#staff | Logs for 2014-03-13

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[00:00:03] <FatPhil> I might hit a pub now then
[00:00:06] <xlefay> So stuff, if something's up, e.g. something broke, find someone who can fix it, no need to involve me, k? :)
[00:00:13] <xlefay> j/k, just highlight me! ;)
[00:00:17] <FatPhil> .deop
[00:00:17] -!- mode/#staff [-o FatPhil] by BaconTree
[00:00:30] <LaminatorX> I could take it some later tonight. The headliner has their own sound guy, so I'm getting paid to chill at a concert after the opener. :)
[00:00:57] <FatPhil> Someone who can keep calm and delegate is probably the ideal commander.
[00:01:01] <xlefay> FatPhil: haha to get one of them wormwood-flavoured beer?
[00:01:10] <FatPhil> damn right.
[00:01:12] <xlefay> LaminatorX: awesome ;)
[00:01:36] <xlefay> haha FatPhil enjoy!
[00:02:08] <xlefay> And thanks again for the nerdrpg work you did! :)
[00:02:22] <FatPhil> you can measure how good the beer is if Insect_Overlord lets me IRC from her phone in the pub!
[00:02:27] <xlefay> :O
[00:02:35] <kobach> lololol
[00:03:09] <xlefay> You know I'm seriously considering just changing to beerrpg someday and just let it run for a while lol
[00:03:23] <LaminatorX> Oh hey, the topic still says I'm in command.
[00:03:23] <kobach> oh my
[00:03:31] <kobach> yea fix it
[00:03:36] <kobach> LaminatorX: take command
[00:03:37] <kobach> :p
[00:03:49] xlefay changed topic of #staff to: To everyone that doesn't have a voice or operator status in this channel: your messages will be forwarded to the channel ops (if there are none, feel free to PM an active user in the channel). | xlefay is in command. (this is not a joke!)
[00:04:00] <xlefay> just in case.
[00:17:34] <FatPhil> xlefay: idlebeer is running on IRCnet
[00:17:50] <FatPhil> yeah - I stole her phoine
[00:17:54] <xlefay> rofl!
[00:18:45] <FatPhil> she thinks I'm rating a beer...
[00:19:08] <xlefay> hahaha :P
[00:19:16] <xlefay> you have a bnc or what?
[00:21:11] <FatPhil> sshing home, screen
[00:21:15] <xlefay> aaah :P
[00:21:17] <xlefay> nice
[00:22:27] <FatPhil> i bought the wrong beer :-I
[00:23:07] <FatPhil> damn the Insect Overlord wants the phone back :-(
[00:23:38] <kobach> rofl
[00:23:40] <kobach> rofl
[00:23:41] <kobach> rofl
[00:23:47] <xlefay> uh oh
[00:23:52] <xlefay> haha you have a good one buddy
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[00:44:27] <stderr> 50 new mails... And I still got some from last week and earlier this week I haven't read... WILL IT EVER STOP?!
[00:44:40] <xlefay> Unfortunately, no, no it won't.
[00:45:02] <xlefay> (least not till you reject them by default.. but that may risk pissing people off)
[00:46:17] <stderr> Pissing people off haven't stopped me before... :-)
[00:46:35] <xlefay> me neither, so do it I'd say!;)
[00:46:52] <stderr> If they got any complains they can always send me an email at blackhole@stderr.dk
[00:47:04] <xlefay> LOL
[00:47:10] <mattie_p> oh, are you matt_?
[00:47:19] <mattie_p> who's in charge right now?
[00:47:36] * xlefay points at the topic.
[00:47:45] <mattie_p> dammit, we're in trouble
[00:47:46] <stderr> mattie_p: No, matt_ is matt_...
[00:47:46] <xlefay> it does say, it's not a joke! rofl
[00:48:03] <mattie_p> matt_ == matt_ ?
[00:48:14] <mattie_p> nah, it'll be fine
[00:48:16] <xlefay> That's a very good deduction right there
[00:48:29] <mattie_p> old school reference, maybe over your head?
[00:48:30] <xlefay> what's up mattie_p?
[00:48:36] <stderr> True... Unless matt_ is a volatile, then it's a little bit more tricky to answer that question...
[00:48:48] <mattie_p> nothing, just doing some stuff around the house today
[00:49:10] <mattie_p> everything seems to be under control on the site
[00:49:19] <mattie_p> I hope everyone is trying to document their stuff
[00:49:20] <stderr> Keyword: Seems
[00:49:23] <xlefay> It does appear that way, don't ask why, you don't want to know.
[00:49:26] <xlefay> s/why/how/
[00:49:51] <kobach> my stuff is documented right here in the open
[00:49:55] <mattie_p> I know there were discussions on poll systems, any consensus on what we could implement?
[00:49:56] <kobach> or xlefay handles it
[00:50:09] <mattie_p> kobach, all of your documentation is bacon, and we know where to find it
[00:50:25] <kobach> yes
[00:50:28] <kobach> and other pork products
[00:50:29] <xlefay> think there was but I left and started ## - a real chill channel without people using food as a nickname..
[00:50:33] <xlefay> so ask kobach he probably knows
[00:50:38] <kobach> rofl
[00:50:50] <kobach> playing the pass the blame game now are we
[00:50:57] <xlefay> heh no blame ;)
[00:51:05] <xlefay> Simple saying you probably know if there was consensus :P
[00:51:18] <xlefay> (and shamelessly advertising my new channel)
[00:51:28] <kobach> lol
[00:51:51] <kobach> not a lot of consensus, LaminatorX objects
[00:52:02] <xlefay> against the poll stuff?
[00:52:12] <kobach> no against ##
[00:52:13] <xlefay> <mattie_p> I know there were discussions on poll systems, any consensus on what we could implement?
[00:52:17] <xlefay> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[00:52:22] <kobach> lol
[00:52:23] <xlefay> ## is a private channel, no point in objecting
[00:52:26] <mattie_p> xlefay I didn't see any consensus
[00:52:34] <kobach> ^
[00:52:41] <mattie_p> xlefay just that we shouldn't use the current system for voting on site name
[00:52:42] <xlefay> aah good to know
[00:53:08] <mattie_p> I might run an ask soylent article looking for FOSS polling systems we could implement.
[00:53:12] <mattie_p> :)
[00:53:39] <xlefay> best to do some research first or you're going to get humiliated
[00:53:56] <mattie_p> anyway, gotta run again, today and tomorrow I'll be mostly in and out
[00:54:06] <xlefay> ok ;-)
[00:54:08] <mattie_p> I'll be on solid for a few hours tonight, tho
[00:54:12] <xlefay> We'll keep you apprised of all things bacon.
[00:54:19] <mattie_p> keep the bacon coming
[00:54:21] <mattie_p> talk to you all later
[00:54:25] <prospectacle> https://apps.ubuntu.com
[00:54:25] <xlefay> alrighty take care
[00:54:38] * xlefay notes NC is going to love prospectacle.
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[01:02:52] <stderr> Argh... Where is janrinok when you need him?
[01:03:13] <stderr> (That's one of the reasons I hate queued articles...)
[01:08:09] <kobach> lol
[01:10:50] <paulej72> stderr: is there an issue with a story?
[01:11:36] <stderr> I'm just curious about the department for http://soylentnews.org
[01:20:01] <stderr> Maybe I'm just blind, but is there a way to set my preferred comment mode to "HTML", so I don't have to change it all the time?
[01:22:01] <paulej72> stderr: soylentnews.org/my/comments near the bottom
[01:22:46] <stderr> Ah, so I was blind...
[01:22:49] <stderr> Thanks.
[01:23:24] <mattie_p> stderr: the program purports to lower bandwidth for slash sites, optimized for mobile devices
[01:23:25] <stderr> "Saving stderr." Is that the sequel to "Saving Private Ryan"?
[01:23:50] <stderr> mattie_p: Yes?
[01:24:10] <mattie_p> regarding avantslash
[01:24:27] <stderr> "from the I-was-doing-OK-until-it-mentioned-perl dept."
[01:25:11] <stderr> Why not the savings dept.?
[01:26:19] <stderr> I don't get the perl hate... It wasn't needed at all.
[01:26:24] <mattie_p> I'd recommend you talk to janrinok about that.
[01:26:31] <stderr> [01:02:52] <stderr> Argh... Where is janrinok when you need him?
[01:26:32] <mattie_p> perl hate - especially since we live on perl here
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[01:26:56] <stderr> Exactly...
[01:27:30] <mattie_p> Do you have a seclevel on the main site?
[01:27:38] <mattie_p> I mean, anything above 1?
[01:27:57] <stderr> Maybe... Where can I check it?
[01:28:45] <mattie_p> just checked, you are a base user
[01:28:59] <mattie_p> how about on slashcott? any seclevel there?
[01:30:15] <stderr> No idea... You didn't tell me how to check it. :-)
[01:30:53] <mattie_p> it should show up on your user panel
[01:30:59] <mattie_p> if it is higher than 1
[01:31:15] <mattie_p> or, on slashcott, simple way to check is if you can see the admin tab across the top
[01:31:58] <stderr> In that case the answer is "no".
[01:32:12] <mattie_p> oh
[01:32:36] <mattie_p> I can't check your level on slashcott, as my seclevel there is 1
[01:32:59] <mattie_p> anyway, what I'd like to see is all staff members have at least editor priveleges on slashcott
[01:33:11] <mattie_p> so that way they can play with the interface before we turn them live
[01:33:13] <stderr> Damn, had I known slashcott would exist and be used for a long time, I would have used "stderr" as my login, not "stderr_dk"... :-/
[01:33:36] <mattie_p> prevents things like janrinok's "DO NOT RELEASE" story when we turn you loose on main
[01:34:04] <stderr> Sounds like a plan...
[01:34:21] <mattie_p> you remember that story, yes?
[01:35:03] <stderr> Yes.
[01:36:05] <stderr> Hmm, seems I have done anything at all on slashcott yet, not even a single comment... Maybe it would still be possible to change my username in the database without causing any problems.
[01:36:59] <paulej72> stderr: slashcott will go at some point and I am not sure if we can transport the db.
[01:37:20] <stderr> Ok.
[01:37:43] <paulej72> do you want admin access there
[01:37:54] <kobach> but i like perl :(
[01:38:04] <mattie_p> paulej72 please give him access there
[01:38:16] <mattie_p> paulej72 I think all staff needs to be familiar with backslash
[01:38:34] <kobach> no, just web staff
[01:38:46] <kobach> not irc semi-staff
[01:38:52] <kobach> .devoice kobach
[01:38:52] -!- mode/#staff [-v kobach] by BaconTree
[01:39:37] <paulej72> stderr: you should be an admin, don't break anything please.
[01:39:40] <mattie_p> well, anyone who requests one
[01:40:13] <mattie_p> paulej72 we need someone who has the time to introduce staff to the interface, I think
[01:40:26] <mattie_p> paulej72: I bet koback would be good at that
[01:40:35] <mattie_p> err, kobach
[01:40:41] <stderr> I can't promise I'll try, but I'll try to try...
[01:40:55] <paulej72> the editors know the edit stuff more than I do. I know the config pages daily well now.
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[01:42:50] <mattie_p> paulej72 that's how I broke the site while we were still in alpha, on that page
[01:43:18] <bytram> hi everyone!
[01:46:07] <mattie_p> bytram hey, welcome back!
[01:47:50] <mattie_p> bytram thanks for your detailed status report yesterday. I can't remember if I mentioned it at the time
[01:48:19] <mattie_p> honestly, great job on being the chair at the time, great job keeping your head cool and solving the problem rather than doing something
[01:49:42] <bytram> mattie_p: thanks!
[01:50:31] <bytram> mattie_p: The main takeaway for me is to delegeate BEFORE too much is happening.
[01:51:01] <mattie_p> dinner time, we're having buffalo chicken legs, gotta go
[01:51:51] <bytram> mattie_p: cya!
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[02:34:09] <mattie_p> paulej72 thanks for jumping in
[02:34:20] <paulej72> np
[02:35:45] <mattie_p> its like the time a few weeks ago when I didn't know something on IRC so I typed "/me casts summon Landon", then he popped in like 3 seconds later.
[02:36:56] * xlefay notes kobach is totally getting ignored
[02:37:23] <xlefay> kobach++ rofl
[02:37:34] <Landon> wat
[02:37:50] <Landon> bdang
[02:37:54] <Landon> my response time is 2 minutes now
[02:37:58] <Landon> getting old
[02:44:53] <paulej72> mattie_p: I think I have the Dev pages updated with our necessary resources.
[02:45:04] <mattie_p> oh, cool
[02:45:05] <xlefay> ok so... who's going to take this crown from me?
[02:45:10] <mattie_p> let me check it out
[02:45:31] <mattie_p> who's on for a couple of hours? I need to leave in 15 minutes to pick up my son
[02:45:41] <paulej72> I can take lead
[02:45:42] <mattie_p> Granted I'll be back shortly after that
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[02:45:52] <mattie_p> ok, paulej72 has it then
[02:46:04] <paulej72> I am commander now
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[02:46:15] <paulej72> .op
[02:46:15] -!- mode/#staff [+o paulej72] by BaconTree
[02:46:23] <xlefay> paulej72: do you hereby promise and vouch to protect the sacred land of Soylent?
[02:46:28] <xlefay> s/vouch/vow/
[02:46:32] <paulej72> si
[02:46:48] <paulej72> da
[02:46:57] <xlefay> Then take this crown, may it provide you with lots of of bacon.
[02:47:00] <xlefay> .voice kobach
[02:47:00] -!- mode/#staff [+v kobach] by BaconTree
[02:47:01] <kobach> ahh i was right earlier to use chanserv
[02:47:01] <xlefay> .deop
[02:47:01] -!- mode/#staff [-o xlefay] by BaconTree
[02:47:04] <paulej72> bacon++
[02:47:07] <kobach> .devoice kobach
[02:47:07] -!- mode/#staff [-v kobach] by BaconTree
[02:50:01] <mattie_p> paulej72 thanks for the update. Looks like a great start
[02:50:35] <paulej72> thanks mattie_p
[02:50:58] -!- mode/#staff [+v xlefay] by BaconTree
[02:51:11] <mattie_p> I especially like the little primer there, gives people a quick overview so they don't spam you with questions if they want to help
[02:51:38] <paulej72> That was my goal
[02:51:38] <xlefay> paulej72: topic. ;)
[02:52:01] <paulej72> ok working on that
[02:52:42] <xlefay> .topic To everyone that doesn't have a voice or operator status in this channel: your messages will be forwarded to the channel ops (if there are none, feel free to PM an active user in the channel). | paulej72 is in command.
[02:52:42] BaconTree changed topic of #staff to: To everyone that doesn't have a voice or operator status in this channel: your messages will be forwarded to the channel ops (if there are none, feel free to PM an active user in the channel). | paulej72 is in command.
[02:52:45] <paulej72> .topic To everyone that doesn't have a voice or operator status in this channel: your messages will be forwarded to the channel ops (if there are none, feel free to PM an active user in the channel). | paulej72 is in command. (this is not a joke!)
[02:52:52] <xlefay> you can't .topic?
[02:52:54] <xlefay> hmm
[02:52:55] <xlefay> .info
[02:52:58] <xlefay> .set topiclock off
[02:53:05] <xlefay> paulej72: next time, replace . with a /
[02:53:13] <xlefay> (try it)
[02:53:39] <xlefay> .set entrymsg o everyone that doesn't have a voice or operator status in this channel: your messages will be forwarded to the channel ops (if there are none, feel free to PM an active user in the channel). | This channel is logged: http://logs.sylnt.us
[02:53:41] paulej72 changed topic of #staff to: To everyone that doesn't have a voice or operator status in this channel: your messages will be forwarded to the channel ops (if there are none, feel free to PM an active user in the channel). | paulej72 is in command
[02:53:51] <xlefay> ok, you can just do /topic commander: paulej72
[02:54:01] <xlefay> now, instead of all the other crap. :) Should make things easier for everyone ^^
[02:54:25] <paulej72> OK
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[02:54:58] <paulej72> will that work in the other channel ;)
[02:55:04] <xlefay> no
[02:55:07] <mechanicjay> Good Evening!
[02:55:13] <xlefay> good evening mechanicjay
[02:55:26] <xlefay> paulej72: just announce it here should be sufficient. People can easily look at the chan op & topic here ;]
[02:55:29] <paulej72> hello mechanicjay are you enjoying the time off
[02:55:48] BaconTree changed topic of #staff to: Commander: paulej72 (don't bite him, he's got ascii art!)
[02:55:56] * xlefay whistles.
[02:56:09] <mechanicjay> A day or two unplugged does wonders
[02:57:07] paulej72 changed topic of #staff to: To everyone that doesn't have a voice or operator status in this channel: your messages will be forwarded to the channel ops (if there are none, feel free to PM an active user in the channel). | paulej72 is in command
[02:57:28] <xlefay> paulej72: scrap the first bits, just "commander: paulej72"
[02:58:02] <xlefay> The other stuff gets send to people when they join the channel ';-)
[02:58:20] <paulej72> ok
[02:58:55] <paulej72> commander: paulej72
[02:59:13] paulej72 changed topic of #staff to: commander: paulej72
[03:00:29] <mechanicjay> I'm actually going to be working on the mail server config tonight. Does anyone know who holds the ssl certs for soylentnews?
