#US_Election | Logs for 2020-12-09
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[00:06:48] <c0lo> Just in, Supreme Court are RINOs https://www.npr.org
[00:06:49] <systemd> ^ 03Supreme Court Rejects GOP Bid To Reverse Pennsylvania Election Results
[00:10:20] <c0lo> https://www.newsweek.com
[00:10:21] <systemd> ^ 03Trump uses COVID vaccine summit to pressure Republicans over election outcome
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[00:26:58] <c0lo> The SCOTUS rejection is exactly 1 phrase long, no explanation, no dissent, like for a frivolous case: "The application for injunctive relief presented to Justice Alito and by him referred to the Court is denied."
[00:27:14] <c0lo> https://www.supremecourt.gov
[00:32:53] <requerdanos> The scotus rejection of which?
[00:34:28] <requerdanos> nm i see
[01:13:20] <c0lo> Texas wants a slice of Giuliani's action too! Because, yeah, Texas govt is there to help. Other states no less: https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov
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[03:48:20] <c0lo> SCOTUS will take up Texas election challenge https://twitter.com
[03:48:21] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter ( https://mobile.twitter.com )
[03:50:58] <c0lo> Actually, scratch that 6
[03:51:12] <c0lo> s/6/\^/
[03:51:12] <SedBot> <c0lo> scratch that ^
[03:52:03] <c0lo> "Texas had to request permission to file this lawsuit. SCOTUS has now asked the other states to submit their opinions as to whether Texas should be allowed to sue them." https://twitter.com
[03:54:47] <c0lo> https://www.scotusblog.com
[03:54:49] <systemd> ^ 03Texas tries Hail Mary to block election outcome (updated)
[03:56:06] <c0lo> "These continued attacks on our fair and free election system are beyond meritless, beyond reckless" https://twitter.com
[03:56:54] <c0lo> "Texas is as likely to change the outcome of the Ice Bowl as it is to overturn the will of Wisconsin voters in the 2020 presidential election." https://twitter.com
[04:51:16] <c0lo> https://www.businessinsider.com
[04:51:18] <systemd> ^ 03Trump: I wanted to file 'one big, beautiful lawsuit' - Business Insider
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[07:49:14] <FatPhil> https://zh-prod-1cc738ca-7d3b-4a72-b792-20bd8d8fa069.storage.googleapis.com
[07:51:25] <FatPhil> no reason to think the Texas case will be given any more credibility, as the above one did seem to have some vague merit to at least tearing apart.
[08:07:47] <c0lo> FatPhil, in my mind, at the best that's kinda "virtue signaling" from Ted Cruz (and the rest of the states "joining"). At worse, that's Texas AG's way to ask a pardon https://thehill.com
[08:07:48] <systemd> ^ 03Texas attorney general under investigation by FBI: report
[08:08:37] <c0lo> Bottom line, that's a hail mary no matter the reasons.
[08:33:37] <FatPhil> I can't believe the US still has these pardons, it's freaking broken.
[08:34:29] <FatPhil> It shows the country has no interest in maintaining a consistent, equally applied, rule of law.
[09:10:35] <c0lo> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ it is what it is. Normally, it should be applied in so rare circumstances that it wouldn't make a difference.
[09:11:22] <c0lo> This is to say, I don't see their existence as a problem, just how they are applied.
[09:13:20] * c0lo is a bit skeptical on the absolute value of Pereat mundus, fiat justitia. Sometimes is good to have exceptions, as long as the exceptions don't become a rule
[10:49:52] <c0lo> https://twitter.com
[10:49:53] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter ( https://mobile.twitter.com )
[11:56:13] <FatPhil> I'm mostly utilitarian, so think you should fix the thing that needs fixing. If by fiating the iusitia you pereat the mundus, perhaps you should instead be fixing the iustitia, so that the pereat doesn't necessarily follow?
[12:08:13] <c0lo> Rational but unrealistic. Do you know many occasions in which applying the necessary fixes to the iustitia was done without a bloody revolution?
[12:51:16] <FatPhil> Well, I can think of 15 times just in one country alone where the sacred constitution itself was amended.
[12:52:36] <FatPhil> But I think you'll find laws are changed almost daily, that's their job. Not always for the better, but as long as evolutionary pressure is applied to such meddlers, eventually more improvements will stick than instances of them making things worse.
[13:02:15] <c0lo> FatPhil, TIL about "The Doctrine of the Lesser Magistrate". It's *not* https://en.wikipedia.org
[13:02:15] <systemd> ^ 03Lesser magistrate - Wikipedia
[13:03:03] <c0lo> If curious, you can read it entirely or just the two sections starting with this one https://www.rightwingwatch.org
[13:03:04] <systemd> ^ 03Return To Wichita: 25 Years After The Summer Of Mercy, The Rescue Movement Plots Its Next Steps
[13:04:09] <c0lo> Then we may discuss about "evolutionary pressures leading to improvements"
[13:05:48] <c0lo> (once I'm over with the depression caused by the learning, I'll likely become more cynical)
[13:16:58] <FatPhil> There are evolutionary pressures working in the opposite directions too.
