#staff | Logs for 2014-03-30

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[23:59:33] <SoylentMUD> mattie_p parries the blow! NCommander is in good condition. (MUD\Mattie)
[23:59:03] * NCommander beats mattie_p with a spiked club
[23:58:55] <mattie_p> :)
[23:58:52] <mattie_p> NCommander, you did ask to be in charge, didn't you?
[23:57:19] <NCommander> Ugh, so much to do
[23:56:05] <NCommander> paulej72, we define our update proceedures
[23:53:42] <paulej72> we just need tp apply these updates to production at some point.
[23:52:36] <NCommander> paulej72, we're getting a pretty good workflow going here
[23:52:29] <NCommander> paulej72, looks good, merged
[23:51:45] <NCommander> paulej72, looking
[23:50:58] <paulej72> NCommander: I merged your updated and added one I was working on. Can you take a look if you have time
[23:50:12] <mattie_p> NCommander cool, mostly because its ready. in a few minutes we can talk offline on what you need me to do. I tested it on the dev VM, in fact, that's what its running on right now
[23:48:44] <NCommander> mattie_p, I'm happy w/ running whatever you want
[23:34:22] <mattie_p> any ideas on what port we should use for the MUD? by default it uses 9000, but I'm not picky, if there is something we'd prefer to use I'm game
[23:31:47] <mattie_p> yup
[23:31:38] <SoylentMUD> testing. SoylentMUD needed voice, I think (MUD\Mattiep)
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[23:31:14] <mattie_p> .voice SoylentMUD
[23:29:16] <mattie_p> I guess I could just remove the timeout code, that might stagnate sockets, tho, no idea on long-term impact
[23:28:50] <mattie_p> well, remember that MUDS are mostly telnet-based, nothing like that in there
[23:28:36] <xlefay> I gotta run, I'll look more at the cost-benefit scenario of Icinga later, ciao
[23:27:05] <xlefay> :<
[23:26:55] <mattie_p> the mud doesn't do ping/pong stuff
[23:26:46] <mattie_p> xlefay I'd have to add it to the wizlist so it won't timeout
[23:25:03] <mattie_p> Hi, audioguy!
[23:25:02] <xlefay> Well, I suppose that is a small obstacle, but it can recursively do nothing!
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[23:24:32] <mattie_p> xlefay, the whole point of nerdrpg is to do nothing. not sure how that would work
[23:24:11] <mattie_p> anyway, I'm not familiar with the MUSH codebase, you'd have to get someone else to administer it
[23:24:08] <xlefay> mattie_p, to come full circle, we need nerdrpg to play MUD
[23:23:25] <mattie_p> anyway, "NCommander of course, a game playing a game? yes we do recursion around here"
[23:23:22] <xlefay> s/for/on/
[23:22:50] <mattie_p> oops, think I broke MSG
[23:22:40] <xlefay> I should switch nerdrpg to beerrpg for april 1st
[23:22:06] <NCommander> now you ned a idlerpg in the MUD itself
[23:20:52] <NCommander> I noticed the bot also is on idlerpg
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[23:20:03] <NCommander> ;-)
[23:20:01] <NCommander> mattie_p, we can always add a MUSH
[23:19:35] <mattie_p> its what I'm most familiar with, I can work on expanding capabilities later
[23:19:20] <mattie_p> its something, anyway
[23:19:10] <NCommander> Whatever you came up w/ will be fine
[23:19:03] * NCommander shakes his head
[23:19:00] <NCommander> Users can make objects, then get objects to do stuff via forth programming
[23:18:28] <mattie_p> I'm not familiar with tinymuck
[23:18:19] <NCommander> aka,, second-life but text
[23:18:11] <mattie_p> remember, this is really retro
[23:18:10] <NCommander> mattie_p, I'm used to tinymuck more than traditional MUDs
[23:17:48] <mattie_p> NCommander there is some programming to allow mobs to interact with players, but it all needs to be added in a custom language, so far as I can tell
[23:17:18] <mattie_p> NCommander online creation is a custom command-line interface
[23:16:35] <NCommander> mattie_p, I meant for user scripts or such
[23:16:18] <mattie_p> paulej72 I need to add those in a nerd zone
[23:16:08] <mattie_p> and now IRC integration
[23:16:02] <mattie_p> but I've added in color codes, OLC (which is online creation, so that people can add areas without having to ftp), copyover (allowing for hot code updates without dropping links)
[23:15:58] <paulej72> mattie_p: are there any grues
[23:15:45] <mattie_p> NCommander, I thought I told you it was in c
[23:15:27] <NCommander> FORTH??
[23:15:24] <NCommander> what's the programming language?
[23:14:56] <mattie_p> its still stock, as in the zones are "stock" - no custom areas.
[23:14:38] <xlefay> I've worked quite a bit on it hehe, I'm looking for a cost-effective solution ;)
[23:14:32] <mattie_p> ready for upload
[23:14:25] <paulej72> hows the mud doing
[23:14:11] <mattie_p> hi paulej72!
[23:14:01] <paulej72> hey mattie_p
[23:13:52] * NCommander notes you've been exceedingly busy!
[23:13:49] <mattie_p> heya folks
[23:13:44] <NCommander> hrm
[23:13:22] <xlefay> That would mean two servers using the same resources & both notifying when stuff goes wrong
[23:13:05] <xlefay> (and keep resources light)
[23:13:00] <NCommander> xlefay, hrm ... just sync the icinga install and run it at both at the same time :-)
[23:12:21] <xlefay> I don't want to over complicate it; thus why I'm thinking a simple cron
[23:11:40] <xlefay> ine for XX minutes
[23:11:40] <xlefay> Ok so, one concern I have is, what if Boron goes down, what then? So I was thinking, of having Carbon (since it already has PostgreSQL) as a backup server, have a cron run every X minutes checking if Boron's still alive otherwise start up an Icinga installation there (which has a local copy of Boron's config, not quite sure how to effectively keep this in sync yet, maybe the AFS stuff can help with this) - and auto shut off when Boron's been onl
[23:11:37] <NCommander> ... float the idea man :-P
[23:10:51] <xlefay> e.g. floating an idea and getting feedback/suggestions/improvements
[23:10:11] <NCommander> xlefay, what needs picking?
[23:09:35] <xlefay> (and, each 30 minutes, we're also checking our zone @ linode, if something goes wrong there, least we'll get an alert out quickly!)
[23:09:03] <NCommander> xlefay, sure
[23:08:40] <xlefay> hehe, I know how that feels like ;) Can I pick your brain about a small matter regarding monitoring?
[23:08:21] <xlefay> We're also now monitoring each servers DNS record, in case someone or something fucks up, we'll get notified if a record is missing which may cause weird issues
[23:08:04] * NCommander is fighting cigarette urges
[23:07:41] <NCommander> xlefay, very sweet
[23:07:31] <xlefay> Still quite a bit missing but it's getting along so nicely!
