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[04:25:44] <mrcoolbp> phew: just sent a quasi-novella to soylentstaff
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[04:38:33] <xlefay> Cyprus: no-one besides me heard you
[04:39:14] <xlefay> you first gotta /cs voice #staff
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[04:40:56] <xlefay> '[03/20/14 04:37:58] <Cyprus> [04:26:48] anyone around that wants to look at something? I think the author cache task (or something else, but i think this is the root cause) isn't running properly, which screws anyone who stumbles into saving the homepage settings'
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[04:42:01] <Cyprus> thanks, i was gonna ask you to relay that one, lost my scrollback it in the disconnect
[04:42:54] <xlefay> aah k, didn't know you disconnected (only just re-attached this channel)
[04:43:25] <Cyprus> i dropped out when my client decided to paste my clipboard into #soylent to stop it
[04:43:45] <xlefay> oh
[04:43:47] <xlefay> rofl
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[04:45:14] <Cyprus> short version: author list not current, so if you save settings, you can never see posts again except from the orig 4 people. I managed to fix it for him (and myself - got affected trying to see what he was talking about) by manually changing the page data with author id's ripped from the old stuff interface
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[04:53:34] <SkyNet> DOPEFISH LIVES
[04:54:04] <Dopefish> indeed he does
[04:54:07] <Dopefish> what's up Skynet?
[04:54:20] <mrcoolbp> lol, that's a bot, but what is up Dopefish?
[04:54:22] <xlefay> !grab Dopefish
[04:54:23] <Bender> Added quote 65
[04:54:27] <mrcoolbp> .op
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[04:54:30] <SkyNet> not much
[04:54:34] <Dopefish> so wow
[04:54:36] <Dopefish> when I log in
[04:54:41] <xlefay> kobach, you little shit lol
[04:54:42] <Dopefish> it greets me with that
[04:54:44] <Dopefish> that's awesome
[04:54:45] <xlefay> he's not even here
[04:55:03] <SkyNet> LOL
[04:55:20] <Dopefish> I'm good. Just checking back in because I heard some new editors came on board and I have been following the saga of the non-profit stuff
[04:56:30] <Cyprus> ok since no one responded, i submitted it as a bug once i found the tracker, that's all i needed.
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[04:58:12] <mrcoolbp> Dopefish: what have you been up to?
[05:02:45] <SkyNet> probably living
[05:02:46] <Dopefish> oh in transition for a promotion
[05:02:57] <Dopefish> hence my lack of appearance as of late :/
[05:03:03] <Dopefish> but I've been posting when i can
[05:03:20] <Dopefish> promotion at my main job. It's been lots of study
[05:03:48] <Dopefish> on IBM Cognos 10 Reporting
[05:11:49] <mrcoolbp> congratz
[05:14:26] <Dopefish> thanks man :D
[05:14:43] <Dopefish> I'm just glad this site is still alive :D
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[05:29:28] * mrcoolbp is done spamming the staff with emails for tonight
[05:30:01] * xlefay feels relieved
[05:30:30] <mrcoolbp> you should
[05:31:02] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: at least my emails are not War&Peace novels
[05:31:14] <xlefay> hmm, that's true
[05:31:18] <xlefay> but they could be!
[05:31:28] * mrcoolbp strokes his neckbeard
[05:31:32] <mrcoolbp> hmmm
[05:31:38] <xlefay> ha :p
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[11:45:05] <NCommander> Honestly
[11:45:13] <NCommander> I don't get these stat emails
[11:46:12] <MrBluze> ?
[11:46:19] <MrBluze> hi NCommander
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[14:52:44] <mrcoolbp> .op
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[14:53:07] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: do they not have the word "sleep" in your country?
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[15:03:51] <mrcoolbp> hey bytram
[15:03:55] <mrcoolbp> saw your email
[15:06:36] <mrcoolbp> and basically that is where we stand with the name vote. Of course a slash option would be idea, but as you'll notice from NCommander's 1st email (in that thread) there is a desire for expediency which won't allow to completely rework the slashcode pollbooth. That leaves us with third party options for the short-term (at least for this vote). One of your other options might be viable but I'm
[15:06:36] <mrcoolbp> guessing we'll need a strike team to implement (you mentioned a script scraping the votes and collecting them).
[15:06:55] <mrcoolbp> s/idea/ideal/
[15:07:00] * NCommander is around, just feeling tired and burned out
[15:07:21] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: hoping that you feel better soon.
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[15:07:34] <mrcoolbp> oh well he left now....
[15:08:10] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: what is the url to view a user based on their UID?
[15:10:19] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, we have one of those?
[15:10:33] <mrcoolbp> I thought so..
[15:14:56] <Landon> zoo.pl
[15:15:04] <Landon> you have to be logged in however
[15:16:02] <mrcoolbp> Landon: can you elaborate?
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[15:19:10] <janrinok> hi everybody
[15:19:18] <mrcoolbp> hey janrinok
[15:19:36] <mrcoolbp> trying to figure out the name change voting method currently, thoughts?
[15:19:43] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: how are you today?
[15:19:53] <mrcoolbp> tired, but motivated
[15:19:57] <mrcoolbp> yourself?
[15:20:05] <janrinok> I thought we were looking at specific bits of software for that problem?
[15:20:12] <Landon> mrcoolbp: no :(
[15:20:23] <mrcoolbp> Landon?
[15:20:25] <janrinok> tired but motivated also, particularly tired though... :-)
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[15:20:31] <mrcoolbp> yeah
[15:20:36] * mrcoolbp just woke up
[15:20:47] <Landon> that's all I remember
[15:20:52] <mrcoolbp> Cyprus: I saw the bug you mentioned, thanks for posting it
[15:21:13] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: zoo.pl? (WRT to UID url)
[15:21:36] <NCommander> possibly
[15:21:55] <mrcoolbp> I'm not sure how to use it....
[15:22:00] <janrinok> Landon: NCommander hi to you both
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[15:23:05] <janrinok> I'd better get editing and give LaminatorX a bit of a break...
[15:23:07] <Cyprus> mrcoolbp: np
[15:25:53] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: how many software voting packages have we looked at?
[15:26:37] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: "we" haven't really looked at any, I sent an email (2 actually) with a few that I found after about 30 minutes of searching and investigating
[15:26:43] <mrcoolbp> did you see the thread?
[15:26:51] <mrcoolbp> (email thread on mailing list)
[15:27:05] <janrinok> Sorry, I haven't check my emails yet - I'd better start that up as well...
[15:27:21] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: I'm starting to think we need a new team to handle things on this: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[15:27:37] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: they don't seem to naturally fall in one group in particular
[15:27:44] <janrinok> Damn - 19 emails from the mailing list alone!
[15:27:51] <mrcoolbp> yeah...
[15:28:16] <mrcoolbp> setting up the mailing list was crucial, and I'm glad it's there, I just hope we can work towards a more elegant solution
[15:29:15] <janrinok> Its not a problem with the mailing list - but I've only just turned my computers on for the day - hopefully, things will not keep arriving at this rate!
[15:30:53] <NCommander> yeah, no kidding
[15:31:50] <janrinok> Sorry - they are all 'action' for you whereas I can at least do mine in slow time.
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[15:33:04] <mrcoolbp> a slash implementation of staff communication *might* be more elegant...audioguy was working hard at it, but hit a wall where we need to make a change in the apache gode
[15:33:47] <bytram> that was wierd... looked like I was logged in, but didn't see anyone else's stuff. :(
[15:34:14] <mrcoolbp> *code
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[15:35:22] * NCommander isn't sure what a staff slash would give us
[15:35:37] <mrcoolbp> martyb: saw your email and basically that is where we stand with the name vote. Of course a slash option would be idea, but as you'll notice from NCommander's 1st email (in that thread) there is a desire for expediency, NCommander is still considering re-working the poll booth. The other option leaves us with third party options for the short-term (at least for this vote). One of your other
[15:35:37] <mrcoolbp> options might be viable but I'm guessing we'll need a strike team to implement (you mentioned a script scraping the votes and collecting them).
[15:35:55] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: it might be more elegant (no more inline quotes)
[15:36:12] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: our emailboxes would thank us?
[15:36:48] * mrcoolbp is tired
[15:37:11] <bytram> hmmm, thinking...
[15:37:14] <bytram> !current-uid
[15:37:15] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 3910, owned by Primitive Pete
[15:38:23] <bytram> mrcoolbp: I just looked over the #staff log.... if you want, I can get you a mapping of UID to/from NICK.
[15:39:22] <mrcoolbp> bytram a use emailed me and it looks like his username doesn't exist, wanted to check the UID
[15:39:34] <mrcoolbp> s/use/user/
[15:40:05] <bytram> ok... u can tell me, here, or pm me.
[15:40:10] * mrcoolbp needs more coffee
[15:40:54] <bytram> mrcoolbp: I'm on it...
[15:41:05] <mrcoolbp> thanks
[15:43:26] <mrcoolbp> BRB breakfast
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[15:55:44] <bytram> hello? I keep getting booted off, silently.
[15:56:00] <drcoolbp> I can hear you
[15:56:04] <janrinok> ditto
[15:56:20] * janrinok perhaps that's why he gets booted off?
[15:56:20] <bytram> everything looks fine, but I eventually notice that I don't hear anyone and my input goes nowhere...
[15:56:34] <bytram> =)
[15:57:08] <janrinok> Seriously, I have long periods when no-one responds to my input. I'm never sure if I'm saying something stupid, or others don't see my comment.
[15:57:12] <drcoolbp> Landon: people are getting booted ^
[15:59:04] <Landon> that's strange, but a ping timeout makes me assume it's your connection somehow
[15:59:15] <Landon> perhaps your workplace doesn't approve of IRC and silently kills it :)
[16:00:56] <drcoolbp> Landon: I've noticed it's been quiet around here the past few days, I'm hoping there isn't an issue with the servers
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[16:01:07] <drcoolbp> There he goes again
[16:01:09] <Landon> hrm
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[16:03:15] <janrinok> hi weeds_
[16:03:27] <drcoolbp> .op
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[16:04:08] <janrinok> drcoolbp: might be another of my silly questions - what is the reason for your 2 nicks?
[16:04:15] <drcoolbp> <weeds_> good morning (if itis...)
[16:04:30] <Landon> if martyb manages to make it back on, can you tell him to try an alternate port?
[16:04:34] <drcoolbp> Making breakfast, on tablet in kitchen
[16:04:36] <Landon> I think we have 6697 and 7000 for SSL
[16:04:42] <Landon> and 6660-6670 for non-SSL
[16:04:43] <janrinok> ok thx drcoolbp
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[16:05:34] <kobach> ill be here, once i get through the emails
[16:06:35] <janrinok> kobach: hi - I'll wait until you've finished your emails.
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[16:06:59] <kobach> hi janrinok , everyone
[16:07:05] <mrcoolbp> Landon: anything look unusual on the server?
