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[15:20:26] <Bytram> zizban: Good Morning!
[15:21:18] <zizban> Good morning, all!
[15:22:55] <Woods> Yo.
[15:23:07] <Bytram> welcome to the #editorial channel!
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[15:23:20] <janrinok> hi guys
[15:23:24] <zizban> hi
[15:23:28] <Bytram> G'Morning!
[15:23:52] <janrinok> zizbaN, Bytram good afternoon to you both!
[15:24:05] <Bytram> thanks!
[15:24:17] <zizban> Thanks!
[15:24:29] <janrinok> zizban - I think you are joining us, aren't you?
[15:24:39] <zizban> Indeed I am!
[15:24:46] <janrinok> welcome to the mad house!
[15:24:48] <Bytram> I'm having a fun conversation with the buzzard in #soylent about UTF-8 support. Pardon me if I don't respond immediately -- kinda distracted. =)
[15:25:00] <janrinok> ok Bytram understood!
[15:25:02] <zizban> Ha no problem
[15:25:17] <LaminatorX> Hi there, folks.
[15:25:36] <zizban> hi
[15:25:43] <janrinok> zizban: have you done any training yet with LaminatorX ? Hi LaminatorX - great effort this morning. Are there any stories left?
[15:26:04] <LaminatorX> A few, I hope. We havent done training yet.
[15:26:05] <zizban> Not yet. I have his email and I've read the wiki.
[15:26:15] <janrinok> good start...
[15:26:19] <zizban> I figured you were busy no rush
[15:26:38] <janrinok> we are _always_ busy - or so it seems.
[15:26:52] <Woods> Except for Bytram, that guy is never busy.
[15:26:53] <LaminatorX> Any questions from the wiki material?
[15:27:00] <janrinok> hi Woods
[15:27:05] <Woods> Hola
[15:27:25] <janrinok> just second ed'ed your stories
[15:27:37] <zizban> Nope, not yet. I read it once but I'll read it again later.
[15:28:02] <zizban> So I can digest it
[15:28:24] <Bytram> Woods: How's that again? ;) Just 'cause you don't see me, doesn't mean I ain't here! =)
[15:28:32] <janrinok> zizban: it doesn't all fall into place until you have been through it a few times, both reading and practical.
[15:28:45] <zizban> I imagine
[15:29:23] <LaminatorX> Am I remembering right that you're East Coast US?
[15:29:29] <zizban> Yup
[15:29:32] <janrinok> after a few days you begin to wonder why it seemed so difficult, then you get confident, and then you make a cock-up, just like every other editor! lol
[15:29:38] <zizban> lol
[15:29:39] <Woods> Zizban: I printed out the wiki, fed it through a shredder, and topped it with some salad dressing. I found that the best way to digest it.
[15:29:50] <Bytram> janrinok++ Yup, been there and done that!
[15:29:50] <Bender> karma - janrinok: 6
[15:30:11] <janrinok> Bytram: get back to your UTF-8....
[15:30:15] <Woods> I have never made a mistake on SN. Especially not that one time.
[15:30:27] <janrinok> rofl
[15:31:15] <janrinok> I've never made _a_ mistake either - they always come in multiple mistakes, often caused by me trying to fix my first one...
[15:31:20] <Bytram> janrinok: I'm trying to, but everytime I scroll part-way down a drop-down-list with over 100 entries in it, someone tries to talk to me here! (nice to be popular, I guess! =)
[15:31:37] <LaminatorX> I maintain a comprehensive hosts file. It gets a little unweildy from time to time, so I print it out and store all the sites I don't visit very often in a shelf full of 3-ring binders.
[15:31:53] <Woods> I definitely did not make a mistake right this instant, when I did not merge these two stories. No siree.
[15:32:15] <janrinok> I had spotted that redskins bit ....
[15:32:23] <Woods> LaminatorX: I actually kinda believe you.
[15:32:36] <LaminatorX> I like to keep things simple.
[15:32:45] <zizban> My biggest gripe on that other site was editors seemed in a rush. Just make sure everything looks good and check links. Unless Microsoft is declaring Windows open source there is no rush.
[15:32:47] <zizban> GRR
[15:33:04] <Woods> This whole thing would be simpler if everyone used the same headlines.
[15:33:24] <janrinok> or we just kept publishing the same story....
[15:34:11] <LaminatorX> I won't claim I've never been in a hurry and overlooked things, especially during that streak when it was just Janrinok and I cranking out all the stories.
[15:34:37] <janrinok> that was an interesting couple of weeks.
[15:34:58] <zizban> No, SN has been pretty good so far
[15:35:57] <janrinok> zizban: there have been plenty of cock-ups behind the scenes then. I'm pleased that they haven't been obvious, but we have had our fair share of 'now why did I do that?' moments.
[15:36:24] <zizban> lol I'm sure
[15:36:57] <Woods> Janrinok: Like just now? :P
[15:38:33] <janrinok> I'd better do some work - and I'll try to avoid the poo-traps.
[15:38:49] <LaminatorX> A key difference between how we're approaching this and how /. does is that we have multiple people whose actual role is "Editor."
[15:39:39] <LaminatorX> Some of us work on other things too, but the /. crew is mostly the site admins and developers posting stories.
[15:40:28] <LaminatorX> (This is counterveiled a bit by the fact that many of us are doing this in free moments at another job anyway, but there you go.)
[15:40:31] <zizban> Yes, that is a good plan. I'd hate to be one of three or four.
[15:40:43] <zizban> I hear you. I am usually at work when on IRC doing the day
[15:40:58] * zizban is only working a few hours this afternoon
[15:41:01] <Woods> I ONLY edit at work.
[15:41:23] <zizban> doing/during
[15:42:03] <LaminatorX> I actually end up doing most of my stories before bed and after breakfast, since we've got several folks around during the day, but it's flexible.
[15:42:37] <LaminatorX> Most of my failures thusly arise from Editing While Tired.
