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[14:18:27] <janrinok> Bytram, ping
[14:23:00] <Bytram> gnop!
[14:23:12] <Bytram> How *are* you?
[14:26:28] <janrinok> just woken up from a nap and sorting myself/us out for a cup of tea
[14:26:39] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:27:10] <janrinok> changed the clocks last night which should have given me an extra hour in bed but S was having problems and I ended up losing a few hours instead of gaining one
[14:27:24] <janrinok> how about you?
[14:27:33] <Bytram> so sorry to hear that!
[14:28:00] <Bytram> Got to bed too late, but slept pretty well. Will take a nap later.
[14:28:12] <Bytram> Can you give me 5 or so minutes?
[14:28:15] <janrinok> just one of the recurring things that happens to S from time to time - nothing we can do about it
[14:28:23] <janrinok> yep - I'm still making tea
[14:28:44] <Bytram> k c u soon.
[14:35:38] <Bytram> back
[14:35:43] <janrinok> k
[14:36:14] <janrinok> where abouts are you wrt installing TB?
[14:36:38] <Bytram> I *have* looked up docs on how to move Thunderbird (TB) profiles, but still in the planning stages.
[14:36:51] <Bytram> I have never run TB on Dewey
[14:38:08] <Bytram> My files on Huey (windows) were copied while TB was running (well, the machine was coming out of hibernation when I got BSODs), so program state is questionable
[14:38:24] <janrinok> have you recovered the profile from your backup - which I think is now copied onto your SSD?
[14:39:36] <Bytram> oh, and I have about ~20 mail accounts -- most are IMAP (I *think*) but I might have a couple that were ... whatever the other format is.
[14:39:39] <Bytram> yes
[14:40:07] <Bytram> (My *intent* was to have local copies of all of my email)
[14:40:09] <janrinok> no matter what time it stopped saving data, that backup is all you have. You might have had settings such that things that you download from your various mail servers remain there until they are safely stored on TB, in which case any that were not are still on your IMAP servers
[14:40:41] <janrinok> so you probably haven't lost anything
[14:41:01] <Bytram> So, in a way, I'm asking is IMAP the way that email is stored local to my machine?
[14:41:40] <Bytram> Also, I have on a couple occasions, used Yahoo's Browser interface to check a few emails
[14:41:58] <janrinok> I can't tell you that until you install your backup - but it doesn't make any difference unless you have been using TB on dewey since you installed linux
[14:42:08] <Bytram> but, I have been trying to stay away from making any more changes than absolutely necessart
[14:42:28] <Bytram> never used TB here (Dewey)
[14:42:31] <janrinok> normally, the process is very simple - and I hope it will be the same in this case.
[14:42:37] <Bytram> :D
[14:44:23] <janrinok> Good. TB keeps its config in a directory called .thunderbird in your home directory. That directory should not yet exist so you can create a directory there yourself using CLI or GUI
[14:44:54] <Bytram> FWIW, I have already tracked down my TB profiles on windows... found it split between:
[14:44:59] <Bytram> (1) ~/WinSSD/Users/bytram/AppData/Local/Thunderbird/Profiles/jhu9q2k7.default and
[14:45:02] <Bytram> (2) ~/WinSSD/Users/bytram/AppData/Roaming/Thunderbird/Profiles/jhu9q2k7.default
[14:45:15] <Bytram> but...
[14:45:26] <janrinok> not sure why you have 2 configs
[14:45:43] <Bytram> there is another, much older profile in both locations, as well.
[14:46:07] <Bytram> the Roaming one seems to be where the emails actually exist
[14:46:15] <Bytram> just a sec
[14:46:26] <janrinok> just use the newest you can find. You can try to rescue the old data later if you think it contains something important
[14:47:25] <Bytram> cd ~ && ls -al
[14:47:45] <Bytram> shows there *is* a .thunderbird directory
[14:48:27] <janrinok> that's ok if it already exists
[14:49:12] <Bytram> Hold on...
