:06:38] <baaaacon> karma - ncommander: 12
[08:06:38] <drussell> NCommander++
[08:06:32] <drussell> Don't beat yourself up... This is a fledgeling project! I'm amazed it's as polished as it is given the timeframe!
[08:05:54] * NCommander feels like both downtimes were indirectly my fault
[08:05:50] <baaaacon> karma - ncommander: 11
[08:05:50] <drussell> NCommander++ for hard work
[08:05:47] <juggs> lol I expected that
[08:05:42] <NCommander> juggs, I'm just frustated with recent events
[08:05:41] <drussell> True, but he still needs an:
[08:05:34] * NCommander sighs
[08:04:13] <juggs> NCommander, GMT != UTC :P Although in most scenarios they can be considered to be the same unless extreme high precision is required.
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[08:00:26] <baaaacon> [SoylentNews] - Unexpected Downtime: 14-03-2014 - http://sylnt.us - timebombs-are-exciting
[08:00:15] <NCommander> http://soylentnews.org
[08:00:03] <drussell> GungnirSniper: On DST Eastern time is -4, yes
[08:00:00] <crutchy> !time-circuits-on
[07:59:22] <GungnirSniper> Hey, how do you change the user setting for time on the site?
[07:59:08] <GungnirSniper> Oh crap, east coast is UTC-4 now. Let's hope my boss doesn't notice all my reports are UTC-6 at the moment. damn.
[07:56:54] <NCommander> If the database isn't set to run on GMT time, it goes SNAP
[07:56:47] <NCommander> juggs, actualy, slash enforces that
[07:56:26] <baaaacon> karma - utc: 1
[07:56:26] <stderr> UTC++
[07:56:20] <baaaacon> karma - juggs: 8
[07:56:20] <stderr> juggs++
[07:56:09] <stderr> GungnirSniper: http://tzdata-javascript.org Check the examples and demos at the bottom of the page.
[07:56:08] <juggs> GungnirSniper, it only matters in human terms. All servers should (IMO) be permanently on UTC, then all the horrible DST nightmare goes out the window - leave that to the presentation layer.
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[07:53:58] <GungnirSniper> With DST I'm discombobulated on my UTC. Is East Coast now UTC-6 or still UTC-5?
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[07:52:57] <juggs> probably the length of time it took to expire cached stuff
[07:52:24] <drussell> Yeah, it was dying for a couple minutes but totally crapped just before midnight my time
[07:51:35] <juggs> I hereby propose that all references to time must be only be stated in UTC. :P
[07:51:11] <GungnirSniper> Make that about 1:58 per my 'error 503' comment.
[07:50:39] <GungnirSniper> Yes, 2AM eastern.
[07:50:20] <baaaacon> [SoylentNews] - Math Equation Could Help Find Flight MH370 - http://sylnt.us - here-it-is-over-there-somewhere || Hubble Witnesses an Asteroid Disintegrating - http://sylnt.us - I-saw-what-you-did-there
[07:49:44] <jasassin> i do eat bacon and love it so i guess that counts
[07:49:35] <jasassin> oh well
[07:49:08] <jasassin> i lost all that hard earned karnma :)
[07:48:56] <jasassin> damn
[07:48:51] <juggs> aye - centralise that kind of thing rather than leave it with individual(s) MrBluze. Over the years I've seen so many sites and services get fubar'd by ssl cert expired or domain missed renewal, just becuase it was on only one sysadmin's todo - and they left.
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[07:47:50] <kobach> goodnight #soylent
[07:47:46] <kobach> i see
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[07:46:46] <mrgirlpluggedout> bbl
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[07:46:20] <crutchy> nah we just need a bookie :-P
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[07:45:57] <drussell> NCommander:I was about to offer to create an account on a server with ssh listening on 5922 but audioguy beat me to it :)
[07:45:56] <NCommander> Abotu an hour ago?
[07:45:54] <NCommander> What time did we go down?
[07:45:42] <MrBluze_> Need a maintenance calendar
[07:45:36] <crutchy> w00t!
[07:45:23] <juggs> Time for incident report and lessons learnt - "umm, keep reminders when SSL certs are to expire"
[07:45:20] * MrBluze_ applauds
[07:45:01] -!- mode/#Soylent [-o mrgirlpluggedout] by buttercake
[07:45:01] <mrgirlpluggedout> .deop
[07:44:56] mrgirlpluggedout changed topic of #Soylent to: [SoylentNews is LIVE people! https://soylentnews.org | Wiki: http://sylnt.us | Forums: http://sylnt.us | Code: http://sylnt.us | Got bugs? http://sylnt.us | Who's who? http://sylnt.us | Get Involved: mrcoolbp@soylentnews.org | Staff discussions in #staff are now open for all, always | /join ## - to chill]
[07:44:55] <baaaacon> [ksuhku] *massaged
[07:44:48] <baaaacon> [ksuhku] well maasaged
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[07:44:46] <mrgirlpluggedout> .op
[07:44:36] <juggs> good work NCommander
[07:44:33] <jasassin> hey i should get a +1 for effort
[07:44:31] <baaaacon> [ksuhku] yeehaaw!
[07:44:20] <mrgirlpluggedout> And that's for trying to hack your way into ops.
[07:44:20] <jasassin> sorry
[07:44:18] <NCommander> We're up
[07:44:17] <drussell> Sweet, nice work :)
[07:44:16] <baaaacon> karma - jasassin: 0
[07:44:15] <mrgirlpluggedout> jasassin++
[07:44:13] <mrgirlpluggedout> That's for trying to hack your way into ops.
[07:44:00] <NCommander> BOOM
[07:43:57] <baaaacon> karma - jasassin: -1
[07:43:57] <mrgirlpluggedout> jasassin--
[07:43:53] <jasassin> in the case of juggs... Chanserv.... you are NOT the father!
[07:43:49] <juggs> seems a bit harsh
[07:43:42] <juggs> your personal assistant mrgirlpluggedout ?
[07:43:17] <mrgirlpluggedout> juggs: Because Chanserv killed my pa.
[07:43:15] <jasassin> why doesn't this web client keep the scroller to the bottom
[07:42:13] <MrBluze_> Nice floor plan ar
[07:42:10] * crutchy is a cynic :-P
[07:41:38] <crutchy> ssl vhost will probably be disabled eventually
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[07:41:29] <ar> http://i.imgur.com
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[07:41:17] <mrgirlpluggedout> .deop
[07:41:07] <jasassin> it was just a hack attempt for fun
[07:40:52] <jasassin> +mrgirlpluggedout .op
[07:40:40] <ar> goto fail;*
[07:40:38] <juggs> A question for those with the IRC-fu... why do people use a bot to do things like oping and deoping rather than rely on chanserv which can do the same?
[07:40:36] <ar> damn
[07:40:34] <crutchy> apache 1.3... probably can
[07:40:32] <ar> goto fai;
[07:40:19] <jasassin> can i hack?
[07:40:10] <crutchy> openssl is fun
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[07:40:01] <mrgirlpluggedout> .op
[07:39:35] <NCommander> Let me just install the cert and pray
[07:39:35] * NCommander suspects he signed something wrong
[07:39:32] <baaaacon> [ksuhku] I guess it's like in Jurassic Park: the system DID come up, ... BUT you need to go through the raptor shed to flip the switches!
