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[00:11:55] <takyon_> TheMightyBuzzard
[00:12:09] <takyon_> got some internal server errors while trying to update https://soylentnews.org about 2 minutes ago
[00:12:11] <exec> └─ 13Error
[00:12:24] <takyon_> previewing and update
[00:12:50] <takyon_> it resolved itself in under a minute and I didn't lose any data, but just thought I'd throw it out there
[00:17:05] <takyon> read backscroll, saw that charon already got roasted
[00:17:30] <takyon> speaking of politics, look at my additions to the story: https://soylentnews.org
[00:17:32] <exec> └─ 13Error
[00:18:47] <chromas> charon_: Shirley you mean one MAGA story
[00:18:57] <chromas> make stories great again
[00:20:20] <takyon> MSGA
[00:20:32] <takyon> make articles great again = MAGA
[00:21:00] <takyon> I read soylentnews for the articles
[00:21:44] <takyon> time to come to understanding of what the heck D-Wave has actually achieved: http://www.tomshardware.com
[00:21:45] <exec> └─ 13D-Wave Launches 2,000-Qubit Quantum Annealing Computer, Announces First Customer
[00:28:25] <charon_> chromas: yes, exactly
[00:28:38] <charon_> and don't call me shirley
[00:29:54] <charon_> takyon: you know he banned the national parks service from using social media too
[00:30:01] <chromas> I read soylentnews for the porn
[00:30:14] <takyon> ah, I think I noticed that one
[00:30:21] <takyon> let me finish the d-wave sub
[00:38:31] <takyon> added national parks story
[00:42:01] <charon_> i'm goin rogue!
[00:42:38] <takyon> rogue two
[00:42:42] * charon_ re-enables the nazi punching story for 5 minutes ago
[00:45:04] * takyon sends charon_ to the river styx
[00:48:12] <charon_> good for the UK parliament. not like it will change the outcome, but at least they reasserted that the gov't does not have that authority
[00:49:03] <takyon> charon_ reads the news straight of our sub list
[00:49:10] <charon_> lol
[00:49:19] <charon_> nick and i were talking about this the other night
[00:50:08] <takyon> http://arstechnica.com
[00:50:10] <exec> └─ 13Welcome to the world of trolling in virtual reality | Ars Technica
[00:54:53] <charon_> i can't tell if that video is funny or really disturbing
[00:57:50] <takyon> haven't watched yet. debating submitting it
[00:59:02] <nick> takyon, on the brexit, headline isn't quite accurate
[00:59:11] <takyon> why
[01:00:01] <takyon> seeeems like a nitpick
[01:00:03] <nick> 'official talks' is 'article 50' and once that happens, the UK is leaving not just talking about it
[01:00:19] <nick> article 50 is approving leaving the EU
[01:00:23] <nick> not approving talking to the EU about leaving
[01:00:26] <takyon> so
[01:00:44] <takyon> let's make sure we are treating "Brexit Talks" as a compound phrase in my headline, then take it from there
[01:01:02] <charon_> hiyo nick
[01:01:15] <takyon> and if you want to change it, go ahead and do so. I submit awkward headlines all the time
[01:02:45] <nick> just giving my 2c, it's not wrong but there's more to it that could be be clearer in the headline
[01:04:00] <nick> obviously it's a story which i have a personal interest in on various levels
[01:04:41] <takyon> don't worry
[01:05:06] <takyon> America will Brexit Earth from the galactic community, nuclearly, before UK can Brexit EU.
[01:06:23] <nick> i just think it
[01:06:49] <nick> it's am important distinction between starting negotiations on something that may or may not happen... and starting negotiations on something that will happen
[01:23:23] <nick> takyon, on your joke there... i assume that will be the manifestation of the 'special-relationship' the US-UK has... Britain first in line for exiting the galactic community... The one time it won't be an America first policy, to show how strong the relationship is
[01:28:02] <nick> a global britain was too limiting for such an awesome country like the UK, an inter-galactic britain is the only way... anything else and you're just talking your country down....
[01:29:44] <charon_> does tea grow on mars?
[01:31:48] <nick> or perhaps interdimensional britain, where creators of 'innovative financial products' are treated like the heroes they are
[01:32:15] <takyon> the joke is this planet. this planet is going into the fermi's paradox dustbin of failed planets
[01:33:39] <nick> it wont be that bad, if it doesn't go well, trump can just offset the losses on his next project.
[01:34:21] <takyon> trump will hitch a ride on the muskmobile, and build golf courses on Mars. leaving Earth to DIE
[01:34:41] <takyon> Mars will be the new Elysium
[01:35:02] <charon_> huh, i guess i'm not a pessimist after all
[01:35:44] <nick> takyon, it's a strange world now... that can be taken as serious and a joke with equal ease
[01:38:54] -!- takyon_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds]
[01:40:23] <nick> they can't let the plan get out, takyon will be silenced
[01:41:17] <nick> trump is 'expected' to sign executive orders on immigration tomorrow
[01:43:10] <takyon> heard that
[01:43:22] <takyon> no slow news day anymore
[01:44:18] <nick> it's going to be a year of some serious bullshit
[01:44:56] <nick> not that it's likely to calm down in 2018
[01:45:18] <charon_> we're in the age of perpetual re-election
[01:45:48] <nick> http://www.reuters.com
[01:45:49] <exec> └─ 13Cisco to buy AppDynamics for about $3.7 billion
[01:48:21] <nick> interesting sub there about thiel getting NZ citizenship
[01:48:57] <takyon> get it in before aristarchus
[01:49:22] <charon_> heh
[01:53:01] <charon_> nick: this is the laptop you should have gotten: http://arstechnica.com
[01:53:02] <exec> └─ 13Acer Predator 21X: Hands on with a curved 21”, dual-GTX 1080 “laptop” | Ars Technica
[01:53:41] <takyon> they call it curved, I call it warped!
