#US_Election | Logs for 2020-11-06
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[00:01:55] <tedious> https://twitter.com
[00:02:09] <tedious> Wow her latest thread is incredible.
[00:15:34] <FatPhil> "Don’t say socialism ever again"
[00:15:56] <FatPhil> Maybe they should run that idea up the flagpole, and see who salutes?
[00:16:18] <FatPhil> And then send The Squad to the firing squad?
[00:17:20] <FatPhil> Klassichick >> Occasional-Cortex, IMHO
[00:17:34] <FatPhil> Assuming you can work out to whom I am referring
[00:17:39] <FatPhil> nd even if you can't.
[00:17:42] <FatPhil> +A
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[00:49:38] <Bytram> https://edition.cnn.com
[00:49:56] <Bytram> =titles on
[00:50:00] <Bytram> =title on
[00:51:06] <Bytram> ^^^ Trump's lead has dramatically narrowed in Georgia as Biden also gains on the President in Pennsylvania
[00:54:43] <FatPhil> ballot machine go brrrrrrr!!!!
[00:55:36] * FatPhil stokes...
[01:14:22] <Bytram> https://www.edition.cnn.com
[01:14:28] <Bytram> ^^ Trump stages corrosive attempt to undermine votes as his path to 270 evaporates
[01:15:58] * Bytram is reminded of a child who is building up to throw a tantrum 'cause he's not getting what he wanted
[01:19:56] <FatPhil> https://www.zerohedge.com
[01:23:02] <FatPhil> that CNN article shows it's all according to plan: http://www.alt-market.com
[01:36:01] <tedious> If this keeps up I don't think we're going to be able to avoid a civil war. :(
[02:51:26] <tedious> FatPhil: Did you see the Project Veritas videos of whistleblowers at post offices talking about back dating ballots?
[02:51:52] <tedious> Wasn't someone here living in Erie Pennsylvania?
[03:14:46] <pinchy> ok its blah blah oclock, time to ask: WHO DA WINNAR?
[03:28:15] <Bytram> pinchy: we don't know, yet. Some states are still counting. For the latest info, check out the links in the .topic for this channel.
[03:28:54] <pinchy> hah i got a feeling im gonna be asking this smae qeustion for a loong time
[03:29:23] <Bytram> Prolly won't know until Fri/Sat. And even then, it is still subject to recounts and court challenges.
[03:30:25] <Bytram> If it's any comfort, I think you and I are the only ones still waiting and wondering <wink>
[05:18:01] <chromas> =enable titles
[05:18:01] <systemd> k
[05:31:21] <Bytram> wheretp? https://fivethirtyeight.com
[05:31:22] <systemd> ^ 032020 Election: Live Results And Coverage
[05:31:27] <Bytram> :D
[05:31:35] <Bytram> chromas++ thank you!
[05:39:14] <tedious> How many states are being "called" but also have to do recounts or lawsuits?
[05:40:02] <tedious> I think these numbers are silly if they're counting states that will be going through the courts.
[05:40:56] <tedious> Maybe it's for the best if we don't have an answer for awhile and people calm down instead of immediately rioting.
[05:45:06] <Bytram> tedious: In most cases, recounts affect a tiny percentage of the cases... if you're behind and the potential win looks lucrative enough... might be worth taking the [longshot] chance.
[05:47:03] <Bytram> As for "calling it" if there are, say, 100,000 votes left to count, and one candidate is ahead by, say, 70,000 votes -- what are the odds that the votes will suddenly change from 50/50 to 70/30?
[05:48:58] <Bytram> OTOH, if there are 100,000 votes to count, and the difference is 20,000 votes... it *could* go either way, so here is a reluctance to "call it".
[05:50:29] <Bytram> "Call it", of course, is just a *projection*! What really matters, is: "When the *counting* is *complete*, who has the most votes?"
[06:04:29] <tedious> Ok but I don't think people are calling for recounts because they think there are some ballot scanner problems.
[06:05:15] <tedious> It's because there are tons of reports of fraud and things like election monitors being kept out against the laws.
[06:05:40] <tedious> That's why there are protests on both sides now.
[06:06:22] <Bytram> each state gets to establish how the votes are collected and counted -- and a state may leave it to each county to decide what they want to do. Scanner, paper/pen, levers, electronic, etc.
[06:07:23] <Bytram> Also, questions (valid or not) can be raised wrt any number of things. Chain of custody of ballots, for example.
[06:08:24] <Bytram> Any observed activities that could potentially be considered improper.