[14:49:21] <janrinok> TB is installed by default so probably set up a default directory too. If you start TB it will probably only ask you to create an account - you can try it if you want
[14:49:47] <Bytram> PASTE_BEGIN
[14:49:49] <Bytram> martyb@E6410-001:~/.thunderbird$ ls -alr --full-time
[14:49:49] <Bytram> total 32
[14:49:49] <Bytram> drwx------ 2 martyb martyb 4096 2020-02-23 15:59:07.457267902 -0500 xaahc7c6.default
[14:49:49] <Bytram> -rw-rw-r-- 1 martyb martyb 259 2020-02-23 15:59:07.457267902 -0500 profiles.ini
[14:49:49] <Bytram> drwx------ 2 martyb martyb 4096 2020-02-23 15:59:07.353270330 -0500 'Pending Pings'
[14:49:50] <Bytram> -rw-rw-r-- 1 martyb martyb 62 2020-02-23 15:59:07.457267902 -0500 installs.ini
[14:49:52] <Bytram> drwx------ 6 martyb martyb 4096 2020-02-23 15:59:16.409073676 -0500 e8gfvrif.default-release
[14:49:54] <Bytram> drwx------ 3 martyb martyb 4096 2020-02-23 15:59:07.357270237 -0500 'Crash Reports'
[14:49:56] <Bytram> drwxr-xr-x 26 martyb martyb 4096 2020-10-24 08:46:02.912016246 -0400 ..
[14:49:58] <Bytram> drwx------ 6 martyb martyb 4096 2020-02-23 15:59:07.457267902 -0500 .
[14:50:00] <Bytram> martyb@E6410-001:~/.thunderbird$
[14:50:02] <Bytram> PASTE_END
[14:50:22] <Bytram> that was as much for my benefit as for yours (posterity++)
[14:50:39] <janrinok> they all date back to Feb of this year
[14:51:01] <janrinok> assuming you have been using TB since then, they are probably not the configs you want
[14:51:23] <Bytram> So, prolly from the 20.04.1 release (I never used TB here)
[14:51:34] <Bytram> agreed
[14:52:46] <janrinok> from your backups - find the most recent - or the biggest. Hopefully they will be the same one....
[14:54:04] <Bytram> you mean profile dir?
[14:54:14] <janrinok> yep, and put it in the .thunderbird directory
[14:56:02] <Bytram> PASTE_BEGIN
[14:56:03] <Bytram> martyb@E6410-001:~/WinSSD/Users/bytram/AppData/Roaming/Thunderbird/Profiles/jhu9q2k7.default$ ls -ltrd * | tail
[14:56:03] <Bytram> -rwxrwxrwx 1 martyb martyb 6252 Oct 13 10:44 addons.json
[14:56:03] <Bytram> -rwxrwxrwx 1 martyb martyb 1745 Oct 13 10:49 SiteSecurityServiceState.txt
[14:56:03] <Bytram> -rwxrwxrwx 1 martyb martyb 7850 Oct 13 15:12 xulstore.json
[14:56:03] <Bytram> -rwxrwxrwx 1 martyb martyb 378 Oct 13 15:14 session.json
[14:56:04] <Bytram> -rwxrwxrwx 1 martyb martyb 446529536 Oct 14 07:04 global-messages-db.sqlite
[14:56:06] <Bytram> -rwxrwxrwx 1 martyb martyb 2098720 Oct 14 07:40 places.sqlite-wal
[14:56:10] <Bytram> -rwxrwxrwx 1 martyb martyb 5242880 Oct 14 07:40 places.sqlite
[14:56:12] <Bytram> -rwxrwxrwx 1 martyb martyb 1892066 Oct 14 08:59 panacea.dat
[14:56:14] <Bytram> drwxrwxrwx 2 martyb martyb 4096 Oct 14 09:03 datareporting
[14:56:16] <Bytram> -rwxrwxrwx 1 martyb martyb 86295 Oct 14 09:03 prefs.js
[14:56:18] <Bytram> martyb@E6410-001:~/WinSSD/Users/bytram/AppData/Roaming/Thunderbird/Profiles/jhu9q2k7.default$ du -hs .
[14:56:20] <Bytram> 1.2G .
[14:56:22] <Bytram> martyb@E6410-001:~/WinSSD/Users/bytram/AppData/Roaming/Thunderbird/Profiles/jhu9q2k7.default$
[14:56:24] <Bytram> PASTE_END
[14:56:44] <Bytram> that's the one I'm going from...
