#US_Election | Logs for 2020-12-03
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[00:52:47] <carny> https://www.youtube.com
[00:52:49] <systemd> ^ 03President TRUMP Releases Speech Outlining Election Fraud 12/2/20
[00:53:48] <requerdanos> Trump's "outline" of "election fraud" doesn't sound that interesting
[00:54:25] <carny> typical leftie behavior not to ever expose themselves to information they don't like
[00:55:50] <requerdanos> reruns not sounding interesting probably isn't a great indicator of political spectrum direction, but okay
[01:14:13] <c0lo> Karma, carny. Trump and his team lied too many times in the past, even in the recent past.
[01:26:22] <carny> 'biden people sent a whole army of lawyers out to arizona to prevent those depositions'
[01:26:37] <carny> that's completely normal behavior and not suspicious at all
[01:26:54] <carny> preventing witnessess from giving testimony?
[01:27:02] <carny> innocent people do that all the time
[01:31:09] <c0lo> Have you checked those lawyers? Maybe they are from GOP and are doing their best to mitigate the risks raising against a red senate. https://www.forbes.com
[01:31:10] <systemd> ^ 03Trump’s Allies Can’t Decide Whether To Boycott Georgia’s Runoff Elections
[01:48:44] <c0lo> https://www.forbes.com
[01:48:46] <systemd> ^ 03Trump’s Deutsche Bank Loans Appear To Be In Trouble
[02:31:09] <c0lo> https://www.washingtonexaminer.com
[02:31:10] <systemd> ^ 03Ivanka Trump deposed by DC attorney general's office in Trump inauguration funds lawsuit
[02:37:08] <c0lo> https://www.reuters.com
[02:37:09] <systemd> ^ 03Trump family urges U.S. appeals court to move marketing scam lawsuit to arbitration
[07:53:40] <FatPhil> carny: put your binary brain away, it's single pointy corner is showing. You are confusing "not all" with "none".
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[14:03:34] <Bytram> FatPhil: s/'//
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[15:05:36] <FatPhil> https://mobile.twitter.com
[15:05:38] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter
[15:06:04] <FatPhil> pretty much zero content
[15:09:47] <requerdanos> zero evidence of "massive, massive fraud" at any rate
[15:16:35] <FatPhil> Yeah, but why would you believe an idiot like Barr on a matter like that?
[15:17:09] <FatPhil> As I brit I ought to say "AG Barr", and then laugh.
[15:17:46] <requerdanos> I am not sure the content of Trump's statements depend on "an idiot like Barr"
[15:32:45] <c0lo> Nice defence bill you have here, would be a shame something wrong to happen to it https://mobile.twitter.com
[15:32:47] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter
[15:39:10] <c0lo> Heh, here's John... ummm... the Oopsie moment: https://mobile.twitter.com
[15:39:11] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter
[15:45:27] <c0lo> Voter fraud in GA https://www.rawstory.com
[15:45:28] <systemd> ^ 03Florida attorney busted for voter fraud in Georgia
[16:47:43] <c0lo> Fraud witness sees dead people https://www.thedailybeast.com
[16:47:44] <systemd> ^ 03Trump ‘Fraud’ Witness Also Believes Ghosts Are Haunting His Family ( https://www.thedailybeast.com )
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[18:20:35] <carny> https://www.youtube.com
[18:20:37] <systemd> ^ 03Rudy Giuliani, Witnesses Testify at Michigan House Oversight Committee 12/2/20
[20:28:26] <requerdanos> Fraud witness "sees dead people vote" would be interesting.
[20:42:02] <Runaway1956> https://www.thegatewaypundit.com
[20:42:03] <systemd> ^ 03WHERE'S BILL BARR? -- We Got Your Voter Fraud AG Barr -- It's On Video and They Attempted to Steal Georgia with It! -- HOW ABOUT A FEW ARRESTS?
