#US_Election | Logs for 2021-01-09
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[00:03:57] <Bytram> https://www.aljazeera.com
[00:03:58] <systemd> ^ 03Pelosi warns Trump could be impeached for a second time
[00:04:26] <Bytram> https://arstechnica.com
[00:04:27] <systemd> ^ 03Donald Trump has finally earned a permaban from Twitter ( https://arstechnica.com )
[00:05:12] <Bytram> http://feedproxy.google.com
[00:05:13] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter permanently suspends Trump's account ( https://www.cnet.com )
[00:05:34] <Bytram> https://www.bbc.co.uk
[00:05:37] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter permanently suspends Trump's account
[00:13:19] <Bytram> https://blog.twitter.com
[00:13:20] <systemd> ^ 03Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump
[00:49:33] <Bytram> =sub == Nexus: Politics == https://www.bbc.co.uk Also at +https://arstechnica.com/?p=1733975 +https://www.cnet.com/news/twitter-permanently-suspends-trumps-account/ Full twitter explanation ar: +https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2020/suspension.html
[00:49:40] <systemd> Submitting "Twitter permanently suspends Trump's account"...( 1 modified urls; https://www.bbc.com )
[00:50:02] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Twitter Permanently Suspends Trump's Account" (33 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[00:54:03] <requerdanos> that didn't quite come out as intended, I suspect
[01:18:40] <Runaway1956> https://tv.gab.com
[01:18:42] <systemd> ^ 03Welcome To Gab: A Message From CEO Andrew Torba
[01:27:24] <Runaway1956> The video is informative, and probably worth watching no matter your political leaning
[01:28:26] <requerdanos> can you summarize it in a line or two? I have MTVADHD
[01:35:43] <Bytram> Or, how about a transcript? I can read 5-6x as fast as people talk.
[01:52:49] <Bytram> https://www.cnn.com
[01:52:52] <systemd> ^ 03Democratic momentum builds for potential fast-track impeachment next week
[01:53:40] <requerdanos> phone me when "Republican support for" impeachment effort starts to build. They need a 2/3 majority in the senate to remove from office.
[02:00:49] <Bytram> true. OTOH, AFAIK, no president has yet been impeached *twice*.
[02:01:30] <requerdanos> two impeachments would be a yuuge record for the trumpster, true enough
[02:03:21] <Bytram> I look at being impeached as like being arrested. Found enough evidence to bring in. Then, it's up to the AG or the Grand Jury to file charges, and then on to a trial.
[02:06:12] <requerdanos> I would not be satisfied with impeached, which really boils down to "officially charged or accused"
[02:07:55] <Bytram> No, that would not be entirely satisfactory, agreed. But, to allow what transpired to go without any action at all? Will only embolden anyone who comes along later.
[02:09:58] <Bytram> It was expedient to pardon Nixon, way back when. But we are still paying the price of Ford's pardon *today*. Let's not repeat the same mistake.
[02:10:49] <requerdanos> am impeachment + today's senate = acquittal, not just pardon but straight-up exoneration
[02:11:01] <Bytram> In basketball, I've missed every shot I never took.
[02:12:50] <requerdanos> Well, sure, and every time I don't throw a rock at the north pole, I miss those too
[02:13:07] <Bytram> I would not be too sure about that. This senate just recently spent hours in lockdown, people with guns roaming halls, Trump would not call in the National Guard, that can affect one's viewpoint.
[02:13:51] <requerdanos> agreed. That's why I am so eagerly looking for that republican support... that so far hasn't materialized.
[02:14:44] <Bytram> I've heard any Republicans had privately spoken in favor of impeachment, but unwilling to do so on the record.
[02:15:32] <Bytram> Now, Trump's account has been permanently locked on Twitter... let political fallout to deal with.
[02:15:47] <requerdanos> yeah he can't say mean things about them on twitter anymore
[02:17:39] <Bytram> Locked? Blocked? Not sure of the proper term -- I have no acct on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram... My only "social media" accounts have been on /. and SN. That's it.
[02:18:26] <requerdanos> I have a twitter but I have never twitteetid that I recall.
[02:21:00] <Bytram> That's ez for ewe too sway!
[02:28:40] <Runaway1956> requerdanos - what will be gained by an impeachment at this point in time?