[13:17:48] <FatPhil> A better education system that breeds fewer demon-haunted minds would be a good start to diminishing the potency of some of those regressive evolutionary pressures.
[13:21:14] <c0lo> Remember where the "teach the controvercy" started? And how it got to spread in a good part of US?
[13:31:02] <FatPhil> Certainly, having a majority of mentally defective people in the country is a really bad starting point. In particular if their life choices tend towards increasing that proportion.
[13:33:50] <FatPhil> But one Aron Ra is, argumentation-wise, worth 100 of the loonies.
[13:36:15] <c0lo> I don't say it is impossible for the society to evolve a law system that's rational, I say that is *possible* for such a society to run into a nightmarish dead-end. Whether they'll survive or not, it's a question to find answers beyond the span of a lifetime.
[13:36:48] <c0lo> And *that* I find depressing tonight.
[13:39:50] <FatPhil> That's why the smart ones left!
[13:40:12] <c0lo> Right!
[13:47:46] <c0lo> I can only hope the pink-dyed-hair-and-thorn-jeans-CoCed generation will escape to the countryside and "culturally drown" the loonies - too many college graduates on the coasts anyway. Perhaps Starlink-or-what-it's-name will enable them to do it sooner
[13:49:41] <c0lo> (they'll learn that doing values more than screetching about social justice, so that should be a win-win)
[13:50:48] <c0lo> s/screetching/screeching/
[13:50:48] <SedBot> <c0lo> (they'll learn that doing values more than screeching about social justice, so that should be a win-win)
[13:51:03] <FatPhil> people just need to relearn that sex is better than god. Sex is the best deconverter I know of. You can chip away at the edges very easily by dangling pussy in their faces.
[13:51:43] <FatPhil> And a majority with enough edges chipped away is a minority.
[13:51:49] <c0lo> Recreational weed should help with that, yes.
[13:52:06] <c0lo> s/that/sex/
[13:52:06] <SedBot> <c0lo> Recreational weed should help with sex, yes.
[13:52:09] <FatPhil> Ah, good point, yes, that's a useful tool.
[13:55:13] <c0lo> "Easy rider" remake. With a different ending, let's hope.
[13:59:06] <FatPhil> Not seen it. /Electraglide in Blue/, I have seen. That needs a different ending.
[14:01:26] <c0lo> First "big movie" of Jack Nicholson, worth watching.
[14:01:45] <FatPhil> It's on my classics to watch list, definitely
[14:02:21] * c0lo hasn't seen Electraglide in Blue. Will try to find it
[14:03:22] <FatPhil> Loads of classics still on that list. Taxi Driver, for pity's sake! Rashomon. Lots of absolute classics.
[14:04:21] <FatPhil> And yet I've wasted days of my life with /Plan 9 from Outer Space/, and /The Room/
[14:07:04] <FatPhil> I think I saw /The Disaster Artist/ *before* /The Room/, so I was kinda obliged to see the source material after that. I think beers were drunk, so it wasn't completely wasted time.
[14:13:37] <c0lo> =w No Country For Old Man
[14:13:38] <systemd> No Country for Old Men is a 2007 American neo-Western crime thriller film written and directed by Joel and Ethan Coen, based on Cormac McCarthy's 2005 - https://en.wikipedia.org(film)
[14:14:41] <FatPhil> was that the one with the mimic of a biblical story running through it?
[14:15:10] <FatPhil> I've seen about 2/3rds of the Coen stuff, and it kinda started good and got worse after they started winning awards.
[14:16:20] <c0lo> Didn't detect biblical in it, but certainly lotsa "fate" based things happening.
[14:16:31] <FatPhil> Ah, no, different one. Javier Bardem looking as uncharismatic as it's possible for him to be. He hated his look in thar role. Viscerally.
[14:17:08] <c0lo> Loved his part.
[14:17:27] <FatPhil> He did a grand job. As did the costume/makeup dept.
[14:17:31] <FatPhil> I was thinking of O Brother, Where Art Thou?
[14:18:47] <c0lo> Sounds interestng. Thanks.
[14:18:52] * c0lo gotta get some sleep. Lotsa meetings tomoz
[14:19:18] <Bytram> c0lo: sleep well!
[14:19:22] <FatPhil> Looking at https://en.wikipedia.org confirms there were more fluffs than hits for me in their oeuvre
[14:19:24] <systemd> ^ 03Coen brothers - Wikipedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org )
[14:19:29] <FatPhil> nighty night
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[20:22:30] <FatPhil> Well, hope against hope, I'm still cheering for Trump
[20:22:42] <FatPhil> An initial loss can be overcome.
[20:22:58] <FatPhil> I suspect c0lo might disagree, but that's his right.
[22:59:26] <c0lo> FatPhil, did you finally got to watch how Trump played with his balls?
[23:04:18] <FatPhil> I hope his playing with his balls never ends. Long may he reign.
[23:10:23] <c0lo> Master, yes.
[23:35:48] <Bytram> .op