[06:09:33] <Bytram> cost/benefit analysis. The main winners? Probably the lawyers.
[06:10:07] <Bytram> and, with that, it is late. I need to be up in less than 6 hours.
[06:10:19] <Bytram> have a good night everybody!
[06:14:19] <pinchy> https://cdn.discordapp.com
[06:30:27] <tedious> Nevada GOP referred 3062 cases of voter fraud to the DOJ for prosecution.
[06:31:11] <tedious> That's not enough for a major swing of results but it could just be the tip of the iceberg.
[06:31:48] <tedious> If they find alot more that will put Nevada results into the hands of the courts too.
[06:40:47] <Runaway1956> https://sputniknews.com
[06:40:51] <systemd> ^ 03USPS Worker Arrested for 'Mail Stealing' After 800 Pieces of Post and Ballots Found in His Trunk
[06:47:32] <Runaway1956> https://www.oann.com
[06:47:34] <systemd> ^ 03U.S. Postal Service says 1,700 ballots found in Pennsylvania facilities ( https://www.oann.com )
[07:11:56] <Runaway1956> *yawn*
[07:12:37] <Runaway1956> watching USAWatchdog - until he starts quoting scripture to make his political points . . .
[07:14:31] <Runaway1956> his best point is, "How can Biden win the popular vote when he can't get a dozen supporters to a rally?"
[07:15:00] <FatPhil> disbelief is not proof
[07:15:53] <Runaway1956> dinna say it was, lol
[07:16:16] <Runaway1956> it is still a point
[07:19:49] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.firstpost.com
[07:19:50] <tedious> It's the emotional arguments that are going to carry people over the edge into violence. :(
[07:19:51] <systemd> Submitting "New mineral in Moon meteorite discovered by researchers, dubbed Downwilhelmsite- Technology News, Firstpost"...
[07:20:13] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08New Mineral in Moon Meteorite Discovered by Researchers, Dubbed Downwilhelmsite- Technology News, Fi" (6 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[07:20:55] <Runaway1956> I've lost count of the ballots "found" after mail carriers "lost" them - in dumpsters, or whatever.
[07:23:09] <tedious> That's why I don't think the Trump people are going to accept anything other than 4 more years.
[07:23:38] <tedious> There have been too many sketchy things like that happening all over the place.
[07:24:37] <FatPhil> tedious - yup - I even posted the links to the vids here!
[07:24:41] <Runaway1956> Another thing that puzzles me is - how is Biden doing so well, when Dem Senators have made almost no gains, and the House has lost Dem seats?
[07:25:11] <Runaway1956> Did a bunch of fraud voters just mark Biden, and skip over all the rest of the ballot?
[07:25:32] <tedious> Runaway1956: I saw a screencap of a huge difference between presidential votes and senate votes in the same district.
[07:26:08] <Runaway1956> Anyone who has ever eperienced writer's cramp can see why frauds might start marking the top race, and neglect the rest.
[07:26:09] <tedious> So it looks like there are hundreds of thousands or millions of ballots that are only marked X for President and nothing else.
[07:26:38] <tedious> Did you see the "camera 7" video of the woman filling out a blank ballot in PA?
[07:26:54] <Runaway1956> No - let me search for that
[07:27:13] <tedious> It was all over Twitter recently but I don't remember who found it.
[07:27:42] <tedious> @CassandraRules probably has it.
[07:30:40] <Runaway1956> UPDATE– Here’s the explanation– Via Citizen Free Press — This is a ballot that can’t be read by the machine so someone reads the votes to a second person fills in the ballot.
[07:31:13] <Runaway1956> That sounds like bullshit - you don't need a new physical ballot to count a poorly legible ballot
[07:31:33] <Runaway1956> it it's "illegible" then you can't read it to even make a new ballot
[07:32:30] <FatPhil> tedious - the differences between pres and senate vote counts was way smaller than the predicted difference according to polling before the election.
[07:34:04] <FatPhil> 1% rather than a predicted 4%. The predicted 4%, however, was a misinterpretation of the data, and I'd conclude closer to 2% from the same data. Therefore the differences are exactly within bounds you'd expect.
[07:34:38] <FatPhil> except in massively monochrome states, where attempted fraud makes no sense.
[07:35:20] <FatPhil> I.e. another nothingburger, from the evidence I've seen so far.
[07:35:57] <FatPhil> However, idiots who don't have the mental capacity to think it through logically will get in a paranoid flap and fuss.
