#staff | Logs for 2014-03-23

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[00:05:48] <mattie_p> NCommander, you did say you were going to send the email based on my initial message and the feedback
[00:10:08] <NCommander> mattie_p, shit, brain fart
[00:10:23] <NCommander> !todo email to FSF/SPI w/ mattie_p input
[00:10:23] <Bender> todo item 9 added
[00:11:23] <mattie_p> ah, k, thanks
[00:11:30] <mattie_p> I can do it but you really seemed to want to
[00:38:33] <NCommander> [PPA li69422-staff-backports-for-precise] [ubuntu/precise] openssh 1:6.5p1-6~precise1 (Accepted)
[00:38:36] * NCommander waits for it to build
[00:38:47] <NCommander> mattie_p, I might re-delegate it. Let me re-evaluate on sunday
[00:38:57] <mattie_p> sounds good
[00:41:10] <NCommander> https://launchpad.net - I love Launchpad
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[02:40:38] <NCommander> !quote NCommander
[02:40:38] <Bender> Quote 0 - <NCommander> mattie_p, I dunno, are you going to mail me an explosive device if I have you edit ANOTHER 3k novel?
[02:40:42] <Bender> Also in quotes: 2, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 15, 17, 18, 19, 21, 22, 23, 25, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 35, 37, 42, 43, 46, 52, 53, 54, 55, 58, 61, 62, 66
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[03:35:36] <prospectacle> Hi, if this is useful to anyone, I've updated my email-scraping polling system to allow preferential voting.
[03:35:37] <prospectacle> http://soylentnews.org
[03:36:30] <prospectacle> It effectively uses "range voting". You specify candidates like : "optionX=1" (for first preference), "option3 = 2" etc
[03:37:01] <prospectacle> I've added example data and instructions to make it easier to understand.
[03:37:01] <prospectacle> Peace
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[12:22:10] <bytram> NCommander, I'm seeing a problem on the main page... you here?
[12:24:12] <bytram> NCommander, as a logged-in user, most recent 3 stories on main page show comments counts of 0; when I look at the actual stories, they all have comments posted.
[12:24:57] <bytram> NCommander, as an AC, the most recent two stories are not even listed.
[12:29:10] <bytram> MrBluze, I dont have any privs on main site; looks like slashd may need to be bounced?
[12:31:20] <bytram> when I am logged in, these stories on the main page show comment counts of 0: "Toyota Admits to Misleading Consumers on Safety", "NSA Spied on Chinese Government and Huawei", and "Watson used to Fight Cancer"
[12:32:09] <bytram> as an AC, the NSA and Watson stories are not displayed.
[12:41:50] <bytram> .op
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[12:42:50] <bytram> .voice crutchy
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[12:43:14] <bytram> okay, I just gave you "voice" so that you can be seen here =)
[12:43:22] <bytram> crutchy, thanks for your assistance!
[12:43:32] <bytram> so what did you see as AC?
[12:44:09] <crutchy> same as you
[12:44:42] <bytram> crutchy, thanks for the confirmation! another couple minutes and I'll have the email ready.
[12:53:18] <bytram> crutchy, e-mail is on its way.
[12:56:07] <cosurgi> I've seen email.
[12:56:18] <bytram> cosurgi, Hi!
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[12:56:35] <cosurgi> a very similar problem with frontpage last time was solved by executing this command on the server: /etc/init.d/shashd start
[12:56:47] <cosurgi> but I have noe server access so I can't do that.
[12:56:52] <cosurgi> *not
[12:57:07] <bytram> cosurgi, sounds familiar... but I do not have privs on the server, either.
[12:57:12] <bytram> =(
[12:57:41] <cosurgi> I think that more people should have access to the server
[12:58:00] <bytram> .topic bytram is in command; yellow alert: main page comment counts not updating; AC not seeing most recent stories.
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[12:58:06] <stderr> cosurgi: I agree...
[12:58:21] <cosurgi> do we have a list of people with access somewhere?
[12:58:29] <bytram> would be nice, but also make for potentially more avenues for failure.
[12:58:42] <stderr> <stderr> <NCommander> sysops:*:2501:mcasadevall,mechanicjay,xlefay,robinld
[12:58:54] <bytram> cosurgi, I e-mailed everyone in staff which I believe it a proper superset of all those who have access.
[12:59:10] <cosurgi> ok, since I have 20+ linux experience I will request server access next time. I just didn't volunteer for that, because my focus was editing our wiki...
[12:59:13] <bytram> I already tried raising NCommander and MrBluze here.
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[12:59:39] <cosurgi> mechanicjay: do you have server access?
[12:59:40] <bytram> mechanicjay, hi there!
[12:59:55] <stderr> Excuse me, but am I muted or something?
[13:00:11] <mechanicjay> howdy, just saw the staff email
[13:00:12] <bytram> .voice stderr
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[13:00:12] <cosurgi> stderr: no. Ouch I didn't notice!
[13:00:24] <FunPika> you were already voiced
[13:00:30] <bytram> nvm
[13:00:31] * cosurgi is blind
[13:00:39] <bytram> mechanicjay, thanks for coming so quickly!
[13:01:06] <cosurgi> mechanicjay: you need to log into server and check if slashd is running, if not then `/etc/init.d/shashd start` should fix our problem
[13:01:16] <cosurgi> mechanicjay: if it's running, then we have another problem.
[13:01:39] <MrBluze> hello
[13:01:50] <bytram> MrBluze, hello! welcome to the zoo.
[13:01:50] <mechanicjay> oh what the fuck
[13:01:52] * MrBluze looks at bytram
[13:01:55] <stderr> cosurgi: You're not the only one to miss me, so you're forgiven. :-)
[13:01:55] <cosurgi> mechanicjay: ?
[13:02:00] <MrBluze> wassup?
[13:02:15] <mechanicjay> someone renamed all the linodes from a reasonable name to nonsensical names
[13:02:18] <bytram> If someone else wants to take the helm, let me know; otherwise I've got it.
[13:02:32] <cosurgi> ???? omg.
[13:02:41] <bytram> mechanicjay, named after chemical elements?
[13:02:45] <mechanicjay> yes
[13:02:50] <cosurgi> who had access to do that?
[13:02:54] <bytram> boron, carbon, beryllium, etc?
[13:03:12] <bytram> I think NCommander did that.
[13:03:19] <MrBluze> oh
[13:03:26] <cosurgi> heh
[13:03:30] <mechanicjay> Yeah, I'll yell at him later
[13:03:33] <bytram> mechanicjay, how is that affecting things?
[13:03:34] <MrBluze> there are chat logs relating to that
[13:03:45] <stderr> No CNAME-records?
[13:04:00] <cosurgi> if NCommander duid that then I suppose he took care of other stuff to *work* with this renaming.....
[13:04:11] <cosurgi> mechanicjay: did you sheck if slashd is running?
[13:04:13] <mechanicjay> it's not, I just need to figure out which is which, since ssh access was changed, i can't acutlaly ssh into the prod box anymore, only through ssh lish
[13:04:19] <cosurgi> mechanicjay: did you check if slashd is running?
[13:04:21] <bytram> he was also woring on LDAP stuff at the time.
[13:04:25] <mechanicjay> no because I'm talking to you guys ;)
[13:04:36] <cosurgi> ok :)
[13:04:54] <stderr> I think xlefay did the local DNS stuff.
[13:05:03] <bytram> mechanicjay, you have dev/sys lead.
[13:06:04] <bytram> find out what's going on and make a recommendation;
[13:06:12] <mechanicjay> I've also lost my console access
[13:06:14] <mechanicjay> I'm useless here
[13:06:28] <mechanicjay> find someone who can log the fuck into the web server and bounce slashd
[13:06:51] <mechanicjay> fuck
[13:06:53] <bytram> mechanicjay, I don't have access.
[13:07:06] <bytram> that's why I sent the e-mail.
[13:07:16] <mechanicjay> yeah, I had access yesterday, so I assumed I'd be able to help
[13:08:22] <bytram> mechanicjay, thanks for trying!
[13:09:11] <bytram> there was a discussion, approx 10hrs ago about these changes...
[13:09:45] <bytram> but not on a logged channel
[13:09:48] <mechanicjay> ...and nothing was communicated about them to the staff list
[13:10:39] <stderr> mechanicjay: Try "soylent-www"
[13:11:47] <mechanicjay> I have in ip address, but all ssh access restricted to the internal private network, and I have no access to any box in the pirvate network.
[13:12:20] <mechanicjay> This was fine while I had console access via lish, but that's been disabled too.
[13:12:20] <bytram> found this: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[13:12:41] <bytram> and this: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[13:12:46] <MrBluze> i know that they introduced ldap ?
