#staff | Logs for 2014-03-31

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[23:49:50] <prospectacle> Good day
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[23:19:23] <NCommander> audioguy, responded
[23:14:35] <audioguy> check pm
[23:07:10] * NCommander sighs, no one around
[22:59:29] <NCommander> n1, the stories tomorrow are for 04/01 :-)
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[21:12:24] <paulej72> down to 44 open issues.
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[20:38:58] <mechanicjay> xlefay: cool
[20:38:27] <xlefay> mechanicjay, guess what, we've got a response already! "Thanks for checking in. I was just on vacation for a week, and now that I'm back at work there is a bunch of craziness here. In short, I'd still like to be involved but I just don't have the time right now. Hopefully things will settle down for me in the next month or so. "
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[20:35:44] <xlefay> Just e-mailed robin, hopefully he'll check in soon. // mechanicjay :)
[20:35:29] <xlefay> haha :)
[20:34:56] <janrinok> That's the first laugh I've had today - thx
[20:34:35] <xlefay> Probably both :P
[20:33:36] <janrinok> Probably me!
[20:33:16] <janrinok> One or both of us requires some form of psychiatric treatment....
[20:32:51] <janrinok> lol
[20:32:25] <xlefay> just twist it around a bit, would that work?
[20:31:59] <xlefay> janrinok, hmm, a black dress should suffice, call it a black rose!
[20:31:11] <janrinok> xlefay: do with them? Damn, I hadn't thought of that. I suppose I could dress them up and pretend that they are garden ornaments. Might be a bit tricky though, I haven't got a dress big enough for the JW...
[20:29:02] <xlefay> mechanicjay, yes, I'll send him an e-mail just to check in. :)
[20:28:20] <mechanicjay> xlefay: I haven't seen robin in about a week either. I know he'd been busy, but it'd be good to check in with him.
[20:27:37] <Landon> s/submitted/posted
[20:27:34] <Landon> that should be our explanation for not having any stories submitted
[20:27:18] <Landon> :P
[20:27:18] <Landon> janrinok: radio silence... soylentnews is going on the other side of the moon
[20:27:13] <xlefay> janrinok, no doubt, that's their M.O.! What are you planning on doing with them?
[20:26:43] <xlefay> Landon, about 7 days ago, so I just want to check in with him see how things are
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[20:26:23] <janrinok> At least I think that they are some of 'them' - One claimed to be a Jehova's Witness, and the other was trying to read my electricity meter, but I still think that they were suspicious.
[20:26:04] <Landon> oh right, I unloaded that
[20:25:59] <Landon> !seen robind
[20:25:35] <xlefay> Ok, it'll be our secret.
[20:25:06] <janrinok> No I decided to take some of them prisoner. I've got them tied up in my garden. Don't tell anyone....
[20:24:33] <xlefay> I'm good, still here and not been replaced by some secret agent of sorts, how about you?
[20:24:19] <xlefay> janrinok, you're here!!!! I assume, you haven't been taken by 'them' then?
[20:23:59] <janrinok> xlefay: hi, how's things?
[20:23:52] <xlefay> has anyone else heard if robin went on vacation or something like that?
[20:22:32] <xlefay> If not, I'll send robin an e-mail asking how he is and all, just to check in. He wasn't happy with the B stuff like many of us, I'd hate to see him go.
[20:19:32] <xlefay> mechanicjay, ping, have you heard from robin? Is he on vacation or busy with work projects? I haven't seen him in a while
[20:15:44] <janrinok> Just for info - there are NO stories in the submissions list. Its going to get very quiet soon....
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[19:37:15] <janrinok> hi guys
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[18:07:43] <audioguy> Wonder what was enabled in vim to do that.
[18:06:55] <Landon> yeah, thinking about it, that's kind of silly behavior, _even_ if it does recognize it as email
[18:05:48] <audioguy> That is odd, if so.
[18:05:34] <audioguy> even on what you typed?
[18:05:14] <audioguy> We'll know for sure when I hit the next step. But I am preety sure I tested that particular thing way back, and it worked.
[18:04:44] <Landon> vim automagically inserted that >
[18:04:38] <Landon> hopefully it does
[18:04:18] <Landon> audioguy: indeed
[18:03:35] <audioguy> It looks like you added an unnecessary angle bracket, but in theory that should stilll go through fine.
[18:03:01] <xlefay> imma bbl. have fun
[18:03:01] <audioguy> Landon: you meant to add 'We should pick a geeky, but not technical name' ?
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[18:01:50] <mechanicjay|lunch> xlefay: truth
[18:01:47] <xlefay> alrighty, take care MJ, enjoy lunch! :)
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[18:01:39] <xlefay> yeah.. 40 day quarantine, to protect the owner....... rip off the owner is more like it
[18:01:33] <mechanicjay> alright, lunch, talk to you gents later.
[18:01:16] <mechanicjay> xlefay: been there! it sucks.
[18:00:39] <xlefay> got the reply, thanks, I'll set you in the notification list when I've got every service in ;)
[17:59:39] <xlefay> unfortunately.. I've "temporarily" lost my domain because of a technicality of sorts which angers me quite a bit so needless to say, my domain expired and is in quarantine before I can get it back without paying 100 bloody euros, I'll spare you the details
[17:58:46] <audioguy> Landon: - I will know for sure this evening when the next phase goes ot, but can have a llok now... hold on...
[17:58:21] <xlefay> yeah.. mail it to xlefay@soylentnews.org
[17:58:15] <mechanicjay> xander@
[17:58:11] <xlefay> xander@ or xlefay@?
[17:58:05] <xlefay> mechanicjay, what sender was it from?
[17:57:57] <mechanicjay> I can't seem to respond to your sysops email, it bounces -- but I think this is my upstream smtp relay problem.
[17:57:57] <xlefay> Ah I see
[17:57:47] <Landon> audioguy: are you able to see if my option added correctly then
[17:56:10] <mechanicjay> icinga looks good. Looks like the merging broke some of the internal page links -- no big deal to fix though.
[17:54:09] <xlefay> Please do add any service that's missing, etc
[17:53:28] <xlefay> well funpika did the merging actually
[17:53:13] <xlefay> You like it so far? also, I've been shifting stuff on the wiki, I hope you don't mind I've merged some info from the wiki pages you made. http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[17:52:26] <mechanicjay> yes, I remember now that I forgot to respond
[17:51:53] <xlefay> s/any/one/
[17:50:59] <xlefay> don't have every service in there yet though, and I'm still waiting for sysops to respond to any of the two mails regarding what e-mail address they would like to be notified on, if something's up
[17:50:51] <mechanicjay> ooo
[17:48:24] <xlefay> https://sentinel.soylentnews.org kerberos auth'
[17:47:52] <mechanicjay> xlefay: I have not -- where is that running?
[17:47:49] <audioguy> And by imperial decree I do not me audioguy imperial decree. Some stragglers were signed up on NC decreee since they were holdling up some tests. NC was last heard mimbling somethinf that sounded vaguely like 'cat o 9 tails', 'rack'...
[17:44:39] <xlefay> Thank you.
[17:44:26] <xlefay> so I'm already signed up? That's great
[17:43:49] <audioguy> xlefay was signed up by imperial decree
[17:43:36] <xlefay> mechanicjay, I'm ok, just a bit tired; have you looked at our Icinga installation yet?
[17:43:19] * xlefay mumbles that he still has to sign up, ugh I'll do that in a bit
[17:42:54] <audioguy> Landon: prepending > on replies has been normal email propgram behavior since the 1980s and you shouod not rtry to clean that up. The vote program will read through that fine.
[17:41:37] <mechanicjay> you?
[17:41:10] <mechanicjay> feeling good. refreshed, ready to try and get my head back into some SN stuff.
[17:40:42] <xlefay> How are you?
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[17:40:34] <mechanicjay> hey xlefay
[17:39:52] <xlefay> mechanicjay, ping ;)
[17:34:22] <mechanicjay> hey paulej72, I noticed a bit of css strangeness on dev
[17:12:52] <mattie_p> k
[17:12:49] <paulej72> just cking in before lunch
[17:12:49] <mattie_p> yeah, real work sucks
[17:12:37] <paulej72> real work
[17:12:29] <mattie_p> yeah it is. What is up, paulej72?
[17:08:40] <paulej72> quite in here now.
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[16:26:33] <Landon> and I assume by "do not change this email" it means I need to remove those
[16:26:15] <Landon> audioguyzzz: the staffvote emails are a little annoying in mutt, since it prepends > to reply quotes
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[12:08:50] <NCommander> xlefay, progress
[11:57:23] <xlefay> morning, how did it all go?
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[08:23:03] <mrcoolbp> goodnight!
[08:22:58] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: it seems to be working, I'm off to bed
[08:20:15] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: found one....comment first or moderate first?
[08:17:49] * mrcoolbp tries to find a story on dev he didn't already mod/comment on
[08:17:42] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, sleep well, catch you later
[08:17:32] <mrcoolbp> I'm literally about to leave you sir
[08:17:21] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, I thought you needed sleep :-)
[08:17:16] * NCommander mulls
[08:17:14] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, Hrm
[08:16:15] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: suggest lowering the moderation back to 5 or so then
[08:15:48] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, I'm also going to change mod point expiration time to 8 hours
[08:15:41] <NCommander> Very slowly coming together
[08:14:23] <NCommander> If a user already moderated
[08:14:19] <NCommander> Just need to make the mod boxes appear now
[08:14:14] <mrcoolbp> testing
[08:14:09] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, warning fixed
[08:13:35] <mrcoolbp> concur
[08:13:32] <NCommander> (that's why its a var in the DB; we can flip it at will)
[08:13:24] <NCommander> I'm going to switch it, and if feedback is overwhelming negative, it gets flipped off
[08:13:19] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: I approve = )
[08:13:10] <mrcoolbp> even if we don't vote on every little thing, at least soliiciting feedback would be a good step
[08:13:09] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, I plan to post it on April 1st
[08:12:38] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: we should test it, but more importantly we should submit a story to main to discuss
[08:12:22] * NCommander knows this wasn't discussed, but moderation reworks are kinda my baby ...
[08:12:11] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, do you feel removing moderate_or_post is a good idea?
[08:12:03] <mrcoolbp> k
[08:11:59] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, still deploying
[08:11:54] * mrcoolbp tests that
[08:11:47] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, warning fixed :-)
[08:10:49] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: still getting the warning but no rollback!
[08:09:06] * mrcoolbp is checking mod/post now
[08:08:55] <mrcoolbp> sorry
[08:08:54] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[08:08:54] <NCommander> I don't commit anything without someone else ACKing it
[08:08:47] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, oh, moderate_and_post?
[08:08:38] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, review what?
[08:08:36] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: I will look again now
[08:08:28] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: when you can.
[08:08:19] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, deployed
[08:08:18] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: before I go to bed I wanted to say; I really need you to do a prelim review (or delegate a dev to review) this:
[08:06:31] <NCommander> deploy script is running
[08:06:25] <mrcoolbp> k
[08:06:23] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, stand by
[08:05:52] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: My guess is that stories I moderated on are not showing me any comments
[08:05:49] <NCommander> typoed
[08:05:48] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, fixing
[08:05:05] <mrcoolbp> also can't moderate on anything
[08:04:46] <mrcoolbp> Only some stories are showing any comments at all
[08:04:32] <mrcoolbp> (on dev.soylent)
[08:04:16] <mrcoolbp> Also I'm not seeing comments on stories now...