[03:00:49] <xlefay> B send me a zip, if you want it?
[03:01:02] <xlefay> Not sure if it's complete
[03:01:21] <xlefay> pm your email and I'll send it to ya
[03:01:48] <paulej72> mechanicjay if you are going to work on mail stuff I a request if you have time
[03:01:57] <xlefay> soylentnews.org.{cert,csr} + gandhi stuff
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[03:03:48] <stderr> xlefay: No .key?
[03:03:55] <mechanicjay> paulej72: sure, what do you need?
[03:04:24] <xlefay> sent
[03:04:40] <xlefay> stderr: .crt, .pem, .csr, .cert... that's all
[03:04:44] <xlefay> no .key
[03:05:00] <xlefay> (notes he always gets those csr, pem, crt's mixed up)
[03:06:10] <stderr> xlefay: It's probably just combined with the certificate in the .cert file.
[03:06:39] <xlefay> guess so. I should watch a movie and sleep *almost falls of his chair, tired*
[03:06:48] <xlefay> mechanicjay: ya got it?
[03:08:03] <mechanicjay> got it, looking at it now
[03:08:45] <xlefay> k, good luck. If that's not all you need, I can't be of much help.
[03:11:47] <mechanicjay> xlefay: yeah, that's actually pretty useless. It's a SAN cert for soylentnews.org and www.soylentnews.org. WTF didn't he just buy *.soylentnews.org ?
[03:12:11] <xlefay> I suggested that once... guess he didn't listen
[03:12:22] <mechanicjay> ..you weren't the only one.
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[03:12:24] <xlefay> So essentially, that cert is also useless for IRC. that's just great. ;)
[03:12:49] <xlefay> although, mechanicjay I think he got this one free with the domain or something like that?
[03:12:59] <mechanicjay> oh, interesting.
[03:13:11] <mechanicjay> wait
[03:13:29] <stderr> mechanicjay: Then he would have needed two certificates. *.soylentnews.org doesn't work for (just) soylentnews.org
[03:13:37] <stderr> Annoying as hell that part...
[03:14:22] <stderr> What's worse for me is that it doesn't work for foo.bar.soylentnews.org either...
[03:14:31] <mechanicjay> hmm, yeah. anyway thats the cert running on https://soylentnews.org.
[03:15:13] <mechanicjay> alright well, I'll do a self-signed cert for imap and smtp auth for now until we can get a *.soylentnews.org for some of these ancillary services.
[03:16:05] <stderr> mechanicjay: If you're doing mail stuff anyway, why not get on signed at cacert.org? All you need is a working email address for postmaster, webmaster, root, admin or ... one I forgot...
[03:16:20] <LaminatorX> Figure any of us using those will know to accept the self-cert when appropriate.
[03:16:21] <stderr> hostmaster? Could be....
[03:17:48] <stderr> I would prefer a CAcert signed certificate over a self-signed and it doesn't take that long to get one...
[03:17:57] <stderr> (As in: Less than a minute...)
[03:18:15] <mechanicjay> stderr: that's a much better idea. I will do that, thanks for reminding me of cacert.
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[03:19:29] <stderr> They do sign *.stuff too... (I got a couple of those the other day)
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[03:20:37] <stderr> But since they're free anyway, it might be better to get different certificates for the different services...
[03:24:08] <bytram> hi!
[03:24:50] <bytram> I just noticed that the only difference between "staff" and "stuff" is "u"
[03:25:55] <mechanicjay> also, was someone looking for a volunteers@ email alias?
[03:26:55] <mattie_p> mrcoolbp was, but maybe we'll wait on that
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[03:27:08] <kobach> who the fuck is space_man
[03:27:11] <mattie_p> each of the major groups has their own alias, right?
[03:27:12] <kobach> hes on #dev
[03:27:43] <xlefay> I think we should move those to info@...
[03:27:58] <xlefay> if you have that with a mailbox, you can just do info+volunteers@.. etc..
[03:28:46] <mattie_p> well, rather than put extra load on drcoolbp, I'm asking each group to update their wiki page, and produce story for the main page with their status
[03:28:47] <xlefay> actually, scrap that mailbox, just find a webbased system we can pipe info@ to and then we can use the webbased system (multiple teams) to handle info+<whatever> mails
[03:28:52] <mattie_p> and solicit volunteers directly.
[03:29:20] <Landon> xlefay: why the +?
[03:29:33] <mattie_p> so rather than drcoolbp try to query each potential volunteer on their skills and talents, have each person self-select their own group to help with
[03:29:43] <xlefay> so you can easily use a webbased system and filter based on email address + you can extend it without creating new aliases
[03:30:08] <xlefay> Landon: for instance, xlefay+whatever@... arrives at me too ;)
[03:30:40] <xlefay> mattie_p: same goes with the webbased system, eg.. irc+volunteers@.. we can all set that up with a neat little webbased system (still looking for a good one to make that proposal)
[03:30:53] <xlefay> + we can standardize and make things more easy for teams =)
[03:32:12] <xlefay> see what I'm saying mattie_p?
[03:32:48] <mattie_p> I see what you are saying, but I don't think that system is set up yet, is it?
[03:32:57] <xlefay> no, still making the proposal
[03:33:02] <mattie_p> ahh, yes
[03:33:42] <mattie_p> well, in the meantime, I'd like the group chiefs to update their own status and solicit for volunteers directly
[03:33:51] <xlefay> yea
[03:34:00] <mattie_p> rather than dump more into drcoolbp'
[03:34:03] <mattie_p> 's lap
[03:34:39] <mattie_p> I mean, he'll get emails like "Hey, my name is bada-bing, and I want to help!"
[03:35:18] <xlefay> Yeah. I'm just advising we already start using those <team>+<whatever>@sn just in advance
[03:35:19] <mattie_p> and then he'll have to email back with "OK, well, thanks for volunteering, badabing, what can you do ? I'll help point you in the right direction"
[03:35:44] <mattie_p> and then badabing will be" I can code! I am a coder!"
[03:35:49] <mattie_p> and so on
[03:36:45] <xlefay> yeah
[03:36:47] <mattie_p> xlefay I'm all for it. I just don't think volunteers should be one of the groups/cloaks
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[03:36:50] <mattie_p> that we use
[03:37:02] <xlefay> mattie_p: volunteers have their own group and own cloak
[03:37:16] <mattie_p> is anyone using it?
[03:37:22] <xlefay> It's a "Thank you" for their contributions
[03:38:01] <xlefay> martyb is.. guess he hasn't updated yet
[03:38:30] <mattie_p> well, so on IRC volunteers are people who haven't fully committed yet
[03:38:52] <mattie_p> the email account volunteers@was for people to drop their names in the hat as volunteers
[03:38:52] <xlefay> or just people who have done something awesome for us and deserve the recognition
[03:39:06] <mattie_p> at least per the initial request
[03:39:07] <stderr> mattie_p: And then we'll be like "But badabing, I have seen you search engine. It sucks..."
[03:40:04] <mattie_p> stderr: I've come to the conclusion they all suck, just in different ways. Google might help you find something the best, but then it tracks your thoughts, even away from the computer, for the next 7-10 days
[03:40:26] <stderr> And the previous 7-10 days...
[03:41:33] <mattie_p> back in a few
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[03:48:56] <bytram> xlefay: I'm a little confused: "martyb is.. guess he hasn't updated yet"...
[03:49:08] <bytram> xlefay: what do I need to update? and how do I do it?
[03:49:09] <xlefay> bytram: your volunteer cloak
[03:49:16] <xlefay> in what team are you in now?
[03:49:42] <bytram> xlefay: good question...
[03:50:00] <xlefay> What is it you do, exactly?
[03:50:07] <bytram> I've helped out in editorial, dev, and style.
[03:50:17] <xlefay> but you primarily do?
[03:50:41] <bytram> find bugs
[03:50:59] <xlefay> so you're pretty much helping dev and such. I'll put you in the dev team then
[03:51:07] -!- mode/#staff [-v prospectacle] by BaconTree
[03:51:14] <xlefay> .voice prospectacle
[03:51:14] -!- mode/#staff [+v prospectacle] by BaconTree
[03:51:25] <bytram> that sounds about right. thanks!
[03:51:44] <xlefay> bytram: /msg hostserv take Soylent/Staff/Developer/$account
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[03:52:37] <paulej72> I stole bytram officially today when I put him in Dev's whoswho
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[04:02:02] <mattie_p> paulej72 don't worry so much about it, people can be in multiple teams if they are effective in those roles
[04:03:21] <paulej72> it may not seem like it but I was joking, should have put a :) on it
[04:03:47] <mattie_p> I suspected as such, but everyone is so formal, sometimes
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[04:26:21] -!- mode/#staff [+v drcoolbp] by buttercake
[04:27:07] <drcoolbp> <dr. nick> HI EVERBODY!</dr. nick>
[04:28:19] <mattie_p> Hi, dr. nick
[04:30:04] <drcoolbp> hey there
[04:30:32] <drcoolbp> did I miss anything?
[04:31:13] <mattie_p> xlefay was in charge for a while.
[04:31:18] <mattie_p> that was interesting
[04:31:26] * xlefay broke everything.
[04:31:27] <drcoolbp> hahah
[04:31:35] <drcoolbp> I can imagine
[04:32:09] * drcoolbp 's computer is not cooperating right now
[04:34:40] <mattie_p> drcoolbp I want to not have the volunteer@SN email address for you
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[04:34:50] <drcoolbp> k
[04:34:56] <mattie_p> by asking each group to post their status in the wiki and post a story
[04:35:08] <mattie_p> I'm hoping volunteers self-select for the best group
[04:35:21] <drcoolbp> that would be ideal
[04:35:33] <mattie_p> this way we prevent something like:"Hey, my name is bada-bing, and I want to help!"
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[04:35:43] <mattie_p> mattie_p> and then he'll have to email back with "OK, well, thanks for volunteering, badabing, what can you do ? I'll help point you in the right direction"
[04:35:44] <mattie_p> <mattie_p> and then badabing will be" I can code! I am a coder!"
[04:36:01] <drcoolbp> yeah
[04:36:08] <mattie_p> so just fyi
[04:36:20] * mattie_p takes something off of drcoolbp's plate for once
[04:36:37] <drcoolbp> I'm guessing you have something else for me then?
[04:36:39] <drcoolbp> = )
[04:37:15] <mattie_p> strangely enough, not at this time
[04:37:38] <mattie_p> although if you could work with the other group leaders on their wiki that would be nice. But this isn't a command, just a request
[04:37:55] <drcoolbp> got it
[04:38:07] <drcoolbp> I was just about to check that anyway
[04:38:16] <mattie_p> paulej72 has been busting his tail on his and is making progress
[04:38:16] <paulej72> does someone want to take command
[04:38:27] <drcoolbp> I can, or mattie
[04:38:36] <drcoolbp> mattie_p is first in command anyway
[04:38:37] <mattie_p> drcoolbp how long are you on for?
[04:38:44] <drcoolbp> 2 hours tops
[04:38:51] <mattie_p> about the same as me then
[04:38:57] <mattie_p> I'm doing homework though
[04:39:04] * drcoolbp raises hand
[04:39:06] <mattie_p> go ahead, ben
[04:39:13] <drcoolbp> .op
[04:39:13] -!- mode/#staff [+o drcoolbp] by buttercake
[04:39:24] <mattie_p> besides, we all need to take turns
[04:39:27] <paulej72> .deop
[04:39:27] -!- mode/#staff [-o paulej72] by buttercake
[04:39:32] <xlefay> .topic commander: drcoolbp (be careful, don't poke the bear)
[04:39:32] buttercake changed topic of #staff to: commander: drcoolbp (be careful, don't poke the bear)
[04:39:32] drcoolbp is now known as Captain_coolbp
[04:39:34] * xlefay whistles.
[04:39:45] <Captain_coolbp> haha
[04:39:51] <Captain_coolbp> damn straigh
[04:39:51] * mattie_p pokes a bear.
[04:39:57] <Captain_coolbp> ouch
[04:40:03] <Captain_coolbp> I'm a sensitive bear
[04:40:23] * bytram throws rock at hornet's nest
[04:40:29] * bytram has baad aim
[04:40:34] * Captain_coolbp suggests running anyway
[04:40:54] <paulej72> Thanks Captain_coolbp for taking over. All has been quite on my watch
[04:40:56] * bytram wishes the captain has smooth sailing during his shift
[04:41:24] <Captain_coolbp> my pleasure, have a nice rest
[04:41:37] * Captain_coolbp tips hat towards bytram
[04:41:57] <bytram> hey all.... FYI, I have plans for the weekend and doubt that I'll be able to get here much, if at all.
[04:42:16] * bytram salutes the cap'n
[04:42:24] <Captain_coolbp> thanks for the heads up
[04:42:55] <kobach> oh, things are actually still hapepning in this channel
[04:42:55] <bytram> and with that, it is time for some zzzzzzzzzzs. have fun, everybody!!
[04:42:59] <kobach> cya marty
[04:43:15] <Captain_coolbp> goodnight
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[04:44:12] <Captain_coolbp> mattie_p any thoughts on my staff/vs volunteers thing?
[04:44:40] <mattie_p> I honestly didn't get a chance to review. we'll have to cross-reference with NCommander's email as well
[04:44:57] <Captain_coolbp> I would like to have a system for when someone becomes staff that gives them privs, and direct them to a welcome packet (irc commands, ICS, etc.)
[04:46:56] <Captain_coolbp> paulej72: did you consider NCommander's request to help herd Dev volunteers?
[04:47:48] <Captain_coolbp> mattie_p: we will have to remove references to my email as a volunteer contact, I'll add that to my list so we can avoid the catch-all scenario you mentioned
[04:47:59] <paulej72> YEs I am the head cat herder for dev. I have been putting up docs on the Wiki to get the up and running
[04:48:57] <mattie_p> paulej72: essentially, you are head of dev. The main man just happens to work with your group a lot.
[04:49:04] <Captain_coolbp> I will forward an email to you
[04:49:06] <mattie_p> !todo staff welcome packet
[04:49:42] <mattie_p> honestly, in my role as deputy I think I am staff cat-herder. so that should be mine
[04:50:50] <Captain_coolbp> mattie_p: xlefay said he'd help with an IRC primer if we decide to keep it
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[04:51:47] <mattie_p> one way or another we're keeping IRC, I suspect. RT communications is essential and there is hate upon voice/video. question is freenode or here, but I don't think we're dumping IRC
[04:52:12] <Captain_coolbp> agreed
[04:52:34] <Captain_coolbp> interesting comments about how it was taking away from the site though
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[04:53:30] <LaminatorX> Really, the site's brain is this channel.
[04:53:36] <Captain_coolbp> I just got a suggestion to: "change site logo on Friday 3/14 in celebration of pi day"
[04:54:06] <Captain_coolbp> that might be difficult, but maybe we could run some kind of story
[04:54:19] <Captain_coolbp> LaminatorX: thoughts?
[04:54:22] <paulej72> yea that is not happening
[04:54:34] <Captain_coolbp> I didnt' think so
[04:54:58] <LaminatorX> We could put up a story that was a whole lot or digits of pi.
[04:55:11] <paulej72> I do not have all of the rights needed to do this or to know where everything is on the production site.
[04:55:17] <mattie_p> SoylentNews is 3.14 people?
[04:55:53] <Captain_coolbp> Paulej72: LaminatorX:are you aware of the "don’t take it personally" broken link?
[04:56:03] <Captain_coolbp> after submitting a story
[04:56:05] <mattie_p> I think it is kind of like google doodles, not a bad idea, but maybe too soon.
[04:56:24] <kobach> just put up a story full of pi
[04:56:38] <kobach> pi to 1-200 digits should work
[04:56:41] <Captain_coolbp> will there be pi? I love pi....
[04:56:45] <kobach> bacon pi
[04:56:48] <kobach> 3.1pork
[04:57:10] <paulej72> Captain_coolbp: no where is this broken link?
[04:57:29] <Captain_coolbp> I can forward it to you, another email (there's a screen shot)
[04:58:08] <LaminatorX> No, tell me of this link.
[04:58:41] <Captain_coolbp> LaminatorX: I'll forward to you as you may need to review/create the html file it's trying to link to
[04:59:01] <Captain_coolbp> and by you I mean someone on your team
[04:59:29] <Captain_coolbp> also LaminatorX: have you seen this: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[05:00:05] <Captain_coolbp> check your email gentlemen
[05:00:32] <mattie_p> Captain, I believe mrgirlpluggedout produced that
[05:00:51] <Captain_coolbp> yes
[05:01:01] <Captain_coolbp> I'd like to refine it and eventually ratify it
[05:01:17] <Captain_coolbp> maybe get some community feedback
[05:01:24] * Captain_coolbp shrugs
[05:02:52] <kobach> 12.22:30:08 < nerdbot> kobach, Sirfinkus, bryn-IRCredible, and mattie_p have begun a quest, for the good of the realm. Quest to end in 0 days, 13:05:18.