[07:39:27] <NCommander> The openssl verify command isn't working right
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[07:39:19] <mrgirlpluggedout> .deop
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[07:38:17] <mrgirlpluggedout> .op
[07:38:14] <jasassin> yeah nothing like remote reboots
[07:37:55] <baaaacon> [ksuhku] :)
[07:37:45] <juggs> ah the joys of remote updates and config changes - time to reboot - please come back up, please come back up, please come back up, please come back up
[07:37:40] <jasassin> hahahahahhaha nice crutch
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[07:37:12] <crutchy> prolly performing heart surgery on ol' apache
[07:36:54] <crutchy> nah i dunno
[07:36:35] <crutchy> rebooting from other side of the earth
[07:36:27] <baaaacon> [ksuhku] good to hear
[07:36:20] <juggs> ksuhku, NCommander is on it
[07:36:09] <drussell> It's almost fixed...
[07:36:02] <baaaacon> [ksuhku] whassup?
[07:35:56] <baaaacon> [ksuhku] uh oh, "Error 503 Service Unavailable"
[07:35:16] <jasassin> please no talk about weed, i tried to get a job at walmart. it was depressing. i took the piss test, and it came out 100% kryptonite
[07:34:24] <NCommander> One to go
[07:34:23] <NCommander> One down
[07:34:20] <NCommander> Ok
[07:33:39] <GungnirSniper> Khronik is some dope-ass weed.
[07:32:31] <juggs> I have lost the mental faculty to even begin to respond to that
[07:32:03] <jasassin> is that when your penis hurts... you dip it in cider?
[07:31:38] <juggs> jasassin, no - it's the cider effect
[07:31:14] <MrBluze> i like it double smoked
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[07:31:11] <jasassin> we all do it at one point
[07:31:05] <jasassin> you probably smoked more weed that i just did, it's ok
[07:30:38] <juggs> I'm a fucking cretin
[07:30:29] <juggs> LOL @ myself - " storage (for storing)"
[07:30:06] <juggs> jasassin, as time goes by and with b/width (for streaming) and storage (for storing) getting ever more accessible and affordable the drive to compress loses relevance.
[07:29:54] <jasassin> do you like your bacon crunchy or rubbery?
[07:29:46] * MrBluze thumps the table ... damn this bacon shortage
[07:29:41] <SedBot> <crutchy> of course not
[07:29:41] <crutchy> s/courne/course/
[07:29:31] <crutchy> of courne not
[07:29:30] <jasassin> why the bacon
[07:29:25] <MrBluze> if we had more bacon, none of this would have ever happened
[07:29:20] <crutchy> a bacon server
[07:29:17] <baaaacon> karma - bacon: 168
[07:29:17] <MrBluze> bacon++
[07:29:14] <crutchy> !
[07:29:13] <crutchy> we need more bacon
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[07:29:02] <NCommander> Just need to generate a client key and we're in business
[07:29:02] <crutchy> servers are overrated
[07:28:54] <NCommander> MySQL running again
[07:28:52] <crutchy> w00t!
[07:28:50] <NCommander> We've got a new server certificate installed on the DB
[07:28:43] <NCommander> W00t
[07:28:39] <jasassin> i was thinking about it juggs.... i dont really see how they can compress video anymore. theres only so much you can do with a set of data. i do not expect much further technology as far as video compression goes
[07:27:32] <MrBluze> and damn cheap
[07:27:30] <MrBluze> aldi red is mild and smooth
[07:27:24] <MrBluze> yum
[07:27:11] <juggs> jasassin, the world will move on to something else. Hopefully that something will be unencumbered, although I doubt it.
[07:27:08] <crutchy> ooh i got a bottle of $2.50 aldi red in the cupboard
[07:26:50] <jasassin> even a broken clock is right twice a day
[07:26:46] <MrBluze> sometimes it's wine o'clock
[07:26:32] <jasassin> its always beer o clock bro
[07:26:25] <MrBluze> its nearly beer o'clock
[07:26:21] <MrBluze> nah me neither
[07:26:12] <crutchy> i've just finished work, so i won't be stressing too much :-)
[07:25:56] <crutchy> sounds fun
[07:25:40] <MrBluze> welcome to the friday crisis :)
[07:25:38] <juggs> ar, meditate and patience will come to you :)
[07:25:33] <MrBluze> hey crutchy
[07:25:27] <crutchy> hi mrbluze
[07:25:21] <jasassin> what happens when h.264 becomes in everything and then cisco stops paying the fees to that llma or whatever shitty name they call thieveleves?
[07:25:13] <ar> how am i supposed to get my soylent fix, when the guru is meditating?
[07:25:10] <MrBluze> except it's not an amiga
[07:24:51] <ar> guru meditation
[07:24:34] <juggs> yes it's down
[07:24:27] <juggs> screen or tmux are your friend when the DCing gremlins strike. Although I am sure I am preaching to the converted there :D
[07:24:23] <jasassin> i am curious...
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[07:24:13] <jasassin> i was reading something about h.264 being paid for and "open sourced" by cisco awhile ago
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[07:20:33] <NCommander> The problem is I keep DCing every 10 seconds
[07:20:03] <GungnirSniper> @NCommander, if you push in the Turbo button, it will be done faster.
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[07:06:29] <prospectacle> Thanks NCommander
[07:05:52] <GungnirSniper> If they were quick, someone could crack the site with an old blackberry.
[07:05:50] <prospectacle> legend
[07:05:41] <drcoolbp> eeeck
[07:05:31] <NCommander> Estimated 30-45 minutes to site restoration
[07:05:19] <NCommander> Generating SSL certs is a bit slow
[07:05:15] <NCommander> I'm making progress here
[07:04:52] _MrBLuze is now known as MrBluze
[07:04:41] <prospectacle> What dedicated ops. One of my sites went down once and I didn't notice for two days.
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[07:02:06] <NCommander> COnfirmed outdate due to DB certs expiring
[07:02:00] <NCommander> Yup
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[07:01:07] <drcoolbp> noted
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[07:00:56] <GungnirSniper> The women I chase don't seem to like it. Nor my neckbeard.
[07:00:25] <drcoolbp> that wouldn't be ideal, unless you like that bald look....
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[07:00:02] <GungnirSniper> I'm just happy I copied my submission to Notepad before submitting. Or else I'd be pulling out my remaining hair.
[06:59:29] <NCommander> Working on it
[06:59:27] <NCommander> The SSL certificates expired on the database
[06:59:19] <drcoolbp> job*
[06:59:15] <drcoolbp> yes GungnirSniper, NCommander is on the jobg
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[06:58:44] <GungnirSniper> AAAAA Error 503!
[06:58:22] <wjwlsn> good
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[06:55:52] <LaminatorX> Oh, there will be more characters, have no doubt.
[06:54:30] <NCommander> With the SSL certificates we were using for MySQL
[06:54:20] <NCommander> Ok, so it looks like this was a ticking timebomb
[06:54:12] <NCommander> argh
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[06:52:52] <prospectacle> LaminatorX you should have just posted a summary of pi and then had a "[Read more (∞ more characters)]"
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[06:52:30] <wjwlsn> that
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[06:52:17] <Robotron> lol
[06:51:36] <mattie_p> lol @ LaminatorX
[06:51:34] * NCommander debugs further
[06:51:27] <wjwlsn> ruh
[06:51:18] <NCommander> fuck
[06:51:18] <NCommander> Well
[06:51:11] <LaminatorX> I overflowed the story input buffer, clearly.
[06:50:54] <wjwlsn> how
[06:50:52] <prospectacle> you should have rounded
[06:50:42] <prospectacle> it's because pi is infinite and it doesn't have that much capacity
[06:50:33] <prospectacle> lol
[06:50:27] <LaminatorX> I went to post the Pi Day story and was like, "Crap. I broke slash."
[06:49:35] <NCommander> I see how to fix it, but I'm trying to get the error state before restarting
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[06:49:27] <NCommander> Apache died
[06:49:25] <NCommander> Yeah
[06:48:57] <juggs> ahh true, but OOM is what gets it killed after something runs amok. At least in my very very very little experience.