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[08:04:06] <mrcoolbp> tons of errors NCommander
[08:03:54] <mrcoolbp> ?
[08:03:49] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, WTF?
[08:03:46] <mrcoolbp> goodnight!
[08:03:42] <mrcoolbp> thanks
[08:03:38] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, sleep well
[08:03:36] <mrcoolbp> notes above
[08:03:32] <mrcoolbp> mattie_p, NCommander: need sleep
[08:01:50] * mrcoolbp wonders if he's talking to self
[08:01:34] <mrcoolbp> Please contact the server administrator, admin@dev.soylentnews.org and inform them of the time the
[08:01:34] <mrcoolbp> The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
[08:01:34] <mrcoolbp> OK
[08:01:34] <mrcoolbp> when posting comment: HTTP/1.1 200 OK Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 06:01:07 GMT Server: Apache/1.3.42 (Unix) mod_perl/1.31 Connection: close Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
[07:56:24] * mrcoolbp thinks the "slight change" screwed it up
[07:56:01] <mrcoolbp> other stories still not showing comments....
[07:55:35] <mrcoolbp> The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request......
[07:55:35] <mrcoolbp> OK
[07:55:35] <mrcoolbp> HTTP/1.1 200 OK Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 05:54:57 GMT Server: Apache/1.3.42 (Unix) mod_perl/1.31 Connection: close Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
[07:55:33] <mrcoolbp> finally saw some comments on a story but got this when trying to "reply"
[07:54:22] <mrcoolbp> can't see any comments on stories now....
[07:53:15] <mrcoolbp> comments are dissapearing????
[07:52:33] * mrcoolbp can't moderate now
[07:50:09] * NCommander deploys a slight change
[07:49:56] <mrcoolbp> how do we know that?????
[07:49:50] <mrcoolbp> will it mattie???
[07:49:41] <mattie_p> go to bed then, slash will be waiting for you tomorrow
[07:49:24] * mrcoolbp will be going to bed or falling asleep at keyboard in the next few minutes
[07:48:40] <mrcoolbp> yup
[07:47:58] <mattie_p> yeah, it is
[07:47:44] <NCommander> as fuck
[07:47:42] <NCommander> That's annoying
[07:47:40] <NCommander> still rolling back
[07:47:38] <NCommander> fuck
[07:47:04] <NCommander> Oops
[07:47:03] <NCommander> AHAHAH
[07:47:02] <NCommander> " Internal SAN check blew up checking moderation rights. Please let the powers that be know how and where you recieved this error "
[07:46:45] * mrcoolbp tests that
[07:46:39] <mrcoolbp> okay
[07:46:33] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, ^
[07:46:29] <NCommander> rollback shouldn't occur anymore
[07:46:22] <mattie_p> also, I can upload MUD tomorrow once you let me know what you need from me before hand
[07:46:11] * mrcoolbp goes back to editing for main page
[07:46:00] <mattie_p> NCommander yeah it is. I'm pretty sure I'm doing it right, but I'm pretty beat. I'll beat on dev some more tomorrow morning
[07:45:24] <mrcoolbp> k
[07:45:20] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, working on it
[07:45:18] * NCommander fiddles more
[07:45:16] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: mod rollback occured
[07:45:14] <NCommander> mattie_p, that's annoying
[07:43:55] <mattie_p> wow, chrome keeps logging me in even if I've cleared all cookies and everything "since the beginning of time"
[07:43:48] * mrcoolbp switches back to SSL to continue
[07:42:08] <mrcoolbp> BRB 3 seconds...
[07:41:57] <mrcoolbp> but it seems my moderation was presevered....
[07:41:41] <mrcoolbp> and I'm not able to moderate now
[07:41:33] <mrcoolbp> " If you continue to post this comment, all moderations done to this discussion will be undone! Are you sure you want to post?"
[07:40:58] <mattie_p> yeah it did
[07:40:36] <NCommander> Crap
[07:40:35] <NCommander> actually, it did get undone
[07:40:32] <NCommander> fuck
[07:40:15] * NCommander fiddles more
[07:40:07] <NCommander> But the rollbacks don't happen
[07:40:03] <NCommander> and it warns there are sitll rollbacks
[07:39:30] <mrcoolbp> confirmed ^^
[07:38:56] <NCommander> Mod interface doesn't show up if you pre-posted
[07:38:49] <NCommander> yay :-)
[07:38:47] <NCommander> and I found a bug already
[07:38:37] <mrcoolbp> confirmed, commenting and mod testing now
[07:38:12] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, mattie_p: you guys should have mod points
[07:37:50] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: are you aware the "today" vs "yesterday" vs "acutal date" nav buttons at the bottom of the "main page" only make sense if there are a lot of stories posted?
[07:36:44] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, haven't granted yet
[07:35:59] <mrcoolbp> k testing
[07:35:46] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, yeah
[07:35:33] <mrcoolbp> on dev?
[07:35:27] <NCommander> Let me give you guys some modpoints to test
[07:35:21] <NCommander> mattie_p, mrcoolbp: BTW, I changed moderation to allow you to post and moderator
[07:34:59] <NCommander> The later works too
[07:34:54] <mattie_p> hrm, odd, I'm testing with Win 7 and chrome right now
[07:34:34] <NCommander> mattie_p, oh, the former
[07:34:17] <mattie_p> you logged out or just posting AC while logged in?
[07:34:08] <NCommander> mattie_p, just posted an SSL AC comment
[07:34:01] <NCommander> mattie_p, works here ...
[07:33:44] <mattie_p> in SSL it wants me to login when I hit submit and I get that error
[07:33:23] <mattie_p> in normal, it allows me to be logged out and post AC
[07:33:12] <mattie_p> it only does that in SSL when I'm logged out
[07:32:55] <NCommander> mattie_p, hrm
[07:30:32] <mattie_p> ^^ in comments.pl
[07:30:21] <mattie_p> Login for "mattie_p" has failed. Please try again. Submit
[07:30:11] <mattie_p> in SSL I logged out, retains my login in cookie, and it tries to log me in when I hit submit
[07:29:28] <NCommander> I want us to go SSL by default, but that's still a bit out
[07:29:26] <mrcoolbp> np
[07:29:21] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, thanks
[07:28:35] <mrcoolbp> will do that now
[07:28:02] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: didn't try anything on non-SSL
[07:27:15] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, using both SSL and non-SSL?
[07:27:04] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: I can't seem to break anytihng thus far
[07:26:35] * mrcoolbp rules!
[07:26:24] <NCommander> Karma-Bonus Modifier +1
[07:26:24] <NCommander> Starting Score: 4 points
[07:23:39] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: initial tests seem to be working
[07:23:21] <mrcoolbp> https://dev.soylentnews.org
[07:23:14] <mrcoolbp> it went to 5, I'm guessing it was added to my actual Karam
[07:22:15] <mattie_p> yeah, you can do that too
[07:22:09] <mattie_p> maybe edit topics (though I don't recommend that)
[07:22:08] * mrcoolbp changes his initial Karma posting level to 4
[07:22:00] <mattie_p> you can post, edit seclevels, read stats, edit stories
[07:21:39] <mattie_p> umm, a lot
[07:21:11] <mrcoolbp> WTF does seclevel 10,000 afford me on dev?
[07:21:09] * NCommander gets this committed
[07:19:12] * mrcoolbp continues trying to break dev.soylent
[07:18:45] <mattie_p> yeah,
[07:18:36] <mrcoolbp> but he is editing stories so I'll give him a break = )
[07:18:34] <mattie_p> I suspect its coming soon
[07:18:18] <mrcoolbp> mattie_p: laminatorX is working on that, I was hoping to have a draft by now though
[07:17:39] <mattie_p> faq is still borked (way too slashcode intensive), I think that's known too, and someone was fixing
[07:11:44] * NCommander goes to smoke
[07:11:10] <mrcoolbp> previous loging infor preserved
[07:11:02] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, known, ignore :-)
[07:10:56] <mrcoolbp> "Cert not trusted"
[07:10:42] * mrcoolbp does above
[07:10:29] <NCommander> Try and break it
[07:10:28] <NCommander> ^- can you guys login, try stuff, poke it, etc.
[07:10:20] <NCommander> mattie_p, https://dev.soylentnews.org
[07:10:16] <mattie_p> mrcoolbp, that was completely accidental and I didn't know I wasn't supposed to abuse that at the time
[07:10:02] * mrcoolbp notes we need a name for audioguy's voting system code
[07:09:53] <mattie_p> I'm helping mrcoolbp with final edit of a story he posted right now
[07:09:48] <mrcoolbp> acutally he was great at abusing the voting system code
[07:09:20] <mattie_p> maybe, I'm not good at abusing anything except ... well. .. lets not go there
[07:08:40] <NCommander> mattie_p, want to help abuse this? :-)
[07:07:57] <NCommander> Problem goes away
[07:07:54] <NCommander> Moment I add debug code
[07:07:48] <NCommander> Figures
[07:07:18] <mattie_p> looks like it is a distant descendant of c, so it won't be terrible, I hope
[07:06:30] <mattie_p> hrm, how soon before I have to start delving into perl? I'm betting two weeks tops before I cave
[07:04:20] * mrcoolbp assumes right
[07:04:13] * mrcoolbp assumes SSL
[07:04:13] <NCommander> mattie_p, trying to fix Slash's SSL support
[07:03:23] <mattie_p> I hesitate to ask, but what is the issue you are working on?
[07:02:41] <NCommander> ugh
[07:02:40] <NCommander> mattie_p, this is bloody absurd
[06:54:53] <mattie_p> it probably wants to do the same to you
[06:53:49] <NCommander> fuck you slashcode
[06:53:47] <NCommander> ...
[06:45:33] <prospectacle> No worries.
[06:41:53] * mrcoolbp tries to edit some stories before he falls asleep at the keyboard
[06:40:34] <mrcoolbp> your notes will be recorded and utilized
[06:40:10] <mrcoolbp> well I appreciate you stepping up to the task
[06:38:21] <prospectacle> s/limites/limits/
[06:37:59] <prospectacle> mrcoolbp, I think we've reached the limites of my knowledge
[06:36:16] <mrcoolbp> Prospectacle: any other tasty nuggets of info?
[06:35:47] <mrcoolbp> I thought that's what you meant
[06:34:34] <mrcoolbp> heh
[06:34:27] <prospectacle> mrcoolbp, yes I think they (intertwinkles) do, which suggests they think it's better (for that function at least) than their own product.
[06:34:23] <NCommander> DFSDFEFWERWERWEDA
[06:34:17] * NCommander wants to punch something
[06:34:09] <mrcoolbp> prospectacle: interesting, I need to talk to funpika and xlefay about that
[06:33:28] <prospectacle> Twiki looks good as well, but best not to have two wiki systems, imo. Especially as wiki-media does allow a decent level of "Structured content" which is Twiki's main selling point.