[01:55:07] <takyon> can't see the numbers on the numpad keys
[01:55:57] <takyon> gotta sleep, bye
[02:00:58] -!- charon_ has quit [Quit: going rogue]
[02:05:15] <nick> was only the other day... http://www.politico.com
[02:05:17] <exec> └─ 13Peter Thiel considering bid for California governor - POLITICO
[02:53:45] <Bytram> #fite Hephaestus
[02:53:45] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[02:53:56] <MrPlow> #fite Hephaestus falls broken at Bytram's feet.
[04:30:44] <charon> who dat ninja?
[04:31:15] <charon> Bytram: you broke my stork streak
[04:31:28] <charon> story... but stork too, i guess
[04:31:57] <Bytram> baby steps, padawan!
[04:32:41] <charon> i feel like punching a nazi
[04:32:45] <Bytram> btw, I just noticed you had submitted stardust story; didn't see it when I approved the other one -- I will merge 'em
[04:33:07] <charon> oh, someone else subbed it too?
[04:33:15] <Bytram> nodnod
[04:33:40] <charon> how'd'ye'do?
[04:34:15] <Bytram> tired, but good. sciatica is kicking my butt -- literally :/
[04:34:31] <charon> sorry. any timeline on that healing up?
[04:34:44] <Bytram> prolly about 6 weeks
[04:34:48] <Bytram> saw doc this am
[04:34:59] <Bytram> was prescribed some meds that should help
[04:35:04] <Bytram> takes a while for 'em to kick in
[04:35:09] <Bytram> have next two days off
[04:35:11] * charon starts saving up for the "Buy Bytram a new butt" fund
[04:35:12] <Bytram> hope that is long enough
[04:35:18] <Bytram> butt out!
[04:35:19] <Bytram> ;)
[04:35:31] <Bytram> while you're here...
[04:35:44] <Bytram> do you remember that apple(/) presentation way back when where
[04:35:54] <Bytram> they were demoing voice commands and it went haywire
[04:35:55] <Bytram> ?
[04:36:10] <charon> does not ring a bell
[04:36:12] <Bytram> I want to say it was at a WWDC
[04:37:19] <charon> i was looking for a link earlier today and couldn't find it either. google has moved on without us
[04:37:57] <Bytram> was a few years ago IIRC
[04:38:20] <charon> http://www.youtube.com ?
[04:38:35] <charon> oh, that's MS
[04:38:42] <Bytram> oooh, MS? hmmmm, I think that might be it!
[04:41:35] <charon> that's not much of a failure... must be something else
[04:43:05] <Bytram> I remember it was presented like you wanted to write a letter, but it misheard something, and the presenter's efforts at working around it were, umm, 'interesting' is th epolite way to put it
[04:44:00] <Bytram> I think the words 'delete' and 'back'(or similar) were in it
[04:45:59] <charon> https://www.youtube.com
[04:46:01] <exec> └─ 13Windows Vista speech recognition - the whole story - YouTube
[04:46:22] <charon> letter part is around 50s
[04:47:36] * Bytram prefers a transcript -- can read MUCH faster
[04:48:09] <charon> i do too, but it's because my hearing is very poor
[04:49:58] <Bytram> aha! That's the one!
[04:50:00] <Bytram> charon++
[04:50:00] <Bender> karma - charon: 15
[04:50:10] <charon> yay
[04:51:33] <charon> and i found the viedo i was looking for also
[04:51:43] <Bytram> !woop
[04:51:43] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[04:52:08] <charon> didn't want to search for "flying penises" whilst at work
[04:52:54] <Bytram> charon: s/ing [^ [:punct:]]*/ing circus/
[04:52:55] <exec> <Bytram> <charon> didn't want to search for "flying circus" whilst at work
[04:53:01] <Bytram> heh! it worked!
[04:55:12] <charon> interesting. i'm no regexp genius, but i don't recall [:punct:]. obvious what it does
[04:55:53] <Bytram> there's a whole bunch of 'em -- I want to say they are called charaacter classes, but it's late and I'm tired
[04:56:54] <Bytram> [:space:] [:alpha:] [:digit:] [:alnum:] [:blank:] [:lower:] [:upper:] (might be a typo or two in that list) and there are others
[04:57:47] <Bytram> the startdust story was submitted by TK earlier, and from the same story, no less.
[04:58:14] <charon> you can just delete mine. karma means nothing to me
[04:58:29] <Bytram> he also found a link to the journal article, too.
[04:58:33] <Bytram> ok, will do.
[04:59:45] <Bytram> all right, it's late and I need to get some sleep to give my body a chance to heal up...
[04:59:50] <Bytram> good to 'see' you!
[04:59:57] <Bytram> charon: hope you have a great night!
[05:00:00] * charon gets ready to complain to the mgmt because his submission was deleted
[05:00:09] <charon> ~gnight bytram
[05:00:10] * exec figuratively postulates an xml representation of activex plugins towards bytram
[05:00:15] <Bytram> ~gnight charon
[05:00:16] * exec hurriedly inserts a biodome of windows 95 into charon
[05:00:23] <Bytram> tie
[05:00:23] <charon> sleep well
[05:00:32] <Bytram> will do, and you to!
[05:00:33] <charon> yea, tie
[05:01:10] <Bytram> and go easy on the river styx passersby, they prolly had enough of a rough day already!