[06:48:10] <drcoolbp> possible, we had that the other day, but it wasn't the root cause
[06:47:50] <juggs> my bet - OOM
[06:47:30] <NCommander> Let me see if I can figure out why it hung
[06:47:22] <NCommander> Its apache
[06:47:20] <NCommander> Yeah
[06:47:20] <juggs> yup
[06:47:19] <prospectacle> right
[06:47:14] <Robotron> is the site down right now?
[06:47:07] <juggs> hey
[06:47:04] <prospectacle> hi robotron
[06:46:57] <Robotron> hey guys
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[06:46:49] <NCommander> standby
[06:46:45] <NCommander> I think Apache hung
[06:46:24] <wjwlsn> i
[06:46:21] <prospectacle> ....jump!
[06:46:18] <prospectacle> ...one
[06:46:16] <juggs> SIGJUMP ? which mumber is that agin?
[06:46:14] <prospectacle> ...two
[06:46:09] <prospectacle> three
[06:45:42] <prospectacle> I think if we all jump at the same time it will trip the restart interrupt
[06:45:30] <zigbig> Cool, thanks for doing the good work
[06:45:21] <juggs> perhaps a unicorn sacrifice is required :D
[06:45:02] <mattie_p> does not appear to be anything serious at this time
[06:44:53] <juggs> the wizards are frantically waving wands and uttering incantations
[06:44:48] <zigbig> Just tech issues nothing nefarious?
[06:44:25] <mattie_p> NCommander is on the case
[06:43:53] <wjwlsn> yep,
[06:43:32] <zigbig> so... SN is offline?
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[06:42:17] <keplr> I figure if I cut out meat, most dairy, eggs, tobacco, masturbation, that I'll be able to drink as much as I want. Human health is bayesian right?
[06:39:27] <wjwlsn> drink
[06:39:16] <keplr> -Dr. Spaceman
[06:38:55] <keplr> I've been saying this for years. Humans NEED more animal blood. It keeps the spine straight!
[06:38:29] <prospectacle> everyone knows protein comes from blood. Eat enough blood, blood pudding, blood sausage, blood milkshakes, get enough protein
[06:38:29] <wjwlsn> just
[06:37:36] <juggs> yup I'm sure
[06:37:32] <prospectacle> yeah right
[06:37:31] <wjwlsn> rice
[06:37:20] <keplr> You can get all your protein from plants
[06:37:07] <juggs> need protein from somewhere
[06:36:48] <keplr> Ethical eggs are expensive
[06:36:42] <keplr> I will use eggs, but have been trying to cut down
[06:36:27] <baaaacon> karma - bacon: 167
[06:36:27] <MrBluze> Bacon++
[06:36:08] <keplr> Real chinese uses a lot of pork and chicken flesh
[06:35:37] <arti> keplr: plenty of variety with veggies
[06:35:32] * juggs makes coffee for NCommander
[06:35:29] <keplr> Can't throw a stone without hitting a Mexican immigrant who runs a food stand. I'm thankful for that
[06:35:21] <NCommander> just woke up
[06:35:15] <NCommander> yeah need 2 minutes.
[06:35:01] * nobbis standing by
[06:34:50] <drcoolbp> NCommander is on scene, please stand by folks
[06:34:30] <arti> speaking of metal things, you seen a hang drum?
[06:34:24] <wjwlsn> ever
[06:33:51] <keplr> I can cook better fried rice than you can get at chinese restuarants. Other dishes aren't in my wheel house since I'm vegetarian
[06:33:41] <juggs> have wok will travel :D
[06:33:19] <arti> :O~
[06:33:04] <arti> ah yeah, all the more reason to become an expert at preparing it
[06:32:44] <keplr> San Luis Obispo county
[06:32:38] <keplr> There are NO authentic Chinese restaurants in my entire county
[06:32:30] <arti> keplr, where abouts are you at?
[06:32:07] <arti> keplr: there are places
[06:32:00] <arti> i've had some german friends tell me about a mexican restaurant there, blows my mind
[06:31:51] <keplr> Have to go to SF for that.
[06:31:46] <keplr> I just wish I could get real Chinese food here
[06:31:42] <wjwlsn> very
[06:31:30] <keplr> Socal resident, I agree
[06:31:21] <arti> well, NA
[06:31:17] <arti> mexican food is something i would miss leaving the states
[06:30:54] <MrBluze> Yummy
[06:30:32] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at MrBluze
[06:30:32] <Subsentient1> $burrito MrBluze
[06:30:26] <Subsentient1> I gots a better idea.
[06:30:22] <wjwlsn> did
[06:29:56] <wjwlsn> who
[06:29:54] <MrBluze> While we get through this minor technical glitch, we recommend you watch Swan lake on YouTube or something similar
[06:29:35] <arti> dat cached pages
[06:29:10] * Subsentient1 drops on the floor and does a screaming tantrum
[06:28:33] <juggs> oh noes - the sky is falling!
[06:28:23] <keplr> Yes
[06:28:08] <Subsentient1> SN is down?
[06:28:05] <wjwlsn> error
[06:28:05] <Subsentient1> What the hell?
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[06:27:51] <prospectacle> well that was interesting
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[06:27:24] <keplr> The Iranians who own the place probably don't care
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[06:27:06] <juggs> keplr, are shops even allowed to sell out of date stuff?
[06:26:41] <juggs> Nerdfest, I was getting random 503 when looking at comment Preview yesterday
[06:26:38] <mattie_p> yes, we are aware. Working the issue now
[06:26:10] <Nerdfest> nevermind, main page gets it too.
[06:26:08] <keplr> I live in this special place in California where you can get everything--including everything terrible.
[06:25:26] <Nerdfest> Anyopne else getting the 503 when viewing details from the main page?
[06:25:19] <keplr> I found Erdinger at a small shop, it was 5 months past the "best use" date
[06:23:54] <juggs> haha - each to their own
[06:23:42] <keplr> Then it's terrible and pointless.
[06:23:31] <juggs> not really - I can imagine one could get very fat doing that :D
[06:23:04] <keplr> Do you want to drink beer all day, and night, and never get drunk, and not be hung over the next day?
[06:22:22] <juggs> is that a good thing?
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[06:22:01] <keplr> I found a locally made 2% ABV beer
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[06:01:10] <NezSez> nighters foo
[06:00:55] <FoobarBazbot> anyway, night.
[06:00:45] <keplr> "Hubble Witnesses an Asteroid Disintegrating" recreating the /. feel with week old news. <3
[06:00:34] <FoobarBazbot> So next time you use it, it will mock you yet again.
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[06:00:26] <NezSez> ah
[06:00:13] <FoobarBazbot> He uses one of those up offering you /
[05:59:50] * SedBot is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[05:59:50] <FoobarBazbot> lol, sedbot mocks your name for 1.5 uses every time you leave off a /
[05:59:44] <NezSez> thnx for the comedy!
[05:59:36] <NezSez> ok night all
[05:57:30] * SedBot tosses a / to NizSoz
[05:57:30] <NezSez> s/me/!
[05:57:12] * SedBot offers NuzSyz a /
[05:57:12] <NezSez> s/me/
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[05:56:44] <SedBot> <NezSez> <----mocks me
[05:56:44] <NezSez> s/there//
[05:56:30] <NezSez> <----mocks me there
[05:54:42] <NezSez> well there ya go
[05:54:34] <SedBot> <NezSez> will it munge regular /say output too bore just /me actions?
[05:54:34] <NezSez> s/or/bore/
[05:53:54] <NezSez> will it munge regular /say output too or just /me actions?
