#US_Election | Logs for 2020-12-07
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[01:06:46] <Runaway1956> Glory is highly overrated.
[02:47:42] <carny> https://www.youtube.com
[02:47:43] <systemd> ^ 03Rep. Babin targets dead voters with ‘You must be alive to vote act’
[02:48:16] <carny> i don't think we even have to watch the video to realize there's a serious problem in our republic
[02:55:39] <c0lo> What problem? Undead with brainz eaten by zombies? Stop the vote, count the vote? Frickin' racoons, man.
[04:09:55] <chromas> https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net
[04:27:41] <carny> lol
[04:28:21] <carny> i'm almost completely sure the leftist who made that actually believes their own bs
[04:28:37] <carny> it might be foreign agitprop but that's unlikely
[04:30:09] <carny> if the ones around here are any useful sample they have already managed to forget the hundreds of thousands of screaming idiots chanting 'not my president' and swearing up and down that vladimir puting himself literally cheated hillary and installed bad orange man as president
[05:07:53] <c0lo> The explanations are simplier than you think, carny. Enjoy https://www.youtube.com
[05:07:55] <systemd> ^ 03Raccoon's Are Trying To Steal This Election (BBQ BEER FREEDOM REMIX)
[07:23:43] <carny> uh oh
[07:24:39] <carny> in the georgia hearing the democrat senator who looks suspiciously like one of the ballot counters who showed up in photos during the counting made a slightly inconvenient statement
[07:25:34] <carny> she said that the surveillance video of the convention center where the observers were sent home and 4 people remained to count hidden suitcases full of ballots was 'debunked'
[07:26:15] <carny> unfortunately for her at the time that video had been acquired from the convention center mere hours before and had been presented to absolutely nobody in the media
[07:26:31] <carny> its first airing was in front of that same democrat senator
[07:26:41] <carny> so much for her 'debunking'
[07:27:13] <carny> add her to the list of traitors doing their best to subvert the course of justice
[07:27:58] <c0lo> https://www.11alive.com
[07:27:59] <systemd> ^ 03Fact-checking claims about Fulton County's election
[07:28:32] <c0lo> Weird how three rounds of recounting didn't reveal discrepancies.
[07:29:22] <c0lo> Enjoy, carny https://www.youtube.com
[07:29:24] <systemd> ^ 03The Massive Dump Trump Remix (With SNL Michigan Lady)
[07:37:00] <carny> then the 2nd ex-military guy says flat out that fake ballots were injected into the chain of custody
[07:37:15] <carny> garbage in garbage out
[07:37:33] <carny> nothing you can do after that point to rescue the election from the taint
[07:41:03] <c0lo> And I assume the 2nd ex-military guy has material evidence fake ballots were injected, evidence that can be presented to a court? You'd better get the ball rolling soon, clock's ticking.
[07:42:44] <FatPhil> are you saying the evidence will appear on tiktok?
[07:44:20] <carny> well i guess you could maybe do a music video with the surveillance video as a source?
[07:44:29] <carny> if you were really good at editing
[07:44:50] <carny> there's a fair bit of jerkiness that might be transformable into dancing with the right ai
[07:44:57] <c0lo> I don't think so, that would be a massive dump that the TikTok crowd wouldn't appreciate. They're not very sympathetic with the trump's crowd.
[07:46:28] <c0lo> pancakes, carny? https://www.motherjones.com
[07:46:29] <systemd> ^ 03The Million MAGA March hashtag has been taken over by images of pancakes
[08:32:30] <c0lo> carny, FYI, be aware that Jan 5 will see 23000 more voters in GA. No, no deads, on the contrary https://www.npr.org
[08:32:31] <systemd> ^ 03Activists Begin Registering Young Voters In Preparation For Georgia's Runoff Election
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[11:21:49] <SoyGuest49133> Bytram: I think the topic can be changed now! Soemthing more generic would do.
[12:59:57] Bytram changed topic of #US_Election to: Channel for discussions about US Elections. This channel IS logged. Please be civil.
[13:00:14] <Bytram> SoyGuest49133: Thanks for the suggestion... done!
[13:27:32] <c0lo> https://www.11alive.com
[13:27:33] <systemd> ^ 03Gov. Kemp, Lt. Gov. Duncan say no to special session over election, explain why
[13:30:31] <c0lo> Interesting https://thehill.com
[13:30:32] <systemd> ^ 03ABC's Stephanopoulos to GOP senator on presidential race: 'Why can't you accept the results?'