[13:13:51] <mechanicjay> it doens't matter, I can't help ATM. I'll reply to the list.
[13:14:13] <bytram> mechanicjay, thank you!
[13:14:40] <MrBluze> kerberos
[13:14:43] <MrBluze> also was set up
[13:15:41] <stderr> mechanicjay: You don't have access to 72.14.184.41?
[13:15:49] <bytram> I can only see part of the conversation, but it looks like NCommander, xlefay, and maybe mattiep should have access.
[13:16:05] <bytram> don't know if there are others.
[13:17:25] <MrBluze> they did set up access for others afaik but i wasnt reading it line by line
[13:17:41] <bytram> mechanicjay, I just saw your reply.
[13:18:13] <bytram> let's step back for a minute.
[13:18:33] <MrBluze> possibly landon
[13:19:15] <bytram> It's a stab in the dark, but I need someone to take a look at the wiki and see if maybe it *was* documented.
[13:19:21] <bytram> volunteer?
[13:19:33] <mechanicjay> I'll be back later guys, my kids are demanding attention
[13:19:38] mechanicjay is now known as mechanicjay|afk
[13:19:45] <bytram> mechanicjay|afk, k, thanks!
[13:21:05] <stderr> Recent changes on the wiki: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[13:21:41] * bytram wishes I could do something like: !ics yellow-alert and have it ping, SMS, e-mail everyone.
[13:22:02] <bytram> stderr, would you please scan through and report if you can find anything?
[13:22:37] paulej72_away is now known as paulej72
[13:23:05] <bytram> paulej72, welcome aboard. I've got the helm; do you have access to production server?>
[13:23:19] <paulej72> no
[13:23:30] <bytram> darn.
[13:25:29] <MrBluze> i believe Ncommander requires people's ssh keys for creating logins
[13:25:39] <stderr> bytram: Don't really see anything. :-/
[13:25:39] <paulej72> I have the same issue as mechanicjay
[13:25:52] <bytram> stderr, thanks for looking!
[13:26:09] <bytram> paulej72, okaay. that's useful data, too.
[13:26:29] <paulej72> I gave NCommander my ssh key but I was given no instructions on how he is doing the single access server stuff
[13:26:45] <MrBluze> bytram: u were there at the beginning of the logs that i can see
[13:27:31] <stderr> I would have paid a lot more attention to the channels, if I had gotten a clear answer one of the four times I asked if I was in the SysAdmin group... I didn't so now I don't really care anymore...
[13:27:33] <bytram> MrBluze, don't know if I was or wasn't; I don't have a permanent connection; thought I came in during the middle.
[13:27:46] <MrBluze> oh, i just see some random comments in there
[13:28:08] <MrBluze> since i have bnc set up it logs everything now
[13:28:16] <bytram> MrBluze, it felt like they had been at things for a while before I popped in.
[13:28:42] <MrBluze> yeah that's possible
[13:28:57] <MrBluze> i think they are worried about the security side of things
[13:29:01] <bytram> stderr, I'm sorry to hear that your voice was not heard...
[13:29:19] <bytram> seems to be working a little too well right about now. =(
[13:29:33] <MrBluze> stderr: i hear u on that
[13:29:41] <MrBluze> hmm
[13:29:45] <paulej72> .op
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[13:29:48] <MrBluze> i have no power or know-how
[13:30:03] <bytram> MrBluze, thanks 4 that.
[13:30:43] <bytram> same here; I'm willing to hold the helm for a while to free up bandwidth for someone who DOES have knowledge/access
[13:30:45] <MrBluze> i will definitely have the entire log of the conversation on file somewhere
[13:31:31] <MrBluze> im pretty sure they did not have any evil in mind
[13:32:26] <bytram> what are the odds that a ping might get someone's attention where the e-mails didn't???
[13:33:09] <MrBluze> NCommander: ping
[13:33:11] <MrBluze> xlefay: ping
[13:33:19] <MrBluze> worth a shot
[13:33:28] <bytram> MrBluze, thanks!
[13:34:00] <bytram> you guys have been great...
[13:34:33] <bytram> but I'm due at work before too long and need to hand off the helm so I can shower, etc.
[13:34:44] <MrBluze> i am about to head to bed - cannot take helm
[13:34:48] <bytram> I need a volunteer to take over.
[13:34:52] <bytram> MrBluze, thanks.
[13:34:59] <MrBluze> sorry
[13:35:06] <bytram> MrBluze, np!
[13:35:34] <bytram> MrBluze, thanks for your help; much appreciated! Sleep well.
[13:36:42] <MrBluze> cheers
[13:38:38] <bytram> paulej72, Would you be able to take the helm?
[13:39:40] <paulej72> yes
[13:40:00] <paulej72> .topic paulej72 is in command; yellow alert: main page comment counts not updating; AC not seeing most recent stories.
[13:40:13] <bytram> paulej72, much obliged!!!!!!!!
[13:40:16] <bytram> .deop
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[13:40:58] <bytram> I'll leave my connection open until I need to leave
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[13:42:22] <cosurgi> damn
[13:42:27] <cosurgi> nobody with server access
[13:44:31] * MrBluze hmms
[13:45:24] <MrBluze> there's a bit more to this but yeah the logs explain all i think
[13:45:25] <paulej72> NCommander changed the way things were acsessed but told noone except xlefay how to access the systems.
[13:46:19] <paulej72> thoretically I beleve I have access, but I do not know how to access
[13:46:44] <MrBluze> paulej72: i can email u the logs?
[13:46:48] <MrBluze> i think
[13:47:11] <paulej72> paulej72@soylentnews.org
[13:49:14] <MrBluze> i just send u the whole thing .. its big though
[13:49:28] <MrBluze> sent
[13:49:36] <paulej72> how big?
[13:49:45] <mattiep> bytram I'm not in LDAP yet
[13:49:48] <mattiep> I'm low priority
[13:50:10] <mattiep> once you email your ssh key to NCommander per his request I think he will make it happen soon
[13:51:58] <mattiep> seems like we see this error once a week or so. isn't it slashd again
[13:52:05] <MrBluze> 0.28mb
[13:52:14] <MrBluze> not that big
[13:52:17] <paulej72> yes it prrobably is mattiep
[13:53:26] <mattiep> and right now no one else can get in via other means? Did NCommander and xlefay shut out everyone else when they turned LDAP on?
[13:53:51] <paulej72> yes mattiep
[13:53:58] <mattiep> le sigh
[13:54:40] <mattiep> xlefay has some triggers set up that we could use to wake him up
[13:55:17] <mattiep> paulej72 I didn't know they implemented on production as well, I thought this was all back end stuff
[13:55:21] <MrBluze> paulej72: see the logs and i think it will make sense somehow
[13:56:09] <stderr> http://wiki.soylentnews.org It seems like mechanicjay|afk and paulej72 should be in LDAP.
[13:56:21] <MrBluze> yes
[13:56:30] <MrBluze> ok i am off to bed
[13:56:32] <MrBluze> too tired for any more
[13:56:37] <MrBluze> confirm paulej72 u got the email?
[13:56:51] <stderr> And "<NCommander> sysops:*:2501:mcasadevall,mechanicjay,xlefay,robinld" seems to say that at least mechanicjay|afk should be in the sysop group.
[13:57:02] <paulej72> I have not but I am checking my spam
[13:58:22] <mattiep> MrBluze good night
[13:58:26] <MrBluze> check now
[13:58:28] <MrBluze> gnite mattiep
[13:58:36] <mattiep> stderr do you have access?
[13:58:53] <paulej72> MrBluze: got it
[13:59:04] <MrBluze> good.. happy reading
[13:59:37] <stderr> mattiep: No idea. I asked 4 times if I was in the SysAdmin group or not, but NCommander never gave me a clear answer. I'm not going to ask a 5th time, so now I don't really care anymore... :-/
[14:00:09] MrBluze is now known as MrBluze|zzz
[14:00:14] <cosurgi> wow NCommander wrote a very long wiki page. So why it is not working? :/
[14:00:29] <mattiep> stderr if you're not there, I don't know where you'd be on staff
[14:00:46] <mattiep> !quote 3k
[14:00:46] <Bender> Quote 0 - <NCommander> mattie_p, I dunno, are you going to mail me an explosive device if I have you edit ANOTHER 3k novel?
[14:00:55] <stderr> mattiep: Dev?
[14:01:12] <mattiep> stderr the groups are merged right now, so not much difference
[14:01:14] <MrBluze|zzz> stderr: I have heard nothing suggesting that u aren't suited to your role - so i'd hate to see u fall out of the project tbh
[14:01:31] <MrBluze|zzz> cheers mate
[14:01:33] <paulej72> mattiep: It looks like the groups have unmerged
[14:01:34] <cosurgi> paulej72: on that screenshot on wiki it appears that you can log in to the server?