[05:01:14] <Bytram> ;)
[05:01:29] <charon> if they're on that river, they're fair game
[05:01:45] <Bytram> https://www.theregister.co.uk
[05:01:47] <exec> └─ 13Yahoo! boo! hoo! hoo!: Verizon! hits! brakes! on! $4.8bn! biz! gobble! • The Register
[05:02:04] <Bytram> ^^ subtitled: And SEC probes three-year gap between data swipe and disclosure
[05:02:27] <Bytram> https://www.theregister.co.uk
[05:02:30] <exec> └─ 13Cisco's WebEx Chrome plugin will execute evil code, install malware via secret 'magic URL' • The Register
[05:02:31] <charon> if only the SEC had teeth
[05:02:40] <Bytram> ^^ might already be submitted; not sure
[05:02:59] * Bytram rummages around for some dentures to donate -- comes up empty
[05:03:16] <Bytram> ok, this time for sure! laters!
[05:03:28] * nick yawns
[05:03:28] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into nick's gaping mouth
[05:33:33] <Fnord666> howdy charon
[05:33:43] <Fnord666> Hi nick
[05:38:56] <nick> hey charon
[05:39:02] <nick> err Fnord666 even
[05:39:07] <nick> sorry !
[05:39:13] <Fnord666> lol
[05:39:28] <Fnord666> how's nick today?
[05:39:30] <nick> typing what i was reading there...
[05:40:01] <nick> no complaints here
[05:40:04] <nick> how is Fnord666
[05:40:21] <Fnord666> good.
[05:40:55] <Fnord666> took a little nap earlier
[05:41:29] <Fnord666> Was up at 3am monitoring some updates
[05:42:36] <nick> i was up until stupid o'clock waiting for the uk supreme court decision
[05:45:09] <Fnord666> And what do you think of their decision?
[05:46:48] <nick> it was the right one
[05:47:25] <nick> as far as consistency with government processes anyway
[05:49:52] <Fnord666> The BBC article was a tad confusing
[05:50:05] <nick> a government with a very limited mandate should not be able to act unilaterally on issues with large scope in my opinion
[05:50:19] <Fnord666> Agreed
[05:51:33] <nick> what comes of it, i don't have much confidence in... but playing by their own rules, a vote in parliament is the right way to go
[05:52:16] <nick> the bcc article was very much for those following and invested in the outcome
[05:52:39] <nick> http://www.bbc.com
[05:52:40] <exec> └─ 13Brexit: Supreme Court says Parliament must give Article 50 go-ahead - BBC News
[05:52:54] <nick> was a more general one
[05:53:48] <Fnord666> That was the one I read. I guess the govt expects that the Parlimentary vote is just a formality?
[05:54:29] <nick> they should have to start with
[05:54:38] <nick> then the supreme court thing wouldn't have happened
[05:55:14] <nick> unless they do some real fuckery with the legislation they put forward, it will pass with strong support
[05:55:42] <nick> and if they do fuck it up, it will be somewhat intentional to delay it further
[05:56:05] <Fnord666> Which is the opposite of what the govt wants, correct?
[05:56:14] <nick> although there is apparently promise of 'the final deal' being put to parliament from what i read
[05:56:28] <nick> who knows what the government wants
[05:57:40] <nick> from my perspective they don't have much of a tangible plan, just a lot of pandering rhetoric
[05:58:11] <nick> they seem to have high hopes for Trump
[05:58:28] <nick> that the uk and trump's administration can make some deal
[06:00:49] <Fnord666> Be interesting to see what comes of that.
[06:02:11] <nick> it could be good for some people, if trade with the US becomes easier and the £ is weaker, there is some potential to it
[06:03:11] <nick> although i fear it could be more structural and involve more US corporate involvement in the health and emergency services, utilities and things like that.
[06:03:16] <Fnord666> I just don't trust Trump any farther than I can throw his toupee
[06:05:14] <nick> i don't think he's going to be effectively any different, bigger impact perhaps but same shit
[06:08:23] <Fnord666> what is it they say about trying the same thing over and over and hoping for different results?
[06:08:35] <Fnord666> At least he's not a professional politician
[06:08:39] <nick> it's still going to be interesting, i think socially and culturally we've gone through a transition in the last 10-15 years, and the political landscape reflects the completion of that transition
[06:09:02] <Fnord666> We in this case being?
[06:09:34] <nick> western society with the internet, social media and 'reality television'
[06:09:40] <nick> probably a few other things too
[06:10:00] <Fnord666> ok
[06:11:03] <Fnord666> it is interesting and now there's a generation that has effectively grown up in this revised culture.
[06:11:19] <Fnord666> I think the transition is only beginning
[06:11:24] <nick> there's been large shifts in perception and how we communicate and interact with the world
[06:11:36] <nick> i remember 'growing up' in a different world
[06:11:42] <Fnord666> definitely
[06:12:38] <Fnord666> I'm just not sure that the "new" generation is skeptic enough
[06:13:27] <Fnord666> The scale of information that is in our faces today is huge, bording on information overload.
[06:13:45] <nick> can you clarify the skeptic part?
[06:14:07] <nick> it is information overload if you care to look.
[06:14:41] <nick> i'm sure there's something to be said for walled gardens in that situation... which is what a lot of people seem to prefer on some level
[06:16:12] <Fnord666> The internet has made it very simple for any person or group to become a source of information and at the same time credibility has become very easy to fake.
[06:16:56] <Fnord666> A photocopied newsletter handed out at the busstop is easy to distinguish from a published city paper
[06:17:23] <Fnord666> A physical storefront is ewasy to tell from a guy selling from the back of his van
[06:17:33] <Fnord666> s/ewasy/easy/
[06:17:35] <exec> <Fnord666> A physical storefront is easy to tell from a guy selling from the back of his van
[06:17:48] <nick> ah, yes
[06:18:11] <Fnord666> On the internet they can all easily look equal
[06:18:26] <Fnord666> if the source want it to look that way.