[13:34:46] <SoyGuest49133> "do you now accept that he's president-elect?" Stephanopoulos asked Braun. Erm, because he won't become president elect until the actual presidential election, which is on 14th!?!??
[13:36:05] <SoyGuest49133> Why do US MSM political pundits know less about the US political system than a damn foreigner?
[13:39:56] <c0lo> Creating expectations. Both side are doing it, except that Trump uses twitter, FatPhil.
[13:40:30] <SoyGuest49133> response is a bit dumb as well. "you're going to have half of the country uncertain about what just happened and disgruntled going into the future." - erm - just like last time, and the previous time. In such polarised systems, losers rarely understand how or why they lost, and of course they're disgruntled. They just lost. It's kinda natural.
[13:41:55] <SoyGuest49133> The Hillary mob last year was hilarious with their deer-in-headlights stares when the numbers came in. The trumpaloons are just as funny this time round, but in very different ways.
[13:42:51] <SoyGuest49133> This year its the Angry White Men(TM) crowd, rather than the Special Snowflake(TM) crowd.
[13:43:00] <c0lo> Speaking of funny https://twitter.com
[13:43:01] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter ( https://mobile.twitter.com )
[13:45:18] <c0lo> (chuckle) https://twitter.com
[13:45:19] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter ( https://mobile.twitter.com )
[13:49:50] <c0lo> "This year its the Angry White Men(TM) crowd, rather than the Special Snowflake(TM) crowd." Now that I think of ot, the things are different a bit...
[13:50:16] <SoyGuest49133> I can't laugh at 'tyaditphyas', I find it painful to even have in front of my eyes. (not least because there's no 'I' in Russian Cyrillic, the eta-derivative is rendered more eta-like.)
[13:50:56] <c0lo> ... the Special Snowflake(TM) crowd didn't split. The Angry White Men(TM) seems to the point of splintering if not splitting.
[13:52:15] <c0lo> (well, I took a chance. Apologies for the pain)
[13:55:05] <SoyGuest49133> Don't worry, I rant at Borat posters too.
[13:55:57] <SoyGuest49133> Or Voyadt, as the posters say.
[13:56:57] <c0lo> Looks like if the breitbarf&the pack can't hurt the smowflakes anymore, they are happy to take the Angry White Men(TM) out of GOP voting base. https://twitter.com
[13:56:58] <systemd> ^ 03Search Twitter - #rino ( https://mobile.twitter.com )
[13:58:08] <c0lo> But maybe I'm mistaken about the number of vengeful Angry White Men(TM)
[14:03:08] <requerdanos> The borat posters hurt my eyes
[14:03:48] <requerdanos> I don't even speak [Any Slavic Language], I just know what sounds the letters make
[14:07:48] <SoyGuest49133> The RINO split potential is certainly interesting. I'd like to see Dims split down a "socialist" divide too. Maybe having 4 parties rather than 2 would be good for the other parties that everyone forgets about.
[14:08:21] <SoyGuest49133> And maybe you (they) could eventually migrate towards democracy!
[14:09:28] <SoyGuest49133> Has anyone drawn up a list showing the disconnect mentioned here: https://theconversation.com
[14:09:30] <systemd> ^ 03Why Trump's election fraud claims aren't showing up in his lawsuits challenging the results
[14:10:26] <SoyGuest49133> I know the beeb did a "trumps 10 top fraud claims debunked" article, or something like that, but there are closer to 100 than 10, I'm sure.
[14:15:11] <SoyGuest49133> https://www.foxnews.com
[14:15:11] <systemd> ^ 03Dershowitz explains how Supreme Court could get involved in Georgia election challenge
[14:17:51] <c0lo> I sorta looked on the https://www.democracydocket.com for some days immediatelly after the election, but then the weather became too floody for the time I had available.
[14:17:52] <systemd> ^ 032020 Post-Election Litigation
[14:19:23] <c0lo> As for the absurd claims Trump made public... never wanted to keep track of them and their evolution.
[14:22:13] <SoyGuest49133> I just presumed someone would collate the full freak show of claims, there's a lot of nerds out there on the internet.
[14:23:49] <SoyGuest49133> the democracy docket page wasn't bad for the saner side of things, indeed, if a bit JS-laden for my tastes.
[14:26:11] <Bytram> =g washington post trump lies falsehoods
[14:26:11] <systemd> Search failed: HTTP request returned status code 503 ()
[14:26:23] <Bytram> ???
[14:26:26] <Bytram> =g washington post trump lies falsehoods
[14:26:27] <systemd> https://www.washingtonpost.com - GOP Rep. Kinzinger wages a lonely fight against Trump's ...