[14:01:35] <MrBluze|zzz> gnite all
[14:01:54] <cosurgi> paulej72: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[14:02:30] <cosurgi> paulej72: is it true - can you log in, but have no persmissions to /etc/init.d/slashd start ?
[14:02:31] <paulej72> yes cosurgi but there is a super secret method to access the one server that allows external ssh access.
[14:02:33] <mattiep> paulej72 I hope not, as that would violate NCommander's sacred ICS where groups don't split until they exceed 7-12 people
[14:03:04] <cosurgi> I see :(
[14:03:13] <cosurgi> well, crap.
[14:03:16] <MrBluze|zzz> 1. dont panic, 2. read the logs
[14:03:17] <stderr> mattiep / MrBluze|zzz: I have no idea what's going on, but as I said, I don't really care anymore...
[14:03:28] <MrBluze|zzz> stderr: i understand
[14:03:36] <MrBluze|zzz> we chat later :) i go to bed now
[14:03:57] <cosurgi> well, I still care, but what can I do?
[14:03:58] <mattiep> stderr yeah, only so long you can keep pounding the same nail before it gets flush, right?
[14:04:02] <paulej72> mattiep: NCommander created different sysop ldap gropups and there is now a sperate syscop wiki page (althoug I think audioguy created thoes)
[14:05:42] <stderr> mattiep: Don't really know what you mean, but I am getting tired of this.
[14:05:54] <mattiep> paulej72 well, NCommander is usually up by now, so he can fix it when he does
[14:06:54] <mattiep> stderr I'm not sure what I mean either, I'm just drinking my first coffee of the day now
[14:07:12] <cosurgi> he is now in US timezone, right?
[14:07:16] <FunPika> stderr, at least going by what IRC groups you are in, you are a volunteer. You don't appear to be in any actual staff groups (then again I don't even see a sysop group in GroupServ, only a developer group)
[14:07:23] <mattiep> yes, Eastern so it is 9am there
[14:08:01] <stderr> FunPika: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[14:08:18] <mattiep> oh, so the phone number I have for NCommander should work now. I don't think it is that much an emergency tho
[14:08:31] <cosurgi> hmm, his last apperance on IRC was 6h40min ago
[14:08:52] <FunPika> Yeah, I noticed that to...although its odd to me. That would mean you are pretty much the only person here who is not in their proper IRC groups
[14:08:58] <stderr> FunPika: But then again, I'll probably remove myself from that list later today.
[14:08:59] <FunPika> If you are considered a full staff member
[14:09:19] <stderr> Maybe because of my "GetOffMyLawnGroup". :-)
[14:09:36] <cosurgi> huh?
[14:09:50] <FunPika> .flags
[14:09:56] <stderr> cosurgi: /whois stderr
[14:10:08] <FunPika> -GroupServ- No channel access was found for the group !GetOffMyLawn.
[14:10:24] <FunPika> Your access to the staff channels is currently dependent on your !volunteers group
[14:10:47] <cosurgi> we definitely need to give stderr full access. Also to the running servers.
[14:11:12] <stderr> cosurgi: Don't bother too much, if I'm going to leave later today...
[14:11:48] <cosurgi> stderr: people come and go all the time. I'm not too active either :-) The reasoning is to have all timezones covered.
[14:11:54] <FunPika> Still, I'm surprised that the sysop cloaks aren't even being controlled by a particular group
[14:12:32] <paulej72> FunPika: sysops was to be disbanded and absorbed into dev
[14:12:45] <FunPika> hmm, all right
[14:14:37] <paulej72> stderr: I would try to persuade you to stay, but I am having doubts myself on staying
[14:15:35] <stderr> paulej72: Luckily, I got other projects to work on. :-)
[14:43:44] <Bytram|afk> okay... gotta run in one minute.
[14:43:56] <Bytram|afk> the real question: WHY does slashd need to be bounced?
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[14:44:09] <Bytram|afk> maybe we ned a bug on this?
[14:44:24] <Bytram|afk> wish I could do more!!!!! God luck everyone!
[14:44:29] <Bytram|afk> wish I could do more!!!!! God luck everyone!
[14:44:31] <Bytram|afk> cia
[14:44:35] <Bytram|afk> ciao
[14:44:45] * Bytram|afk realy needs a new kbd!
[14:45:00] <stderr> Well, god luck with that...
[14:45:00] <paulej72> Bytram|afk: slashd kills itself at time ruuning jobs that itt really does not need to do.
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[15:35:05] <paulej72> I will be unavialable is anyone around to take command
[15:35:47] paulej72 changed topic of #staff to: noone is in command; yellow alert: main page comment counts not updating; AC not seeing most recent stories.
[15:35:57] <paulej72> .deop
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[15:46:38] <janrinok> hi guys
[15:49:47] <janrinok> tumbleweed blows past the window....
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[16:19:49] <cosurgi> janrinok: we tried, but nobody hass access to the server to restart slashd
[16:20:37] <janrinok> no I understand - I wasn't blaming anyone!
[16:20:44] <cosurgi> I know
[16:20:47] <cosurgi> it's just silly.
[16:20:58] <janrinok> I haven't got many stories to play with either!
[16:21:19] <cosurgi> especially since NCommander spent few hours writing this: http://wiki.soylentnews.org and that is about giving access.
[16:21:28] <cosurgi> but no one has access.
[16:21:47] <janrinok> lolol
[16:22:44] <cosurgi> I think he reconfigured access, and wrote this wiki page about it. But due to that reconfiguration everyone lost access
[16:23:56] <janrinok> we shouldn't be making these sorts of mistakes - but we all know that...
[16:24:29] <cosurgi> oh well. I bet he was tired.
[16:26:24] <janrinok> we all are - that's the problem. Its much harder than we thought. Each job is easy - but getting everything going in the same direction at once is proving more difficult that I would have imagined. We've made good progress, but we are not quite there yet.
[16:29:49] <cosurgi> yes.. and the readership is decreasing
[16:30:15] <cosurgi> btw, you have seen my story submission "Crowdfunding interesting news" and you don't like it? :)
[16:30:49] <janrinok> Yes, I need to pad it a little to make it story size, if you get my drift.
[16:31:19] <cosurgi> Also maybe we need to discuss it among ourselves to think if we can make this. Maybe also make a voting poll about that?
[16:31:33] <janrinok> Noooooo
[16:31:37] <cosurgi> To see if people are interested?
[16:31:44] <cosurgi> ok, why not? :)
[16:32:02] <cosurgi> hm, and yes. Sorry. I made it too short :/
[16:32:02] <janrinok> not another poll - this ask the community is all well and good but I do not need their permission to crap!
[16:32:13] <janrinok> lolol
[16:32:28] <cosurgi> ok. now I'm lost ;)
[16:32:53] <janrinok> I think that we ask the community too much sometimes.
[16:33:45] <janrinok> It gives the impression that we don't know which way to go with anything.
[16:33:54] <cosurgi> ah, ok.
[16:34:06] <janrinok> Ask important questions - OK, but not consult everyone on everything.
[16:34:50] <cosurgi> ok, I get the point :)
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[17:20:10] <robind> hey guys
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[17:20:28] <Cyprus> tldr: if you have access, start slashd =)
[17:20:35] <robind> so I can't deal right now
[17:20:43] <robind> but it is possible to reset the root pw on linode
[17:20:59] <robind> so you can give yourself access if you have linode access
[17:26:58] <cosurgi> robind: do you have access?
[17:27:21] <robind> indeed, should I go ahead and do this? I think it requires a reboot.
[17:27:32] <Cyprus> you actually should have access set up
[17:27:39] <Cyprus> in ldap
[17:27:41] <Cyprus> iirc
[17:27:46] <robind> Also I'm not even sure which machine it is anymore...everything has changed since I've been out of touch for a week.
[17:27:52] <cosurgi> NCommander was reconfiguring access, and wrote this wiki page http://wiki.soylentnews.org but for some reason many people lost access in the process.
[17:28:12] <cosurgi> robind: he renamed servers after chemical elements
[17:28:22] <FunPika> him changing the server names at the same time just adds to the confusion
[17:28:30] <robind> great
[17:28:32] <robind> ok
[17:28:41] <robind> so where the hell can I even connect anymore?
[17:28:46] <robind> main site isn't taking 22
[17:28:55] <Cyprus> he turned off public ssh a bit back
[17:29:15] * Cyprus notes i'm not even staff, i just hang around
[17:29:19] <robind> do you know which element is the machine that sn is running on?
[17:29:33] * cosurgi greps logs
[17:29:57] <cosurgi> \./2014.03.23.#chillax:02:11 <+NCommander> so web is hydogen, db is helium, dev is lithium, svc is beryllium, and shell is boron
[17:30:01] <cosurgi> crap.
