#US_Election | Logs for 2020-12-05
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[04:11:39] <c0lo> "needs his head examined" I'll examine it, just send the head to me on a plate.
[05:08:25] <carny> https://www.thetimes.co.uk
[05:08:27] <systemd> ^ 031,000 ‘Beijing agents’ flee America as net closes in
[05:09:08] <carny> possibility that the ccp realizes that trump has activated the military to deal with foreign actors
[13:35:32] <requerdanos> There's quite a bit of overlap between "researcher" and "spy"
[16:22:42] <pinchy> how come its not thetime.us
[16:23:23] <pinchy> each new agency from across the pond is gaslighting each other
[16:28:20] <Bytram> Runaway1956: My recollection was: "Better to remain silent and thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt."
[16:28:39] <Bytram> =g Better to remain silent and thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt
[16:28:40] <systemd> https://quoteinvestigator.com - Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and ...
[16:34:11] <Bytram> Well, that was an interesting read!
[17:16:20] <requerdanos> https://apnews.com
[17:16:20] <systemd> ^ 03Biden officially secures enough electors to become president
[17:20:09] <requerdanos> looks like I was right when I called the election for biden.
[18:07:15] <requerdanos> Of course, anyone with or without two hands and a flashlight should have been able to pull off this feat of prognostication, but that ability seems surprisingly elusive of late.
[18:15:59] <requerdanos> Some people, not named Joe Biden, have actually looked at the same results everyone else is looking at, and said "Hey, I won. Huuuge win."
[18:16:16] <requerdanos> Yet these are sesame street skills.
[19:36:34] <carny> some people have realized that several million votes for joe biden were fraudulent
[19:36:46] <carny> https://www.youtube.com
[19:36:48] <systemd> ^ 03Analyst finds thousands of illegal Ga Ballots – files suit
[19:37:17] <carny> new filing actually contains the names of fraudulent ballots
[19:37:37] <carny> but there's no dna samples yet so it's not 'evidence' right?
[19:38:12] <carny> over 22k bad ballots
[19:38:27] <carny> remind me what bidens margin of 'victory' was in georgia again?
[19:41:22] <carny> some background here https://www.bitchute.com
[19:41:23] <systemd> ^ 03Voter Integrity Project - Findings and Conclusions by Matt Braynard
[19:55:43] <carny> this madman is actually committing to a financial audit of his donations and expenditures
[19:56:15] <carny> has nobody explained to him that republicans are all supposed to be grifting?
[19:56:16] <Bytram> carny: So, hypothetically, let's imagine Trump did win in GA and he got those electoral votes... Remind me how many electoral votes GA has, and how many Trump needed in order to overcome Biden's lead?
[19:57:36] <carny> he also says he's going to release his 'some of the data sets' and the methodologies used to generate his conclusions
[19:58:12] <Bytram> =g electoral vote count Biden Trump
[19:58:13] <systemd> https://www.theguardian.com - US election results 2020: Joe Biden defeats Donald Trump to win ...
[19:58:23] <carny> i believe some of the data is proprietary and can't be released as it's compiled by commercial companies and distributed under license
[19:58:42] <carny> that sucks but i don't think we can overturn copyright law on voter data at the same time
[19:58:58] <carny> somebody write that down on the to-do list for after the war
[20:00:29] <carny> so pennsylvania will be overturned simply because of the 2.5mil ballots received vs 1.8mil ballots mailed out situation and now georgia will be overturned because more than the margin of 'victory' is demonstrated fraudulent
[20:01:02] <carny> is there a website that's keeping score?
[20:03:17] <Bytram> according to that link ( https://www.theguardian.com ): Biden has 306 and Trump has 232 -- that's a difference of 74 electoral votes. To Win, then, Trump needed to "flip" 37 electoral votes. Since you didn't answer: GA has 16 electoral votes. Even if Trump got those, he'd still need 21 more EV's above and beyond GA's.
[20:03:20] <systemd> ^ 03US election results 2020: Joe Biden defeats Donald Trump to win presidency
[20:07:05] <Bytram> So, give Trump AZ, too. That's 11 EVs. Leaving Trump *still* needing 10 *additional* EVs to flip, as well.
[20:07:47] <Bytram> and that would leave it an even tie. Would still need another EV beyond that.
[20:11:01] <Bytram> That is irrespective of Biden receiving 81,255,933 votes to Trump's 74,196,153 votes. That is over 7 million more people who voted for Biden than for Trump.