[05:02:53] <mattie_p> LaminatorX should consider adding it to his final team wiki page
[05:02:59] <Captain_coolbp> LaminatorX It looks like it's linked to what that "Story Style" document is (not same but similar), not sure what the original file looks like, but from what I get from the email it is a page explaining why stories get accepted or not
[05:03:21] <Captain_coolbp> mattie_p I actually linked to it on the Editors team page
[05:03:35] <mattie_p> look at you
[05:03:38] <Captain_coolbp> It is intentionally incomplete from what I can tell
[05:03:49] <mattie_p> I should give you a promotion
[05:03:51] <Captain_coolbp> as in he wanted more input/feedback
[05:04:21] <LaminatorX> mrgirlwhowaspluggedin and Janrinok wwrote that, mostly the former.
[05:04:36] <LaminatorX> It came out of our Editors meeting. :)
[05:04:54] <Captain_coolbp> awesome, as a team having that complete and ratified might do wonders
[05:05:13] <Captain_coolbp> mattie_p: = )
[05:05:51] <mattie_p> Army or Navy ranks?
[05:06:03] <Captain_coolbp> you're the expert
[05:06:30] <mattie_p> if army, you'd become Major. If Navy, then admiral. your preference tho
[05:06:39] Captain_coolbp is now known as Admiral_coolbp
[05:06:54] * Admiral_coolbp feels a sense of accomplishment and honor
[05:07:05] <mattie_p> just don't ask me about air force enlisted ranks, those get funky
[05:07:21] <Admiral_coolbp> it also works like this:
[05:07:22] <Admiral_coolbp> it also works like this:
[05:07:23] * Admiral_coolbp feels a sense of accomplishment and honor
[05:07:27] Admiral_coolbp is now known as dmiral_coolbp
[05:07:29] <dmiral_coolbp> oops
[05:07:30] <dmiral_coolbp> lol
[05:07:41] <dmiral_coolbp> nah
[05:07:45] dmiral_coolbp is now known as Admiral_coolbp
[05:07:58] <LaminatorX> You could really drop the d too.
[05:08:07] <LaminatorX> @miral
[05:08:21] <Admiral_coolbp> okay sorry, enough screwing around for me
[05:08:23] <Admiral_coolbp> back to work
[05:08:50] <paulej72> OK folks, I need to go to bed now. See you all tomorrow.
[05:08:57] <Admiral_coolbp> goodnight paulej72
[05:09:17] <paulej72> later all
[05:09:24] <Admiral_coolbp> paulej72
[05:09:32] <Admiral_coolbp> you'll log that bug for me?
[05:09:32] <paulej72> yes
[05:09:39] <Admiral_coolbp> thank you!
[05:09:42] <Admiral_coolbp> lol
[05:09:46] <Admiral_coolbp> spoke to soon...
[05:09:47] <Admiral_coolbp> haha
[05:09:56] <Admiral_coolbp> well now you have to I guess...
[05:11:22] <paulej72> Admiral_coolbp: I just check my email and I do not see the one from you
[05:11:48] <Admiral_coolbp> I'll email your personal just in case
[05:11:59] <Admiral_coolbp> get some rest
[05:12:31] <paulej72> ok
[05:12:38] <Admiral_coolbp> goodnight
[05:13:03] <Admiral_coolbp> LaminatorX, could you think of what that page might look like?
[05:13:42] <mechanicjay> sorry, @soylentnews emails might be a bit delayed was having a postfix tls problem. Better now
[05:14:04] <Admiral_coolbp> hey thanks mechanicjay
[05:14:49] <Admiral_coolbp> mechanicjay, mattie_p doesn't want to have to volunteer@soylent address created (in case I asked you for that already)
[05:15:00] <Admiral_coolbp> so disregard
[05:15:01] * mattie_p nods
[05:15:39] <mattie_p> I think it would be redundant, because we're going to ask volunteers to go directly to the group they are interested in
[05:15:44] <mechanicjay> yep, got that message
[05:15:49] <Admiral_coolbp> thank you
[05:16:25] <Admiral_coolbp> LaminatorX: still around?
[05:18:40] <LaminatorX> up.
[05:18:52] <Admiral_coolbp> could you think of what that page might look like?
[05:18:56] <LaminatorX> I'm on and out
[05:19:25] <LaminatorX> What page?
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[05:20:00] <Admiral_coolbp> I forwarded you the email, basically it was a broken link to a page explaining why stories are not (or are) accepted
[05:20:15] <Admiral_coolbp> there may be a slash default somewhere, but we might just want to write our own
[05:20:24] <Admiral_coolbp> seems your team should do that
[05:20:33] <LaminatorX> Yes, we should.
[05:20:39] <Admiral_coolbp> maybe throw it on your to do list for later so it stays in mind?
[05:20:57] <Admiral_coolbp> at least until paulej72 can figure out what's going on with the broken link
[05:20:57] <LaminatorX> !todo Submission guideline
[05:21:06] <Admiral_coolbp> thanks!
[05:21:12] <LaminatorX> Sure.
[05:21:53] <Admiral_coolbp> and the pi day story, any ideas for that?
[05:22:14] <LaminatorX> (Truthfully, we accept almost everything at he moment. Submissions are about keepng pace with posting)
[05:22:23] <paulej72> Admiral_coolbp: bug is posted, but the link goes to the faq, which is severely broken and has none of its subpages. that link is supposed to go here /faq/editorial.shtml#ed200
[05:22:51] <Admiral_coolbp> let me see if I can find that on github
[05:22:52] <LaminatorX> That faq is 1 on my todo, I believe.
[05:23:08] <paulej72> Admiral_coolbp: not in github MIA
[05:23:13] <Admiral_coolbp> ah
[05:23:23] <Admiral_coolbp> so we have to create from scratch as I suspected
[05:23:27] <paulej72> along with the D2 JS scripts
[05:23:59] <paulej72> Ok I am outa here
[05:24:08] <Admiral_coolbp> okay, g'night sir!
[05:24:23] <paulej72> good night all
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[05:24:29] <Admiral_coolbp> alright, LaminatorX, once you create those two pages, forward them to me or paulej72 and we'll get them up
[05:24:44] <LaminatorX> Gotcha.
[05:24:47] <Admiral_coolbp> nice
[05:25:55] <Admiral_coolbp> if you can come up with a pi day story that would be cool, even if it is just a link to http://www.piday.org
[05:26:10] <Admiral_coolbp> not to crush you under to do list items
[05:27:12] <Admiral_coolbp> you could delegate that one for sure
[05:28:34] <Admiral_coolbp> LaminatorX: ^^^^^
[05:28:55] <LaminatorX> I think a whole bunch of digits of pi linkin to piday . org would do it.
[05:29:12] <Admiral_coolbp> up to you
[05:29:19] <Admiral_coolbp> it's in your hands now
[05:29:48] <LaminatorX> I'll ask for clever ideas, and go with digits if none are forthcoming.
[05:30:08] <LaminatorX> !todo pi day
[05:30:52] <Admiral_coolbp> haah
[05:31:20] <Admiral_coolbp> ncommander you don't have voice privs here
[05:31:28] <Admiral_coolbp> <NCommander> bot fail
[05:31:50] <Admiral_coolbp> .voice NCommander
[05:31:50] -!- mode/#staff [+v NCommander] by buttercake
[05:31:54] <Admiral_coolbp> = )
[05:31:54] <NCommander> .op
[05:31:59] <Admiral_coolbp> hehehe
[05:31:59] <NCommander> Seems I can't op
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[05:32:05] <Admiral_coolbp> .op NCommander
[05:32:05] -!- mode/#staff [+o NCommander] by buttercake
[05:32:07] <NCommander> .op ncommander
[05:32:07] -!- mode/#staff [+o NCommander] by buttercake
[05:32:16] <kobach> rofl
[05:32:21] <Admiral_coolbp> beat yah to it...
[05:32:22] <xlefay> you weren't signed in till just now ;]
[05:32:24] <xlefay> also idlergp!
[05:32:31] <Admiral_coolbp> rgp?
[05:32:38] <Admiral_coolbp> I love red/green/blue
[05:32:41] <xlefay> s/rgp/rpg/
[05:32:42] <Admiral_coolbp> now I can idle there?
[05:32:48] <Admiral_coolbp> oh =(
[05:32:54] <Admiral_coolbp> fine then
[05:33:02] <kobach> XLEFAY
[05:33:06] <kobach> NO
[05:33:09] <xlefay> .. leaving.
[05:33:25] <Admiral_coolbp> Ncommander, would you like to take the bridge? or are you still on vacation (also: how's singapore?)
[05:34:11] * Admiral_coolbp notes the last time NCommander had him do something he shut the entire site down for 2 hours
[05:34:25] * xlefay notes he doesn't feel comfortable with that
[05:34:35] <NCommander> Admiral_coolbp, told you not to cross the streams damn it
[05:34:35] <kobach> rofl
[05:34:45] <kobach> owned, you crossed the streams when told not to
[05:34:52] <kobach> slacker
[05:34:53] <Admiral_coolbp> ah yes I knew I forgot an important detail
[05:34:54] <NCommander> I'm feeling considerly more human
[05:35:02] <Admiral_coolbp> excellent
[05:35:02] <xlefay> In Admiral_coolbp's defense, there was bacon on the other side.
[05:35:05] <kobach> dont feel bad, egon recently crossed the streams IRL
[05:35:14] <Admiral_coolbp> ?
[05:35:17] * NCommander notes nothing beats international train trips, and heading to a new country for perspective
[05:35:28] <Admiral_coolbp> so how's singapore?
[05:35:34] <kobach> harold ramis died a couple weeks ago
[05:35:39] <Admiral_coolbp> oh no!
[05:35:43] <kobach> lol
[05:35:45] <kobach> he crossed the streams
[05:35:48] <NCommander> Admiral_coolbp, different
[05:35:55] <Landon> NCommander: trains++
[05:35:55] <Admiral_coolbp> kobach: that'll do it
[05:36:02] <Admiral_coolbp> NCommander: how so?
[05:36:03] <kobach> yea, he was the first one to warn them about it too
[05:36:08] <NCommander> Landon, I once spent a week just riding trains across eastern Europe
[05:36:17] <Admiral_coolbp> cool
[05:36:21] <NCommander> Started in Slovina, and then from there made my way across the Balkins
[05:36:22] <kobach> but seriously, he died of some sort of semi-rare disease
[05:36:32] <Admiral_coolbp> ah, that's not as funny
[05:36:39] <xlefay> hmm move it outta this chan? :)
[05:36:44] <Landon> NCommander: I don't have any experience with trains outside of the US, but had a nice relaxing time on amtrak through the northeast last fall
[05:36:51] <Admiral_coolbp> oh yeah sorry xlefay
[05:37:08] <kobach> NCommander: ive always wanted to take a train from glasgow to vladivostok
[05:37:13] <Landon> and by relaxing I mean "damnit, the train is going to be late again"
[05:37:16] <Admiral_coolbp> Guys: this channel is for staff discussion, suggest moving to Soylent or somewhere else
[05:37:25] <xlefay> or ## ... *shameless*
[05:37:28] <kobach> yea Landon quit talking about trains
[05:37:33] <Landon> choo choo
[05:37:35] <kobach> lol
[05:37:44] <xlefay> dang should have made it #choochoo
[05:38:19] <Admiral_coolbp> xlefay: we were actually quite productive here in the last hour
[05:38:35] <xlefay> I know :) kudos
[05:38:38] <Admiral_coolbp> thanks
[05:39:25] <Admiral_coolbp> NCommander: when will you be back?
[05:42:35] <NCommander> kobach, I've gone Dubin to Paris by sea/rail
[05:42:53] * Admiral_coolbp is a little jealous of NCommander
[05:43:00] <Admiral_coolbp> I want to see the world
[05:43:01] <NCommander> Landon, and Amtrak is awesome if you're not in a rush
[05:43:05] <NCommander> I've done New York -> Chicago
[05:43:08] <NCommander> and Miami -> New York
[05:43:18] <NCommander> As well as the Acela
[05:43:34] <NCommander> Admiral_coolbp, pack a bag, sell everything you own, and hit the open road
[05:43:42] * Admiral_coolbp is married
[05:43:49] <Admiral_coolbp> with cats
[05:43:55] <Admiral_coolbp> = )
[05:44:27] <Admiral_coolbp> NCommander: when will you be back?
[05:44:35] <Admiral_coolbp> just curious
[05:44:46] <NCommander> Admiral_coolbp, I'll be back in the states on Sunday
[05:45:08] <Admiral_coolbp> cool
[05:45:22] <Admiral_coolbp> we'll hold the fort down until then
[05:45:38] <Admiral_coolbp> unless I have to migrate any more linode servers....
[05:46:47] <NCommander> Wait, what?
[05:46:48] <NCommander> "Thank you for contacting us! I have transferred sn100dfw-svc to this account as requested. Your monthly invoices will be $165.00, and you will receive a $276.00 invoice for this Linode (and the Backup Service) on March 1, 2015. Let us know if we can further assist you!"
[05:46:55] <LaminatorX> StL to New Orleans. :)
[05:47:12] <Admiral_coolbp> NCommander WTF???
[05:47:22] <kobach> LaminatorX: do NOT, EVER, go the other way
[05:47:28] <NCommander> I'm asking for clarification
[05:47:30] <Admiral_coolbp> is that POSITIVE or NEGATIVE?
[05:47:51] <kobach> illinois is boring enough driving, on the train you have nothing to do but stare at corn, or pay attention to what you brough
[05:48:18] <NCommander> Admiral_coolbp, I don't know
[05:48:23] <Admiral_coolbp> kobach: LaminatorX: please take it somewhere else
[05:48:32] <kobach> i tried, train stuff kept happening in here
[05:48:32] <NCommander> kobach, I dunno, I like corn. I like seeing which fields are growing which corn for my project of mapping all the corn in the world
[05:48:46] <LaminatorX> \The Texas Eagle and River Runner are actually much prettier rides than the City of New Orleans.
[05:48:47] <Admiral_coolbp> NCommander: I was verry clear with them and they were clear about giving you CREDIT
[05:48:50] <Admiral_coolbp> kobach: LaminatorX: please take it somewhere else
[05:48:59] <kobach> 12.23:48:32 <+kobach> i tried, train stuff kept happening in here
[05:49:00] <NCommander> Admiral_coolbp, yeah well, seems this wasn't. I just fired a question
[05:49:17] <Admiral_coolbp> let me know cause I will call them up
[05:49:29] <NCommander> Admiral_coolbp, will do
[05:49:32] <Admiral_coolbp> k
[05:49:55] <Admiral_coolbp> you know how to find me
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[05:50:21] <Admiral_coolbp> NCommander: did you see mattie_p's suggestion regarding passwords ?
[05:50:35] <NCommander> no
[05:50:59] <Admiral_coolbp> the idea was that he could have all the passwords, but not access
[05:51:03] <mattie_p> central respository, two-person authentication by non-users
[05:51:08] <Admiral_coolbp> yeah that
[05:51:23] <mattie_p> I keep a true-crypt, someone else has the key, or something
[05:51:28] <NCommander> AH
[05:51:32] <NCommander> Ok, it was a credit
[05:51:32] <mattie_p> or vice versa
[05:51:33] <NCommander> $0.00 in outstanding invoices
[05:51:33] <NCommander> $535.40 (credit)
[05:51:37] <NCommander> linode++
[05:51:38] <Admiral_coolbp> nice
[05:51:43] <mattie_p> bonus
[05:51:55] <mattie_p> sorry, still doing homework
[05:52:14] <Admiral_coolbp> NCommander: consider the passwords thing, it would have avoided some frustration this week
[05:52:17] <mattie_p> but the fact is, we could have solved the site outage earlier if someone had access to the linode
[05:52:22] <NCommander> Admiral_coolbp, yeah, how do you recommend dooing it?
[05:52:30] * NCommander notes this is still we should have had in place weeks ago :-/
[05:52:30] <Admiral_coolbp> as mattie suggested
[05:52:37] <NCommander> I can't easily use truecrypt
[05:52:42] <Admiral_coolbp> okay
[05:52:44] <mattie_p> you don't need it
[05:52:54] <Admiral_coolbp> well he has most of the passwords
[05:53:02] <mattie_p> NCommander, what we need is to be able to get into the boxes
[05:53:07] <mattie_p> alternate solutions may work
[05:53:24] <Admiral_coolbp> NCommander: you know the idea, any suggestions?
[05:53:37] <mattie_p> if I keep the encryption keys and others keep the file, we have two-person integrity in an emergency but can fix things
[05:53:46] <mattie_p> then we change passwords and reset the system
[05:54:03] <Admiral_coolbp> I'm Commander right now, and this is an incident in my eyes (albeit not *currently* a pressing one)
[05:54:15] <NCommander> :-P
[05:54:18] <Admiral_coolbp> hehee
[05:54:44] <mattie_p> NCommander I've been forcing the staff to cycle through, we try to have someone in command all the time
[05:55:01] <Admiral_coolbp> I'd suggest we find a solution to this ASAP
[05:55:16] <Admiral_coolbp> doesn't have to be right now
[05:55:18] <mattie_p> martyb == bytram did an excellent job with the crisis on his watch
[05:55:27] * Admiral_coolbp nods
[05:56:48] <Admiral_coolbp> mattie_p something we should make clear though regarding commanders is qualifications
[05:57:03] <Admiral_coolbp> if an incident arises and someone else is more qualified
[05:57:09] <mattie_p> if an incident pops up they are not qualified to handle, recuse yourself
[05:57:14] <Admiral_coolbp> they need to step up and request command
[05:57:21] <mattie_p> I think NCommander demonstrated that by his own actions on Monday
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[05:57:50] <mattie_p> umm, ok?