[06:33:22] <mrcoolbp> could just be that they use redmine for their own development
[06:32:46] <mrcoolbp> "Powered by Redmine © 2006-2013 Jean-Philippe Lang"
[06:32:33] <mrcoolbp> yeah, that looks like redmine
[06:31:31] <prospectacle> https://project.intertwinkles.org
[06:31:00] <mrcoolbp> interesting
[06:30:41] <prospectacle> mrcoolbp, Intertwinkles looks good on paper, but uses Redmine as its own documentation/wiki server
[06:28:37] * mrcoolbp just collects most of this information from others
[06:28:26] <mrcoolbp> a staff-only thing as I understood it
[06:28:10] <mrcoolbp> prospectacle: regarding twiki: it would be in addition to the current wiki
[06:27:48] <mrcoolbp> prospectacle: yeah, intertwinkles seems the best except for that large caveat, I'm hoping we can roll our own clone eventually
[06:26:52] <prospectacle> mrcoolbp, to be more precise: twiki and its derivatives are not focussed on discussion so much as wiki (which you already have), and intertwinkles uses javascript, which is an anti-requirement in thise case, as far as I can tell.
[06:25:04] <mrcoolbp> mattie_p: in #editorial
[06:24:27] <mrcoolbp> crap
[06:24:06] * mrcoolbp goes to check sotry que
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[06:22:40] <mrcoolbp> audioguy: I think he might mean a vote test?
[06:21:15] * mrcoolbp is ready to try "this"
[06:20:29] <NCommander> ok, lets try this
[06:20:08] * mrcoolbp slurps his ramen noodles, please don't judge him
[06:19:13] <mrcoolbp> (except gunngir sniper but he/she was a recent add and has been unavail for the last few days
[06:18:47] <audioguy> OK.
[06:18:44] <mrcoolbp> best of my knowledge
[06:18:39] <mrcoolbp> yessir
[06:18:33] <audioguy> Are we sure everyone there is staff?
[06:18:30] <mrcoolbp> audioguy: thanks!
[06:18:24] <mrcoolbp> prospectacle: thanks!
[06:18:16] <audioguy> Will do.
[06:17:56] * NCommander is making progress
[06:17:39] <audioguy> You just want a little more secure one? :-)
[06:17:20] <prospectacle> mrcoolbp, redmine looks perfectly decent.
[06:16:59] <audioguy> Why is that?
[06:16:39] <mrcoolbp> audioguy: please change password asap
[06:16:37] <audioguy> Do you mean from staff as well?
[06:16:23] <audioguy> It is unpublic behind the password.
[06:16:14] <mrcoolbp> second choice?
[06:16:00] <prospectacle> mrcoolbp. I've looked at the other options and my opinion that slash would have the best features with the least trouble to set up, has been reinforced.
[06:14:58] <mrcoolbp> prospectacle: how's your homework coming?
[06:14:26] <mrcoolbp> audiougy: can you un-public that vote list please!
[06:14:13] <prospectacle> the seeds of democracy are fragile and precious
[06:14:05] audioguyfood is now known as audioguy
[06:14:04] <mrcoolbp> prospectacle: it's only a baby-step towards the goal
[06:12:37] <prospectacle> hooray!
[06:11:20] <mrcoolbp> NCommander, remaining staff added, tests will begin tomorrow
[06:10:10] <NCommander> Because I'm sick of debugging it
[06:10:05] * NCommander is going to fudge this
[06:09:53] <NCommander> Back
[06:01:23] <mrcoolbp> ......................
[06:01:17] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: hi!
[05:55:58] <mrcoolbp> heh
[05:55:08] <mattie_p> then, not to be left out, I will also BRB, but maybe not sooner :)
[05:54:47] <mrcoolbp> and, I'll BRB even sooner = )
[05:54:24] <mrcoolbp> mattie_p: he will BRB
[05:54:11] <mattie_p> yeah, I see it in MySQL.pm only, but once in /slash/DB/MySQL, andother in /slash/blib/lib/slash/db/
[05:52:48] <NCommander> mattie_p, one place actually
[05:48:51] <mattie_p> based on grep -r anyway
[05:47:24] <mattie_p> looks like it only occurs in two places, NCommander?
[05:47:23] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: welcome! It's fun here
[05:47:05] * NCommander sees himself slowly descending into madness
[05:46:59] * mrcoolbp is going to kick xlefay's butt for not signing up for the vote list
[05:46:02] <mattie_p> also, seems like the sort of thing they might want to have tested
[05:46:00] <mrcoolbp> use_caution_when_dealing_with_slash
[05:45:24] <mattie_p> ahh, yeah, seems a little long
[05:45:08] <NCommander> no, I was WTFing the var
[05:44:57] * NCommander is confused
[05:44:56] <mattie_p> if its anything like c, constants->XXX is a pointer to that variable
[05:44:54] <NCommander> mattie_p, yeah, but it seems ... wrong
[05:44:43] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: you around?
[05:44:21] <mattie_p> looks like a boolean?
[05:43:46] <NCommander> wat?
[05:43:41] <NCommander> if ($constants->{use_https_for_absolutedir_secure}) {
[05:43:41] <NCommander> # XXXSKIN - untested; can we reuse $rootdir_uri ?
[05:43:34] <mattie_p> same Cactus
[05:43:32] <mrcoolbp> yeah...
[05:43:24] <mattie_p> same same
[05:43:14] <mrcoolbp> mattie_p: (same as above) dopefish?
[05:43:02] <audioguyfood> Don't woory, will send a test when done earting.
[05:42:35] <mrcoolbp> oops missed him
[05:42:29] <mrcoolbp> audioguy: the emails will be added in 3 min
[05:42:22] audioguy is now known as audioguyfood
[05:42:11] <mattie_p> later, audioguy!
[05:42:04] <audioguy> I am away for a bit, dinner. :-)
[05:42:02] <mattie_p> LaminatorX would be a better person to talk to
[05:41:59] <mrcoolbp> yeah
[05:41:54] <mattie_p> mrcoolbp haven't seen in a week or so
[05:41:38] <mrcoolbp> mattie_p: any sign of girlwwpo?
[05:41:29] <mrcoolbp> heh
[05:41:22] <mattie_p> and someone who can teach me to not press <enter> when trying to type <'>
[05:41:00] <mattie_p> let's get a counselor on the line for you
[05:40:52] <mattie_p> let
[05:40:50] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: cry for help?
[05:40:50] <mattie_p> g'night paulej72, NCommander, let'
[05:40:42] <mrcoolbp> goodnight paulej72
[05:40:37] <mrcoolbp> heh
[05:40:28] * NCommander is about to break down and start cutting himself w/ slash
[05:40:26] <paulej72> time for bed see you all tomorrow
[05:37:53] <audioguy> Was hoping you would do that. :-) Has been over two days now.
[05:36:38] <mrcoolbp> BRB
[05:36:32] * mrcoolbp goes to do that
[05:36:20] <mrcoolbp> Yessir
[05:35:56] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, just add the rest of the staff emails from the list to the vote
[05:35:45] <NCommander> audioguy, I'm there
[05:35:37] <audioguy> 'proper channels' :-)
[05:35:35] * mattie_p has mrcoolbp I think I missed the email to sign up for that, my SN stuff doesn't work there
[05:35:15] <audioguy> Then post.
[05:35:08] <audioguy> Was waiting for mrcool to read first.
[05:35:02] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: ^^^^^
[05:34:41] <audioguy> Hence the written proposal to work from.
[05:34:26] <audioguy> And agreeing on exactlyw what we are going to do. ;-)
[05:34:18] <mrcoolbp> mattie_p: http://staff.soylentnews.org
[05:34:08] <audioguy> The problem is not the coding, I can do that in a couple days. It's people, and testing.
[05:34:05] <mattie_p> what's the link for signup again?
[05:33:56] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: not yet
[05:33:44] <audioguy> The problem is this: I need the rest of staff to be signed up for the staffvote. So we can do those tests. So the code can be forked.
[05:33:38] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, audioguy: I take it this proposal didn't go to the list?
[05:32:53] <audioguy> Yes, we needed something written down to work from.
[05:32:29] <mrcoolbp> audioguy: <@NCommander> mrcoolbp, hrm, so how close do you think we are from being able to do the name vote?
[05:30:56] <mrcoolbp> heh
[05:30:00] <Bender> Added quote 110
[05:30:00] <paulej72> !grab NCommander
[05:29:59] * mrcoolbp keeps reading the proposal
[05:29:48] <mrcoolbp> audioguy: holy crap dude, you thought a lot about this eh?
[05:29:44] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: it is going to be okay, deep breaths
[05:28:45] <NCommander> */RAGE*
[05:28:43] <NCommander> FUCK FUCK FUCK
[05:28:41] <NCommander> FUCK
[05:28:39] <NCommander> Fuck
[05:28:38] <NCommander> Ugh
[05:26:23] * mrcoolbp reads augioguy's "Proposal"
[05:26:13] <audioguy> I ned to finish this current business with the naming, then will get back to that.
[05:26:06] <mrcoolbp> but hopefully that's semi-temporary
[05:25:54] <mrcoolbp> true
[05:25:49] <prospectacle> audioguy has a very full plate
[05:25:39] <mrcoolbp> audioguy, prospectacle: did you guys discuss possible solutions to this login issue?
[05:25:07] <prospectacle> Sometimes even javascript :o
[05:25:06] <mrcoolbp> exactly
[05:25:01] <prospectacle> The other systems would all require learning, configuring, and possibly using third-party servers.
[05:24:46] <mrcoolbp> a downside would be: uses JS or doesn't allow public/private channels etc.
[05:24:39] <prospectacle> So it seems from what I can gather, that slash is the clear choice.
[05:24:35] <audioguy> I believe it can be done with a fairly simple patch to some of the code in the apache module. But that is in the back burner for the moment.
[05:24:24] <prospectacle> Right
[05:24:19] <mrcoolbp> prospectacle: any system we choose would require that (installing etc.)
[05:23:44] <prospectacle> mrcoolbp, right you are. The downside being it would need to be put in place - ie work would need to be done.
[05:23:03] <mrcoolbp> prospectacle: I wouldn't say that's a downside, more of a hurdle?
[05:22:39] <prospectacle> Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like the only downside to using slash for staff comms is enforcing login? With regard to upsides they are many and varied (eating your own dogfood, familiarity, thread and post ability).
[05:22:30] <mattie_p> mrcoolbp aren't we all :)
[05:22:08] <mrcoolbp> mattie_p: thanks, I'm trying to wrangle 3 big projects right now and I'm trying to delegate a bit = ))
[05:21:59] * NCommander waves to prospectacle
[05:21:33] <mrcoolbp> mattie_p: if you could look into each and report back on your top 3 keeping in mind staff preferences (no JS, granular control of public/private pages) I'd really appreciate it
[05:21:32] <prospectacle> Good afternoon
[05:21:24] <mattie_p> mrcoolbp will do
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[05:20:35] <NCommander> (on dev)
[05:20:26] <NCommander> I completely broke login it seems
[05:20:21] * NCommander kicks this pile of crap
[05:19:52] <mrcoolbp> mattie_p: scroll down to "Staff Communication"
[05:19:51] * NCommander WTFs more
[05:19:36] <mrcoolbp> mattie_p: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[05:19:01] <mrcoolbp> audiougy: I will look in 2 minutes
[05:18:42] <mattie_p> so I'm available all this week, looks like
[05:18:40] <mrcoolbp> audioguy: no, clearing out a shit ton of auto-emails I got from github
[05:18:33] <mattie_p> camping trip was cancelled due to incoming inclement weather
[05:18:21] <mattie_p> mrcoolbp, yes, I should
[05:18:12] <audioguy> mrcoolbp: see my email?