[16:07:27] <janrinok> brb
[16:07:32] <Landon> dunnoit, you'd have to ping xlefay
[16:07:57] <mrcoolbp> I mentioned his name a few times, I think he is actually sleeping
[16:08:12] <mrcoolbp> which is good, was starting to think he was a bot, he rarely sleeps
[16:08:31] <Landon> I'm also a bot
[16:08:33] <Landon> I just never talk
[16:08:35] <Landon> :)
[16:08:37] <mrcoolbp> = )
[16:08:38] <kobach> he just sleeps in like 3hr spurts multiple times through the day
[16:08:53] <kobach> hence hes on everyones and no ones timezone
[16:09:28] <kobach> occasionally he'll get in 5-8hrs including food etc
[16:09:31] <mrcoolbp> Landon: you don't have access to the server?
[16:09:48] <kobach> hmmm local girls looking for a booty call in my area
[16:09:54] <kobach> i think that was supposed to go to spam
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[16:12:12] <mrcoolbp> bytram: got your message, can you look up by email as well?
[16:12:15] <bytram> thank god for the logs on-line... tried other ports no joy...
[16:12:27] <bytram> mrcoolbp: don't know.... trying to stay on IRC!
[16:12:36] <mrcoolbp> true
[16:12:48] <bytram> tried ports 6660, 6661, 6662, and 6670.
[16:12:58] <Cyprus> if it's only when you're quiet, it might just be low idle connection kill time on a nat point / fw. Set up a no-op every so often and see if it fixes it.
[16:13:24] <mrcoolbp> Landon: ^^^
[16:13:38] <mrcoolbp> Landon: you don't have access to the IRC server?
[16:15:40] <Landon> actually, no
[16:15:47] <Landon> just irc oper status
[16:17:03] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: still asleep?
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[16:18:02] <mrcoolbp> Cyprus: seems to be happening almost immediately for bytram
[16:18:31] <kobach> and im here
[16:18:58] <mrcoolbp> kobach: do you have access to the IRC server?
[16:19:04] <kobach> what needs done
[16:19:12] <mrcoolbp> kobach: are you following this discussion?
[16:19:25] <kobach> id have to go look at the logs
[16:19:28] <mrcoolbp> kobach: people are getting booted (janrinok and bytram)
[16:19:43] <kobach> ok
[16:19:59] <kobach> its still early, tell me what on the irc server is going to help that
[16:20:01] <mechanicjay> Alright -- I have a journal article written up expaling the 3 situation that can occur when people complain about Front page differences for AC vs Auth'd browsing. Is someone willing to proof and sanity check before I post?
[16:20:17] <mrcoolbp> mechanicjay: available
[16:20:18] <mechanicjay> I'm hoping it'll help stop people from bitching needlessly.
[16:20:43] <mrcoolbp> kobach: not sure, you are the IRC guy
[16:21:01] <janrinok> a forlorn hope I fear, but a good idea nevertheless :-) mechanicjay
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[16:21:07] <mrcoolbp> kobach: Cypress mentioned something about a low idle connection kill time on a nat point / fw
[16:21:15] <kobach> thts on their end
[16:21:19] <kobach> everyone else is fine
[16:21:25] <mrcoolbp> kobach: not sure though as it is happening for bytram almost immediately
[16:21:41] <mrcoolbp> janrinok had a similar issues
[16:21:53] <Cyprus> immediate would be something diff
[16:21:54] <kobach> hmmmm
[16:22:13] <mrcoolbp> mechanicjay: available for sanity check
[16:22:50] <mechanicjay> mrcoolbp: thanks, emailed
[16:24:52] <mrcoolbp> mechanicjay: proofreading
[16:25:38] <janrinok> kobach: I've been fine today but I have had problems. Doesn't appear to be anything obviously wrong at my end.
[16:26:20] <kobach> oh wow france
[16:28:26] * NCommander is back
[16:30:54] <kobach> hmm
[16:31:21] <kobach> well my ping to google isnt much better than to the irc server, let me check on the server
[16:33:54] <kobach> whoops no can do
[16:34:34] <kobach> speedtest gives good ping but thats obv to closest server
[16:35:37] <kobach> http://www.speedtest.net
[16:36:57] <kobach> lets try to us
[16:39:39] * NCommander is rebuilding the dev box
[16:40:10] <kobach> 25ms to the us
[16:40:25] * kobach looks for french servers
[16:41:47] <NCommander> mechanicjay, you about?
[16:41:57] <mrcoolbp> mechanicjay: email sent
[16:42:13] <mechanicjay> NCommander: I am
[16:43:17] <NCommander> mechanicjay, linode account created, I set the email to your email you use on the list. Do a reset password for mechanicjay as the username to get the password
[16:43:39] <mrcoolbp> changing topics slightly: I'm I the only one that likes "ionews.org" as in "I/O news"
[16:43:44] <mrcoolbp> ?
[16:43:59] <mechanicjay> seems to close to io9
[16:44:03] <kobach> not i, i still go with ^
[16:44:15] <janrinok> its OK but might need time to grow on me mrcoolbp
[16:44:49] <mrcoolbp> understood, thanks guys
[16:45:17] <mrcoolbp> OKAY: so I was starting to see this problem with the "long list" of names, none of them were truly awesome names
[16:45:37] <kobach> BNN was best
[16:46:02] <mechanicjay> NCommander: I'm in, thank you!
[16:46:20] <mrcoolbp> I *still* like the "ionews" name (yet aknoledge the similarity to io9), and I kinda like geekcard.org, BNN kinda works, thoughts?
[16:46:26] <mrcoolbp> do we need more suggestions?
[16:46:51] <mrcoolbp> this whole thing is turning into a nightmare between finding good names (that are already owned) and a good voting system
[16:46:53] <NCommander> mechanicjay, do you really send your email from a machine running VMS 8.4?
[16:47:17] <mechanicjay> NCommander: only the ones with that sig.
[16:47:29] <NCommander> mechanicjay, points for fucking awesomeness
[16:47:32] <mechanicjay> :)
[16:47:35] <NCommander> mechanicjay, I thought my emails from a HURD box were awesome
[16:47:42] * NCommander is giving up on gopher for April 1st
[16:48:44] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: ping...
[16:49:40] <kobach> maybe his money didnt show up today so the server is getting unplugged
[16:49:43] <kobach> idk
[16:50:30] * NCommander nukes the dev server
[16:51:14] <Landon> NCommander: noooo
[16:51:28] <NCommander> Landon, the old fusionforge instance
[16:51:33] <NCommander> We're getting a proper dev server now
[16:51:40] <Landon> no, on the gopher
[16:51:48] <Landon> also, BNN is awesome, if only it wasn't f*ing bacon
[16:51:59] <NCommander> Binary News Network?
[16:52:01] * Landon notes you could get a .news domainf or that too :)
[16:52:04] <NCommander> Landon, I just don't have time to do it by 4/1
[16:52:54] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: the lower right slashbox on soylentnews main still links to FF.......
[16:53:19] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, we need to fix those
[16:53:19] <NCommander> Ugh
[16:53:25] <NCommander> !todo fix slashboxs
[16:53:25] <Bender> todo item 9 added
[16:54:40] <NCommander> Wow
[16:54:44] <NCommander> Our DNS setup is terrorifying
[16:55:26] <mrcoolbp> binarynews.net is not wholly available (it says "transfer")
[16:55:37] <mechanicjay> NCommander: Agreed -- hence why I've been bugging you for access since the migration ;)
[16:55:55] <mechanicjay> 1/2 the entries are BlueHost CPanel specific crap that just need to go
[16:56:05] <kobach> baconnews.net is already purchased also mrcoolbp, so we know its available
[16:56:23] <mrcoolbp> yeah but there is an aversion to using bacon in the name
[16:56:34] <kobach> but its available ;)
[16:56:35] <mrcoolbp> we'd like the name associated with tech rather then bacon
[16:56:35] * NCommander is going to veto bacon in the name
[16:56:39] <NCommander> We might offend the vegetarians
[16:56:46] <kobach> i was thinking jews and muslims
[16:56:49] <kobach> fuck the vegetarians
[16:56:52] <kobach> lol
[16:56:57] * NCommander facepalms
[16:57:02] <mechanicjay> HA!
[16:57:08] <kobach> sry i had to say it
[16:57:17] <NCommander> We're collectively going to hell
[16:57:22] <kobach> rofl
[16:57:34] <NCommander> Just saying
[16:57:35] <Landon> /part I'd better get out so you don't drag me down
[16:57:41] <kobach> too late
[16:57:52] <NCommander> /part lets let Jon run it, I like my soul
[16:57:53] * NCommander ducks
[16:59:11] <kobach> lol
[16:59:27] <kobach> im just saying, theres bigger concerns than vegs
[16:59:54] * NCommander feels offended
[17:00:04] <kobach> its a relative thing
[17:00:18] <kobach> lol
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[17:01:53] <mrcoolbp> sigh
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[17:02:23] <bytram> okay.... I think I'm back did a hard boot of my pc
[17:02:29] <bytram> logging in using: http://chat.soylentnews.org
[17:03:15] <bytram> !current-uid
[17:03:15] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 3912, owned by godshatter
[17:03:23] <NCommander> godshatter?
[17:03:25] <janrinok> bytram: er, haven't you just said the word that must never be spoken?
[17:03:37] <janrinok> lol
[17:03:48] * bytram knows not what word that might be?
[17:03:57] <janrinok> our chan
[17:03:59] <bytram> ummm, yes.
[17:04:03] <bytram> sry
[17:04:04] <janrinok> lololo
[17:04:24] <bytram> dunno how long I'll last and wanted to provide debug info before I got hosed, again.
[17:04:28] <janrinok> I only gave it a month in any case....
[17:04:48] <bytram> s/past/paste/
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[17:06:47] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: janrinok and martyb were reporting some minor issues with IRC (getting booted, no one was hearing what they said)
[17:09:14] -!- bytram has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
[17:09:23] <janrinok> there he goes again....
[17:09:27] <mrcoolbp> yup
[17:09:36] <xlefay> _so much backlog_
[17:09:40] <xlefay> what's up?
[17:09:48] <mrcoolbp> bytram keeps getting booted
[17:10:02] <mrcoolbp> he restarted his machine but it seems to be still happening
[17:10:03] <xlefay> hmm that's unfortunate
[17:10:14] <mrcoolbp> janrinok was having a similar issue
[17:10:22] <xlefay> There can be several causes, it may be his net, it may be a router in between, etc.
[17:10:28] <mrcoolbp> also I noticed a lot of quit/joins last night
[17:10:38] <xlefay> The server itself isn't showing any issues so, it's somewhere else.
[17:10:42] <mrcoolbp> hmm
[17:10:53] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: Landon doesn't have access to the server?