[14:56:56] <janrinok> stop
[14:57:00] <Bytram> k
[14:57:49] <janrinok> that looks safe - it isn't going to overwrite anything that it shouldn't
[14:58:08] <janrinok> copy it if you want to use it
[14:59:08] <Bytram> let me make sure I have source and dest correct before I do anything...
[14:59:33] <janrinok> take your time
[15:00:08] <janrinok> I personally would use rsync - but that is just my view and it has caused me the least number of problems
[15:01:08] <Bytram> caja, maybe? copy / paste?
[15:01:42] <janrinok> yep - they all work
[15:02:10] * janrinok notes that Bytram is using a GUI again....
[15:02:43] <Bytram> in .thunderbird, there exists a file: profiles.ini
[15:04:36] <Bytram> it points to a directory (which exists): xaahc7c6.default
[15:05:05] <Bytram> full path ~/.thunderbird/xaahc7c6.default
[15:05:38] <janrinok> yep, you can rename it, or overwrite it
[15:06:23] <Bytram> so, I'm guessing that the directory structure is slightly different... whereas WIN has a separate Profiles dir, linux does not?
[15:07:20] <janrinok> you are copying a single profile or are you copying all of your previous profiles?
[15:07:56] <Bytram> IOW, copy the *directory*: ~/WinSSD/Users/bytram/AppData/Roaming/Thunderbird/Profiles/jhu9q2k7.default TO ./thunderbird, so I end up with: ./thunderbird/jhu9q2k7.default
[15:07:58] <janrinok> you should copy the biggest profile, or the latest profile, to .thunderbird, hopefully they will both be the same profile
[15:08:18] <Bytram> is that correct?
[15:08:32] <janrinok> correct, but that shouldn't replace any existing profiles in .thunderbird
[15:08:47] <Bytram> correct. disjoint names
[15:08:51] <janrinok> don't overwrite .thunderbird itself
[15:08:56] <Bytram> right.
[15:09:23] <janrinok> but if you did it isn't important because .thunderbird is only a directory which currently contains an empty profile
[15:10:56] <Bytram> local disk copies are *SO* much faster than USB!
[15:11:11] <Bytram> done, I think. quick check
[15:11:11] <janrinok> yep
[15:11:54] <Bytram> martyb@E6410-001:~/.thunderbird$ du -hs jhu9q2k7.default/
[15:11:54] <Bytram> 1.2G jhu9q2k7.default/
[15:11:54] <Bytram> martyb@E6410-001:~/.thunderb
[15:11:58] <Bytram> :D
[15:12:08] <janrinok> OK, once you have done that pull up profiles.ini into an editor of your choice
[15:13:25] <janrinok> if you look at it it just lists the available profiles - and identifies which one is the default used when TB starts.
[15:13:37] <Bytram> yes
[15:14:19] <janrinok> I usually edit profiles.ini to include the newly copied profile into the first (default) position.
[15:14:46] <janrinok> to match the format of whatever is currently in there.
[15:15:36] <Bytram> Is wicked short...
[15:15:41] <Bytram> PASTE_BEGIN
[15:15:42] <Bytram> Name=default
[15:15:42] <Bytram> IsRelative=1
[15:15:44] <Bytram> Path=xaahc7c6.default
[15:15:46] <Bytram> Default=1
[15:15:48] <Bytram> [InstallFDC34C9F024745EB]
[15:15:50] <Bytram> Default=e8gfvrif.default-release
[15:15:52] <Bytram> Locked=1
[15:15:54] <Bytram> [Profile0]
[15:15:56] <Bytram> Name=default-release
[15:15:58] <Bytram> IsRelative=1
[15:16:00] <Bytram> Path=e8gfvrif.default-release
[15:16:02] <Bytram> [General]
[15:16:04] <Bytram> StartWithLastProfile=1
[15:16:06] <Bytram> Version=2
[15:16:10] <Bytram> PASTE_END
[15:16:33] <Bytram> (Note: blank lines were not pasted here; I assume those are just cosetic, anyway)
[15:16:34] <janrinok> once you have done that we can try to start TB and, with luck, if it is acceptable to a linux formatted profile it will just start
[15:16:43] <janrinok> k
[15:17:23] <janrinok> if it throws a wobbly don't worry, just don't create a new account but close TB down again
[15:18:04] <Bytram> So, wait. Only change *1* Line (line #4) ??