[14:26:44] <Bytram> =g washington post trump how many lies falsehoods
[14:26:45] <systemd> Search failed: HTTP request returned status code 503 ()
[14:26:48] <Bytram> =g washington post trump how many lies falsehoods
[14:26:49] <systemd> https://www.washingtonpost.com - President Trump has made 13,435 false or misleading claims over ...
[14:28:39] <Bytram> c0lo: systemd: ^^^ 13,435 so far -- even 1% of that would be 134. And, so far, I have never once heard him own up to making a mistake. Must be nice to be so perfect, right?
[14:31:43] <c0lo> bytram, only the false claims Trump and his team made after the election and they'd be too many for any amateur.
[14:33:57] <Bytram> Keep practicing and might get... perfect!
[14:43:52] <c0lo> https://www.washingtonpost.com
[14:44:02] <systemd> ^ 03Analysis | The Trailer: What Trump supporters in Georgia believe
[14:46:08] <c0lo> Look like scortched earth "if I can't have it, neither GOP will"
[14:47:59] <Bytram> or 10-dimensional chess?
[14:48:12] <Bytram> :^)
[15:20:33] <requerdanos> I sure am glad they investigated that "Suitcases of Illegal Ballots" video. https://www.factcheck.org
[15:20:34] <systemd> ^ 03Video Doesn't Show 'Suitcases' of Illegal Ballots in Georgia - FactCheck.org
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[15:51:39] <SoyGuest49133> requerdanos: ah, another case of trumpaloon conspiracy theorists making shit up. Now there's a surprise. SUrely the law of averages says that eventually one of their fever dreams will turn out to be true!
[15:52:27] <requerdanos> I sheepishly admit that I was not surprised that investigation revealed something other than what trump(ists) claimed.
[15:54:36] <SoyGuest49133> Certainly, all procedures should be accountable, and so an investigation into an imagined fraud was fully appropriate.
[15:56:13] <SoyGuest49133> However, when you're using selective editing of the camera footage, your efforts should be compared to Sasha Baron Cohen's Rudy clip in Borat 2.
[15:56:24] <requerdanos> investigation into suspected fraud is appropriate; investigation into imagined fraud strikes me the wrong way.
[15:57:12] <SoyGuest49133> "But you cut the bit where we accepted those perfectly standard ballot boxes an hour earlier!?!?!?
[15:57:41] <SoyGuest49133> " seems like a pretty swift "we know you're lying, you know you're lying - give it up now" response.
[15:59:04] <requerdanos> not suitcases, full of not illegal votes, counted in the normal course of work, doesn't have quite the same trumpian ring to it.
[16:04:27] <requerdanos> *everybody left!* but "a state election board monitor and investigator from the Secretary of State’s office both returned to watch the counting until its completion."
[16:05:57] <SoyGuest49133> I can vaguely understand seeing a bunch of staff leaving, as their tasks have been completed, and thinking the evening's over. However, you're not a very good observer if you're that much of a sheep.
[16:10:11] <requerdanos> I don't know enough at this remove to judge whether the observers were good or poor, but have enough information to know that the trumpian accusations were not borne out by evidence.
[16:11:51] <requerdanos> some people are going to be either crushed, or totally unconvinced, by the evidence revealed by investigation into what happened and how it came out.
[16:14:53] <SoyGuest49133> What amazes me is that every time there's a new fraud fairytale, the trumpaloons jump up and down with excitement apparently thinking they've finally proved it all, and then instantly ignore them when they're debunked.
[16:15:20] <SoyGuest49133> It's almost as if they have the memory span of pondlife, and just don't remember that they've been bullshitted to 100 times in the last few weeks.
[16:49:12] <SoyGuest49133> Ah, I didn't know trumpaloons were flinging around Benford's Law as a proof! of fraud! Use of that's a very easy one to blow out of the water.
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[17:08:28] <SoyGuest49133> Aha, Standup Maths has debunked the Dr. Shiva scatterplot-based proof! of fraud! in michigan. Youtube id aokNwKx7gM8
[18:42:59] <carny> requerdanos: if you really do care about learning the truth of what happened in the election and you're not just another marxist troll here's the election observer/voter integrity advocate who was not allowed in front of the committee in georgia https://youtube.com
[18:43:02] <systemd> ^ 03Garland Favorito: Ware Cty GA Machine Shows Software Programmed to Flip Votes to Biden ( https://www.youtube.com )
[18:43:29] <carny> as he makes clear he was attempting to expose corruption in all parties
[18:44:16] <carny> and that necessarily includes all of these georgia republican officials who are saying 'everything was perfect nothing to see here'
[18:46:15] <carny> fatphil so far i haven't seen any court case or any legislature hearing even mention benford's law just fyi
[20:07:05] <Bytram> =g benford's law
[20:07:06] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Benford's law - Wikipedia
[20:12:00] <Bytram> Neat! TIL today... TYVM!
