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[22:50:29] <Bytram> as for that, I need to be going, too.
[22:50:19] <Bytram> janrinok: g'night! thanks for the chuckles and all the work you do!
[22:49:50] <janrinok> time for my bed - cheers all
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[22:25:57] <janrinok> Ooops - a minor glitch there...
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[22:21:00] <paulej72> doing grep on network share on production does not do the disk IO any good :)
[22:18:18] <paulej72> janrinok: not here as I am in a 3 phase 208V building. At home I have have access to the 240V single phase
[22:18:03] <janrinok> 240v in France, paulej72, is the general term for anything from 0v to about 250v - or so it seems.
[22:17:14] <janrinok> paulej72: did you find the 20v or did the staple make it leak away?
[22:16:49] <Bytram> I think you're right.
[22:16:24] <janrinok> Much the same sort of kick I imagine
[22:16:20] <Bytram> I soon was, too.
[22:16:17] <Bytram> while the engine was running.
[22:16:08] <janrinok> I can recall their chuckling in my ears....
[22:15:58] * Bytram never did *that*, but once accidentally interrupted the path between a spark plug and its wire.
[22:15:41] <janrinok> Oh how my workmates laughed.
[22:15:25] <Bytram> OUCH!
[22:15:06] <janrinok> touched*
[22:14:55] <janrinok> I used to fix TVs until I touch the output of the line transformer. 22kv I think it was but naff all current fortunately. I picked myself up from the other side of the room.
[22:13:57] * Bytram worked as an electrician's helper one summer. Still alive to tell of it!
[22:13:56] <janrinok> I'll staple the extra 20v to my next line on this channel....
[22:13:31] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 5
[22:13:31] <Bytram> paulej72++ Yuppers on that one!
[22:13:30] <janrinok> is it? It read better and you hit the clarity spot on.
[22:13:19] <paulej72> 220V is the general term for anything 208V to 240V.
[22:13:13] <Bytram> but I'm aiming for clarity.
[22:12:59] <Bytram> mine is actually a little longer. :/
[22:12:48] <janrinok> paulej72: we have 240v here - would that help?
[22:12:12] <janrinok> yours is clearer and saves a few words but I wouldn't get tied up in a knot about it.
[22:12:01] <Bytram> yeah. I keep getting a "parse error" after: "notice given in writing or by electronic transmission "
[22:11:31] <janrinok> its legalese but I've seen that sort of thing before. I can grok it
[22:10:45] <janrinok> why do you think it needs re-writing?
[22:10:30] <janrinok> either is OK for me
[22:10:18] <Bytram> so far so good! =)
[22:10:15] <janrinok> lol
[22:10:09] * Bytram holds wireless keyboard closer to the speaker to enhance the feedback effect.
[22:09:41] <paulej72> is that enough feedback
[22:09:39] <Bytram> the meeting and the means of remote communications, if any, by which stockholders and proxy holders may be deemed to be present in person and vote at such meeting.
[22:09:39] <Bytram> Except as otherwise provided by law or the Certificate of Incorporation, notice of each meeting of stockholders, whether given in writing or by electronic transmission, shall be given not less than ten (10) nor more than sixty (60) days before the date of the meeting to each stockholder entitled to vote at such meeting, such notice to specify the place, if any, date and hour and purpose or purposes of
[22:09:26] * paulej72 hooks Bytram’s keyborad to 220V mains
[22:09:23] <Bytram> this is what I propose changing it to:
[22:09:17] <Bytram> and
[22:09:13] <Bytram> g and the means of remote communications, if any, by which stockholders and proxy holders may be deemed to be present in person and vote at such meeting.
[22:09:13] <Bytram> Except as otherwise provided by law or the Certificate of Incorporation, notice given in writing or by electronic transmission of each meeting of stockholders shall be given not less than ten (10) nor more than sixty (60) days before the date of the meeting to each stockholder entitled to vote at such meeting, such notice to specify the place, if any, date and hour and purpose or purposes of the meetin
[22:09:03] <Bytram> this is the original:
[22:08:53] <janrinok> OK go
[22:08:46] <Bytram> janrinok: Could use some feedback?
[22:08:45] <janrinok> ar yu sur?
[22:07:03] * Bytram needs a new keyboard; it keeps leaving out letters on me.
[22:06:46] <janrinok> true
[22:06:44] <Bytram> then I must be underpaid -- I am QUITE the character!
[22:06:37] <Bytram> the I must be underpaid -- I am QUITE the character!
[22:06:16] <janrinok> perhaps we are paying by the character.....
[22:06:15] <Bytram> s/submordinate/subordinate/
[22:05:46] <Bytram> serial commas, submordinate clauses, AND appositions... all in the same sentence. What *does* THAT comma *really* mean? Urgh!!!
[21:59:58] <janrinok> they are only misunderstandable to mere mortals such as ourselves who must pay lawyers to tell us what they have written.
[21:58:35] <Bytram> thanks! Found another misunderstandable construction. These lawyers should learn about parentheses and brackets!!
[21:55:44] <janrinok> good luck - with sincerity and best of intentions.
[21:55:27] <Bytram> Okay, time for some fresh reading... wish me luck!
[21:55:12] <Bytram> i some ways, a slow internet connection has benefits. I can click "Preview" and while waiting for it to repaint, continue the conversation here.
[21:54:08] <janrinok> That's probably why they let me retire....
[21:53:47] <janrinok> ...that was my motivational speech.
[21:53:25] <janrinok> I hope that you are paying attention to the job in front of you. We are depending upon _you_ to get the by-laws right!
[21:51:29] <Bytram> yowza! that'll get ya PLENTY of practice.
[21:50:39] <janrinok> 37 years in the military - what do you think?
[21:50:08] <Bytram> oh rly? Do tell more!
[21:49:37] <janrinok> years of practice
[21:49:10] <Bytram> LOL!
[21:49:08] <Bytram> that was one smooth recovery there janrinok, got to hand it you!