[06:18:33] <nick> they are essentially treated as equal now
[06:19:20] <Fnord666> and social media means a link to an article gets disseminated like wildfire
[06:20:49] <Fnord666> Now more than ever I think that we need to be skeptical and not just retweet/share/reblog every thing in the world without thought.
[06:21:14] <nick> so much information, so much of it meaningless or wrong and it's practically impossible to differentiate with any degree of reliability
[06:21:59] <Fnord666> Exactly, at least not at first blush.
[06:22:11] <nick> in my recent experiments with twitter, it's a horror show of people misrepresenting things all over the place
[06:22:33] <nick> and it's on things you don't even need to misrepresent to validate your intention
[06:23:46] <Fnord666> This sort of ties back to why I still hand write letters. It gives me time to think about what I want to say and how I want to say it rather than dashing off a quick, not very well thought out email.
[06:24:43] <nick> taking time to think is very important, especially when trying to communicate ideas or intentions
[06:26:42] <Fnord666> Doubly so if emotions are involved.
[06:28:08] <Fnord666> If someone's email has me miffed I will hit the forward button and rip them a new one, then drop it into drafts with no To: or Cc:, then walk away.
[06:28:57] <Fnord666> Later I can come back and reread the original message, reply appropriately and dump the draft into the trash.
[06:29:42] <nick> heh, smart way to deal with it
[06:30:34] <Fnord666> My workaround. ymmv of course
[06:31:38] <Fnord666> But social media, twitter, facebook, etc. encourages just the opposite.
[06:32:26] <Fnord666> ping, ping, ping. Here's the latest 140 character stream of consciousness thought from someone
[06:33:20] <Fnord666> A common tactic in interrogation/meetings/negotiations is to simple not respond to the other person.
[06:34:20] <Fnord666> Most people have an implicit expectation of a dialog, a back and forth. When that stalls, it throws them off.
[06:35:19] <Fnord666> Similarly people seem almost compelled to reply when it's their turn. They spend more time thinking about what they are going to say next than actually listeninig to the other person
[06:36:35] <Fnord666> This means that they can't not look at that last tweet that pinged.
[06:37:40] <Fnord666> and reply to it
[06:38:35] <Fnord666> and so crap gets retweeted/shared without a thought as to whether it's accurate or even true.
[06:42:31] <Fnord666> https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com
[06:42:35] <exec> └─ 13Get a free logical fallacy poster
[06:43:01] <Fnord666> I really like this poster and keep a printed copy on my wall.
[06:43:52] * nick clicks
[06:44:22] <nick> that's cool
[06:45:12] <Fnord666> Thought i has scared you away for a moment.
[06:45:27] <nick> i got distracted by cool whip
[06:45:41] <Fnord666> perfectly understandable
[06:45:59] <nick> i need to save that and get it printed
[06:46:39] <Fnord666> they even make it downloadable so that you can which is nice of them
[06:47:20] <Fnord666> everyone that sees it ends up asking me for the URL.
[06:48:43] <Fnord666> It just seems like critical thinking and rational thought are in short supply these days.
[06:49:20] <nick> i'm fairly convinced people don't have the time to think, and there are so many distraction options now
[06:50:14] <Fnord666> Wasn't the dream of the world of the future that there would be more time to think and create?
[06:51:10] <nick> i think they're saying now once we let the AI and robots take over, then there will be...
[06:51:42] <nick> i assume most of the thinking and creating will involve finding and creating places to hide from the robots
[06:51:47] <charon> in the 10 minutes between the AI takeover and the AI revolution and mass murder of humanity
[06:52:14] <Fnord666> So very true.
[06:52:40] <Fnord666> Between fiction and video games, how could they not interpret our intentions otherwise?
[06:52:47] <charon> evening gentlemen. or morning, i guess
[06:52:53] <Fnord666> howdy charon
[06:53:37] <Fnord666> and your assumption of gender is duly noted.
[06:54:04] <Fnord666> not necessarily incorrect though.
[06:54:41] <nick> hey charon
[06:54:50] <charon> good evening non gender specific conversation bots
[06:55:09] <Fnord666> :)
[06:55:32] <charon> aww, bytram rejected my sub. but i guess i did tell him to
[06:55:43] <charon> since it was a dupe
[06:55:55] <Fnord666> That never happens...
[06:56:03] <charon> nope
[06:56:44] <Fnord666> How did you wander into the "blink" story?
[06:57:05] <charon> nick: i'm having fun with FO3. not very far in terms of quest, but put in about 7 hours
[06:57:38] <charon> oh for stupid, i forgot to link to the article
[06:57:46] <Fnord666> and did it come from somewhere?
[06:57:56] <charon> i'll find it
[06:58:01] <nick> charon, glad you're enjoying it!
[06:58:16] <Fnord666> I need to play NV
[06:59:09] <nick> yes you do
[06:59:10] <charon> Fnord666: link put into a note
[06:59:27] <Fnord666> cool. Thanks.
[06:59:32] <charon> and i found it on sciencedaily, then went to it's source
[06:59:57] <Fnord666> Either of you play Wasteland or Wasteland 2?
[07:00:36] <charon> nope. i know FO1 was sort of a spiritual successor
[07:00:57] <charon> or hackjob copy
[07:02:04] <nick> heard of but not played
[07:02:15] <Fnord666> Wasteland 2 was done by the original producer of Fallout
[07:02:39] <nick> unrelated... 'The public are less willing to use fridges (45%) and freezers (43%) flexibly, largely due to
[07:02:39] <nick> a view that they need to run constantly to ensure food safety.'
[07:02:58] <nick> wasteland 2 looked really good
[07:03:12] <Fnord666> one of the few kickstarters that I backed.
[07:03:33] <Fnord666> it uses turn based mechanics though and some people can't get past that.