[17:30:16] <cosurgi> sorry. I pasted too fast :(((((
[17:30:25] <FunPika> ugh...I offered to update the names on the wiki last night but NCommander said he and xlefay were taking care of it :/
[17:30:48] <robind> I never gave him a public key or anything
[17:30:53] <robind> so I don't think I have shell access either
[17:30:54] <robind> sorry guys
[17:31:02] <robind> dunno what the hell he is thinking sometimes :/
[17:31:59] <cosurgi> robind: maybe if you force restart boron from linode? If that's shell then maybe 22 will get up ?
[17:32:03] <Cyprus> im just amazed you guys still don't have monitoring / automation to fix some of the basic stuff
[17:32:16] <cosurgi> we too.
[17:33:02] <robind> last time I tried rebooting the slashd machine it didn't even come up because there was no init.d entry
[17:33:11] * Cyprus facepalms
[17:33:13] <robind> yep
[17:33:14] <FunPika> I woudln't be surprised if NCommander intentionally changed the port to something other than 22
[17:33:15] <cosurgi> I bet NCommander was pretty tired when he was finishing that
[17:33:20] <robind> anyway
[17:33:22] <robind> i'll reboot it
[17:33:26] <cosurgi> hm
[17:33:29] <cosurgi> wait a sec.
[17:33:34] <robind> but I don't really want to subvert his auth scheme and reset the root pw
[17:33:36] <cosurgi> you could scan ports
[17:33:40] <Cyprus> before you do that
[17:33:49] <FunPika> I remember someone mentioning that they didn't like it on port 22, not 100% sure who though
[17:33:51] <Cyprus> nvm
[17:33:53] <robind> yeah
[17:34:00] <robind> I was able to connect on 22 to boron
[17:34:03] <robind> but it's key only
[17:34:05] <robind> I have no key
[17:34:22] <cosurgi> and no access from boron to other machines?
[17:34:29] <cosurgi> Maybe there is something in /etc/hosts ?
[17:34:33] <robind> idk, I wasn't able to connect to boron
[17:34:37] <robind> because it's ppk only
[17:34:40] <cosurgi> ok.
[17:34:42] <robind> all I ever had was a pw
[17:35:01] <Cyprus> if he doesn't have a key, it won't help much with ldap operational
[17:35:09] <robind> seriously hella dumb
[17:35:17] <robind> oh well out of my control you know
[17:35:42] <cosurgi> for (( j=1 ; j<2000; j=j+1 )) ; do ssh 1.2.3.4 -p $j ; done
[17:35:46] <robind> lol
[17:35:49] <cosurgi> :-)
[17:36:00] <robind> haven't been particularly involved lately, too busy with work and now I am on vacation
[17:36:06] <Cyprus> nice
[17:36:20] <cosurgi> if you have dog installed somewhere it would be faster to scan for open ports
[17:36:46] <cosurgi> for (( j=1 ; j<2000; j=j+1 )) ; do dog --sock=1.2.3.4:$j --sock-test ; done
[17:36:52] <cosurgi> or 65535 :)
[17:37:09] <cosurgi> robind: as you feel. If you want you can try to reboot.
[17:37:17] <Cyprus> friends don't let friends build services w/o puppet or some equivalent
[17:40:06] <cosurgi> robind: how is it going?
[17:40:34] <robind> ok giving it a bounce
[17:40:49] <robind> hopefully apache comes up HA
[17:41:12] <Cyprus> yep that'd be the downside, things can still get worse at this point
[17:41:25] * cosurgi hits F5
[17:41:48] <cosurgi> definitely down right now.
[17:42:06] <robind> indeed now it's a 503
[17:42:10] <robind> probably made things worse
[17:42:14] <robind> sigh
[17:42:15] <robind> what in the hell
[17:42:20] <robind> how hard is it to chkconfig
[17:42:28] <Cyprus> did you at least break in?
[17:42:34] <robind> no, doing that now
[17:43:09] <cosurgi> interesting. For ACs it is working, for logged-in users it is not.
[17:43:18] <Cyprus> ac's would still have the old cache
[17:43:22] <Cyprus> it'll fall out shortly
[17:43:27] <cosurgi> it just did.
[17:43:34] <cosurgi> now it's 503 in both cases
[17:47:46] <NCommander> how long has it broken/
[17:47:50] * NCommander just wokeup?
[17:47:52] <robind> oh a little while
[17:48:07] <robind> I just gave it a reboot but that didn't help since apache didn't start
[17:48:14] <robind> also I no longer had access to I reset the root pw
[17:48:16] <Cyprus> well that's handy timing
[17:48:17] <robind> still not up tho
[17:48:43] * NCommander autheticates into kerberos
[17:49:06] <robind> apparently you're the only person with legit access
[17:49:25] <Cyprus> ncommander: slashd was down for hours, rob just got on a few min ago and couldn't get in so was trying to backdoor
[17:49:37] <NCommander> robind, xlefay has it as well
[17:49:38] <Cyprus> no one had access over the several hours due to ldap changes
[17:49:50] <NCommander> shit shit shit
[17:49:57] <Cyprus> you and x were non responsive
[17:50:15] * NCommander dropped off at about 6 this morning
[17:50:18] <NCommander> still alive then
[17:51:34] <NCommander> robind, back
[17:51:44] <Cyprus> once it's fixed you'll want to read the staff scrollback from this morning thats where it was talked about
[17:51:45] <NCommander> robind, you can ssh into staff.soylentnews.org
[17:52:46] <robind> delightful
[17:53:10] <NCommander> robind, from there you can kinit, get a kerberos password and go to any box directly
[17:53:10] <robind> i don't have a key tho
[17:53:22] <NCommander> robind, you don't?
[17:53:29] <robind> not to my knowledge
[17:53:55] <NCommander> robind, can you generate one?
[17:55:02] <robind> not atm, about to drive from phoenix to el paso
[17:55:09] <NCommander> robind, fuck drive
[17:55:10] <robind> in fact I really need to leave
[17:55:34] <robind> see you guys later
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[17:56:06] <cosurgi> stderr: are you there?
[17:59:28] <NCommander> mechanicjay|afk, feel free to hit me
[17:59:29] <NCommander> hard
[17:59:37] <NCommander> weeds, I seem to have a six sense
[17:59:49] <NCommander> As soon as slash begins to guru mediate, I should up
[18:01:20] <NCommander> .voice weeds
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[18:02:38] <weeds> thank you. What does that error message mean? I know that varnish handles cache... but what does it mean when you see guru meditation?
[18:03:12] <Cyprus> content node was down
[18:03:33] <Cyprus> well, more accurately it was shot in the head
[18:04:12] <weeds> Who shot it?
[18:04:29] <NCommander> Itself
[18:04:40] <weeds> suicide!
[18:04:42] <Cyprus> robind was trying to get in to fix something / hoping it would come back on it's own
[18:04:56] <Cyprus> it went from limping to bleeding on the ground instead
[18:05:08] <weeds> poor thing - all better now?
[18:07:37] <weeds> NCommander: Are you going to stick around for a few minutes?
[18:08:38] <NCommander> weeds, I'm going to get something to eat and smoke
[18:08:40] <NCommander> but I can be
[18:09:56] <weeds> I just wanted to pass on a couple fo thoughts I've had about the site. Later is fine.
[18:10:15] <weeds> s/fo/of/
[18:15:27] <NCommander> k
[18:15:31] <NCommander> weeds, good or bad?
[18:16:07] <weeds> Good!
[18:16:12] <weeds> I think
[18:16:38] <weeds> now or later and if later in about how long?
[18:21:31] <paulej72> NCommander: what is the proper way of accessing the systems once on staff.SN
[18:22:04] <NCommander> paulej72, either with an SSH proxy command,, or kinit
[18:22:07] <NCommander> paulej72, are you on staff?
[18:22:41] <paulej72> yes I get a kinit errror kinit: Client not found in Kerberos database while getting initial credentials
[18:22:42] <NCommander> paulej72, (the box, not staff in general :-))
[18:22:47] <NCommander> paulej72, you don't have a kerberos account
[18:22:50] <NCommander> Let me generate one
[18:23:34] <audioguy> I will need one too
[18:23:52] <NCommander> Generating now
[18:23:57] <audioguy> I need to get you my ssh key?
[18:24:13] <NCommander> audioguy, yeah, I installed it, you should be able to access staff.soylentnews.org (boron)
[18:24:16] <audioguy> Normally these are transferred only over an already secure connection.
[18:24:40] <audioguy> With no pass?