[21:48:45] <janrinok> oh, er, not having to buy the beers.... or something
[21:48:14] <Bytram> =)
[21:48:10] <Bytram> janrinok: so, like how?
[21:48:04] * Bytram checks that Logie is still running. Yup!
[21:47:36] <Bytram> far more than the situation may warrant, but it did make me laugh out loud! well done!
[21:47:35] <janrinok> I've decided that not living _that_ close to NCommander does have a few advantages.....
[21:46:40] <janrinok> gripping my sides while giggling like a girl - is that a suitable response?
[21:46:12] <Bytram> well, I just found that a word is missing in a sentence that contains over 200 words. share my joy. <chuckle>
[21:43:29] <janrinok> Oh, it sounds a laugh a minute. Do share the best ones with us, well me. I've been all alone for the last hour.....
[21:42:55] <Bytram> janrinok: hiya! I've got a few minutes and am trying to plow my way through the proposed corporate by laws. Fun!!! O_o
[21:42:31] <janrinok> hi Bytram-no-longer-away-but-not-yet-here
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[21:41:26] <janrinok> hi Bytram|away
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[20:54:49] <janrinok> np we are glad to have you with us!
[20:54:37] <zizban> but thanks everyone for welcoming me to the team!
[20:54:26] <zizban> Okay because I gotta go teach and wont be back for a while
[20:54:08] <janrinok> I think the next stage, if you are happy with the process, is to start 2nd ed'ing other eds stories, but it will wait until another time.
[20:53:25] <janrinok> they all look good and could go live
[20:53:05] * zizban uses his Fuel as a lamp stand
[20:53:03] <janrinok> don't blame you
[20:52:52] <zizban> I sold all my computers except my PC, my Chromebook and my SGI Fuel
[20:52:23] <zizban> the preview of it wasn't helpful but I think I did
[20:52:21] <janrinok> I'm down to my last 8 computers but only 3 live on my desk!
[20:52:09] <zizban> I cut a paragraph out and pasted it into the extnded box and redid the formatting on the cut part
[20:51:55] <janrinok> OK, I've got a screen full of all sorts at present so cannot check, in fact, I've got 3 screens full of all sorts....
[20:51:28] <zizban> I think I did
[20:51:02] <janrinok> Did you split the long story into an extended type?
[20:50:49] * zizban nods
[20:50:43] <janrinok> It is a good habit to get in to.
[20:50:25] <zizban> ah thanks!
[20:50:15] <janrinok> Editing-wise they are good. At some point we will have to change every double<br> to </p><p> because that is required for rss feeds to smart phones or something - but that is not an absolute requirement at present.
[20:49:53] <zizban> I think I did on one of them but not on the other
[20:48:51] <janrinok> Secondly, although its a bit false here, none of the stories have the correct topic selected. War in Iraq is not software or whatever. You need to know how to change the topics
[20:48:46] <zizban> When I filled in at OSNews for a week it was like that all the time.
[20:48:25] <zizban> Oh ya
[20:47:43] <janrinok> But some will try to get stuff in print which shouldn't be allowed.
[20:47:21] <janrinok> np, that is what it is there for. And it is good practice to edit it anyway
[20:47:11] <zizban> Ya that was in the log I downloading, tips like that
[20:46:55] <zizban> Ah OK.
[20:46:53] <janrinok> Before you waste time on editing a story, check out all the links. Do they point at what they claim or is it a slashvertisement, porn, political?
[20:46:11] <janrinok> you could have ignored it or deleted it if you had wished
[20:45:56] <janrinok> exactly! there was nothing at all to do with it
[20:45:43] <zizban> The first one didn't have a link to the story
[20:45:32] <janrinok> i.e. 4th came before 5th
[20:45:13] <janrinok> yes- but look at them in sequence
[20:45:04] <zizban> or was that intentional?
[20:44:56] <zizban> Well, for one, it was a dupe of #5
[20:43:58] <janrinok> what was the problem with the 4th and why shouldn't it be released?
[20:43:23] <zizban> 15 minutes to rip me apart before I go teach class
[20:43:20] <janrinok> both of the 3?
[20:43:06] <zizban> Both done :)
[20:20:21] <janrinok> np
[20:20:18] <zizban> ay/day
[20:20:13] <zizban> Same day job is distratcing me. stupid ay job
[20:19:52] <LaminatorX> Cool.
[20:19:35] <janrinok> I'm here
[20:19:26] <LaminatorX> Day-job needs my focus for a bit, but I'll keep checking in periodically.
[20:13:58] <mrcoolbp> np
[20:13:55] <LaminatorX> Great, thanks.
[20:13:51] <zizban> ;)
[20:13:49] <zizban> YEAH I have the power!!!
[20:13:35] <mrcoolbp> LaminatorX, zizban, Azreal: editor bits are now granted on the production server
[20:13:33] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: awesome, thanks!
[20:13:31] <paulej72> yes
[20:13:09] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: cache update complete?
[20:10:05] <mrcoolbp> ah, cool
[20:09:55] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: the autor’s page gets rebuilt from the cache at some indeterminate time. Never found where that was
[20:09:25] <mrcoolbp> or table or whatever
[20:09:13] <mrcoolbp> yeah, but he is rebuilding the cache manually, I thought it updated that page too, I could be wrong
[20:08:59] <LaminatorX> Nobody seems to show up for most of their first day.
[20:08:40] <LaminatorX> I believe that there's a periodic job that updates that.
[20:08:08] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: also zizban is not showing as an author under the "authors" page on dev server
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[20:07:01] <mrcoolbp> later
[20:06:55] <n1> laters folks
[20:06:54] <janrinok> cu l8r n1
[20:06:51] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: both on prod this time
[20:06:40] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: yeah, we have two editors we are grooming
[20:06:36] <n1> im about to run, trying to catch up on everything i've not been doing. will be back around 01:00 UTC to finish of the merge and edit a couple more stories.
[20:06:24] <paulej72> author bit set mrcoolbp?