[17:11:22] <xlefay> I've changed SSH settings yeah, if he lost access he didn't message me about it. Why?
[17:11:38] <xlefay> (not that he could do anything on root level anyway)
[17:11:46] <mrcoolbp> 'cause we were trying to look into it and he said we'd have to wait for you
[17:12:07] <mrcoolbp> not that you haven't been around a lot, just thinking along our duplication of priveledges discussion from last week
[17:12:22] <xlefay> That's not true at all. Even with SSH you can't fix something that isn't broken om my side. There are a ton of ways to troubleshoot it from the affected sides.
[17:12:35] LaminatorX is now known as LaminatorX|afk
[17:12:36] <xlefay> You often start with a standard traceroute, to see for problems in between
[17:12:51] <xlefay> (as in bytram and/or janrinok start with there)
[17:13:06] <NCommander> um
[17:13:07] <NCommander> wow
[17:13:08] <NCommander> fuck
[17:13:15] <mrcoolbp> bytram is trying but he keeps getting booted
[17:13:20] <mrcoolbp> (i think)
[17:13:32] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: care to elaborate on that?
[17:13:38] <xlefay> he doesn't get booted, his connection gets broken, either at his side or somewhere in between him and the server
[17:13:48] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, not in a public visible channel
[17:14:48] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: when he rejoins I can reccommend he traceroute
[17:15:03] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: <+bytram> dunno how long I'll last and wanted to provide debug info before I got hosed, again.
[17:15:12] <mrcoolbp> he "quit" seconds later
[17:15:31] <xlefay> mrcoolbp: the server sends a 'PING' to every client about every 2 minutes, if the client doesn't send PONG, or the PONG doesn't get back to the server, the server "disconnects" the client with 'Ping Timeout' because the client is then a ghost
[17:15:59] <mrcoolbp> so his client isn't responding to the 'ping'
[17:16:07] <mrcoolbp> it seems like it's ~2min
[17:16:13] <mrcoolbp> maybe even less though
[17:16:17] <xlefay> The fact there currently are 100 clients connected to the server indicates there's nothing wrong on my end
[17:16:56] <mrcoolbp> good
[17:16:57] <xlefay> nope, server sends the command every 2 minutes, and has a small "waiting time", maybe he changed something in his firewall?
[17:17:27] <xlefay> Perhaps his ISP is having trouble? A router between him and here? etc.
[17:17:35] <janrinok> xlefay: Thanks for that explanation - I had similar problems a day or two ago but I am prepared to believe that it was caused by something nearer to home i.e. my ISP!
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[17:17:52] <NCommander> Well that security hole got plugged
[17:17:57] -!- xyzzyyzzyx [xyzzyyzzyx!~48f3b602@72.243.zhg.v] has parted #staff
[17:18:23] <xlefay> mrcoolbp: tell martyb to try and connect to:
[17:18:41] <xlefay> let him make sure not to keep that IP locked in his config since it's going down soon
[17:18:52] <mrcoolbp> okay thanks
[17:19:27] * NCommander is removing SSH on the public interface
[17:20:10] <xlefay> (also, ping timeouts are very common on IRC, generally there's not much to worry about - but if it happens a lot, you start troubleshooting the regular way, not at the servers end - cause 99 times it's not there.. if there are a ton of users on IRC that is)
[17:23:25] <mrcoolbp> Landon mentioned trying alternate ports, but that didn't seem to help mr. bytram
[17:23:51] <xlefay> Of course it wouldn't, that's silly
[17:23:51] <mrcoolbp> he did mention it was probably a problem on the client end
[17:24:06] <xlefay> It's somewhere with the clients net or in between, switching ports isn't going to fix that
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[17:25:03] <janrinok> xyzz seems to be having problems joining too!
[17:25:57] <xlefay> not really, he's simply /part'ing and /join'ing
[17:26:18] <mrcoolbp> on #Soylent too though
[17:26:27] <janrinok> ok - I'm not sure why he would though
[17:26:30] <xlefay> Well, that's him doing so
[17:27:01] <janrinok> anyway, xlefay how are you apart from still being tired?
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[17:27:29] <xlefay> still having a cold, you?
[17:27:46] <janrinok> I'm good - sorry to hear of your cold.
[17:28:43] <janrinok> mind you - I think everyone is tired. It seems to be a common complaint around these parts.
[17:28:54] <xlefay> yea
[17:29:04] * mrcoolbp is tired
[17:29:26] <janrinok> I _know_ NCommander is tired
[17:30:57] <janrinok> bytram: will you be with us for long?....
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[17:31:45] <janrinok> apparently not...
[17:31:46] * NCommander has half of the dev box setup
[17:31:49] <NCommander> Slashcode is installed
[17:31:50] <NCommander> yay
[17:32:16] <janrinok> NCommander: great - what's next?
[17:34:29] <NCommander> janrinok, need to dump the production database, scrub it with a massive search/replace, and re-import on the dev box
[17:35:10] <janrinok> OK - is that a big job?
[17:35:18] <janrinok> or easily scriptable
[17:35:34] <NCommander> janrinok, easily scriptable
[17:35:43] <janrinok> the best kind of big jobs.....
[17:36:00] <NCommander> It just takes a lot of time due to the sheer amount of data in the DB
[17:36:23] <janrinok> Its something to watch for a while ;-)
[17:36:43] <janrinok> Its almost as good as 'It's compiling'
[17:39:16] <NCommander> But compiling gives you console output
[17:39:21] <NCommander> Importing a database gives you an empty prompt
[17:42:30] <mrcoolbp> okay I need a team, we need to really look at this name change thing
[17:42:51] <mrcoolbp> xlefay, interested in helping?
[17:43:01] <mrcoolbp> audioguy?
[17:43:15] <mrcoolbp> (also anyone else?)
[17:43:34] <mrcoolbp> I'll send out an email asking for volunteers....
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[17:47:53] <xlefay> mrcoolbp: I'm just going to pay the server for now and I'm going back to bed
[17:47:57] <xlefay> I'm tired and not feeling well
[17:48:15] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: no problem, get better
[17:49:15] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: martyb/bytram just emailed me an error log
[17:49:34] <xlefay> ... and paid
[17:49:38] <xlefay> mrcoolbp: can you forward it?
[17:49:46] <mrcoolbp> he sent it to you as well
[17:49:57] <xlefay> God, I've got 20+ emails waiting
[17:50:16] <NCommander> LDAP fucking sucks
[17:50:25] <NCommander> 'nough said
[17:50:34] <xlefay> 3 212 ms 182 ms 196 ms
[17:50:35] <xlefay> 4 reports: Destination net unreachable.
[17:50:48] <xlefay> Welll............ 10.* that explains that
[17:51:04] <mrcoolbp> lag is too long?
[17:51:18] <xlefay> no. He doesn't even get anywhere remotely near the server
[17:51:19] * NCommander notes our comment counts look healither
[17:52:22] <xlefay> 10.* is an internal network at his ISP or at his work (not sure where he is), that's not even remotely close to my server, he tries to "go out of his network" but he can't reach, at this point. I can safely say, the problem is on his or his ISP or his workplace -'s side.
[17:52:38] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: can you respond to him? I'm not sure what to tell him...
[17:52:39] <xlefay> (or at his home... but I doubt he'll be using 10.32.211. range at home....)
[17:52:50] <xlefay> also the first two hops don't make much sense to me
[17:52:52] <xlefay> <-- confused
[17:54:28] <xlefay> 1 233 ms 1384 ms 179 ms <--- speaks for itself I think
[17:54:50] <xlefay> I'm guessing his ISP is having troubles and he's just lagging out all the time...
[17:55:10] <NCommander> reminds me of living in Domianic Republic
[17:55:22] * NCommander swears he got a traceroute going through the same router twice
[17:56:25] <Cyprus> umm.... is that cell modem ip space?
[17:56:26] <stderr> Only one router and only twice? I have seen routers playing ping-pong with the packets. :-/
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[17:56:27] <xlefay> NCommander: martyb's traceroute doesn't make a whole lot of sense
[17:56:42] * NCommander needs to do surgery
[17:56:42] <martyb> hi... I'm trying to use mIRC for the time being...
[17:56:42] <NCommander> Ugh
[17:56:54] <xlefay> two appearingly public IPs then a local IP, seems like it's a weird set up
[17:56:59] <Cyprus> because it looks like cell modem ip space
[17:57:05] <martyb> not sure what I did, but it seems to have let me on.
[17:57:06] <NCommander> I've seen that before
[17:57:14] <NCommander> A lot of shit seems to route 10.x to the net
[17:57:17] <martyb> it is; I tether my phone to go online
[17:57:32] <xlefay> but... he goes through two public IPs which is odd
[17:57:34] <NCommander> martyb, Andoird phone?
[17:57:43] <martyb> nope. old bb
[17:57:47] <NCommander> Yeah
[17:57:49] <NCommander> That explains it
[17:57:51] <Cyprus> you're trying to tether irc? ok i'm bowing out of this one, before i start laughing
[17:58:06] <martyb> it's worked fine for, what, a month?
[17:58:06] <xlefay> Tethering for IRC should just work fine tho
[17:58:13] <NCommander> Your data is going BB<->phone carrier<->RIM<->public et
[17:58:17] <xlefay> IRC is very low traffic so it shouldn't be too much
[17:58:23] <martyb> and it is what I'm using at the moment.
[17:58:24] <NCommander> ALL data with a blackberry passes through RIMs backend
[17:58:28] <Cyprus> its not the traffic, its trying to maintain a tcp state
[17:58:41] <xlefay> Cyprus: true, I was worried about that originally, but it seemed to work fine for a while
[17:58:57] <NCommander> (there are a couple of exceptions but RIM's default tethering settings I believe requires full service books)
[17:59:03] <xlefay> I guess it could be that but after working for so long... I dunno
[18:00:02] <martyb> to make sure it's clear; I was using the web client running on firefox on windows xp / sp3 tethered threough a bb, and it has worked fine up until today
[18:00:08] <Cyprus> my expectation for that kind of connection would be it works unless it doesn't for a while
[18:00:19] <NCommander> !quote
[18:00:19] <Bender> quote <ID/search string>
[18:00:23] <NCommander> !quote NCommander
[18:00:23] <Bender> Quote 0 - <NCommander> mattie_p, I dunno, are you going to mail me an explosive device if I have you edit ANOTHER 3k novel?
[18:00:27] <Bender> Also in quotes: 2, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 15, 17, 18, 19, 21, 22, 23, 25, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 35, 37, 42, 43, 46, 52, 53, 54, 55, 58, 61, 62
[18:00:29] <martyb> the only recent change, that I can think of, is that I took down a firefox update last night from v24.3.0 to v24.4.0
[18:00:36] <xlefay> holy shit
[18:00:40] NCommander is now known as MajorTom
[18:01:06] MajorTom is now known as NCommander
[18:01:30] <mrcoolbp> this is ground control.....