[20:52:35] <chromas> =g binford tools
[20:52:37] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Binford - Wikipedia
[21:09:14] <Bytram> =w spacex SN9
[21:09:15] <systemd> The SpaceX Starship system is a fully-reusable, two-stage-to-orbit, super heavy-lift launch vehicle under development by SpaceX since 2012, as a self-funded - https://en.wikipedia.org
[21:09:37] <Bytram> =w spacex SN9 height
[21:09:38] <systemd> Starlink is a satellite internet constellation being constructed by SpaceX providing satellite Internet access. The constellation will consist of thousands - https://en.wikipedia.org
[22:09:24] <carny> Robb Hurst, CPA 🐸
[22:09:25] <carny> @robbhurstCPA
[22:09:25] <carny> Dec 6
[22:09:28] <carny> 3/3 We have been watching. We will not forget you sat by and did nothing while Georgia burned.
[22:09:39] <carny> and this response
[22:10:04] <carny> XavierC,LLC
[22:10:04] <carny> @shadeballsbyX
[22:10:04] <carny> Dec 6
[22:10:04] <carny> Replying to @robbhurstCPA
[22:10:04] <carny> They slinked off stage when crowd chanted “Defend Trump”
[22:10:06] <carny> 1
[22:10:09] <carny> 0
[22:10:11] <carny> 0
[22:10:14] <carny> 4
[22:10:16] <carny> ugh stupid web formatting
[22:11:06] <carny> anyhow this is the impression i'm getting of what we're in store for if the fraud is allowed to stand https://twitter.com
[22:11:07] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter ( https://mobile.twitter.com )
[22:12:00] <carny> the silver lining is that the corrup republicans are going to be stabbing each other in the back
[22:12:26] <carny> or blowing up each others kids with car bombs
[22:12:48] <carny> so much for american peace and justice
[22:16:55] <c0lo> https://twitter.com
[22:16:56] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter ( https://mobile.twitter.com )
[22:26:13] <carny> i'd love to see a psych survey where people were shown a photo of ted cruz and 99 pedophiles rapists and serial killers and asked to identify the criminals and guess their crimes
[22:26:23] <SoyGuest49133> carny: I give the ones that actually reach court some respect, accountability is important, and correct procedures and protocols need to be seen to be done, which sometimes mean they need to be *proved* to be done, rather than just presumed. However, the flappy trumpaloons who fling poo on twitter will apparently fling anything around, and it appears some idiot who had heard of benford's law dec
[22:26:29] <SoyGuest49133> ided to fling that in case it stuck. It didn't.
[22:26:42] <SoyGuest49133> =yt etx0k1nLn78
[22:26:43] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Why do Biden's votes not follow Benford's Law? (17:46; 1,833,995 views; 👍80,055 👎6,938)
[22:26:50] <carny> agreed
[22:27:32] <carny> i'm quite sure there are a minimum critical mass of idiots in any political demographic we can identify
[22:27:58] <carny> personally i don't place much stock in benford's law in the first place
[22:28:03] <Bytram> =g there's a sucker born every minute
[22:28:04] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - There's a sucker born every minute - Wikipedia
[22:28:25] <SoyGuest49133> =yt aokNwKx7gM8 does a very shallow, but absolutely fatal, debunking of the Shiva loonacy.
[22:28:25] <systemd> No results
[22:28:37] <SoyGuest49133> =yt aokNwKx7gM8
[22:28:38] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Do these scatter plots reveal fraudulent vote-switching in Michigan? (18:16; 581,443 views; 👍39,848 👎2,783)
[22:29:10] <carny> if you audit atm transactions in the united states you're going to find an enormous spike that start with 2 and a smaller spike of 3 because stupid and or poor people withdraw $20 every time and smart and or rich drug dealing people withdraw $300 every time
[22:29:40] <carny> but according to benford's law all of those people are guilty of faking their transactions for some mysterious reason
[22:29:46] <Bytram> carny: at it's simplest, ISTM an observation that spacing on a logarithmic basis gives more space to small digits than large. (Think spacing on a slide rule vs on a ruler)
[22:29:52] <SoyGuest49133> I never got round to plotting the various things that I had intended (I was lazy and arrogant, I knew they were bullshit claims immediately, and had no immediate audience to prove that too), but plotting the equivalent chart for biden absolutely kills their claims stone dead instantly.