[20:06:10] <janrinok> hi paulej72
[20:06:06] <mrcoolbp> paulej72, LaminatorX, seclevel raised for zizban and Azrael
[20:05:29] <janrinok> ditto^
[20:05:21] <n1> very happy we have a couple new people on the team :)
[20:05:11] <janrinok> a few bits every 30 seconds - that's worse than my old dial-up!
[20:05:03] <n1> yeah, i have been - personal blah. I spoke briefly with Azrael a few days ago when interest in becoming an editor was noted.
[20:05:01] <mrcoolbp> k
[20:04:49] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: i’ll do the cache update when you are done
[20:04:38] <mrcoolbp> k, need to add them to the authors page, but bits are coming in 30 seconds
[20:04:21] <LaminatorX> Yes, please.
[20:04:01] <mrcoolbp> LaminatorX: want I should grant them?
[20:04:00] <janrinok> n1 good thanks - you've obviously been busy for a day or two. Have you met with Azrael yet?
[20:02:58] <n1> hey janrinok, hope you are well
[20:01:16] <zizban> amen!
[20:00:38] <janrinok> the more - the merrier!
[20:00:26] <janrinok> agreed
[20:00:17] <LaminatorX> I think we're about ready to get these two editor bits on production and start having them do second-looks.
[20:00:03] <zizban> Oh boy ;)
[19:59:46] <janrinok> zizban: I'm here if you want me to talk you through them - there is a 'problem' (or two) with each one of them.
[19:59:39] <zizban> sounds good
[19:59:33] <zizban> OK
[19:59:03] <LaminatorX> II suggest going through the couple more samples that Janrinok queued up for you as practice, then I'll look them over.
[19:57:40] <zizban> Okay
[19:56:03] <LaminatorX> There ya go then.
[19:55:53] <zizban> I remember it. I actually commented on that story.
[19:55:00] <LaminatorX> If you look for it in the main page (you'll have to go back a couple days) you'll only see the first paragraph or so.
[19:53:57] <zizban> I see it
[19:53:35] <LaminatorX> "production"
[19:53:22] <LaminatorX> Take a look at this story on prodiction: http://soylentnews.org
[19:52:03] * janrinok is back, reporting for duty.
[19:51:52] <LaminatorX> When viewing the story itself, your only cue would be the "Edit" link being in the middle of the story, rather than at the bottom. If you post it to the feed though, you'll only see the part in the upper box on the main page. Hold on, I'll find an exampple.
[19:49:10] <zizban> Is it supposed to something like "Below the fold" after I preview it?
[19:46:25] <zizban> Ok
[19:45:26] <LaminatorX> Take it for a spin. :)
[19:44:12] <zizban> Gotca
[19:44:10] <zizban> Oh you mean that
[19:43:59] <LaminatorX> You will get whatever tags were present pasted in, but you cant open a tag in the upper section and close it in the lower.
[19:43:03] <LaminatorX> You'll need to open a new <blockquote> if you split the story in the middle of a long quoted section, for example.
[19:42:57] <zizban> So you can't just cipy and paste? You have to reformat?
[19:42:32] <zizban> OK
[19:42:27] <LaminatorX> Be advised thoughn that HTML tags do not carry through the two sections.
[19:42:03] <LaminatorX> Anything you move into that box will only be displayed when the reader clicks through to the story & comments,.
[19:41:40] <zizban> ah got it
[19:40:50] <LaminatorX> Once you Preview it, you'll see below the main edit area an "Extended Copy" section.
[19:40:39] <zizban> How does one do that?
[19:40:04] <zizban> Ok
[19:39:54] <LaminatorX> We like in deapth articles when they come along, but a Wall -of-Text on the main page throws off the flow of stories. We have the ability to place part of the story "below the fold" so to speak.
[19:39:52] <zizban> I'm here
[19:38:33] <zizban> OK
[19:37:53] <LaminatorX> Take a look in the submission bin, at "Zizbans 3rd test story ."
[19:31:19] <zizban> That was cool. I have save it for my own reference.
[19:26:51] <zizban> OK
[19:26:18] <LaminatorX> Nice. It occurs to me I just explained a bunch of things to Azrael yesterday, and this channel is logged. If you have a moment, take a look over 17:00-18:00 from yesterday: http://logs.sylnt.us
[19:25:44] <zizban> By here, I mean my work :)
[19:24:24] <zizban> Its actually easer than the internal system we use here
[19:24:14] <zizban> Nope, not yet. It seems pretty straight forward.
[19:22:28] <LaminatorX> I see you've posted a couple of stories on dev. Do you have any questions?
[19:19:47] <zizban> LOL
[19:19:38] <n1> you have enough qualifications to make up for the ones i don't have ;)
[19:18:42] * zizban can put his English degree to work
[19:18:35] <zizban> Thanks all. I am happy to be here
[19:18:24] <n1> welcome to the team, zizban :)
[19:17:45] <zizban> I did! I had some issues getting on from this slow, slow work computer
[19:17:23] <LaminatorX> He came back!
[19:17:22] <zizban> hi all
[19:17:11] <n1> hi zizban
[19:16:51] <n1> thanks for sharing
[19:16:48] <n1> this is pretty entertaining
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[19:12:44] <LaminatorX> Rollins talks about opening for Iron Maiden: https://www.youtube.com
[19:12:04] <n1> except one time for when i saw david gray, he did two sets because there was no support act.
[19:11:36] <n1> it sucks when you have an hour or so standing/sitting around because an act didn't show
[19:10:51] <n1> thats pretty cool you were able to step in and save the day!
[19:10:21] <n1> thats good, an ethusiastic audience is nice - i feel bad for support acts when the crowd doesn't get behind them because they're waiting for the main act
[19:10:16] <LaminatorX> Total last minute walk on type thing because an act cancelled and we happened to be in the neighborhood.
[19:09:43] <n1> tripped into?
[19:09:40] <LaminatorX> Theater folk are an enthusiastic audience.