[15:42:50] <Woods> (tm)
[15:42:58] <zizban> Same here. I'd edit whenever I had a chance.
[15:43:27] <Bytram> FYI, just changed latest story's dept from "Win-Loose-or-Draw" to "Win-Lose-or-Draw"
[15:44:10] <LaminatorX> Thank you, sir.
[15:44:18] <Woods> Dang it, I missed that.
[15:44:45] <Bytram> np
[15:45:10] <Azrael> 'Win loose, or draw' could work...
[15:45:15] <Bytram> you know, it would make sense to have a bot autopost to THIS channel when stories go live, just like is done in #Soylent
[15:46:02] <zizban> That's a good idea
[15:46:03] <janrinok> zizban: Weekends are the worst time. Those that usually edit at work are not working and so don't have that 'mental trigger' to do some editing. And others, not unreasonably, want to enjoy their weekend. It can often fall to a small number of eds trying to do the whole day, but we slow down at weekends anyway to make it a bit more manageable.
[15:46:44] <zizban> janrinok: I see that. The bad bad on weekend for me is usually Sundays.
[15:47:02] <Bytram> iteresting... Bender *is* here already. Must be some setting that has to be tweaked to get him to cough up the news.
[15:47:20] <LaminatorX> I'd as soon not have the bot echo stories here.
[15:47:41] <Bytram> as you wish.
[15:48:02] * Bytram SO enjoyed "The Princess Bride"!
[15:48:13] <LaminatorX> If I see activity on #editorial, that's currently an inication of actual communication, rather than bot updates.
[15:48:17] <janrinok> plus we have far fewer submissions over the weekend and we have to try to make something from what we have. We got down to 3 submissions last weekend - and not all of those were suitable for publishing.
[15:48:31] * zizban nods
[15:49:24] <Bytram> LaminatorX++ Point well made. Thanks!
[15:49:24] <Bender> karma - laminatorx: 6
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[15:50:23] <LaminatorX> I do like the bots on #Soylent though, useful and fun.
[15:50:55] <mrcoolbp> LaminatorX: here if you need editor bits granted on dev or whatever
[15:51:33] <LaminatorX> Let's do that. mrcoolbp, thank you.
[15:51:36] <janrinok> hi mrcoolbp
[15:51:48] <mrcoolbp> done, and g'mornin gents
[15:52:02] <janrinok> an hi to Azrael also - didn't notice your comment up the page until now.
[15:53:59] <LaminatorX> I have a meeting in a few minutes here at work. Would you like to go over things at lunchtime, zizban?
[15:54:27] <zizban> What time would that be?
[15:55:22] <LaminatorX> I'm in St. Louis, so we're only an hour apart. I have some flexability as to when I take lunch as well. What works for you?
[15:55:36] <Azrael> janrinok: :D
[15:55:58] <zizban> Hoe about 1pm EST? I'll be doing paperwork then so that will be great, or 2pm est
[15:55:59] <janrinok> Azrael: are you up to speed now and live?
[15:56:02] <zizban> how/how
[15:56:48] <LaminatorX> 1est is great actually. I have a couple of big reports to run around then that take forever. :)
[15:57:02] <zizban> cool see you then
[15:57:41] <Azrael> janrinok: I think I am up to speed, though i am still dead
[15:57:42] <LaminatorX> Alright, I need to step away. If anyone else would like to show ziz around on dev in the meantime feel free. We'll go in deapth this afternoon.
[15:57:50] <janrinok> lo;
[15:57:53] <Woods> Janrinok: "from the chip-off-the-old-block dept." I see what you did there.
[15:58:14] <janrinok> not very original, but I liked it....
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[15:58:56] <janrinok> zizban: I'm just getting my stories out at the moment, will you be on channel for a while?
[15:59:05] <zizban> Yep for another hour ish
[15:59:20] <janrinok> OK, no promises, but I will see what I can do.
[15:59:40] <zizban> OK
[16:00:52] <janrinok> zizban: that sounded a bit stand-offish, apologies if it did. My wife is invalid and I have to take care of her quite a lot, so it is hard to forecast when I will be free. But, all going well, in a short while I might get some spare time.
[16:01:14] <zizban> It didn't and everything is fine :)
[16:01:34] <Woods> Azrael: Would you mind taking a second look at the "Anti-Drug-Resistant Breakthrough - But Still a Long Way to go" story that is in the queue?
[16:04:24] <mrcoolbp> Woods: Azrael does not have the proper bits on production yet
[16:04:49] <Woods> Oh, well... Fine... Nevermind...
[16:05:18] <Woods> Oh, he was doing stuff on Dev the other day, I guess that slipped my mind
[16:05:48] <Azrael> sorry :)
[16:06:37] <Woods> No worries Azrael, I blame Mrcoolbp for it.
[16:06:50] * mrcoolbp raises hand
[16:07:13] * janrinok raises leg - because he's busy typing....
[16:07:52] * Woods high-fives Mrcoolbp unexpectedly
[16:08:07] * mrcoolbp makes coffee
[16:08:16] * janrinok falls over, forgot to lower leg again
[16:09:36] * zizban opens his first can of soda for the day
[16:11:45] <janrinok> zizban: Have you logged on to dev before?
[16:11:51] <zizban> Nope
[16:12:10] <zizban> I dont even know how to do it
[16:14:19] <janrinok> ok, its exactly the same as the main site except its dev.soylentnews.org You should already be a user there - your details are copied from you real account. Log yourself on, and submit a couple of stories as you would to the main site. We will use them to edit later. They don't have to contain anything real - either cut and paste a piece of text or just write a couple of paragraphs of rubbish.
[16:14:39] <zizban> OK
[16:14:54] <janrinok> any probs come back here and shout out for me.
[16:19:14] <mrcoolbp> zizban, you have editor privlidges on the dev site now, so there will be an admin bar at the top
[16:19:28] <zizban> cool. submitted my first story
[16:19:45] <janrinok> you get to fix it later!