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[22:30:15] <carny> do you mean the dr shiva plots?
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[22:30:33] <FatPhil> yeah, the ones we were ranting about at the time.
[22:31:03] <carny> i suspect he was 'on to something' but didn't visualize it properly
[22:31:16] <Bytram> it's a *generalization*, not a guarantee... that things tend too follow such a distribution, not that everything does
[22:31:28] <carny> what we now know from impounded machines in wisconsin and georgia is that there are votes being flipped algorithmically
[22:31:28] <Bytram> read the Wiki page.
[22:31:57] <Bytram> https://en.wikipedia.org
[22:31:58] <systemd> ^ 03Benford's law - Wikipedia
[22:32:02] <FatPhil> That vid doesn't mention Simpson's Paradox, which is remarkable relevant for the "never sum percentages" point Matt makes, and a good way of connecting different bits of how to misuse maths.
[22:32:19] <carny> impounded dominion machines that is but in tneory any system running smartmatic software is similarly suspect
[22:32:21] <c0lo> (gotta love how an Accountant tweet have more sigbificance than the words of elected GOP officials)
[22:32:48] <Bytram> =g dominion voting machines
[22:32:49] <systemd> https://www.dominionvoting.com - Dominion Voting Systems: Home
[22:33:52] <carny> honestly it makes me feel worse that they used such sloppy methods to corrupt the process than if they had done a brilliant job
[22:34:07] <FatPhil> nah, shiva was never onto anything. He pumped 1 wrong assumption and 2 new degrees of freedom into the data. - from some angle you're going to see something weird. (and viewed from the mirror angle, you get the same weirdness for biden too. case closed)
[22:34:17] <carny> it means they don't care that much about getting caught and that is a brutal indictment of just how far gone our republic is
[22:35:08] <carny> straight linear vote flipping in closed source software is so crude
[22:35:11] <c0lo> Exactly whe the fraud has taken place on those machines? Because there were 3 recounts in GA and the results matched close enough.
[22:35:12] <FatPhil> Or it means you're a conspiracy theorist who is lining up two things that have no connection with each other, and making claims that are not disprovable.
[22:35:50] <carny> has he stayed with that narrative or has he refined it after criticism do you know?
[22:36:51] <requerdanos> Things that are not evidence: {Allegations|Accusations|A Tweet|A YT Video|An Editorial|Someone's Narrative}
[22:37:00] <FatPhil> c0lo: there was at least two recounts which gave more votes to Biden, wasn't there?
[22:38:02] <c0lo> Ignorable amounts, FatPhil
[22:38:09] <requerdanos> I am sure there is someone going to say "More votes for Biden is just what you would expect in a totally rigged election, that proves the fraud"
[22:38:26] <FatPhil> Ah, nope, Azuma mentioned a recount. The one I am thinking of was the "sweep" before ending the first count that discovered a disproportionately pro-biden, but still trump-favouring dump of votes.
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[22:40:38] <FatPhil> Bytram: from my mathematical background, you really want several orders of magnitude to be involved before Benford starts to become relevant. I studied it deeply with an infinite range of orders of magnitude, where it becomes a perfect fit.
[22:41:01] <Bytram> Kewel!
[22:41:47] <requerdanos> The number of votes cast by each voter is most often having the first digit "1"
[22:42:47] <c0lo> I remember 3 cards with votes discovered at the first recount in GA that were not uploaded into the system - around 2800 votes. Attributable to human error.
[22:43:47] <c0lo> https://www.macon.com
[22:43:49] <systemd> ^ 03GA county finds 2,800 votes on memory card not uploaded during tally, election officials say
[22:44:35] <c0lo> After that, the recounts showed ignorable vriations.
[22:44:38] <Bytram> One of my (surprisingly) most interest college math courses (we started with Calculus 1 and it went on for 6 semesters, plus statistics) was Fundamentals of Mathematics (Senior "gut" courcs) where we stared with Peano(sp?) principles/axioms(?) and derived whole number system, integers, rational numbers, real numbers, and complex numbers, too. Extremely illuminating class!
[22:44:40] <carny> requerdanos: wrong
[22:44:54] <carny> you really need to learn how elections work
[22:45:02] <requerdanos> most people's number of votes is more than one?