[05:53:06] <NezSez> well I'll just have to write an edbot
[05:52:26] <pbnjoe> heh
[05:51:52] <NezSez> #include<idiotbot.h>
[05:51:31] <NezSez> ehehhe
[05:51:10] <pbnjoe> you better step up your game NezSez
[05:50:52] <pbnjoe> HA
[05:50:44] <NezSez> LOL
[05:50:39] <SedBot> <NozSoz> mocks SydBot
[05:50:39] <NezSez> s/e/y/
[05:50:18] <SpallsHurgenson> IRC fight! IRC fight!
[05:50:07] * NezSez mocks SedBot
[05:49:33] <NezSez> LOL
[05:49:21] * SpallsHurgenson surfs the world with googleearth and settles on Albion, NY as his target
[05:49:10] <NezSez> SledBot, did you know there's no slashes and two e's in NezSez?
[05:49:08] <arti> heh
[05:49:02] * SedBot offers pbnjie a /
[05:49:02] <pbnjoe> s/watch/I'll probably be pbnjae
[05:48:55] <pbnjoe> watch
[05:48:31] <pbnjoe> yes, he mocks you
[05:48:23] <NezSez> nyzSez????
[05:48:15] <arti> excellent
[05:48:14] <NezSez> doh!
[05:48:12] <pbnjoe> heheh
[05:48:03] <SedBot> NyzSez, did you know there's THREE slashes in a proper s/// command?
[05:48:03] <NezSez> s/string/strings
[05:47:36] * SedBot is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[05:47:35] * NezSez sedbot can get down n dirty with string
[05:46:31] <SpallsHurgenson> the cat has grown bored of the little red dot, and does not chase it anymore. I need to get down'n'dirty with string these days :)
[05:46:01] <FoobarBazbot> prospectacle: suddenly the ability to approve additional candidates in later posts makes a *lot* of sense!
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[05:45:21] <SedBot> <arti> recommends item: laser pointer
[05:45:21] <arti> s/point/pointer/
[05:45:19] <FoobarBazbot> #staff 00:43 <prospectacle> Potentially could have write-in candidates? Put "newoption++" in your comment
[05:45:13] * arti recommends item: laser point
[05:42:31] * SpallsHurgenson returns, torn and bloody, from playing with kitteh
[05:40:42] <NezSez> lol
[05:40:03] <SedBot> <FoobarBazbot> heard that the polling stuff specifically is grottier than the rest of /code.
[05:40:03] <FoobarBazbot> s/it'/the polling stuff specifically i/
[05:39:40] * FoobarBazbot heard that it's grottier than the rest of /code.
[05:39:24] <FoobarBazbot> haven't looked at the existing polling stuff.
[05:39:14] <FoobarBazbot> No, I was looking at the stuff prospectacle posted in his journal.
[05:38:35] <NezSez> yes it's in perl
[05:38:24] <NezSez> foo: I assumed you'd looked at the polling code at least
[05:38:20] * FoobarBazbot ducks
[05:38:11] <FoobarBazbot> But I hear it's in perl, so probably yes.
[05:37:51] <FoobarBazbot> NezSez: Not sure where you got that from, I haven't looked at it at all.
[05:37:48] <drcoolbp> I think he's busy in another channel, and yes, it's complex
[05:37:36] <NezSez> <--- hasn't had time to look at it yet
[05:37:18] <NezSez> so Foobar, since you've looked over the slashcode some, is it really as bad as I've heard?
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[05:35:30] <NezSez> nighters Cmn
[05:35:28] <prospectacle> and a good night to you cmn
[05:35:15] <Cmn32480> Ladies, Gentlemen, and all the rest of you too..... Good night!
[05:31:58] <pbnjoe> Hahahaha
[05:30:58] <NezSez> good answer
[05:30:48] <NezSez> LOL
[05:30:44] <FoobarBazbot> A divorce
[05:30:31] <NezSez> "If the wife wants X, but the husband has a valid and sound argument for Y, what will the couple obtain?"
[05:29:12] <drcoolbp> ethanol-fueled: PM
[05:29:07] <prospectacle> If Spalls has three wheels of cheese, and he buys two more but he eats half of the new total. How well will he sleep/
[05:28:48] <SpallsHurgenson> the less valuable the data on the website, the more difficult the captcha
[05:28:21] <prospectacle> Simple english logic captchas can be useful. More effort to write, though
[05:27:26] <NezSez> captcha dissonance: when either your eyesight, or display resolution aren't good enough to actually see the letters clearly thru the horrible lines
[05:26:43] <mattie_p> Khyber: where you at? I was trying to get you to settle down is all
[05:26:05] * SpallsHurgenson is having problems passing captchas already ... and I'm almost mostly organic!
[05:25:24] <prospectacle> lol agree w/ xkcd. As long as the bar is high enough, we'd like nothing more than for bots to jump over it.
[05:25:24] <NezSez> lol
[05:24:45] <drcoolbp> foobarBazbot: I've been here for 15 minutes....
[05:24:42] * SpallsHurgenson quickly pulls his pants back on
[05:24:31] <drcoolbp> mattie_p Awesome
[05:24:27] <FoobarBazbot> Incoming staff! everyone hide!
[05:23:38] <mattie_p> relevant xkcd (partially) https://xkcd.com
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[05:22:56] <Cmn32480> night blackmoore
[05:22:48] <Ethanol-fueled> night blackmoore
[05:22:48] <NezSez> nighters blackmoore
[05:22:41] <Blackmoore> night all.
[05:21:39] <Ethanol-fueled> Cmn32480: Sockpuppeting ain't my style. It's why after I was banned permanently from posting on "the other site" I never started a new username even though I still posted anon and signed posts.
[05:21:38] <prospectacle> Foobar, yes that's a possibility. That possibility can not be mitigated against, it's simply impossible. At least you can force them to maintain regular, +karma comments, though
[05:21:29] <drcoolbp> Ethanol-fuled: my arrogance is duly noted, but for the future it is still a concern
[05:21:28] * FoobarBazbot has more than one account, but hasn't thus far been arsed to karmawhore with the other ones.
[05:20:55] <prospectacle> drcool, spalls, if you're happy to just read the responses (despite responses being public), you can get empirical data by telling them to add a specific syntax to their comments (e.g. options++)
[05:20:53] <Cmn32480> Ethanol-fueled: Start creating your sock-puppet accounts now... then they will be ready by the time the poll gets released
[05:20:50] <Ethanol-fueled> coolbp: I hate to rain on your parade, but we're not popular enough for sockpuppets...yet :)
[05:20:20] <drcoolbp> Ethanol-fuled: still doesn't prevent sock-puppet accounts that have been around a while right?
[05:20:09] <Ethanol-fueled> (well, time and karma)
[05:20:04] <SpallsHurgenson> ah, metrics. everybody loves those :)
[05:19:59] <FoobarBazbot> prospectacle: but if the numbers are fairly simple and published, it's easy to maintain sockpuppets at that level... I'm more concerned about one person running a string of sockpuppet manually or semi-manually, not truly autonomous bots.
[05:19:51] <drcoolbp> also people may still feel their voice isnt' being heard
[05:19:45] <Ethanol-fueled> How about a "probation period" based on time rather than karma?
[05:19:36] <drcoolbp> SpallsHurgenson: yes, I've considered this, it's just more difficult to draw impirical data from
[05:18:56] <Ethanol-fueled> Ah, got it. Thanks.
[05:18:48] <prospectacle> Foobar: Of course any bots that can maintain + karma and regular comments should be invited to stay
[05:18:43] <SpallsHurgenson> could just ask the question and read the responses :)
[05:18:40] <Cmn32480> I mean for the purposes of this particular poll. UID had to be created prior to the day the poll got released
[05:18:32] <prospectacle> Foobar, too true. I guess if the numbers are fairly simple and are publsihed, then any real people who let their accounts decay or karma drop can not complain.