[15:18:05] <Bytram> Path=xaahc7c6.default
[15:18:15] <Bytram> to be:
[15:18:41] <Bytram> Path=jhu9q2k7.default
[15:18:45] <janrinok> yep
[15:19:07] <janrinok> if it doesn't work it is not a catastrophe - we just start again
[15:19:12] <Bytram> Huh! I'd have created another section and pointed to it. tx!
[15:19:53] <janrinok> well, if you wanted what is in xaahc7c6 then you would - but it isn't anything you have ever created is it?
[15:19:58] <Bytram> change made, profile saved.
[15:20:11] <Bytram> exactly.
[15:20:21] <Bytram> when in rome...
[15:20:50] <janrinok> if it asks you if you want to create a new account then it hasn't worked
[15:22:03] <Bytram> TB launched full screen (grr) and threw up a DialogBox (DB) titled: "Set Up an Existing Email Account"
[15:22:22] <janrinok> OK, np, back into edit mode of profile.ini
[15:22:42] <Bytram> so, close everything TB.
[15:22:46] <janrinok> yep
[15:23:26] <Bytram> ready
[15:23:48] <janrinok> OK - check it hasn't changed what you put in there on the previous edit
[15:24:04] <Bytram> ahhh, k
[15:24:05] <janrinok> check that there are no typos - unlikely, but always worth another check
[15:24:44] <Bytram> martyb@E6410-001:~/.thunderbird$ diff profiles.ini~ profiles.ini
[15:24:44] <Bytram> 4c4
[15:24:44] <Bytram> < Path=xaahc7c6.default
[15:24:44] <Bytram> ---
[15:24:44] <Bytram> > Path=jhu9q2k7.defaul
[15:24:45] <Bytram> martyb@E6410-001:~/.thunderbird$
[15:25:25] <janrinok> I got .defaul on the last line - is that an IRC error or a typo?
[15:25:26] <Bytram> and there it is, lost the "t" at the end of "default"
[15:25:36] <Bytram> changed, saved.
[15:25:44] <Bytram> lanching TB
[15:26:07] <janrinok> try again but we might need to changed the [Install....] block too
[15:26:39] <Bytram> it looks the same, but I might have fat-fingered something... gonna try again.
[15:27:13] <Bytram> yep, it was the same
[15:27:22] <janrinok> OK, but I suspect that if you change the [Install....] line to point to your profile it will work
[15:27:32] <janrinok> that's what mine does
[15:28:34] <janrinok> [Profile1]
[15:28:34] <janrinok> Name=default
[15:28:34] <janrinok> IsRelative=1
[15:28:34] <janrinok> Path=kxbal7wt.default
[15:28:35] <janrinok> Default=1
[15:28:36] <janrinok> [Profile0]
[15:28:37] <janrinok> Name=default
[15:28:39] <janrinok> IsRelative=1
[15:28:41] <janrinok> Path=2zi6s55p.default
[15:28:43] <janrinok> [General]
[15:28:45] <janrinok> StartWithLastProfile=1
[15:28:47] <janrinok> Version=2
[15:28:49] <janrinok> [InstallFDC34C9F024745EB]
[15:28:51] <janrinok> Default=kxbal7wt.default
[15:29:14] <janrinok> you will see that my profile kxbal7wt is in line 4 and the last line
[15:29:28] <Bytram> brb; bio break
[15:30:41] <janrinok> I'm expecting nurses soon so if it goes quiet they have arrived
[15:32:43] <Bytram> back
[15:34:33] <Bytram> so, your default profile is: kxbal7wt.default
[15:35:17] <Bytram> ahh, just saw what you typed
[15:38:11] <Bytram> and now it shows a bunch of accts, and is asking for the password to one of my test accounts (which I regularly saw happen on Windows)
[15:38:49] <Bytram> (test_user_0004)
[15:38:55] <Bytram> (test_user_0009)
[15:39:11] <Bytram> (test_user_0000)
[15:39:32] <Bytram> (test_user_0003)
[15:39:49] <Bytram> (test_user_0008)
[15:40:04] <Bytram> (test_user_0006)
[15:40:19] <Bytram> (test_user_0001)
[15:40:32] <Bytram> (test_user_0002)
[15:41:23] <Bytram> (Enter your password for AnonymousCoward4479@crypble.com on mail.crypble.com:)
[15:41:33] * Bytram has to look that one up
[15:43:34] <janrinok> I'm assuming that you can remember you pw or you have them listed somewhere?