[05:58:16] <NCommander> our IC died
[05:58:17] <NCommander> Shit
[05:58:20] <mattie_p> NCommander I'm finishing up some homework as quick as possible
[05:58:22] * NCommander gets the paddles
[05:58:27] <NCommander> CLEAR!
[05:58:34] * mattie_p gets AED
[05:58:48] <mattie_p> I'm on for another hour before bed
[05:58:59] <mattie_p> we're going to defer vote on name, despite having good ones
[05:59:11] <mattie_p> test poll today with the IRC indicates probable vote-stuffing
[05:59:19] <NCommander> Yeah, figured as much
[05:59:24] <NCommander> We need a better polling system
[05:59:28] <mattie_p> yup
[05:59:41] * NCommander has that on his things to delgate TODO list
[05:59:42] <mattie_p> at least for members only, one vote per person
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[05:59:58] <mattie_p> I've asked paulej72 to look into possible solutions we can import
[06:00:01] <NCommander> I was going to limit it a bit more, based on karma, and make it so karma ages away over time.
[06:00:28] <mattie_p> anyway, for discussion later, I think
[06:00:37] <mattie_p> you see Matt_'s journal?
[06:00:42] <mattie_p> take a look at it
[06:00:45] <NCommander> link?
[06:01:02] <mattie_p> also, http://soylentnews.org
[06:01:23] <NCommander> "joy"
[06:01:33] <matt_> let me know if anything is glaringly weird or seems off...
[06:01:56] <mattie_p> matt_ as per the lego movie, "Everything is Awesome"
[06:02:03] <matt_> was meant to have a soothing effect...
[06:02:09] <NCommander> I think the biggest problem is that we have no clear future
[06:02:11] * NCommander sighs
[06:02:11] <mattie_p> ... when you're part of the team
[06:02:16] <NCommander> Seems I can't take a braek
[06:02:17] <matt_> everyone seems to like it except poutine...
[06:02:25] <mattie_p> poutine--
[06:02:42] * NCommander sees himself a lot like Emmit
[06:02:42] <mattie_p> he's a troll, but he's honestly helpful sometimes
[06:03:15] <matt_> yeah he seems to have a lot of fun here :)
[06:03:18] <mattie_p> NCommander, how long do we have you for? I need to wrap this up in about 30 minutes, then I can chat maybe another hour beyond that
[06:03:32] <NCommander> I can stick around if need be, I was kinda thinking about going out though
[06:04:33] <mattie_p> everything is under control
[06:04:51] <mattie_p> I've asked the team to stop making big changes and focus on documenting where we are at
[06:05:01] baconbutter is now known as Kif
[06:05:14] <mattie_p> kinda wanted to discuss that with you if you wanted to clarify my guidance
[06:05:21] <NCommander> mattie_p, alright
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[06:05:22] -!- mode/#staff [+v mrcoolbp] by buttercake
[06:05:24] <mrcoolbp> never a good time for your laptop battery to die eh?
[06:05:31] <mrcoolbp> .op
[06:05:31] -!- mode/#staff [+o mrcoolbp] by buttercake
[06:05:44] mrcoolbp is now known as Admiral_coolbp
[06:05:46] * NCommander is on an outlet right now
[06:05:47] <mattie_p> anyway, let me finish what I got for homework and get back in 20 minutes or so
[06:05:52] <Admiral_coolbp> k
[06:06:03] <mattie_p> too easy for SN to distract me
[06:06:11] <Admiral_coolbp> NCommander: any ideas on this issue?
[06:06:37] <NCommander> Admiral_coolbp, password one?
[06:06:40] <Admiral_coolbp> yes
[06:07:16] <Admiral_coolbp> the linode privs have been restored to robin and paule by now I assume?
[06:07:37] <NCommander> Admiral_coolbp, I think so
[06:07:50] <NCommander> Admiral_coolbp, honestly, I rather just create each person an account so they can access it
[06:07:58] <Admiral_coolbp> not me
[06:08:04] <NCommander> either shell accounts or linode account directly
[06:08:42] * NCommander is currrently trying to get the last bit of his travel arrangements settled
[06:09:13] <Admiral_coolbp> if you are creating lots of accounts be judicious with privs
[06:09:34] <Admiral_coolbp> not sure how much granularity there is but you get what I'm saying
[06:09:42] <Landon> mattie_p: I ended up dropping one class, hopefully more time to let SN distract me :)
[06:10:21] <mattie_p> I'm only taking one class. I don't really want to drop it
[06:10:26] <Admiral_coolbp> Landon: you're karma voting system was put to the test yesterday
[06:10:39] <Landon> oh?
[06:10:43] <Admiral_coolbp> oh yeah
[06:10:44] <Landon> how do
[06:10:58] <Admiral_coolbp> we used it to create a short-list for site names
[06:11:09] <Admiral_coolbp> we had like 13 and narrowed to 7
[06:11:20] <Landon> nice :)
[06:11:29] <Admiral_coolbp> it was a little hectic though
[06:11:49] <Admiral_coolbp> 5 screens worth of +1 -1 etc
[06:12:07] <NCommander> Admiral_coolbp, there's a fair bit.. I can block accounts from billing stuff, accessing console, etc
[06:12:09] <NCommander> Very very modular
[06:12:40] <Admiral_coolbp> NCommander: that's a really good start, consider the "rest" of the passwords too, not just linode
[06:13:42] <Admiral_coolbp> I think it's a good idea, but I want to be cautious too
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[06:14:13] <Admiral_coolbp> let us know if you come up with anything, mattie will keep it in mind as well I'm sure
[06:14:49] <NCommander> Admiral_coolbp, once we get the LDAP resetup, we can just create everyone a shella ccount, then see who should be able to sudo to root
[06:15:04] <Admiral_coolbp> cool, who is working on that?
[06:17:37] <NCommander> Admiral_coolbp, I volunteered mechanicjay
[06:17:38] <NCommander> :-)
[06:17:54] <NCommander> zford did it originally, but left no documentation so I disabled it when I had to delete his account
[06:18:08] * Admiral_coolbp nods
[06:18:40] <Admiral_coolbp> we are starting to get more volunteers by the way
[06:18:44] <Admiral_coolbp> slowly
[06:18:47] <Admiral_coolbp> but surely
[06:18:53] <Admiral_coolbp> hopefully
[06:19:05] * Admiral_coolbp notes that's a lot of "ly"s
[06:21:01] * NCommander cites Admiral_coolbp for adverb abuse
[06:21:24] * Admiral_coolbp accepts the citation
[06:22:48] <mattie_p> by the way, who came up with the idea to re-name with cmdr_ or whatever? they need to get a citation as well, but a good citation
[06:23:06] <Admiral_coolbp> I think it was paulej72, but I'm not sure
[06:23:30] <Admiral_coolbp> He want with Commander, audioguy went with Commadore
[06:23:39] <Admiral_coolbp> I followed suit with Captain
[06:23:51] <Admiral_coolbp> you know the rest
[06:24:06] <NCommander> But I am a commander ;.;
[06:24:20] <mattie_p> yes, so when you take over, you need to be Commander_NCommander
[06:24:20] <NCommander> I don't want to be NAdminral, it doesn't sound as cool
[06:24:24] <mattie_p> its the law
[06:24:34] * NCommander puts sunglasses on
[06:24:38] <NCommander> No, I'm the News Commander
[06:24:52] <mattie_p> Commander News Commander?
[06:25:02] * NCommander whacks mattie_p
[06:25:04] <mattie_p> Commander Commander?
[06:25:09] <mattie_p> Roger roger!
[06:25:10] <NCommander> mattie_p, don't make me make an NCO out of you
[06:25:21] <Admiral_coolbp> You have clearance Clarence
[06:25:27] <NCommander> Admiral_coolbp, Roger Roger
[06:25:30] <mattie_p> NCOs have all the real authority anyway
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[06:25:56] <Admiral_coolbp> NCommander there has been a lot of lively discussion of NFPs BTW
[06:25:59] <NCommander> mattie_p, not in the air force
[06:26:12] <NCommander> Admiral_coolbp, if we're an NFP, we can't sell out
[06:26:16] <NCommander> At least, not easily
[06:26:18] * Admiral_coolbp wanted to use some acronyms too
[06:26:20] <mattie_p> fuck the air force anyway.
[06:26:31] <NCommander> mattie_p, I smell interserve rivalry
[06:26:42] <mattie_p> possibly. I might be biased
[06:26:45] * NCommander strongly debated joining the Coast Guar for a long time
[06:28:27] <mattie_p> ok, almost done with homework. Focus, mattie, focus
[06:28:33] <mattie_p> stop IRC
[06:28:39] <Admiral_coolbp> good luck with that
[06:28:55] * Admiral_coolbp has to relive himself of command soon...
[06:29:37] <Admiral_coolbp> audioguy: are you around?
[06:31:21] <Admiral_coolbp> mechanicjay: are you around?
[06:31:48] * Admiral_coolbp is *considering* asking xlefay....
[06:33:03] <Admiral_coolbp> NCommander: regarding NFPs there are things to consider (you mentioned geography already)
[06:33:16] <NCommander> Admiral_coolbp, a lot of things
[06:33:33] <Admiral_coolbp> there was a story today and discussion in comments
[06:33:54] <Admiral_coolbp> NCommander: ^^
[06:36:33] <NCommander> I'll look in a bit
[06:36:42] * NCommander is booking a return ticket to Hong Kong
[06:36:54] <NCommander> Flying out Saturday, layover in Malina, then to Hong Kong
[06:37:00] <NCommander> 12h layover, then HELLO US
[06:37:01] <Admiral_coolbp> aye
[06:45:06] <NCommander> I'm going to get off that damn plane and want to off myself
[06:45:34] <Admiral_coolbp> yeah, try to avoid that sir.
[06:53:10] <Admiral_coolbp> okay seriously: I need to pass the torch, is any staff around?
[06:53:32] <mechanicjay> Okay an I need a guinea pig
[06:53:39] <Admiral_coolbp> lol
[06:53:52] <Admiral_coolbp> mechanicjay you need a guenea pig?
[06:54:04] <Admiral_coolbp> whatcha got?
[06:54:26] <mechanicjay> initial cut at the soylent mailconfig is done - I need to inflict it on someone so they can tell me how it sucks ;)
[06:54:33] <Admiral_coolbp> go
[06:54:57] <mechanicjay> We have acceess via imap, or webmail (squirelmail). Via squirelmain you can manage your forwards and change your password
[06:55:14] * Admiral_coolbp can throw imap on his iphone
[06:55:15] <mechanicjay> imap and smtp are authenticated and SSL enabled.
[06:55:45] <Admiral_coolbp> cool
[06:56:09] <NCommander> I'm going to head out for awhile
[06:56:12] <NCommander> Cya
[06:56:15] <Admiral_coolbp> g'night!
[06:57:04] <Admiral_coolbp> mechanicjay: I have about 15 minutes tops before I need to hit the hay
[06:57:21] <mechanicjay> ...yeah me too.
[06:57:45] <Admiral_coolbp> okay, anything I can do to help in that time?
[06:57:47] <mechanicjay> Okay, well let me set you mailbox up and password and give you the info, we'll leave the forward in place so you'll get mail in your soylent mailbox and forwared off.
[06:57:56] <mechanicjay> Then you can beat on it tomorrow.
[06:58:06] <Admiral_coolbp> that I can do = )
[06:58:38] <Admiral_coolbp> Landon: will you be around for a while?
[07:03:15] <Admiral_coolbp> xlefay: will you be around for a while?
[07:04:35] <Admiral_coolbp> <XoyCow6358> Hey, I saw in the logs that you're looking to set up backup system to critical passwords, requiring more than 1 person to unlock. You might want to check out Shamir Shared Secrets http://point-at-infinity.org SSSS exists as a debian/ubuntu package.
[07:04:43] <Admiral_coolbp> cool, we'll look into that!
[07:04:46] <Admiral_coolbp> thanks
[07:05:31] <mechanicjay> Admiral_coolbp: okay, nm, something in squirelmail broke horifically just now, even though it worked great a minute ago. I've not touched your mrcoolbp alias. I'll look at it again after some sleep
[07:06:30] <Admiral_coolbp> email me, maybe I can mess with it in the moring
[07:06:33] <Admiral_coolbp> morning
[07:08:04] <NCommander> ...
[07:08:08] <NCommander> There's irony of sending an email to test the email system
[07:08:38] <Admiral_coolbp> heh
[07:08:51] <Admiral_coolbp> I meant an email stating how I might help do so
[07:13:51] <Admiral_coolbp> NCommander: have we told applesmasher we'll be nuking his forums soon?
[07:13:59] <NCommander> I dunno
[07:14:12] * NCommander notes nothing say "Hey, look up" like a nuclear crater
[07:14:57] <Admiral_coolbp> maybe we should check with him, let him know we still want him on board
[07:15:07] <Admiral_coolbp> as we are killing his team...
[07:16:00] <Admiral_coolbp> NCommander: ^^^^^
[07:16:48] <NCommander> Admiral_coolbp, drop an email on the list :-)
[07:17:13] <Admiral_coolbp> will do it in 8 hours
[07:17:45] <Admiral_coolbp> ANY staff around?
[07:18:24] * NCommander will be on call if need be
[07:18:35] <NCommander> But we need to find more timezone coverage
[07:18:40] <Admiral_coolbp> yes
[07:18:51] <Admiral_coolbp> okay, well don't work too hard
[07:18:57] <Admiral_coolbp> I need to get some sleep
[07:19:11] <Admiral_coolbp> you are supposed to be on vacation as I understand it
[07:19:51] <mattie_p> I'm back but tired, need zzz
[07:19:57] <mattie_p> up for only a few more minutes
[07:20:25] <Admiral_coolbp> go to sleep sir.
[07:20:48] <mattie_p> Oh, I will admiral
[07:20:53] <Admiral_coolbp> heh
[07:21:07] <Admiral_coolbp> we should be okay for a few hours
[07:21:15] <Admiral_coolbp> NCommander said he is "on call"
[07:21:30] <NCommander> I'll get my phone hooked up
[07:21:30] <mattie_p> dunno what that means
[07:21:35] <NCommander> but I'll check my messages once in awhile
[07:21:39] <NCommander> and get online properly if I need to
[07:22:00] <mattie_p> oh, good. Barrabas gave me your number, is it ok to call if an emergency?
[07:22:32] <Admiral_coolbp> define emergency
[07:22:44] <mattie_p> I'll know it when I see it
[07:23:12] <mattie_p> we need to define "wake up criteria" when I pass out my number to key staff
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[07:23:44] <mattie_p> for instance: site down for 30 minutes. site down for 10 minutes and no one with passwords available
[07:23:50] <mattie_p> etc
[07:24:21] <Admiral_coolbp> yes
[07:24:34] <mattie_p> in the military we called those CCIR, commander's critical information requirements. established what needed to be reported, and when
[07:24:47] <mattie_p> NCommander and I will have to jointly work on those
[07:24:50] <Admiral_coolbp> mattie_p want to take that one on (too)/
[07:24:57] <mattie_p> !todo CCIR
[07:24:58] <Admiral_coolbp> ah
[07:25:10] <Admiral_coolbp> okay, seriously, need to go to bread now
[07:25:13] <NCommander> mattie_p, its disconnected at the moment
[07:25:14] <NCommander> No local SIM
[07:25:23] * NCommander notes seriously, life WILL be better when I get back home in four days
[07:25:27] <NCommander> Its just been a shitty time for emergencies
[07:25:31] <mattie_p> I figured, why I didn't bother, plus we fixed it
[07:26:33] <Admiral_coolbp> well, I'm off with no one to "pass command" to other than NC
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[07:26:39] <Admiral_coolbp> see ?
[07:26:45] <Admiral_coolbp> = )
[07:26:55] <mattie_p> I think we're all off. I'm to bed as well
[07:27:09] <Admiral_coolbp> see you in the morning
[07:27:14] <mattie_p> ok
[07:27:17] <mattie_p> adios, amigo
[07:27:23] <Admiral_coolbp> si
[07:27:29] <mattie_p> bueno
[07:27:34] <Admiral_coolbp> excellente
[07:27:38] <Admiral_coolbp> goodnight gentlemen
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[07:28:01] <drcoolbp> .deop
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[07:28:21] <mattie_p> NCommander, you here for a while? or do we need another commander?
[07:28:28] <drcoolbp> = )
[07:28:47] <NCommander> mattie_p, I was supposed to go out 30 minutes ago
[07:28:57] <drcoolbp> mattie_p save this link for later: http://point-at-infinity.org
[07:28:59] <mattie_p> ok, so that didn't happen
[07:29:21] <drcoolbp> (for password stuff)
[07:29:25] <mattie_p> yeah, got a pm about it
[07:29:36] <drcoolbp> cool, later
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[07:29:37] <mattie_p> good to look into
[07:30:03] <mattie_p> alright, me and NCommander are out. Who else on staff is awake to take charge?