[23:06:19] <xlefay> paulej72, wasn't sleeping, was just gone for a bit. | NCommander: Ok, thought I read something about that earlier but wasn't sure, did you take a look at Icinga? ;D
[22:58:44] <NCommander> paulej72, well, I think part of it is perl is choking on handing unicode
[22:58:05] <paulej72> may*
[22:57:58] <paulej72> my need to disable the approveTags sub in Data.pm
[22:57:00] <NCommander> paulej72, my guess is its trying to decode something it shouldn't
[22:56:45] <NCommander> paulej72, yeah, slash still hung up
[22:55:46] <paulej72> did you disable draconian_charrefs at the same time
[22:54:40] <paulej72> yes what is it
[22:54:31] <NCommander> paulej72, 'utf8' appears to be necessary but enabling it doesn't fix shit
[22:54:17] <NCommander> paulej72, so I did some digging into the Unicode thing, turns out there's yet another missing variable
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[22:47:58] <paulej72> I think I’ll sit by instead
[22:47:38] <paulej72> I think I
[22:47:13] <NCommander> stand by
[22:47:11] <NCommander> paulej72, I'm going to rebase this into one commit
[22:46:08] <paulej72> not update sorry
[22:45:57] <paulej72> sql/mysql/upgrades
[22:45:17] <NCommander> paulej72, ?
[22:41:36] <paulej72> update needs fixed as well
[22:40:21] <NCommander> paulej72, fixed
[22:38:37] * NCommander opens thunderbird
[22:38:24] <NCommander> paulej72, no
[22:36:24] <paulej72> NCommander: did yoiu get my note on your pull request?
[22:35:32] <paulej72> NCommander: xlefay is sleeping
[22:34:48] <NCommander> xlefay, pong, it has issues
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[20:24:30] <janrinok> This is a very quiet Sunday evening....
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[14:38:33] <xlefay> Slash doesn't deal properly with IPv6 on the frontend?
[14:38:14] <xlefay> NCommander, ping
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[13:13:53] * xlefay is so glad we're monitoring NTP too, when there's weird breakage and the time is off, that'll be the first thing to fix in my book
[13:13:30] <xlefay> It was installed but even while running, it didn't actually properly sync.
[13:13:20] <xlefay> Oxygen had a weird ntp config :/
[12:53:09] * NCommander wanted to do more but eh, fuck it
[12:53:03] <NCommander> paulej72, review and merge please: https://github.com
[12:52:58] * NCommander will debug this later
[12:52:55] <NCommander> xlefay, not yet
[12:41:27] <xlefay> So shit broke?
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[12:00:53] <NCommander> This UTF-8 bug is madding
[12:00:50] <janrinok> NCommander: you did a lot more after I left yesterday and it looks an impressive document. But, personal obligations call so I'll be back in about a hour or so!
[11:59:57] <MrBluze> .. after the name vote
[11:59:47] <MrBluze> which means we need to do a bit of marketing
[11:59:37] <MrBluze> users vs. time is a classic asymptotic curve
[11:58:22] <janrinok> not surprised - take a break with some coding, a change is as good as a rest, so they say.
[11:58:06] <NCommander> janrinok, http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[11:57:50] <NCommander> janrinok, very slowly
[11:53:52] <janrinok> How did the legal write-up go so far?
[11:52:27] <janrinok> I'll have to think about that again... :) I've lost an hours sleep and it has slowed my grey matter to the speed of long-deceased snail crawling through molasses.
[11:51:04] <NCommander> Otherwise, the reverse is true
[11:51:00] <NCommander> janrinok, good_entity is used as a whitelist when dracoian is enabled
[11:50:06] <janrinok> I struggled with it anyway, I couldn't decide the meaning or function of good_entity, bad_entity, entity. For example, which one controls the direction of text?
[11:48:06] * NCommander notes modern web browsers and lynx handle UTF-8 pretty well
[11:47:56] <NCommander> Or at least it has become
[11:47:53] <NCommander> So this is pure idiotcy
[11:47:47] <NCommander> Right
[11:40:16] <NCommander> # For more information, see
[11:40:16] <NCommander> # entities that change the direction of text are forbidden.
[11:40:16] <NCommander> # At the moment, unless the "draconian" rule is set, only
[11:37:38] <NCommander> This check looks broken
[11:37:35] <NCommander> http://pastebin.ca
[11:36:19] <NCommander> not that its listed on CPAN
[11:36:14] <NCommander> appears its not private
[11:36:11] <NCommander> Hrm
[11:36:10] <NCommander> corresponding entities (and vice versa, respectively).
[11:36:10] <NCommander> hashes, which contain the mapping from all characters to the
[11:36:10] <NCommander> The module can also export the %char2entity and the %entity2char
[11:35:34] <janrinok> Is it an 'easy' fix - knowing that no fix is that easy..
[11:35:10] <NCommander> janrinok, if they used an older version of HTML::Entities, they should be ok
[11:35:08] <MrBluze> more than likely, janrinok
[11:34:54] <janrinok> I wonder if the other site has/had the same problem?
[11:34:39] <NCommander> janrinok, I'm not sure, but its not a public API, they shouldn't be using it
[11:34:26] <janrinok> NCommander: Oops - how long back did the API change?
[11:33:47] <NCommander> no wonder UTF-8 spikes the damn processor
[11:33:40] <NCommander> Slash (ab)uses a private API which changed
[11:33:31] <NCommander> That's fucking awesome
[11:33:28] <NCommander> Well
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[11:10:39] <MrBluze> daylight savings ? stale cookies ?
[11:10:25] <NCommander> But meh
[11:10:22] <NCommander> MrBluze, I'm confused
[11:09:59] <MrBluze> odd thing was janrinok's account was dead on the dev server as well
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[11:08:24] <NCommander> maybe
[11:08:23] * NCommander found a fix for the utf-8 issue
[11:08:19] <NCommander> Slash/Utility/Data/Data.pm
[11:08:18] <NCommander> FUCK
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[10:45:54] <NCommander> ^- from Apache's error log
[10:45:50] <NCommander> Parsing of undecoded UTF-8 will give garbage when decoding entities at /srv/soylentnews.org/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.1/x86_64-linux/HTML/PullParser.pm line 81.
[10:45:50] <NCommander> paulej72, BTW Parsing of undecoded UTF-8 will give garbage when decoding entities at /srv/soylentnews.org/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.1/x86_64-linux/HTML/PullParser.pm line 81.
[10:36:08] <janrinok> go for it - I can;'t use it!
[10:35:55] <NCommander> janrinok, I'm going to hijack your account on dev and see if I can figure out what happened
[10:35:48] <janrinok> others have logged in OK
[10:35:27] <NCommander> That probably broke half the fucking site
[10:35:18] <janrinok> well put
[10:35:11] <NCommander> janrinok, shit
[10:34:57] <janrinok> cleared cookies, rebooted, tried changing tz - but nothing seems to work, any ideas?
[10:34:17] <janrinok> The system accepts my username and password but treats me as AC and does not give me editor options
[10:33:47] <janrinok> tz changed overnight to summer time.