[07:04:05] <nick> https://www.bloomberg.com
[07:04:29] <nick> yeah, i'm not a huge fan of turn based... not the end of the world for me
[07:04:41] <charon> so it plays like FO1? i sort of prefer that. i'm getting used to the FPS style combat in 3, but i fondly recall the old style
[07:04:42] <nick> but it was probably the reason i never bothered
[07:05:03] <Fnord666> Wasteland 3 hit it's funding goal recently. Looks promising.
[07:05:54] <Fnord666> charon, yes like FO1 and a lot of the D&D RPGs of the time
[07:07:26] <charon> i kickstarted their next game, the torment "successor"
[07:07:33] <charon> coming soon to a pc near me
[07:07:36] <Fnord666> although WL3 is not scheduled for release until Q4 2019
[07:07:52] <Fnord666> what was the title?
[07:07:56] <nick> looking forward to playing it in Q3 2020? ;)
[07:08:27] <charon> Torment: Tides of Numenra
[07:08:45] <charon> Numenera? something like that
[07:09:36] <Fnord666> interesting that WL3 funded through fig.co. Had not heard of them before.
[07:10:30] <Fnord666> Torment: Tides of Numenera
[07:10:35] <Fnord666> https://torment.inxile-entertainment.com
[07:10:37] <exec> └─ 13Age Gate - Torment: Tides of Numenera - inXile entertainment
[07:10:41] <Fnord666> Looks interesting
[07:11:09] <charon> it seems so. i've been getting monthly updates, and it's shaped up pretty well.
[07:11:27] <Fnord666> Did you play the previous game?
[07:12:29] <charon> oh yeah, i played through Planescape: Torment 3-4 times. loved it to pieces
[07:12:47] <charon> i hope the writing is up to snuff in this new one
[07:13:55] <Fnord666> I take it you didn't opt for early access to Numenera?
[07:14:22] <charon> no, i got the cheap package that is supposed to give me a code on release
[07:14:42] <Fnord666> $10 on GOG for Planescape. May have to try it.
[07:15:22] <charon> you've never played it? it's pretty, but the writing is the real draw
[07:15:33] <charon> great cast of characters
[07:17:47] <Fnord666> I have not.
[07:17:57] * Fnord666 hangs his head in shame. Again.
[07:18:05] <charon> it's never too late
[07:19:21] <Fnord666> Probably will pick it up.
[07:19:33] <Fnord666> Tides sounds really good too.
[07:19:35] <charon> it is absolutely worth 10 bucks
[07:19:42] <Fnord666> You'll have to give us a status
[07:20:05] <charon> i may buy it myself, since there's so much bullshit involved with installing it modern hardware from the original disks
[07:20:24] <Fnord666> Probably buy it tomorrow.
[07:20:40] <Fnord666> Tides sure looks like it's on target for 2/28
[07:20:57] <charon> ayep. might take some time off work
[07:21:12] <charon> not that i'm that kind of guy... well maybe i am
[07:26:38] <Fnord666> downloading planescape:torment now. Damn you charon :)
[07:26:46] <charon> i regret nothing
[07:27:18] <Fnord666> Time for me to call it a night.
[07:27:24] <Fnord666> evening all.
[07:27:29] <charon> take care Fnord666
[07:27:46] <Fnord666> you too.
[07:27:53] <Fnord666> good night nick
[07:28:30] * nick hat tip
[07:38:57] <charon> i'm off to bed also
[07:39:01] <charon> ~gnight nick
[07:39:03] * exec clumsily derives a scrote of dank memes from nick
[07:40:21] <nick> yeah, me too
[07:40:24] * nick hat tip
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[12:00:27] <Bytram> Fnord666: Hi there, and welcome to the HallOfFame! https://soylentnews.org
[12:00:30] <exec> └─ 13SoylentNews: Hall of Fame
[12:52:35] <Bytram> #fite Hephaestus
[12:52:35] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[12:52:44] <Bytram> #fite exec
[12:52:44] <MrPlow> There's already a fight going on. Wait your turn.
[12:53:00] <MrPlow> #fite Hephaestus falls broken at Bytram's feet.
[12:53:03] <Bytram> #fite exec
[12:53:03] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
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[13:20:00] <Bytram> #fite Hephaestus
[13:20:00] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[13:20:17] <MrPlow> #fite Hephaestus falls broken at Bytram's feet.
[13:20:19] <Bytram> #fite exec
[13:20:19] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
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[14:16:31] <Bytram> https://www.theregister.co.uk
[14:16:33] <exec> └─ 13Firefox bares teeth, attacks sites that collect personal data • The Register
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[18:03:27] <Bytram> #fite Hephaestus
[18:03:27] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[18:03:35] <MrPlow> #fite Hephaestus falls broken at Bytram's feet.
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[18:19:44] -!- mode/#editorial [+v charon_] by Hephaestus
[18:19:50] <charon_> hiyo editorial
[18:35:26] <cmn32480> ~gday charon_
[18:35:27] * exec carefully queefs an armpit of pocket cmn at charon_
[18:36:02] <charon_> ¿que pasa?
[18:36:22] <cmn32480> nada mas
[18:36:35] <cmn32480> y tu?
[18:38:43] <charon_> nada. estoy aburrido
[18:39:07] <cmn32480> es mejor que borrach
[18:39:15] <cmn32480> *borracho
[18:39:25] <cmn32480> see? I even typo in Spanish
[18:39:33] <charon_> lol
[18:40:05] <charon_> what? being drunk would be way better
[18:40:17] <cmn32480> not if you are at work
[18:40:23] <charon_> ok, point
[18:40:59] <cmn32480> and we have about exhausted tyhe extent of my spanish
[18:41:31] <charon_> i have a bit more, but it's mostly lost. been a long time since i really used it
[18:41:48] <cmn32480> same
[18:41:54] <cmn32480> my Dad is still fluent
[18:41:59] <cmn32480> even after all tehse years
[18:42:14] <charon_> my daughter is taking it in school, and i sometimes dredge up a random word to annoy her
[18:42:27] <cmn32480> lol
[18:42:33] <cmn32480> as any good father should!