[07:36:25] <tedious> I don't think anybody's going to trust polls ever again after this.
[07:36:52] <tedious> They were just so wrong for 2 elections in a row.
[07:37:32] <FatPhil> noone should ever have trusted national polls, as that's not how the election works, you're measuring the wrong thing.
[07:39:27] <Runaway1956> The real thing about polls in general is, they've stopped measuring public opinion, and changed to trying to shape public opinion
[07:39:28] <FatPhil> GA lead down to 1267
[07:40:14] <FatPhil> well, the pollsters aren't responsible for how their commissioners use the data.
[07:40:55] <FatPhil> so blaim MSM. https://www.youtube.com
[07:40:58] <systemd> ^ 03Election 2020: Pie's prediction.
[07:50:59] <Runaway1956> LOL @ Jonathan Pie - he can just "feel it" in his gut
[07:51:28] <Runaway1956> I kinda "felt it" last time, I don't this time
[08:04:03] * Runaway1956 misses the day when there were two ingredients in peanut butter
[08:04:08] <Runaway1956> peanuts and salt
[08:04:14] <pinchy> whats it now?
[08:04:21] <pinchy> bunch of soybean oil?
[08:05:11] <pinchy> hydrogenated palm oil. with extra heart hardener
[08:05:13] <Runaway1956> peanuts, vegetable oil, sugar, salt, mollases
[08:05:35] <Runaway1956> rapeseed and/or cottonseed oil
[08:06:00] <pinchy> I think ive seen the old school kind thats runny that you have to mix. it has a layer of oil on top
[08:06:16] <Runaway1956> wife bought some namebrand a few months ago, had an additional 5 or 6 ingredients in it
[08:06:24] <pinchy> it runs a lot even after u mix it
[08:06:26] <FatPhil> sugar + salt = max addictiveness!
[08:06:29] <Runaway1956> this is Brookshire brand that I just opened
[08:07:00] * Runaway1956 grew up on peanut butter with peanut oil floating on top
[08:07:26] <pinchy> hah i read somewhere that some plain white bread had to get rebranded as confectionary since it contains so much sugar
[08:07:32] <Runaway1956> much as I bitch, I still like my PB&J sammiches
[08:07:54] <FatPhil> there is something nice about the things made from nuts/seeds having that layer of natural oil sitting on top.
[08:07:58] <pinchy> ive heard people from overseas talk about how the bread is so sweet its like eating cake
[08:08:37] <FatPhil> tahine being the classic example, that's one oily mofo.
[08:09:00] * FatPhil wants hummus now
[08:09:23] <Runaway1956> hummus pummus - it's alright, but doesn't make my "love it" list
[08:10:27] <pinchy> ive just been eating roasted peanuts unsalted.
[08:11:00] <Runaway1956> spreading roasted peanuts on crackers tends to break the crackers up
[08:12:34] <Runaway1956> More Saing Greta news - skipping it . . .
[08:15:55] <Runaway1956> interesting stolen election story
[08:16:01] <Runaway1956> https://www.zerohedge.com
[08:16:03] <systemd> ^ 03Don't Forget LBJ's Election Theft
[08:20:28] <Runaway1956> One weird trick can get you a full belly in no time!
[08:20:32] <Runaway1956> https://www.cnet.com
[08:20:36] <systemd> ^ 03Weird, extinct amphibian had a rapid-fire 'slingshot' tongue ( https://www.cnet.com )
[08:27:42] <Runaway1956> =submit https://reclaimthenet.org
[08:27:44] <systemd> Submitting "Michigan votes to require warrants for police to seize and search digital devices"...
[08:28:06] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Michigan Votes to Require Warrants for Police to Seize and Search Digital Devices" (11 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:33:00] <FatPhil> I think I'm calling GA for the Dems already.
[08:33:28] <FatPhil> I expect the final tally to be at least 10k in their favour.
[08:33:35] <FatPhil> Recount expected, of course.
[08:33:39] <FatPhil> Lynchings later.
[08:42:57] <tedious> :(
[08:43:38] <tedious> The Republicans won so many other races that Biden should just concede and save us all the coming bloodshed.
[09:34:12] <FatPhil> idk whats taking so long in 'murica, are you slow at maths?
[09:34:22] <FatPhil> In soviet russia we knew the results before poll stations were closed.
[09:46:48] <FatPhil> and Biden leads in Georgia
[09:48:16] <FatPhil> Fun fact - the last time the republicans were voted out of office after just a single term was in 1888, Harrison - who *also* won his election after losing the popular vote.