[19:09:21] <LaminatorX> My band tripped into playing at the kickoff party for a theatre festival last night. That was a treat.
[19:09:10] <n1> except more people to make me look bad :p
[19:09:04] <n1> good times :D
[19:08:30] <mrcoolbp> heads up, they are still learning on dev
[19:08:22] <mrcoolbp> Azrael and zizban
[19:08:17] <mrcoolbp> we got two new potential editors
[19:08:10] <mrcoolbp> we're pretty decent n1
[19:07:40] <n1> hope you guys are all good?
[19:07:36] <n1> shall keep moving forward
[19:07:03] <LaminatorX> Sorry to hear that. things were rough.
[19:05:58] <n1> thanks guys, personal shit really took over and not for the better. Things are fixed now, I think/hope.
[19:04:07] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 1
[19:04:07] <LaminatorX> Teamwork++
[19:03:28] <Woods> No worries, n1, we got your back.
[18:56:43] <n1> many apologies for my absence the last few days
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[18:04:13] <mattie_p> "You won't get any dessert if you keep this up. Now eat your greens and post nice stories about your brother."
[18:02:52] <Woods> "I will turn this chat around"
[18:02:52] <mattie_p> but I won't
[18:02:40] <mattie_p> I'm tempted to use my parent tone here. "I don't care who started it, I'm ending it."
[18:02:09] <Woods> Janrinok started it.
[18:01:36] <mattie_p> oh, are we doing the height thing again? I thought we discussed that a few days ago
[18:01:34] <Azrael> I am really lazy, sooo... No-fives!
[18:01:09] <Woods> I am really tall, sooo... Low-fives!
[18:01:03] <janrinok> to oblivion?
[18:00:44] <mattie_p> and I have mod points, I am going to use them all in that story probably
[18:00:37] <janrinok> I'm not very tall - intermediate fives for me
[18:00:22] * mattie_p high-fives all around.
[18:00:07] <janrinok> good effort - you are on fire today
[17:59:37] <Woods> Party time.
[17:59:28] <mattie_p> 3 minutes to release, looks good to me
[17:59:03] <janrinok> fixed - looks good to go
[17:57:52] <mattie_p> missing period at very tail end
[17:57:10] <janrinok> got it
[17:56:40] <mattie_p> its near the current release, so not on top
[17:56:26] <mattie_p> http://soylentnews.org
[17:56:18] <janrinok> not seen in story list
[17:56:15] <Woods> I forgot to fix the title case, BTW
[17:55:40] <mattie_p> looking now
[17:55:30] <janrinok> on it Woods
[17:54:35] <Woods> Mattie_p, Janrinok: Can you check over that story real quick? It will go out in about 8 minutes.
[17:53:04] <Azrael> janrinok: yes and no
[17:49:24] <janrinok> Azrael: are you still on channel? and have you met n1 yet?
[17:48:23] <janrinok> ...its OK, its yours
[17:47:37] <janrinok> ...cage match?
[17:47:26] <mattie_p> sure, but good catch on seeing it quickly and knowing news like that needs posting ASAP
[17:46:49] <Woods> IT will take a minute, lots of editing to do, messed up characters, etc.
[17:43:20] <mattie_p> get it in quick
[17:42:29] <mattie_p> Woods: go for it
[17:42:18] <janrinok> Woods: you be amazed - our second music system is still packed up.
[17:42:09] <Woods> I am going to tackle "US Supreme Court rules against software patents " and cut it in line on the queue.
[17:41:10] <Woods> Janrinok: Usually a good indicator that you can throw the boxes away (Unless they hold things of sentimental value)
[17:40:57] <mattie_p> I don't know if we have anything that old still in boxes... but we might
[17:40:24] <janrinok> I've been here for 7 years and still have some boxes to unpack. Just don't think that I need the contents just yet....
[17:39:35] <mattie_p> if its a quick move like this sometimes that doesn't happen
[17:39:22] <mattie_p> yeah, some of the stuff didn't even leave boxes from the last one, except for some culling
[17:34:09] <janrinok> You'll be used to moving though with the mil background. I lost count after about 15-16 moves.
[17:33:23] <janrinok> Then you have the pleasure of unpacking them all again - and trying to work out where to put things.
[17:32:47] <mattie_p> not yet, but we can always go back for more
[17:32:34] <janrinok> hi mattie_p - run out of boxes yet?
[17:32:13] <mattie_p> yeah, we all started in Feb, so late feb early march sounds about right for the new editors
[17:31:49] <janrinok> Yep, sounds about right.
[17:31:03] <Woods> Mid March, I believe.
[17:30:50] <janrinok> Was it only Feb/Mar time?
[17:30:24] <janrinok> I can remember doing mine with Lam, mattie_p and Dopefish.
[17:30:11] <Woods> If I were to say how long it /feels/ since I started, I would say a year and a half, maybe two.
[17:29:40] <Woods> Oh no, you should not ask me that, my sense of time is all jacked up.
[17:28:46] <janrinok> Woods: How long ago does it now seem since you were doing this?
[17:27:28] <janrinok> As long as you leave me out of the cage contest - I'd be frightened of losing!
[17:26:48] * LaminatorX nods.
[17:26:35] <janrinok> LaminatorX: The first one is very long, I would suggest that he splits it into story and extended story.
[17:25:59] <LaminatorX> Blitz posting!
[17:25:47] <janrinok> lol
[17:25:37] <Woods> We should have Zizban and Azrael do some editing at the same time, kinda like a cage match. Whoever comes out alive without carpal tunnel , wins.
[17:25:35] <LaminatorX> Sure, thanks.
[17:24:13] <janrinok> If I'm on later I'll happily go through it with him, but if you would rather do it - or if I am away - then at least you know what they are for.
[17:23:24] <LaminatorX> Nice.
[17:22:56] <janrinok> LaminatorX: I've put a couple of submissions in the queue. They have plain text and HTML formatting, and the topics are incorrect. Its just to get him to go through the procedures of changing things etc.