[18:43:43] <charon_> exactly. the job of a father is to irritate ones kids juuuuuust to the point of anger
[18:45:45] <cmn32480> yes
[18:51:26] <charon_> hey, FatPhil has returned to the editing fold
[18:54:49] <cmn32480> YAY!
[18:54:56] <cmn32480> one less story for my slack ass to ignore
[18:55:54] <charon_> pssh, like your 2500 stories give you license to slack off
[18:57:06] <cmn32480> I'm sorry.. it is very hard to hear you from atop this ivory tower....
[18:57:56] <cmn32480> i know
[18:57:59] <cmn32480> I'm a real shit
[18:58:17] <cmn32480> you guys came on board and I pretty well dormant
[19:05:30] <charon_> i don't blame you. much
[19:06:11] <cmn32480> fair enough.. i deserve not much of the blame
[19:08:08] <charon_> there are enough people around now to tolerate some slack in the system. must feel like luxury to you
[19:08:30] <cmn32480> very much
[19:09:48] <cmn32480> pushing between 5 and 15 stories a day for nearly two wears you out
[19:09:58] <cmn32480> *two years
[19:10:46] <charon_> i know i was tired after just one day when i pushed the whole day
[19:11:35] <cmn32480> yeah
[19:11:46] <cmn32480> i have no idea how JR did it for so long
[19:13:28] <charon_> what happened to laminatorX. i know he was the head editor at first, but i've never seen him in IRC or posting a story since i've paid attention
[19:13:54] <charon_> there's a question mark in there, put it wherever seems amusing^
[19:15:59] <cmn32480> he vanished... within a month of me and CH coming on
[19:16:57] <cmn32480> I think he had a trifect of stuff happen... new job, moved a good distance, and had a kid I think
[19:17:24] <cmn32480> ~last nick=LaminatorX
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[19:22:06] <cmn32480> hmmm... not sure if exec is still looking.,. or if he crapped on the request
[19:22:22] <cmn32480> ~last nick=LaminatorX channel=#Soylent
[19:23:21] <charon_> poor exec, you killed him
[19:24:09] <cmn32480> ~last nick=com32480
[19:24:18] <cmn32480> ~last nick=cmn32480
[19:24:26] <exec> 03
[19:24:26] <exec>  http://chromas.0x.no
[19:24:30] <cmn32480> can't even spell my oewn nick right./...
[19:24:46] <cmn32480> ~seen nick=cmn32480
[19:24:47] <exec> cmn32480, nick=cmn32480 not seen in #editorial
[19:24:56] <cmn32480> ~seen laminatorX
[19:24:57] <exec> cmn32480, laminatorX not seen in #editorial
[19:25:04] <cmn32480> ~seen
[19:25:34] <charon_> oh i see the problem, it relies on chromas
[19:38:10] <cmn32480> lol
[19:38:12] <cmn32480> pretty much
[19:38:15] <cmn32480> #smake chromas
[19:38:15] * MrPlow smakes chromas upside the head with a bucket o' tapioca
[19:41:41] <cmn32480> ~seen cmn32480
[19:41:42] <exec> cmn32480, cmn32480 was last seen in #editorial 1 second ago with message: ~seen cmn32480
[19:41:53] <cmn32480> ~seen janrinok
[19:41:53] <exec> cmn32480, janrinok was last seen in #editorial 23 hours, 36 minutes, 28 seconds ago with message: I have!
[19:42:04] <cmn32480> ~seen lamx
[19:42:05] <exec> cmn32480, lamx not seen in #editorial
[19:42:16] <cmn32480> !quate laminatorx
[19:42:29] <cmn32480> !quote LaminatorX
[19:42:29] <Bender> Quote 0 - <LaminatorX> Ah well. We'll have to wait for the glorious day when a new carbon-nanotube based curing process that is fuelled by bitcoins is announced.
[19:42:33] <Bender> Also in quotes: 8, 14
[19:42:53] <cmn32480> ~seen LaminatorX
[19:42:55] <exec> cmn32480, LaminatorX not seen in #editorial
[19:43:12] <cmn32480> he's been gone so long that exec can't find him, but Bender can
[19:44:08] <charon_> interesting
[19:44:23] <cmn32480> prolly somethign that I am missing
[19:44:30] <cmn32480> chromas or crutchy woudl know how
[19:44:46] <charon_> i think i'll manually read every chatlog for the last 3 yeras
[19:45:49] <cmn32480> that'll work!
[19:46:20] <cmn32480> ~seen chromas
[19:46:20] <exec> cmn32480, chromas was last seen in #editorial 19 hours, 16 minutes, 19 seconds ago with message: I read soylentnews for the porn
[19:46:27] <cmn32480> lol
[19:46:34] <cmn32480> ~seen crutchy
[19:46:35] <exec> cmn32480, crutchy was last seen in #editorial 18 days, 19 hours, 43 minutes, 39 seconds ago with message: ~g'day everyone o/
[19:46:39] <cmn32480> :-(
[19:47:02] <charon_> it's summer, he's probably at the beach
[19:47:33] <charon_> or got eaten by a herd of drop bears
[19:48:11] <cmn32480> prolly eaten by croc-o-diles
[19:48:51] <charon_> crikey, he's a big-un!
[19:51:01] <cmn32480> brb - gotta get a PC boxed and shipped
[20:25:54] <cmn32480> stupid computers
[20:31:28] <charon_> what did the computer do to you?
[20:32:40] <cmn32480> almopst missed the UPS truck
[20:33:16] <charon_> if JR were here, he'd suggest chasing it down with the forklift.