[16:20:19] <zizban> OH boy I get to fix parts of Moby Dick!
[16:20:30] * zizban can't wait to p8unch Melville in the face
[16:20:35] <zizban> punch
[16:20:44] <janrinok> that sounds like you are considering surgery of some kind....
[16:20:51] <zizban> LOL
[16:22:33] <janrinok> Woods: Hugh Pickens has just submitted the Redskins story - do you want to merge the 3rd version into your previous 2 attempts? I wouldn't !
[16:22:54] <Woods> Janrinok: Why not?
[16:23:14] <janrinok> I think your work so far is enough - unless you particularly want to do it!
[16:23:35] <Woods> Might as well. Credit for everyone!
[16:23:49] <Woods> I mean, as long as he has something to add...
[16:23:54] <janrinok> I might even submit it myself in 15 minutes then....
[16:25:09] * Azrael races to also submit
[16:25:14] <janrinok> rofl
[16:25:37] <Woods> oh you guys... Such rapscallions.
[16:26:08] <janrinok> I haven't been called that since 'I were a lad', as they say where I'm from.
[16:26:49] <Woods> So what, like... Two years ago?
[16:27:08] <zizban> LOL
[16:28:04] <Woods> Looks like Hugh Pickens posted an extra link, NEW CONTENT, IT MUST BE ADDED
[16:28:53] <janrinok> I think you know that I'm a little bit older than that..... Now pass me my pipe and slippers, give me my cup of cocoa, and 'Get Off My Lawn!'
[16:29:56] <janrinok> Azrael: where abouts are you?
[16:29:56] <Woods> mmhmmm... So you are at LEAST 3 years old.
[16:30:22] <janrinok> mentally, perhaps, but in real terms quite a bit more...
[16:35:02] <Woods> lol
[16:36:22] <mrcoolbp> zizban: did you notice your admin privs on dev?
[16:36:50] <janrinok> As you know I'm now retired, but I suspect that I joined the Air Force before you were born, and I spent a fair amount of the 70's and early 80's flying on Vulcan nuclear bombers. So, when I say 'Get Off My Lawn', you had better hope that I didn't take any of my work home with me....
[16:37:13] <zizban> mrcoolbp: I did! thanks
[16:37:30] <mrcoolbp> zizban: please note you may be able to break the site, use caution = )
[16:37:43] <zizban> With great power...and all that :)
[16:37:48] <mrcoolbp> nah, you should be good to play around a bit
[16:37:49] <janrinok> zizban: and you are not the only user of that site!
[16:37:53] <Woods> I did not know about the Vulcan flying bit, sounds pretty badass.
[16:37:57] <mrcoolbp> did you read the "Editing Process"?
[16:37:59] <Azrael> janrinok: I'm in UTC-0
[16:38:10] <zizban> I have!
[16:38:20] <mrcoolbp> now might be a good time to fire that page back up
[16:38:37] <janrinok> Never got to drop one, so not too bad. Azrael: I'm in UTC+1, NW France although I'm a Brit.
[16:38:41] <zizban> OK
[16:38:52] <Azrael> janrinok: boo and yay? ;)
[16:38:55] <mrcoolbp> if you click on "Submissions" you can now go into a submission and start editing
[16:40:08] <zizban> I see the submission que...some of these go way back
[16:40:08] <Woods> Azrael: Janrinok wears a nice jacket while sitting in a comfy chair on the hearth next to the fireplace while smoking his pipe. He is the most British person I know... The, Britishest, if you will.
[16:41:06] <mrcoolbp> zizban: this is the dev server, it get's dumped from the production server occasionally
[16:41:17] <zizban> ok
[16:41:19] <mrcoolbp> go into one of your test stories
[16:41:22] <janrinok> Woods: If only you could see me - on second thoughts, probably not, it would put you off your lunch.
[16:41:30] <Woods> lol
[16:41:46] <Woods> Janrinok: Nobody ever lives up to my imagination, unfortunately.
[16:42:15] <zizban> OK here
[16:42:29] <mrcoolbp> okay, add a "department"
[16:42:56] <zizban> done
[16:43:31] <mrcoolbp> okay I think you should see "update" below the body text, go ahead and click that
[16:44:00] <mrcoolbp> that should bring you to the main editing panel
[16:45:37] <mrcoolbp> zizban: once in the main editing panel, you can just un-check "display" and your story won't hit the main page for now
[16:45:45] <zizban> It was "preview" but I am here
[16:45:50] <mrcoolbp> ah that its
[16:45:56] <zizban> ok
[16:46:19] <mrcoolbp> zizban: if you uncheck "display" nothing we screw up will be visible just yet
[16:46:29] <zizban> Got it
[16:46:56] <mrcoolbp> take a look at the "Editing Process" page now and it should describe everything in great detail
[16:46:56] <janrinok> zizban: that is quite a chunk of text!
[16:47:15] <Bytram|afk> Public Service Announcement: TheMightBuzzard has been hard at work implementing UTF-8 character support. At some time in the not-to-distant future, he'll be handing it off to paulej72 for loading on to dev.
[16:47:25] <zizban> That's moby dick for you
[16:47:43] <janrinok> I'm available now ziz, if you want me to assist, or you can continue with mrcoolbp as you wish.
[16:47:48] <mrcoolbp> zizban: a few things: notice that all the times are in UTC, and that when you are on one of the editing pages, you can scroll to the bottom of the page to see what other editors are working on
[16:47:59] <zizban> I see that
[16:49:01] <mrcoolbp> play around a bit, let us know if you have any questions here
[16:49:08] <Bytram|afk> I just tossed a note ontol #Soylent asking them to give you a heads up before they load UTF-8 support here.
[16:49:17] <Bytram|afk> s/ontol/onto/
[16:49:25] <janrinok> Bytram|afk: thanks for that.