[18:01:36] <NCommander> xlefay, if this Soylent shit doesn't work out, I'm just going to post a million NCommanderisms
[18:01:41] <xlefay> hahahaha
[18:01:45] <xlefay> !grab NCommander
[18:01:45] <Bender> Added quote 66
[18:02:01] <xlefay> "And the new comedian on the block is *drums* NCommander!"
[18:02:22] <NCommander> !quote 62
[18:02:22] <Bender> Quote 62 - <xlefay> NCommander: oh, no-one can stop us now ;-)
[18:02:35] <xlefay> You know it'
[18:02:40] * mrcoolbp goes back to furiously typing emails
[18:02:43] <martyb> okay, fwiw, I've been on longer, right now, than I have at any other time all day.
[18:02:58] <NCommander> http://www.youtube.com - holy crap, this is win
[18:02:58] <xlefay> martyb: I'll forgo replying to your e-mail then ;-)
[18:03:16] <martyb> xlefay LOL!
[18:03:26] <xlefay> I had it all written up and man!
[18:03:33] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: I saw that via the "other site" a while ago but I'm glad to be watching again
[18:03:36] <xlefay> Did you really have to get it fixed?!
[18:03:38] <martyb> well, send it then... no need to repeat
[18:03:47] <xlefay> I just discarded it :P
[18:03:53] <martyb> blegh.
[18:03:57] <xlefay> Glad your connection works now tho, let's see how long it lasts
[18:04:12] <martyb> not fixed.... I'm using a 30-day trial of mirc atm
[18:04:23] <xlefay> install HexChat ;-)
[18:04:31] <martyb> i've got win xp
[18:04:40] <xlefay> HexChat should work fine on XP iirc
[18:04:52] <NCommander> Install Ubuntu
[18:04:56] <martyb> hrmmmm...
[18:04:59] <xlefay> NCommander: s/Ubuntu/CentOS/
[18:05:10] <xlefay> :P
[18:05:15] <martyb> NCommander you got a spare box I can put it on?
[18:05:23] <NCommander> xlefay, that's great right up until he wants something like a modern web browser, or one of the million and half odd missining packages
[18:05:25] <xlefay> Honestly, there ARE people who use CentOS on their desktop.
[18:05:39] <xlefay> and I'm fairly sure most of them are braindead
[18:05:53] <martyb> ROFL!
[18:05:54] <NCommander> I've seen it in the enterprise
[18:05:59] <NCommander> Which TBH, kinda makes sense
[18:06:06] <martyb> !grab xlefay
[18:06:06] <Bender> Added quote 67
[18:06:21] <xlefay> NCommander: take debian, fedora, ubuntu whatever
[18:06:32] <xlefay> but CentOS....................... .___________________.
[18:06:34] <NCommander> xlefay, OpenBSD!
[18:06:35] * NCommander ducks
[18:06:45] <xlefay> On Desktop? LOL
[18:06:50] <NCommander> Actually, pre-Canonical, I did that for awhile
[18:07:01] <xlefay> I've had freebsd as desktop, gentoo, arch, man
[18:07:02] <NCommander> My home network was a mismatch of Ubuntu, Debian, *BSD, and one Solaris box
[18:07:13] <NCommander> I ran illumos as a desktop OS on my lapto
[18:07:17] <NCommander> Suprisingly usable
[18:07:20] <xlefay> I've used a dozen Linux distro's & used FreeBSD a lot, I've yet to use OpenBSD tho
[18:07:27] <martyb> ummm,, guys? should I uninstall mirc before I install hexchat? I'm thinking I don't want complications, later.
[18:07:31] <xlefay> illumos?
[18:07:38] <NCommander> xlefay, continuation of OpenSolaris
[18:07:48] <NCommander> xlefay, (openindiana was the distro name)
[18:07:49] <xlefay> martyb: doesn't matter, insteall hexchat remove mIRC doesn't matter which order
[18:07:58] <NCommander> martyb, this isn't rocket surgery.
[18:08:04] <xlefay> martyb: my tip: install hexchat first and stay on mIRC for the time being in case you need help.
[18:08:05] <NCommander> THough given you're still running XP ...
[18:08:09] <xlefay> ^
[18:08:17] <NCommander> Also
[18:08:26] <NCommander> When we tell you to close anything you're not using, don't close the damn IRC client.
[18:08:28] <xlefay> OpenSolaris sounds nice tho
[18:08:51] <martyb> okay, I know programs like to register things like file extensions and didn't want to set myself up for failure, when I uninstalled mirc, later.
[18:08:55] <xlefay> also Ubuntu is ridiculous
[18:09:07] <NCommander> xlefay, ridiculous awesome 8)
[18:09:14] <xlefay> Honestly, no I know why all the cool sysadmins have half of their days off
[18:09:19] <martyb> about to install hexchat... brb
[18:09:27] <xlefay> They just use Ubuntu and almost do nothing
[18:09:35] <NCommander> xlefay, what I want to get to the point where we can juju deploy slashcode
[18:09:37] <xlefay> honestly, it's ridiculous how simple LXC was
[18:09:43] * NCommander is *serious* about that
[18:10:05] <xlefay> juju is cloud platform no? That'd be nice ;)
[18:10:17] <NCommander> xlefay, you can use it with bare metal, or any other cloud hosts
[18:10:31] <NCommander> But if you plug it into MAAS, or EC2, it lists out all your nodes, basically zeroconf for the cloud
[18:10:51] <xlefay> like those *turn* things?
[18:10:56] * xlefay forgot their full name, turnkey?
[18:10:59] <NCommander> Bingo
[18:11:27] <NCommander> I believe its three commands to bring up two EC2 nodes, deploy wordpress, deploy mysql, then connect wordpress to mysql
[18:11:33] <xlefay> I've used those in the past but I've found the general turnkey's quality to be lacking, this is different?
[18:11:40] <NCommander> xlefay, take it for a testdrive.
[18:11:58] <NCommander> xlefay, http://www.ubuntu.com
[18:12:08] <xlefay> I will :)
[18:12:18] <xlefay> btw, I'm serious about ubuntu
[18:12:24] <xlefay> apt-get install LXC... and one was done
[18:12:32] <NCommander> xlefay, apt-get install xen works too
[18:12:36] * xlefay notes least juju has a nice interface
[18:12:40] <NCommander> (and we (Canonical) don't even support that one)
[18:12:41] <xlefay> Let me guess, apt-get install kvm works too?
[18:12:45] <NCommander> xlefay, yeah
[18:12:55] <NCommander> It has a SLIGHT issue if you got virtualbox installed because DKMS is a pile of shit
[18:13:07] <xlefay> The only thing I found silly about the entire thing is that you guys ship an OpenSuse template *BUT* you don't ship zypper so it's useless unless you manually install zypper.
[18:13:18] <NCommander> xlefay, blame upstream
[18:13:26] <NCommander> We ship the templates as upstream ships them
[18:13:31] * NCommander checks the patchlog
[18:13:43] <xlefay> I see
[18:14:03] <xlefay> FML
[18:14:07] <xlefay> juju really looks neat
[18:14:10] <NCommander> xlefay, we tweak the Debian, ubuntu, and ssh templates
[18:14:20] <NCommander> the rest is shipped as is
[18:14:30] <xlefay> Yeah I thought so, the fedora template isn't awesome either
[18:14:54] <xlefay> tried to install the latest, didn't work, ver 19, didn't work.. only other one I tried is 12, worked
[18:14:56] <NCommander> For Debian, we fix a slight issue due to slight differences in udev. and the sshd patch is a CVE fix
[18:15:14] <xlefay> I thought so, but it all gets debootstrapped right?
[18:15:14] <NCommander> xlefay, BTW, apt-get source -b *package*
[18:15:19] <xlefay> -b?
[18:15:23] <NCommander> autocompile a package
[18:15:25] <NCommander> :-)
[18:15:35] <NCommander> for when you want to build somethng from scratch
[18:15:48] * NCommander notes dpkg-buildpackage is actually easy enough most users can run it
[18:15:48] <xlefay> hmm, does it only build packages from the repo or?
[18:16:11] <NCommander> xlefay, any source repo. When I had to backport from debian, I just ran that command and each package I needed (it doesn't autobuild dependencis)
[18:16:13] <xlefay> Well I'm not sure if the latest IRCd and services are in the repos or not, but if not I'd like to build debs for them for us
[18:16:15] <NCommander> apt-get build-dep is also your friend
[18:16:21] <NCommander> Which IRC?
[18:16:22] <NCommander> unreal?
[18:16:26] <xlefay> charybdis
[18:16:45] <martyb> am launching hexchat now...
[18:16:59] <NCommander> xlefay, mcasadevall@tranquility:/tmp/lxc-1.0.0~alpha1/debian/patches$ apt-cache search charybdis
[18:16:59] <NCommander> charybdis - fast, scalable irc server
[18:17:08] <xlefay> 3.4.2
[18:17:09] <NCommander> (we also ship debug symbols for it)
[18:17:10] <NCommander> Ubuntu: Kitchen Sink Included
[18:17:15] <xlefay> hah
[18:17:20] <xlefay> apt-cache info charybdis
[18:17:39] <NCommander> xlefay, actually, you want rmadison
[18:17:41] <xlefay> Which version is it? If it's 3.4.2, that'd be nice
[18:17:42] <NCommander> Which shows you all distros
[18:17:49] <NCommander> xlefay, mcasadevall@tranquility:/tmp/lxc-1.0.0~alpha1/debian/patches$ rmadison charybdis
[18:17:49] <NCommander> charybdis | 3.3.0-7ubuntu1 | precise/universe | source, amd64, armel, armhf, i386, powerpc
[18:17:49] <NCommander> charybdis | 3.3.0-7ubuntu1 | quantal/universe | source, amd64, armel, armhf, i386, powerpc
[18:17:49] <NCommander> charybdis | 3.4.2-2 | saucy/universe | source, amd64, armhf, i386, powerpc
[18:17:49] <NCommander> charybdis | 3.4.2-3 | trusty/universe | source, amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, powerpc, ppc64el
[18:17:51] <xlefay> rmadison?
[18:17:59] <xlefay> oh nice!
[18:18:06] <xlefay> can you 'rmadison atheme' ?
[18:18:24] <martyb> okay... quick question... which IRC network should I use?
[18:18:26] <NCommander> xlefay, not packaged
[18:18:29] <xlefay> martyb: create a new one
[18:18:33] <martyb> k
[18:18:38] <NCommander> xlefay, its probably in a PPA
[18:18:39] <xlefay> NCommander: makes sense since the charybdis/atheme developers prefer they aren't
[18:18:53] <NCommander> xlefay, wait, it is
[18:18:57] <NCommander> Its under an odd package name
[18:19:00] <xlefay> oh?