[07:30:16] <NCommander> I think we leave it for whoever comes on next
[07:30:23] <NCommander> 24h coverage is a tad of a pipedream ATM
[07:30:27] <mattie_p> if we have to
[07:30:36] <mattie_p> but if someone is awake we pass it to them
[07:31:49] <NCommander> doesn't look like it
[07:31:54] <mattie_p> ok
[07:31:59] <mattie_p> well, it is what it is
[07:32:05] <mattie_p> I can't stay up forever
[07:32:08] <mattie_p> talk to you later
[07:32:19] <NCommander> talk to you later
[07:32:21] * NCommander goes for food
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[08:47:42] <mechanicjay> is anyone here?
[08:47:57] <stderr> No.
[08:47:58] <matt_> no one useful ;)
[08:48:04] <mechanicjay> ha!
[08:48:18] <mechanicjay> okay, the mailinglists are currently not working.
[08:48:28] <mechanicjay> I've been fighting with it for hours.
[08:48:59] <stderr> What's the problem?
[08:49:04] <mechanicjay> When I got stuff configured for local mail delivery, dovecot is trying to handle the list mails, and I can't get postfix to hand them off to mailman
[08:54:04] <stderr> The mailing lists are @lists.soylentnews.org, right?
[08:54:44] <stderr> I'm asking because there's no MX-records for lists.soylentnews.org
[08:55:59] <stderr> On the other hand, there's two MX-records for soylentnews.org: mail.soylentnews.org and lists.soylentnews.org Both of those have the same A record. That doesn't make sense...
[08:58:24] <mechanicjay> based on linodes limited web interface for mx handling, I did the best i could with the dns config. it worked fine until about an hour go.
[08:59:50] <stderr> Do we have one or two mailservers?
[09:00:03] <mechanicjay> one
[09:00:25] <stderr> What's its name?
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[09:03:33] <stderr> There's something very odd going on with that DNS...
[09:03:46] <stderr> soylentnews.org. 300 IN NS remote.demmers.org.
[09:04:17] <stderr> But dig @remote.demmers.org -t any soylentnews.org says remote.demmers.org doesn't know anything at all about soylentnews.org
[09:05:32] <Dopefish> oh hey
[09:05:42] <Dopefish> I still hear the drama is ongoing with the domain
[09:05:45] <MrBluze> Hi all
[09:05:48] <stderr> Can we run our own bind and just have linode (or someone else) pull the records from there?
[09:07:13] <mechanicjay> stderr: the machine has a bunch of A records because it's overloaded as shit right now.
[09:07:18] <mechanicjay> 72.14.184.41 is th eip
[09:07:59] <mechanicjay> basically, the problem I'm having is sort of talked about here:
[09:08:01] <mechanicjay> http://www.howtoforge.com
[09:08:03] <mechanicjay> and here:
[09:08:12] <mechanicjay> https://mail.python.org
[09:09:28] <stderr> A telnet to the smtp port on 72.14.184.41 says: mail.soylentnews.org, so that's what the mailserver think its name is...
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[09:10:16] <stderr> Since we only have one mailserver for @soylentnews.org and that mailserver think its name is mail... I would drop this MX record: soylentnews.org. 300 IN MX 10 lists.soylentnews.org.
[09:11:07] <stderr> It doesn't make sense to says "if you want to send emails to @soylentnews.org, first try mail.soylentnews.org at 72.14.184.41... If that doesn't work, try lists.soylentnews.org at _the exact same_ IP".
[09:12:28] <stderr> If we can't make a MX-record for @lists.soylentnews.org in linodes web interface, I think we should drop using that interface ASAP and use something else.
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[09:13:24] <stderr> Something else might be to run our own bind and have linode pull records from there or have e.g. gratisdns.dk pull the records from our own bind... Or have the records directly at e.g. gratisdns.dk
[09:13:55] <mechanicjay> stderr: I'm completely for that. Linodes DNS manager was expedient when we were trying to get off bluehose
[09:13:58] <mechanicjay> *BlueHost
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[09:22:14] <MrBluze> Just to confirm the domain name has been handed over, right?
[09:22:30] <matt_> from B to me.
[09:22:41] <matt_> it was a little complicated...
[09:22:48] <MrBluze> Okay
[09:22:54] <matt_> there was a 60-day lock, since they were registered less than 60 days ago.
[09:23:08] <stderr> matt_: Of course it was complicated... B was involved. :-)
[09:23:29] <MrBluze> Yeah I can't really say I'm surprised
[09:23:35] <matt_> ...so he had to give me control of his entire Gandi account.
[09:23:58] <matt_> but first he had to scrub it of his other services.
[09:24:17] <MrBluze> Oh
[09:24:37] <matt_> finally, because he couldn't scrub all personal info, he asked me to promise not to share access.
[09:24:48] <matt_> the idea being that the domains can be transferred out after 4 more weeks.
[09:24:56] <matt_> whew!
[09:24:56] <MrBluze> Why couldn't he just write a contract ensuring handover and safe custody in the interim
[09:25:22] * MrBluze shrugs
[09:25:24] <matt_> contracts occasionally need to be enforced ;)
[09:25:31] <matt_> this was probably easier.
[09:25:35] <MrBluze> Yeah they do but..
[09:26:00] <MrBluze> In a way yes, I'd not have trusted anything but the real deal
[09:27:53] <matt_> none of these mailserver issues have anything to do with anything on the Gandi account, do they?
[09:28:41] <mechanicjay> fucking a
[09:28:43] <mechanicjay> I got it
[09:28:45] <MrBluze> Doubt it.. Have u changed the password and contact details on the gandi account?
[09:28:52] <matt_> yep.
[09:28:59] <MrBluze> Then it's safe
[09:29:02] <stderr> mechanicjay++
[09:29:12] <mechanicjay> following these instructions -- yet again: http://wiki.list.org
[09:30:06] <mechanicjay> I had the bright idea to bounce dovecot this time - which apparently did the trick and let something happen so that it wasn't just glomming onto all the traffic and let postfix route the lists traffic via the mailman transport
[09:31:41] <mechanicjay> As of right now, we have lists, local mailboxes and alias forwards working on the same box
[09:32:37] <mechanicjay> and now I need to go the fuck to bed, since it's four fucking thirty in the morning.
[09:33:21] <MrBluze> Four fucking thirty sounds like hard work
[09:34:01] <stderr> Hard work, but a good movie...
[09:34:21] <MrBluze> Yeah definitely it would sell
[09:37:06] <mechanicjay> excellent -- how do I make money off that? ;)
[09:37:51] * mechanicjay passes out
[09:38:24] <MrBluze> Lol
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[09:38:40] <stderr> Meanwhile I confirmed what I suspected... If a hostname doesn't have an MX record (like lists.soylentnews.org doesn't) a mailserver should fall back to checking for an A record for that hostname (lists.soylentnews.org has an A record) and if one is found, it should be treated as a MX record...
[09:39:25] <stderr> That's a "SHOULD", so it might fail with some mail servers... So we do want a MX record for lists.soylentnews.org at some point.
[09:48:04] <stderr> I know nothing about SPF records, but http://mxtoolbox.com thinks the SPF record for soylentnews.org is invalid. Can someone who knows about SPF check the record?
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[10:00:55] <stderr> According to prospectacle, "ipv4:192.163.234.79" should most likely be "ip4:192.163.234.79". I think that's correct...
[10:13:54] <stderr> <idlerpg> stderr, nobbis, Landon, and ragequit have blessed the realm by completing their quest! 25% of their burden is eliminated.
[10:13:57] <stderr> W00T!!!!
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[11:17:47] <FatPhil> stderr: eww, there shouldn't be any "blessed" - there's more neutral wording by default now
[11:19:38] <FatPhil> that message can be configured in the events.txt file, so if you think of some nerdy wording, just shout, it can be added instantly
[11:20:27] <FatPhil> xlefay: you're running the wrong version of the game
[11:20:40] <FatPhil> there's just been a "forsaken by hteir evil god" too
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[11:23:04] <FatPhil> this is the default message, if there's nothing in the events file: if(!@{$events{E}}) { push(@{$events{E}},"%player%'s misdeeds have caught up with %him%. %duration% is added to %their% clock."); }
[11:24:21] <MrBluze> incidentally, for names - i also noted that soylentology.org was available ;)
[11:25:58] <stderr> Wasn't that name also checked the other day?
[11:26:22] <MrBluze> nah
[11:26:29] <MrBluze> i had suggested it ages ago and forgot about it actually
[11:26:34] <MrBluze> and one more name i had in mind - firingsquid
[11:26:57] <MrBluze> soylentology was laughed down last time b/c it would probably attract hitmen or something
[11:27:04] <stderr> FatPhil: Just pretend it's perl and bless() something. :-)
[11:27:16] <MrBluze> bless( soylentology )
[11:28:16] <FatPhil> MrBluze: WOW!
[11:28:32] <MrBluze> huh?
[11:28:39] <FatPhil> that's brilliant - soylentology
[11:28:41] <stderr> MrBluze: Mar 10 11:17:50 <MrBluze> soylentology is free
[11:28:45] <MrBluze> yeah
[11:28:48] <FatPhil> It must be used somewhere
[11:28:53] <MrBluze> its not used
[11:28:59] * MrBluze remembers looking it up
[11:29:12] <MrBluze> it's very cheeky
[11:30:48] <FatPhil> At the moment (which is the morning after being in the pub until 5am) I think I'd vote for soylentology.org!
[11:31:12] <stderr> Regarding the name... "posted by mattie_p on Wednesday March 12, @07:00" ... "We are currently having our poll on the future status of our IRC network, and within 24 hours we are going to launch a new poll to select our final site name (or so we hope)." Isn't it about time?
[11:31:32] <FatPhil> by "it must be" I mean future tense. It must be incorporated by me into the IdleRPG events.txt somehow
[11:31:36] <MrBluze> yeah probably
[11:32:22] <FatPhil> I have a nasty feeling it will be a calamity rather than a godsend...
[11:32:43] <stderr> FatPhil: "Mr. B from the cult of soylentology has ... bla bla bla .... 4 days add to clock."
[11:32:53] <MrBluze> lol yes
[11:32:58] <MrBluze> Fr. B
[11:33:34] <MrBluze> firingsquid = shooting with ink
[11:35:17] <FatPhil> Given that the first message takedown on slashdot was from Co$ regarding OT3 (IIRC), there's definitely some nerd relevance
[11:45:51] <stderr> I like how /. handled that DMCA... http://slashdot.org
[11:45:52] <FatPhil> xlefay: kill; cd; restart
[11:46:17] <stderr> I don't think Dice would handle it the same way if it happened today.
[11:46:56] <FatPhil> stderr: yes. that was /. when it was awesome
[11:47:06] <stderr> Yes.
[11:47:43] <FatPhil> what a long long way it's come since then :-(
[11:49:06] <stderr> <idlerpg> stderr, the level 42 I/O-stream, is #1! Next level in 0 days, 02:49:23. I'm actually considering saying something in that channel, so I can stay level 42 for just a little bit longer... Nah!!!
[11:50:19] <FatPhil> it's the chinese way
[11:50:56] <MrBluze> soylentology.com is taken
[11:51:00] <MrBluze> but .org and .net are not
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[11:51:09] <janrinok> hi guys
[11:51:10] * FatPhil interrupts Led Zep I to play some Mark King...
[11:51:27] <MrBluze> but firingsquid is available
[11:51:30] <MrBluze> hi janrinok
[11:51:39] <janrinok> MrBluze: good morning to you
[11:52:13] <MrBluze> gmorning
[11:53:30] <MrBluze> i dunno
[11:53:42] <MrBluze> i dont think soylentology would win a vote
[11:53:56] <MrBluze> see the problem with soylent is .. well... its a bit abstract really
[11:54:08] <MrBluze> too many steps to find the meaning
[11:55:05] <FatPhil> lack of direct meaning isn't a negative for me
[11:55:23] <stderr> I personally would like a clean break from everything related to B.
[11:55:35] <MrBluze> i really like geekcard
[11:55:56] <FatPhil> I know a lot do, I think it will be popular, but it rings the wrong bells in my head
[11:55:56] <MrBluze> sort of speaks of what we're about .. the license to geekdom
[11:56:19] <MrBluze> i agree, doesnt have to be direct meaning
[11:56:31] <MrBluze> but if not, then has to be catchy
[11:56:37] <MrBluze> port119 is catchy
[11:56:39] <FatPhil> I like word-play and puns
[11:57:17] <MrBluze> and that's mysterious enough for people to maybe google what it means, or they will straight away know and feel justifiably geeky
[11:57:35] <FatPhil> the thing is that I've been using usenet since only about a year after the great renaming (I remember people refering to net.math for several years), so port119 seems a bit fake to me
[11:58:03] <MrBluze> the other things is first impressions.
[11:58:12] <MrBluze> when i ask ppl at work what they think of soylentnews .. as a name
[11:58:13] * janrinok confesses that he had to Google port119
[11:58:17] <MrBluze> they think "sounds like a toilet"
[11:58:59] <FatPhil> this is why we need a vote - there are many different opinions
[11:59:03] <MrBluze> these are not 'nerds' but, well, ppl with phD's and stuff
[11:59:57] <MrBluze> .. i know we aren't about marketing but the population of worthwhile nad interesting nerds in the world is actually huge.. probably more than a million
[12:00:22] <MrBluze> that would be an awesome population to draw to our attention
[12:00:24] <FatPhil> so you're saying that 2/3rds of /. is astroturfers and bots?
[12:00:49] <MrBluze> easy
[12:00:58] <MrBluze> 2/3 of /. are inactive for years
[12:01:03] <MrBluze> at least .. if not more
[12:01:09] <MrBluze> they dont have 1 million active users .. lmao
[12:01:10] <stderr> FatPhil: Only 2/3?
[12:01:27] <FatPhil> I will confess to having 4 /. accounts. Not gonna tell you what the other nicks were though...
[12:01:46] <FatPhil> 3 genuinely were troller accounts.
[12:01:49] <MrBluze> sure but ..
[12:02:03] <MrBluze> well my point is .. the name needs to be easy to say
[12:02:04] <FatPhil> 2 of them got to karma cap and never left that level. people liked my trolls
[12:02:16] <MrBluze> like dailybacon is easy to say .. maybe not exactly what we need but easy to say
[12:02:44] <FatPhil> some mystery is good though.
[12:02:49] <MrBluze> yes true
[12:03:05] <MrBluze> i just wish it didnt have to be green sludge
[12:03:41] <FatPhil> only green was green
[12:04:08] <MrBluze> yeah but it's all the connotations and so on
[12:04:37] <FatPhil> I have no problem with darker twists
[12:04:38] <MrBluze> reminds me of portaloo's and bio-toilets, and pond-scum and stagnant stuff and the bubbling pits of rotorua
[12:05:09] <FatPhil> maybe that's a reflection on the internet as a whole, and how it's turned out?
[12:05:22] <MrBluze> great, lets celebrate how shit the internet is
[12:05:27] * MrBluze grins
[12:05:27] * stderr starts chanting "We want name poll! We want name poll!"
[12:05:34] <FatPhil> yeah!
[12:05:43] <MrBluze> i NEED a name poll
[12:05:47] <MrBluze> otherwise i dont know where to go with the new skin
[12:05:54] <MrBluze> i dont want a soylent skin for a bacon name
[12:05:56] <MrBluze> or whatever
[12:05:57] <FatPhil> We need a non-stuffable ballot first.
[12:06:05] <MrBluze> that's difficult
[12:06:20] <MrBluze> but one vote per UID is .. nearly ok
[12:06:26] <MrBluze> given we cannot authenticate anyone anyway
[12:06:34] <stderr> If we don't want to use the poll booth, I think we should use the way Debian does votes.
[12:06:43] <FatPhil> yes, that's kinda what I meant, good distinction
[12:07:02] <MrBluze> yes i like the debian one
[12:07:20] <MrBluze> but fwiw
[12:07:29] <MrBluze> we do the poll, we take the result to the staff
[12:07:32] <MrBluze> the staff discuss and decide
[12:07:43] <FatPhil> I may have used Debian for 15 years, know about 20 debain maintainers, and my g/f knows the current project lead personally, but I have absolutely no idea how they do their votes
[12:07:46] <MrBluze> otherwise we are just beholden to abuse
[12:07:48] <stderr> MrBluze: One vote per UID, but only the first 3k+something users... Otherwise we'll hit 5k users in no time.
[12:08:05] <MrBluze> yeah freeze the UID's for the vote
[12:08:19] <MrBluze> i wonder if we can do that .. does the poll record who voted where?
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[12:08:28] <stderr> FatPhil: http://www.debian.org
[12:08:40] <stderr> MrBluze: I'm pretty sure it does.
[12:08:41] * FatPhil wants to kick non-staff off channel before saying his next sentence
[12:09:00] <stderr> FatPhil: We have another channel for staff-only...
[12:09:12] <MrBluze> yeah cone of silence lol
[12:09:28] <MrBluze> which we never use
[12:09:42] <stderr> Of course not... Never ever... :-)
[12:09:53] <MrBluze> this has worked out better anyway
[12:14:24] <MrBluze> by the way what's the difference between "complete" and "finished" ?