[05:18:28] <FoobarBazbot> Ethanol-fueled: I think Cmn32480 is thinking X=the last UID at the time the poll goes up. if so, I don't see it as a problem.
[05:18:15] <drcoolbp> prospectacle: I'll try to gather some notes and post on the wiki, we are discussing this among staff, it's an important issue
[05:18:04] <baaaacon> [Khyber] Good job on the censorship, mattie_p
[05:17:36] <FoobarBazbot> prospectacle: It would be easy enough to get a pretty good accuracy. But the few false-positives will get _really_really_ mad about being flagged as bots and disenfranchised.
[05:17:29] <prospectacle> drcoolbp, that's true. I don't know what the DB looks like but I was imagining these metrics would be fairly easy to tease out, if you're writing a can_they_vote($UID) function.
[05:17:12] <Ethanol-fueled> Cmn32480: nobody's gonna want to join if there is institutionally-enforced UID-ism. We want new users that they too can attain the status of low-UID users except only the bragging rights.
[05:16:50] <drcoolbp> prospectacle: maybe, but that adds even more work to re-working the poll system, I will however jot that down
[05:16:39] <prospectacle> (A might be 0, of course)
[05:16:10] <prospectacle> drcoolbp, I think it would be relatively easy to measure "real" people. e.g. commented X times in the last Y days. Karma of at least Z. Registered at least A hours before the vote opened.
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[05:15:44] <Ethanol-fueled> I think that's the golden middle that won't piss off people trying to sign up.
[05:15:34] <Cmn32480> Have a check for UID below X?
[05:14:57] <Ethanol-fueled> Cmn, that's not a good idea because we need more readers. Maybe allow creation but disallow voting in that one poll.
[05:14:49] <drcoolbp> we've been thinking a lot about it
[05:14:47] <Blackmoore> it just has to ecord the vote without an indictor of who did it
[05:14:41] <drcoolbp> thanks
[05:14:27] <Ethanol-fueled> Yeah, good point BP
[05:14:22] <Cmn32480> Is a portino of the idea to turn off the account creation for the duration of the vote?
[05:14:20] <Ethanol-fueled> Cmn32480: why does the ballot have to be secret? Is this a way to prevent another squallble among those who have the godlike powers to see who voted for what?
[05:14:11] <Blackmoore> well secret or not the voting software can check the user name against a database, see if you are on it, and if you have voted.
[05:14:10] <drcoolbp> Ethanol-fuled: can still lead to massive amounts of sock-puppet acounts that will accumulate
[05:13:20] <prospectacle> Ethanol: I think logging in to vote is one of the dominant ideas ATM, but not showing people who voted for what
[05:13:00] <FoobarBazbot> Ethanol-fueled, I think basically every serious proposal has included that.
[05:12:57] <Cmn32480> Ethanol-Fueled: isn't that the exact opposite of a secret ballot?
[05:12:54] <prospectacle> Foobar, drussel. Thanks for your considerate feedback
[05:12:41] <Ethanol-fueled> I know the libertarians and other freetards are going to shit at that idea, but wouldn't it be the most scientifically sound method?
[05:12:15] <Ethanol-fueled> Hey, wait! About the polls -- it would be a pain in the ass to implement, but I think it would be a good idea to hook each vote directly with a username, and only those usernames which existed before the creation of the poll.
[05:12:01] <NezSez> after this winter here, now if it's above about 27 F I don't wear a jacket
[05:11:47] * SpallsHurgenson sings "I'm walking in Memphis, I'm walking with my feet ten feet off of Beale; walking in Memphis, but do I really feel the way I feel?"
[05:11:07] <NezSez> Cmn: I'm from TX originally; mom said it was 75 yesterday
[05:10:47] <Cmn32480> and Elvis says hello.
[05:10:27] <Cmn32480> NezSez: I'm in Memphis until tomorrow... it was 65 here today.
[05:10:26] * FoobarBazbot actually likes the idea of being able to change ones ballot througout the polling time, but it doesn't work when everybody can see all the ballots.
[05:10:22] <Blackmoore> NezSez - see all the more reason to head south mexico, keywest; something warm..
[05:09:41] <prospectacle> At least, no take-backs.
[05:09:23] <NezSez> blackmoore: oh yeah I'm in Detroit :)
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[05:09:16] <FoobarBazbot> NezSez, yes, I think that would be an issue
[05:09:12] <Ethanol-fueled> Blackmoore: are all the flights still being cancelled?
[05:09:03] <prospectacle> NezSez. Yes I agree, first answer only.
[05:08:56] <Blackmoore> well, there was this bizzard that kinda came through chigago , buffalo, syracue last nught
[05:08:53] <prospectacle> drussel. I know how you feel.
[05:08:44] <NezSez> if you can change your mind, and thus your vote, aren't we back to the unfairness argument for time zones, etc?
[05:08:41] <prospectacle> Foobar, that's true, For approval I figured, ++ or nothing (-- is functionally the same as ++), and if you change your mind after, well, you should have thought about it first.
[05:08:24] <drussell> I'll try to put some of my thoughts together in a journal or wiki entry or something here tonight, I have a whole 'manifesto' on voting and polling brewing in my head...
[05:08:22] <Ethanol-fueled> Foobar, that would create so much wishy-washiness that no consensus would be reached and no decisions made.
[05:08:14] <prospectacle> drussel. Ok. Thanks for the feedback.
[05:07:45] <FoobarBazbot_> obviously, that would require processing them in the correct order.
[05:07:41] * SpallsHurgenson zooms in on a town near Utica using GoogleEarth, trying to figure out what those white splotches are... have I discovered the great marshmallow farms that new york is so famous for?
[05:07:31] <prospectacle> Foobar, -- would be no problem to add. At some point of course, you've got to say. "Well we have to take you first answer".
[05:07:11] <drussell> prospectacle, It's really not the way to do it for the name vote, IMHO
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[05:07:00] <prospectacle> drussel, fair enough. I can imagine that being a popular opinion.
[05:06:54] * FoobarBazbot_ wonders if candidate-- could be used to add that capability
[05:06:42] <Cmn32480> SpallsHurgenson: Do you know how cold it is in Utica? Currently 13 deg F
[05:06:33] <FoobarBazbot_> Second, this means a voter can change their mind and approve _more_ candidates later -- but there's no way for that voter to change their mind and _dis_approve a candidate they already approved.
[05:06:14] <prospectacle> Foobar, it's true, you might decide later you like one. I didn't see a problem with that as long as it filters out multiple votes for a candidate from the same person (which it does)
[05:06:07] <drussell> prospectacle, I think if anything important is being decided in a web poll for community consensus like this, it must be secret ballot, yes, most definitely
[05:05:50] <Blackmoore> Spalls - Utica, but in july, after they thaw out
[05:05:20] <drussell> Personally, I think the voting booth should be separate from the poll section even if they share the same underlying framework
[05:05:17] <FoobarBazbot_> AIUI, it would accumulate votes from multiple comments. That's interesting -- not wrong, but not the first thing that comes to mind...
[05:05:09] <SpallsHurgenson> Utica, New York. Nobody ever goes there, so we can be sure of getting hotel reservations :)
[05:04:31] <prospectacle> drussel, secret ballots do seem popular. In politics they prevent recriminations/bullying. I wonder if that's as important on a website, though
[05:03:49] <FoobarBazbot_> prospectacle, couple things...
[05:03:34] <Cmn32480> Ethanol-fueled: I can live with that.
[05:03:32] <drussell> prospectacle, It's an interesting idea but somewhat cumbersome and for any "votes" like the name rather than "polls" for regular fun fodder it needs to be a secret ballot
[05:03:19] <NezSez> i vote Hawaii, but Buenos Aires is good too
[05:03:03] <SpallsHurgenson> Buenos Aires! You can drive there!