[10:33:32] <janrinok> NCommander: i cannot log into the main or dev sites
[10:33:22] <NCommander> Moderator^Post is now a configuration option
[10:33:13] * NCommander needed a break
[10:33:09] * NCommander is fiddling with slash
[10:33:05] <NCommander> MrBluze, pong
[10:32:31] <janrinok> I'll fire up another machine and see if I can get on that way
[10:32:23] <MrBluze> NCommander: ping
[10:32:20] <MrBluze> bbiab
[10:32:18] <MrBluze> .. okay
[10:32:16] <MrBluze> or your subnet
[10:32:09] <janrinok> you do what you have to do. It seems like it only affects a few people.
[10:32:06] <MrBluze> chewing up your cookies or something
[10:31:56] <MrBluze> if it's dev and main site, it will be your browser imho
[10:31:37] <MrBluze> try via tor or something
[10:31:34] <MrBluze> hmm
[10:31:14] <janrinok> good, I'm not yet a non-person
[10:31:01] <MrBluze> you are there
[10:30:57] <janrinok> Ok have a good one
[10:30:38] <janrinok> no I have no access to my user page. You could always look at soylentnews.org/~janrinok and see it you can see it.
[10:30:24] <MrBluze> urgh i gtg
[10:29:02] <MrBluze> am i able to check your account or anything?
[10:27:59] <MrBluze> hmm
[10:27:47] <janrinok> cookies cleared - still no go
[10:27:05] <MrBluze> afaik u should be still ok?
[10:26:47] <janrinok> yes I cannot log on to the main or dev sites. It accepts my username and pw but treats me like a AC and no editor options. My tz changed to Summer Time overnight. No other changes that I can see
[10:26:30] <MrBluze> clear your cookies and all that
[10:26:06] <MrBluze> i logged in ok
[10:25:17] <MrBluze> problem?
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[10:22:00] <janrinok> anyone here - we have a problem
[10:21:34] <janrinok> ping xlefay
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[09:49:43] <janrinok> ping
[09:48:50] <janrinok> Hello anyone from sys here?
[09:47:18] <janrinok> hello - is anyone awake?
[09:46:53] <janrinok> Same for the dev site too.
[09:44:36] <janrinok> xlefay: ^^
[09:43:50] <janrinok> Perhaps I have been thrown out in to the cold...
[09:42:50] <janrinok> hi guys - anybody know why I can't log in to the main site. It accepts my username/password but treats me as an AC and does not show my editing options. The only change at this end is that the clocks have changed for Summer Time
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[08:25:15] <NCommander> paulej72, ... I think we should cherry pick the nagger
[08:20:01] * NCommander keeps banging on this
[08:11:24] <NCommander> shit
[08:11:23] <NCommander> sub/comments: 0.0% of the submissions came from comment posters from this day
[08:11:12] * NCommander sighs
[08:11:11] <NCommander> submissions: 8 submissions
[08:11:11] <NCommander> comments: 213 posted yesterday
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[05:47:39] <mrcoolbp> GOODNINGHT!
[05:23:21] * mrcoolbp was running on fumes but they are dissapating
[05:23:09] <mrcoolbp> thanks guys, I really do need to get some sleep
[05:22:49] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: will do, paulej72, I'll follow up with him on that
[05:22:18] <paulej72> whoswho uese a sylnt.us shortend url. Landon could fix that url to the correct one
[05:22:15] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, put redirects on the wiki for now
[05:20:14] * mrcoolbp is wondering if he should just fix these and submit a pull request...
[05:19:37] <mrcoolbp> and the "who's who" link is the same deal: should be http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[05:18:56] <NCommander> paulej72, it will get fixed once we have a formal release
[05:18:42] * NCommander MIGHT have nuked that change by accident then
[05:18:35] <NCommander> paulej72, ah, ok
[05:18:30] <paulej72> NCommander: I have changed the indentation on some of the files as the orginal files were poorly indented
[05:18:22] <mrcoolbp> uh...link to IRC goes to a removed header on wiki main page, should be http://wiki.soylentnews.org but it's not a huge deal
[05:18:14] <NCommander> paulej72, oops >.<;
[05:17:38] <paulej72> NCommander now we got the older version of the organization template. fab16 was new than the one in c321 commit. Thats why cherry picking can sometimes be unproductive
[05:15:20] * mrcoolbp looks
[05:15:09] <NCommander> Does it look "right" now?
[05:15:02] <NCommander> paulej72, mrcoolbp: deployed
[05:14:51] <NCommander> paulej72, the conflict I merged was caused by indentation in the template being different causing git to require manual merging
[05:14:39] * mrcoolbp whacks self
[05:14:12] <paulej72> NCommander: I am not sure what you mean by watch the indentation.
[05:13:37] <NCommander> paulej72, I'm fixing it now
[05:13:22] <paulej72> NCommander: that template was updated in the c321 commit, but should not have been applied without the other fixes.
[05:13:18] <NCommander> paulej72, BTW, can you please watch the indentation when you commit? It makes cherry picks difficult and puts noise in git :-/ (I haven't been whacking people for this, I need to)
[05:11:57] <mrcoolbp> thanks paulej72 and Ncommander!
[05:11:49] <mrcoolbp> well the about page looks right anyway
[05:10:48] <NCommander> appears Slash just saved our bacon
[05:10:40] <NCommander> I miscommitted something
[05:10:36] <NCommander> shit
[05:10:18] <NCommander> WTF
[05:10:16] <NCommander> ERROR: apparent CVS conflict notification string in /srv/soylentnews.org/slashcode/themes/slashcode/templates/userboxes;misc;default, skipping, use -s if you really want this
[05:10:04] * mrcoolbp furiously reloads the page
[05:09:56] <mrcoolbp> sweeet.....
[05:09:46] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, I'm pushing out now
[05:08:10] <mrcoolbp> I'm gonna take off in a bit
[05:08:01] * mrcoolbp needs to get some sleep
[05:06:20] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: thanks!
[05:04:08] <mrcoolbp> heh
[05:02:39] <MrBluze> but we've made a good start
[05:02:32] <paulej72> by the way, I have gotten better at doing commits with git recently and I stopped commitng multiple differnt files (still commit my css files togeter and stuff like that)
[05:02:28] <MrBluze> we haven't made a huge impact
[05:02:17] <MrBluze> not yet, no one is
[05:02:10] <mrcoolbp> well yeah, but I don't know of any other obvious persons intent on making us look bad
[05:00:39] <MrBluze> +m
[05:00:37] <MrBluze> it might be hi
[04:59:13] <mrcoolbp> he spends a lot of time here trying to "expose" us or whatever for someone who "doesn't care anymore"
[04:58:50] <mrcoolbp> I'm sure it's khyber
[04:58:39] * NCommander is talking to the first one, and the second one isn't banned
[04:58:30] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, Ok, there are two seperate IPs
[04:58:01] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: it's a good reply
[04:57:58] <paulej72> I did update the links in about.shtm in https://github.com but It has changes to two others files that are not needed yet. NCommander can you pull just that one file from that commit.