[18:24:47] <NCommander> audioguy, publickey
[18:25:56] <audioguy> Permission denied (publickey,gssapi-keyex,gssapi-with-mic)
[18:26:20] <paulej72> NCommander: kinit now asks for my password
[18:26:58] <audioguy> um maybe this should be in a more private place?
[18:27:22] <cosurgi> I think we need to give stderr access also.
[18:28:21] <NCommander> paulej72, I haven't set it yet
[18:28:38] * NCommander is firsting fixing another error
[18:32:38] <NCommander> paulej72, see PM
[18:32:49] <NCommander> I think the restart broke the SSH configuration
[18:32:59] * NCommander can get in via proxycommand but kerberos isn't happy
[18:32:59] <paulej72> got into helium
[18:33:08] <NCommander> paulej72, yeah, you can get into everything except web
[18:33:16] * NCommander is trying to figure out why
[18:34:20] <NCommander> paulej72, on helium, in root's home folder is the master pw file
[18:34:25] <NCommander> for in case of emergency
[18:34:43] <Cyprus> that would be why i admire you as a person for putting that stack together by hand, it's so painful
[18:35:58] <NCommander> Cyprus, we've got single sign on across allnodes
[18:36:15] <NCommander> paulej72, for instance, you can go from helium to lithium as long as you signed into kinit on any node
[18:36:18] <NCommander> Or via versus
[18:36:18] <Cyprus> yeah i understand what it is and for
[18:36:58] <NCommander> hydrogen's krb5 is fucked up
[18:37:04] <NCommander> I must have been on drugs last night
[18:38:07] <NCommander> paulej72, hydrogen is fixed. you MIGHT need to kdestroy yourself then re-kinit
[18:38:16] * NCommander threw out the host key
[18:38:43] <NCommander> paulej72, you can sudo on all nodes
[18:46:04] <mattiep> back crew. looks like immediate problem is resolved and everyone is getting access
[18:46:09] <mattiep> thanks, NCommander
[18:46:23] <NCommander> mattiep, yeah, this was a combination of not finishing the docs, and falling asleep before anyone came online beside xlefay last night
[18:46:49] <mattiep> we need to establish regular maintenance window if we haven't already. I know there was discussion on having one
[18:46:58] <audioguy> I don't think you have my public keys
[18:47:13] <NCommander> audioguy, slag
[18:47:20] <NCommander> audioguy, send it tome via email?
[18:47:39] <audioguy> We could esily transfer them over a secure connection....
[18:48:04] <NCommander> audioguy, er, public keys?
[18:48:08] <NCommander> Public keys are meant to be world reader
[18:48:11] <NCommander> 8readable
[18:48:20] <audioguy> paulej72: is logged into slashcoot and he can graby my authorized keys file and scp them to the appropriate machine
[18:48:21] <NCommander> Debian and Ubuntu post the keys of all their developers
[18:49:01] * NCommander collects cosurgi's blown mind
[18:49:05] <NCommander> Another satisified customer
[18:49:07] <audioguy> This is more about ease
[18:49:21] <NCommander> audioguy, send them GPG encrypted to my email then
[18:49:23] <Cyprus> lol...
[18:49:31] <audioguy> scp is fast, I have several keys in there
[18:49:52] <NCommander> audioguy, .... ugh, adding multiple keys is a PITA ;.;
[18:50:25] <NCommander> audioguy, yeah, no access to slashcott to add them
[18:51:32] <audioguy> paulej72 does though, jst scp to his machine scp to yours
[18:51:54] <audioguy> fast
[18:51:57] <NCommander> audioguy, get paulej72 to put them in his home folder
[18:52:17] <audioguy> paulej72: you here?
[18:53:36] <NCommander> audioguy, will you be on in 10-15 minutes?
[18:53:38] <NCommander> I want to smoke
[18:54:00] <audioguy> fuck it, tell me what address to mail them to ;-)
[18:55:00] <NCommander> audioguy, mcasadevall@ubuntu.com, you can encrypt against my GPG public key
[18:55:07] <Cyprus> carrier pidgeon?
[18:55:20] <NCommander> audioguy, Key fingerprint = 37F0 1189 3BAE 3611 C45B 8E15 733E 1A42 D224 7639
[18:56:10] <audioguy> I don't have you r key in my keychain yet, need to add it, will take a few...
[18:56:22] <NCommander> audioguy, I'm going to smoke, I'll get your enrolled when I get back, and give you a crash course in kerberos (its really really easy)
[18:56:29] <NCommander> audioguy, cosurgi and xlefay had their minds blown
[18:56:46] <audioguy> ok, sound good
[19:16:28] <cosurgi> ok. I have server access. I need to go for a while.
[19:21:25] <NCommander> audioguy, I'm back
[19:23:01] <audioguy> Well, good. The problem I am havin is that I changed emailprograms, and cannot find a wau in this one to import a key from an email. So tried to do it by hand, but it is rejecting
[19:23:25] <NCommander> audioguy, cp authorized_files to_ncommander
[19:23:46] <audioguy> on slashcott?
[19:23:59] <NCommander> gpg --encrypt to_ncommander -a mcasadevall@ubuntu.com
[19:24:28] <NCommander> audioguy, you can retrieve my key with gpg -recv-keys 37F011893BAE3611C45B 8E15733E1A42D2247639
[19:24:35] <NCommander> audioguy, you can retrieve my key with gpg -recv-keys 37F011893BAE3611C45B8E15733E1A42D2247639
[19:24:48] <NCommander> audioguy, you can retrieve my key with gpg --recv-keys 37F011893BAE3611C45B8E15733E1A42D2247639
[19:24:51] <NCommander> Oh, centos
[19:24:53] <NCommander> You need a keyserver
[19:25:03] <NCommander> audioguy, you can retrieve my key with gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 37F011893BAE3611C45B8E15733E1A42D2247639
[19:25:04] <NCommander> :-)
[19:28:11] <audioguy> ok, got key, see if I can get my other stuff...
[19:33:53] * NCommander waits patiently
[19:39:58] <Cyprus> it might be faster to mail it at this point =P
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[19:42:22] * NCommander is a patient man
[19:43:32] <audioguy> That is what I am about to do, sorry, but you have NO IDEA what a pain in the ass this is to do. All my pgp stuff is on my work machine, all my soylent stuff is on another, and there are three different accounts involved. I have to bouce stuff all over the place in a way I normally do not have to.
[19:43:39] <audioguy> Just about there I thingk though...
[19:44:25] <cosurgi> audioguy: maybe `x11vnc -usepw -display :0` would help on one of those machines?
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[19:44:51] <cosurgi> audioguy: then `xvnc4viewer that_box:0`
[19:45:40] <cosurgi> audioguy: or, if you don't have active X session, you can start one with `vnc4server :1 -depth 16 -geometry 1280x1024`
[19:45:50] <cosurgi> but then `xvnc4viewer that_box:1`
[19:48:50] <audioguy> Fuck, I am also usig new email prgram I have never used this pgp stuff on before, and having trouble finding all the stuff needed
[19:49:15] <audioguy> No for some reason it is not showing me any keys...
[19:50:07] <audioguy> And I have no idea why, it dod work when I first tested it when installed. ;-)
[19:51:58] <NCommander> audioguy, er, to encrypt, you don't need your private key
[19:52:04] <NCommander> audioguy, you need MY public key, nothing else
[19:52:37] <NCommander> audioguy, serious, run both those commands on slashcott, no other involvement necessary
[19:52:42] <audioguy> I know how keys work, just not this fucking email program ;-)
[19:53:06] <cosurgi> audioguy: which email client do you use?
[19:53:20] * cosurgi uses claws-mail, as it is the best email client since 1999
[19:53:55] * NCommander uses thunderbird
[19:53:57] <audioguy> gpg listkeys shows your keys, and names and addresses, but when I try to send it says to select a key...but there are no choices listed.
[19:54:07] <audioguy> Maybe I need to restart the email program...
[19:54:13] <NCommander> audioguy, no, don't do it like that. Just take your authorized keys, encrypt them, send as a normal attachment
[19:54:18] <cosurgi> (it was called sylpheed-claws earlier)
[19:54:32] <NCommander> :-)
[19:54:49] * NCommander doesn't believe in over-engineering
[19:54:59] <NCommander> He said with a straight face while looking over the backend
[19:55:42] <audioguy> great, you happen to know the command to do that off the top of your head ?
[19:56:33] <janrinok> This is why encryption hasn't caught on with the masses....
[19:56:51] <NCommander> audioguy, gpg -e --armor *authorized_keys* mcasadevall@ubuntu.com
[19:57:19] <audioguy> will that prompt me for you key or just get it from the keychain?