[02:28:52] <Runaway1956> It's pretty silly to even talk about it
[02:29:02] <requerdanos> By an impeachment? nothing.
[02:29:16] <requerdanos> By removal from office? too little too late, but at least it's something
[02:30:45] <requerdanos> "The criminal has already committed the crime, pretty silly to talk about holding him to task for it" is not how I think. I know it'
[02:31:04] <requerdanos> it's how millions do think, but my faith in humanity convinces me that they are in the minority.
[02:31:06] <Runaway1956> Oh - I made a few throwaway accounts on tweeter some years ago - damn if I could find any of those logins now
[02:31:13] <Bytram> up until now, actions have NOT had consequences beyond a "strong talking to".
[02:31:21] <Runaway1956> never saw the point in tweeetering
[02:31:40] <requerdanos> well, me neither, but we're not would-be world leaders
[02:32:05] <Bytram> And even now we are still bearing the consequences of that decision to kick the can down the road... only making the matter even worse over time.
[02:32:06] <requerdanos> apparently you can build up quite the political following using twitter as your primary communications medium
[02:32:23] <Runaway1956> Obama was the first social media president - Trump the first president to screw up social media lol
[02:32:52] <requerdanos> I remember obama was disappointed that they "took away his blackberry"
[02:33:36] * Runaway1956 remembers wanting a Blackberry because that's what all the Kool Kids had
[02:34:10] <Runaway1956> Strangely though, I never wanted an iThing.
[02:34:17] <Bytram> IIRC, they returned it after hardening it against "attack". Trump would not let his get the same treatment.
[02:34:31] <Bytram> ditto
[02:34:37] <requerdanos> yeah something about prying his phone from his small, dead hands
[02:36:31] <Bytram> they look nice, and with the new M1 chips have some sweet specs, but using iOS feels to me like trying to drive a car. from the back seat. using to yardsticks.
[02:37:54] <Runaway1956> For the most part, status symbols just turn me off
[02:38:05] <Runaway1956> iThings are just that
[02:39:12] <Runaway1956> Besides, Apple infuriates me because they won't offer any assistance getting MacOS to run on AMD chips
[03:11:07] <c0lo> requerdanos, Bytram - my view on impeachment - the only rational choice for dems to go this path is to deny once and for all the access to POTUS for Trump. Anything else it's just "enacting retribution" in one form or another.
[03:12:09] <requerdanos> https://www.srnnews.com
[03:12:10] <systemd> ^ 03Majority of Americans want Trump removed immediately after U.S. Capitol violence - Reuters/Ipsos poll - SRN News
[03:12:32] <requerdanos> Without impeachment, there is no barring further federal office aiui
[03:13:29] <c0lo> Speaking of "stop Trump 2024" as the rational reason, to me this denotes a fear of Dems. May be justified (as in "even if he won't reach POTUS, he may cause enough troubles in his attempt") or just from a "feeling of righteusness" - or anything in between.
[03:14:28] <c0lo> In any case, the cost of doing so is detracting from the real problems that US faces now - I mean, rona doesn't care aboutt your righteusness.
[03:14:39] <c0lo> (and that was only an exammple)
[03:16:07] <c0lo> Impeachment is not the onnly way to stop Trump claims and will not stop Trump causing ceratin amount of damage even if successfully impeached.
[03:16:45] <c0lo> Trump was not the sickness, Trump was just a symptom.
[03:17:12] <requerdanos> though a symptom, he makes other symptoms worse as he can
[03:18:01] <c0lo> Re "But that's what American want" - IMHO, fucking righteous protestant values. Better stay pragmatic.
[03:21:43] <c0lo> If you can keep Trump in check with an aspirin, why trigger an expensive research program for an anti-Trump vaccine? Especially when the anti-Trump vaccine will do nothing to address the underlaying sickness that cause the Trump abscess?
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[06:24:04] <chromas> Speaking of cheetos
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[12:58:58] <FatPhil> https://i.imgur.com
[13:01:08] <chromas> lol
[13:01:12] <chromas> FatPhil++
[13:02:20] <FatPhil> That would mean that Joe Biden ran *twice* in this election!
[13:02:32] <chromas> and won twice
[13:02:35] <FatPhil> Systematic fraud at even the highest levels!
[13:02:39] <chromas> and you guys said there was no election fraud
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