[04:57:57] <MrBluze> there will be FUD
[04:57:42] * NCommander checks the IP log
[04:57:21] <NCommander> or outright fiction
[04:57:15] <NCommander> I've done things that deserve criticism. I'm not going to be slandered by an AC sporting halftruths
[04:56:47] <MrBluze> i haven't banned anyone yet for anything
[04:56:39] <MrBluze> NCommander: .. yes, fair enough
[04:56:12] <mrcoolbp> refresh
[04:56:06] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: it's working for me
[04:55:43] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, they're missing on the production page :-/
[04:54:59] <mrcoolbp> oh
[04:54:56] <mrcoolbp> I'm just happy the slash includes are back, it was killing me (I ripped them out somehow)
[04:54:53] <NCommander> ^- mrcoolbp MrBluze
[04:54:49] <NCommander> http://soylentnews.org
[04:54:32] <mrcoolbp> nah, not at all
[04:51:43] * NCommander feels the troll
[04:51:06] <mrcoolbp> np paulej72, it's still a huge improvement = )
[04:49:28] <mrcoolbp> that one looks right
[04:49:13] <mrcoolbp> http://dev.soylentnews.org
[04:48:58] <paulej72> sorry I fogot to update them. I can push out a fix asap
[04:48:06] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: working for me (minus above)
[04:47:27] * mrcoolbp sighs deep
[04:47:23] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: and the buglinks still go to forceforge
[04:47:08] <NCommander> Who forgot the magic
[04:47:05] <NCommander> ...
[04:47:02] <NCommander> It broke
[04:47:00] <NCommander> http://soylentnews.org
[04:46:40] <mrcoolbp> = )
[04:46:36] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: I thought you were going to fix that?
[04:46:25] <mrcoolbp> fuck the forums are in there
[04:46:01] <NCommander> Deployed to production
[04:44:48] <NCommander> deploying
[04:44:33] <mrcoolbp> awesome, thanks
[04:44:11] <NCommander> ^- mrcoolbp
[04:44:09] <NCommander> paulej72, cherry-picked for soylent-production
[04:41:22] <paulej72> 02e9
[04:40:32] <NCommander> paulej72, which version is the newer one?
[04:39:37] <NCommander> paulej72, I merged 02e9 first
[04:39:18] <paulej72> NCommander: try 0309 first
[04:38:10] <mrcoolbp> ?
[04:37:41] <NCommander> Ugh
[04:37:40] <NCommander> hint: after resolving the conflicts, mark the corrected paths
[04:37:40] <NCommander> error: could not apply 02e9525... Minor html bug fixes to static pages
[04:36:15] <mrcoolbp> nice
[04:36:07] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, paulej72: thanks, cherrypicking
[04:33:24] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: thanks, that about page is killing me...
[04:33:00] <paulej72> NCommander: you may want this one as well https://github.com
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[04:28:08] <paulej72> NCommander: https://github.com
[04:27:28] <paulej72> NCommander: https://github.com
[04:26:35] -!- Cyprus [Cyprus!~Cyprus@68.63.ljr.ppx] has joined #staff
[04:26:14] * mrcoolbp is feeling relatively accomplished and makes self a drink
[04:24:32] <paulej72> OK I’ll look for thoes commits
[04:24:24] <MrBluze> baby steps
[04:24:23] <mrcoolbp> yeah you know what I mean
[04:24:17] <mrcoolbp> er uh
[04:24:12] <mrcoolbp> I fell you
[04:24:07] * NCommander sighs
[04:24:05] <NCommander> way too much work
[04:24:01] <mrcoolbp> no problem!
[04:23:57] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, thanks
[04:23:53] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: LaminatorX is working on the FAQ page as well, I'll let you know
[04:23:51] <NCommander> or paulej72 can tell me which ones to cherrypick :-)
[04:23:45] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, I need to find the git commits and I'll do a cherrypick
[04:23:27] <mrcoolbp> htdocs
[04:23:21] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: yes, paule put both pages in
[04:23:16] * NCommander can cherrypick it from master
[04:23:11] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, is it in git?
[04:23:08] <mrcoolbp> g'night
[04:23:00] * Bytram|away is away: g'nite all!
[04:22:52] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[04:22:07] <mrcoolbp> maybe = )
[04:21:58] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: goose/gander... get some sleep, yourself! k?
[04:21:54] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: also moderation page was updated to remove "Slashdot" references
[04:21:35] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: okay, can you get that page up at least?
[04:21:24] <mrcoolbp> bytram, go to sleep
[04:21:17] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, no, that one is legit :-/
[04:21:12] <NCommander> I don't want to be cowbowing more
[04:21:09] * mrcoolbp has been *trying* not to bother you about it
[04:21:08] <Bytram> my time is at end. it's 20 minnutes after "5 more minutes"... =)
[04:21:07] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, I need to define a release process
[04:20:57] <mrcoolbp> yeah
[04:20:54] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, *sigh*
[04:20:41] <Bytram> okay,
[04:20:29] <mrcoolbp> also it's out of date, and doesn't have a link to the wiki
[04:20:06] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: we have a fixed version in the pipeline that has been waiting weeks for deploy
[04:19:48] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: that file is still broken
[04:19:47] <NCommander> and some of the help pages
[04:19:45] <MrBluze> lol ok
[04:19:40] <mrcoolbp> heh
[04:19:25] <NCommander> Bytram, about/faq.shtml
[04:19:15] <Bytram> do we even HAVE any static pages left?
[04:19:13] <MrBluze> NCommander: depends what shape the wheel has
[04:19:07] <NCommander> For the wiki/other pages, we can run ht/dig or something
[04:18:58] <NCommander> MrBluze, before we re-invent a wheel, lets see if I can just fix the one we have
[04:18:55] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: I thoroughly agree.
[04:18:46] <MrBluze> ?
[04:18:42] <MrBluze> yeah but we can host a search script that goes through the static pages, presumably
[04:18:42] <PoeticWarlord> todo item 9 added
[04:18:42] <NCommander> !todo sphinx
[04:18:38] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, agreed. I rather just fix sphinx
[04:18:30] <mrcoolbp> self-host as much as possible
[04:18:28] <Bytram> NCommander: sure we can! robots.txt and <a rel="nofollow">
[04:18:17] * NCommander notes slashdot's sphinx instance appears to have shat itself
[04:18:10] <mrcoolbp> well I'd like to have "no third party" philosiphy continue...
[04:18:04] <PoeticWarlord> karma - ncommander: 13
[04:18:04] <Bytram> NCommander++
[04:18:04] <NCommander> But we can't tell either google or DDG to limit to journals, comments or just stories
[04:17:51] <NCommander> paulej72, duckduckgo :-P
[04:17:47] <paulej72> google ;)
[04:17:43] <NCommander> Bytram, that's the one baked into slash
[04:17:33] <MrBluze> all we need to do is search the static site
[04:17:28] <MrBluze> there must be heaps of search functions out there
[04:17:11] <Bytram> hrmm, is that the only indexing/searching option?
[04:16:58] <NCommander> In theory, once sphinx is installed and its finished indexing the DB, its just a matter of pointing the right variables to the sphinx server, and letting slashd run
[04:16:37] <NCommander> (unknown if thats true now)
[04:16:32] <NCommander> Older versions appear to require patching mysql
[04:16:24] <NCommander> Sphinx is so badly documented that neither myself, nor zford managed to get it working
[04:16:14] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, it needs sphinx
[04:16:06] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: where do we stand on search functionality (slash)?