[19:57:31] <NCommander> audioguy, sorry, drop the last argument
[19:57:37] <NCommander> audioguy, it will prompt you for the key id
[19:57:59] <audioguy> ok, so II need to grab that first... ;-)
[19:58:05] <NCommander> audioguy, gpg --encrypt --armor -r mcasadevall@ubuntu.com authorized_keys
[19:58:13] <NCommander> audioguy, full command that will put it in a format I can decrypt with my private key
[19:58:22] <NCommander> Send me authorized_keys.asc
[19:58:48] <NCommander> No prompt with that last version of the command
[19:59:06] <NCommander> (-r mcasadevall@ubuntu.com will look for that email in your pubkeys, and encrypt w/ that key)
[20:01:06] <audioguy> 'encryption failed, unusable public key
[20:01:09] <NCommander> ....
[20:01:17] <NCommander> audioguy, gpg --list-public-keys
[20:01:55] <audioguy> yeah, I already did that - this command did not prompt me for the identifier.
[20:02:02] <audioguy> maybe needs anothe switch?
[20:02:19] <NCommander> stand by
[20:02:24] * NCommander very rarely uses GPG encryption
[20:03:45] <NCommander> audioguy, try gpg --encrypt --armor -r D2247639 authorized_keys
[20:04:23] <audioguy> 'no public key'
[20:04:44] <audioguy> wait, let me try quoting thath, has a slash in it...
[20:04:58] <NCommander> a slash?
[20:05:11] <NCommander> audioguy, OH, it got the wrong key from the blasted keserver
[20:05:47] <audioguy> You know, I could cret an account for you on slashcott in less time...
[20:05:53] <NCommander> audioguy, k
[20:05:57] <audioguy> Or just send this shit in the clear. ;-)
[20:06:08] <NCommander> audioguy, https://launchpad.net
[20:06:10] <audioguy> Its not hat big a deal...
[20:06:17] * NCommander shrugs
[20:06:48] <cosurgi> damn, I also did `gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 37F011893BAE3611C45B8E15733E1A42D2247639` does it mean that I also have the wrong key?
[20:06:59] <audioguy> Or just paste them into a private message here. ;-)
[20:08:15] <NCommander> cosurgi, the key should be this
[20:08:19] <NCommander> audioguy, whatever works
[20:08:29] <NCommander> mcasadevall@tranquility:~$ gpg --fingerprint D2247639
[20:08:29] <NCommander> pub 4096R/D2247639 2011-05-12 [expires: 2014-05-16]
[20:08:29] <NCommander> Key fingerprint = 37F0 1189 3BAE 3611 C45B 8E15 733E 1A42 D224 7639
[20:08:29] <NCommander> uid Michael Casadevall <mcasadevall@ubuntu.com>
[20:08:29] <NCommander> uid Michael Casadevall <michael.casadevall@canonical.com>
[20:08:30] <NCommander> uid Michael Casadevall <mcasadevall@debian.org>
[20:08:32] <NCommander> uid Michael Casadevall <mcasadevall@kubuntu.org>
[20:08:39] <NCommander> you know
[20:08:46] <NCommander> this year, I'm going to update my GPG BEFORE it expires
[20:09:07] <NCommander> ah
[20:09:07] <NCommander> fuck
[20:09:09] <NCommander> I see the problem
[20:09:13] <NCommander> audioguy, my encryption key is expired
[20:09:22] <NCommander> audioguy, sub 2048R/C93539A8 created: 2011-05-12 expired: 2012-05-11 usage: E
[20:09:53] <NCommander> Hold on, I need to generate new subkeys
[20:12:30] <NCommander> audioguy, pushing keys
[20:13:01] <NCommander> cosurgi, audioguy gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --refresh-key D2247639
[20:13:08] <audioguy> hey, just sent them as an attachement.
[20:13:09] <NCommander> audioguy, you should be able to encrypt properly now
[20:13:40] <NCommander> audioguy, er, what's this bin?
[20:13:42] <audioguy> too late. But I will try re-importing your key and see if this works.
[20:14:04] <audioguy> change the end to txt
[20:14:06] <NCommander> audioguy, never mind, got it
[20:14:12] <NCommander> you wnt all these keys?
[20:14:20] <NCommander> audioguy, */isn't found of putting DSA keys in the LDAP*
[20:14:32] <audioguy> I really only need three.
[20:14:53] <audioguy> Pick the one you like from rsa or dsa and go with that
[20:15:13] <NCommander> k
[20:18:08] <audioguy> did the key number change?
[20:18:14] <audioguy> gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 37F011893BAE3611C45B8E15733E1A42D2247639
[20:18:16] <audioguy> ?
[20:18:58] <NCommander> audioguy, no, I just added a new expiration date
[20:19:05] <NCommander> audioguy, its refresh keys to get that
[20:19:08] <NCommander> audioguy, SSH keys enrolled
[20:19:19] <NCommander> audioguy, you should be able to access boron (staff.soylentnews.org)
[20:19:24] <xlefay> holy shit shitstorm?
[20:19:39] <audioguy> gpg: Total number processed: 1
[20:19:40] <audioguy> gpg: unchanged: 1
[20:19:41] <NCommander> xlefay, shit shat itself a few hours after we both went offline with no one else about to get in
[20:19:52] <NCommander> audioguy, meh, GPG keyservers take some time to update, don't worry about it
[20:19:56] <xlefay> they e-mailed you your ssh keys no?
[20:19:57] <audioguy> ok, will try boron...
[20:20:09] <NCommander> xlefay, now I have them. Nothing like being locked out to get keys
[20:20:16] <NCommander> xlefay, cosurgi got to play with kinit :-)
[20:20:18] <mattiep> NCommander, this seems a regular occurance, might want to set a cron to slap a few things on a weekly basis
[20:20:26] <NCommander> mattiep, ++
[20:20:35] <NCommander> !todo get mechanicjay|afk to crontab auto restarts for slash
[20:20:35] <Bender> todo item 10 added
[20:20:36] <xlefay> oh I see
[20:20:41] <NCommander> See, delgation!
[20:20:47] <xlefay> can't upstart restart slashd?
[20:20:47] <mattiep> NCommander++
[20:20:47] <Bender> karma - ncommander: 8
[20:20:58] <NCommander> xlefay, it does, but it doesn't detect if it deadlocked
[20:21:00] <xlefay> ustart? upstart?
[20:21:04] <xlefay> aah I see
[20:21:12] <NCommander> xlefay, robinld punched the emergency restart on the linode, but Apache doesn't have an init job
[20:21:17] <NCommander> so slash came back, apache went away
[20:21:22] <xlefay> I noticed
[20:21:33] <NCommander> !todo upstart job for apache
[20:21:33] <Bender> todo item 11 added
[20:21:39] <NCommander> audioguy, you in?
[20:21:46] * NCommander generates audioguy's kerberos account
[20:21:56] <xlefay> I've got to make the docs for DNS, haven't finished that yet
[20:22:06] <mattiep> I wonder if we could set it nightly? only be a few second downtime, even less with varnish and everything else that caches
[20:22:19] <xlefay> also, with our current DNS infra, we could easily use it for our regular zone
[20:22:43] <xlefay> (e.g. set our DNS as slave to linode, transfer zone, re-set NS records, serial, re-set nameservers @ domain, profit!)
[20:22:50] <NCommander> xlefay, the internal TLD was ++ brilliant
[20:22:52] <xlefay> just for future references ;-)
[20:22:58] <xlefay> it is!
[20:23:05] <NCommander> audioguy, you're kerberosed, I need to give you the password for that
[20:23:28] <audioguy> ok, I see Ubuntu comes with NO WARRANTY ;-)
[20:23:31] <NCommander> audioguy, :-P
[20:23:36] <NCommander> audioguy, you have to buy it from us
[20:23:39] <NCommander> audioguy, see PM
[20:23:40] <NCommander> audioguy,
[20:23:47] <audioguy> Wait til FTC hears about this.
[20:23:58] <xlefay> Why didn't anyone e-mail me with highest priority tho?
[20:24:06] <xlefay> I could have saved y'all a whole lot of shitstorm
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[20:24:51] * NCommander eats mattiep
[20:24:52] <NCommander> er
[20:24:53] <xlefay> (although, I'm rather glad, I did get to sleep in)
[20:24:55] * NCommander eats matt_
[20:25:14] <mattiep> umm, wow, you must be hungry.
[20:25:28] * matt_ thinks that NCommander may not realize that all of his problems will be solved by publishing his vision article :-)
[20:25:42] <xlefay> matt_: which problems might that be?
[20:25:55] <matt_> ldap, pgp, gpg, ...
[20:26:05] <NCommander> matt_, trying to get us secured and locked down. Vision is great, but a house divided still needs a stable foundation
[20:26:44] <xlefay> anyway... _someone_ *looks at martyb* stole my e-mail thread, a thread only matt_ responded to, anyone else (e.g. stderr, anyone?!) want to take a look at it?