[05:17:50] <mrcoolbp> s/resrarch/research/
[05:17:31] <mrcoolbp> mattie_p: I need some help with the staff "Communication Systems" decision, do you have some time in the next few days to do a tiny bit of resrarch for me?
[05:17:26] <mattie_p> yeah, i've been slumming lately
[05:16:17] <mrcoolbp> mattie_p: good to see you around these parts
[05:15:53] <mattie_p> mrcoolbp sorry to hear that, feel better soon
[05:14:32] * mrcoolbp had a rough day, but is going to try to get some SN stuff done
[05:14:05] <NCommander> Something is serious f***ed up
[05:14:05] <mrcoolbp> ah
[05:14:01] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, SSL debugging
[05:13:55] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: you are aggravated by what?
[05:13:33] <mrcoolbp> that would be awesome
[05:13:18] <NCommander> I'm struggling to try and fix SSL
[05:13:12] <mrcoolbp> cool
[05:13:05] <NCommander> *14.04
[05:12:54] <mrcoolbp> yeah seriously...I need to filter those....
[05:12:52] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, we're putting together slashcode release 04.14
[05:12:41] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, I cleaned out the bug database :-)
[05:11:21] <mrcoolbp> holy crap I have a ton of emails from git
[05:10:28] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: you are aggrovated by what?
[05:10:11] <NCommander> Ah well
[05:10:09] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, just I'd like to announce it 04/01
[05:09:29] * mrcoolbp checks email
[05:09:07] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: the big hangup has been the voting system, audioguy has been working hard coding everything from scratch
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[05:08:36] <mrcoolbp> at minimum a week, what did I just miss?
[05:08:08] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, hrm, so how close do you think we are from being able to do the name vote?
[05:07:52] * NCommander is extremely aggrovated by this
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[05:03:34] <NCommander> fuck
[05:03:33] <NCommander> ok, so part of it is absolutedir_secure doesn't end up in the skin
[04:56:04] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[04:55:51] * Bytram is away: G'nite everyone!
[04:55:36] <Bytram> I'm impressed with all you've done; can't wait to see what else is in store!
[04:55:14] <Bytram> and with that, it's time for me to call it a night...
[04:54:58] <Bytram> learned some things, too!! =)
[04:54:41] <Bytram> all were typos or minor syntx changefs.
[04:54:20] <NCommander> Ok, so no more 500
[04:54:16] <NCommander> Bytram, thanks, still have a lot to do there
[04:53:11] <Bytram> NCommander: no major changes.
[04:53:07] <Bytram> NCommander: FYI: Looking good! I finished proofreading: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[04:52:22] <NCommander> What a load of crap
[04:52:20] <NCommander> Ok, now I understand why its broken
[04:52:15] * NCommander swears repeatively
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[04:47:10] <paulej72> I guess tha means you see that ssl login reidrects to http://
[04:45:17] <NCommander> VAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
[04:44:15] <NCommander> paulej72, we can varnish with SSL. nginx plugs into varnish after terminating SSL
[04:43:58] <paulej72> ok fine for here then as we do not have to worry so much about varnish
[04:43:51] <NCommander> checking
[04:43:49] <NCommander> paulej72, I think I fixed it
[04:43:28] <NCommander> paulej72, I rather have this work properly as I don't want to load balance on the dev server
[04:42:33] <paulej72> If that is the case we do not need to get ssl working on slash. Also we should have a load balancer that can give a user the same front end server for multiple requests as it keeps things from breaking. better than random server with a round robin approach
[04:40:30] * NCommander is still trying to fix this check
[04:39:56] * NCommander mulls
[04:39:55] <NCommander> paulej72, the later I think
[04:31:54] <paulej72> will the load balance send an https request to slash or rewirte that to http?
[04:31:28] <NCommander> For when we bring up a second node
[04:31:23] <NCommander> We needed a loadbalancer anyway
[04:31:17] <NCommander> paulej72, SSL CPU load is handled on the load balancer, easy to load balance Apache
[04:30:44] <paulej72> what do we gain by doing that
[04:29:58] <NCommander> We can just have varnish ALWAYS pass that into the backend
[04:29:52] <NCommander> (X-SSL-On)
[04:29:49] <NCommander> paulej72, slash checks an HTTP header to see if we're SSL or no
[04:29:26] <paulej72> if we are terminating ssl on the load balancer, then slash should think it is running in non ssl mode correct?
[04:27:54] <NCommander> paulej72, absoutedir and absolutedir_secure
[04:27:31] <paulej72> ok then where are the ssl urls set
[04:26:17] <NCommander> That works, we already do it with nginx
[04:26:08] <NCommander> paulej72, we terminate SSL on the loadbalancer, and get a normal HTTP request to varnish
[04:25:54] <paulej72> but if we set ssl, what does that do to varnish
[04:24:43] <Bender> karma - ncommander: 14
[04:24:43] <xlefay> NCommander++ for what it's worth, I agree with the SSL stuff entirely, we can just sslify the entire site and be done with this madness
[04:23:57] <xlefay> Have a good one guys and good luck! Hope to see you all here tomorrow and not on the news because one went on a killing spree because of Slash :)
[04:23:52] <NCommander> paulej72, and do SSL on the load balancer
[04:23:46] <NCommander> paulej72, .... I'm sorely tempted to force this check to just always return SSL URLs
[04:23:12] <Bytram> brb
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[04:22:22] <paulej72> .op
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[04:20:50] <NCommander> YAY
[04:20:48] <NCommander> Callback called exit at /srv/soylentnews.org/local/lib/perl5/5.10.1/x86_64-linux/Storable.pm line 418.
[04:20:48] <NCommander> Out of memory!
[04:20:48] <NCommander> [Mon Mar 31 02:19:57 2014] [error] Missing base argument at /srv/soylentnews.org/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.1/x86_64-linux/Slash/Utility/Data.pm line 454.\n
[04:19:49] <xlefay> Not entirely sure what augmentation means though, but from what I'm reading it means "the majority" decides; but that's only for the qdb frontpage itself, e.g. quote gets "added" when it's been upvoted enough, but it won't get added to the fortune DB until an admin approves that
[04:17:42] <Bytram> xlefay: got it. community-validated augmentation of our quote db.
[04:17:08] <xlefay> Sounds reasonable?
[04:16:44] <xlefay> frontend as in, 'main page' actually.
[04:16:21] <xlefay> Bytram, correct, but we can exclude them from ever appearing in the fortunedb but include them on the qdb frontend itself, e.g. users upvote, after a certain ratio, it gets added to the "qdb frontend" and it still requires being approved for the fortune db
[04:15:24] <Bender> 1 item deleted
[04:15:24] <paulej72> !done 6
[04:14:59] <Bender> no more data available for #staff
[04:14:58] <paulej72> !more
[04:14:55] <Bender> Log In and Log Out per bug 116 9) fix journal template to fix broken link title tex per bug 118 10) fix relationships ui as per bug 37 11) add admin check to JS load 12) add cvs tag to images 13) have slash use DateTime::TimeZone instead of its built in crap
[04:14:55] <paulej72> !more
[04:14:51] <Bender> todo for paulej72: 1) Kill D2 2) fix all buttons to have proper case. 3) fix bug #68 some links are worn color in comment details 4) trace JS loads to fix JS resize of certain elements on mobil devices. 5) style blockquote and see what is up with quote 6) add hyperlink to article story title to story page per bug 106 7) add night mode skin per 112 8) make sure it is - 1 more
[04:14:51] <paulej72> !todo
[04:14:49] <xlefay> That openid thing would be extremely useful in this case.. *hints* ;)
[04:14:44] <Bytram> xlefay: there's some rather salacious quotes in there
[04:14:22] <xlefay> Bytram, initially, my plan is that people can "upvote" quotes, and those quotes can then be added to the site's fortune database if NC & others likes that idea.. ;)
[04:14:11] <NCommander> Why does getCurrentUser fail
[04:14:05] * NCommander chews
[04:13:21] <xlefay> qdb*
[04:12:57] * Bytram has no need for it, but others might find it to be of, ummm, service
[04:12:28] <xlefay> Screw my task list tomorrow, first thing I'm going to do is make a little QODB available. After that, the puppet vs. deb stuff can be done.
[04:11:55] * xlefay thought as much, well next time you need it, it's right there!
[04:11:25] * Bytram just saved it for posterity =)
[04:10:40] <xlefay> Bytram, just fyi, that was indeed intended to be a sexual reference.
[04:10:30] <paulej72> it is slash it was designed to be broken
[04:10:28] <NCommander> Perfectly
[04:10:26] <NCommander> That would explain it
[04:10:24] <NCommander> I bet the SSL variable doesn't get set for AC
[04:09:46] <Bender> Added quote 109
[04:09:46] <xlefay> !grab paulej72
[04:09:41] <paulej72> nuke it from orbit the only way to be srue
[04:09:30] <Bender> Added quote 108
[04:09:30] <Bytram> !grab xlefay
[04:09:25] <NCommander> I understand why this broken
[04:09:22] <NCommander> I GET IT
[04:09:20] <NCommander> OH
[04:08:52] <xlefay> paulej72, distributed fiddling, there's nothing quite like it!
[04:08:25] <paulej72> How am I susposed to fiddle with if you keep doing the same:)
[04:07:42] <NCommander> paulej72, I'm fiddling with it
[04:07:23] <paulej72> NCommander: that is the error I have been seeing, if you ignore it you are logged in, but think it chocking on the redirect
[04:07:11] <xlefay> Bytram, NCommander, better yet, destroy it with fire, not even direct system access can work then!
[04:06:12] <Bytram> quick! now disconnect it from the internet so that it *stays* safe!
[04:06:08] <xlefay> The templating system reminds me somewhat of Twig, it's very similar. Not sure if Slash supports inheritance for templates though; but I wouldn't mind allocating some time to bootstrapping that damn mess, but don't want to step on MrBluze|afk & Frogblast's toes
[04:05:45] <Bytram> ROFL!
[04:05:36] <NCommander> Its really secure now!
[04:05:32] <NCommander> logging in 500s
[04:05:30] <NCommander> NICE
[04:05:28] <NCommander> The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
[04:05:28] <NCommander> Internal Server Error
[04:05:11] <NCommander> Or at least how DICE did beta
[04:05:03] <NCommander> xlefay, I think I understand slash's theming system well enough I can give them a template to work with
[04:04:43] <xlefay> paulej72, btw, I think frogblast & MrBluze|afk were mostly working on theming; anyway, when I have some free time (which isn't soon) I'll join their effort; as long as they use something sensible like sass or lesscss for css stuff ;)
[04:04:23] <NCommander> or they used a seperate domain, or header rewrite magic
[04:04:11] <NCommander> My guess is this never worked right on slashdot
[04:04:02] <NCommander> That should prevent it from ever bouncing
[04:03:31] <NCommander> :-)
[04:03:27] <NCommander> if (Slash::Apache::ConnectionIsSSL()) {
[04:03:27] * NCommander goes nuclear on this
[04:03:10] <paulej72> too late xlefay
[04:02:48] <xlefay> Understandable, good luck NCommander & paulej72; oh, and *please* try not to sustain any permanent brain damage because of Slashcode.