[16:49:52] <zizban> OK
[16:50:13] <mrcoolbp> appreciated Bytram
[16:50:37] <Bytram|afk> np
[16:52:30] <zizban> Interesting
[16:53:43] <janrinok> are you ok ziz?
[16:53:49] <Woods> Zizban: Unless you have a natural understanding of converting time zones, you may want to find a site that shows current UTC time in 24 hour format.
[16:54:01] <zizban> LOL ya
[16:54:07] <mrcoolbp> totally
[16:54:08] <zizban> I am fine
[16:54:14] <zizban> exploring the options
[16:54:26] <zizban> not a bad editing process. pretty neat
[16:54:58] <mrcoolbp> yeah it's a really cool system
[16:55:02] <janrinok> There are a few cludges but, once you get used to it, it does the job.
[16:55:17] <zizban> How do you add editorial comments to the story? Is there a mark up so it's seen
[16:55:47] <janrinok> I'm assuming you mean [Ed's Comment] sort of thing?
[16:55:54] <Woods> Use square brackets. ^
[16:55:55] <zizban> Yes
[16:55:58] <zizban> Oh
[16:56:13] <mrcoolbp> zizban: are you talking about notes to other editors?
[16:56:20] <mrcoolbp> e.g. "this is a dupe"
[16:56:29] <zizban> No, just ed's comment
[16:56:38] <mrcoolbp> we don't do those very often
[16:56:43] <zizban> though knowing how to note to other editors would be cool
[16:56:43] <mrcoolbp> but it would be:
[16:56:53] <mrcoolbp> [Ed. Note: foo bar baz }
[16:56:56] <mrcoolbp> er ]
[16:57:09] <janrinok> There are no hard and fast rules - although everyone uses the square brackets - but the essential thing is to ensure that the reader can differentiate between the story and your comments.
[16:57:29] <zizban> I just tested it. Works good
[16:57:35] <mrcoolbp> zizban: if it's an opinion we usually reccomend saving that for the comments
[16:57:46] <zizban> Gotcha
[16:58:09] * zizban hates editorials in news postings
[16:58:09] <mrcoolbp> zizban if open the submissions page, you'll see the text boxes on the left where we can leave notes to eachother
[16:58:33] <zizban> Cool. Wow, this pretty awesome
[16:58:38] <mrcoolbp> zizban: one of them says "theres been html only gmail for a long time"
[16:58:48] <zizban> ya I saw that
[16:59:02] <mrcoolbp> type something in one of the text boxes and click "update"
[16:59:14] <janrinok> I've just added a comment to you on your second sub
[17:00:47] <janrinok> OK, a couple of teaching points here. Both your stories have been accepted - and the second has also been released - at least on dev.
[17:01:07] <zizban> janrinok: I dont see your comment
[17:01:18] <mrcoolbp> refresh
[17:01:23] <mrcoolbp> (the submission list)
[17:01:29] <janrinok> You will note that they have disappeared from the submissions list but are now in the stories list.
[17:01:58] <mrcoolbp> oh he accepted the submission
[17:02:14] <zizban> OK
[17:02:17] <mrcoolbp> zizban: "test 2" is set to release now
[17:02:18] <janrinok> At somepoint someone selected 'save' rather than 'preview' during editing
[17:02:26] <zizban> That would be me on both
[17:02:30] <zizban> ooops
[17:02:31] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: who would do such a thing!?>!
[17:02:35] <janrinok> lol
[17:02:36] <zizban> Me!
[17:02:51] <zizban> it's always preview until it's reqady to go?
[17:02:56] <zizban> ready?
[17:02:58] <janrinok> zizban: I released my first test story to the whole world on the other site!
[17:03:13] <zizban> LOL
[17:03:36] <janrinok> yep, preview until you are _sure_ that you have finished. But there are still ways to recover even after this point.
[17:04:09] <mrcoolbp> zizban: notice the time a story is going out, and the "display" checkbox, those are what decide when/if the story will show up on the main page
[17:04:49] <zizban> Ok
[17:05:28] <zizban> Very cool.
[17:06:41] <janrinok> OK, ziz, so we now want to 'unrelease' your second story so that it doesn't get published.
[17:07:31] <janrinok> On the 'Story List', click the title of your story 2 and it will take you back to the editor.
[17:08:57] <zizban> OK
[17:09:25] <janrinok> Once you are back in the editor, move down to the 'Display' checkbox, and un-tick it.
[17:09:55] <zizban> OK
[17:10:35] <janrinok> If you now 'Update' rather than preview it will show the story page with your story marked grey - unreleased.
[17:10:54] <zizban> Indeed
[17:11:31] <janrinok> That's an important lesson. We have all been in the position of having a released story that, for some reason, has to be stopped. That is how you do it!
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[17:12:27] <janrinok> How are you for time - do you want to do some more?
[17:12:53] <zizban> I gotta get ready for work. I'll be back in a couple of hours.
[17:12:58] <zizban> Thanks for the lessons :)
[17:13:17] <janrinok> np, someone will be around later to help - just call out.
[17:13:19] <Bytram|away> zizban: btw, janrinok got *me* up to speed - you're in very good hands!
[17:13:28] * janrinok blushes
[17:13:42] <zizban> I see that. BBL!
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[17:16:19] <Woods> While submitting a story, I searched for a Wikipedia link for "Stellar paroxysm", and now I am listening to a song by Lithium Dawn.
[17:18:24] LaminatorX|afk is now known as LaminatorX
[17:18:56] <janrinok> lol
[17:19:14] * LaminatorX scrolls back. "Looks like that went well."
[17:19:23] <janrinok> I think I took tablets for that complaint
[17:20:03] <Woods> LaminatorX: Or it went really poorly, and he has escaped.
[17:20:11] <janrinok> Yes, he had a good play but we now need to start doing some editing. I'm just preparing 2 submissions for him to work on later.
[17:20:21] <LaminatorX> Unleash the ferrets!
[17:22:56] <janrinok> LaminatorX: I've put a couple of submissions in the queue. They have plain text and HTML formatting, and the topics are incorrect. Its just to get him to go through the procedures of changing things etc.