[04:15:40] <mrcoolbp> then go down to topics, click "+" to the right of that
[04:15:26] <mrcoolbp> "new"
[04:15:23] <mrcoolbp> bytram click new on the admin panel
[04:15:11] <Bytram> (I'm looking at dev.sn)
[04:14:58] <Bytram> umm, where's the "+" icon for topics?
[04:14:47] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: if you need to do that, you can, I don't want to distract you from that
[04:14:26] * NCommander notes his writeup is SLOWLY starting to come together
[04:14:20] <mrcoolbp> quite
[04:14:14] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, yeah I know, SHINY
[04:13:54] <mrcoolbp> WHOA
[04:13:37] <NCommander> I defined that tree in the database, but I can define any layout I want
[04:13:31] <mrcoolbp> k
[04:13:28] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, click the + icon for topics
[04:13:25] <mrcoolbp> yes
[04:13:22] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, you're an editor, right?
[04:13:12] <mrcoolbp> whoa cool
[04:13:07] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, its just not pinned out on the UI
[04:13:06] <mrcoolbp> really?
[04:13:02] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, That's actually implemented
[04:13:02] <mrcoolbp> but that sounds like some work
[04:12:54] <mrcoolbp> would be nice if there was a hirearchial organization/nav for the "stories"
[04:12:41] * Bytram neds a new kbd!
[04:12:36] <MrBluze> third time lucky
[04:12:30] <Bytram> *need* better search
[04:12:27] <mrcoolbp> that's true
[04:12:20] <Bytram> ned better search
[04:12:17] <Bytram> ned better search
[04:12:11] <mrcoolbp> bytram: yes I thought of that too
[04:11:52] <NCommander> We've got installing slash down to an art form at this point
[04:11:51] <Bytram> select * from ....
[04:11:40] * NCommander lets this debate play out before ruling judgment
[04:11:35] <Bytram> not that hard to have one "slash" that is running the latest and greatest for staff communication, and a separate one that is also runnnig the latest and greatest for dev, and one for QA.
[04:11:35] <MrBluze> maybe but it will impair our ability to fix them if we can't see what we discussed ;)
[04:11:19] <mrcoolbp> heh
[04:11:17] <mrcoolbp> motivation to fix bugs?
[04:10:27] <mrcoolbp> okay...
[04:10:09] <MrBluze> it will break too often
[04:10:08] <Bytram> test cases. destructive data ... "random" posts replies comments moderation...
[04:10:06] <MrBluze> not dev
[04:10:04] <MrBluze> testing soylent should be staff comms
[04:09:53] <mrcoolbp> bytram: defend
[04:09:46] <Bytram> I'm against that.
[04:09:44] <mrcoolbp> NCommandr: the only problem I see is having a way to "look up" things that fall off the main page (organize them so to speak)
[04:09:15] <mrcoolbp> Ncommander: I propose merging dev.soylent with staff communication
[04:08:38] <mrcoolbp> yes!
[04:08:27] <Bytram> turtles all the way?
[04:08:26] <mrcoolbp> bytram: er uh, audioguy can answer better than me
[04:08:21] <NCommander> similiar to subreddits
[04:08:16] <NCommander> I want them slashsites in mini
[04:08:12] * NCommander really wants to overhaul journals
[04:08:09] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: He can answer these better than him, but would a "vote received and is valid" message work?
[04:07:59] <Bytram> my journal reply to prospectacle was intended to cover the corner cases. I await his reply before proceeding.
[04:07:18] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: now what about *that* input?
[04:07:14] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, hrm ... I'm mulling it over
[04:07:07] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: when we have *this* input, what are we supposed to do with it? What does it mean? Is it valid? If not, how do we convey that back to the user?
[04:06:06] <mrcoolbp> heh
[04:06:02] <Bytram> ding ding ding!
[04:05:56] <NCommander> prospectacle_is_away, its still pretty light. I need to go into how prescents bind. This is extremely important because there's a split decision w.r.t. to bloggers as journalists
[04:05:46] <mrcoolbp> bytram: after reading audioguy's notes on his voting system, I'm assuming you still have the same questions about his system?
[04:05:43] <Bytram> prospectacle_is_away: Much obliged! cya
[04:05:24] <Bytram> prospectacle_is_away: http://soylentnews.org
[04:05:08] <Bytram> prospectacle: I think my reply to your journal article covered most of the permutations that I have questions on
[04:05:05] prospectacle is now known as prospectacle_is_away
[04:04:57] <prospectacle> Bytram, I'll do a proper journal reply in a few hours. You raise some important points.
[04:04:52] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: there is no right or wrong, that's why we are debating. I'm looking to find pros/cons
[04:04:37] <Bytram> prospectacle: I guess I'm just trying to undestand what are permitted/acceptable choices and what the implications of them would be.
[04:04:27] <prospectacle> oh and good intro to U.S. law NCommander, I found it very enlightening.
[04:04:16] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, I'm not sure what I'd write or put on it but maybe I'm wrong on this
[04:04:16] <prospectacle> Gotta go. Have fun everybody.
[04:03:54] <NCommander> There are ways to make that work though
[04:03:54] <prospectacle> bytram, but I'd be happy to write a version that makes ranks unique (among an individual voter's votes). I'll give it a go later.
[04:03:46] <NCommander> prospectacle, frack, I forgot about that
[04:03:26] <prospectacle> NCommander, sounds better then. i was just reading audioguys notes which mentioned .htaccess wasn't doing anything
[04:03:22] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: so what do you think about using slash for staff communication? There are downsides sure, but every system will have some. What are the major cons?
[04:03:00] <NCommander> prospectacle, we can htaccess the site with kerberos authetication which all members of the staff should have
[04:02:53] <prospectacle> bytram, or if you give everyone 10th rank.
[04:02:39] <prospectacle> bytram. For example if you give everyone 1st rank. It's not different to not casing a vote.
[04:02:27] <mrcoolbp> thanks
[04:02:23] <prospectacle> mrcoolbp, will do
[04:01:58] * mrcoolbp notes all this devvy stuff goes over his head mostly
[04:01:45] <mrcoolbp> prospectacle: when you get in touch with audioguy, please show him a link to that journal entry as well
[04:01:32] <prospectacle> since htaccses wasn't working.
[04:01:24] <prospectacle> ncommander, sounds more robust. The work-notes I'd been reading (see mrcoolbp link above) were dealing with intercepting it at the perl level.
[04:01:08] * NCommander actually has OpenID provider on the TODO list for the main site for single sign on reasons
[04:00:57] <NCommander> *site
[04:00:47] <prospectacle> bytram, yes, you could give multiple candidates equal rank in that system. Two things to mention: This is not really a problem (for certain values of "problem"), secondly, it is easily removed if you prefer. Just let me know if people want it to be unique ranks per-voter, and I can make the modes in about 4 lines (but later today)
[04:00:42] <NCommander> prospectacle, I rather fix the OpenID consumer in slash, and get the main sight to be a provider
[04:00:38] <Bytram> well, scanned it. hold on
[04:00:23] <Bytram> yes
[04:00:21] <Bytram> es
[04:00:17] <Bytram> but, I got stuck on how to handle certain edge/corner cases with voting
[04:00:16] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: did you read about audioguy's system?