[17:20:21] <LaminatorX> Unleash the ferrets!
[17:20:11] <janrinok> Yes, he had a good play but we now need to start doing some editing. I'm just preparing 2 submissions for him to work on later.
[17:20:03] <Woods> LaminatorX: Or it went really poorly, and he has escaped.
[17:19:23] <janrinok> I think I took tablets for that complaint
[17:19:14] * LaminatorX scrolls back. "Looks like that went well."
[17:18:56] <janrinok> lol
[17:18:24] LaminatorX|afk is now known as LaminatorX
[17:16:19] <Woods> While submitting a story, I searched for a Wikipedia link for "Stellar paroxysm", and now I am listening to a song by Lithium Dawn.
[17:14:01] -!- Bytram|away has quit [Quit: Leaving]
[17:13:44] -!- zizban has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[17:13:42] <zizban> I see that. BBL!
[17:13:28] * janrinok blushes
[17:13:19] <Bytram|away> zizban: btw, janrinok got *me* up to speed - you're in very good hands!
[17:13:17] <janrinok> np, someone will be around later to help - just call out.
[17:12:58] <zizban> Thanks for the lessons :)
[17:12:53] <zizban> I gotta get ready for work. I'll be back in a couple of hours.
[17:12:27] <janrinok> How are you for time - do you want to do some more?
[17:11:51] Bytram|afk is now known as Bytram|away
[17:11:31] <janrinok> That's an important lesson. We have all been in the position of having a released story that, for some reason, has to be stopped. That is how you do it!
[17:10:54] <zizban> Indeed
[17:10:35] <janrinok> If you now 'Update' rather than preview it will show the story page with your story marked grey - unreleased.
[17:09:55] <zizban> OK
[17:09:25] <janrinok> Once you are back in the editor, move down to the 'Display' checkbox, and un-tick it.
[17:08:57] <zizban> OK
[17:07:31] <janrinok> On the 'Story List', click the title of your story 2 and it will take you back to the editor.
[17:06:41] <janrinok> OK, ziz, so we now want to 'unrelease' your second story so that it doesn't get published.
[17:05:28] <zizban> Very cool.
[17:04:49] <zizban> Ok
[17:04:09] <mrcoolbp> zizban: notice the time a story is going out, and the "display" checkbox, those are what decide when/if the story will show up on the main page
[17:03:36] <janrinok> yep, preview until you are _sure_ that you have finished. But there are still ways to recover even after this point.
[17:03:13] <zizban> LOL
[17:02:58] <janrinok> zizban: I released my first test story to the whole world on the other site!
[17:02:56] <zizban> ready?
[17:02:51] <zizban> it's always preview until it's reqady to go?
[17:02:36] <zizban> Me!
[17:02:35] <janrinok> lol
[17:02:31] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: who would do such a thing!?>!
[17:02:30] <zizban> ooops
[17:02:26] <zizban> That would be me on both
[17:02:18] <janrinok> At somepoint someone selected 'save' rather than 'preview' during editing
[17:02:17] <mrcoolbp> zizban: "test 2" is set to release now
[17:02:14] <zizban> OK
[17:01:58] <mrcoolbp> oh he accepted the submission
[17:01:29] <janrinok> You will note that they have disappeared from the submissions list but are now in the stories list.
[17:01:23] <mrcoolbp> (the submission list)
[17:01:18] <mrcoolbp> refresh
[17:01:07] <zizban> janrinok: I dont see your comment
[17:00:47] <janrinok> OK, a couple of teaching points here. Both your stories have been accepted - and the second has also been released - at least on dev.
[16:59:14] <janrinok> I've just added a comment to you on your second sub
[16:59:02] <mrcoolbp> type something in one of the text boxes and click "update"
[16:58:48] <zizban> ya I saw that
[16:58:38] <mrcoolbp> zizban: one of them says "theres been html only gmail for a long time"
[16:58:33] <zizban> Cool. Wow, this pretty awesome
[16:58:09] <mrcoolbp> zizban if open the submissions page, you'll see the text boxes on the left where we can leave notes to eachother
[16:58:09] * zizban hates editorials in news postings
[16:57:46] <zizban> Gotcha
[16:57:35] <mrcoolbp> zizban: if it's an opinion we usually reccomend saving that for the comments
[16:57:29] <zizban> I just tested it. Works good
[16:57:09] <janrinok> There are no hard and fast rules - although everyone uses the square brackets - but the essential thing is to ensure that the reader can differentiate between the story and your comments.
[16:56:56] <mrcoolbp> er ]
[16:56:53] <mrcoolbp> [Ed. Note: foo bar baz }
[16:56:43] <mrcoolbp> but it would be:
[16:56:43] <zizban> though knowing how to note to other editors would be cool
[16:56:38] <mrcoolbp> we don't do those very often
[16:56:29] <zizban> No, just ed's comment
[16:56:20] <mrcoolbp> e.g. "this is a dupe"
[16:56:13] <mrcoolbp> zizban: are you talking about notes to other editors?
[16:55:58] <zizban> Oh
[16:55:55] <zizban> Yes
[16:55:54] <Woods> Use square brackets. ^
[16:55:47] <janrinok> I'm assuming you mean [Ed's Comment] sort of thing?
[16:55:17] <zizban> How do you add editorial comments to the story? Is there a mark up so it's seen
[16:55:02] <janrinok> There are a few cludges but, once you get used to it, it does the job.
[16:54:58] <mrcoolbp> yeah it's a really cool system
[16:54:26] <zizban> not a bad editing process. pretty neat
[16:54:14] <zizban> exploring the options
[16:54:08] <zizban> I am fine
[16:54:07] <mrcoolbp> totally
[16:54:01] <zizban> LOL ya
[16:53:49] <Woods> Zizban: Unless you have a natural understanding of converting time zones, you may want to find a site that shows current UTC time in 24 hour format.
[16:53:43] <janrinok> are you ok ziz?