[12:18:33] <MrBluze> ... when u marry the perfect woman, u are 'complete'
[12:18:46] <MrBluze> ... but if u don't marry the perfect woman, u are 'finished'
[12:18:56] <FatPhil> cone of silence ++
[12:19:01] <MrBluze> ... and if you later meet the perfect woman, u are 'completely finished'
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[12:31:29] <FatPhil> xlefay: you're running the wrong IdleRPG!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
[12:32:21] <stderr> If we want to involve the users in how things are being done (and we do), the name vote isn't going to be the last vote we're having... I'm reading up on how devotee (DEbian VOTe EnginE) works and will try to make a web version of it.
[12:37:17] <FatPhil> What is the problem with text to which this image is the solution? http://upload.wikimedia.org
[12:38:43] <stderr> 5 (meaning, 5 voters have order of preference: )
[12:38:55] <stderr> A>C>B>E>D
[12:39:22] <FatPhil> congratulations in doing that with text - I never thought it would have been possible!
[12:40:04] <stderr> I think I misunderstood your question... I thought it was a "find a wikipage that uses this image" quest. :-)
[12:40:35] <stderr> But yeah, that's a bit weird...
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[12:42:06] <FatPhil> due to shitty eyesight, I have my web pages scaled up massively. text scales nicely. images scale crappily.
[12:43:06] * FatPhil volunteers to do accessibily testing for SN for the "shitty colourblind eyesight" sector
[12:43:22] * stderr wonders where NCommander were flooding...
[12:43:50] <FatPhil> a veritable tsunami!
[12:50:39] <FatPhil> http://en.wikipedia.org - total bollocks
[12:51:06] <FatPhil> makes absurd assumptions that are wilder than the things it tries to work around
[12:52:57] <FatPhil> then again, condorcet's total bollocks to start with
[12:53:21] <stderr> Why?
[12:53:43] <FatPhil> OK, let's start from the ground up...
[12:54:00] <FatPhil> which bit of the condorcet criterion do you think is non-bollocks?
[12:54:36] <stderr> I only know that Debian uses it. I haven't studied it in details (yet).
[12:55:16] <FatPhil> Start here: http://en.wikipedia.org
[12:55:35] <FatPhil> pay attention to "Voting systems that fail the participation criterion allow a particularly unusual strategy of not voting to, in some circumstances, help a voter's preferred choice win."
[12:55:56] <FatPhil> and All Condorcet methods,[2][citation needed] Bucklin voting,[3] and IRV[4] fail [the participation criterion].
[12:56:32] <FatPhil> it's a totally contrived relationship that has no self-evident need to be true
[12:57:47] <FatPhil> If you word it the right way you can persuade people that it's nice to have. Some people have been suckerred that way
[12:58:59] <stderr> Hmm... Someone should tell Debian that...
[13:00:24] <stderr> I guess it "works" because people generally don't know how others will vote and therefore don't know whether it's better to stay at home...
[13:01:26] <stderr> Can we come up with another form of voting that's better?
[13:01:56] * stderr stopped coding on the web version of devotee...
[13:03:56] <FatPhil> when taking votes from humans - nope.
[13:04:01] <FatPhil> the input is flawed
[13:04:31] <stderr> Ok, so only bots are allowed to vote on any issues from now on.
[13:04:42] <FatPhil> even if you tell them the system's "fair" (for some definition of that word), they'll still vote tactically.
[13:04:51] <stderr> Why didn't I see this earlier? Mar 13 00:54:25 <prospectacle> https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/openstv/
[13:06:10] <stderr> "OpenSTV is the only open-source software that implements the single transferable vote exactly as used by governments, including Scotland and the City of Cambridge, Massachusetts." The only ...? I thought devotee did the same thing and that's open-source too.
[13:09:14] <FatPhil> STV's kinda alright.
[13:09:41] <FatPhil> If devotee does some schwartz/condorcet nonsense, then it's not doing the same thing
[13:10:59] <stderr> Doesn't OpenSTV do Condorcet too?
[13:11:28] <FatPhil> does several schemes
[13:15:37] <stderr> Anyway... Too many voting systems!!! We were told we would have a site name poll within 24 hours and that time has passed a long time ago...
[13:15:56] * stderr starts chanting "We want name poll! We want name poll!" again!
[13:16:31] <FatPhil> wikipedia sucks
[13:17:09] <FatPhil> Every page I look at nowadays has a fundamental error in it.
[13:17:14] <stderr> xlefay: You won't see that again... :-)
[13:17:30] <stderr> FatPhil: [Citation Needed]
[13:17:35] <FatPhil> http://en.wikipedia.org
[13:18:03] <FatPhil> the error? informal proof, part 1
[13:18:36] <FatPhil> sure, it's informal, that doesn't mean it should be meaningless.
[13:23:07] <stderr> Maybe I'm just tired, but what's the problem?
[13:24:00] <FatPhil> unstated ordering of voters.
[13:24:42] <stderr> "Now arrange all the voters in some arbitrary but fixed order, ..."
[13:24:43] <FatPhil> each ordering of voters can yield a different pivotal voter. They're using the term as if it's uniquely defined
[13:26:24] <FatPhil> OK, they state it, but they don't state (in part 1) that the outcome has a dependency on that ordering. It's just a throwaway line as if it's unimportant
[13:26:27] <stderr> You mean if you put the CAB votes before the ACB votes, it takes fewer moves from CAB to BCA be A is kicked out?
[13:26:52] <stderr> ... compared to if ACB votes where before CAB votes.
[13:33:26] <stderr> Part Two doesn't make sense either... "Every voter in Segment Two ranks A above B and B above C."... No, in Part One they said everyone hates B, so B wouldn't be above C in segment two.
[13:33:38] <stderr> Right?
[13:37:42] <FatPhil> it's pretty mangled
[13:38:05] <FatPhil> they want me to assume X and then change X.
[13:41:56] <FatPhil> political theory is about the same level of abuse of mathematics as economics
[13:45:09] <stderr> I think I'll go call my bank again... I called them almost two hours ago and they should have called me back...
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[13:45:52] <mattie_p> morning folks
[13:56:16] <mattie_p> .op
[13:56:16] -!- mode/#staff [+o mattie_p] by buttercake
[13:56:36] <mattie_p> .topic Commander: mattie_p (Hasn't had coffee yet)
[13:56:43] mattie_p changed topic of #staff to: Commander: mattie_p (Hasn't had coffee yet)
[13:56:52] <mattie_p> .help topic
[13:57:16] <mattie_p> .topic #staff Commander: mattie_p (Hasn't had coffee yet)
[13:57:23] <xlefay> minus '#staff'
[13:57:29] <mattie_p> .topic Commander: mattie_p (Hasn't had coffee yet)
[13:57:35] <mattie_p> I tried that first
[13:57:37] <xlefay> It's a bit redundant since you're saying it in the channel.. also, that's already the topic
[13:57:42] <xlefay> ooh man just /topic
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[13:57:57] <mattie_p> I tried that one too
[13:57:59] <mattie_p> you'
[13:58:01] <mattie_p> you
[13:58:06] <mattie_p> can't type
[13:58:12] <mattie_p> but you're just messing with me now
[13:58:22] <xlefay> what? /nick cmdr_mattie_p
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[14:42:21] <stderr> mattie_p: NAME POLL!!!
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[14:43:20] <mattie_p> there was a riot yesterday about the IRC poll.
[14:43:47] <mattie_p> accusations of ballot stuffing, I'll need to make a new poll and link to something explaining why we're holding off the name poll
[14:44:21] <mattie_p> brb in 15 minutes, taking kids to school bus
[14:44:23] <stderr> We have looked at devotee, the program Debian uses... Another option is OpenSTV...
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[15:03:20] <janrinok> he mattie_p mrgirlpluggedout
[15:03:24] <janrinok> hi*
[15:03:38] <mattie_p> hi, janrinok
[15:03:45] <janrinok> xlefay: hi
[15:04:04] <xlefay> hi
[15:05:35] <mattie_p> stderr: I'm fine with whatever recommendation, so long as we can restrict if by uid
[15:25:07] <janrinok> mrgirlpluggedout: are you around?
[15:26:58] <stderr> Sorry, long phone call...
[15:29:08] <janrinok> stderr: hi, how are you today?
[15:29:10] <stderr> mattie_p: As far as I understood FatPhil, devotee is no good, but openstv might be. (FatPhil: Correct me if I'm wrong...)
[15:29:33] <stderr> janrinok: Busy, but 1k kroner "richer" than I was earlier today...
[15:29:41] <janrinok> Brilliant!
[15:30:00] <stderr> As in: The bank want that back on the 28th.
[15:30:25] <janrinok> Ah, not quite as good as it could have been...
[15:30:45] <stderr> It never is when people forget to pay you on time...
[15:31:20] <janrinok> Well, I hope it all turns out well for you.
[15:33:27] <stderr> According to the payment department at work, part of my paycheck will be at my bank Monday or Tuesday...
[15:33:38] <stderr> I'll believe it when I see it...
[15:33:47] <janrinok> 'part of my paycheck' - what about the remainder?
[15:34:00] <stderr> At the end of the month like normal.
[15:34:31] <stderr> Part of my paycheck is only the part they forgot to pay me at the end of January and at the end of February.
[15:34:53] <stderr> And the 500 kroner extra I got for waiting... :-/
[15:35:01] <janrinok> ok understood now, I was just typing up that very question
[15:35:27] <janrinok> at least you can afford to eat.
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[15:37:39] <janrinok> NCommander: welcome back!
[15:37:49] <NCommander> Thanks
[15:37:51] <NCommander> ah
[15:38:00] <NCommander> Fuck, XChat doesn't tell me when I can't talk due to not being voiced
[15:38:07] <janrinok> ....that is, assuming you are back?
[15:38:12] <NCommander> <NCommander> stderr, buy a lotto ticket?
[15:38:12] <NCommander> * NCommander remembers when he got double charged in taxes
[15:38:12] <NCommander> <stderr> At the end of the month like normal.
[15:38:12] <NCommander> <NCommander> I got the money in back in time for tax time next year (which promptly ate that refund :-))
[15:38:15] <NCommander> the end of February.
[15:38:18] <stderr> janrinok: Yeah, now... If the bank hadn't agreed to those 1k, I would have 3.53 left...
[15:38:18] <NCommander> <stderr> And the 500 kroner extra I got for waiting... :-/
[15:38:18] <NCommander> <NCommander> When I lived in New York, I frequently found my owed state taxes was frequently close to what my federal return was
[15:38:18] <NCommander> <NCommander> >.<;
[15:38:18] <NCommander> <janrinok> ok understood now, I was just typing up that very question
[15:38:20] <NCommander> <NCommander> stderr, koner? You live in Denmark?
[15:38:56] <stderr> NCommander: A lotto ticket is at least 5 or 10 kroner... I had 3 kroner and 53 �rer... :-/
[15:39:03] <stderr> Yes, I live in Denmark.
[15:39:07] <NCommander> stderr, well, shit.
[15:39:15] * NCommander has a rare Coppenhueng stamp in his passport
[15:39:48] <NCommander> I froze my nuts off there two years ago for UDS.
[15:40:08] <stderr> A Coppenhueng stamp is very rare... :-)
[15:40:45] * NCommander can't speak
[15:40:46] <NCommander> :-P
[15:42:26] <stderr> NCommander: I had some talks with a DD about a Debian/Ubuntu hack-a-ton at our uni. in April and it looked like we would be allowed to use the rooms and stuff, but because of all the crap with my payment and stuff, I haven't had any time to deal with that, so it won't happen. :-/
[15:43:23] <NCommander> The worst bit about my paychecks is they were handled by a company called Paychex
[15:43:50] <NCommander> Which was based in Henrietta, NY, about four blocks where I lived
[15:43:54] <NCommander> BUT, they had to go through HR to be processed, so my paycheck/tax shit/etc. would go from Henrietta, NY, to Lexington, MA, then back the same way.
[15:44:57] <stderr> "Of course"... Cause that makes "sense"...
[15:45:49] <NCommander> So what crisises are we dealing w/ now?
[15:46:13] <mattie_p> none at the moment
[15:46:29] <janrinok> touch wood - the only real crisis is stderr's pay check.
[15:47:55] <FatPhil> well, xlefay, nobbis, swiss, and Landon are on a quest to quell the riot that has sprung up between Perl-weenies and Python-weenies
[15:48:10] <FatPhil> but that's under control
[15:48:20] <NCommander> Fuck my internet connection
[15:48:26] <NCommander> FatPhil, can you repeat, I got DCed and my repeater has issues if it doesn't detect I disconnected
[15:49:08] <mattie_p> FatPhil is talking in idlerpg, NCommander, nothing to worry about
[15:49:17] <mattie_p> err, talking about irpg
[15:51:27] * NCommander smacks IRC
[15:54:15] <xlefay> NC did you get my note about us using the same services as on freenode and the auth process being /exactly/ the same?
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[15:54:57] <mattie_p> drcoolbp, so site is down for you?
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[15:55:52] <drcoolbp> nah some weird network stuff on my end
[15:56:04] <xlefay> drcoolbp: you add SN IRC in your mIRC's network list?
[15:56:13] <drcoolbp> was getting through some things but not others, rebooted the router/modem chain and it's up now
[15:56:38] <drcoolbp> sorry to bother you mattie_p
[15:56:41] <xlefay> prolly dns cache.. have the same with wiki still, will reload nscd soon
[15:56:52] <mattie_p> no worries
[15:56:52] <drcoolbp> I need to learn to have coffee before attempting anything here
[15:56:56] * drcoolbp sips coffee
[15:57:09] <mattie_p> that is an important rule
[15:57:14] <drcoolbp> yes
[15:57:29] <mattie_p> who is on for a bit? need to pass command for a couple of hours
[15:57:44] <mattie_p> got some stuff to do around the house
[15:57:47] <FatPhil> I'm on for a few hours
[15:57:53] <drcoolbp> also here
[15:58:06] <xlefay> also here but seemingly unable to be received
[15:58:09] * NCommander is suffering from flakey internet
[15:58:10] <NCommander> ugh
[15:58:20] <drcoolbp> me too NCommander
[15:58:25] <mattie_p> unable to be received? is that a personal problem?
[15:58:48] <xlefay> no, just addressing people doesn't appear to be working :-P
[15:58:58] <drcoolbp> who said that?
[15:59:02] <mattie_p> I'll pass it to FatPhil then, since everyone seems to have issues
[15:59:08] <xlefay> Was going to help drcoolbp get auto identified without having to worry about his nick but he's missing my message :P
[15:59:10] <mattie_p> who said what? I didn't see anything
[15:59:48] <drcoolbp> xlefay: I saw that, mIRC keeps changing my entry nick to whatever I'm using currently
[15:59:57] * drcoolbp is waking up still
[16:00:04] <xlefay> drcoolbp: yeah; but did you add SN to your network list?
[16:00:09] <drcoolbp> yes
[16:00:52] <NCommander> drcoolbp, do you use bip?
[16:00:52] <NCommander> or another proxy?
[16:00:59] <drcoolbp> no
[16:01:14] <xlefay> aah drcoolbp then edit the network and set the server pass to mrcoolbp:your_pass (not sure if mIRC supports SASL yet) so that's probably the easiest way
[16:01:30] <drcoolbp> we tried that and it didn't work
[16:01:42] <drcoolbp> my password is *just* my password
[16:01:47] <drcoolbp> only way we made it work
[16:02:01] <xlefay> It's weird how it doesn't work for some, I'll have to look into that further
[16:02:40] <xlefay> I'll ping kobach in a bit, he has mIRC standing by so maybe he can try to replicate your issue
[16:02:52] <drcoolbp> Fatphil: you'll need to .op yourself
[16:03:45] <mrgirlpluggedout> janrinok: Here now, if you're still around yourself.
[16:04:01] <stderr> drcoolbp / xlefay: Maybe change the password to a dummy password, then tcpdump everything to/from drcoolbps IP when he tries to connect and auth?
[16:04:58] <drcoolbp> mrgirlpluggedout: I posted a note on your story style discussion page
[16:05:57] <mrgirlpluggedout> Thanks, drcoolbp. I was initially confused by it, since I first read it to mean that you had already made those changed yourself :)
[16:06:05] <drcoolbp> nah
[16:06:14] <drcoolbp> you were the author, I'll let you handle that
[16:06:28] <xlefay> drcoolbp: pm?
[16:06:31] <drcoolbp> sure
[16:06:40] <mrgirlpluggedout> I agree with your suggestions, and I'll implement them.
[16:06:50] <drcoolbp> awesome
[16:08:23] <NCommander> really slagging hate this net connection
[16:08:36] * NCommander hates to say it, but looking forward to getting home
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[16:11:22] <mrgirlpluggedout> bbl
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[16:15:18] <FatPhil> .op
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[16:17:04] <NCommander> Ok, lets see if THAT fixes it
[16:18:08] mattie_p changed topic of #staff to: need a commander
[16:18:11] <mattie_p> .deop
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[16:18:26] <xlefay> .op
[16:18:26] -!- mode/#staff [+o xlefay] by buttercake
[16:18:32] <mattie_p> I gotta be afk, someone take over
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[16:20:38] <stderr> So anyway... What are we doing with the name poll? Do we write some voting software or do we use the poll with all its problems? If we write some software, what voting system should be used? If we use the poll (and if we write our own), do we only allow signed-in members to vote and only the first "whatever uid is max right now" users to vote? Help me, Jebus!