[22:45:12] <FatPhil> requerdanos++ first digit correctly calculated!
[22:45:34] <carny> allegations of fraud are evidence that call into question the integrity of an election
[22:45:46] <carny> all elections are fraudulent until proven otherwise
[22:45:55] <requerdanos> I FOUND IT!!!!!
[22:45:55] <carny> this really shouldn't be hard to understand
[22:46:04] <Bytram> Just need to find 24 more cards... somewhere! Keep looking!
[22:46:08] <c0lo> One on top of the others, I'm still to understand when the alleged "switch votes to Biden fraud" took place.
[22:46:20] <Bytram> conspiracytheories--
[22:46:46] <requerdanos> Here is the fundamental logical fallacy separating the rational people from the conspiracist people: "Allegations are evidence"
[22:46:50] <FatPhil> allegations are not evidence. full stop.
[22:46:52] <c0lo> carny, GTFO. You can't prove a negative.
[22:47:35] <c0lo> =w Russell's teapot
[22:47:36] <systemd> Russell's teapot is an analogy, formulated by the philosopher Bertrand Russell (1872–1970), to illustrate that the philosophic burden of proof lies upon - https://en.wikipedia.org's_teapot
[22:47:44] <requerdanos> Allegations can be supported by evidence, disproved by evidence, or can simply be noise, but by itself an allegation is not evidence of anything except that there was some accusation made by somebody
[22:48:04] <FatPhil> No!! They're proof! of fraud!
[22:48:05] <requerdanos> I accuse you of being a marxist conspiracist, for example.
[22:48:16] <Bytram> I allege carny is making stuff up
[22:48:21] <FatPhil> Shit, I got that wrong....
[22:48:27] <FatPhil> No!! There proof! of fraud!
[22:48:33] <FatPhil> that's better
[22:48:35] <carny> it's really not that hard to understand
[22:48:42] <Bytram> ciao
[22:48:51] <c0lo> The burden of proof shall forever stay with the claimant
[22:49:05] <FatPhil> the claimant of the unexpected claim.
[22:49:10] <carny> you must have unbiased observers throughout the process for a secret ballot election to be fair
[22:49:21] <FatPhil> false
[22:49:40] <carny> hundreds of swarn affidavits demonstrate this did not happen
[22:49:50] <FatPhil> For exactly the same reason Zuzu messed up her logic this morning (my time).
[22:49:58] <carny> you must have an unbroken chain of custody of ballots for a secret ballot election to be fair
[22:50:06] <FatPhil> false
[22:50:09] <FatPhil> same reason
[22:50:16] <requerdanos> "swarn affidavidats" are the equivalent of "someone said" - and whatever someone said can be supported, or disproven, or whatever, by evidence.
[22:50:22] <c0lo> In a population of 300M, you are bound to find enough liers and delusional people.
[22:50:24] <carny> that means you can't send the republicans home at 2am and continue counting open boxes of ballots
[22:51:04] <carny> you must have observers for the counting and challenging of ballots for a secret ballot election to be fair
[22:51:22] <carny> once again that means you can't send the republicans home at 2am and continue counting open boxes of ballots
[22:51:24] <requerdanos> Oh, the suitcase video! You'll be happy to know they sorted that one out, https://www.factcheck.org
[22:51:24] <systemd> ^ 03Video Doesn't Show 'Suitcases' of Illegal Ballots in Georgia - FactCheck.org
[22:52:13] <carny> i hate to have to pull rank on you here but no serious analyst gives factcheck.org serious credence
[22:52:53] <requerdanos> the irony in you of all people questioning the veracity of a source is mind-blowing, but it's what factcheck is reporting and from where that's significant.
[22:52:58] <carny> i skimmed that article and i think i counted at least 4 individuals quoted who are expected to be guilty of bribery or other corruption charges in this case
[22:53:28] <carny> there was no content that i saw that did not come one of those sources
[22:53:33] <c0lo> https://www.forbes.com
[22:53:35] <systemd> ^ 03No, Atlanta Didn’t Count Illegal Ballots In Secret (Or In Suitcases)
[22:53:54] <c0lo> https://www.politifact.com
[22:53:54] <systemd> ^ 03PolitiFact - No, Georgia election workers didn’t kick out observers and illegally count ‘suitcases’ of ballots
[22:54:15] <carny> just because the secretary of state hasn't been indicted for fraud or bribery yet does not mean he gets to make surveillance video go away with a press release
[22:54:33] <requerdanos> I mean, you were telling me that no one would investigate the suitcase thing at all, and come to find out it's been investigated and none of the claims stand under scrutiny, I thought this would make you happy
[22:54:59] <carny> it was not investigated
[22:55:01] <c0lo> https://apnews.com
[22:55:02] <systemd> ^ 03Surveillance tape breeds false fraud claims in Georgia
[22:55:30] <carny> it was 'debunked' the instant the video was shown to the georgia state senate by a democrat senator who had never even heard of it before
[22:55:35] <requerdanos> I gotta say, I am not with you on this one.