[16:52:30] <zizban> Interesting
[16:50:37] <Bytram|afk> np
[16:50:13] <mrcoolbp> appreciated Bytram
[16:49:52] <zizban> OK
[16:49:25] <janrinok> Bytram|afk: thanks for that.
[16:49:17] <Bytram|afk> s/ontol/onto/
[16:49:08] <Bytram|afk> I just tossed a note ontol #Soylent asking them to give you a heads up before they load UTF-8 support here.
[16:49:01] <mrcoolbp> play around a bit, let us know if you have any questions here
[16:47:59] <zizban> I see that
[16:47:48] <mrcoolbp> zizban: a few things: notice that all the times are in UTC, and that when you are on one of the editing pages, you can scroll to the bottom of the page to see what other editors are working on
[16:47:43] <janrinok> I'm available now ziz, if you want me to assist, or you can continue with mrcoolbp as you wish.
[16:47:25] <zizban> That's moby dick for you
[16:47:15] <Bytram|afk> Public Service Announcement: TheMightBuzzard has been hard at work implementing UTF-8 character support. At some time in the not-to-distant future, he'll be handing it off to paulej72 for loading on to dev.
[16:46:56] <janrinok> zizban: that is quite a chunk of text!
[16:46:56] <mrcoolbp> take a look at the "Editing Process" page now and it should describe everything in great detail
[16:46:29] <zizban> Got it
[16:46:19] <mrcoolbp> zizban: if you uncheck "display" nothing we screw up will be visible just yet
[16:45:56] <zizban> ok
[16:45:50] <mrcoolbp> ah that its
[16:45:45] <zizban> It was "preview" but I am here
[16:45:37] <mrcoolbp> zizban: once in the main editing panel, you can just un-check "display" and your story won't hit the main page for now
[16:44:00] <mrcoolbp> that should bring you to the main editing panel
[16:43:31] <mrcoolbp> okay I think you should see "update" below the body text, go ahead and click that
[16:42:56] <zizban> done
[16:42:29] <mrcoolbp> okay, add a "department"
[16:42:15] <zizban> OK here
[16:41:46] <Woods> Janrinok: Nobody ever lives up to my imagination, unfortunately.
[16:41:30] <Woods> lol
[16:41:22] <janrinok> Woods: If only you could see me - on second thoughts, probably not, it would put you off your lunch.
[16:41:19] <mrcoolbp> go into one of your test stories
[16:41:17] <zizban> ok
[16:41:06] <mrcoolbp> zizban: this is the dev server, it get's dumped from the production server occasionally
[16:40:08] <Woods> Azrael: Janrinok wears a nice jacket while sitting in a comfy chair on the hearth next to the fireplace while smoking his pipe. He is the most British person I know... The, Britishest, if you will.
[16:40:08] <zizban> I see the submission que...some of these go way back
[16:38:55] <mrcoolbp> if you click on "Submissions" you can now go into a submission and start editing
[16:38:52] <Azrael> janrinok: boo and yay? ;)
[16:38:41] <zizban> OK
[16:38:37] <janrinok> Never got to drop one, so not too bad. Azrael: I'm in UTC+1, NW France although I'm a Brit.
[16:38:20] <mrcoolbp> now might be a good time to fire that page back up
[16:38:10] <zizban> I have!
[16:37:59] <Azrael> janrinok: I'm in UTC-0
[16:37:57] <mrcoolbp> did you read the "Editing Process"?
[16:37:53] <Woods> I did not know about the Vulcan flying bit, sounds pretty badass.
[16:37:49] <janrinok> zizban: and you are not the only user of that site!
[16:37:48] <mrcoolbp> nah, you should be good to play around a bit
[16:37:43] <zizban> With great power...and all that :)
[16:37:30] <mrcoolbp> zizban: please note you may be able to break the site, use caution = )
[16:37:13] <zizban> mrcoolbp: I did! thanks
[16:36:50] <janrinok> As you know I'm now retired, but I suspect that I joined the Air Force before you were born, and I spent a fair amount of the 70's and early 80's flying on Vulcan nuclear bombers. So, when I say 'Get Off My Lawn', you had better hope that I didn't take any of my work home with me....
[16:36:22] <mrcoolbp> zizban: did you notice your admin privs on dev?
[16:35:02] <Woods> lol
[16:30:22] <janrinok> mentally, perhaps, but in real terms quite a bit more...
[16:29:56] <Woods> mmhmmm... So you are at LEAST 3 years old.
[16:29:56] <janrinok> Azrael: where abouts are you?
[16:28:53] <janrinok> I think you know that I'm a little bit older than that..... Now pass me my pipe and slippers, give me my cup of cocoa, and 'Get Off My Lawn!'
[16:28:04] <Woods> Looks like Hugh Pickens posted an extra link, NEW CONTENT, IT MUST BE ADDED
[16:27:08] <zizban> LOL
[16:26:49] <Woods> So what, like... Two years ago?
[16:26:08] <janrinok> I haven't been called that since 'I were a lad', as they say where I'm from.
[16:25:37] <Woods> oh you guys... Such rapscallions.
[16:25:14] <janrinok> rofl
[16:25:09] * Azrael races to also submit
[16:23:54] <janrinok> I might even submit it myself in 15 minutes then....
[16:23:49] <Woods> I mean, as long as he has something to add...
[16:23:35] <Woods> Might as well. Credit for everyone!
[16:23:14] <janrinok> I think your work so far is enough - unless you particularly want to do it!
[16:22:54] <Woods> Janrinok: Why not?
[16:22:33] <janrinok> Woods: Hugh Pickens has just submitted the Redskins story - do you want to merge the 3rd version into your previous 2 attempts? I wouldn't !
[16:20:51] <zizban> LOL
[16:20:44] <janrinok> that sounds like you are considering surgery of some kind....
[16:20:35] <zizban> punch
[16:20:30] * zizban can't wait to p8unch Melville in the face
[16:20:19] <zizban> OH boy I get to fix parts of Moby Dick!
[16:19:45] <janrinok> you get to fix it later!