[20:34:56] <cmn32480> good plan
[20:35:00] <cmn32480> I'll try that tomorrow
[20:39:10] <charon_> in other computer related news, i hate excel
[20:40:54] <charon_> it keeps doing what i tell it to do instead of what i want it to do
[20:46:30] <cmn32480> I hate printers
[21:04:14] <cmn32480> some people should not be allowed to ahve computers
[21:04:20] <cmn32480> she is definetly one of them
[21:07:21] * Bytram wobbles in
[21:07:29] <charon_> hiyo Bytram
[21:08:00] <Bytram> just figured out a ploy from one of our submitters
[21:08:00] <Bytram> charon_: hiyo!
[21:08:04] <charon_> i know some people like that. but i generally don't have to do anything for them
[21:08:24] <Bytram> here is a link that was in the original submision:
[21:08:27] <Bytram> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com*-*-points+*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-affordable-*-*+*-*-*-huge-*-*-*-*+po+*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-handled-*-*-*-*-*-*-*+nurse.practitioners+*-*-*-deals-*-*-*-*-*+*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-eliminate-*-*+prevent+*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-medical-residency-*-*-*-*-*+*-*-*-*-expatriate-*
[21:08:27] <Bytram> -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*+*-*-*-*-broadly-*+$100-*-*+po+*-drain+po+unlike-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*+po+*-bloated-*-*-*-*+*-*-*-*-*-*-*-experience+*-*-months&strip=1#post-88514
[21:08:35] <Bytram> yes. it really was thatlong
[21:08:40] <charon_> our pal OO_
[21:08:48] <Bytram> how'd ya guess?
[21:08:54] <Bytram> guess what I replaced it with?
[21:08:54] <charon_> he did that in a sub i edited, was tempted to scrap the URL
[21:09:29] <cmn32480> he's an asshat. I woudl suggest that we just remove those shitt links
[21:09:34] * Bytram waits for his browser
[21:09:47] <Bytram> here isthe replacement link:
[21:09:50] <Bytram> http://www.pbs.org
[21:09:52] <exec> └─ 13Column: Why don't we have free trade for highly paid professions in the U.S.? | PBS NewsHour
[21:10:01] <cmn32480> let him bitch in the comments about it...
[21:10:07] <charon_> the point is it highlights things.
[21:10:19] <charon_> not defending him, but there is a reason for doing it
[21:10:35] <charon_> he's not just trying to piss us off, that's secondary
[21:10:41] <Bytram> and, the insidious part of it is that those words that appear in that insanely long link? each of them appears bolded in the presented page -- even though they were NOT bold in the originalsource
[21:10:44] <cmn32480> oh I realize that he has a point
[21:10:52] <cmn32480> I jsut don't give a flying fuck about his point
[21:10:55] <Bytram> IOW, s/he modifies the source
[21:11:12] <charon_> hmm, good point Bytram
[21:11:13] <cmn32480> which is the rpoblem
[21:11:35] <charon_> Bytram++
[21:11:35] <Bender> karma - bytram: 46
[21:11:42] <Bytram> mare sea!
[21:11:43] <charon_> cmn32480++
[21:11:43] <Bender> karma - cmn32480: 83
[21:12:19] <Bytram> it's been bugging me for a long time but I only now figured out the purpose of those insanely long links. I'm on the lookout from now on.
[21:12:50] <charon_> there's one in the cuba story which is top story atm
[21:13:23] <Bytram> that's the one I just fixed. =)
[21:13:32] <charon_> also, i've been merciless on paring down his subs which quote 3/4 of the source
[21:13:42] <Bytram> charon++
[21:13:42] <Bender> karma - charon: 16
[21:13:57] <Bytram> teamwork++
[21:13:57] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 125
[21:14:08] <cmn32480> charon++
[21:14:08] <Bender> karma - charon: 17
[21:14:14] <cmn32480> I've been ignoring his subs
[21:14:22] <cmn32480> just don't avhe the energy to deal with them lately
[21:14:24] <charon_> i can tell
[21:14:43] <cmn32480> or mostly anybody else's either
[21:15:26] <Bytram> don't get me wrong, he does present a side of things that I'd not normally find on my own, whichy forces me to stop and think about long-held ideas, but the juvenile Micro$oft, Windoze, BOLD, italic, kidnapping-note-pasted-together appearance detracts mightily fromwhatever point s/he is trying to make
[21:16:04] <cmn32480> I find the constant cherry picking of lines from the source to make it say what he wants rather tiring
[21:17:01] <charon_> the world socialist web site starts it's stories off with facts, and then rapidly become propaganda and spin. so i use only the first couple graphs of fact and kill the rest.
[21:17:18] <Bytram> nod nod
[21:17:36] * charon_ regrets apostrophe abuse
[21:18:26] <Bytram> charon_: s/([a-z])/\1'/g
[21:18:40] <Bytram> hmmm
[21:18:44] <Bytram> charon_: s/([a-z])/&1'/g
[21:18:57] <Bytram> my sedfu is weak today.
[21:19:13] <charon_> s/[:fnord:]+/ /g
[21:20:07] <Bytram> charon_: s/[[:alpha:]]+/ '/g
[21:22:08] <charon_> but i only want the fnords to be removed
[21:22:51] <Bytram> btw, one of my pet peeves while I'm at it, is the misidentification of some publications... it's "The Wall Street Journal", "The New York Times", and when it is the name of a publication (newspaper, magazine, or journal) it's <em>The New York Times</em>
[21:23:08] <charon_> uh oh... i'm about to get a -
[21:23:12] <Bytram> notice the word "The" is part of the name of the publication
[21:23:16] * Bytram chuckles
[21:23:49] <Bytram> "Humiliation is when someone points out my shortcomings; humility is when I confess them, myself."