[17:23:24] <LaminatorX> Nice.
[17:24:13] <janrinok> If I'm on later I'll happily go through it with him, but if you would rather do it - or if I am away - then at least you know what they are for.
[17:25:35] <LaminatorX> Sure, thanks.
[17:25:37] <Woods> We should have Zizban and Azrael do some editing at the same time, kinda like a cage match. Whoever comes out alive without carpal tunnel , wins.
[17:25:47] <janrinok> lol
[17:25:59] <LaminatorX> Blitz posting!
[17:26:35] <janrinok> LaminatorX: The first one is very long, I would suggest that he splits it into story and extended story.
[17:26:48] * LaminatorX nods.
[17:27:28] <janrinok> As long as you leave me out of the cage contest - I'd be frightened of losing!
[17:28:46] <janrinok> Woods: How long ago does it now seem since you were doing this?
[17:29:40] <Woods> Oh no, you should not ask me that, my sense of time is all jacked up.
[17:30:11] <Woods> If I were to say how long it /feels/ since I started, I would say a year and a half, maybe two.
[17:30:24] <janrinok> I can remember doing mine with Lam, mattie_p and Dopefish.
[17:30:50] <janrinok> Was it only Feb/Mar time?
[17:31:03] <Woods> Mid March, I believe.
[17:31:49] <janrinok> Yep, sounds about right.
[17:32:13] <mattie_p> yeah, we all started in Feb, so late feb early march sounds about right for the new editors
[17:32:34] <janrinok> hi mattie_p - run out of boxes yet?
[17:32:47] <mattie_p> not yet, but we can always go back for more
[17:33:23] <janrinok> Then you have the pleasure of unpacking them all again - and trying to work out where to put things.
[17:34:09] <janrinok> You'll be used to moving though with the mil background. I lost count after about 15-16 moves.
[17:39:22] <mattie_p> yeah, some of the stuff didn't even leave boxes from the last one, except for some culling
[17:39:35] <mattie_p> if its a quick move like this sometimes that doesn't happen
[17:40:24] <janrinok> I've been here for 7 years and still have some boxes to unpack. Just don't think that I need the contents just yet....
[17:40:57] <mattie_p> I don't know if we have anything that old still in boxes... but we might
[17:41:10] <Woods> Janrinok: Usually a good indicator that you can throw the boxes away (Unless they hold things of sentimental value)
[17:42:09] <Woods> I am going to tackle "US Supreme Court rules against software patents " and cut it in line on the queue.
[17:42:18] <janrinok> Woods: you be amazed - our second music system is still packed up.
[17:42:29] <mattie_p> Woods: go for it
[17:43:20] <mattie_p> get it in quick
[17:46:49] <Woods> IT will take a minute, lots of editing to do, messed up characters, etc.
[17:47:26] <mattie_p> sure, but good catch on seeing it quickly and knowing news like that needs posting ASAP
[17:47:37] <janrinok> ...cage match?
[17:48:23] <janrinok> ...its OK, its yours
[17:49:24] <janrinok> Azrael: are you still on channel? and have you met n1 yet?
[17:53:04] <Azrael> janrinok: yes and no
[17:54:35] <Woods> Mattie_p, Janrinok: Can you check over that story real quick? It will go out in about 8 minutes.
[17:55:30] <janrinok> on it Woods
[17:55:40] <mattie_p> looking now
[17:56:15] <Woods> I forgot to fix the title case, BTW
[17:56:18] <janrinok> not seen in story list
[17:56:26] <mattie_p> http://soylentnews.org
[17:56:40] <mattie_p> its near the current release, so not on top
[17:57:10] <janrinok> got it
[17:57:52] <mattie_p> missing period at very tail end
[17:59:03] <janrinok> fixed - looks good to go
[17:59:28] <mattie_p> 3 minutes to release, looks good to me
[17:59:37] <Woods> Party time.
[18:00:07] <janrinok> good effort - you are on fire today
[18:00:22] * mattie_p high-fives all around.
[18:00:37] <janrinok> I'm not very tall - intermediate fives for me
[18:00:44] <mattie_p> and I have mod points, I am going to use them all in that story probably
[18:01:03] <janrinok> to oblivion?
[18:01:09] <Woods> I am really tall, sooo... Low-fives!
[18:01:34] <Azrael> I am really lazy, sooo... No-fives!
[18:01:36] <mattie_p> oh, are we doing the height thing again? I thought we discussed that a few days ago
[18:02:09] <Woods> Janrinok started it.
[18:02:40] <mattie_p> I'm tempted to use my parent tone here. "I don't care who started it, I'm ending it."
[18:02:52] <mattie_p> but I won't
[18:02:52] <Woods> "I will turn this chat around"
[18:04:13] <mattie_p> "You won't get any dessert if you keep this up. Now eat your greens and post nice stories about your brother."
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[18:56:43] <n1> many apologies for my absence the last few days
[19:03:28] <Woods> No worries, n1, we got your back.
[19:04:07] <LaminatorX> Teamwork++
[19:04:07] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 1
[19:05:58] <n1> thanks guys, personal shit really took over and not for the better. Things are fixed now, I think/hope.
[19:07:03] <LaminatorX> Sorry to hear that. things were rough.
[19:07:36] <n1> shall keep moving forward
[19:07:40] <n1> hope you guys are all good?
[19:08:10] <mrcoolbp> we're pretty decent n1
[19:08:17] <mrcoolbp> we got two new potential editors
[19:08:22] <mrcoolbp> Azrael and zizban
[19:08:30] <mrcoolbp> heads up, they are still learning on dev
[19:09:04] <n1> good times :D
[19:09:10] <n1> except more people to make me look bad :p
[19:09:21] <LaminatorX> My band tripped into playing at the kickoff party for a theatre festival last night. That was a treat.
[19:09:40] <LaminatorX> Theater folk are an enthusiastic audience.