[05:02:53] <prospectacle> I vote antarctica, sure it's cold and dangerou and a long way from everyone, but at least we'll all be equally unhappy
[05:02:46] <Blackmoore> spring break?
[05:02:31] <Ethanol-fueled> Cmn32480, can we do Myrtle Beach?
[05:02:19] <Blackmoore> i can work with that
[05:02:03] <Cmn32480> Charleston, SC? The Firefly Distillery is near there... legal moonshine
[05:01:31] <Blackmoore> besides i'm freezing up here
[05:01:09] <Blackmoore> nah, the hotels have the filtration down,
[05:00:37] <prospectacle> legend
[05:00:33] <Cmn32480> Nah... can't drink the water
[05:00:28] <FoobarBazbot_> prospectacle: reading it right now, actually.
[05:00:05] <Blackmoore> Cabo San Lucas?
[05:00:04] <SpallsHurgenson> (I also create 50 other accounts to vote for Reykjavík as well :)
[04:59:57] <prospectacle> FoobarBazbot: If you ever feel like reading it, would enjoy getting feedback on the approval voting system code I put in my journal
[04:59:48] <Blackmoore> well, i'll have to drive - so europe is out for me
[04:59:41] <Cmn32480> I don't have that many frequent flyer miles. Or a passport
[04:59:15] <SpallsHurgenson> I vote Reykjavík
[04:58:50] <Cmn32480> I vote Philly.
[04:58:06] <Ethanol-fueled> Let's meet up in California instead. We got me, Dopefish, Khyber, and who else?
[04:58:04] <Blackmoore> write up some kind of articles..
[04:57:41] <Blackmoore> hell, could we just go meet up in philadelpia?
[04:57:15] <prospectacle> Wait until we've got embassies in every country and observer status in the UN security council
[04:56:51] <prospectacle> Spalls, for now...
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[04:56:18] <SpallsHurgenson> I wouldn't necessarily go that far, but we're not really talking countries here, but a small website.
[04:56:01] <Cmn32480> What do penis potatoes have to do with anything?
[04:56:00] <Blackmoore> depends on which /. rob was resposive to some degree, and next group not as much and well Dice...
[04:55:47] <MrBluze> it is for small countries
[04:55:28] <NezSez> best form of government benign dictator
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[04:54:51] * NezSez strategically waits to comment on MrBluze's comment
[04:54:31] <SpallsHurgenson> the problem with /. wasn't so much that it was owned and controlled by a select few; it was that they didn't not listen to the audience. You can have a responsive tyranny, after all :)
[04:54:25] <MrBluze> i vote we vote about how to vote
[04:54:21] <mattie_p> It'll never be perfect. We're aiming for "good enough"
[04:54:20] <Ethanol-fueled> A poll which could actually be trusted and taken into account to make big decisions.
[04:53:56] <Ethanol-fueled> That would be pretty awesome if we could get a scientifically sound poll, free of dupes and other meddling.
[04:53:49] <NezSez> foobar: oh yes that would work
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[04:53:48] <FoobarBazbot> prospectacle: I'm a big range/approval fan.
[04:53:44] <mattie_p> We actually thought about running a poll on how to vote here. We decided redundant poll would be redundant
[04:53:37] <Cmn32480> mattie_p: If you can't do better than Maryland I'm gonna be disappointed. They can't find their ass with both hands and a flashlight.
[04:53:37] <prospectacle> FoobarBazbot, yes it's a valid concern to consider. I only mention it cause I proposed a system that would allow voting via the comment section, as a simple, direct approach (uses approval voting)
[04:53:28] <NezSez> the information they would get by waiting, is not much different than what would be gained if the merely went and researched relevant things before voting
[04:53:23] <FoobarBazbot> NezSez: If we don't show the results until the poll closes, I don't see how that's not a solution?
[04:52:54] <FoobarBazbot> prospectacle: absolutely. And if we use a good voting system (approval ++), it may not matter, but AFAICS that's the reason concern exists about it.
[04:52:44] <Ethanol-fueled> mattie_p: If you don't have principles, what do you have? Keep on truckin'.
[04:52:40] <mattie_p> Cmn32480: Then I'd like to think we can do better here than in Maryland.
[04:52:39] <SpallsHurgenson> while I appreciate the commitment to "the community", I also think the idea of running a website democratically is also sort of naive.
[04:52:31] <NezSez> foobar: there is no solution, other than having all voters awake, ready and syncronized at the same moment then
[04:52:12] <prospectacle> FoobarBazbot, stv has some problems on this front. (strategic voting), approval voting not immune but it's less of a problem.
[04:52:12] <mattie_p> Ethanol-fueled: trust me, I don't take it personally. I think its funny. But I'd get similar complaints if I posted a front page article explaining why we couldn't vote. Since I can't win either way, I do what I think is best
[04:52:05] <Ethanol-fueled> t I can't guarantee I won't stumble in here drunk on a weekend and remember that I was told to tone it down.
[04:52:02] <Cmn32480> mattie_p: They "verify" your address by asking you for it. Unbelievably crazy. I believe we had one district that had 103% turnout in the last presidential election.
[04:51:45] <Ethanol-fueled> Sorrry MrBluze, but I can'
[04:51:21] <Ethanol-fueled> Hahahah
[04:51:17] <prospectacle> FoobarBazbot, strategic voting is less of an issue with some electoral systems than others
[04:51:07] <FoobarBazbot> Not only is it unfair to people in different timezones, etc., it creates an incentive to try to outwait everyone.
[04:51:06] <Ethanol-fueled> mattie_p: Nothing personal. Isn't it a requirement to be socialy-retardedly pedantic "on the floor?"
[04:50:40] <prospectacle> Spalls, what if there are lots of important polls. I mean this is just the name. But what about adding new features, new financial models, new services, etc
[04:50:38] <mattie_p> Cmn32480 I'm sure there is a register or something to sign, and besides, those ballots are probably cross-referenced against registered voters at some point
[04:50:23] <FoobarBazbot> NezSez: because if that gives later voters information to vote strategically that early voters don't have, it's pretty fucked up.
[04:50:20] <Blackmoore> and a busness structure of hookers and blow
[04:50:17] <SpallsHurgenson> ehn. I just think it is a lot of effort for something that won't offer any real tangible benefit.
[04:50:05] <Blackmoore> Fark effect, you end up with a name of Rick Rolled
[04:49:20] <NezSez> why is allowing the realtime results possibly affecting voting considered bad?
[04:49:07] <Cmn32480> Mattie-p: Not in Maryland they don't! It is illegal here to ask for ID before voting.
[04:49:06] <baaaacon> karma - baaaacon: 1
[04:49:06] <juggs> baaaacon++
[04:48:51] <prospectacle> Spalls, you could in theory filter on karma, recent posting, no-sign-ups-after-poll-starts
[04:48:39] <baaaacon> karma - poutine: -319
[04:48:39] <kobach> poutine--
[04:48:28] <prospectacle> by which I mean wikipedia
[04:48:21] <mattie_p> we are aware of that concern. However, a general rule in a democracy is one person, one vote. and those people must be authorized to vote
[04:48:18] <SpallsHurgenson> especially for something as pointless as trying to "fix" the polls. It'll just force the creation of more sock-puppet accounts
[04:48:17] <prospectacle> Kind of like WP in that sense
[04:48:17] <Blackmoore> yeah but if we need a poll for a name or a structure then we need a way to do that with some acuracy
[04:48:14] <Ethanol-fueled> Blackmoore: sweet! gimme some.