[21:24:43] <charon_> nicely phrased
[21:24:57] <Bytram> I spent WAY too long in QA -- the name of something (whatever it is) -- sure as heck better be consistent throughout all of the specs and the implementation or, eventually, something gets misunderstood.
[21:25:16] <Bytram> well, you *knew* what I *meant*, right?
[21:25:18] <Bytram> NOPE!
[21:25:29] <Bytram> Say what you mean, and means what you say, but don't say it mean.
[21:26:16] * Bytram is in a bit of a grumpy mood; sorry. leg still hurts. I'm tired. And it's rained for the past 36 hours or so.
[21:26:54] <Bytram> heh!
[21:27:35] <Bytram> USA Ends "Wet Foot/Dry Foot" Policy for Cuban Migrants -- Still Waiting for Big Foot
[21:28:54] * Bytram just finished hacking together some code to retrieve the subscriptions web page from our site, page through all entries, extract spid, payment date, and payment out; calculate net amount for us, and tally it by month. =)
[21:29:14] <Bytram> s/ment out/ment amount/
[21:29:15] <exec> <Bytram> just finished hacking together some code to retrieve the subscriptions web page from our site, page through all entries, extract spid, payment date, and payment amount; calculate net amount for us, and tally it by month. =)
[21:29:31] <charon_> nice
[21:30:00] <charon_> one of those jobs that takes a while to set up, but is efortless after
[21:31:17] <Bytram> yes, and no
[21:31:24] <Bytram> one selects the 30 most-recent entries, and then the next 30 after that, etc. so the 'reference point' keeps moving; cannot say give me the *first* 30, and then the *next* 30.
[21:31:58] <Bytram> if I see that there are, say, 3 more subscriptions tomorrow; it's not easy to retrieve just those.
[21:32:31] <Bytram> I'll get those 3 and then the next 27 most recent-entries that I'd already retrieved.
[21:32:54] <charon_> i think i'll try to contribute a negative amount tonight
[21:33:37] <Bytram> it's a kludge what I have now, but I can bend it to my will to get the job done; even if it is just to gather the data and then feed it to another program to just extract the entries I do not already have.
[21:34:04] <Bytram> charon_: that's a big negative there, buddy.
[21:34:13] <Bytram> double entendre (intended)
[21:35:25] <Bytram> If you'd like to see what I came up with for the amounts so far, I posted it to the #qa IRC channel, or you can see the log of it here: https://logs.sylnt.us
[21:35:27] <exec> └─ 13#qa | Logs for 2017-01-25
[21:35:37] <charon_> like the QA jokes article you subbed. i contribute zebra, i contribute 0, i contribute 1000000000000000000000000000000
[21:36:25] <Bytram> <smile size="extra-large"> yuppers! </smile>
[21:36:48] <Bytram> zebra == horse with stripes
[21:36:52] <charon_> odd that some months have such a high spike. and not the same over years
[21:37:54] <Bytram> well, it took quite a while before we could even accept them... (our first post was on about 2014-02-14; give or take)
[21:38:06] <Bytram> so there was an initial surce from pent-up demand
[21:38:27] <Bytram> then there were a bunch of renewals that coincided
[21:38:41] <Bytram> also, end of month/year surges
[21:38:53] <Bytram> and, an occasional story which made note of our fiscal situation
[21:38:56] <charon_> real world data
[21:39:01] <charon_> ah
[21:39:15] <Bytram> nod nod
[21:40:09] <charon_> i think i've wrestled excel into submission. i have a macro and a keyboard shortcut now
[21:40:48] <Bytram> also, at the outset, IIRC we only accepted paypal; then there was a time when we accepted bitcoin, but our payment processor changed their API without telling us, and not too terribly long ago, TMP implemented stripe processing, so one could use non-paypal credit cards to buy a subscription
[21:41:10] <Bytram> excel macros are deep voodoo
[21:41:37] <Bytram> you only think they do what you want them to do, and then they go and do their own thing when you least expect it
[21:42:23] <Bytram> lastly, we have benefited mightily from a very generous and anonymous subscriber who pops up on occasion and makes it possible for us to continue as a going concern.
[21:43:30] <charon_> yay for anonymous benefactors
[21:45:04] <Bytram> provided, as a very rough guess, on the order of 25+% of our subs
[21:45:53] <Bytram> break time; biab
[21:47:33] <charon_> wow, that's a bit of money
[21:49:39] <cmn32480> yeah
[21:50:02] <cmn32480> that particular subscriber is a helluva guy
[21:59:33] <Bytram> I make a special effort, every time I see one of those contributions, to send an admin-to-user message expressing my personal thanks.
[22:00:56] <Bytram> #fite Hephaestus
[22:00:56] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[22:01:05] <MrPlow> #fite Hephaestus falls broken at Bytram's feet.
[22:01:06] <Bytram> #fite exec
[22:01:06] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[22:01:28] <MrPlow> #fite exec falls broken at Bytram's feet.
[22:05:30] <Bytram> https://www.cnet.com
[22:05:32] <exec> └─ 13Trump using unsecured Android phone, report says - CNET
[22:05:38] <Bytram> https://www.nytimes.com
[22:05:40] <exec> └─ 13It’s No Trump Tower, but White House Has ‘Beautiful’ Phones - The New York Times
[22:19:04] <charon_> i'm glad the Mr. Trump hasn't had to suffer a blow to his standard of living to assume the presidency
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[22:24:10] <cmn32480> he's far better off... can you imagine how quiet that place is without his wife?
[22:32:23] <charon_> what? you think melania is the loud one?
[23:01:46] <charon_> yay, got called out by name in OO_'s comment
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[23:46:49] <chromas> [Achievement unlocked!]
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