[19:09:43] <n1> tripped into?
[19:10:16] <LaminatorX> Total last minute walk on type thing because an act cancelled and we happened to be in the neighborhood.
[19:10:21] <n1> thats good, an ethusiastic audience is nice - i feel bad for support acts when the crowd doesn't get behind them because they're waiting for the main act
[19:10:51] <n1> thats pretty cool you were able to step in and save the day!
[19:11:36] <n1> it sucks when you have an hour or so standing/sitting around because an act didn't show
[19:12:04] <n1> except one time for when i saw david gray, he did two sets because there was no support act.
[19:12:44] <LaminatorX> Rollins talks about opening for Iron Maiden: https://www.youtube.com
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[19:16:48] <n1> this is pretty entertaining
[19:16:51] <n1> thanks for sharing
[19:17:11] <n1> hi zizban
[19:17:22] <zizban> hi all
[19:17:23] <LaminatorX> He came back!
[19:17:45] <zizban> I did! I had some issues getting on from this slow, slow work computer
[19:18:24] <n1> welcome to the team, zizban :)
[19:18:35] <zizban> Thanks all. I am happy to be here
[19:18:42] * zizban can put his English degree to work
[19:19:38] <n1> you have enough qualifications to make up for the ones i don't have ;)
[19:19:47] <zizban> LOL
[19:22:28] <LaminatorX> I see you've posted a couple of stories on dev. Do you have any questions?
[19:24:14] <zizban> Nope, not yet. It seems pretty straight forward.
[19:24:24] <zizban> Its actually easer than the internal system we use here
[19:25:44] <zizban> By here, I mean my work :)
[19:26:18] <LaminatorX> Nice. It occurs to me I just explained a bunch of things to Azrael yesterday, and this channel is logged. If you have a moment, take a look over 17:00-18:00 from yesterday: http://logs.sylnt.us
[19:26:51] <zizban> OK
[19:31:19] <zizban> That was cool. I have save it for my own reference.
[19:37:53] <LaminatorX> Take a look in the submission bin, at "Zizbans 3rd test story ."
[19:38:33] <zizban> OK
[19:39:52] <zizban> I'm here
[19:39:54] <LaminatorX> We like in deapth articles when they come along, but a Wall -of-Text on the main page throws off the flow of stories. We have the ability to place part of the story "below the fold" so to speak.
[19:40:04] <zizban> Ok
[19:40:39] <zizban> How does one do that?
[19:40:50] <LaminatorX> Once you Preview it, you'll see below the main edit area an "Extended Copy" section.
[19:41:40] <zizban> ah got it
[19:42:03] <LaminatorX> Anything you move into that box will only be displayed when the reader clicks through to the story & comments,.
[19:42:27] <LaminatorX> Be advised thoughn that HTML tags do not carry through the two sections.
[19:42:32] <zizban> OK
[19:42:57] <zizban> So you can't just cipy and paste? You have to reformat?
[19:43:03] <LaminatorX> You'll need to open a new <blockquote> if you split the story in the middle of a long quoted section, for example.
[19:43:59] <LaminatorX> You will get whatever tags were present pasted in, but you cant open a tag in the upper section and close it in the lower.
[19:44:10] <zizban> Oh you mean that
[19:44:12] <zizban> Gotca
[19:45:26] <LaminatorX> Take it for a spin. :)
[19:46:25] <zizban> Ok
[19:49:10] <zizban> Is it supposed to something like "Below the fold" after I preview it?
[19:51:52] <LaminatorX> When viewing the story itself, your only cue would be the "Edit" link being in the middle of the story, rather than at the bottom. If you post it to the feed though, you'll only see the part in the upper box on the main page. Hold on, I'll find an exampple.
[19:52:03] * janrinok is back, reporting for duty.
[19:53:22] <LaminatorX> Take a look at this story on prodiction: http://soylentnews.org
[19:53:35] <LaminatorX> "production"
[19:53:57] <zizban> I see it
[19:55:00] <LaminatorX> If you look for it in the main page (you'll have to go back a couple days) you'll only see the first paragraph or so.
[19:55:53] <zizban> I remember it. I actually commented on that story.
[19:56:03] <LaminatorX> There ya go then.
[19:57:40] <zizban> Okay
[19:59:03] <LaminatorX> II suggest going through the couple more samples that Janrinok queued up for you as practice, then I'll look them over.
[19:59:33] <zizban> OK
[19:59:39] <zizban> sounds good
[19:59:46] <janrinok> zizban: I'm here if you want me to talk you through them - there is a 'problem' (or two) with each one of them.
[20:00:03] <zizban> Oh boy ;)
[20:00:17] <LaminatorX> I think we're about ready to get these two editor bits on production and start having them do second-looks.
[20:00:26] <janrinok> agreed
[20:00:38] <janrinok> the more - the merrier!
[20:01:16] <zizban> amen!
[20:02:58] <n1> hey janrinok, hope you are well
[20:04:00] <janrinok> n1 good thanks - you've obviously been busy for a day or two. Have you met with Azrael yet?
[20:04:01] <mrcoolbp> LaminatorX: want I should grant them?
[20:04:21] <LaminatorX> Yes, please.
[20:04:38] <mrcoolbp> k, need to add them to the authors page, but bits are coming in 30 seconds
[20:04:49] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: i’ll do the cache update when you are done
[20:05:01] <mrcoolbp> k
[20:05:03] <n1> yeah, i have been - personal blah. I spoke briefly with Azrael a few days ago when interest in becoming an editor was noted.
[20:05:11] <janrinok> a few bits every 30 seconds - that's worse than my old dial-up!
[20:05:21] <n1> very happy we have a couple new people on the team :)
[20:05:29] <janrinok> ditto^
[20:06:06] <mrcoolbp> paulej72, LaminatorX, seclevel raised for zizban and Azrael
[20:06:10] <janrinok> hi paulej72
[20:06:24] <paulej72> author bit set mrcoolbp?