[20:26:46] <matt_> NCommander, true, although the vision is part of the foundation.
[20:26:54] <xlefay> It's related to an NFP task force, etc......... ;-)
[20:27:08] <xlefay> s/stole/hijacked/
[20:30:07] <xlefay> btw, thank you for replying matt_ but in the future could you forgo placing '>'s yourself? e-mail programs generally do those themselves ;-)
[20:30:25] <xlefay> For a second there, I thought my replies were yours, rather confusing ;)
[20:30:52] <matt_> xlefay, ok. i should set mine up better.
[20:31:01] <NCommander> matt_, use a real mail client?
[20:31:05] <xlefay> I would appreciate that ;-)
[20:31:14] * xlefay points at Thunderbird
[20:31:27] <matt_> at least I don't have giant pgp keys attached to my emails ;)
[20:31:36] <xlefay> GPG = good
[20:31:40] <matt_> (or any security) *cough
[20:31:42] * xlefay still has to make some
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[20:33:28] <matt_> NCommander, I just wanted to check that you received my email on Friday with the edited version of your vision statement, as you requested, then I'll leave you in peace :-)
[20:33:40] <NCommander> matt_, I did. I've been mucking with the servers and doing other crap :/
[20:34:09] <matt_> NCommander, ok. I will await word from you regarding when/how you want to move forward, then.
[20:34:18] <xlefay> Anyone taking command?
[20:34:33] * NCommander is going out in a bit
[20:34:55] xlefay changed topic of #staff to: Supreme Commander: xlefay - yes, I bite!
[20:35:22] * xlefay notes if ^ doesn't work, I can always actually bite! *goes to look for GNU/bite*
[20:49:12] <mattiep> I am going to break my mud so hard in a sec
[20:51:18] <mattiep> yup
[20:51:25] <mattiep> I think I infi-looped it
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[20:57:28] <NCommander> mattiep, yay forth?
[21:00:48] <mattiep> well, it still compiles clean, but of course that means nothing
[21:02:50] <mattiep> cross fingers
[21:03:43] <paulej72> Ok I will be away for awhile bbl
[21:03:55] <mattiep> ok, I need to add some log outputs to help determine where this screws up
[21:05:30] <mattiep> I know the command, just not what step
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[21:23:29] <xlefay> audioguy: you needed to do stuff with apache on boron?
[21:23:33] <xlefay> s/needed/wanted/
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[21:29:49] <audioguy> yes, xlefay
[21:31:18] <xlefay> I'll be with you in a sec, just finishing a few things first
[21:31:45] <audioguy> I was just answering your question ;-)
[21:31:58] <audioguy> I have what I need.
[21:32:19] <xlefay> So what did you install?
[21:32:35] <audioguy> nothing yet, in the last 5 minutes ;-)
[21:33:03] <xlefay> As I understand it, you wanted to install suexec and such? We were planning on using mod_ruid2 on the services machine, might be useful to standardize it - to also use it on the Ubuntu machines?
[21:33:20] <audioguy> But I want to put up some things I am working on, and maybe some stuff I use
[21:33:43] <audioguy> NC installed it.
[21:33:49] <xlefay> mod_ruid2?
[21:33:58] <xlefay> I think we should work out what stuff we want to support on that machine
[21:34:00] <audioguy> no, suexec.
[21:34:14] <xlefay> aah ok, probably because mod_ruid2 isn't backported yet
[21:34:36] <audioguy> its a normal part of apache, I just wanted to make sure the daults used were sane
[21:34:57] <audioguy> I don't know what mod_ruid is
[21:35:17] <audioguy> defaults ;-)
[21:38:07] <audioguy> a little google, mod_ruid2
[21:38:21] <audioguy> Has nothing at all to do with what suexec does.
[21:40:50] <xlefay> How do you figure?
[21:42:17] <audioguy> mod_ruid2 is a suexec module for apache which takes advantage of POSIX.1e capabilities to increase performance.
[21:42:26] <audioguy> That is what I read
[21:43:51] <xlefay> mod_ruid2 forces scripts and stuff to run under a specific user
[21:43:55] <audioguy> a slightly faster suexec?
[21:44:03] <audioguy> ok
[21:44:19] <xlefay> http://docs.cpanel.net
[21:44:25] <audioguy> I read that as running UNDER suexec, for some reason
[21:44:54] <xlefay> ah that can happen
[21:45:11] <audioguy> what suexec does is so minimal it is hard to imagine any meaninful speed increase
[21:47:59] <NCommander> audioguy, xlefay: ruid builds cleanly w/ precise, I can put it in the backports repo
[21:48:08] <xlefay> That'd be nice ;)
[21:48:15] <audioguy> Well, reding that link, it has a list of things it is incompatible with. One of those is mode_userdir, which was exactly what this was set up to provide. ;-)
[21:48:42] <audioguy> Wont' work with userdir module
[21:49:05] <xlefay> we can change the '~username' syntax can't we?
[21:49:07] <audioguy> Actually seems to have a slightly different purpose than suexec.
[21:49:22] <audioguy> I don't WANT to change that syntax.
[21:50:16] <xlefay> Why not? It's just a tilde.
[21:50:24] <audioguy> The whole point was to give staff some stadard apache stuff they could use.
[21:50:48] <xlefay> So, removing a tilde is very non-standard?
[21:50:58] <audioguy> Beause I have a lot of personal stuff specifically made to US suexec and mod userdir, because it is safer..
[21:51:34] <audioguy> It is for pure user accounts runing in that mode.
[21:51:52] <audioguy> This is standard apache stuff.
[21:53:54] <NCommander> audioguy, suexec is installed, its in /usr/lib/apache2/suexec
[21:54:03] <audioguy> That module is incompatible with other stuff as well, and the idea was to give people a pretty standard environment to play in
[21:54:25] <audioguy> Yes, found NC, no problem there. Thanks, has reasonable defaults etc.
[21:54:41] <NCommander> audioguy, root@boron:~# sudo -u www-data /usr/lib/apache2/suexec -V
[21:54:41] <NCommander> -D SUEXEC_CONFIG_DIR=/etc/apache2/suexec/
[21:54:41] <NCommander> -D AP_GID_MIN=100
[21:54:41] <NCommander> -D AP_LOG_EXEC="/var/log/apache2/suexec.log"
[21:54:41] <NCommander> -D AP_SAFE_PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin"
[21:54:42] <NCommander> -D AP_UID_MIN=100
[21:55:06] <audioguy> I was trying to tell xlefaywhy I prefer to stick with that and pretty standard apache environment for this purpose.
[21:55:17] <audioguy> Already did that ;-)
[21:55:29] <audioguy> and apache -V as well ;-)
[21:55:57] <NCommander> audioguy, yeah, I needed apache2-suexec-common
[21:56:09] <audioguy> Its fine as is, please do not swap in modruid for it. ;-)
[21:56:13] <NCommander> (that's a seperate package to let you provide your own suexec)
[21:56:50] <audioguy> I have stuff written with standard suxec that I may want to use in my personal space.
[21:57:28] <audioguy> Adn don't want to have to change 300 instances of tilde stuff for something else. ;-)
[21:57:40] <NCommander> audioguy, but sed is awesome
[21:57:43] * NCommander ducks
[21:58:05] <audioguy> Yeah, and I seem to recall you just had lots of fun with what sed can do...
[22:00:32] <audioguy> Normally what suexec does is automatic and quite fast since apache just handles it automatically, its built in and does minimal stuff anyway.
[22:01:07] <audioguy> I think cpanel uses the other specifically because it disallows certain other modules that might be run.
[22:01:24] <xlefay> mod_ruid2 doesn't come from cpanel though
[22:01:47] <xlefay> mod_ruid2 is awesome because everything you do gets forced under your own user (I think it even setuid's to you) does suexec do that?
[22:02:05] <audioguy> I am just commenting on why I think they may have selected that, to protect a more public system I might oo, in that case. ;-)
[22:03:12] <audioguy> That is exactly what suexec does, and why I use it. I use it for writes even on my main sites specically so that ay hack of any script will at best get them usr leve access.
[22:03:45] <audioguy> Instead of the common use that apache runs under, which could provide access to other accounts.
[22:04:33] <audioguy> I have seen it work once too - had a user dumb enough to turn off phps security get hacked, and they never could get to root.
[22:05:01] <audioguy> He turned it off because it 'made it hard to program' ;-)
[22:05:28] <NCommander> audioguy, you shold play with apparmor, you'd love it
[22:05:45] <NCommander> audioguy, if you were about to get an expliot in slash or apache to run commands on web right now, you couldn't do anything.