[20:47:30] <Runaway1956> https://www.thegatewaypundit.com
[20:47:31] <systemd> ^ 03BOOM: President Trump Is On Target In Wisconsin - Ballots Identified in Pristine Condition Similar to Fraudulent Ballots in Georgia and Michigan
[20:50:53] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.zerohedge.com
[20:50:55] <systemd> Submitting "DOJ Sues Facebook For Discriminating Against US Workers, Reserving Jobs For H1-B Workers"...
[20:51:17] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03DOJ Sues Facebook for Discriminating Against US Workers, Reserving Jobs for H1-B Workers" (5 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[20:53:24] <Bytram> Runaway1956: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com "Editorially, The Gateway Pundit espouses politically conservative world view that support conservative positions on most issues, including abortion, national defense, small government, second amendment rights, tax policy, individual freedom and Constitutional values."
[20:53:24] <systemd> ^ 03About - The Gateway Pundit
[20:54:09] <Bytram> To repeat: ""Editorially, The Gateway Pundit espouses politically conservative world view that support conservative positions on most issues, "
[20:54:22] <chromas> at least they admit their bias ;)
[20:54:33] <Bytram> I would not consider that to be an impartial or trusted source.
[20:55:25] <Bytram> If you go looking for it, in the lavatory, beware of leopard, ..
[20:56:15] <chromas> So does that invalidate the video, or
[20:56:51] <Bytram> yes
[20:58:56] * chromas constructs a list of unbiased news sources:
[21:02:03] <requerdanos> This would be super-funny were it not a real thing: https://www.snopes.com
[21:02:06] <systemd> ^ 03Could Write-In Ballots for Trump in Georgia Runoffs Elect Him to US Senate?
[21:02:18] <chromas> > snopes
[21:03:25] <requerdanos> "snopes" is your list of unbiased news sources?
[21:03:26] <pinchy> Bidump is the winnar
[21:03:46] <chromas> ooh, Triden
[21:03:52] <chromas> good hybrid
[21:04:10] <Bytram> Triden True?
[21:04:18] <Bytram> :D
[21:04:34] <chromas> Grab 'em by the Sniffer
[21:19:48] <requerdanos> all sources have their biases. however, not all biases are of equal weight.
[21:20:07] <requerdanos> some might be figuratively measured in grams, others tons
[21:22:02] <Bytram> =g Asimov not even wrong
[21:22:03] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Wronger than wrong - Wikipedia
[21:22:39] <requerdanos> Sometimes people who like those "alternative" news sources like to say "ah, the bias doesn't matter, all sources are biased, anyway the following nutty thing is totally right..."
[21:23:04] <requerdanos> especially when their source is almost all bias and no news
[21:23:25] <Bytram> Earth is not flat. Earth is not round. One is NOT just as wrong as the other.
[21:23:47] <requerdanos> effective example.
[21:24:07] <Bytram> selection bias -- select your preferred bias!!
[21:24:19] <chromas> Earth is not flat. Earth is a social construct.
[21:24:23] <Bytram> credit goes to Isaac Asimov for that one
[21:25:00] <Bytram> What I *am* sure of is that it is time for a nap.
[21:25:03] <requerdanos> Earth is a physical substance, a planet, a place, many things.
[21:25:49] <chromas> Hah, I bet you believe in the moon, too!
[21:27:03] <Bytram> chromas: s/he/he man /
[21:27:09] <requerdanos> The moon is a physical substance, a celestial body, a place, a social construct, many things.
[21:27:37] <Bytram> and, for realz, to bed I go. Laters!
[21:27:42] <requerdanos> peace.
[21:27:53] <chromas> it's really just a holographic reflection in the earth's atmosphere
[21:27:57] <Bytram> mare sea
[21:28:22] <requerdanos> for some, "the moon" is the small flashlight that the great unknown shines upon the disc of the "earth"
[21:28:30] <chromas> no seahorse; only birdnap
[21:28:37] <requerdanos> as opposed to the larger flashlight, "the sun"
[21:28:51] <chromas> the sun is a fleshlight
[21:29:10] <requerdanos> sources that say that are biased, sure, but hey, all sources are biased, amirite?