[18:19:13] <NCommander> mcasadevall@tranquility:/tmp/lxc-1.0.0~alpha1/debian/patches$ rmadison atheme-services
[18:19:14] <NCommander> atheme-services | 3.0.4-1 | lucid/universe | source, amd64, armel, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc
[18:19:14] <NCommander> atheme-services | 6.0.11-1 | saucy/universe | source, amd64, armhf, i386, powerpc
[18:19:14] <NCommander> atheme-services | 6.0.11-1 | trusty/universe | source, amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, powerpc, ppc64el
[18:19:20] <NCommander> .... WTF? what happened to precise?
[18:19:21] <xlefay> I do need to build a custom module for the IRCd, stderr made that one for us, for the cloaking crap
[18:19:47] <xlefay> I recall the atheme developers preffering things weren't packaged... maybe that was after trusty?
[18:19:52] <NCommander> xlefay, apt-get build-dep; apt-get source atheme;, apply patch, dpkg-buildpackage -b, dpkg -i, aptitude hold atheme
[18:20:05] <NCommander> (which will then bug you when there's a newer package available but won't auto upgrade)
[18:20:11] <martyb> server name? it offers: "newserver/6667"
[18:20:18] <xlefay> we run atheme 7.0.7
[18:20:27] <NCommander> It a straight import from debian
[18:20:32] <NCommander> Let me see if someone offers a PPA version
[18:20:49] <xlefay> martyb: which server did you connect mIRC to?
[18:20:59] <xlefay> irc.sylnt.us or the IP I gave mrcoolbp earlier and he gave to you?
[18:21:36] <NCommander> xlefay, https://launchpad.net
[18:22:02] <NCommander> One version out of date
[18:22:13] * NCommander notes that I usually don't trust PPAs unless its done by a team vs. one guy
[18:22:14] <xlefay> martyb: replace 'newsserver/6667' with: 'irc.sylnt.us/6667' press enter after putting it there or it'll reset it to newsserver it's a xchat/hexchat annoyance
[18:22:37] <NCommander> Incidently
[18:22:39] <xlefay> NCommander: I'd prefer to build the deb self then, with the apt tools, I'll have to read some docs about it, but that'd be best
[18:22:47] <NCommander> xlefay, its pretty idiot proof
[18:22:48] <martyb> i got it! thanks!
[18:22:51] <martyb> connect command?
[18:22:59] <NCommander> xlefay, debian/changelog and debian/rules are the two files you need to look at
[18:23:01] <xlefay> martyb: none, server password: martyb:your_nick_password
[18:23:11] <NCommander> an old mate of mine from college contacted me on IRC and told me he loves Soylent
[18:23:43] <NCommander> xlefay, are we converting you to the Ubuntu side?
[18:23:49] <martyb> xlefay: k. nickserv password?
[18:24:04] * NCommander notes that Ubuntu and Debian on a server perspective are almost identical on an individual machine
[18:24:10] <xlefay> NCommander: that's good, my thought process about moving irc: set it up @ linode, link it to this server, don't make it public yet - wait for mechanicjay to send the cacert stuff, get the SSL cert up, move the IRC services, then at some point change the DNS entry
[18:24:16] <NCommander> actually
[18:24:17] <NCommander> hrm
[18:24:23] <xlefay> martyb: is that a dedicated field?
[18:24:26] * NCommander needs to look and see if we can juju deploy ldap
[18:24:35] <xlefay> NCommander: yes... after seeing how easily it was to get LXC up.....
[18:24:41] <xlefay> + the ubuntu docs are pretty thorough
[18:25:03] * NCommander notes LXC and Ubuntu have an interesting history
[18:25:11] <xlefay> & that's pretty cool about the college mate
[18:25:21] <xlefay> I'm surprised at how easy LXC is tbh
[18:25:28] <NCommander> xlefay, BTW, here's the juju commands for wordpress from scratch:
[18:25:29] <NCommander> juju deploy wordpress
[18:25:29] <NCommander> juju deploy mysql
[18:25:29] <NCommander> juju add-relation wordpress mysql
[18:25:29] <NCommander> juju expose wordpress
[18:25:31] <xlefay> I litterally had it set up in less than a minute
[18:25:46] <xlefay> 4 lines................................................
[18:25:50] <xlefay> Can I start drooling yet?
[18:25:51] <martyb> xlefay: connection timed out.
[18:26:02] <NCommander> xlefay, I was right on it being three, because you can do juju deploy wordpress mysql
[18:26:03] <xlefay> martyb: eh, can you copy the "connecting to" line?
[18:26:15] <xlefay> makes sense
[18:26:28] * NCommander is seeing if someone has charmed LDAP
[18:26:32] <NCommander> That would make my life awesome
[18:26:39] <Cyprus> juju: so easy a caveman could do it?
[18:26:39] <NCommander> I suspect not beause LDAP requires a ton of configuration :-/
[18:26:42] <martyb> can't copy... typing...
[18:26:42] <xlefay> LDAP has always been a PITA
[18:26:48] <NCommander> ++
[18:26:56] * NCommander notes he also has the DB and the webserver enrolled in landscape
[18:27:03] <xlefay> You'd have an easier time setting up AD rofl
[18:27:13] <NCommander> xlefay, ... you know, we could do that :-P
[18:27:15] <Cyprus> hey AD holds your hand =P
[18:27:17] <xlefay> NCommander: w00t, can I get a screenshot?
[18:27:17] <NCommander> xlefay, BTW, want a bit server.
[18:27:19] <martyb> Connecting to irc.soylent.us (
[18:27:25] <xlefay> "bit server"?
[18:27:25] <NCommander> xlefay, juju deploy bip; juju expose bip
[18:27:26] <NCommander> Done
[18:27:28] <NCommander> *bip
[18:27:32] <NCommander> xlefay, IRC proxy
[18:27:39] <xlefay> martyb: irc.solent.us? ... irc.soylentnews.org
[18:27:42] <NCommander> xlefay, http://manage.jujucharms.com - meet the charm store
[18:27:44] <xlefay> NCommander: I've got ZNC running
[18:28:01] <xlefay> got MrBluze|afk & paulej72 enrolled and everyone else that wants it
[18:28:15] <xlefay> ZNC is there too
[18:28:17] <xlefay> w00t
[18:28:18] <martyb> duh. let me try again. brb
[18:28:29] * NCommander runs bip locally
[18:28:33] * xlefay is falling secretly in love.
[18:28:34] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: is a reworking of the pollbooth a viable option for the name-change?
[18:28:41] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, I'm looking at it
[18:28:49] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, which is why I'm trying to get the dev server up
[18:28:53] <mrcoolbp> ah
[18:28:54] * NCommander is in conference call hell at the moment
[18:28:56] <xlefay> the one for LXC?
[18:29:30] <NCommander> xlefay, you don't normally deploy LXC into the cloud, you use it to generate your cloud :-)
[18:29:45] <xlefay> Guess so, but even so it's still exceptionally useful
[18:29:54] <NCommander> xlefay, https://juju.ubuntu.com
[18:30:01] <NCommander> xlefay, if you want to play with juju locally
[18:30:37] <xlefay> I will even do that rofl
[18:30:48] <NCommander> xlefay, well, for lxc, if you can't juju it, you could landscape it from the landscape web console
[18:30:50] <xlefay> Why does Ubuntu have so much Candy :<
[18:30:57] <NCommander> select all your nodes, select lxc, press deploy
[18:31:01] <NCommander> Wait about 10 minutes, done.
[18:31:43] <xlefay> Dang. I was right about all those ubuntu sysadmins
[18:31:47] <NCommander> Oh, it also works with all the major cloud providers, openstack, and MAAS
[18:32:11] <xlefay> They really do almost nothing! They just juju, apt-get, landscape things and they're done!
[18:32:24] <NCommander> O:)
[18:32:32] <xlefay> "Ubuntu: come over to the dark side, we've got juju"
[18:32:47] <NCommander> xlefay, jorge bacon said something very close to that
[18:32:53] <NCommander> (yes, our community guy's last name is bacon)
[18:32:58] <xlefay> LOL
[18:33:03] <xlefay> I like him already ;-)
[18:33:15] <NCommander> This led to a lot of jokes at the one UDS where the shirts were TEAM - LASTNAME
[18:33:17] Cyprus is now known as Cyprus|afk-wanderinginthecubef
[18:33:20] <NCommander> So Jorge became Community Bacon
[18:33:35] * xlefay notes we actually have a group registered in groupserv called team-bacon....
[18:33:57] <xlefay> haha that's pretty awesome ;)
[18:34:10] <NCommander> Working at Canonical is awesome
[18:34:19] * NCommander notes if you use it long enough, you will like Unity
[18:34:25] <xlefay> lot's of perks I guess?
[18:34:36] <NCommander> 5 minute sysadministration
[18:34:43] <mrcoolbp> audioguy: you on IRC?
[18:34:50] * NCommander notes shockingly, multimonitor "just worked" last time I tried it
[18:35:06] <xlefay> haha, btw that's been my experience with KDE also ;-)
[18:35:13] <NCommander> xlefay, we have Kubuntu for that
[18:35:21] <xlefay> https://help.ubuntu.com <-- awesome
[18:35:26] * NCommander remembered watching the Red Hat guys trying to get multimonitor to work with GNOME 3
[18:35:27] <martyb> * Looking up irc.soylentnews.org
[18:35:27] <martyb> * Connecting to irc.soylentnews.org (
[18:35:27] <martyb> * Connection failed ((336130315) error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number)
[18:35:27] <martyb> Are you sure this is a SSL capable server and port?
[18:35:33] <xlefay> I know.. but Kubuntu was a bit of a dissapointment last I used (not sure why anymore)
[18:35:41] <NCommander> xlefay, Kubuntu doesn't get a lot of love really
[18:35:42] <xlefay> martyb: ... ok, change '6667' to '6697' you ticked on to use ssl
[18:35:47] <NCommander> SInce Canonical stopped officially supporting KDE
[18:36:02] <xlefay> That's so unfortunate. I used to be a Gnome lover but.... Gnome 3 just broke that for me
[18:36:02] <NCommander> That and KDE + Network manager == indigestion
[18:36:08] <NCommander> xlefay, we do have MATEbuntu
[18:36:25] <xlefay> Yeah I heard about that but already got settled into KDE :)
[18:36:43] <xlefay> I did use Cinnamon which was decent but I couldn't get the taskbar on the top when I tried it, it was quite frustrating
[18:36:44] <NCommander> I ran xfce for awhile
[18:36:46] <xlefay> .voice weeds_
[18:36:46] -!- mode/#staff [+v weeds_] by SkyNet
[18:36:52] <NCommander> Early versions of Ubuntu were kinda ... eh
[18:36:54] <NCommander> .op
[18:36:54] -!- mode/#staff [+o NCommander] by SkyNet
[18:36:55] <NCommander> er
[18:36:57] <martyb> getting there... Connection failed (self signed certificate.? (18))
[18:36:58] <NCommander> Unity
[18:37:03] <mrcoolbp> this mailing list is getting hectic.......