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[16:20:51] <NCommander> .op
[16:20:51] -!- mode/#staff [+o NCommander] by buttercake
[16:21:12] <stderr> I want that vote to take place ASAP, but if we need some software, is anyone working on that?
[16:21:17] NCommander changed topic of #staff to: Command: NCommander (respect the N)
[16:21:40] <NCommander> stderr, I rather cook a solution straight into Slashcode
[16:22:01] <stderr> Ok... What voting system?
[16:22:10] <FatPhil> .deop
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[16:22:49] <stderr> One where people can't see the result until the voting is over, sounds like a good idea to me...
[16:23:06] <NCommander> And what voting method
[16:23:16] * NCommander wonders if he can recycle some code from debvote for this
[16:23:38] <NCommander> Though debvote was designed by someone who probably worked on the space shuttle
[16:23:39] <mattie_p> instant runoff
[16:23:47] <NCommander> mattie_p, Debian has a good method
[16:23:49] * NCommander goes digging
[16:23:50] <stderr> We did look at devotee, but as far as I understood FatPhil it's not a good idea...
[16:24:01] <FatPhil> I'm anti-Condorcet
[16:24:08] <NCommander> FatPhil, uh oh
[16:24:10] * NCommander hides
[16:24:13] <stderr> <stderr> mattie_p: As far as I understood FatPhil, devotee is no good, but openstv might be. (FatPhil: Correct me if I'm wrong...)
[16:24:15] <NCommander> FatPhil, whats the issue?
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[16:24:51] <FatPhil> With condorcet, sometimes it better to not vote than to vote for your preferred candidate!
[16:25:02] <NCommander> FatPhil, !
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[16:25:52] <mattie_p> open stv costs $
[16:26:13] <stderr> mattie_p: Really? It's in Debian Main...
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[16:26:31] * NCommander could kick something up if I put other shit on hold
[16:26:38] <buttercakewithbacon> sorry about all that
[16:26:44] <NCommander> FatPhil, so, I read through your comments, and I actually agree w/ most of your points
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[16:27:00] <NCommander> FatPhil, if you're willing to revise the manifesto, that can free me up to write a Decision plugin for Slash
[16:27:21] <mechanicjay|zzz> ...is it possible we're over thinking this and ascribing too much importance to the particular process employed for a poll to the community?
[16:27:58] <stderr> mechanicjay|zzz: Maybe... But this won't be the last time we vote on something if we want to involve the community as far as possible.
[16:28:03] <NCommander> ++
[16:28:07] <NCommander> stderr++
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[16:28:15] <FatPhil> re condorcer: http://en.wikipedia.org
[16:28:20] <NCommander> I don't mind something intermin until we can make someone somewhat less cocked
[16:28:28] <NCommander> But we can't use pollBooth as is
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[16:28:42] <NCommander> I *might* be able to patch it to allow us to limit it to logged in, and one vote per person
[16:28:52] <NCommander> But that's a fairly big patchjob, that code is fuglier than most of Slash
[16:28:55] <xlefay> drcoolbp: glad it was a client side problem ;]
[16:29:02] <stderr> NCommander: ... and not show result ahead of time?
[16:29:13] <NCommander> stderr, that too
[16:29:29] <NCommander> pollbooth is fine for funny informal polls where the answer doesn't matter
[16:29:30] <drcoolbp> xlefay: thanks for the help
[16:29:31] <NCommander> What we need is a true voting platform
[16:29:48] <drcoolbp> ^^^
[16:30:02] * NCommander notes he is quite happy with his day of shopping
[16:30:06] <NCommander> I found an awesome keyring
[16:30:46] <FatPhil> if we could make poll-booth logged-in, and only one vote per uid (capped to the current uid, so people can't create sockpuppets), then surely the page that displays the results can just be disabled during the poll?
[16:30:53] <mechanicjay|zzz> true, but it's not a vote for political office or anything. I feel like we're in danger of some sort of engineers dilema. You know, over think and over plan because. Perfection is the enemy of the good enough and all that.
[16:31:18] * stderr got a sweet keyring too... Just a little bit big... -rw-r--r-- 1 poho poho 28082018 Mar 10 13:37 pubring.gpg
[16:31:22] <NCommander> mechanicjay|zzz, Hrm ... what if we bastardize pollbooth for now
[16:31:24] <stderr> But look at the timestamp!!!
[16:31:36] <NCommander> I *think* I can patch it to do that without too much pain
[16:31:49] <NCommander> though we're going to need some ugly SQL to record votes
[16:32:07] <NCommander> https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net - my keyring (in RL, stderr you smartass :-P)
[16:32:27] <drcoolbp> NCommander: just forwarded an SQL(among other things like JS and Perl) volunteer to paulej72
[16:32:40] <stderr> NCommander: Bigger version: https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net
[16:32:53] <NCommander> stderr, thanks
[16:33:00] <NCommander> Yeah, I found a LEGO store in Singapore today
[16:33:05] <NCommander> I MIGHT have fanboied :-P
[16:33:47] <stderr> So first "SoylentNews or whatever the name might be"-meeting will not take place in Amsterdam or somewhere in the US, but in Billund? :-)
[16:34:00] <mechanicjay|zzz> NCommander: yeah, I don'y know, if we're going to be doing alot of this, it seemslike extending the slash polls to do what we want may be the best long term soln. Though as my nick says, I'm still sleeping, so I'm not sure my opinion should be taken very seriously ATM.
[16:34:19] * NCommander injects liquid caffeine in mechanicjay|zzz
[16:34:41] <drcoolbp> mechanicjay|zzz: I'm in my mailbox
[16:34:45] * FatPhil has been to legoland. Me and a friend were the only people there without kids!
[16:34:47] <stderr> http://www.legoland.dk
[16:34:49] <NCommander> mechanicjay|zzz, well, I think we need something for "now" then get something finalized in the site constituion (likely in the bylaws of the NFP), which will define the specific voting process, methodology, etc.
[16:35:01] <NCommander> FatPhil, I might have seen the LEGO movie more times than is healthy
[16:35:37] <mechanicjay|zzz> NCommander: 3 hrs of sleep = not enough. Getting more coffee is a requirement.
[16:35:56] <mechanicjay|zzz> NCommander: yeah, that makes sense.
[16:36:19] <mechanicjay|zzz> drcoolbp: that's something! Was up till almost 5 fixing the mailing lists after you singed off last night.
[16:36:22] <stderr> Until I heard about the problems with Condorcet, my vote (LOL) was on something like devotee (AKA What Debian uses).
[16:36:26] <NCommander> The other thing is that if we use pollbooth on the site, it currently is only limited one
[16:36:41] <NCommander> stderr, I was unaware of the problems of Condorcet
[16:36:47] * NCommander actually setup debvotee once ...
[16:36:52] <drcoolbp> mechanicjay|zzz: the changepassword success page should redirect to login page
[16:36:57] * NCommander has setup most of the Debian infrastructure at one point or another
[16:37:02] <stderr> Me too until FatPhil told me.
[16:37:40] <mechanicjay|zzz> drcoolbp: yeah, but the behavior is inconsistent I found. After changing and going back in withough a browser restart you may get a 404.
[16:37:51] <drcoolbp> ah
[16:37:58] <mechanicjay|zzz> Though, I might have been a special case because I was testing with a couple different accounts.
[16:38:07] <drcoolbp> maybe just a message that says "you may need to login again"
[16:38:40] <mechanicjay|zzz> I'm going to grab the lastest release of the plugin when I get a chance, what's running is the version that came bundled with postfixadmin -- there may be a fix or a newer release
[16:39:00] <drcoolbp> I just sent an email to you
[16:39:10] * NCommander grumbles
[16:39:13] <stderr> FatPhil: The problem with Condorcet, is it still there, if people don't know ahead of time what others will vote? Wouldn't it most of the time make most sense to vote on your candidates instead of not voting at all?
[16:39:16] <NCommander> Dealing with slash gives me indigestion
[16:39:19] <NCommander> When do we need this be?
[16:39:41] <mechanicjay|zzz> drcoolbp: Cool, yeah let me know how it works out.
[16:39:50] <stderr> Well... We did says 10 hours ago... :-)
[16:39:56] <drcoolbp> I will, I'll try to setup IMAP on my iPhone today too
[16:40:11] <mechanicjay|zzz> alright, gotta run folks -- catch you later.
[16:40:18] <drcoolbp> later sir
[16:40:36] mechanicjay|zzz is now known as mechanicjay|needssleep
[16:44:27] <NCommander> paulej72, ping, what do we have on the dev hopper?
[16:45:50] <FatPhil> no voting system's perfect in everybody's eyes.
[16:46:04] <FatPhil> Some features are more important than others to different people.
[16:47:22] <drcoolbp> true, but I'd rather have something that didn't explicitly say "don't use for anyting important unless you are insane"
[16:47:34] <NCommander> what drcoolbp said
[16:47:36] <drcoolbp> (paraphrased)
[16:48:06] <stderr> Can we, as a start, name the features we want and what we don't want?
[16:50:38] <stderr> I would like: Result unknown until voting is over... One vote per users (but maybe allow users to change their vote, i.e. forget their old vote, before the voting is over?)... Only allowed signed-in users with a "low enough" uid to vote...
[16:52:00] <stderr> Depending on the voting system we choose "one vote" doesn't mean "one X on the ballot"... It could be "one ordered list of choices" or "One yes/no answer per candidate" or whatever the voting system is using...
[16:52:02] <NCommander> stderr, my thoughts here is we can set the max UID, and min karma requirements in the pollbooth creation options. Show the option you voted for, allow vote cancellation, show totals when polls close.
[16:52:26] <NCommander> stderr, well, my quick and dirty thought here to rewrite parts of pollbooth as our stopgap
[16:52:32] <NCommander> Which would be "winner-takes-all" system
[16:52:51] <NCommander> Once we're got the pressure to let up a bit, we can sit down and rewrite something better
[16:52:52] <mattie_p> I suspect we won't get a winner in the first round though
[16:53:16] <NCommander> mattie_p, then pair two names off against each other like a championship, and rotate the poll daily
[16:53:19] <stderr> Do we want something like "md5sum(secret+uid+vote)" so people can check if their vote was counted? (Debian does something like that for some elections as far as I know.)
[16:53:22] <NCommander> We'll have a name in two weeks :-P
[16:53:44] <NCommander> stderr, to be published at the end of the election?
[16:53:50] <mattie_p> march madness for site name? it could work, I guess
[16:54:13] <NCommander> mattie_p, I'm not super happy about it, but I'm coming up short in sitenames
[16:54:31] <NCommander> er
[16:54:37] <NCommander> coming up short in quick to implement ideas
[16:54:44] <stderr> NCommander: Yes. Something like "md5sum#0 voted geekcard, nerdcard", "md5sum#1 voted baconnews"...
[16:55:27] <NCommander> stderr, needs to be something hard to reverse engineer
[16:55:34] -!- xyzzyyzzyx [xyzzyyzzyx!~48f3b602@72.243.zhg.v] has joined #staff
[16:55:44] <NCommander> the only bits of information we have is user+uid+email (which may be public)
[16:56:32] <stderr> When you say "two names off against each other", do you mean we start with 8 names, then have 4 pairs and eliminate 4 names... Then have 2 pair between the remaining 4 names... etc.
[16:56:36] <stderr> Or what?
[16:57:00] <mattie_p> that is one option
[16:57:01] <NCommander> stderr, ding ding ding. If you've ever seen the GamesFAQ poll
[16:57:04] <stderr> NCommander: That's the "secret" part of the md5sum(secret+uid+vote).
[16:57:07] <NCommander> when the vote most awesome character
[16:57:13] <NCommander> stderr, how do we generate a secret?
[16:57:22] <stderr> random?
[16:57:40] <NCommander> The problem with doing max ID is that for the next election
[16:57:46] <NCommander> a ton of sleeper accounts are going to come out of nowhere
[16:58:12] <stderr> True, so we need the "good karma"...
[16:58:23] <NCommander> So you get an account up to 50, then let it set
[16:58:24] <stderr> "Active" isn't enough cause that means SPAM!!!
[16:58:29] <NCommander> We need a karma aging system :-/
[16:58:37] <stderr> Doesn't karma drop after a while?
[16:58:44] <NCommander> Nope
[16:58:55] <stderr> Mine dropped at one point and I don't think I got that many -1's...
[16:59:45] <stderr> Is karma--; once a day too much? Once a week?
[17:00:27] <stderr> If(karma>0) that is... :-)
[17:01:19] <NCommander> I feel karma should age towards 0
[17:01:29] <NCommander> So negative karma goes away, postive karma inflates
[17:01:48] <NCommander> We could drop .5 a point per day, the same as one negative moderation
[17:07:09] * NCommander is going to officially come back from VAC on Monday
[17:07:12] * NCommander exhales
[17:07:41] <stderr> Ok, I thought it was stored as an int, so karma-=0.5; wouldn't do anything at all.
[17:07:49] <NCommander> Ah crap
[17:07:56] <NCommander> stderr, no, its float
[17:07:56] <NCommander> SoylentNews Slashd Error Alert!
[17:07:56] <NCommander> SLASHD line 165 produced the following error:
[17:07:56] <NCommander> tagbox.pl odd exit (status 25, signal 0)
[17:07:59] <NCommander> w00t
[17:08:11] <NCommander> I love it when Slash gives me official emails telling me it suicided
[17:08:17] <mattie_p> its a float and it only goes up to 50?
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[17:08:26] <NCommander> "joy"
[17:08:28] <NCommander> mattie_p, capped in code
[17:08:43] <mattie_p> well, I realize that, but it seems a little overkill, no?
[17:08:54] <NCommander> yeah
[17:08:54] <NCommander> wow
[17:08:54] <NCommander> That was a bad idea
[17:09:10] <NCommander> mattie_p, I didn't write the damn thing :-/
[17:09:25] <mattie_p> let's see, I want to store a number between -10 (or whatever) and 50. I know, lets use a float!
[17:09:44] <NCommander> -25/50
[17:09:46] <NCommander> And yeah
[17:09:52] <stderr> mattie_p: How else would you store karma=e or karma=pi?
[17:09:54] <NCommander> You can set every moderation to have a different value
[17:09:57] <mattie_p> Even an int gives better, and instead of capping at 50 with a decimal place,
[17:10:00] <NCommander> So you could make float be .75
[17:10:05] <NCommander> er
[17:10:11] <NCommander> Make funny be worth .75 karma
[17:10:17] <NCommander> and flamebait -1
[17:10:22] <NCommander> Oh
[17:10:26] <NCommander> And those are a table in the DB :-)
[17:10:28] <mattie_p> yeah, but with int just multiply the decimal by 10 or 100 and it still works out
[17:10:31] <NCommander> They're not hardcoded
[17:10:42] <mattie_p> I think it can be changed in backslash, IIRC
[17:10:45] <stderr> Like everything else... Including the damn DST settings?!
[17:10:49] <mattie_p> but not going to touch it
[17:11:16] <NCommander> stderr, my personal favorite: the dropdown box for "Discussion Types" (Threaded, Flat, Nested, No Comments) exists as a table in the database
[17:11:30] <mattie_p> can I have my karma set to pi tomorrow? it's 3/14, aka pi day
[17:11:38] <mattie_p> the most irrational day of the year
[17:12:03] <NCommander> cimal by 10 or 100 and it still works out
[17:12:03] <NCommander> <mattie_p> I think it can be changed in backslash,
[17:12:04] <NCommander> er
[17:12:05] <NCommander> INSERT INTO commentmodes (mode, name, description) VALUES ('flat','Flat','');
[17:12:06] <NCommander> INSERT INTO commentmodes (mode, name, description) VALUES ('nested','Nested','');
[17:12:06] <NCommander> INSERT INTO commentmodes (mode, name, description) VALUES ('thread','Threaded','');
[17:12:06] <NCommander> INSERT INTO commentmodes (mode, name, description) VALUES ('nocomment','No Comments','');
[17:12:18] <stderr> mattie_p: This whole month is x/3/14...
[17:12:30] <NCommander> No wonder we've been so non-rational
[17:12:31] * NCommander ducks
[17:12:40] <stderr> Oh... My...
[17:13:13] <stderr> I like that none of them have a description... :-)
[17:13:33] <stderr> At least put "Flat comment mode"...
[17:13:38] <NCommander> stderr, they did that so they can use the "getDescription" method too
[17:13:42] * NCommander bangs head repeatively
[17:14:19] <NCommander> Or the DST table
[17:14:44] <stderr> I heard that the polls are hardcoded to 8 options. Is that one row with 8 fields or is it more of a template problem?