[04:48:10] <prospectacle> SpallsHurgenson: The existence of AC seems like it shouldnt' work but I think it does, and should be kept as a monument to the possibility that things don't have to be completely locked down to work
[04:47:23] <SpallsHurgenson> as a general point, I'm opposed to removing the AC option for anything :)
[04:47:03] <prospectacle> But these are not massive changes in terms of requirements
[04:47:02] <MrBluze> not decide things
[04:47:00] <MrBluze> current system is intended to stimulate discussion
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[04:46:55] <prospectacle> Allowing approval or stv would again make a massive difference to the quality
[04:46:42] <SpallsHurgenson> current system never was INTENDED for anything serious, as far as I could tell
[04:46:39] <prospectacle> Spalls, even removing AC and multiple votes would make a massive difference in the right direction.
[04:46:30] <Blackmoore> :P ethonol fueled -- using LDS tonight
[04:46:17] <prospectacle> Current system is not even a quarter decent for anything serious. It's fine for a "Web poll" but not any real decisions.
[04:46:05] <SpallsHurgenson> I don't think anybody will ever take it seriously, even if you do. Internet polls are notoriously unreliable methods of gauging opinion
[04:45:40] <NezSez> yeah the 80/20 rule ya know
[04:45:27] <MrBluze> uhm... Ethanol-fueled, can u tone down the uhh.. colourful language a bit?
[04:45:18] <mattie_p> it won't be perfect, but it is better than the system we currently have
[04:45:11] <kobach> rofl
[04:45:09] <prospectacle> Better to be fairly good as opposed to not even try
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[04:45:04] <mattie_p> I'm pretty sure we can do our best to ungame it
[04:44:29] <SpallsHurgenson> are we really interested in a "real poll" system? It's gonna be gamed either way
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[04:44:17] <mattie_p> Ethanol-fueled, I have to lol at you recommending modding me down
[04:41:45] <MrBluze> yep
[04:41:24] <Ethanol-fueled> SpallsHurgenson: to hell with those sons of bitches.
[04:41:14] <prospectacle> mattie_p: thanks for the poll and update. You can tell a website an organisation is gonna really be something worth watching when it take the details of electoral systems seriously.
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[04:38:00] <SpallsHurgenson> I bet the NSA is regretting the billions they spent to record everything on the Internet now :)
[04:36:58] <Ethanol-fueled> It will gape you open like a Black 300-pound prison bunkmate.
[04:36:35] <Ethanol-fueled> You need to be sedated for the great colon snake.
[04:35:20] <Ethanol-fueled> Cmn32480: not nearly as bad. Most douchers are either gay, whores, gay whores, or women who don't know how to use soap.
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[04:32:36] <Cmn32480> Ethanol-fueled: Is that kinda like getting the stuff for a colonoscopy?
[04:30:29] <pbnjoe> Aw, sorry I'm not
[04:29:51] <NezSez> he was a friend, actually met him in person half a dozen times, and I thought geez, what if you were actually him
[04:29:39] <pbnjoe> FoobarBazbot, :D
[04:29:35] <Ethanol-fueled> Hey girl, whatcha got this for?
[04:29:28] <mattie_p> new poll: get it while it is hot and before it is on the front page: http://soylentnews.org
[04:29:23] <FoobarBazbot> pbnjoe: that's what I assumed it was. Peanut-butter-and-coffee sandwich ftw.
[04:29:19] <Ethanol-fueled> Have you ever worked retail at a store that sells douche? And how the women who are buying it at the checkout try to cover the box with other things so nobody notices? Well, the women things in her ignorance nobody notices, but everybody knows, especially the cashier.
[04:29:13] <SpallsHurgenson> I don't want things explained, I want drama! betrayal, love, backstabbing, scenes of sobbing forgiveness!
[04:29:03] <NezSez> many moons ago, on efnet in #music there used to be a guy who used the nick pb
[04:28:38] <NezSez> well what started me on it was this...
[04:28:20] <pbnjoe> You're actually the first to ask about it
[04:28:08] <pbnjoe> Why, thank you very much
[04:27:53] <NezSez> pbnjoe: well congrats sir! that is indeed a truly kick-ass nick I say
[04:27:44] <Ethanol-fueled> That shit is obvious as fuck.
[04:27:38] * FoobarBazbot_ clanks out of the room
[04:27:30] <FoobarBazbot_> I'm not!
[04:27:30] <Ethanol-fueled> But that David Michael Crawford bot needs an algorithm adjustment.
[04:27:26] <pbnjoe> so used to using it
[04:27:19] <pbnjoe> I haven't thought about it in years :P
[04:27:01] <Ethanol-fueled> EVERYBODY'S A BOT.
[04:27:00] <NezSez> pbnjoe: LOL
[04:26:56] <Ethanol-fueled> barrabas is an A.I. student. this is his baby.
[04:26:54] <pbnjoe> pronounced PB 'n' Joe
[04:26:49] <NezSez> the new domain owner, matt_ , posted a journal I believe which explains a few things
[04:26:37] <SpallsHurgenson> has barrabas come back as an amnesiac? Is ncommander having somebody's baby?
[04:26:37] <pbnjoe> NezSez, yes. My username is short for peanutbutter and coffee
[04:26:09] <Cmn32480> I will take this kind of discussion to what has been going on the last 10 days. At least this is making me laugh
[04:26:02] <SpallsHurgenson> so, what's new in the soylent soap opera?
[04:25:49] <Blackmoore> i'll give you that
[04:25:44] <Ethanol-fueled> It was that surgical-scrub blue rubber, with a white plastic want protruding from it.
[04:25:41] <NezSez> pbnjoe: ssssoooooo....does the pbn stand for anything?
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[04:25:13] <Ethanol-fueled> It looked and sounded a lot like those big durable balloons with the pull-string people like to hit and throw around at ball games.
[04:24:50] <Ethanol-fueled> This was after she had already told me that douching was a sexist tool of the patriarchy, and that discussion was prompted by my finding it under the bathroom sink. I blew it up like one of those balloons and started punching it around.
[04:24:44] <pbnjoe> Only the highest quality discussion here in #Soylent
[04:24:19] <Blackmoore> and bringing back up my dinner
[04:23:57] <Cmn32480> Thanks for bringing back the repressed memory...
[04:23:50] <Ethanol-fueled> Caught momma usin' the ol' douchebag once. She forgot to lock the bathroom door (we were poorfags and had only one bathroom in the apartment) and I walked in on her with one leg up on the toilet juicin' up.
[04:21:50] <Cmn32480> just once... and I have tried VERY hard to forget it
[04:21:30] <Ethanol-fueled> Cmn32480: What, you never had a momma, and never accidentally walked in on her partially or completely naked?
[04:21:17] <Cmn32480> Having to bring the hedge trimmers to bed is not fun.... too much like yard work
[04:19:14] <Cmn32480> Ethanol-Fueled: That explains A LOT
[04:19:04] <Ethanol-fueled> She called me a "fucking pervert" and threw her panties at me, and I would shut her door just in time to deflect them. They probably stank of the must.
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[04:18:37] <Ethanol-fueled> I know because I walked in on my momma changing, many times.
[04:18:18] <Ethanol-fueled> Cmn32480: When i was a kid, women wore granny-panties and didn't trim. But now even old fat ladies are trimming and wearing thongs under tight leggings.
[04:17:18] <Cmn32480> You looking for hardwood floors instead of carpet?
[04:17:16] <Ethanol-fueled> As long as she doesn't look like AC/DC's Brian Johnson.
[04:16:36] <Ethanol-fueled> I'll still boff your momma.
[04:16:18] <SpallsHurgenson> only her mustache, I think
[04:16:10] <Ethanol-fueled> You know, "down there?"
[04:16:01] <Ethanol-fueled> does momma shave?
[04:14:44] <SpallsHurgenson> yeah, that's right. I called you a HOOLIGAN. How do you feel about that, huh? ;-)
[04:14:39] <Cmn32480> Give me a sec... I'll ask her. She just got here.