[09:49:29] <FatPhil> single terms for the party are very rare, Carter's the only other one since Harrison's times.
[09:50:41] <FatPhil> If you view Harrison's popular loss as a loss for the party, then you have to go back to Taylor in 1848 to find another example.
[09:51:03] <FatPhil> Trump's makin' history!
[09:51:28] <FatPhil> Of course, back in 1848 it wasn't the post-Duverger 2-party system, Taylor was a Whig.
[12:08:25] <FatPhil> Right, that's it, I've had it with you bloody Americans.
[12:08:37] <FatPhil> What's it with this fucking "path to" bullshit!?!!?!?
[12:10:03] <FatPhil> Paths are linear, state declarations of results are utterly non-linear, with none necessarily before or after any other. It's the worst metaphor imaginable.
[12:25:31] <FatPhil> "That is the most powerful person in the world and we see him like an obese turtle on his back flailing in the hot sun realizing his time is over" - anderson coope after trump's tv embarassment
[15:53:02] <pinchy> its friday. who duuuuh winnnar
[15:53:19] * pinchy crawls to the election results
[16:16:00] <Runaway1956> I see no changes pinchy - refreshing pages does nothing at all
[16:23:38] <Runaway1956> https://www.nytimes.com
[16:23:40] <systemd> ^ 03A Big Win for Democrats in California Came With a Gut Check for Liberals
[16:23:41] <Runaway1956> “The results in California show the Democrats that you can go too far,”
[16:29:05] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.scmp.com
[16:29:07] <systemd> Submitting "Malaysian boy, 9, wins Nasa competition with lunar toilet invention"...
[16:29:29] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Malaysian Boy, 9, Wins Nasa Competition With Lunar Toilet Invention" (1 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[18:02:55] <Runaway1956> https://www.zerohedge.com
[18:02:56] <systemd> ^ 03Correia: "F**kery Is Afoot"
[19:16:05] <tedious> @CassandraRules is talking about war and retweting other people talking about ordering military stuff. :(
[19:16:20] <pinchy> what country will biden bomb first?
[19:16:25] <tedious> What happened last night?
[19:17:03] <tedious> pinchy: Small American towns if this goes on. :(
[19:17:36] <tedious> I think I have been so naive and stupid not to see how this was going to turn out.
[19:18:18] <tedious> I kept refusing to take a side because I thought things would work out in the end.
[19:19:07] <tedious> But it looks like the presidency really is going to be stolen this time and Trump's supporters won't be willing to just give up and accept it.
[19:19:39] <pinchy> you aint woke on the JQ?
[19:20:22] <pinchy> if trump is escorted out he will prolly pardon jizzlane
[19:20:37] <pinchy> biden and shitbags come in and start ramping up middle east bullshit
[19:21:14] <pinchy> flu laws, vaccine etc prolly coming either way
[19:24:47] <tedious> I hate to sound like a jerk but I don't care too much about what's going to happen in other countries when our country is on fire.
[19:26:05] <pinchy> on the vaccine, ive heard one speculate that its a pump and dump scheme. sounds like a possibility
[19:27:36] <pinchy> the link to break is the aid to israel. once that falls then the feedback money they use to influence our politics will be broken
[19:28:23] <chromas> That's totally gonna happen any minute now.
[19:31:21] <pinchy> a jewyork minute
[19:35:30] <pinchy> https://cointelegraph.com
[19:35:33] <systemd> ^ 03US Printed More Money in One Month Than in Two Centuries
[19:38:07] <chromas> Fuck yeah, Finna become Venezuela , mang
[20:41:10] <pinchy> https://twitter.com
[20:41:11] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter ( https://mobile.twitter.com )
[20:51:38] <pinchy> https://i.imgur.com
[21:09:58] <pinchy> https://www.independent.co.uk
[21:10:00] <systemd> ^ 03Evacuations underway after bomb threats near Philadelphia vote counting centre
[21:27:25] <pinchy> "election week" instead of "election day"
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[22:22:26] <Runaway1956> https://redstate.com
[22:22:27] <systemd> ^ 03Democrats Aren't Fighting For The Country; They Are Fighting For Their Survival
[23:08:37] <FatPhil> Has SATAN won yet?
[23:29:22] <pinchy> satan 1.0 steps over to bring in satan 2.0
[23:40:31] <chromas> Only releasing .0 versions; he really is evil