[21:29:49] <chromas> source that are really biased wouldn't tell you they were
[21:29:58] <chromas> they'd just say reality has the same bias
[21:30:13] <requerdanos> so, what, physicists?
[21:30:59] <chromas> physicists aren't sources; they're pdf generators
[21:31:18] <requerdanos> have an obligatory xkcd? https://xkcd.com
[21:31:19] <systemd> ^ 03Purity
[21:32:11] <chromas> Cropped off the right is another stick person labeled "mental masturbation"
[21:32:23] <requerdanos> actually, that's the mouseover text
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[22:29:29] <FatPhil> requerdanos: we have the answer!
[22:29:39] <FatPhil> eye-to-eye is possible
[22:30:34] <FatPhil> g/f & I just touched eyeballs
[22:30:41] <FatPhil> It's possible
[22:30:51] <FatPhil> difficult, but possible
[22:32:33] <FatPhil> we do this thingfor your entertainment
[22:32:44] <FatPhil> It was hard to achieve
[22:41:21] <pinchy> butterfly kissing gone wrong?
[22:44:08] <carny> there is no evidence of widespread voter fraud
[22:44:14] <carny> trump is just making things up
[22:44:40] <carny> but there are 17327 votes in michigan cast by dead people who have obituaries
[22:44:47] <carny> oops
[22:45:03] <carny> remind me again how many votes joe biden 'won' michigan by?
[22:45:27] <requerdanos> hey, I'd like to read about those dead people votes
[22:57:40] <requerdanos> FatPhil, I thought we agreed the eye-to-eye thing was bad?
[23:00:39] <carny> https://www.youtube.com
[23:00:41] <systemd> ^ 03Whistleblowers reveal USPS allegedly responsible for tampering with hundreds of thousands of ballots
[23:01:25] <carny> https://www.youtube.com
[23:01:27] <systemd> ^ 03The power of private citizens in fight for election
[23:02:04] <carny> disenfranchise 70-80 million well armed americans and bad things will happen
[23:05:43] <requerdanos> Actually, I suspect just saying over and over that they were disenfranchised might be enough
[23:11:37] <requerdanos> hey, I'd like to read about those dead people votes
[23:16:55] <carny> https://twitter.com
[23:16:56] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter ( https://mobile.twitter.com )
[23:18:01] <carny> https://twitter.com
[23:18:02] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter ( https://mobile.twitter.com )
[23:18:13] <carny> marxists will yawn and not care
[23:18:40] <carny> people who care about reforming corrupt systems will do something about it
[23:19:45] <requerdanos> No, not some idiot saying that some other idiot said it; I was more interested in reading about the ballots
[23:20:02] <requerdanos> Three idiots deep is not my preferred evidence examining distance
[23:21:05] <carny> i should probably archive the michigan public hearing too
[23:21:45] <carny> twitter banned the spreadsheet guy in arizona before he had even finished his testimony and gotten to the q&a bit
[23:23:24] <requerdanos> Do you have a source that isn't a self-professed "MAGA Trump Train Artist"? I'd like to compare the viewpoints from which the ideas are presented
[23:30:08] <chromas> nonsense, carny. if the usps was being used to manipulate the election we would've had media all over it
[23:30:20] <chromas> like this but for realzies https://www.theguardian.com
[23:30:22] <systemd> ^ 03Trump admits he is undermining USPS to make it harder to vote by mail
[23:30:26] <carny> i belive project veritas was ;]
[23:30:42] <carny> lol
[23:31:15] <chromas> see, when Trump does it then it's real
[23:31:19] <carny> the best part of that 'argument' was when the marxists realized that the reason the usps was removing mailboxes from public areas was that they were in black parts of town
[23:31:24] <chromas> but when it's against him then it's fake news
[23:31:36] <carny> and they were vandalized and stolen from so often that the usps had no choice but remove them
[23:31:46] <carny> so they were being racist by pointing it out
[23:31:49] <carny> oops
[23:32:41] <chromas> that's the same thing that happened with putting hair and other products behind locked acrylic in stores
[23:33:01] <chromas> "it's racist because it only happens in high crime areas"
[23:33:58] <carny> more in michigan https://justthenews.com
[23:33:59] <systemd> ^ 03Dominion contractor at Detroit counting center says thousands of ballots were scanned multiple times
[23:34:33] <carny> i guess a dominion voting systems contractor doesn't count because they must be a trump maga moron
[23:35:24] <requerdanos> nod. "She testified next to Rudy Giuliani, the personal attorney to President Trump"
[23:36:07] <chromas> he was obviously jabbing a gun into her side from his jacket pocket
[23:36:10] <requerdanos> Convincing evidence corroborating what Trump is saying has to come from "not trump's people" by definition
[23:36:22] <requerdanos> otherwise it's just another iteration of "Trump says"
[23:37:11] <carny> chromas: you can tell what kind of person you're dealing with by their skills at deduction and analysis
[23:37:15] <requerdanos> we already *know* what trump is saying. I would like to see allegations of fraud, dead people voting, "dropsies", what have you, coming from some other direction.