[22:05:49] <audioguy> Yeah, looks interesting
[22:06:57] <audioguy> Definitely needed for slash.
[22:07:16] <NCommander> audioguy, I need to write one for slashd, but thats less pressing
[22:07:37] <NCommander> audioguy, as it takes input from the database, and not from users directly
[22:07:50] <audioguy> Most of what I run, I wrote. And I DO care about wrting secure code, unlike a lot of programmers.
[22:07:51] <NCommander> audioguy, BTW, also check out mod_apparmor
[22:08:01] <NCommander> for Apache
[22:08:20] <audioguy> I think slashd need to be fixed so it DOES run, first. ;)
[22:08:24] * NCommander notes Apache normally isn't easily apparmorable if you do stuff like vhosting or apparmoring. Since I compiled Apache 1.3 from source and its all non-root, its more reasonable
[22:08:27] <NCommander> audioguy, well, stopp hanging
[22:09:08] <audioguy> I mean not running is ONE soution to the security problem. ;-)
[22:09:19] <audioguy> solution
[22:09:42] <NCommander> audioguy, most secure box is one thats unplugged, encased in cement, and at the bottom of the ocean. And even then ...
[22:09:55] <audioguy> NSA has subs.
[22:10:22] <audioguy> And experience pulling up Russian subs. ;-)
[22:10:34] <audioguy> Maybe that was cia
[22:10:46] <NCommander> audioguy, even then, its a LOT of ocean to look through
[22:11:29] <audioguy> Well, they found the Russkie sub. I'm sure they would take the same care with my porn collection. ;-)
[22:12:02] * NCommander decides this is a good time write up a list of machines
[22:16:27] <NCommander> SystemAdministration/TheHitchhikersGuideToTheli694-22Domain
[22:16:42] <NCommander> I love memorial article names
[22:19:30] <audioguy> Now, all you have left is to write it. ;-)
[22:20:09] <audioguy> Good to see you writing stuff down though.
[22:20:42] <janrinok> I'm outta here - cheers guys
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[23:02:15] * NCommander is back
[23:08:31] <mattiep> wb, NCommander
[23:09:33] <NCommander> audioguy, mattiep xlefay wiki.soylentnews.org/wiki/SystemAdministration/TheHitchhikersGuideToTheli694-22Domain
[23:10:51] <mattiep> what? is this actual documentation?
[23:11:03] <mattiep> are you sure we are allowed by law to do that?
[23:11:17] <mattiep> </sarcasm>
[23:12:39] <mattiep> looks decent, very good
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[23:15:31] <NCommander> mattiep, https://launchpad.net - also, we're getting shit packaged
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[23:17:33] <mattiep> packaged shit is always good, better than exposed shit
[23:17:56] <NCommander> mattiep, I'm debating creating a li69422-config package which does all node configuration
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[23:18:19] <mattiep> for standing up new nodes? how many more do you think we are going to need soon?
[23:18:24] <xlefay> 'gcc -fPIC -DPIC -shared -I. -I../include -I../libratbox/include -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -O0 -Wall -std=gnu99 -g -g -O2 -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -Wformat -Wformat-security -DIRCD_PREFIX=\"/usr\" -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions -Wl,-z,relro cloakdb.c -lsqlite3 -o cloakdb.so'
[23:18:28] <xlefay> stderr: ^
[23:18:39] <NCommander> xlefay, link him to the build log when its done
[23:19:00] * NCommander notes all Ubuntu packages get compiled -fstack-protector :-)
[23:19:05] <NCommander> we should harden-wrapper some stuff
[23:19:10] <NCommander> like apache so we can use ALSR
[23:19:39] <xlefay> https://launchpadlibrarian.net ;-)
[23:19:51] <NCommander> Launchpad++
[23:19:51] <Bender> karma - launchpad: 1
[23:19:54] <NCommander> ahaha
[23:20:10] <NCommander> Awesome bug tracker on it too ...
[23:20:19] * NCommander notes a pity you can't use a PPA to close LP bugs
[23:20:32] <NCommander> WHen you upload an Ubuntu Package, you can do (LP: #bug number) and it auto-closes the bug
[23:21:19] <NCommander> publisher runs every 10 or so minutes if I remember correctly
[23:22:09] <mattiep> xlefay you compiling on 12.04?
[23:22:30] <NCommander> mattiep, he's compiling on the node, I showed him how to do clean builds to insure no odd results pop up
[23:22:45] <mattiep> so essentialy yes
[23:23:53] <NCommander> mattiep, yup
[23:24:00] * NCommander notes upgrading to trusty will be easy
[23:24:13] <NCommander> Just a matter of copying the packages and let it rebuild against trusty
[23:24:37] <NCommander> xlefay, stderr: -rw-r--r-- root/root 13660 2014-03-23 22:17 ./usr/lib/charybdis/modules/extensions/cloakdb.so
[23:24:49] <mattiep> that ... is a long log
[23:25:32] <xlefay> Publisher runs every 10 minutes, you mean I've got to apt-get update in about 10 mins and then it'll be apt-get'able?
[23:25:42] <NCommander> xlefay, right now, it showing as a green gear on the status page
[23:25:49] <NCommander> That means its built, but not on ppa.launchpad.net
[23:25:57] <NCommander> WHen that goes to a green check, apt-get update/apt-get install will work
[23:26:13] <xlefay> ok ;-)
[23:26:48] <xlefay> This is neat tho
[23:27:14] <NCommander> xlefay, it will also show up in landscape as a deployable package if the node is enlisted there
[23:27:26] <xlefay> I don't know if you enlisted carbon yet
[23:27:45] <xlefay> Enlisting? "The landscape army" ? :P
[23:27:50] <xlefay> landscaping*
[23:28:15] * xlefay wonders if repeatedly pressing F5 will make launchpad deploy it faster
[23:28:26] <xlefay> Deployed... ;D
[23:28:47] <xlefay> charybdis - fast, scalable irc server
[23:28:48] <xlefay> charybdis-li694 - fast, scalable irc server
[23:28:50] <xlefay> ;-)
[23:28:59] <NCommander> :-)
[23:29:22] * NCommander notes the GPG key for that Launchpad PPA is imported
[23:29:28] <NCommander> xlefay, so go for it, apt-get install it!
[23:29:33] <xlefay> already on it!
[23:29:51] <xlefay> :-/
[23:30:07] <xlefay> invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/charybdis not found.
[23:30:09] <xlefay> dpkg: error processing charybdis-li694 (--configure):
[23:30:11] <xlefay> guess we forgot something?
[23:30:26] <NCommander> Hrm ................
[23:30:41] <xlefay> [22:21] root@carbon $ cat debian/init.d
[23:30:59] <NCommander> Oh
[23:31:00] <xlefay> does exist... but it may not be valid anymore before we removed the original patches which didn't apply to our version?
[23:31:01] <NCommander> Yeah
[23:31:09] <NCommander> GIve me a sec
[23:31:13] <xlefay> ok ;)
[23:31:13] * NCommander can fix this
[23:31:22] <xlefay> ^ what else is now ;')
[23:31:27] <xlefay> s/o/e/
[23:31:47] <NCommander> xlefay, the init script got renamed
[23:32:02] <NCommander> Is /etc/init.d/charybdis-li683 a think?
[23:32:05] <NCommander> *thing
[23:32:37] <xlefay> /etc/init.d/charybdis-li694
[23:32:50] <NCommander> charybdis-li694/etc/init.d/charybdis-li694
[23:32:51] <NCommander> Yeah
[23:32:53] <NCommander> That's what happened
[23:32:54] <NCommander> Fixing
[23:33:30] <NCommander> xlefay, its harmless, just means that li694 didn't autostart
[23:33:39] <NCommander> xlefay, service charybdis-li694 start :-)
[23:33:55] <xlefay> Yeah, ubuntu has something else than chkconfig iirc?
[23:34:00] <xlefay> which is? ;-)
[23:34:02] <NCommander> upstart
[23:34:07] <NCommander> xlefay, update-rc.d
[23:34:13] <xlefay> update-rc.d aah yes, now I remember
[23:34:27] <NCommander> xlefay, run invoke-rc.d charybdis-li694 start
[23:34:31] <NCommander> Which will make the links
[23:34:36] <xlefay> awesome
[23:37:04] <NCommander> xlefay, I'm uploading a fixed package now, but you need to run that command manually, after you do it, you should be able to use service to start it up
[23:37:32] <xlefay> I ran that command after I said 'awesome' ;-)
[23:39:29] <NCommander> awesome
[23:40:16] <NCommander> xlefay, BTW, apt-get source charybdis-li694 will also work like you expect it
[23:43:00] <xlefay> apt-get is pretty neat ;D
[23:43:12] <xlefay> Next up, atheme IRC services... hah ;-)