[16:19:28] <zizban> cool. submitted my first story
[16:19:14] <mrcoolbp> zizban, you have editor privlidges on the dev site now, so there will be an admin bar at the top
[16:14:54] <janrinok> any probs come back here and shout out for me.
[16:14:39] <zizban> OK
[16:14:19] <janrinok> ok, its exactly the same as the main site except its dev.soylentnews.org You should already be a user there - your details are copied from you real account. Log yourself on, and submit a couple of stories as you would to the main site. We will use them to edit later. They don't have to contain anything real - either cut and paste a piece of text or just write a couple of paragraphs of rubbish.
[16:12:10] <zizban> I dont even know how to do it
[16:11:51] <zizban> Nope
[16:11:45] <janrinok> zizban: Have you logged on to dev before?
[16:09:36] * zizban opens his first can of soda for the day
[16:08:16] * janrinok falls over, forgot to lower leg again
[16:08:07] * mrcoolbp makes coffee
[16:07:52] * Woods high-fives Mrcoolbp unexpectedly
[16:07:13] * janrinok raises leg - because he's busy typing....
[16:06:50] * mrcoolbp raises hand
[16:06:37] <Woods> No worries Azrael, I blame Mrcoolbp for it.
[16:05:48] <Azrael> sorry :)
[16:05:18] <Woods> Oh, he was doing stuff on Dev the other day, I guess that slipped my mind
[16:04:49] <Woods> Oh, well... Fine... Nevermind...
[16:04:24] <mrcoolbp> Woods: Azrael does not have the proper bits on production yet
[16:01:34] <Woods> Azrael: Would you mind taking a second look at the "Anti-Drug-Resistant Breakthrough - But Still a Long Way to go" story that is in the queue?
[16:01:14] <zizban> It didn't and everything is fine :)
[16:00:52] <janrinok> zizban: that sounded a bit stand-offish, apologies if it did. My wife is invalid and I have to take care of her quite a lot, so it is hard to forecast when I will be free. But, all going well, in a short while I might get some spare time.
[15:59:40] <zizban> OK
[15:59:20] <janrinok> OK, no promises, but I will see what I can do.
[15:59:05] <zizban> Yep for another hour ish
[15:58:56] <janrinok> zizban: I'm just getting my stories out at the moment, will you be on channel for a while?
[15:58:35] LaminatorX is now known as LaminatorX|afk
[15:58:14] <janrinok> not very original, but I liked it....
[15:57:53] <Woods> Janrinok: "from the chip-off-the-old-block dept." I see what you did there.
[15:57:50] <janrinok> lo;
[15:57:42] <LaminatorX> Alright, I need to step away. If anyone else would like to show ziz around on dev in the meantime feel free. We'll go in deapth this afternoon.
[15:57:41] <Azrael> janrinok: I think I am up to speed, though i am still dead
[15:57:02] <zizban> cool see you then
[15:56:48] <LaminatorX> 1est is great actually. I have a couple of big reports to run around then that take forever. :)
[15:56:02] <zizban> how/how
[15:55:59] <janrinok> Azrael: are you up to speed now and live?
[15:55:58] <zizban> Hoe about 1pm EST? I'll be doing paperwork then so that will be great, or 2pm est
[15:55:36] <Azrael> janrinok: :D
[15:55:22] <LaminatorX> I'm in St. Louis, so we're only an hour apart. I have some flexability as to when I take lunch as well. What works for you?
[15:54:27] <zizban> What time would that be?
[15:53:59] <LaminatorX> I have a meeting in a few minutes here at work. Would you like to go over things at lunchtime, zizban?
[15:52:02] <janrinok> an hi to Azrael also - didn't notice your comment up the page until now.
[15:51:48] <mrcoolbp> done, and g'mornin gents
[15:51:36] <janrinok> hi mrcoolbp
[15:51:33] <LaminatorX> Let's do that. mrcoolbp, thank you.
[15:50:55] <mrcoolbp> LaminatorX: here if you need editor bits granted on dev or whatever
[15:50:23] <LaminatorX> I do like the bots on #Soylent though, useful and fun.
[15:50:18] Bytram is now known as Bytram|afk
[15:49:24] <Bender> karma - laminatorx: 6
[15:49:24] <Bytram> LaminatorX++ Point well made. Thanks!
[15:48:31] * zizban nods
[15:48:17] <janrinok> plus we have far fewer submissions over the weekend and we have to try to make something from what we have. We got down to 3 submissions last weekend - and not all of those were suitable for publishing.
[15:48:13] <LaminatorX> If I see activity on #editorial, that's currently an inication of actual communication, rather than bot updates.
[15:48:02] * Bytram SO enjoyed "The Princess Bride"!
[15:47:41] <Bytram> as you wish.
[15:47:20] <LaminatorX> I'd as soon not have the bot echo stories here.
[15:47:02] <Bytram> iteresting... Bender *is* here already. Must be some setting that has to be tweaked to get him to cough up the news.
[15:46:44] <zizban> janrinok: I see that. The bad bad on weekend for me is usually Sundays.
[15:46:03] <janrinok> zizban: Weekends are the worst time. Those that usually edit at work are not working and so don't have that 'mental trigger' to do some editing. And others, not unreasonably, want to enjoy their weekend. It can often fall to a small number of eds trying to do the whole day, but we slow down at weekends anyway to make it a bit more manageable.
[15:46:02] <zizban> That's a good idea
[15:45:15] <Bytram> you know, it would make sense to have a bot autopost to THIS channel when stories go live, just like is done in #Soylent
[15:45:10] <Azrael> 'Win loose, or draw' could work...
[15:44:45] <Bytram> np
[15:44:18] <Woods> Dang it, I missed that.
[15:44:10] <LaminatorX> Thank you, sir.
[15:43:27] <Bytram> FYI, just changed latest story's dept from "Win-Loose-or-Draw" to "Win-Lose-or-Draw"
[15:42:58] <zizban> Same here. I'd edit whenever I had a chance.