[17:15:20] <NCommander> INSERT INTO vars (name, value, description) VALUES ('allow_anon_poll_voting', '1', 'Set this to decide whether anonymous users can vote in polls)');
[17:15:21] <NCommander> Huh
[17:15:22] <NCommander> Interesting
[17:15:25] <NCommander> That MIGHT be useful
[17:15:45] <mattie_p> just might be
[17:15:46] <stderr> Oh, BTW... Those .deb packages you made... Where can I find those? It seems unlikely I'll ever get the VM up and running, but maybe I can use the .debs instead.
[17:15:47] <NCommander> CREATE TABLE auto_poll (
[17:15:48] <NCommander> id MEDIUMINT UNSIGNED NOT NULL auto_increment,
[17:15:48] <NCommander> primaryskid SMALLINT UNSIGNED,
[17:15:48] <NCommander> qid mediumint UNSIGNED,
[17:15:48] <NCommander> PRIMARY KEY (id)
[17:15:48] <NCommander> ) ENGINE=InnoDB;
[17:15:50] <NCommander> I feel like there's some SQL missing
[17:15:59] <NCommander> stderr, I have to upload them
[17:16:03] * NCommander sighs
[17:16:14] <NCommander> stderr, 95% of them are already in archive, there are only two that required packaging
[17:16:17] <mattie_p> can we have that set as a field when creating a poll? that might be useful too
[17:16:21] * NCommander is still very burned out from all the drama
[17:16:51] <mattie_p> can't say I blame you
[17:18:08] <NCommander> I'm honestly waiting for the other shoe to drop
[17:18:27] <NCommander> brb
[17:19:49] <matt_> no shoes will drop.
[17:19:51] * matt_ applies soothing anti-drama cream.
[17:20:12] <mattie_p> do you market that? You should get on that, matt_
[17:20:27] <NCommander> matt_, you could become rich on that
[17:20:35] * drcoolbp aggrees
[17:20:43] <stderr> matt_: Tastes like strawberry and smells like pine trees?
[17:20:46] <drcoolbp> er "agrees"
[17:21:05] <FatPhil> just put on your peril-sensitive sunglasses
[17:21:09] * matt_ is developing a line of soothing products including: pitchfork-wound balm, cat-reppelant, (what else?)
[17:21:22] <stderr> B-gone?
[17:21:32] <mattie_p> no, we're herding cats. We need to attract them, not repel them
[17:21:45] <drcoolbp> yeah but we might want to soothe them
[17:21:46] <mattie_p> torch ointment
[17:21:51] <drcoolbp> matt_ get on that please sir.
[17:22:56] * matt_ can't remember how to add things to his to do list. oh, well.
[17:23:11] <drcoolbp> !todo
[17:23:16] <drcoolbp> ..........
[17:23:28] <drcoolbp> .op
[17:23:28] -!- mode/#staff [+o drcoolbp] by buttercake
[17:23:31] <xlefay> heh.. why do you always want to do me?
[17:23:32] <drcoolbp> !todo
[17:23:39] <xlefay> > !done 1
[17:23:42] <drcoolbp> .voice toomanynicknames
[17:23:42] -!- mode/#staff [+v toomanynicknames] by buttercake
[17:23:48] <drcoolbp> .deop
[17:23:48] -!- mode/#staff [-o drcoolbp] by buttercake
[17:23:58] * drcoolbp is learning slowly
[17:24:02] <drcoolbp> !todo
[17:24:02] <toomanynicknames> todo for mrcoolbp: 1) xlefay 2) get jowl bacon 3) 1 done
[17:24:08] <xlefay> You can just do .voice without .op and such ;)
[17:24:10] <drcoolbp> !done 1
[17:24:10] <toomanynicknames> 1 item deleted
[17:24:24] <drcoolbp> !todo
[17:24:24] <toomanynicknames> todo for mrcoolbp: 1) get jowl bacon 2) 1 done
[17:24:28] <drcoolbp> !done 2
[17:24:28] <toomanynicknames> 1 item deleted
[17:24:50] <drcoolbp> matt_ try "!todo [thing]" ?
[17:25:04] <matt_> !todo
[17:25:04] <toomanynicknames> nothing todo for matt_ ;]
[17:25:25] <matt_> !todo something
[17:25:25] <toomanynicknames> todo item 1 added
[17:25:25] <NCommander> !todo
[17:25:28] <mattie_p> !todo go grocery shopping
[17:25:28] <toomanynicknames> todo item 9 added
[17:25:29] <toomanynicknames> todo for ncommander: 1) make sure install-slashsite installs proper schema 2) port slash to mod_perl 2 3) Linode migration across accounts - ask support 4) rewrite org chart 5) get name change discussion rolling 6) quit smoking 7) handle DNS registar crap 8) confirm w/ paulej72 that we are good to TRANSFORM AND ROLLOUT 9) rename Janek Kozicki to cosurgi 10) staff allhands - 1 more
[17:25:50] <xlefay> !more
[17:25:50] <toomanynicknames> email
[17:25:55] <stderr> Something completely different: Is anyone here located in or near Oakland, CA?
[17:25:57] <drcoolbp> NCommander done 3 ??
[17:26:13] <NCommander> !todo-done 3
[17:26:13] <toomanynicknames> 1 item deleted
[17:26:15] <drcoolbp> NCommander done 5 ??
[17:26:21] <NCommander> !todo-done 5
[17:26:22] <toomanynicknames> 1 item deleted
[17:26:22] <stderr> AKA 4...
[17:26:22] <xlefay> .. 4 now
[17:26:26] <NCommander> Kinda docrap
[17:26:28] <drcoolbp> oh shit
[17:26:28] <NCommander> crap
[17:26:33] <NCommander> !todo
[17:26:33] <toomanynicknames> todo for ncommander: 1) make sure install-slashsite installs proper schema 2) port slash to mod_perl 2 3) rewrite org chart 4) get name change discussion rolling 5) handle DNS registar crap 6) confirm w/ paulej72 that we are good to TRANSFORM AND ROLLOUT 7) rename Janek Kozicki to cosurgi 8) staff allhands email
[17:26:41] <drcoolbp> rewrite org chart
[17:26:49] <drcoolbp> but that has been started a la mattie
[17:26:50] <xlefay> guess you finally managed to quit smoking ;)
[17:26:51] <NCommander> Eh, mattie_p basically did that for me
[17:26:59] <NCommander> If it was only THAT easy
[17:27:02] <NCommander> !todo quit smoking
[17:27:02] <toomanynicknames> todo item 9 added
[17:27:05] <xlefay> haha I know
[17:27:09] <NCommander> !todo-done 8
[17:27:09] <toomanynicknames> 1 item deleted
[17:27:09] <drcoolbp> ah /me is dumb
[17:27:18] <NCommander> !todo
[17:27:18] <toomanynicknames> todo for ncommander: 1) make sure install-slashsite installs proper schema 2) port slash to mod_perl 2 3) rewrite org chart 4) get name change discussion rolling 5) handle DNS registar crap 6) confirm w/ paulej72 that we are good to TRANSFORM AND ROLLOUT 7) rename Janek Kozicki to cosurgi 8) quit smoking
[17:27:26] <NCommander> !todo-done 3
[17:27:26] <toomanynicknames> 1 item deleted
[17:27:29] <NCommander> !todo
[17:27:29] <xlefay> (you can also set priorities and crap)
[17:27:30] <toomanynicknames> todo for ncommander: 1) make sure install-slashsite installs proper schema 2) port slash to mod_perl 2 3) get name change discussion rolling 4) handle DNS registar crap 5) confirm w/ paulej72 that we are good to TRANSFORM AND ROLLOUT 6) rename Janek Kozicki to cosurgi 7) quit smoking
[17:27:42] <NCommander> !todo-done 4
[17:27:42] <toomanynicknames> 1 item deleted
[17:27:48] <NCommander> That's slightly more managable
[17:27:50] <NCommander> !todo
[17:27:50] <toomanynicknames> todo for ncommander: 1) make sure install-slashsite installs proper schema 2) port slash to mod_perl 2 3) get name change discussion rolling 4) confirm w/ paulej72 that we are good to TRANSFORM AND ROLLOUT 5) rename Janek Kozicki to cosurgi 6) quit smoking
[17:27:52] <stderr> 3?
[17:28:01] <NCommander> stderr, its rolling but ...
[17:28:08] <mattie_p> NCommander, that's what I'm here to do, do the stuff that you can do, but don't really need to personallly address
[17:28:09] <xlefay> also... todo should start at 0
[17:28:14] <NCommander> !todo look at rewiring pollbooth for SERIOUS votes
[17:28:14] <toomanynicknames> todo item 7 added
[17:28:21] <NCommander> !todo-done 3
[17:28:21] <toomanynicknames> 1 item deleted
[17:28:23] <stderr> That renaming in no. 5 is that the same that would also rename me from stderr_dk to stderr?
[17:28:38] <mattie_p> xlefay let's not start a counting debate here. this isn't an array
[17:28:43] <NCommander> stderr, ....
[17:28:47] <NCommander> !todo stderr
[17:28:47] <toomanynicknames> todo item 7 added
[17:28:54] <drcoolbp> ew
[17:28:59] <NCommander> gah
[17:28:59] <NCommander> shit
[17:28:59] * NCommander does NOT want to do stderr
[17:28:59] <mattie_p> !grab NCommander
[17:29:00] <toomanynicknames> Added quote 10
[17:29:04] <mattie_p> dammit
[17:29:05] <NCommander> !todo-done 7
[17:29:05] <toomanynicknames> 1 item deleted
[17:29:07] <mattie_p> missed it
[17:29:11] <drcoolbp> haha
[17:29:31] <stderr> "!todo Sell code for serious pollbooth to /. for $1M..."?
[17:29:38] <mattie_p> can we delete quotes we don't want?
[17:29:38] <NCommander> !todo stderr -> stderr_dk
[17:29:38] <toomanynicknames> todo item 7 added
[17:29:56] <mattie_p> !quote 10
[17:29:56] <toomanynicknames> Quote 10 - <NCommander> shit
[17:30:02] <drcoolbp> haha
[17:30:02] <mattie_p> actually, that works
[17:30:09] <drcoolbp> yeah he says that a lot
[17:30:13] <stderr> NCommander: Other way...
[17:30:20] <NCommander> !quote NCommander
[17:30:20] <toomanynicknames> Quote 1 - <NCommander> mattie_p, I dunno, are you going to mail me an explosive device if I have you edit ANOTHER 3k novel?
[17:30:24] <toomanynicknames> Also in quotes: 4, 7, 8, 9, 10
[17:30:36] <NCommander> AHAHAHAHAHAHA
[17:30:55] <NCommander> >:-)
[17:30:56] <stderr> stderr{_,\.}dk -> stderr
[17:31:07] <stderr> Actually stderr.* -> stderr
[17:31:09] <mattie_p> !quote 4
[17:31:09] <toomanynicknames> Quote 4 - <NCommander> mattie_p: because I've been riding you like a cheap slut and think you could use some downtime?
[17:31:14] <mattie_p> !quote 7
[17:31:14] <toomanynicknames> Quote 7 - <NCommander> Cats go physco when you light them on fire
[17:31:15] <drcoolbp> hahahaha
[17:31:18] <NCommander> stderr, right, so I have to do you again?
[17:31:20] <mattie_p> !quote 8
[17:31:20] <toomanynicknames> Quote 8 - <stderr> mattie_p: OMFSM! I'm so tired I misread that as "mattie_p pees in NCommander's direction :)"...
[17:31:28] <NCommander> !grab NCommander
[17:31:28] <toomanynicknames> Added quote 11
[17:31:28] <drcoolbp> omh
[17:31:29] <mattie_p> !quote 9
[17:31:29] <toomanynicknames> Quote 9 - <NCommander> I SHALL SMOOTHER THEM WITH PAPERWORK
[17:31:40] <drcoolbp> ROFMAO
[17:31:56] <mattie_p> !quote mattie_p
[17:31:56] <toomanynicknames> Quote 1 - <NCommander> mattie_p, I dunno, are you going to mail me an explosive device if I have you edit ANOTHER 3k novel?
[17:32:00] <toomanynicknames> Also in quotes: 4, 8
[17:32:06] <stderr> NCommander: No, you shall only do me once... But do me right... Not: <NCommander> !todo stderr -> stderr_dk
[17:32:07] <NCommander> You know, I noticed most of my quotes have to do with mattie_p. I smell the start of a wonderful bromance.
[17:32:19] <mattie_p> !grab NCommander
[17:32:19] <toomanynicknames> Added quote 12
[17:32:20] <NCommander> !grab stderr
[17:32:20] <toomanynicknames> Added quote 13
[17:32:24] <mattie_p> sure seems that way
[17:32:27] <NCommander> ...
[17:32:29] <stderr> (I knew it...)
[17:32:30] <NCommander> !quote 12
[17:32:30] <toomanynicknames> Quote 12 - <NCommander> You know, I noticed most of my quotes have to do with mattie_p. I smell the start of a wonderful bromance.
[17:32:34] <NCommander> What got quoted
[17:32:38] <drcoolbp> https://www.google.com
[17:32:42] <drcoolbp> bromance ^
[17:32:46] <mattie_p> !quote 13
[17:32:46] <toomanynicknames> Quote 13 - <stderr> NCommander: No, you shall only do me once... But do me right... Not: <NCommander> !todo stderr -> stderr_dk
[17:32:57] <NCommander> !todo
[17:32:58] <toomanynicknames> todo for ncommander: 1) make sure install-slashsite installs proper schema 2) port slash to mod_perl 2 3) confirm w/ paulej72 that we are good to TRANSFORM AND ROLLOUT 4) rename Janek Kozicki to cosurgi 5) quit smoking 6) look at rewiring pollbooth for SERIOUS votes 7) stderr -> stderr_dk
[17:33:07] <NCommander> You know, when the quote database gets big enough
[17:33:18] <stderr> NCommander: Todo 8: Fix todo 7...
[17:33:19] <NCommander> We should feed it into the slashcode QOTD mechanism
[17:33:21] <NCommander> !todo 7
[17:33:21] <toomanynicknames> todo item 8 added
[17:33:23] <NCommander> ...
[17:33:28] <NCommander> Oops
[17:33:35] <NCommander> !todo-done 7 8
[17:33:35] <toomanynicknames> 2 items deleted
[17:33:51] <NCommander> !todo rename stderr_dk -> stderr
[17:33:51] <toomanynicknames> todo item 7 added
[17:33:59] <NCommander> stderr, christ, your more high maintence than my ex
[17:34:20] <drcoolbp> he can be yes
[17:34:29] <drcoolbp> but we love him just the same
[17:34:49] <drcoolbp> love in the "most heterosexual way"
[17:34:52] <NCommander> I dunno, I just want to do close(STDERR)
[17:35:00] <NCommander> Pipes are variable, I shouldn't waste one on pointless errors
[17:35:05] <NCommander> *valuable
[17:36:02] * NCommander debates smoking
[17:37:34] <drcoolbp> I gotta get ready for work people
[17:37:47] <drcoolbp> gonna disconnect, nice chattin' with y'all
[17:38:35] <mattie_p> well, I'm heading to the store, time for shopping trip
[17:38:41] <mattie_p> see you later
[17:38:46] <drcoolbp> laters all!
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[17:40:34] * NCommander smoked
[17:40:48] <NCommander> :-)-
[17:40:48] <NCommander> Actually
[17:40:48] <NCommander> :-)-****
[17:41:05] <NCommander> Or
[17:41:14] <NCommander> :-)_ooOO
[17:42:44] <NCommander> I dunno
[17:42:44] <NCommander> I think we should put quotes on a page on the wiki
[17:42:44] * NCommander notes that's what we do at work
[17:47:32] <stderr> Was anyone here located in or near Oakland, CA?
[17:59:46] <paulej72> NCommander sorry I was out to lunch and forgot to set my nick
[18:01:01] <paulej72> What I have as a pull request is updates to the moderation sidebox that users the wording from the index head along with some ohter small fixes.
[18:01:19] <paulej72> I have not had anyone officially sign off on them yet
[18:02:10] <paulej72> I also am currently reworking the preferences and menus. All changes can be seen on slashcott.org
[18:05:41] <paulej72> Also I do not want to merge crutchy's commit as it really would disturb the UI without fixing some other issues with comments first
[18:07:24] <stderr> Anyway... If one of you happens to be in Oakland... And happens to visit sudoroom... And "juul" happens to be there too... Say hi from stderr. :-)
[18:08:35] <stderr> Why? Because it would be weird...
[18:27:44] <NCommander> FatPhil, initial comments to your emails finally written
[18:27:48] * NCommander apologizes on the timelag on that
[19:14:16] <Landon> it is disturbing getting emails dated march 14
[19:16:42] <paulej72> bbl
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[21:01:52] <MrBluze> verbose
[21:01:55] <MrBluze> the emails
[21:02:05] <MrBluze> i gtg work
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[22:37:19] <paulej72> hello all, just woke up from a nap. I am fighting a cold
[22:38:21] <mattie_p> colds suck
[22:38:25] <mattie_p> colds--
[22:38:25] <baaaacon> karma - colds: -1
[22:38:50] <paulej72> colds--
[22:38:50] <baaaacon> karma - colds: -2
[22:39:32] <mattie_p> is NCommander actually still in charge?
[22:39:41] <mattie_p> NCommander: you here?
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[23:50:20] <paulej72> FatPhil: are you around?