#test | Logs for 2021-10-22
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[20:39:22] <Deucalion> .kick joggs
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[20:39:49] -!- mode/#test [+v joggs] by Artemis
[20:39:54] <joggs> HAHAHA
[20:40:10] <Deucalion> .kickban joggs
[20:40:10] -!- mode/#test [+b *!*@amvl26-222-208-04.range40-891.btcentralplus.com] by Artemis
[20:40:10] -!- joggs was kicked from #test by Artemis!Artemis@dodekatheon.olympus.gr [(Deucalion (juggs)) No reason given]
[20:41:48] * Deucalion goes log diving
[20:49:34] <chromas> it's weird that it goes by vhost instead of the part it was told to ban by
[20:50:03] <chromas> Maybe VPNs and proxies didn't exist back the
[21:03:03] <Deucalion> Not really.... .kick should just kick the nick from the channel... they are free to rejoin. It's the warning shot.
[21:03:56] <Deucalion> .kickban could just ban the nick as logically you'd think.
[21:04:04] <Deucalion> shush
[21:05:53] <Deucalion> But you know if you kick ban a nick, the user will just /nick oldnick1 and rejoin. So it bans any nick at the IP.
[21:06:48] <Deucalion> So the user just gets a different IP and rejoins.....
[21:08:58] <Deucalion> For what some people around here seem to want we'd need .kickbanregex 'mymagicregex'!mymagicregex'@* unless foo==February
[21:09:49] <Deucalion> How the fuck do you ban variations on a nick without a horrific hit to false positives?
[21:10:42] <chromas> Well mostly we just want to ban by nick
[21:11:12] <chromas> Don't need all possible variations, but it's more convenient to use .ban instead of /ban I guess
[21:12:36] <Deucalion> .ban joggs
[21:13:02] <chromas> .ban fartcopter
[21:13:02] -!- mode/#test [+b *!*@fartcopter] by Artemis
[21:13:10] <chromas> .unban fartcopter
[21:13:19] <chromas> now that's the really dumb part
[21:13:25] <Deucalion> .unban joggs
[21:13:25] -!- mode/#test [-b *!*@amvl26-222-208-04.range40-891.btcentralplus.com] by Artemis
[21:13:29] <Deucalion> .unban joggs
[21:13:30] <chromas> can't unban the same way you ban
[21:13:48] <chromas> works for thee, but not for me
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[21:14:06] -!- mode/#test [+v joggs] by Artemis
[21:14:07] <chromas> maybe 'cause the nick's not here
[21:14:18] <chromas> .unban *!*@fartcopter
[21:14:18] -!- mode/#test [-b *!*@fartcopter] by Artemis
[21:14:28] <chromas> .ban Bender
[21:14:28] -!- mode/#test [+b *!*@Soylent/BotArmy] by Artemis
[21:14:31] <chromas> .unban Bender
[21:14:31] -!- mode/#test [-b *!*@Soylent/BotArmy] by Artemis
[21:14:49] <Deucalion> Oh wow....
[21:14:55] <chromas> so if the nick's not here, it just uses the parameter as the vhost
[21:15:35] <Deucalion> I hope that is just an obfuscation in the display
[21:15:49] <chromas> for joggs?
[21:15:58] <Deucalion> No...
[21:16:09] <Deucalion> * Artemis sets ban on *!*@Soylent/BotArmy
[21:16:20] <Deucalion> That'd be all our bots gone
[21:17:08] <chromas> .kickban Loggie
[21:17:08] -!- mode/#test [+b *!*@Soylent/BotArmy] by Artemis
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[21:17:57] -!- mode/#test [-o chromas] by chromas
[21:18:01] <Deucalion> So Bytram can look at it after the fact and tell us how we are shit at QA :D
[21:18:26] <chromas> oh yeah
[21:19:37] <Deucalion> OK. So it's fine to pick at how FANTASY is flawed (and I guess that is why many do not use it).... but can we come up with better behaviour......
[21:21:48] <Deucalion> FANTASY is lazy Op that does not want to type out or learn /cs blah blah... they want to just .myitch gone. Much like The right click menus in HexChat... what do they execute?
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[21:24:54] <Deucalion> I'd argue the right click "Operator Actions" menu in Hexchat is more useful than using FANTASY.... lots of options... but again the options need people to understand what al the *!*@host!..... blah means...
[21:28:08] <Deucalion> Which brings me full circle. Lazy ops want a magic red button they can press that makes the "bad" person go away. Life doesn't work like that.
[21:28:31] <chromas> they also probably don't use hexchat
[21:33:51] <Deucalion> Choose any popular GUI IRC client... they all have such menus to clicky on. All equally ineffective in the long run as they all just trade on nick and ip... cos that's how irc works.... until you get into trust... and then we are into crappy for money trust circles.
[21:36:34] <Deucalion> Hey... let's do an irc thing for imposing bans that weights in reputation before a user can speak based on AI.... we can make millions.
[21:38:30] <Deucalion> .....some time later.... I realise I became a fascist sympathiser right at that point in time in hindsight.... I only wish I had known at the time by.... thinking things through as responsible adults should... at least they were expected to back in those days... :/.
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[21:59:28] <chromas> fascism is cool with the anti-fash crowd right now though
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