[20:11:41] <Bytram> =w clutching at straws
[20:11:42] <systemd> Clutching at Straws is the fourth studio album by the British neo-progressive rock band Marillion, released in 1987. It was the last album with lead singer - https://en.wikipedia.org
[20:11:52] <Bytram> lol!
[20:33:38] <carny> so far it appears that mr braynard's analysis doesn't rely on any 'hacking' or other manipulation of electronic data
[20:33:49] <carny> just old fashioned ballot stuffing
[20:34:09] <carny> probably stacy abrahms' vote harvesting efforts
[20:34:53] <carny> i've heard talk of her being thrown under the bus to protect dominion and the rest of the intelligence ops
[20:36:00] <carny> if the voter integrity project's suit seems to blow through barriers while lin wood's is blocked by blatant judicial activism we'll know that's the decision from on high
[20:41:11] <Bytram> I see you did not respond to the numbers I posted about how many electoral votes would have to flip for Trump to come up even to Biden; never mind pull ahead.
[20:41:30] <carny> half a million absentee ballots in arizona were not returned
[20:41:37] <Bytram> Enough woo-woo wishing for me. Good day.
[20:41:45] <carny> 518,560 to be precise
[20:42:38] <carny> of those listed voters who returned phone calls 44.1% of them said they did not request a ballot
[20:43:04] <requerdanos> I, myself, did not request a ballot.
[20:43:18] <carny> given the difficulty of sampling such things let's be conservative and estimate that only 200,000 of those ballots were fraudulent
[20:43:31] <carny> what was the 'margin of victory' in arizona?
[20:43:48] <carny> requerdanos: and was one recorded for you anyway?
[20:43:54] <requerdanos> If a ballot is "not returned", there is no data to indicate it is fraudulent.
[20:44:12] <requerdanos> So, "being conservative," you would come up with 20 or 200, not 200000.
[20:44:58] <requerdanos> Well, of course I can't know whether a ballot was recorded on my behalf, but it doesn't seem to have been. Yet Trump won my state.
[20:45:07] <carny> oh wait my mistake
[20:45:37] <carny> it's 17.3% who said they did return their ballot but it wasn't received
[20:46:14] <carny> so a bit less than 100k potential disenfranchisements
[20:46:54] <carny> you can know whether or not one was recorded on your behalf
[20:46:59] <requerdanos> If you give--and this is not a thing, but--if you give trump georgia and arizona, that's no better than giving him puerto rico and the us virgin islands. sesame street skills again.
[20:47:07] <carny> if one was received it is recoreded in the voter rolls
[20:47:37] <requerdanos> none seemed to have been recorded at the time I went to early in-person voting.
[20:47:48] <carny> there is clearly wide spread election fraud and manipulation going on across the whole country
[20:48:05] <carny> that's fine
[20:48:05] <requerdanos> There was fraud, sure.
[20:48:18] <carny> that just means you were not personally 'harvested'
[20:48:20] <requerdanos> it was spread over a wide area (the US), sure.
[20:49:14] <requerdanos> It's the significance of the fraud and its organization that is in dispute.
[20:49:18] <carny> in georgia 138,029 requested ballots were not received and a full 1/3 of those respondants said they returned them
[20:49:35] <carny> well above the 'margin of victory'
[20:49:54] <requerdanos> Putting us back to: if you give--and this is not a thing, but--if you give trump georgia and arizona, that's no better than giving him puerto rico and the us virgin islands. sesame street skills.
[20:50:12] <carny> i don't understand your confusion here
[20:50:41] <requerdanos> I am in fact not confused. None of this is confusing to me, though I agree the topics are more complex than your average sesame street lesson.
[20:50:44] <carny> these same behaviors are found in az ga mi pa and wi
[20:50:57] <requerdanos> If a ballot is "not returned", there is no data to indicate it is fraudulent.
[20:51:04] <carny> that is far more than enough to change the outcome
[20:51:11] <requerdanos> *would have been
[20:51:18] <requerdanos> had the ballots been returned, which they weren't.
[20:51:24] <carny> it absolutely is if you call each voter and they tell you 'yes i did return my ballot'
[20:51:35] <carny> that means their vote was surpressed
[20:52:05] <requerdanos> That is a possible interpretation. What did any investigation show?