[18:37:03] <NCommander> martyb, progress
[18:37:11] <xlefay> I ran xfce too, but too much work to adjust to my liking
[18:37:23] <xlefay> martyb: tick on "accept invalid/self signed cert"
[18:37:24] <NCommander> xlefay, try giving Unity a spin
[18:37:30] <NCommander> I used to be an Kubuntu developer
[18:37:37] <NCommander> and dropped KDKE in favor of Unity about a year ago
[18:37:40] <xlefay> NCommander: I have used it in the past, it's decent
[18:37:50] <xlefay> (not my favorite, but it's usable)
[18:37:50] <weeds_> xlefay: no comprendi
[18:38:01] <xlefay> weeds_: ?
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[18:38:04] <NCommander> xlefay, what I like is I can essentially used it as a tabbed window manager
[18:38:15] <NCommander> But unlike Ratpoisin, mere mortals can use my machine
[18:38:21] <weeds_> ".voice weeds_"
[18:38:38] <martyb> Woo Hoo! Almost there!....
[18:38:45] <xlefay> weeds_: your first message only got send to me, now you've got voice and it gets send to everyone. ;)
[18:38:57] <martyb> join this channel.. can I put in multiple? #Soylent,#staff,#dev
[18:39:00] <xlefay> We use moderation here to prevent people from just flooding the channel with stuff unneeded.
[18:39:09] <xlefay> martyb: I believe so, or you could add them to your favorites
[18:39:15] <xlefay> NCommander: I never used ratpoisin :[
[18:39:32] <xlefay> aah like xmonad and such
[18:39:35] <xlefay> ?
[18:39:38] <weeds_> Oh, I see. so next time ask first
[18:39:55] <xlefay> xmonad and such a tiling though
[18:40:35] <bytram> this is coming in thru hexchat
[18:40:44] <martyb> and this is coming in from mirc
[18:40:58] <xlefay> ... and so is ratpoisin ;)
[18:41:06] * martyb now I can talk to myself!
[18:41:07] <xlefay> martyb: bytram: you two are kinda freaking me out right now
[18:41:21] <bytram> it ain't helping me much, either!
[18:41:26] <xlefay> LOL
[18:41:58] <martyb> xlefay; I know you were tired, so thanks SO MUCH for helping me get set up!!!!!!!
[18:42:00] <martyb> xlefay++
[18:42:00] <Bender> karma - xlefay: 24
[18:42:03] <martyb> xlefay++
[18:42:03] <Bender> karma - xlefay: 25
[18:42:04] <martyb> xlefay++
[18:42:04] <Bender> karma - xlefay: 26
[18:42:05] <martyb> xlefay++
[18:42:05] <Bender> karma - xlefay: 27
[18:42:12] <bytram> xlefay++
[18:42:12] <Bender> karma - xlefay: 28
[18:42:12] <bytram> xlefay++
[18:42:13] <Bender> karma - xlefay: 29
[18:42:13] <bytram> xlefay++
[18:42:13] <Bender> karma - xlefay: 30
[18:42:14] <xlefay> Your welcome ;-) let's stop spamming now
[18:42:27] <martyb> ROFL!
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[18:42:34] <xlefay> NCommander: let me know when you made the machine, I'll schedule a maintainence windows for moving the services once I've got everything up @ the new machine
[18:43:04] * bytram just realized I could have ping/pong myself
[18:43:34] <xlefay> bytram: don't worry, the server does that too you all the time, except you're only ponging I believe you had some misfortunate experiences with not-ponging back
[18:44:09] <xlefay> Now I think about it, the server actually enslaves clients, "Server: Pong me back or feel my wrath" ... "Bingo: Ping timeout!"
[18:44:27] <bytram> okay, I may be temping fate, but there was a note saying that an upgraded version of HexChat is available.
[18:44:42] <xlefay> Tempting fate? Just upgrade it!
[18:45:13] <xlefay> NCommander: just a curiosity, does BIP has the ability to detach from channels?
[18:46:10] <bytram> xlefay, I'm pulling it down, now.
[18:46:18] <xlefay> what your pants?
[18:46:50] * bytram is speechless
[18:47:14] <xlefay> !grab bytram
[18:47:14] <Bender> Added quote 68
[18:47:17] <xlefay> !quote 68
[18:47:18] <Bender> Quote 68 - <bytram> xlefay, I'm pulling it down, now.
[18:47:31] * xlefay notes that one is most definitely going to be taken out of context.
[18:47:56] Cyprus|afk-wanderinginthecubef is now known as Cyprus
[18:48:20] <bytram> !quote xlefay
[18:48:20] <Bender> Quote 15 - <NCommander> xlefay, somehow, this is your fault. I dunno why it is, but it is ...
[18:48:24] <Bender> Also in quotes: 16, 18, 26, 28, 32, 34, 39, 46, 51, 59, 60, 62, 66, 67, 68
[18:48:25] <xlefay> hey
[18:48:30] <bytram> =)
[18:48:33] <mrcoolbp> ug I need a break
[18:48:36] <mrcoolbp> BBL
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[18:48:46] <xlefay> holy shit.... so many quotes containing me?
[18:48:59] <FunPika> !quote 16
[18:48:59] <Bender> Quote 16 - <xlefay> I'm getting used to getting the blame, I'll distribute it fairly.
[18:49:24] <xlefay> I'll admit, that was a good one.
[18:50:13] <bytram> !quote 18
[18:50:13] <Bender> Quote 18 - <NCommander> xlefay, meh, honestly, I hope no one reads my emails so I can pretend that we have agreement and push through whatever it is I want with no discussion what's so ever.
[18:50:29] <bytram> !quote martyb
[18:50:29] <Bender> No quotes found with the text 'martyb'
[18:50:34] <bytram> !quote bytram
[18:50:34] <Bender> Quote 68 - <bytram> xlefay, I'm pulling it down, now.
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[18:51:29] <bytram> Looks like it will me another minute before the upgrade finishes downloading
[18:52:27] <bytram> xlefay, I'm thinkning I should quit hexchat before I install the upgrade?
[18:52:47] <xlefay> not sure... I'm guessing the installer will tell you whether you should or not
[18:53:17] <bytram> let's see what hexchat has to say
[18:53:36] <bytram> does not support the version of windows you are running.
[18:54:26] <bytram> okay, let me make sure I can get HexChat started again
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[18:55:14] <xlefay> hmm
[18:55:20] * xlefay guess that's a no?
[18:55:43] <NCommander> nah, I went AFK for awhile
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[18:56:14] <xlefay> wb NCommander
[18:56:51] <xlefay> bytram: check my reply
[18:57:19] <bytram> xlefay, k
[18:57:21] <xlefay> NCommander: http://nerdrpg.xlefay.nl to see the current nerdrpg stats
[18:58:02] <NCommander> xlefay, where's the quest map
[18:58:15] <xlefay> It's not up yet. I have it... but not up yet
[18:58:38] <xlefay> I'm probably going to merge the world & quest map, it's pointless having two different maps
[18:59:01] <xlefay> stderr, mattie_p, Kartoffelsuppe, and ground are on a quest to quell the riot that has sprung up between Slashdot-weenies and SoylentNews-weenies. Quest to complete in 0 days, 07:45:26.
[18:59:02] <xlefay> rofl
[18:59:46] <NCommander> xlefay, also can't see player stats
[18:59:50] <xlefay> NCommander: most important thing I asked earlier: let me know when you made the machine, I'll schedule a maintainence windows for moving the services once I've got everything up @ the new machine
[19:00:01] <xlefay> nope, it's a work in process, you can just see which position you are atm
[19:00:20] <NCommander> xlefay, I can get it up together if you like?
[19:00:35] <xlefay> but been feeling sick lately, so haven't been giving it much attention
[19:01:09] <xlefay> Put it up whenever you can, it's not a priority atm but it would give more time to get everything up and done quicker
[19:02:49] <xlefay> It's silly, with my regular, native IPv4, I get 35 ms latency, with my IPV6 tunnel via HE.net, I get 25ms ;')
[19:03:24] * xlefay notes his path via ipv6 is way shorter tho
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[19:04:02] <bytram> xlefay, RE: "e.g. users+<userid>@soylentnews.org then gets forwarded to the users actual e-
[19:04:02] <bytram> mail address?"...
[19:04:18] <xlefay> Yes!
[19:04:20] <xlefay> Whatcha think?
[19:04:27] <bytram> xlefay, so, to send one to me, it would be "users+martyb@soylentnews.org" ??
[19:04:32] <xlefay> That would solve the privacy issue, isn't it?
[19:04:42] <xlefay> bytram: no, it'd be users+<your_uid>
[19:04:43] <xlefay> not username
[19:05:03] <xlefay> mind you 'uid' could be replaced with a hash of the uid + username, etc...
[19:05:29] <bytram> much better! don't want ballot stuffing.
[19:05:44] <xlefay> bytram: you can't prevent that though, just lower the ability
[19:05:52] <xlefay> e.g. users that have 20 accounts can still vote 20 times
[19:06:07] <bytram> for (uid=1;uid<=4000; uid++) {call vote uid bacon}
[19:06:33] <bytram> just trying to avoid THAT
[19:06:36] <bytram> k?>
[19:06:39] <audioguy> mrcoolbp: see my note to stafflist, yes I am interested in helping.
[19:06:45] <FunPika> couldn't you also check for the same IP to make it more difficult for multiple accounts?
[19:07:23] <bytram> FunPika, maybe, but there could be false positives... I get a different IP address each day.
[19:07:35] <xlefay> We have to draw a line somewhere though, I'd say, ask: for ( uid=1;uid <= uid_count-1000; uid++ ) { ... }
[19:07:38] <Landon> NCommander: si senor?
[19:07:59] <mrcoolbp> audioguy: the one sent ~40 minutes ago? Already replied
[19:08:11] <bytram> !current-uid
[19:08:11] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 3912, owned by godshatter
[19:09:55] <xlefay> I had hoped we'd be at 10.000 by now :p
[19:09:59] <xlefay> <-- wishful thinker
[19:10:08] <bytram> !grab xlefay
[19:10:08] <Bender> Added quote 69
[19:10:12] <xlefay> oh god
[19:10:14] <xlefay> not again!