[23:37:27] <carny> leftists don't just accept every 'fact' that they agree with
[23:37:38] <carny> they also fail to understand sources and motivatons
[23:38:07] <requerdanos> failure to understand sources and motivations is a little more widespread than that, I'd say
[23:38:22] <carny> for example christine balsey ford testified against judge kavanaugh at zero risk to herself and was eventually rewarded both financially and with social capital in her circles
[23:38:47] <carny> whereas the people coming forward to expose election fraud have nothing to gain and everything to lose
[23:38:55] <carny> "My life has been destroyed because of this," she replied. "I’ve lost family, I’ve lost friends, I’ve been threatened, my kids have been threatened, I’ve had to move, I’ve had to change my phone number, I’ve had to get rid of social media.
[23:39:26] <carny> but leftists will believe ford instantly because they want what she said to be true
[23:39:52] <chromas> same thing happened with Ahmed Mohamed
[23:39:57] <carny> conversely no ammount of evidence will convince them that there has been efficient and wide spread election fraud
[23:40:22] <carny> is that the guy from that true crime podcast?
[23:40:31] <chromas> the clock kid
[23:40:38] <carny> oh right
[23:40:54] <carny> well that just stank of psyop from the beginning
[23:41:10] <chromas> you'd better believe it or you're an islamophobic racis
[23:41:15] <carny> he did everything but read from a prepared script
[23:41:54] <carny> actually i shouldn't even say that because he probably did rehearse at least some of his dialog ahead of time with his activist father
[23:41:58] <chromas> I wish I could get gibs and job offers for taking stripped junk to school
[23:42:26] <carny> take apart something electronic and say you made it
[23:42:56] <requerdanos> ford was lying, according to all indications
[23:42:57] <chromas> but I'm not dark enough
[23:43:11] <carny> A Republican poll challenger who also testified Tuesday evening confirmed the legitimacy of Carone's statements. She said that many poll workers didn't appear to understand what to do when ballot tabulators became jammed.
[23:43:23] <carny> On Nov. 13, a Michigan judge wrote that Carone's account of the events that transpired at the TCF Center on Election Day "does not square with any of the other affidavits."
[23:43:44] <carny> add one more judge to the list of traitors who will fare very badly in a civil war
[23:47:05] <requerdanos> disagrees with Trump, prefers evidence to allegation.
[23:51:29] <requerdanos> as opposed to "agreed with Trump, thinks allegations are evidence"
[23:53:05] <requerdanos> This kind of thinking is causing problems in Georgia
[23:54:04] <requerdanos> Republicans who disagree with Trump/prefer evidence to allegation are being labeled "Crooked" and "Traitors", nonsense which may well cost the Republicans their senate majority
[23:59:42] <carny> https://justthenews.com
[23:59:42] <systemd> ^ 03Trump legal team: Georgia video footage depicts poll workers with 'suitcases filled with ballots'