[15:42:50] <Woods> (tm)
[15:42:37] <LaminatorX> Most of my failures thusly arise from Editing While Tired.
[15:42:03] <LaminatorX> I actually end up doing most of my stories before bed and after breakfast, since we've got several folks around during the day, but it's flexible.
[15:41:23] <zizban> doing/during
[15:41:01] <Woods> I ONLY edit at work.
[15:40:58] * zizban is only working a few hours this afternoon
[15:40:43] <zizban> I hear you. I am usually at work when on IRC doing the day
[15:40:31] <zizban> Yes, that is a good plan. I'd hate to be one of three or four.
[15:40:28] <LaminatorX> (This is counterveiled a bit by the fact that many of us are doing this in free moments at another job anyway, but there you go.)
[15:39:39] <LaminatorX> Some of us work on other things too, but the /. crew is mostly the site admins and developers posting stories.
[15:38:49] <LaminatorX> A key difference between how we're approaching this and how /. does is that we have multiple people whose actual role is "Editor."
[15:38:33] <janrinok> I'd better do some work - and I'll try to avoid the poo-traps.
[15:36:57] <Woods> Janrinok: Like just now? :P
[15:36:24] <zizban> lol I'm sure
[15:35:57] <janrinok> zizban: there have been plenty of cock-ups behind the scenes then. I'm pleased that they haven't been obvious, but we have had our fair share of 'now why did I do that?' moments.
[15:34:58] <zizban> No, SN has been pretty good so far
[15:34:37] <janrinok> that was an interesting couple of weeks.
[15:34:11] <LaminatorX> I won't claim I've never been in a hurry and overlooked things, especially during that streak when it was just Janrinok and I cranking out all the stories.
[15:33:24] <janrinok> or we just kept publishing the same story....
[15:33:04] <Woods> This whole thing would be simpler if everyone used the same headlines.
[15:32:47] <zizban> GRR
[15:32:45] <zizban> My biggest gripe on that other site was editors seemed in a rush. Just make sure everything looks good and check links. Unless Microsoft is declaring Windows open source there is no rush.
[15:32:36] <LaminatorX> I like to keep things simple.
[15:32:23] <Woods> LaminatorX: I actually kinda believe you.
[15:32:15] <janrinok> I had spotted that redskins bit ....
[15:31:53] <Woods> I definitely did not make a mistake right this instant, when I did not merge these two stories. No siree.
[15:31:37] <LaminatorX> I maintain a comprehensive hosts file. It gets a little unweildy from time to time, so I print it out and store all the sites I don't visit very often in a shelf full of 3-ring binders.
[15:31:20] <Bytram> janrinok: I'm trying to, but everytime I scroll part-way down a drop-down-list with over 100 entries in it, someone tries to talk to me here! (nice to be popular, I guess! =)
[15:31:15] <janrinok> I've never made _a_ mistake either - they always come in multiple mistakes, often caused by me trying to fix my first one...
[15:30:27] <janrinok> rofl
[15:30:15] <Woods> I have never made a mistake on SN. Especially not that one time.
[15:30:11] <janrinok> Bytram: get back to your UTF-8....
[15:29:50] <Bender> karma - janrinok: 6
[15:29:50] <Bytram> janrinok++ Yup, been there and done that!
[15:29:39] <Woods> Zizban: I printed out the wiki, fed it through a shredder, and topped it with some salad dressing. I found that the best way to digest it.
[15:29:38] <zizban> lol
[15:29:32] <janrinok> after a few days you begin to wonder why it seemed so difficult, then you get confident, and then you make a cock-up, just like every other editor! lol
[15:29:29] <zizban> Yup
[15:29:23] <LaminatorX> Am I remembering right that you're East Coast US?
[15:28:45] <zizban> I imagine
[15:28:32] <janrinok> zizban: it doesn't all fall into place until you have been through it a few times, both reading and practical.
[15:28:24] <Bytram> Woods: How's that again? ;) Just 'cause you don't see me, doesn't mean I ain't here! =)
[15:28:02] <zizban> So I can digest it
[15:27:37] <zizban> Nope, not yet. I read it once but I'll read it again later.
[15:27:25] <janrinok> just second ed'ed your stories
[15:27:05] <Woods> Hola
[15:27:00] <janrinok> hi Woods
[15:26:53] <LaminatorX> Any questions from the wiki material?
[15:26:52] <Woods> Except for Bytram, that guy is never busy.
[15:26:38] <janrinok> we are _always_ busy - or so it seems.
[15:26:19] <zizban> I figured you were busy no rush
[15:26:15] <janrinok> good start...
[15:26:05] <zizban> Not yet. I have his email and I've read the wiki.
[15:26:04] <LaminatorX> A few, I hope. We havent done training yet.
[15:25:43] <janrinok> zizban: have you done any training yet with LaminatorX ? Hi LaminatorX - great effort this morning. Are there any stories left?
[15:25:36] <zizban> hi
[15:25:17] <LaminatorX> Hi there, folks.
[15:25:02] <zizban> Ha no problem
[15:25:00] <janrinok> ok Bytram understood!
[15:24:48] <Bytram> I'm having a fun conversation with the buzzard in #soylent about UTF-8 support. Pardon me if I don't respond immediately -- kinda distracted. =)
[15:24:46] <janrinok> welcome to the mad house!
[15:24:39] <zizban> Indeed I am!
[15:24:29] <janrinok> zizban - I think you are joining us, aren't you?
[15:24:17] <zizban> Thanks!
[15:24:05] <Bytram> thanks!
[15:23:52] <janrinok> zizbaN, Bytram good afternoon to you both!
[15:23:28] <Bytram> G'Morning!
[15:23:24] <zizban> hi
[15:23:20] <janrinok> hi guys
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[15:23:07] <Bytram> welcome to the #editorial channel!
[15:22:55] <Woods> Yo.
[15:21:18] <zizban> Good morning, all!
[15:20:26] <Bytram> zizban: Good Morning!
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