[19:10:19] <bytram> !grab xlefay
[19:10:19] <Bender> Added quote 70
[19:11:16] <xlefay> also audioguy, I agree, decisions on IRC shouldn't be binding; we should consider the mailing list a way of "validating/ratifying/whatever the correct word is" "decisions" made on IRC
[19:11:35] <mrcoolbp> xlefay++
[19:11:35] <Bender> karma - xlefay: 31
[19:11:43] <bytram> xlefay++
[19:11:43] <Bender> karma - xlefay: 32
[19:11:43] <xlefay> mrcoolbp: wb
[19:11:49] <bytram> !grab xlefay
[19:11:49] <Bender> Added quote 71
[19:11:53] <xlefay> What a mail load man
[19:11:55] <mrcoolbp> there will always be discussion made here, brining it to the mailing list is a must
[19:11:57] <bytram> !quote 71
[19:11:57] <Bender> Quote 71 - <xlefay> mrcoolbp: wb
[19:11:58] <xlefay> bytram:
[19:12:00] <xlefay> also audioguy, I agree, decisions on IRC shouldn't be binding; we should consider the mailing list a way of "validating/ratifying/whatever the correct word is" "decisions" made on IRC
[19:12:11] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: I predicted the mail load when the list was implemented..
[19:12:22] <mrcoolbp> it's getting crazy
[19:12:32] <mrcoolbp> but at least everyone is in the loop
[19:12:52] <xlefay> I like it too but sometimes it's a "omg" moment
[19:13:29] <mrcoolbp> It seems NCommander isn't sold on using slash as a form of communication
[19:13:30] * Landon kicks xlefay
[19:13:47] <xlefay> mrcoolbp: neither am I
[19:13:47] <Landon> I was wondering why my reply wasn't going to the list, but you didn't reply to the list either
[19:13:51] * xlefay kicks Landon back
[19:13:54] <xlefay> Landon: heh
[19:13:57] <xlefay> did someone change that again?
[19:14:05] <xlefay> heh....
[19:14:06] <Landon> unless it's just taking a while to get back to me
[19:14:18] <xlefay> From: Landon Fowles <landon@lfowles.org>
[19:14:20] <xlefay> To: "xander@xandev.nl" <xander@xandev.nl>
[19:14:21] <xlefay> CC: soylent-staff@lists.soylentnews.org
[19:14:27] <mrcoolbp> yeah I got that one
[19:14:31] <xlefay> It'll take a while I guess
[19:14:43] <Landon> did your email about gmail get sent to the list?
[19:14:50] <xlefay> yeah think so
[19:15:02] <Landon> ok, guess it's just being a slowpoke
[19:15:04] <xlefay> or not...
[19:15:04] <Landon> I'll resend my reply
[19:15:10] <xlefay> no I just got your reply
[19:15:13] <xlefay> I didn't get my own reply tho
[19:15:19] <xlefay> but it's in your reply anyway so
[19:15:22] <mrcoolbp> xlefya: not seeing a "gmail" email
[19:15:31] <bytram> LaminatorX|afk, I got ur email re: images.
[19:15:32] <xlefay> aah I remember Landon, google now caches images
[19:16:06] <xlefay> but... bulk mail senders have unique URLs per users so they can follow who opens a mail, etc.
[19:16:30] <xlefay> So as long as the image link gets hit, the sender will be aware someone opened the mail
[19:16:46] <bytram> text only e-mail also makes parsing poll results easier; don't have to deal with all the HTMLification
[19:17:10] <Landon> emails don't have to be HTML xor plaintext though
[19:17:15] <xlefay> Of course, those who prefer to authorize image display on a per message basis can choose the option “Ask before displaying external images” under the General tab in Settings. That option will also be the default for users who previously selected “Ask before displaying external content”.
[19:17:19] <xlefay> Should be an opt in imo
[19:17:42] <xlefay> bytram: my reply was if we were using something like surveymonkey
[19:17:57] <bytram> o.
[19:18:00] <bytram> ok.
[19:18:05] <xlefay> in which case, proxying the e-mails to users via us is a way to ensure surveymonkey doesn't get users e-mail addresses or infos
[19:18:41] <xlefay> That's why users+(uuid|some hash)@soylentnews.org would simply be a proxy between us & <insert whatever)
[19:19:24] <xlefay> but as I understand survey monkey still requires people to go to an URL to fill out said survey... which isn't awesome
[19:19:56] <xlefay> We could make a mail voting system though....
[19:20:29] <xlefay> e.g. votes+user_id@soylentnews.org: set suject to option number and nothing else, body content may be whatever
[19:20:50] <xlefay> but.. it's a disaster waiting to happen
[19:21:07] <bytram> xlefay, agreed
[19:21:14] <xlefay> We would need extensive testing + assume least 25% of the users won't read and simply do the wrong thing
[19:21:37] <mrcoolbp> ug
[19:21:40] <xlefay> dang I was supposed to go back to bed
[19:21:46] <mrcoolbp> yup
[19:21:57] <xlefay> You guys make me way to productive.
[19:21:59] <bytram> xlefay, we could have a practice run as part of a contest; winner gets, I dunno, 10 karma points?
[19:22:08] <xlefay> bytram: ME ME ME!!!!!!!!!!
[19:22:17] <bytram> !grab xlefay
[19:22:17] <Bender> Added quote 72
[19:22:24] <xlefay> oh siht
[19:22:27] <xlefay> oh shit*
[19:22:32] <bytram> !grab xlefay
[19:22:32] <Bender> Added quote 73
[19:22:41] <xlefay> That's going to look cocky one day
[19:22:47] <xlefay> nograb
[19:23:32] <bytram> no comment necessary
[19:24:04] <xlefay> OK.. anyone who wants a mailbox @soylentnews.org instead of a forwarder, e-mail me (xlefay@soylentnews.org), I'll set it up. I don't believe you can change your password yet, so I'll give you a temporarily password (in other words, don't send a password along unless it's unique, I WILL try to ghost you on IRC via nickserv, if you do)
[19:24:26] <bytram> xlefay, btw, HexChat is a bit, umm different, than the browser, but I'm starting to like it. Sometimes a problem turns out to be a good thing!
[19:24:41] <xlefay> bytram: in all fairness, the webchat should work now properly too.
[19:24:52] <bytram> xlefay, thank-you again, for all your help getting Hexchat set up.
[19:25:03] <xlefay> Your problem simply ceased to exist, it's not the client which fixed it. And you're welcome.
[19:25:08] <bytram> I suspect my problem was related to upgrading FireFox to 24.4.0
[19:25:19] <xlefay> bytram: ooh you were using the webchat eh.
[19:25:38] <bytram> yes, webchat.
[19:25:44] <xlefay> I stand corrected, the webchat requires a constant connection, if it isn't stable, you get disconnected more quicker
[19:25:56] <bytram> I can vouch for that. :(
[19:25:59] <bytram> nograb
[19:25:59] <xlefay> e.g. via hexchat, your connection literally gets a two minute period plus change to "pong" back
[19:26:32] <xlefay> via the webchat, you don't, because it's not really IRC, it's simply HTTP, your connection gets closed, you'll disconnect and the webchat won't pong for you anymore
[19:26:37] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: maybe send out that mailbox invite via staff list?
[19:26:43] <xlefay> (webchat is such a game breaker)
[19:27:09] <xlefay> mrcoolbp: was considering that just figured I'd see if there was interest at all
[19:27:47] <mrcoolbp> xlefay" I think everyone should have them and we should migrate the staff list address, but I was trying to wait for this whole name change thing...
[19:28:32] <xlefay> mrcoolbp: changing the e-mail addresses is simple
[19:28:55] <xlefay> and we'll just alias soylentnews.org to "newdomain.ext", so something@soylentnews.org goes to something@newdomain.ext ;)
[19:28:59] <mrcoolbp> but getting everyone new accounts under new domain would be a repeated effort...
[19:29:10] <xlefay> nope, see my two messages
[19:29:43] <mrcoolbp> isn't that messy just doing it with aliases?
[19:30:17] <Landon> xlefay: via postfixadmin I assume?
[19:30:26] <Landon> in that case, not messy at all, mrcoolbp
[19:30:28] <xlefay> mrcoolbp: no, it's not. We'll alias the domain name, not all the mailboxes
[19:30:33] <xlefay> correct Landon
[19:30:38] <bytram> xlefay, mrcoolbp so, I'm not quite following. examples please? users+hash(uid,nick,salt)@soylentne3ws.org ???
[19:30:51] <xlefay> We still need to take out all the current forwarders atm, I'd rather do that now, than later, saves the load later on
[19:30:56] <mrcoolbp> whooosh for me I guess...
[19:31:04] <Landon> users+1024@soylentnews.org --> sent to kibibitbuttwhatever
[19:31:09] <bytram> whoooshful thinking?
[19:31:12] <Landon> or hash of 1024
[19:31:12] <bytram> nograb
[19:31:27] <xlefay> exactly, users+<whatever>@soylentnews.org would be an alias
[19:31:34] <xlefay> or rather, "proxy forwarder"
[19:32:57] <bytram> okay... is that consistent across "areas"? i.e. I would have the same "whatever" in "users_<whatever>@soylentnews.org" and in "staff_<whatever>@soylentnews.org" ???
[19:33:11] <bytram> s/_/+/g
[19:33:13] <xlefay> mrcoolbp: send
[19:33:28] <xlefay> bytram: +
[19:33:37] <xlefay> + is a delimiter, e.g. bytram+whatever@soylentnews.org would arrive at you
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[19:34:42] <LaminatorX> What did I write you about, bytram? I'm drawing a blank.
[19:34:59] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: I did manage to change my password via webmail
[19:35:11] <xlefay> mrcoolbp: yeah I wasn't sure, I heard something about it not functioning
[19:35:23] <xlefay> Landon: does postfixadmin save passwords in plaintext?
[19:35:31] <bytram> LaminatorX, hmm, I don't recall. sorry.
[19:35:34] <Landon> well
[19:35:40] <Landon> ... no?
[19:35:46] <Landon> unless you're doing something unholy in postfix
[19:35:50] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: I think i might be...
[19:36:12] <xlefay> Landon: not sure.. I don't remember wasn't sure whether you knew
[19:36:20] <xlefay> oh well, I'll check the DB then
[19:36:26] <mrcoolbp> audioguy would know
[19:36:40] <LaminatorX> This is what caught my eye: "<+bytram> LaminatorX|afk, I got ur email re: images."
[19:37:14] <bytram> oh! that was supposed to go to "L"andon who was wondering if an email had been lost.
[19:37:20] <Landon> tabfail :)
[19:37:26] <bytram> ayuh.
[19:37:31] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: also they can change their own forwards in the preferences
[19:37:48] <audioguy> know what? ;-)
[19:37:48] <LaminatorX> Good. I thought I might have been sleep-emailing or something.
[19:37:56] <xlefay> mrcoolbp: that's good, but they first need an mailbox :) + they can't access every forwarder can they?
[19:38:07] <mrcoolbp> audioguy: passwords for mailboxes stored in plain text?
[19:38:36] <xlefay> mrcoolbp: mechanicjay is here now, I'm asking him
[19:38:39] <Landon> NCommander: I'm curious what your thoughts are on merging IRC into sysops/dev
[19:38:45] <Landon> it was something brought up in #irc-staff
[19:38:51] <xlefay> last I used postfix was with Plesk and they store everything in plaintext
[19:38:57] <mrcoolbp> oh crap it was mechanicjay not audioguy...