[04:13:42] <SpallsHurgenson> also, I'm pretty sure mom is a big girl and can withstand a few slurs thrown her way by internet hooligans like yourself ;-)
[04:12:59] <SpallsHurgenson> I think it's open season now :)
[04:12:43] <Cmn32480> So far, I have been successful in suppressing the urge to make "your momma" jokes.....
[04:11:34] <SpallsHurgenson> my mother is a notorious troll, and has been known to torment IRC channels for years :)
[04:07:58] <SpallsHurgenson> I've lost track. Mom?
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[04:03:53] <Ethanol-fueled> Spalls, who you talkin' about?
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[03:54:36] <SpallsHurgenson> might've been #altslashdot back when it was part of freenode
[03:53:36] <FoobarBazbot_> SpallsHurgenson: I don't believe he ever did come to this channel. Doesn't believe in a separate network
[03:52:11] <SpallsHurgenson> thank god for relaybots, eh? :-)
[03:51:30] <SpallsHurgenson> although I guess calling him a "resident" isn't too accurate, as he never actually comes to this channel anymore :)
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[03:49:48] <paulej72> Cmn32480: poutine makes some good points, but he makes personal attacks and as a general ass about everything
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[03:48:01] <Cmn32480> got it. Thanks
[03:46:51] <SpallsHurgenson> like a good troll, he has brought up some good points, but his attitude sort of works against his arguments :)
[03:46:18] <FoobarBazbot_> He's not very popular hereabouts.
[03:46:07] <Cmn32480> no contest on that
[03:46:04] <baaaacon> karma - poutine: -318
[03:46:04] <FoobarBazbot_> poutine--
[03:46:00] <FoobarBazbot_> poutine is a perpetual antogonistic naysayer, who most of us would term a troll.
[03:45:39] <SpallsHurgenson> AFAIK, "poutine" is the resident troll of the channel
[03:45:14] <Cmn32480> Somebody asked it in the comments section of the site today and I have no clue, so I'll ask here. WTF does the poutine-- thing mean?
[03:45:08] <baaaacon> karma - poutine: -317
[03:45:07] <pbnjoe> poutine--
[03:44:53] <baaaacon> karma - poutine: -316
[03:44:53] <paulej72> poutine--
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[03:37:17] <baaaacon> karma - poutine: -315
[03:37:17] <FoobarBazbot_> poutine--
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[03:19:45] <SpallsHurgenson> he mentioned it first. But I'll give the url: http://www.youtube.com :)
[03:19:17] <SpallsHurgenson> all credit goes to Blackmoore
[03:18:20] <paulej72> SpallsHurgenson: thanks for the hint on the video. that was lol good
[03:16:23] <SpallsHurgenson> ooh, that hurts :)
[03:15:53] <sea> shit, wrong chat
[03:15:45] <sea> I'm HOME!
[03:09:17] * SpallsHurgenson watches that thunder-cello video and giggles uncontrollably
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[02:55:43] <xlefay> Ah good, good.
[02:55:15] <SpallsHurgenson> this is IRC; context is not important.
[02:54:46] * xlefay probably should have read more than just the bacon lines...
[02:54:21] <SpallsHurgenson> not a problem; let me just crank up the volume...
[02:52:46] <xlefay> hmmm.... is it wrong to want to be a zombie now?
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[02:52:29] <Blackmoore> hmm maybe the zombies have figured out we taste like bacon
[02:51:46] <SpallsHurgenson> sure, you say that now. But when you're surrounded by toasting ghouls, your nostrils filled with the smell of bacon and knowing you can't eat ANY of it, we'll see who has the last laugh!
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[02:50:52] <Blackmoore> thats funny
[02:50:48] <Blackmoore> but zombies on fire?
[02:50:34] <Blackmoore> well, the chainsaw is only good till it runs out of fuel, the shotgun till it runs out of ammo
[02:50:19] <SpallsHurgenson> and isn't having fun the whole point of the dead rising from the grave and destroying the world?
[02:49:27] <SpallsHurgenson> I suppose that might work too. Doesn't sound like it'd be as much fun though.
[02:48:52] <Blackmoore> everyone should have a zombie apocolype plan. mine involves napalm.
[02:47:12] <BadCoderFinger> It is good to have a plan.
[02:46:16] * SpallsHurgenson likes to plan ahead :)
[02:43:01] <SpallsHurgenson> btw, if there is ever a zombieapocalypse, just listen for that song: I'll be playing it loudly and shooting zombies to the beat :)
[02:41:26] <SpallsHurgenson> Na-ah ah-ah-ah, THUNDER! Na-ah ah-ah-ah, THUNDER!
[02:39:51] <Blackmoore> i was just watching 2 chellos, thunderstuck.
[02:39:24] <SpallsHurgenson> Hey, I've seen some pretty funky cello playing.
[02:37:44] <Blackmoore> *puts away the chello*
[02:36:53] <SpallsHurgenson> play that funky music, white boy. Play that funky music right!
[02:33:31] <BadCoderFinger> Heh, "The Soyled!"
[02:33:30] <xlefay> yo
[02:33:28] <xlefay> ;)
[02:33:27] <baaaacon> Added quote 26
[02:33:27] <xlefay> !grab SpallsHurgenson
[02:33:17] <SpallsHurgenson> that sounded cleverer before I actually said it
[02:32:59] <SpallsHurgenson> Salutations, greetings and yo-ho-ho and a bottle of rum to all you soylers!
[02:32:38] <Blackmoore> nods at spalls
[02:32:23] <BadCoderFinger> Hey Spalls
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[02:30:17] <baaaacon> [SoylentNews] - How Minnesota's Health Exchange Became an IT Disaster - http://sylnt.us - lowest-bidders-all-the-way-down
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[02:24:33] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah?
[02:23:54] <Blackmoore> well we do have a bit to think about.
[02:23:03] <BadCoderFinger> Quiet today.
[02:22:02] <Blackmoore> sup?
[02:21:53] <BadCoderFinger> Mine's too grouchy for a "Yo"
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[02:20:27] <Cmn32480> I just figured I'd check.
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[02:19:08] <BadCoderFinger> Not mine, heh
[02:16:54] <Cmn32480> Yo mama?
[02:01:01] <BadCoderFinger> Yo
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[01:05:04] <d33tah> mod the fellow up!
[01:04:58] <d33tah> https://soylentnews.org
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[00:52:03] <baaaacon> [SoylentNews] - NSA Auto-Attacks 0-day Exploits - http://sylnt.us - is-this-confirmation-not-revelation
[00:51:21] <xlefay> =)
[00:51:15] <prospectacle> oh you're right. I see now
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[00:51:03] <xlefay> prospectacle: they do if you click on them
[00:50:53] <prospectacle> http://logs.sylnt.us
[00:50:42] <prospectacle> links don't seem to work on the logs
[00:49:00] <xlefay> http://bash.org
[00:42:32] <prospectacle> Thanks
[00:40:59] <xlefay> think the log starts around here (there was more before but lot's of chatter in between..): http://logs.sylnt.us
[00:38:52] <xlefay> That's PHP, the site itself uses Perl, I suppose one could make it run separately, they were discussing solutions for the poll stuff in #staff earlier, maybe they could use some more ideas ;-)
[00:35:39] <prospectacle> http://soylentnews.org
[00:35:38] <prospectacle> If anyone is interested I have written some code you could use to run polls/count votes.
[00:35:32] <xlefay> What's up?
[00:35:20] <xlefay> Yoooooooooo
[00:35:10] <prospectacle> Good day.
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[00:34:12] <xlefay> s/quiet/dead/
[00:33:33] <xlefay> lalalalalala... it's quiet in here
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