[20:06:36] <n1> im about to run, trying to catch up on everything i've not been doing. will be back around 01:00 UTC to finish of the merge and edit a couple more stories.
[20:06:40] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: yeah, we have two editors we are grooming
[20:06:51] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: both on prod this time
[20:06:54] <janrinok> cu l8r n1
[20:06:55] <n1> laters folks
[20:07:01] <mrcoolbp> later
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[20:08:08] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: also zizban is not showing as an author under the "authors" page on dev server
[20:08:40] <LaminatorX> I believe that there's a periodic job that updates that.
[20:08:59] <LaminatorX> Nobody seems to show up for most of their first day.
[20:09:13] <mrcoolbp> yeah, but he is rebuilding the cache manually, I thought it updated that page too, I could be wrong
[20:09:25] <mrcoolbp> or table or whatever
[20:09:55] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: the autor’s page gets rebuilt from the cache at some indeterminate time. Never found where that was
[20:10:05] <mrcoolbp> ah, cool
[20:13:09] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: cache update complete?
[20:13:31] <paulej72> yes
[20:13:33] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: awesome, thanks!
[20:13:35] <mrcoolbp> LaminatorX, zizban, Azreal: editor bits are now granted on the production server
[20:13:49] <zizban> YEAH I have the power!!!
[20:13:51] <zizban> ;)
[20:13:55] <LaminatorX> Great, thanks.
[20:13:58] <mrcoolbp> np
[20:19:26] <LaminatorX> Day-job needs my focus for a bit, but I'll keep checking in periodically.
[20:19:35] <janrinok> I'm here
[20:19:52] <LaminatorX> Cool.
[20:20:13] <zizban> Same day job is distratcing me. stupid ay job
[20:20:18] <zizban> ay/day
[20:20:21] <janrinok> np
[20:43:06] <zizban> Both done :)
[20:43:20] <janrinok> both of the 3?
[20:43:23] <zizban> 15 minutes to rip me apart before I go teach class
[20:43:58] <janrinok> what was the problem with the 4th and why shouldn't it be released?
[20:44:56] <zizban> Well, for one, it was a dupe of #5
[20:45:04] <zizban> or was that intentional?
[20:45:13] <janrinok> yes- but look at them in sequence
[20:45:32] <janrinok> i.e. 4th came before 5th
[20:45:43] <zizban> The first one didn't have a link to the story
[20:45:56] <janrinok> exactly! there was nothing at all to do with it
[20:46:11] <janrinok> you could have ignored it or deleted it if you had wished
[20:46:53] <janrinok> Before you waste time on editing a story, check out all the links. Do they point at what they claim or is it a slashvertisement, porn, political?
[20:46:55] <zizban> Ah OK.
[20:47:11] <zizban> Ya that was in the log I downloading, tips like that
[20:47:21] <janrinok> np, that is what it is there for. And it is good practice to edit it anyway
[20:47:43] <janrinok> But some will try to get stuff in print which shouldn't be allowed.
[20:48:25] <zizban> Oh ya
[20:48:46] <zizban> When I filled in at OSNews for a week it was like that all the time.
[20:48:51] <janrinok> Secondly, although its a bit false here, none of the stories have the correct topic selected. War in Iraq is not software or whatever. You need to know how to change the topics
[20:49:53] <zizban> I think I did on one of them but not on the other
[20:50:15] <janrinok> Editing-wise they are good. At some point we will have to change every double<br> to </p><p> because that is required for rss feeds to smart phones or something - but that is not an absolute requirement at present.
[20:50:25] <zizban> ah thanks!
[20:50:43] <janrinok> It is a good habit to get in to.
[20:50:49] * zizban nods
[20:51:02] <janrinok> Did you split the long story into an extended type?
[20:51:28] <zizban> I think I did
[20:51:55] <janrinok> OK, I've got a screen full of all sorts at present so cannot check, in fact, I've got 3 screens full of all sorts....
[20:52:09] <zizban> I cut a paragraph out and pasted it into the extnded box and redid the formatting on the cut part
[20:52:21] <janrinok> I'm down to my last 8 computers but only 3 live on my desk!
[20:52:23] <zizban> the preview of it wasn't helpful but I think I did
[20:52:52] <zizban> I sold all my computers except my PC, my Chromebook and my SGI Fuel
[20:53:03] <janrinok> don't blame you
[20:53:05] * zizban uses his Fuel as a lamp stand
[20:53:25] <janrinok> they all look good and could go live
[20:54:08] <janrinok> I think the next stage, if you are happy with the process, is to start 2nd ed'ing other eds stories, but it will wait until another time.
[20:54:26] <zizban> Okay because I gotta go teach and wont be back for a while
[20:54:37] <zizban> but thanks everyone for welcoming me to the team!
[20:54:49] <janrinok> np we are glad to have you with us!
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[21:41:26] <janrinok> hi Bytram|away
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[21:42:31] <janrinok> hi Bytram-no-longer-away-but-not-yet-here
[21:42:55] <Bytram> janrinok: hiya! I've got a few minutes and am trying to plow my way through the proposed corporate by laws. Fun!!! O_o
[21:43:29] <janrinok> Oh, it sounds a laugh a minute. Do share the best ones with us, well me. I've been all alone for the last hour.....
[21:46:12] <Bytram> well, I just found that a word is missing in a sentence that contains over 200 words. share my joy. <chuckle>
[21:46:40] <janrinok> gripping my sides while giggling like a girl - is that a suitable response?
[21:47:35] <janrinok> I've decided that not living _that_ close to NCommander does have a few advantages.....
[21:47:36] <Bytram> far more than the situation may warrant, but it did make me laugh out loud! well done!
[21:48:04] * Bytram checks that Logie is still running. Yup!
[21:48:10] <Bytram> janrinok: so, like how?
[21:48:14] <Bytram> =)
[21:48:45] <janrinok> oh, er, not having to buy the beers.... or something
[21:49:08] <Bytram> that was one smooth recovery there janrinok, got to hand it you!