[20:52:06] <carny> in the case of pennsylvania the vip was even able to pull out just the registered republican votes
[20:52:57] <carny> and there the 27.1% representative sample of the 165,412 republican voters indicate that they were surpressed
[20:53:15] <carny> again plenty of votes to overturn the results
[20:53:38] <carny> i don't see how you can still be unsure of 'What did any investigation show?'
[20:53:55] <carny> people have been discussing this since 6am on nov 4th
[20:54:12] <requerdanos> Yeah, it's been ongoing for a while, that's for sure.
[20:54:28] <carny> the only way you can say you don't know what the investigation shows is if you have a vested interest in upholding the cheating
[20:54:46] <carny> in which case i suggest you do your best to remain anonymous
[20:54:49] <requerdanos> There are other explanations for that as well, actually.
[20:55:09] <carny> because there may very well be punishment for supporters of such activities
[20:55:27] <requerdanos> I don't like Trump, but I certainly would not say outright that we would be better off with Joe Biden as president
[20:55:29] <carny> the burden of proof is on you to provide not only 'explantions' but actual evidence
[20:55:53] <carny> i don't care about your preference and neither would the maga mob if it comes to your door
[20:56:24] <carny> the people you are supporting by amplifying their lies and misdirection are likely to pay dearly for this cheating
[20:56:39] <carny> every day it becomes more likely
[20:57:21] <carny> you should be aware of that given the mountain of evidence already presented
[20:57:47] <carny> fyi this vip presentation by mr braynard is from nov 24th
[20:57:54] <carny> this is not breaking news
[20:58:21] <requerdanos> as far as I can tell, we both see fraud and "cheating"; you see more of it that I see, and call allegations and stastical anomalies a "mountain of evidence" whereas I would like to see where those things lead rather than say "oh, obviously it is what I think it is, no question." I have bad luck with that "obviously" explanation.
[20:58:47] <carny> what's news is that his suit has now been filed in georgia and will result in either an overturning of the results (and a redo of the election or a flipping of the winner) or we can expect an uprising there
[20:59:10] <carny> 'come on man'
[20:59:21] <carny> don't play dumb
[21:00:07] <requerdanos> the thing about these suits, is that during them, evidence has to be presented before a judge and/or jury, and these suits have generally fallen apart at that stage. Liberal nut-judges, Trump Appointed Trumpster judges, same outcome.
[21:00:12] <carny> you can't say that surveillance video of suitcases of ballots being pulled out from underneath tables after poll watchers are sent home is anything other than the complete destruction of the validity of an election
[21:00:30] <carny> if that's not a mountain of evidence all by itself i don't know what else to tell you
[21:00:37] <carny> good luck surviving the purge
[21:00:39] <requerdanos> I am not saying that *this* suit isn't "the one" that will hold up, just observing how they are going.
[21:01:04] <carny> as far as i can tell zero legitimate suits have been ended
[21:01:12] <requerdanos> What did an investigation of that video find? honest question
[21:01:37] <carny> a number of suits that lacked standing have been rightly thrown out but that does not count a single suite from guiliani for example
[21:02:06] <carny> funny you should ask that
[21:02:18] <requerdanos> https://www.washingtonpost.com
[21:02:27] <systemd> ^ 03Judges turn back claims by Trump and his allies in six states as the president’s legal effort founders
[21:02:28] <carny> i don't believe the usdoj or whatever georgia has have even bothered to investigate it
[21:02:47] <carny> show me which suite has not been successfully appealed
[21:02:50] <carny> suit
[21:02:56] <requerdanos> Did they give any reason? The footage is indeed disturbing.
[21:03:13] <carny> the footage is disqualifying until proven false
[21:03:18] <carny> that's how elections work
[21:03:26] <carny> i don't know why i have to keep repeating this
[21:03:34] <requerdanos> We were talking about what happened at the evidence part of the suit, evidence doesn't get to be added on appeal.
[21:03:40] <carny> all elections are fraudulent unless proven fair
[21:03:54] <carny> they are proven fair with witnesses and an unbroken chain of custody
[21:04:15] <requerdanos> ... and having no witnesses and a broken chain of custody is an election-killer, yes.
[21:04:29] <carny> if evidence is excluded by an activist judge that alone is not only grounds for appeal it sufficient for reversal
[21:04:42] <carny> again you're either misinformed of arguing in bad faith
[21:04:56] <carny> and i haven't seen anything to indicate the former over the latter
[21:05:31] <requerdanos> Another thing about your arguments is that you assume a lot about me, and take it as true, which causes me concern about what else you might be simply assuming and taking as true.