[04:01:59] <Bytram> NCommander: FYI: I'll set them off with square brackets (since you have a link to the original text of it right below); so it is now: "and location of troops. [6] On similar grounds"
[04:01:54] * NCommander wants to fix this
[04:01:41] * xlefay <3's the wiki's "transclude" function, saves to much time ;)
[04:01:40] <NCommander> xlefay, k
[04:01:18] <xlefay> Want to look into puppet vs. deb packages, might need you to fact check the deb write up though if you feel up to it (e.g. have some time you can make for it); after I write it, of course.
[04:00:20] <xlefay> And yes, I remember that check too, now you mention it
[04:00:07] <xlefay> NCommander, long day ahead of me tomorrow, going to invest some time looking into puppet, based on my conversation with Cyprus earlier in ##, it may be beneficial for us; if we end up choosing it over packages, we can just set up stuff that auto adds checks in Icinga, etc.
[03:58:54] <Bytram> k.
[03:58:54] <paulej72> symlink-tool does the css file rewites. We can easily add the code to update the file names to put the css-tag on it.
[03:58:31] <NCommander> Bytram, I have no idea. I was going to ask FunPika to add citation needed everywhere
[03:58:18] <Bytram> shouldwe keep the "6" ??
[03:58:10] <Bytram> No one would question but that a government might prevent actual obstruction to its recruiting service or the publication of the sailing dates of transports or the number and location of troops. 6 On similar grounds, the primary requirements of decency may be enforced against obscene publications.
[03:58:09] <Bytram> NCommander: I have a quick question; when quoted text has a number indication a footnote in the original source, should we include the footnote number or not? For example:
[03:58:07] <NCommander> Fuck
[03:58:07] <NCommander> This check is busted
[03:58:04] <NCommander> I remember this
[03:58:02] <NCommander> if ($user->{state}{ssl}) {
[03:58:02] <NCommander> xlefay, :-(
[03:58:00] <NCommander> Bytram, thanks
[03:57:54] <xlefay> I need to sleep()
[03:57:23] <Bytram> NCommander: I see you've been busy on: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[03:57:01] <xlefay> I just doubt they SAN checked their own code ;-)
[03:56:36] <NCommander> Well, at least its SAN checking
[03:56:32] <NCommander> # based on whether the current page is secure.
[03:56:32] <NCommander> # We decide whether to use the secure homepage or not
[03:56:32] <NCommander> # be sure nobody can use the site as a redirection service.
[03:56:32] <NCommander> # We absolutize the return-to URL to our domain just to
[03:56:26] <xlefay> aah you reverted it back to varnish, nice
[03:56:18] <NCommander> ConnectionIsSSL works now
[03:56:13] <NCommander> xlefay, nginx -> varnish -> Apache
[03:55:49] <audioguy> I believe some small devices may not do ssl
[03:55:31] <xlefay> also, *does* it work when you point nginx to varnish?
[03:55:22] <xlefay> We should permanent redirect non-ssl to ssl imo
[03:54:50] <xlefay> "Be damned all them non-SSL users!"
[03:54:41] <xlefay> Isn't that something ;')
[03:54:21] <NCommander> PROGRESS
[03:54:17] <NCommander> xlefay, that doesn't work, and logging in from login.pl 502s
[03:53:49] <xlefay> and if you're on non-ssl and go to sign in?
[03:53:24] <NCommander> It doesn't bounce you to !SSL
[03:53:19] <NCommander> Now if you log in from the main page
[03:53:15] <NCommander> Ok
[03:53:09] <Bender> Added quote 107
[03:53:09] <Bytram> !grab audioguy
[03:52:58] <xlefay> Quality for one ;)
[03:52:37] <audioguy> We try to hang on to what we love....
[03:52:30] <xlefay> At that point, it was simply over.
[03:52:12] <Bender> karma - audioguy: 7
[03:52:12] <Bytram> audioguy++
[03:52:11] <xlefay> but man, I couldn't even read comments properly!
[03:52:06] <audioguy> The corporate overlords have won.
[03:52:01] <xlefay> I actually did give it a shot at first
[03:51:46] <audioguy> time to face
[03:51:45] <xlefay> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[03:51:36] <audioguy> I took one look at that and thought, ok, to to face the music on Slashdot: it's over.
[03:51:04] <xlefay> I was rather shocked when I saw actual pictures on the beta layout, I felt like I had landed "on yet another regular site" like wtf....
[03:50:59] <audioguy> Where things went awry in the design, I think, is that they kind of tried to redo it in the middle, without REALLY re-doing it, so it wound up a lot of littel hacks.
[03:50:58] <Bytram> LOL!
[03:50:51] <NCommander> It just breaks the CSS
[03:50:41] <NCommander> You can now log in SSL, and not get an immediately redirect
[03:50:34] <Bytram> xlefay: I'm all for classic, myself
[03:50:29] <NCommander> Sorta
[03:50:28] <NCommander> Kinda
[03:50:27] <NCommander> That's progress
[03:50:25] <NCommander> Ok
[03:50:24] <xlefay> e.g. the fucking widths initially.. the pictures!!!!! and so on
[03:50:23] <Bytram> I'm back.
[03:50:01] <NCommander> I got it to work, but ...
[03:49:59] <xlefay> Let's be fair, the design itself is relatively nice - however, it's execution & the reasons behind it isn't. I for one, was perfectly happy with the "classic" one
[03:49:57] <NCommander> Ok
[03:49:57] <NCommander> OOOh
[03:49:21] <xlefay> So I didn't follow any off-topic talks a lot, but I got extremely frustrated when I saw that fucking "beta" layout - but I did notice over time that shit went downroad
[03:48:43] <audioguy> I never did either.
[03:48:24] <xlefay> I never registered on Slashdot.. couldn't care, just came for the comments 'n giggles
[03:48:09] <NCommander> audioguy, that's a perfectly good waste of an explanation
[03:48:00] <NCommander> audioguy, I get it now
[03:47:54] <audioguy> What I like is the explanation about what a nexus is. I read that about five times and it still made littel sense.
[03:47:48] <NCommander> xlefay, well, you know, looking back, it explains a lot of why slashdot was so disfunctional w/ their attitude towards users and shit, even pre-DICE
[03:47:23] <xlefay> NCommander, I would say, that "brilliance" is a mere byproduct of insane idiocy
[03:47:22] <NCommander> Its the frontend, eeeeck
[03:47:13] <NCommander> Not brilliant
[03:47:11] <NCommander> most of the perl is ok
[03:46:54] <xlefay> Yes, but can you image that it was added _afterwards_ not directly.
[03:46:54] <audioguy> Which is itself somewhat incomprehensible
[03:46:53] * NCommander notes slash is half brilliance, half idioracy
[03:46:36] <xlefay> I've came across that one and was like "Wow... just wow, -snip swearwords-"
[03:46:30] <audioguy> There is a long explanation after though on that pariticular one.
[03:45:56] <NCommander> I love these guys
[03:45:53] <NCommander> # i really wish we knew WHAT bug, and how this solves it -- pudge
[03:45:53] <NCommander> # Don't remove this. This solves a known bug in Apache -- brian
[03:45:11] <NCommander> paulej72, look in config
[03:45:06] <NCommander> paulej72, in the vars
[03:43:47] <paulej72> where the fuck is that NCommander
[03:43:10] <xlefay> heh
[03:43:07] <NCommander> FAIL
[03:43:06] <NCommander> ....
[03:43:05] <NCommander> INSERT INTO vars (name, value, description) VALUES ('smalldevices_ua_regex', 'iPhone', 'regex of user agents for small devices');
[03:43:04] <xlefay> Good haha
[03:42:57] <audioguy> Not really ;-)
[03:42:30] <xlefay> Oh, you mean, what the original slashcode authors used, audioguy ? ;)
[03:42:29] * NCommander notes in several places, we can change the physical DB for functions
[03:42:20] <NCommander> Interesting
[03:42:19] <NCommander> Huh
[03:42:13] <paulej72> If we were to tag them with the release in the name
[03:41:59] <audioguy> How about 'it works' for a design. ;-)
[03:41:42] <paulej72> we need to have cssraw converter output the code with the proper name
[03:41:10] <Bytram> afk... brb
[03:41:06] <NCommander> and it will "do the right thing"
[03:41:02] <NCommander> xlefay, paulej72: we can just rename the files to cssraw
[03:40:54] <paulej72> audioguy: that is what will happen, but it is silly to do that without a design to follow
[03:40:43] <xlefay> Also, wth is up with these css files... those people really have an affinity for creating halfbaked crap
[03:39:59] <audioguy> I still think what we should ultimately do with slash it take EVERYTHING POSSIBLE out, css, plugins, al of it, start with the base, and bring things back in one at a time, fixing from the base up.
[03:39:58] <xlefay> New CSS files? HTML gets auto updated, browsers automatically download the new CSS files and auto caches it insanely
[03:39:55] <paulej72> I think it would work if we could get slash to generate the file names automatically on install. Need to look at that cssraw to css converter code
[03:39:53] <Bytram> NCommander: could I please make a case for using a naming convention of, at least, "yy.mm" instead of "mm.yy". Sorting follows easier when the more significant numbers come first, instead of demanding two (or more) keys *EVERY* time you want to sort.
[03:39:31] <xlefay> Use the filename approach, set cache headers insanely high, problem solved.
[03:38:53] <paulej72> I am all for not haveing the .ssl. stuff in there as it really should not be. I am still thinking about the cache control thing for css.
[03:37:40] <NCommander> paulej72, which is a PITA in the VM, so I'm going to commit on dev, then format-patches/push
[03:37:28] <NCommander> paulej72, I'm still debugging SSL
[03:37:20] <xlefay> I remember that
[03:37:18] <paulej72> NCommander: did you just directly edit the file on dev? We need to commit that if we want it permanent
[03:37:05] <NCommander> Who offered apologizes
[03:37:00] <NCommander> We've only ever been in contact w/ Neal
[03:36:54] <NCommander> I dunno if they've seen it
[03:36:37] <xlefay> I wonder.. if they cried or laughed when they saw that
[03:36:32] <NCommander> xlefay, https://github.com
[03:36:14] <NCommander> xlefay, ironically, when we moved to github, it FOUND the original authors, and listed them as contributors to our git repos
[03:35:57] <NCommander> xlefay, I think we're already ther
[03:35:48] * NCommander notes the current behavior is kinda nice IF we just want SSL for login ...
[03:35:48] <xlefay> Out of curiosity, are we at the stage of turning into psycho's that hunt down the "original" authors yet?