[15:44:23] <Bytram> prior ones I knew... still searching for this one, but (if need be) I can do without it
[15:44:51] <janrinok> are the accounts updating from the servers?
[15:46:16] <Bytram> still dealing with password Dialog Boxes for accounts
[15:49:12] <Bytram> that login failed... am going to click [Cancel] in the D/B and move on
[15:49:51] <Bytram> (FoolTimeJob@crypble.com)
[15:50:46] <Bytram> (NCommanderTaco@crypble.com)
[15:51:56] <Bytram> (stdin@crypble.com)
[15:53:15] <Bytram> (martyb@soylentnews.org)
[15:55:29] <Bytram> (martyba@soylentnews.org)
[15:56:22] <Bytram> (bytram@soylentnews.org)
[15:57:26] <Bytram> (test_user_0005@soylentnews.org)
[15:57:58] <Bytram> (test_user_0007@soylentnews.org)
[16:01:10] <janrinok> gtg cook meals - are any of them working?
[16:02:41] <Bytram> yesa, but it's asking for PWDs again. gonna save 'em in the passowrd manager.
[16:02:45] <Bytram> thanks SO much!
[16:02:48] <Bytram> woohoo!
[16:02:52] <Bytram> janrinok++
[16:03:53] <janrinok> there is an option which tells it to remember passwords on each account - I can't look it up now but search around
[16:04:28] <janrinok> and it needs a password to send and a password to receive. It might just be cycling through each account updating itself
[16:05:32] <janrinok> suggest you make a backup of your current config (complete) and make notes on how you got there - which I think is what you usually do ;)
[16:05:47] <janrinok> gtg
[16:12:30] <Bytram> excellent points -- am getting more requests for passwords -- (to be expected) and I (now) am using the "Use Password Manager to remember this password." checkbox, now.
[18:51:21] <janrinok> Bytram, a thought that might not have occurred to you yet. Linux differs from Windows in that ALL of your configuration data that is applicable to an individual user is kept in your user directory somewhere. What many linux users do is make a tar or zip of their entire user area and save it somewhere safe.
[18:52:32] <janrinok> The advantage is, if you have to rebuild on another computer, you can just copy your user area and most of your important settings are immediately installed for you e.g ssh keys, email configuration etc
[18:53:59] <janrinok> Configuration data that applies to all users is usually found in /etc but there are some exceptions to this. However, having a tar or zip of that directory too can be very useful if you decide to move a configuration to another computer.
[18:54:49] <janrinok> Whereas in Windows, you had to search for the important data to backup, in linux it tends to be a little more regularised.
[18:54:58] <janrinok> Bytram, ^^^
[18:56:33] <janrinok> of course, if you just install 20.04.1 on another lappy, and copy your user area across you have done more than 90% of your configuration.
[19:02:41] * Bytram remembers (and misses the days of .ini files) -- I understand the thinking behind the windows registry "hive" but think the "solution" resulted in more problems than it solved, in many cases. That said (written). I do appreciate the reminder. I kind of knew/suspected that to be the case. Nice to hear it explicitly stated!
[19:03:23] <Bytram> that said, I really should take a nap before heading out this evening. Thanks again!!!
[19:04:59] <janrinok> np - soon be time for me to go to bed - tomorrow maybe. Enjoy your evening
[20:27:51] <halibut> Bytram: I responded to an earlier query you made about rsync errors. Basically, I suspect it was fine, but you could run rsync again to check (the flags in the command should prevent it from copying everything again, so it should only report things that did not copy, and only take a few minutes). I think the answers are at: https://logs.sylnt.us
[20:27:51] <systemd> ^ 03#qa | Logs for 2020-10-23 ( https://logs.sylnt.us )
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