[21:05:33] <carny> georgia kicked out all the republican and most of the democrat witnesses just prior to the emergence of the suicases
[21:05:50] <requerdanos> That's not a personal issue, just an observation to take into account.
[21:06:07] <carny> i assume that you are a shill based on your false and misleading statements and disingenuous arguments
[21:06:44] <carny> i analyze facts whereas you seem focused on denying them and providing none in return
[21:06:45] <requerdanos> yes, and earlier you assumed that I was allied with the massive conspiracy forces seeking to thwart the election, which is rather silly
[21:07:00] <carny> you have given me no reason to judge otherwise
[21:07:30] <requerdanos> Well, except that the fact is I'm not aligned with the conspiracy, and if there is one, I want it blown open.
[21:07:42] <carny> normally i'd simply classify you as a low value source and leave it at that but the sheer volume of disinformation has forced me to filter far more than i prefer to
[21:08:16] <requerdanos> Well, I'll come clean and be candid.
[21:08:19] <carny> i've been caught off guard too many times by disinfo efforts in recent weeks and frankly i'm angry about that
[21:08:50] <carny> so obvious adversarial spooks are going straight into the trash now
[21:09:28] <requerdanos> I am concerned that there may be more fraud than I have suspected, and I have been seeking out people to explain it.
[21:09:54] <carny> well you can start with that bitchute video i linked
[21:10:09] <requerdanos> The people who are rational and conversant, for what ever reason, don't seem to have information about fraud, and that's not helpful.
[21:10:36] <carny> see when you say things like that i don't trust you
[21:10:56] <requerdanos> The people who "know all about" the fraud are generally asses who assume I am the enemy of the state when I don't pretend to agree with them more than I actually do
[21:10:56] <carny> because either you've got your fingers in your ears or you're a forum sliding troll
[21:11:08] <carny> again see nov 4th at 6am
[21:11:40] <requerdanos> okay. you said you had the link for that video?
[21:12:16] <carny> some background here https://www.bitchute.com
[21:12:17] <systemd> ^ 03Voter Integrity Project - Findings and Conclusions by Matt Braynard
[21:14:17] <carny> the low activity analysis at 12 minutes in is particularly interesting
[21:14:41] <carny> that's a very precise subset he's working with
[21:16:30] <carny> i hope he revisits those voters with a more concerted effort at reaching them because a larger sample size of responses is both necessary and i think potentially significant
[21:28:38] <carny> 169,282 highly suspect 'involuntarily confined' ballots in wisconsin this year
[21:29:14] <carny> typical year should be 3000 or so
[21:29:33] <carny> several times the 'margin of victory' in wisconin
[21:29:49] <carny> how many states has biden lost so far?
[21:29:57] <requerdanos> That may be mostly because it's been a weird year.
[21:30:15] <carny> covid was not a valid excuse for ic designation in wisconsin
[21:30:21] <requerdanos> Even so.
[21:30:37] <carny> note that ic status is the only way to vote that requires absolutely no id
[21:31:18] <requerdanos> yeesh, my state doesn't require id to vote. You just go and recite a name and address, and it's off to the polls
[21:31:44] <carny> that needs to change immediately if we have any hope of avoiding a civil war
[21:31:45] <requerdanos> no-id voting just doesn't seem like a good idea to me, I dunno
[21:32:03] <carny> if they try to do it in georgia i expect immediate violence
[21:35:54] <Bytram> =w "Matt Braynard"
[21:35:55] <systemd> with members Trump's family to discuss campaign strategy. In 2017, Matt Braynard, a key member of Trump's 2016 campaign staff, established the organization - https://en.wikipedia.org
[21:36:19] <Bytram> Impartial observer?
[22:53:56] <c0lo> Need more cull of covidiots in Georgia, they still have 5% room in ICU and a barely supraunitary infection rate https://covidactnow.org
[22:53:57] <systemd> ^ 03America’s COVID warning system.
[22:54:21] <c0lo> I know! Lets organize a rally today.
[23:03:42] <c0lo> Awww. Disappointing. Eyeballing barely 2000 covidiots so far https://twitter.com
[23:03:43] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter ( https://mobile.twitter.com )