[03:35:02] <NCommander> Ok, CSS works properly when you're SSLed
[03:34:52] <paulej72> yes, the problem with the css, is they did not put classes on the things they wanted to set. instead they had ids like comment_8732 with no class so you could target that div with the other comment divs
[03:34:45] <NCommander> We store the slashcode release in the database ...
[03:34:33] <NCommander> Bytram, slashcode.slashcode_04.14.css
[03:34:19] <Bytram> NCommander: interesting thought. example?
[03:33:53] <NCommander> Thoughts?
[03:33:43] <xlefay> !important should *only* be used in special cases when it's really *important*
[03:33:43] <NCommander> paulej72, .... you know, we could use this to change the filenames to include the CSS tag so we can cache-control properly
[03:33:42] <Bytram> *destroys*
[03:33:21] <Bytram> paulej72: which just 8destroys* all the specificity they used in the first place!!
[03:33:14] <NCommander> So ...
[03:33:13] * NCommander knows jack about CSS
[03:33:04] <audioguy> Yes it does, their overuse of selectors is really something else.
[03:32:54] <paulej72> no its not that bad, but they are already overiding stuff in lowbandwith usning !important all over the place
[03:32:53] <Bytram> xlefay: they took specificity to pretty "amazing" levels.
[03:32:52] <NCommander> Its very much a "they didn't care" sorta thing
[03:32:51] <xlefay> I'm too scared to do that but may I just say, for the record, "WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK"
[03:32:34] <Bytram> paulej72: oh, yeah. Now I remember... blegh! Blegh! BLEGH!
[03:32:17] <NCommander> xlefay, do view sourcce and have your eyes burn
[03:32:07] <xlefay> Not even slash, can be that bad, right??
[03:32:01] <audioguy> I'm just trying to guess why they did that, not justify it. ;-)
[03:32:00] <xlefay> You're joking, right?
[03:31:52] <xlefay> heh
[03:31:47] <paulej72> forty selectors later you get specific enough to override
[03:31:32] <NCommander> :-/
[03:31:31] <NCommander> paulej72, the CSS needs to be burnt and redone from the ground up
[03:31:13] <paulej72> have you tried to override the hellish css in slash
[03:31:10] <NCommander> audioguy, I rather simplify the plumbing than make it more complex
[03:31:01] <Bytram> audioguy: Were it me, I'd implement that as an *additional* css file that overrode the defaults.
[03:30:54] <audioguy> Jusy guessing. ;-)
[03:30:47] <NCommander> what xlefay said
[03:30:38] <xlefay> Then they should simply add a second stylesheet which overrides something to show that indication imo
[03:30:06] <audioguy> They had ssl as a perq for registered users, or paying users, did they not? Different css would allow for some visual indication of that, maybe.
[03:30:02] <NCommander> paulej72, I'm commenting that out
[03:29:33] <paulej72> }
[03:29:32] <paulej72> for my $hr (@$css) { $hr->{file} =~ s/\.css/.ssl.css/ }
[03:29:31] <paulej72> if ($secure) {
[03:29:18] <xlefay> 'file.file' looks silly tho ;]
[03:28:48] <xlefay> NCommander, tat excerpt doesn't really look invalid or uncommon
[03:28:39] <NCommander> none
[03:28:39] <paulej72> Slash/DB/MySQL/MySQL.pm getCSS function
[03:28:38] <NCommander> Yeah
[03:28:37] <NCommander> slash@lithium:~/slashcode/site/soylent-mainpage/htdocs$
[03:28:37] <NCommander> slash@lithium:~/slashcode/site/soylent-mainpage/htdocs$ diff -u slashcode_lite.ssl.css slashcode_lite.css
[03:28:12] <NCommander> Bytram, none as far as I can tell
[03:27:47] <NCommander> fuck
[03:27:46] <NCommander> the
[03:27:46] <NCommander> What
[03:27:44] <NCommander> html-header;misc;default:[% IF file.ie_cond %][% END %]
[03:27:44] <NCommander> html-header;misc;default:[%- FOREACH file = css -%]
[03:26:35] <Bytram> I cannot think of one offhand... what is the difference between the two CSS files?
[03:26:03] <xlefay> Not at all
[03:25:44] <NCommander> Do we have a legit reason to have different CSS for SSL?
[03:25:17] <NCommander> What a load of fail this is
[03:23:57] <xlefay> I see
[03:23:19] <NCommander> xlefay, Yeah, the one that gave us a B or something
[03:22:48] <xlefay> yslow and such?
[03:22:39] <NCommander> xlefay, do you remember that site which rates us for things like cache control?
[03:22:04] <NCommander> but base doesn't have one
[03:22:01] <NCommander> They're generated when you feel through the cssraws
[03:21:51] <NCommander> I guess the SSL/non-SSL thing exists so you can have different CSS
[03:20:31] <NCommander> I don't get why they have java here
[03:20:26] <NCommander> xlefay, no, thats seperate
[03:19:46] <xlefay> heh seriously.. they used java for that
[03:19:31] <NCommander> # (JavaScript::Minifier is a requirement in the Slash bundle)
[03:19:31] <NCommander> # ...but if the globbed destination claims to be JavaScript, I'll also make a `minified' version
[03:19:31] <NCommander> # you can glob any kinds of files you like, even mixing them...
[03:19:24] <NCommander> :-P
[03:19:23] <NCommander> Doesn't work
[03:19:21] <NCommander> Slash is supposed to generate minified Javascript automagically
[03:19:11] <xlefay> I'm going to second that "don't want to know why"
[03:19:06] <NCommander> That's fucking lame
[03:19:04] <NCommander> Well
[03:18:44] <NCommander> xlefay, symlink-tool
[03:18:39] <xlefay> Where did you find that?
[03:18:28] <NCommander> I really don't want to know why
[03:18:24] <NCommander> $java = '/opt/dell/srvadmin/jre/bin/java';
[03:18:24] <NCommander> } elsif ( -f '/opt/dell/srvadmin/jre/bin/java' ) {
[03:18:24] <NCommander> $java = '/usr/java/jdk1.5.0_15/jre/bin/java';
[03:18:24] <NCommander> if ( -f '/usr/java/jdk1.5.0_15/jre/bin/java' ) {
[03:17:50] <paulej72> link the files at the htdocs directloy
[03:17:10] <NCommander> paulej72, I'm going to do a kludge to fix this
[03:16:49] <paulej72> same for the other css files
[03:16:32] <NCommander> THanks
[03:16:30] <NCommander> That fucking problem
[03:16:28] <NCommander> OH
[03:16:19] <paulej72> loding up base.ssl.css instead of just base.css
[03:16:18] * NCommander plugs nginx into apache directly bypassing varnish
[03:14:49] <NCommander> UGH
[03:14:48] <NCommander> why is SSL so fucking broken
[03:13:12] <Bytram> xlefay: both would make great Scrabble words! K and B and H are all higher scoring tiles... and both names have them!
[03:12:23] <paulej72> maybe
[03:12:17] <xlefay> btw, too many b's!
[03:12:05] <NCommander> paulej72, fixed
[03:12:04] <xlefay> no worries ;)
[03:11:56] <Bytram> my bad. Sorry!
[03:11:51] <Bytram> ugh. Both start with "K"!
[03:11:28] <xlefay> That was khyber rofl
[03:11:27] <Bytram> since lifted, IIRC
[03:11:20] <Bytram> Maybe I was misremembering then... thought he was the one who had a ban for threatened ddos?
[03:10:17] <xlefay> Kobach is second in command for IRC, why do you ask for him specifically if I may ask?
[03:09:37] <Bytram> xlefay: The IRC MOTD lists IRC staff members, was wondering what status of k oback was
[03:08:52] <paulej72> Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete.
[03:08:50] <xlefay> "That'll teach them non-SSL users!"
[03:08:32] <xlefay> paulej72, it's a feature, not a bug!
[03:08:07] <paulej72> http://dev.soylentnews.org is now saying it is not redirectin proplery
[03:07:18] <paulej72> seems ok now
[03:07:04] <NCommander> Which broke shit :-)
[03:07:02] <NCommander> paulej72, I fixed the ConnectionIsSSL check
[03:06:58] <Bytram> xlefay: THAT would be fun to sort... would need to explicitly set THREE different keys.
[03:06:21] <xlefay> 01.04.14 ftw.
[03:06:20] <paulej72> NCommander: i am getting an internal server error when i try to log in on dev.
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[03:05:17] <bytram|away> so why put the month ahead of the year in the "04.14" instead of "14.04" or, even better: "2014.04.01"
[03:04:56] <NCommander> bytram|away, in what base? :-)
[03:04:50] * NCommander found the SSL problem
[03:04:48] <NCommander> son of a biscuit
[03:04:44] <NCommander> *oh
[03:04:43] <NCommander> Of
[03:04:29] <bytram|away> NCommander: leading question: which is bigger? 31 or 24?
[03:03:36] * NCommander doesn't think to do it for 04.14 though
[03:03:26] <bytram|away> the "welcome box" for soylent news that appears in the upper right hand corner of the main page... only appears for ACs... logged on users do not see it
[03:03:16] <NCommander> paulej72, thoughts?
[03:03:11] <NCommander> So they can SSL by default and get a * next to their name
[03:03:05] <NCommander> And give all staff subscriptions
[03:02:57] <NCommander> paulej72, I'd like to enable the subscriber module ...
[03:02:45] <bytram|away> Hey, I was bad and forgot to report a UI bug...
[03:02:37] <NCommander> Debugging SSL ight now
[03:02:34] * NCommander cleaned out the bug tracker
[03:02:30] <bytram|away> wonderful!
[03:02:22] <paulej72> all of the latest stuff on dev, fixed some more stuff today and we closed a bucnh of bugs
[03:02:18] <NCommander> bytram|away, lots of shiny
[03:02:15] <bytram|away> I imagine it's mostly promoting the fixes you've made out into production?
[03:01:34] <bytram|away> paulej72: interesting! What's in it? anything I should be aware of?
[03:00:45] <paulej72> bytram|away: we are getting ready for a slash depoly on production for Tuesday
[02:59:55] <paulej72> NCommander: that would explain a lot on the testing I was doing trying to fix the missing p tags in the subs. I was updaing the perl modules but not doing a stop start of apache
[02:59:10] <NCommander> Me thinks we need a lock for the deploy script :-)
[02:58:59] <NCommander> paulej72, I'm deploying right now
[02:58:43] <paulej72> NCommander: do you want to redeply with the new merge? I just ran git pull on slashcode directory
[02:58:32] <NCommander> */lessons learned the hard way*
[02:58:10] <NCommander> paulej72, I did a slight change to your deploy script, you need to full stop apache, THEN start or perl modules don't get reloaded
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[02:56:16] * NCommander adds debug code and pops Apache
[02:54:13] * NCommander can now try to properly debug this
[02:54:08] <NCommander> Ok, SSL is working on dev like it does on prod
[02:53:37] <xlefay> Yes, we should do that, get rid of some load
[02:53:04] <NCommander> xlefay, this is why I want to terminate SSL on the loadbalncer
[02:52:50] <NCommander> xlefay, so config fixed
[02:52:25] <xlefay> regardless, SSL is our major weak point here methinks
[02:52:12] <xlefay> s/usage//
[02:52:03] <xlefay> Which doesn't matter because it's SSL, so it already uses more CPU usage
[02:51:38] <NCommander> xlefay, nginx should be doing rate li miting itself :-P
[02:51:35] <xlefay> And not to mention the CPU usage?