[22:56:05] <carny> the fact that a well oiled machine is able to crank out 10,000 articles claiming it was debunked does not prove anything
[22:56:13] <c0lo> Nobody looked and presented the video segment when those crates where placed under those tables. Why is that?
[22:56:18] <carny> i couldn't care less if i tried ;]
[22:56:44] <carny> your opinion just makes it 10,001
[22:56:46] <requerdanos> *illegal ballot suitcases
[22:56:58] <c0lo> I couldn't care less about your care less.
[22:57:48] <carny> even if you could zoom in on the video and show there were proper bureau of elections seals on proper containers it still does not remove the taint of expelling the observers before continuing the count in secret
[22:58:17] <carny> once again there is a broken chain of custody of ballots so the burden of proof is on the defense to show those ballots were genuine and counted accurately
[22:58:18] <requerdanos> There is, of course, no indication that the observers were expelled.
[22:58:31] <carny> the observers testified to that effect
[22:58:46] <requerdanos> Other than allegations to accompany the deceptively presented tape
[22:59:09] <carny> furthermore if you want to claim that they simply got tired and went home you also have to explain why they came back 2 hours later
[22:59:28] <carny> the observers testified to that effect before they even knew of the tapes' existence
[22:59:29] <requerdanos> I make no claims about their fatigue status.
[22:59:39] <carny> which you would know if you watched the hearing
[23:00:21] <carny> i strongly suspect none of them had even been informed of the tapes' existence 5 minutes prior to the hearing beginning
[23:00:51] <carny> the left really should just learn to face reality
[23:01:08] <carny> their leadership tried to steal an election in multiple states and they got caught red handed
[23:01:20] <carny> and they should be very angry about that
[23:01:50] <carny> they should also be even more angry that it appears the fraud was coordinated with at least 2 sitting republican officials
[23:02:05] <carny> how much treason can their party tolerate?
[23:02:12] <c0lo> carny should just learn to face reality instead of connecting imaginary dots.
[23:02:46] <carny> you might have thought that stealing iowa from bernie in 2016 was enough to cause some serious introspection and reform
[23:02:58] <requerdanos> Interesting thing about that expression "red handed" -- it indicated there's physical evidence to make the hands actually change colors
[23:03:19] <carny> instead it appears that all of the party corruption has strengthened and spread
[23:03:38] <carny> again you failed to glean basic facts from these hearings
[23:03:54] <requerdanos> I mean the president's lawyers couldn't drum up enough suspension of disbelief for "Tucker Carlson" who does literal UFO segments with a straight face
[23:04:04] <carny> one long time elections worker testified that she could *feel* the difference in the fraudulent ballots
[23:04:19] <carny> wrong paper wrong ink wrong printing process
[23:04:30] <carny> oh and lack of creases
[23:04:49] <c0lo> And my urine can feel UFOs. Really. You must believe me.
[23:04:55] <carny> hard to get in a ballot that's supposed to be folded in 1/4 and put inside 3 envelopes
[23:05:27] <carny> easy to get when they were just printed and trucked to the counting site
[23:05:52] <carny> but i reiterate one more time that physical evidence is not necessary to invalidate an election
[23:05:59] <carny> only the absence of controls
[23:06:19] <pinchy> i heard from somewhere the machines had counted more than were physically possible according to the machines specs in the time they had
[23:06:44] <requerdanos> well, that must be true, if it were alleged.
[23:06:46] <pinchy> so they said it must have been altered in the database after the fact
[23:06:52] <carny> if you don't trust anything that any republican has ever said in american history maybe you could read former president carter's elections fraud prevention recommendations
[23:06:57] <c0lo> The law system has that nagging bad habit of not being applicable to things that happen before the law came into effect.
[23:07:18] <carny> most of his points were broken somewhere in this election
[23:07:38] <c0lo> So, if you want checks and surveillance at each stages, make he laws for the next ellections.
[23:07:41] <carny> the pdf is available online and i linked to one source here
[23:08:08] <requerdanos> so, his points were adhered to in previous elections, but broken in this one?