[03:59:49] <Bytram> thinking it could be merged into pollbooth in some fashion.
[03:59:27] <Bytram> your code is really nice and has given me food for thought
[03:59:10] <Bytram> was wondering if you had time to look at my comment/reply
[03:58:56] <prospectacle> hi bytram
[03:58:50] <prospectacle> ie you tell mod_perl to always run the "are you logged in" script when you request anything from staf.soylentnews.org
[03:58:49] <Bytram> prospectacle: Hi! was just talking about your polling code...
[03:58:46] <mrcoolbp> see this: http://wiki.soylentnews.org for background on ^^^^
[03:58:09] <prospectacle> Any perl developers around that can say whether using a "BEGIN" directive would solve the "universal login requirements" problem for a staff slash site? http://perldoc.perl.org
[03:58:04] <mrcoolbp> it's a win-win
[03:58:03] <Bytram> ^^^ great idea
[03:58:01] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: why? we could test our code *while* we communicate
[03:57:42] <mrcoolbp> if you have something important that everyone must see, send to the mailng list a link to the slash page maybe
[03:57:26] <Bytram> we would need a slash instance that was separate from dev.soylentnews.org, though
[03:57:11] <mrcoolbp> exactly
[03:57:06] <MrBluze> lists are good though for some things, like announcements
[03:56:36] <mrcoolbp> no prob
[03:56:35] <Bytram> nw
[03:56:31] <mrcoolbp> exactly
[03:56:29] <MrBluze> lol ok thanks.. would have paid me to scroll up a bit more ;) sorry
[03:56:20] <Bytram> we were using slashcott for that for a short while
[03:56:20] <mrcoolbp> we are debating that now
[03:56:14] <mrcoolbp> MrBluze: that is what has been proposed
[03:56:10] <MrBluze> it will then force us to make sure things are working while we chat about stuff
[03:56:09] <Bytram> allows someone joining later to get an overview of the thought-making process
[03:56:02] <MrBluze> perhaps the dev or testing branch of the site can be used as the discussion site also
[03:55:57] <mrcoolbp> MrBluze: true, but no system is perfect
[03:55:49] <MrBluze> hmm
[03:55:29] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: basically the mailing list is disorganized, slash (for example) provides a method for clear replies, allows you to skip over certain things more easily, is less of a burden (not clogging your inbox) etc.
[03:55:02] <PoeticWarlord> karma - mrbluze: 4
[03:55:01] <Bytram> MrBluze++ # +1 inciteful
[03:54:35] <Bytram> fyi, I've got about 5 more minutes and then am off for the evening.
[03:54:34] <MrBluze> Bytram: agreed, voting methods are generally designed to rig elections, one way or another
[03:54:09] <Bytram> k
[03:53:58] <mrcoolbp> start here: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[03:53:43] <mrcoolbp> bytram: audioguy has coded his own email-voting-system from scratch using shell scripts, there's a bunch of information about it I can dig up for you
[03:53:24] <Bytram> I've read *some* on different voting methodologies and can attest that there is a *lot* more to it than first meets the eye. Minor tweaks can introduce massive pathological cases.
[03:52:31] <Bytram> as well as voting protocols, in general.
[03:52:26] <mrcoolbp> bytram: reading the questions on that comment now
[03:52:15] <Bytram> so we were discussing slash for staff communication and the cox case right?
[03:51:48] <mrcoolbp> anyway that's where we left off
[03:51:33] <mrcoolbp> oops
[03:51:22] <mrcoolbp> <+Bytram> provides a consistent "archive" of the same information in the same arrangement so we can all see the same thing. The mailing list is nice for announcements, but not for back and forth communication
[03:51:22] <mrcoolbp> Okay NCommander: the mailing list is kinda crazy right now, I have a lot of stuff in my inbox and I'm loosing track
[03:50:47] <Bytram> wb!
[03:50:43] <mrcoolbp> thanks
[03:50:38] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, wb
[03:50:31] <mrcoolbp> did I make it?
[03:50:29] <mrcoolbp> okay back
[03:49:27] * Bytram hears jeopardy music
[03:47:46] <Bytram> and I had comments, here: http://soylentnews.org
[03:47:14] <NCommander> k
[03:47:05] <mrcoolbp> okay give me 2 minutes 36 seconds
[03:47:03] <Bytram> it starts at: http://soylentnews.org
[03:46:53] <mrcoolbp> lol
[03:46:49] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, ok, train of thought committed
[03:46:40] <Bytram> it was by prospectacle...
[03:46:27] <Bytram> found it!
[03:46:18] <mrcoolbp> BRB FOOD
[03:44:04] <mrcoolbp> heh
[03:43:47] <Bytram> plese be seated
[03:43:38] <mrcoolbp> bytram: standing by
[03:42:34] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: no prob, I'll be on for a few hours
[03:42:24] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: let me rummage around a bit, but that sounds right, I think... hold on
[03:42:02] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, let me finish this train of thought
[03:41:08] <mrcoolbp> addresses to an outside party?"
[03:41:08] <mrcoolbp> bytram: is this the email you are talking about starting with "Are we seriously thinking about handing over our entire database of member e-mail
[03:39:07] <mrcoolbp> true.
[03:39:03] * NCommander is trying to get the writeup successful
[03:38:57] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, I was focusing on this
[03:38:57] <Bytram> this one: Obsidian Finance Group, LLC v. Cox (2011 - Oregon)
[03:38:51] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: that sucks, let's focus though
[03:38:51] <NCommander> Bytram, https://en.wikipedia.org
[03:38:33] <Bytram> which case is that?
[03:38:27] <NCommander> United States District Court for the District of Oregon
[03:38:27] <NCommander> Seal of the U.S. District Court for the District of Oregon.gif
[03:38:14] <NCommander> Shit
[03:38:14] <NCommander> It hasn't been appealed
[03:38:11] <NCommander> Bytram, mrcoolbp: the cox case WAS decided in federal court
[03:38:03] <mrcoolbp> NCommnader: I assume everyone else in staff is getting overwhleme--- what???
[03:37:56] <NCommander> Fuck
[03:37:43] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: ^^^^ same here! It's just going into one big bad bit bucket.
[03:37:38] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: the mailing list is nice for announcements, but not for back and forth communication
[03:37:16] <Bytram> provides a consistent "archive" of the same information in the same arrangement so we can all see the same thing.
[03:37:15] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: the mailing list is kinda crazy right now, I have a lot of stuff in my inbox and I'm loosing track
[03:36:40] <Bytram> Yes, why not use slash? we already had this discussion with, I believe MrBluze. Size chat on IRC, put summary on slash.
[03:36:39] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, what do we communicate on staff slash vs. mailing list
[03:36:10] <mrcoolbp> give me a second
[03:36:05] <mrcoolbp> bytram, yes I remember that, let me look up that email
[03:35:41] <mrcoolbp> go.