[02:51:25] <xlefay> If I were to point my AB on nginx, I could fuck both nginx, varnish & Apache up but not before the servers memory gets filled?
[02:50:45] <xlefay> SOOOO
[02:50:41] <NCommander> I remember it was rate limiting causing this issue
[02:50:34] <NCommander> if( (throttle.is_allowed("ip:" + client.ip, "7req/s") > 0s) && !req.http.X-SSL-On) {
[02:50:16] <NCommander> xlefay, Agreed
[02:50:13] * NCommander fixes another bug on varnish
[02:48:37] <xlefay> This is why we need some sort of version control for configs ;)
[02:48:13] <xlefay> Might be varnish, does it pass x-ssl-on through to slash?
[02:47:55] <NCommander> or the varnish config is wrong
[02:47:40] * NCommander tries to remember how he fixed this
[02:47:34] <NCommander> ugh
[02:47:33] <NCommander> xlefay, I might have merged it into a previous commit by accident
[02:47:07] <paulej72> NCommander: my fault commit and comment look similar and i thought I merged that but it did a comment and close.
[02:46:56] <xlefay> Unless, with commit you mean, just local changes without git being there?
[02:46:54] <NCommander> Nope
[02:46:41] <xlefay> In which case a git status or git log might help you find it
[02:46:19] <NCommander> fuck
[02:46:19] <NCommander> xlefay, I got that damn feeling its a local commit on the production branch
[02:46:01] <xlefay> just for good measures, we are sending the X-SSL-On header so, it can't be nginx itself
[02:45:33] <xlefay> I think you disabled a test that was conflicting with our installation but ehm
[02:45:06] <NCommander> on dev
[02:45:04] <NCommander> xlefay, I'm trying to remember how we fixed SSL mostly, because it doesn't work
[02:44:35] <NCommander> paulej72, https://github.com - need ACK
[02:43:17] <xlefay> Ah k, was ensuring I understood the word trivial correctly ;)
[02:43:03] <NCommander> xlefay, there's no easy way to get the article text from the RSS code
[02:42:51] <xlefay> "not simple"?
[02:42:51] <NCommander> fuck
[02:42:50] <NCommander> xlefay, looks like the commit didn't land properly
[02:42:30] <NCommander> xlefay, argh
[02:42:30] <paulej72> coccure
[02:42:09] <NCommander> xlefay, its not trivial. I've looked at it
[02:41:55] <xlefay> Can someone update the index.rss to include a small excerpt from the story? That's something a few people requested on IRC in the past
[02:41:10] <xlefay> http://dev.soylentnews.org
[02:41:04] <xlefay> correct
[02:41:02] <NCommander> Which page
[02:41:00] <NCommander> xlefay, on dev?
[02:40:53] <xlefay> nope, still here, varnish?
[02:40:46] <xlefay> ctrl+f5's
[02:40:33] <NCommander> button
[02:40:31] <xlefay> paulej72, that's much better imo
[02:40:31] <NCommander> xlefay, I removed the link
[02:40:24] <xlefay> Check availability still doesn't work I guess?
[02:40:15] <paulej72> tuned hover off per NCommander pervious request
[02:39:40] * xlefay isn't seeing a hover probably related to not-updated varnish stuff =p
[02:39:08] * NCommander updates dev's varnish file
[02:39:07] <xlefay> Ooh, guys, kudos for the "only 14 submissions in the queue"
[02:39:02] <NCommander> ah shit
[02:38:58] <paulej72> xlefay: my tabbed menus
[02:38:37] <xlefay> Which hover are we talking about now? :)
[02:38:13] * NCommander hates to be pendatic on this
[02:38:09] <NCommander> xlefay, I dunno, something still feels like its off ...
[02:37:59] * NCommander looks at the hover
[02:37:13] <NCommander> paulej72, doing deploy_slash causes messages to print out from update templates w.r.t. to the git commit
[02:36:45] <paulej72> what do you mean by that NCommander
[02:35:25] <NCommander> Looks like going cvs_tag did shit
[02:35:19] <NCommander> er paulej72
[02:35:14] <NCommander> | cvs_tag_currentcode | slashcode_04_14.9b1dae4 | The current cvs tag that the code was updated to - this does not affect site behavior but may be useful for your records |
[02:35:14] <NCommander> +---------------------+-------------------------+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
[02:35:14] <NCommander> xlefay, | name | value | description |
[02:35:07] <xlefay> mail is currently cacert'd & IRC would do the same initially
[02:34:32] <NCommander> xlefay, we can CACert on those, but users don't directly access those boxes often
[02:34:18] <NCommander> point made
[02:34:14] <NCommander> xlefay, ...
[02:33:53] <xlefay> mail.
[02:33:42] <xlefay> also irc. etc
[02:33:41] <NCommander> xlefay, we'll self-sign for onion, and that should cover that
[02:33:29] <NCommander> xlefay, we've only got soylentnews.org and dev, generating two free certs without a wildcard seems easily
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[02:28:18] <xlefay> ))
[02:28:13] <xlefay> I say, let's stick with the cacert till we've got an NFP & a new domain (if we do switch(
[02:25:54] <xlefay> The downside of getting a wildcard now is that it may be money that's being thrown away if we switch domains
[02:25:40] <mattie_p> NCommander, I'm about to eat dinner. what do you need from me before you set up the games server?
[02:25:31] <xlefay> Yeah, it's a bit unfortunate
[02:25:03] <Cyprus> looking for free * certs that work is kinda like unicorn hunting...
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[02:24:44] <xlefay> just read straight past it...
[02:24:36] <xlefay> fuck me, I missed the "has various advantages over the free"
[02:24:26] <xlefay> oh
[02:24:15] <NCommander> free looks like no wildcards
[02:24:11] <NCommander> xlefay, only for the $60 dollar certs
[02:23:48] <xlefay> Unless I misunderstand startssl does provide wildcards from that excerpt?
[02:23:27] <NCommander> on nexus'es
[02:23:24] <NCommander> We need the wildcard to make SSL work
[02:23:16] <NCommander> xlefay, even if it means !wildcard
[02:23:09] <NCommander> xlefay, lets use their free certificates for now
[02:22:46] <xlefay> Definitely
[02:22:41] <NCommander> xlefay, I'd like us to go EV once we're a NFP
[02:22:03] <NCommander> Hrm
[02:21:56] <NCommander> xlefay, oh, awesome
[02:21:17] <xlefay> For your earlier question
[02:21:14] <xlefay> StartSSL™ Verified has various advantages over the free, low-assurance (Class 1) certificates. They provide a level of flexibility usually not found elsewhere, being it for the sheer unlimited, possible combination of different domain names and sub domains within the same certificate or being it for the wild card options StartSSL™ Verified provides."
[02:21:14] <xlefay> "
[02:21:00] <xlefay> https://dev.soylentnews.org
[02:20:54] <xlefay> I linked before ha
[02:20:50] <xlefay> it's up
[02:20:43] <NCommander> xlefay, just get me nginx so I can try and debug the current SSL problems
[02:20:15] <xlefay> cool :D
[02:19:58] <NCommander> xlefay, well, making login redirect to a SSL page will do the trick
[02:19:41] <xlefay> Sure it's more secure, but can we counter that too?
[02:19:34] <xlefay> I like that, but how about browser extensions that might be listening in?
[02:18:51] <NCommander> Hash+server provided salt that is
[02:18:40] <NCommander> Hashing passwords locally, and then sending a hash vs. sending something in the clear
[02:18:24] <xlefay> Bootstrap empowers that as well
[02:18:23] <NCommander> For instance, one very good use of javascript:
[02:18:11] <NCommander> xlefay, the basic premise, it has to work with screen readers, it has to work without javascript (though we can use JS if need be)
[02:18:05] <paulej72> I have the guidlines, but I was waiting to get the faq files first. LaminatorX is working on the faq
[02:17:52] <NCommander> xlefay, I'm going to lie down guidelines for CSS and javascript once 14.04 goes out the door
[02:17:35] <xlefay> slashdot's B<censored> uses it as well.. but they did it wrong ;)
[02:17:35] <NCommander> I'm aware of it :-)
[02:17:32] <NCommander> THAT BOOTSTRAP
[02:17:30] <NCommander> OH
[02:17:22] <xlefay> NCommander, bootstrap is a CSS "framework"
[02:16:58] <NCommander> wiki.soylentnews.org/wiki/Submission_guidelines
[02:16:54] <NCommander> er
[02:16:53] <NCommander> paulej72, xlefay
[02:16:52] <NCommander> I think for the editoral FAQ, I'm just going to link to this page on the wiki:
[02:16:19] <NCommander> xlefay, "bootstrapped slashcode"?
[02:16:10] <xlefay> NCommander, no clue this seems to be the standard reply every day I think
[02:16:01] <xlefay> I really wish we just boostrapped slashcode but not like dice has done
[02:16:01] <NCommander> Great
[02:15:59] <NCommander> xlefay, so LDAP took a shit?
[02:15:25] <xlefay> I'm doing ldapsearch btw
[02:15:21] <xlefay> boron, etc..
[02:15:12] <xlefay> lithium
[02:15:04] <NCommander> xlefay, fuck, where?
[02:15:04] <paulej72> I need to create and issue ticket for that
[02:14:31] <paulej72> NCommander: it is the templates that are broken on submit pages. they use the standard gerneralbody and gerneraltitle backwards and nest them when they should no be.
[02:14:22] <xlefay> -.-
[02:14:20] <xlefay> ldap_sasl_interactive_bind_s: Can't contact LDAP server (-1)
[02:13:22] <NCommander> xlefay, I'll give him another week to return before I disabled his account
[02:13:03] <NCommander> the CSS is slightly broken on the submit page
[02:13:03] <xlefay> He hasn't been on in about 6 days so I'm rather curious
[02:13:00] <paulej72> I can fix it to be darker as the tabs on this page. http://dev.soylentnews.org Also I can get rid of the hover change as well. Just give me a few
[02:12:58] <NCommander> Ugh
[02:12:51] <NCommander> xlefay, I have no idea
[02:11:56] <xlefay> robind, did he resign is he on a vacation or something else?
[02:11:49] * NCommander closes https://github.com
[02:11:40] <xlefay> oh, btw has no-one seen my question "in the other channel"?
[02:11:35] <NCommander> paulej72, I can fiddle with the CSS if need be
[02:11:18] <paulej72> Never said I was a designer, I have been waiting for something to come to me to deploy
[02:11:15] <NCommander> w00t, we're down to just three release bugs for 14.04
[02:10:31] <xlefay> paulej72, I'm sorry but that grey is rather ugly
[02:09:50] * NCommander doesn't like the hover as it is now, and the font looks off
[02:09:38] <NCommander> xlefay, what do you think of the tabs here: http://dev.soylentnews.org
[02:09:09] <paulej72> with the intermidiates in the file it will work. it is not that hard to setup
[02:09:03] <NCommander> Unless you know someone who issues *.onion certificates :-)
[02:08:53] <xlefay> I don't want to click "I trust this"; and I'm sure a lot of others don't want to either.