[23:08:21] <carny> pinchy: that's what's being said about the 2 hours of secret counting in georgia
[23:08:39] <carny> oh wait you might be talking about the vote dump statistics
[23:09:02] <pinchy> the machines that count the mail in ballots
[23:09:05] <carny> that is probably the 138,000 ballts dumped in i think michigan
[23:09:39] <carny> 138,600k for biden and somewhere near 3,200 for trump in the same spike
[23:10:08] <carny> again they weren't even trying to hide their ballot stuffing
[23:10:34] <c0lo> Enjoy carny https://www.youtube.com
[23:10:37] <systemd> ^ 03Donald Trump's MASSIVE DUMP REMIX - WTFBRAHH
[23:11:50] <c0lo> https://www.forbes.com
[23:11:52] <systemd> ^ 03Trump Renews Ballot ‘Dump’ Conspiracy Theory Claim
[23:12:42] <c0lo> https://www.reuters.com
[23:12:43] <systemd> ^ 03Fact check: Biden vote spikes and county recount do not prove Democrats are trying to steal the election in Michigan and Wisconsin
[23:14:01] <carny> the analysis that i've heard many times now from most of the folks with expertise in fraud investigation or elections is that they had expected to be able to flip the election to biden with a static algorithm that shaved a set percentage of votes in most precincts
[23:14:30] <carny> but it was overwhelmed by the sheer volume of trump support so they had to rely on massive ballot stuffing to make up the difference
[23:15:25] <carny> the problem i have with that scenario is that it doesn't explain the 'concidence' of biden's 'margin of victory' being exactly twice the percentage of vote flips done by the impounded dominion machines
[23:16:06] <carny> unless this hammer system is so accurate and the ballot stuffing operation was so responsive that the two were coordinated perfectly
[23:18:10] <carny> i can imagine backdoored software run by an intel org with the budget of the cia being that capable but there are a lot of moving parts to make the ballot stuffing coincide as well
[23:19:18] <carny> hmm although in georgia there is the additional wrinkle of the secretary of state's office receiving all the tabulations on election night and ordering the precincts and countis not to do their own reporting
[23:21:20] <carny> that's how they manipulated the process to ensure that hand recounts would always match (ensure that audits went top down instead of bottom up) but i think we're still missing a piece of the puzzle
[23:22:14] <carny> wane county provided the proof that the machines flip in person votes but nothing about mail-in ballots
[23:22:27] <carny> sorry ware county
[23:25:54] <carny> interesting i didn't know they had managed to identify the woman with the blonde braids yet
[23:26:04] <carny> https://www.thegatewaypundit.com
[23:26:05] <systemd> ^ 03BREAKING: CROOKED GEORGIA ELECTIONS SUPERVISER Filmed Pulling Out Suitcases of Ballots from Beneath Table IS IDENTIFIED -- IT'S RUBY'S DAUGHTER! (Video)
[23:26:40] <carny> the amount and quality of crowd sourced investigations on this election is staggering
[23:42:47] <c0lo> carny, video survaillance, yeah? One should be able to find the moment those "suitcases" were placed under the table. How come this "redhanded" info never surfaced?
[23:43:52] <c0lo> s/surfaced/surfaced with your gatewaypundits/
[23:43:53] <SedBot> <c0lo> carny, video survaillance, yeah? One should be able to find the moment those "suitcases" were placed under the table. How come this "redhanded" info never surfaced with your gatewaypundits?
[23:44:46] <carny> https://www.bitchute.com
[23:44:47] <systemd> ^ 03'MAN IN RED' IDENTIFIED Atlanta State Farm Arena 'Suitcases of Ballots' Ralph Jones
[23:45:23] <carny> i wonder how many marxists who are so eager to dox elections observers will call for mr jones to appear in court
[23:46:07] <carny> the fact that there are zero calls to audit the election flaws from the democrat establishment is a key indicator that the corruption goes all the way to the top
[23:46:46] <carny> you would think that joe biden more than anybody would want to legitimize his victory with a full investigation
[23:47:18] <carny> instead he told the press that he had the 'most inclusive voter fraud' team ever
[23:47:26] <carny> oops silly joe
[23:51:26] <c0lo> I wonder how many conspiracy theorists are willing to dox "the woman with the blonde braids".
[23:52:27] <c0lo> It is however the burden of those CT to prove that their "connected dots" are something else than the result of their minds.
[23:52:56] <c0lo> Feel free to call whoever you want in court.
[23:53:43] <c0lo> Just provide physical evidence, not just hearsay.