[21:49:10] <Bytram> LOL!
[21:49:37] <janrinok> years of practice
[21:50:08] <Bytram> oh rly? Do tell more!
[21:50:39] <janrinok> 37 years in the military - what do you think?
[21:51:29] <Bytram> yowza! that'll get ya PLENTY of practice.
[21:53:25] <janrinok> I hope that you are paying attention to the job in front of you. We are depending upon _you_ to get the by-laws right!
[21:53:47] <janrinok> ...that was my motivational speech.
[21:54:08] <janrinok> That's probably why they let me retire....
[21:55:12] <Bytram> i some ways, a slow internet connection has benefits. I can click "Preview" and while waiting for it to repaint, continue the conversation here.
[21:55:27] <Bytram> Okay, time for some fresh reading... wish me luck!
[21:55:44] <janrinok> good luck - with sincerity and best of intentions.
[21:58:35] <Bytram> thanks! Found another misunderstandable construction. These lawyers should learn about parentheses and brackets!!
[21:59:58] <janrinok> they are only misunderstandable to mere mortals such as ourselves who must pay lawyers to tell us what they have written.
[22:05:46] <Bytram> serial commas, submordinate clauses, AND appositions... all in the same sentence. What *does* THAT comma *really* mean? Urgh!!!
[22:06:15] <Bytram> s/submordinate/subordinate/
[22:06:16] <janrinok> perhaps we are paying by the character.....
[22:06:37] <Bytram> the I must be underpaid -- I am QUITE the character!
[22:06:44] <Bytram> then I must be underpaid -- I am QUITE the character!
[22:06:46] <janrinok> true
[22:07:03] * Bytram needs a new keyboard; it keeps leaving out letters on me.
[22:08:45] <janrinok> ar yu sur?
[22:08:46] <Bytram> janrinok: Could use some feedback?
[22:08:53] <janrinok> OK go
[22:09:03] <Bytram> this is the original:
[22:09:13] <Bytram> Except as otherwise provided by law or the Certificate of Incorporation, notice given in writing or by electronic transmission of each meeting of stockholders shall be given not less than ten (10) nor more than sixty (60) days before the date of the meeting to each stockholder entitled to vote at such meeting, such notice to specify the place, if any, date and hour and purpose or purposes of the meetin
[22:09:13] <Bytram> g and the means of remote communications, if any, by which stockholders and proxy holders may be deemed to be present in person and vote at such meeting.
[22:09:17] <Bytram> and
[22:09:23] <Bytram> this is what I propose changing it to:
[22:09:26] * paulej72 hooks Bytram’s keyborad to 220V mains
[22:09:39] <Bytram> Except as otherwise provided by law or the Certificate of Incorporation, notice of each meeting of stockholders, whether given in writing or by electronic transmission, shall be given not less than ten (10) nor more than sixty (60) days before the date of the meeting to each stockholder entitled to vote at such meeting, such notice to specify the place, if any, date and hour and purpose or purposes of
[22:09:39] <Bytram> the meeting and the means of remote communications, if any, by which stockholders and proxy holders may be deemed to be present in person and vote at such meeting.
[22:09:41] <paulej72> is that enough feedback
[22:10:09] * Bytram holds wireless keyboard closer to the speaker to enhance the feedback effect.
[22:10:15] <janrinok> lol
[22:10:18] <Bytram> so far so good! =)
[22:10:30] <janrinok> either is OK for me
[22:10:45] <janrinok> why do you think it needs re-writing?
[22:11:31] <janrinok> its legalese but I've seen that sort of thing before. I can grok it
[22:12:01] <Bytram> yeah. I keep getting a "parse error" after: "notice given in writing or by electronic transmission "
[22:12:12] <janrinok> yours is clearer and saves a few words but I wouldn't get tied up in a knot about it.
[22:12:48] <janrinok> paulej72: we have 240v here - would that help?
[22:12:59] <Bytram> mine is actually a little longer. :/
[22:13:13] <Bytram> but I'm aiming for clarity.
[22:13:19] <paulej72> 220V is the general term for anything 208V to 240V.
[22:13:30] <janrinok> is it? It read better and you hit the clarity spot on.
[22:13:31] <Bytram> paulej72++ Yuppers on that one!
[22:13:31] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 5
[22:13:56] <janrinok> I'll staple the extra 20v to my next line on this channel....
[22:13:57] * Bytram worked as an electrician's helper one summer. Still alive to tell of it!
[22:14:55] <janrinok> I used to fix TVs until I touch the output of the line transformer. 22kv I think it was but naff all current fortunately. I picked myself up from the other side of the room.
[22:15:06] <janrinok> touched*
[22:15:25] <Bytram> OUCH!
[22:15:41] <janrinok> Oh how my workmates laughed.
[22:15:58] * Bytram never did *that*, but once accidentally interrupted the path between a spark plug and its wire.
[22:16:08] <janrinok> I can recall their chuckling in my ears....
[22:16:17] <Bytram> while the engine was running.
[22:16:20] <Bytram> I soon was, too.
[22:16:24] <janrinok> Much the same sort of kick I imagine
[22:16:49] <Bytram> I think you're right.
[22:17:14] <janrinok> paulej72: did you find the 20v or did the staple make it leak away?
[22:18:03] <janrinok> 240v in France, paulej72, is the general term for anything from 0v to about 250v - or so it seems.
[22:18:18] <paulej72> janrinok: not here as I am in a 3 phase 208V building. At home I have have access to the 240V single phase
[22:21:00] <paulej72> doing grep on network share on production does not do the disk IO any good :)
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[22:25:57] <janrinok> Ooops - a minor glitch there...
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[22:49:50] <janrinok> time for my bed - cheers all
[22:50:19] <Bytram> janrinok: g'night! thanks for the chuckles and all the work you do!
[22:50:29] <Bytram> as for that, I need to be going, too.
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