[02:08:50] <NCommander> xlefay, for onion SSL, we need to self-sign
[02:08:36] <xlefay> I just want an actual signed SSL cert that's recognized by major browsers
[02:08:31] <NCommander> I had high hopes, but they never got their act together
[02:08:22] <NCommander> paulej72, cacerts is pretty pointless ATM :-/
[02:08:18] <xlefay> paulej72, I really don't want to bother with all that crap to be honest
[02:08:16] <NCommander> We had an intermediate, but until we pushed a ca-certificates update w/ that
[02:08:12] <paulej72> We use cacerts at Princeton and I have done it both ways depending on what prog I was adding a key to.
[02:08:04] * NCommander notes we had that problem with Canonical for awhile
[02:07:29] <paulej72> Some programs you can also tell to use both the host cert and the intermediates
[02:07:02] <paulej72> xlefay: you can create certs that have the intermediates in the same file as the server cert
[02:06:58] <NCommander> xlefay, does startssl issue free wildcard certs?
[02:06:42] <NCommander> heh
[02:06:40] <xlefay> I know, you linked that launchpad link to me ;)
[02:06:33] <xlefay> Most definitely, preferably - a wildcard one.
[02:06:31] <NCommander> xlefay, that was the ca-certificates update two days ago
[02:06:25] <NCommander> xlefay, Ubuntu JUST removed them
[02:06:20] <xlefay> only a few OS'es have their CA in their list (by default)...
[02:06:16] <NCommander> xlefay, agreed. DO we want to just buy a real SSL certificate or?
[02:05:58] <xlefay> Those cacerts are worthless tbh
[02:05:37] <NCommander> Pulling and rolling out
[02:05:31] <NCommander> xlefay, haven't rolled out yet
[02:05:30] <paulej72> 115 merged
[02:05:27] <NCommander> paulej72, I apologize if you've been blocking on me
[02:05:26] <xlefay> https://dev.soylentnews.org
[02:05:21] <NCommander> yay for absurdly fast slash dev
[02:04:07] <paulej72> New pull request for you. I’ll look at 115 now
[02:03:45] <NCommander> paulej72, https://github.com - when you're ready :-)
[01:59:36] <xlefay> Thanks :)
[01:59:11] <NCommander> paulej72, pull request sent for submit poll
[01:56:56] <paulej72> xlefay: look at the links on about.shtml and let me know what you want there.
[01:55:48] <xlefay> YAY!!
[01:55:39] <NCommander> WITH FIRE
[01:55:38] <NCommander> xlefay, thanks, I want to kill this SSL bug
[01:54:57] <xlefay> yep will do that
[01:53:44] <NCommander> Looks good
[01:53:38] <NCommander> paulej72, deployed
[01:53:14] <NCommander> xlefay, do you want to do me a favor, and setup nginx for SSL termination on dev?
[01:52:16] <xlefay> and yes, it should be a http link :)
[01:52:04] <NCommander> xlefay, paulej72: deploying
[01:52:04] <xlefay> I was thinking about a portal, but a page on SN would be nicer, note: this doesn't have to be straight away, can be in the future
[01:51:45] <xlefay> paulej72, would it be an idea to have a page for IRC on SN? e.g. one that lists the IRC server and stuff, but also the a link to the webchat & links to information?
[01:51:30] <NCommander> xlefay, merging
[01:51:20] <paulej72> xlefay: you want that as http:chat
[01:51:03] <xlefay> paulej72, thank you ;-)
[01:50:54] <paulej72> xlefay: I’ll fix that now
[01:50:41] <paulej72> NCommander: fixed typo and new pull request
[01:50:00] <xlefay> NCommander, "Internal Server Error" oops?
[01:49:44] <xlefay> Ooh, I'm liking the sign in already ;)
[01:49:34] <xlefay> ooh ehm, paulej72, did you get the sidebar link to IRC fixed? It shouldn't be sylnt.us but chat.soylentnews.org
[01:48:45] <xlefay> Yep, I understand
[01:48:13] <NCommander> xlefay, we're kinda going to try and rush this out the door for April 1st
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[01:46:39] <paulej72> yes a sing $ that I forgot to add, le me fix it and pull again
[01:45:39] <NCommander> paulej72, http://dev.soylentnews.org - titles are a bit off :-)
[01:44:58] <paulej72> that is what I am missing —onto
[01:44:51] <NCommander> paulej72, I'll pull the production database in a bit to run through the updates
[01:44:33] <NCommander> paulej72, you can make rebase do what you want with interactive and --onto
[01:44:07] <paulej72> OK should be good to go
[01:43:50] <paulej72> Hate how rebase does not really rebase but makes some new commits ahead of the old ones
[01:43:42] <NCommander> paulej72, doing a clean deploy of master on dev
[01:43:20] <NCommander> :-P
[01:43:05] * paulej72 is not commenting
[01:42:10] * NCommander is an ID10T :-/
[01:42:02] <NCommander> oops
[01:42:02] <NCommander> ugh
[01:42:00] <NCommander> And part of my moderation fixes didn't get merged
[01:41:55] <paulej72> I was woking off my branch which should be commited now. that was your commits for thre redone mod_or_post fix I think
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[01:41:10] * NCommander does a clean checkout on lithium of current master
[01:40:50] <NCommander> + e592de7cb9a453ca6128a8146dd039bc4736b010 Spelling mistake
[01:40:50] <NCommander> + 212cb4da7161a7ccc91fe56fe2ecf8a023419749 Updates to add subs_level var.
[01:40:50] <NCommander> + edfccbdafbd8b65443267a76beb6d5773169cffb Add number of subs to message to template
[01:40:50] <NCommander> paulej72, slash@lithium:~/src/slashcode$ git cherry -v
[01:40:17] <NCommander> paulej72, er, sorry, you've got commits there that aren't in upstream, reports we're five commits ahead
[01:39:09] <paulej72> I was testing your code you can stash them and over wirte if needed.
[01:38:36] <NCommander> paulej72, you've got some uncommitted commits on lithium
[01:38:28] <NCommander> paulej72, I think we can chuck it
[01:38:14] <paulej72> NCommander: is there any reason to keep the live branch on slashcode? Seem like it is old
[01:36:52] <NCommander> paulej72, k
[01:36:46] <paulej72> NCommander: 107 was a quick fix so I think we can include it in 04_14
[01:34:28] <paulej72> New Pull request to fix 107.
[01:32:35] <NCommander> paulej72, ok, *phew*, everything targetting against milestones for shit we want to do
[01:29:39] <NCommander> paulej72, merged
[01:28:22] <NCommander> paulej72, reviewing
[01:18:10] <paulej72> NCommander: 44 still vailid I have not had a chance to fix. New Pull request to fix 63.
[01:15:23] <NCommander> paulej72, https://github.com - still valid?
[01:08:55] <NCommander> The bug tracker looking much happier
[00:51:28] <NCommander> no funpika ...
[00:49:31] <NCommander> paulej72, I'm trying to get things sorted against milestones
[00:49:18] <paulej72> NCommander: looks like you are making progress. I am working on Issue 63 right now
[00:48:39] * NCommander is trying to clean out our bug DB without going mad
[00:48:32] <NCommander> paulej72, working on it
[00:48:03] <paulej72> NCommander: new pull request for db files that need updated
[00:41:08] <NCommander> paulej72, I want to keep it as it will be useful for edge
[00:39:49] <paulej72> NCommander: I would say close 79 and the powered by stuff is all in the indexHead template, that is still part of the code, we can delete it if you think, but I would like to keep it for now
[00:37:52] <NCommander> paulej72, I'm not sure which one it is, I need to dig through it
[00:37:45] <NCommander> paulej72, https://github.com - can I close this
[00:33:29] <paulej72> you mentioned the powered-by var. I do not see this
[00:33:00] <NCommander> paulej72, not that I'm aware of
[00:32:51] <paulej72> Ncommander do you know of any other vars or db changes that need to be made. I am getting the upgrades file updated
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[00:26:33] <NCommander> paulej72, I'm going to create a slashcode_06.14 milestone, and get bugs we have to fix between then and now marked against it
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[00:18:31] <paulej72> Yes some of thoes I was not sure if they were still valid when I brought them over from FF.
[00:17:46] <NCommander> paulej72, I'm cleaning out old bugs so we have a better idea on what the big issues are
[00:11:44] <paulej72> NCommander: I can see that my emial is going postal on me
[00:11:05] <NCommander> Want to get an idea what's left
[00:11:01] <NCommander> paulej72, I'm cleaning out the bug database
[00:10:57] <NCommander> paulej72, hrm
[00:09:49] <paulej72> My account was doing it, and I could tigger it with tz change with other home page setting changes.
[00:09:07] * NCommander really wishes we could reproduce that one reliably
[00:09:01] <NCommander> paulej72, its only affecting logged in users
[00:08:33] <paulej72> that is the stale home page for some users bug. I was hping the varnish updates would have fixed that but it does not look like it
[00:07:53] <paulej72> issue 86 is the only thing that is really pressing
[00:07:35] <NCommander> And the main site goes to 14.04.1, etc.
[00:07:27] <NCommander> My thought is if there's major functionality we need to add, we can backport to 14.04 and do a point release
[00:07:11] <NCommander> paulej72, do we feel that's there's anything pressing we need to get in this release of slashcode?
[00:06:51] <paulej72> put them in the db files that is
[00:06:33] <paulej72> I have some other db updates that I need to do for past work I did so I can throw thoes updes in with thoes.
[00:05:45] * NCommander thinks we should change the name from slashcode, but that discussion can wait
[00:05:32] <NCommander> paulej72, we should probably change the Powered-By variable
[00:05:13] <NCommander> paulej72, git tag, git push --all
[00:05:02] <paulej72> NCommander: I am not sure how to tag the code on github with a release. I do now how to change the var.
[00:04:48] <mattie_p> oh, so plenty of stuff to reveal on Tuesday than. That should be nice
[00:04:47] <NCommander> s/up/down/g
[00:04:37] * NCommander notes the varnish cache can keep the main page while slash is up
[00:04:19] <NCommander> paulej72, I'll offline the site and do those when we upgrade
[00:04:09] <NCommander> paulej72, we can tag it for slashcode_04_14, and release
[00:04:09] <paulej72> NCommander: yes there is, but we have a few db updates that need manually done.
[00:03:38] <NCommander> There's a lot of good shit in there
[00:03:33] <NCommander> paulej72, I'd actually like to roll out the current dev code to production on Tuesday
[00:03:19] <NCommander> mattie_p, I don't mind if its here, I was just being silly :-)
[00:03:08] <mattie_p> I don't care, the mud really doesn't belong on #staff anyway.
[00:03:02] <NCommander> paulej72, lets glue our heads together and think
[00:02:20] <paulej72> he likes to kick people on ## from time to time
[00:01:32] <paulej72> kobach
[00:01:06] <NCommander> kobatch?
[00:01:00] <paulej72> I thought kobatch was getting crazy again
[00:00:42] <mattie_p> I guess that works
[00:00:37] <NCommander> :-)
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[00:00:15] <NCommander> Up down up down left right left right b a start!