[03:35:40] <Bytram> I think audioguy had a blog post about it with sample code(?)... i raised some questions that need answering no matter how we run the poll.
[03:35:36] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: let's debate: staff communications: why not slash?
[03:35:13] <mrcoolbp> oh yeah
[03:35:09] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, he's earning beer points with me
[03:35:00] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: I know, he's working really hard at it
[03:34:50] * NCommander isn't *thrilled* about that, but as long as we're communicating, we're good
[03:34:48] <mrcoolbp> bytram: remember what we "need" (NO JS etc.)
[03:34:35] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, I think we can wait a week.
[03:34:32] <mrcoolbp> bytram: if you could look at the options under " Staff Communication" on that wiki page, pick the "best" 3 or so and tell me why
[03:33:52] <mrcoolbp> polllbooth
[03:33:46] <Bytram> NCommander: which/what is "less ugly?"
[03:33:40] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: we are trying to get that working for the public votes, timeframe is at least a week though
[03:33:26] <NCommander> If he feels its up for the job
[03:33:21] <NCommander> public vote
[03:33:18] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: k
[03:33:15] <NCommander> I'm tempted just to use audioguy's system for the vote
[03:33:14] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: that would be a start
[03:33:01] <mrcoolbp> ignore slash for now
[03:33:00] <NCommander> Bytram, less ugly?
[03:32:57] <mrcoolbp> go to the "Staff Communication heading"
[03:32:49] <Bytram> k
[03:32:42] <Bytram> I've looked, briefly at modifying pollbooth, am getting stuck on what we want it to look like.
[03:32:37] <mrcoolbp> bytram: this is only for communication, not voting
[03:32:24] <mrcoolbp> bytram: okay so what I'm looking for is research into each option (exclude slash for now)
[03:32:20] <Bytram> I made some comments to someone's journal(?) article about a proposed voting system using e-mail...
[03:31:36] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: I looked at the page... don't know if there is much I can add to it...
[03:30:10] * NCommander wonders if "PEOPLE" is taken
[03:29:58] <Bytram> SYLNTNWS might fit.
[03:29:29] <Bytram> NCommander: sadly, that's too many letters...
[03:29:02] <NCommander> Bytram, if NH proves to be the state we incorporate in, I'll probably move to Portsmouth to see it through
[03:28:22] * NCommander wants a Live Free or Die "SOYLENTNW" license plate
[03:28:03] <Bytram> NH also has the advanatage of having a very strong attachment to their motto(?) "Live free or die".
[03:27:43] <NCommander> Bytram, it will have to go to the supreme court for a binding judgement across all districts. A decided in the federal level is only binding in its circuit
[03:27:32] <NCommander> Bad idea, Hollywood hates new media :-)
[03:27:19] <Bytram> change venue to hollyood... plenty of selebrotis ther!
[03:26:51] <Bytram> NCommander: but not yet at the Federal level, right?
[03:26:50] <NCommander> Bytram, the OR case is trying to appeal to SCOTUS, but they haven't accepted celeborti yet
[03:26:30] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, its been argued in the state of Oregon and in the state of NH
[03:26:27] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: I believe it has not yet come up for a decision at that level, yet. NCommander is that right?
[03:25:49] <Bytram> NCommander: agreed! It's amazing to me how much I remember of the stuff I learned back in secondary school!
[03:25:33] <mrcoolbp> so it is "undecided" or "partially decided?"
[03:25:14] <mrcoolbp> interesting
[03:24:54] * NCommander thought the issue of bloggers == journalists was decided on a federal level. It wasn't.
[03:24:41] <NCommander> Bytram, I'm working my way through this. This exercise is proving to be extremely benefical
[03:24:20] <Bytram> NCommander: you're welcome! I see you added some things, so I just finished making a pass thorugh the document. I have a couple questions marked in-line.
[03:23:40] <NCommander> Bytram, thanks for editing
[03:23:29] <mrcoolbp> noted
[03:23:28] <mrcoolbp> heh
[03:21:42] <Bytram> string and tin cans have my vote.
[03:21:07] <mrcoolbp> Cool, no problem
[03:21:03] <mrcoolbp> trying to narrow down the options
[03:20:57] <Bytram> k. just aminute... winding up some wiki changes.
[03:20:20] <mrcoolbp> at the bottom of that page, if you have time, take a look at the options we have thus far
[03:20:01] <mrcoolbp> we are researching staff communication methods: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[03:19:33] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: sure!
[03:19:13] <Bytram> sure!
[03:18:57] <mrcoolbp> bytram: got a second?
[03:16:51] <mrcoolbp> agreed
[03:16:42] <NCommander> They're awesome
[03:16:36] <NCommander> Muffins
[01:58:34] <NCommander> xlefay, cya
[01:55:59] <xlefay> Can you PM me the stuff, I really oughta get going :<
[01:55:45] * xlefay is a genuine PostgreSQL fan boy.
[01:55:26] <xlefay> I don't know about you, but I wouldn't trust MySQL if my life depended on it
[01:54:56] <NCommander> xlefay, likely a good idea
[01:53:26] <xlefay> if I then run a query MySQL can't stomach, least prod won't get killed
[01:53:11] <xlefay> wait. It may be best if we start with Dev
[01:52:57] * xlefay asks since it's MySQL........
[01:52:50] <xlefay> I'd say, a read-only user that can access the production DB to run queries, should be save enough?
[01:52:19] <NCommander> xlefay, I'll do it for you, just tell me what you need when you need it
[01:51:47] <xlefay> Ok, I will reluctantly go into phpmyadmin when I return :p
[01:51:18] <NCommander> xlefay, use phpmyadmin to create a new user.
[01:51:13] <xlefay> e.g. job queue and stuff is in the db if I recall correct, etc. Those sorta things :)
[01:50:52] <xlefay> NCommander, not sure yet, I think I'll snoop around the db and see for nice things to add in the monitor, is that ok?
[01:50:32] <xlefay> also, don't look at my terminals.. you might notice a double icinga reload...
[01:50:16] <xlefay> http://www.imgdumper.nl for those, who don't have the access, here's a little preview :P
[01:49:52] <NCommander> xlefay, what do you need?
[01:49:50] <mrcoolbp> heh
[01:48:56] * Bytram hears NCommander talk funny
[01:48:43] * NCommander fires up helium
[01:48:34] <xlefay> NCommander, yes please
[01:48:26] <xlefay> Carbon has it, because of stuff I'm considering making and as for Icinga, it *can* monitor to PostgreSQL which it does now for historical purposes and stuff
[01:48:23] <Bytram> aha! got it! thanks!!!
[01:48:23] <NCommander> xlefay, and does it need access to the soylentnews DB?
[01:48:05] <NCommander> xlefay, do you want a reader now on the database?
[01:47:52] <NCommander> Bytram, icinga runs on postgres
[01:47:51] <xlefay> Bytram, the MySQL crap isn't monitored. The PostgreSQL servers are for other stuff.
[01:47:09] <mrcoolbp> Landon: can you register for the staff voting list? http://staff.soylentnews.org
[01:46:25] <Bytram> xlefay: I see 2 PostgresSQL servers... I thought we ran on mysql? Or are those just not yet monitored?
[01:45:48] <NCommander> http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[01:45:05] <xlefay> + my idea about automatically generating status.soylentnews.org stuff when there's something critical going on ;)
[01:44:49] <xlefay> As a last note, what's really nice, NCommander, is that when there's an issue, we can add notes and stuff in Icinga (as long as that's not down... that is) - so in a few years, we'll be able to look back and still see it
[01:44:26] <mrcoolbp> thanks
[01:44:18] * Bytram will keep eyes peeled for random character entry...
[01:43:55] * xlefay notes it's pretty obvious that Ubuntu is most of our infra ;)
[01:43:37] <mrcoolbp> bytram: I'm aiming for whenever I fall asleep at the keyboard
[01:43:34] <xlefay> host group overview = neat
[01:43:17] <Bytram> I'm aiming for about 45 minutes from now.
[01:43:14] * xlefay <3's it
[01:43:12] <xlefay> IT DOES, DOESN'T IT!!
[01:43:12] <xlefay> That would be awesome! I'll check in with you for the infos in a bit when I return, also since both Carbon & Boron run PostgreSQL, I'll set up some replication between the two of them (thinking about a failover too, so that when it's time and we're finally ready to switch to postgresql, least I'll know what the hell I'm doing .. yes, I like to be prepared ha) :)
[01:43:00] <Bytram> set a time in advance... and call it quits, then.
[01:42:42] <Bytram> that sounds like a plan!
[01:42:17] * mrcoolbp is trying to hang on
[01:42:16] <Bytram> oy!
[01:42:14] <NCommander> xlefay, holy shit, this looks awesome
[01:42:10] <mrcoolbp> actually my 13 hour day was today
[01:41:58] <mrcoolbp> literally...
[01:41:54] <mrcoolbp> bytram: same here!
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[01:41:18] <NCommander> xlefay, I can create a read only reader
[01:41:07] <Bytram> not much... tired. put in a 13hr day yesterday, and didn't sleep well last night. I'm sure I'll sleep fine tonight!
[01:40:50] * xlefay notes there'll be an IRC bot for it.. it'd be totally awesome if it were to announce "Warning - 5000 members!" etc. ;D
[01:40:22] <mrcoolbp> bytram, sup?
[01:40:21] <xlefay> ooh before I go, NCommander someone (not quite remember who) floated some ideas about having the Icinga/Nagios stuff do SQL queries, can we give it read-only access on production? We might be able to add some awesomeness!
[01:40:05] <Bytram> xlefay: that's a tremendous amount of progress! well done!
[01:39:43] <PoeticWarlord> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[01:39:42] <Bytram> !woop
[01:39:27] * xlefay notes, the monitoring is now about 50% complete or so
[01:39:25] <Bytram> xlefay: umm, why not?
[01:39:11] <xlefay> bytram|away, don't look at the monitoring :P
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[01:38:57] <xlefay> Yeah ;)
[01:38:51] <bytram|away> xlefay: Hi! Bye!
[01:38:41] <mrcoolbp> okay, see you soon I hope
[01:38:32] <xlefay> anyhow, gotta go forrealz now, gotta do some stuff in the house :~/
[01:38:32] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: seems like the way to go
[01:38:07] <xlefay> Still have the same position on it as when I gave you the suggestion, this way people will only make actual suggestions that they care about, keep the "name list" low, etc
[01:37:59] <mrcoolbp> trying to get in touch with audioguy WRT to that right now
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[01:37:48] <mrcoolbp> I'll work up a draft tonight
[01:37:38] <mrcoolbp> yes sir.
[01:37:25] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, let me review the final writeup before we go live. Want to make sure we're on the final page lest we look stupid infront of the community
[01:37:10] * NCommander is still open to feedback
[01:37:05] <NCommander> oh, I thought you were unhappy about that
[01:36:57] * mrcoolbp hit enter by mistake
[01:36:48] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, why the ...?
[01:36:38] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: ...donate no strings attached
[01:36:26] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: since no one has replied WRT the name vote, I'll go with your decision to require people to register domains, and
[01:35:48] <NCommander> xlefay, awesome
[01:35:45] <NCommander> xlefay, very good
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[01:31:03] <xlefay> "60 OK" pretty good beginning so far
[01:29:00] <NCommander> I'm seeing a very good case for us to be incorporated in New Hamisphere
[01:25:54] <mrcoolbp> k
[01:25:49] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, name vote
[01:25:20] * NCommander strikes Nebraska Press Association v. Stuart as a cause I'm going to write up
[01:24:51] * xlefay waits for the postgresql check that's pending before actually leaving
[01:24:46] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: I'll try to do all 3 concurrently, which would you say should be done first?
[01:24:22] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: I have a lot on my plate but I'm moving the staff meetings, communications systems, and name vote to the top
[01:23:54] * mrcoolbp is suffering from sleep deprivation
[01:23:31] * NCommander is suffering from writers block
[01:23:25] <NCommander> ugh
[01:23:02] <mrcoolbp> nice.
[01:22:59] * NCommander vetos xlefay
[01:22:53] <mrcoolbp> xlefay!
[01:22:48] <xlefay> psst: we should have a vote about that ;-)
[01:22:46] <mrcoolbp> gracias
[01:22:41] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, s
[01:21:51] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: can we get an official decision that we'll be using audioguys voting system for staff democratic decisions?
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[01:18:16] <mrcoolbp> .op
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[01:16:30] <mrcoolbp> goodnight
[01:15:42] <cosurgi> gotta sleep, goodnight :)
[01:13:20] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: thanks, I'll talk to you soon!
[01:13:18] <xlefay> I'll be back in a bit, gotta go for now
[01:12:07] <mrcoolbp> right cosurgi
[01:12:01] <cosurgi> we can try our brand new voting system :)
[01:12:00] * mrcoolbp is wondering if he's the best person to make the call which is best
[01:11:42] <mrcoolbp> right
[01:11:28] <xlefay> I'd say, that's about it. (most of these programs are in use on the website on which one can download it, so we could just link there for a demo, others have specific demo listed)
[01:10:44] <mrcoolbp> okay
[01:10:23] <xlefay> Well, there's a lot of infos about the systems on Wikipedia, least I remember it being linked. I'd say, check that out, decide which ones are the best three or so, name them + links to their demo's on the mailing list and see what people say, afterwards hold a vote
[01:10:22] <mrcoolbp> ....ug sorry I'm wicked burnt out
[01:10:14] <mrcoolbp> thoughts*
[01:09:02] <mrcoolbp> thoughs*
[01:08:59] <mrcoolbp> for the staff-communication system, do we need to do more research? Should we hold a vote? what are your thought?
[01:08:19] <mrcoolbp> okay...
[01:08:07] <xlefay> Got about 3 mins
[01:07:45] <xlefay> What's up?
[01:07:08] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: you around?
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[00:32:10] <NCommander> paulej72, lol
[00:30:24] <paulej72> off to get food
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