[19:39:03] <mrcoolbp> sorry audioguy
[19:39:09] <Landon> we kind of have a disparity of [dev - function, sysops - function, irc - service] teams
[19:39:45] <xlefay> Landon: fortunately, I'm in sys & irc, so I'll act as a bridge for sys-irc, as for dev, it might be useful to have a similar situation
[19:39:57] <audioguy> We have a very small team, things get blurred out of necessity
[19:39:59] <xlefay> e.g. someone in dev and IRC, which'll help create taskforces etc, in the future?
[19:41:23] <audioguy> For what it is worth, password do not seem to be in plain text in the slash database, I just looked. Hashes only.
[19:41:49] <audioguy> If that was what you were talking about ;-)
[19:42:06] <mrcoolbp> audioguy, nah it was my mistake, I was looking for mechj
[19:42:07] <bytram> audioguy, hmmm, ISTR that /. could mail me my password if I forgot... we can't?
[19:42:12] <mrcoolbp> sorry about that
[19:42:14] <Landon> audioguy: postfix database
[19:42:32] <audioguy> Can't help there. ;-)
[19:42:50] <xlefay> the passwords are encrypted ;)
[19:42:53] <xlefay> so don't worry
[19:43:11] <audioguy> As much as postifix is used by large players, I seriously doubt they would be stored in plain text though.
[19:43:25] <xlefay> audioguy: depends on the set up ;)
[19:43:28] <audioguy> There you go...
[19:43:32] <mrcoolbp> I gotta run
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[19:43:35] <bytram> xlefay, are you talking about e-mail passwords or SN web site?
[19:43:36] <xlefay> Plesk for instance has their heads in their asses
[19:43:42] <bytram> MrBluze|afk, ciao!
[19:43:48] <xlefay> bytram: was talking about e-mail passwords but fortunately, they are encrypted
[19:43:53] <Cyprus> postfix is however it was set up, it uses handlers, not innate
[19:44:08] <xlefay> Cyprus: meaning, the DB handles matching, correct?
[19:44:17] <Cyprus> again, depends on how it was set up
[19:44:28] <xlefay> ah k... I don't generally use postfix anymore was curious
[19:44:34] <audioguy> So in other words, it is what WE set up, which is our concern.
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[20:02:23] <xlefay> Correct
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[20:06:57] <janrinok> hi weeds
[20:07:20] <xlefay> .voice weeds
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[20:08:16] <weeds> so.. I looked up Ju Ju... "Ju-Ju refers specifically to objects, such as amulets, and spells used superstitiously as part of witchcraft"
[20:08:33] <weeds> SOunds like a lot of code I've worked on
[20:08:50] <janrinok> as a random opening statement, that one is a winner
[20:09:04] <weeds> :-)
[20:09:09] <janrinok> hi weeds
[20:18:06] <xlefay> weeds++ ;)
[20:18:06] <Bender> karma - weeds: 1
[20:20:01] <NCommander> weeds, bonus points, we rewrote juju from python to go
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[20:49:00] <bytram> !current-uid
[20:49:00] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 3913, owned by Lunix Nutcase
[20:49:06] <xlefay> LOL
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[21:53:39] <bytram|afk> !current-uid
[21:53:39] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 3914, owned by Tork
[21:53:56] <NCommander> stderr, holy crap, you just made my night
[21:54:04] <NCommander> stderr, AN ALPINE USER EXISTS!
[21:55:13] <Landon> hah
[21:56:04] <NCommander> Landon, points to you for using mutt
[21:56:14] <NCommander> mechanicjay, though you might be the last of the original pine users :-P
[21:56:26] * NCommander just installed a plugin to auto-display people's MUAs
[21:56:35] <NCommander> Suprisingly diverse mix on the staff mailing list
[21:56:49] <xlefay> I'm thinking of losing kmail.. it sucks
[21:57:23] * NCommander is a bit suprised he's the only thunderbird user
[21:57:34] <xlefay> kobach too
[21:57:38] <xlefay> but he never mails the list... ;-)
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[21:57:46] <Landon> I just don't like having all my emails locally
[21:57:56] <Landon> and if I don't have them cached locally... well, all clients are going to be turds then
[21:58:09] <mrcoolbp> stderr: you around?
[21:58:35] <NCommander> Landon, mutt + SSH ? :-)
[21:58:37] <Landon> whoa, mr. PGP signature there
[21:58:38] <Landon> yeah
[21:58:40] <Bytram> hmmm.... reminds me I'v been thinking of maybe taking my e-mails local with thunderbird or something.... ideas?
[21:58:47] <Landon> u 13.10 0:irssi# 1:irssi* 2:mutt- 3:bash 4:rtorrent#
[21:59:00] <Landon> that's my tmux hardstatus(hardline? hard something)
[21:59:13] <NCommander> Landon, I used to do that with offlineimap, and a postfix config to send via a different SMTP server based on the From: line
[21:59:43] * NCommander notes you can rip screen out of my cold. dead. fingers.
[21:59:52] <Landon> really?
[21:59:58] <Landon> about screen
[21:59:58] <Landon> :)
[22:00:05] <Landon> I assume that means you dislike tmux?
[22:00:11] <NCommander> Yeah
[22:00:20] <Landon> I just use byobu
[22:00:25] <Landon> so one day I decided to switch the backend
[22:00:29] <NCommander> I used byobu until it changed backends
[22:00:30] <Landon> no change for me
[22:00:34] * NCommander has not forgiven kirkland for that
[22:00:41] <Landon> hehe
[22:00:48] <Landon> you must bring up new boxes often then nd been bitten by that
[22:01:08] <NCommander> Yeah
[22:01:12] <NCommander> Now I just use screen with no rc
[22:01:22] <NCommander> My local system turns nethack mode on but beyond that no config
[22:02:47] <stderr> NCommander: :-)
[22:02:53] <stderr> mrcoolbp: Yes...
[22:02:56] <NCommander> stderr, mechanicjay got you beat with bonified pine
[22:03:23] * NCommander notes its interesting that pretty much everyone uses something different and no GMail
[22:03:25] <mrcoolbp> stderr: I was looking at your comment about devotee, what would we need to do to use that for voting on a name change?
[22:03:27] <stderr> NCommander: It was easier to just use alpine. It's in Debian main.
[22:03:31] <NCommander> <3 alpine
[22:03:43] <NCommander> But it has issues with threading and inboxes that make war and peace look like a novella
[22:04:12] <stderr> mrcoolbp: Get it, read the how-to, send out an mass-email, get votes, run some scripts...
[22:04:20] <NCommander> Opening my inbox either locally or IMAP would take upwards of five minutes on a good connection
[22:04:50] <stderr> mrcoolbp: http://www.debian.org
[22:05:03] <stderr> With a git link near the top...
[22:05:18] <mrcoolbp> by "get it" I'm assuming you mean install code?
[22:05:20] <NCommander> Are we seriously looking at using debvotee?
[22:05:31] * NCommander doesn't object but ... overkill?
[22:05:31] <stderr> mrcoolbp: Yes.
[22:05:33] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: what would you recommend?
[22:05:43] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, I'm not sure
[22:05:47] <mrcoolbp> I'm trying to look at all options
[22:05:58] <mrcoolbp> that might be more work than re-working the pollboth
[22:05:59] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, it might just be the way to do this. We can dump all the emails we need from the database, and use the debvote mass mailer
[22:06:02] <mrcoolbp> *booth*
[22:06:03] <mechanicjay> NCommander: pine is what I have on the VMS box, as part of the PDMF mail system. Normal Desktop client is T-bird.
[22:06:11] <stderr> NCommander: Maybe, but it seems to be the fast way to have a vote now instead of writing code ourselves.
[22:06:18] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: you'd know much better than I
[22:06:33] <stderr> Another options would be openstv, but I haven't really looked at that one.
[22:06:35] <NCommander> Actually, I never setup devote
[22:06:45] <NCommander> mechanicjay, I'm honestly impressed. Seriously, using VMS as a winning user
[22:06:53] <NCommander> mechanicjay, WE SHOULD PORT SLASH TO OPENVMS!
[22:07:01] * NCommander actually has a hobbyist license somewhere, I could put it on my IA-64
[22:07:25] <mechanicjay> NCommander: well, I have apache, perl and mysql running on the vms box...
[22:07:36] <mechanicjay> ..php too
[22:07:46] <mechanicjay> Yes, I am running a VAMP stack.
[22:08:00] * NCommander raises your VAMP and shows you a HAMP
[22:08:18] * NCommander is going to look to see if he can get hurd to boot under Linode on Saturday
[22:08:59] <mrcoolbp> Okay so question for the dev team, do we want to lookinto debvotee?
[22:09:10] <stderr> HAMP? Why not HAPP while you're at it?
[22:09:20] <xlefay> Yeah, lose the M!
[22:09:20] <stderr> Or HASP?
[22:10:03] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, er, honestly
[22:10:08] <NCommander> It might be the best way to go at this point
[22:10:10] <mechanicjay> NCommander: You'd win with HAMP, if only for the futility of your effort.
[22:10:11] <stderr> devotee++ # Because I consider Debian to be sane...
[22:10:12] <Bender> karma - devotee: 1
[22:10:19] <NCommander> mechanicjay, uh, I actually have code IN Hurd
[22:10:32] * mechanicjay is impressed
[22:11:07] * mechanicjay apologizes for calling NCommander's professional pursuits futile.
[22:11:07] * NCommander coughs
[22:11:18] <xlefay> hah
[22:11:34] <NCommander> no, in that case, basically it is
[22:12:38] <mechanicjay> I mean, the Hurd guys -- you have to admire their tenacity.
[22:13:26] * NCommander notes he's having an argument that the shower curtain is not to get wet
[22:13:26] <NCommander> ugh
[22:13:31] <NCommander> I hate living w/ my mom
[22:13:39] <mrcoolbp> in the basement?
[22:13:41] <mrcoolbp> = )
[22:14:10] <xlefay> I share your pain NCommander
[22:14:21] <NCommander> gtg
[22:14:21] <NCommander> bbl
[22:14:32] <xlefay> don't forget not to wet the shower curtain!
[22:15:16] <mrcoolbp> mechanicjay: would you be able to look into installing debvotee?
[22:15:28] <mrcoolbp> or stderr ^
[22:15:59] <xlefay> Thank you, mechanicjay
[22:16:00] <mechanicjay> I'd rather someone else looks into it if they can.
[22:16:02] <xlefay> if I hadn't said that yet btw
[22:16:10] <xlefay> (re: certs)
[22:16:16] <stderr> mrcoolbp: As far as I could tell, you just get the code and that's about it...
[22:16:37] <mechanicjay> I'm just at a severe lack of time until May.
[22:17:19] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: did NCommander give you a linode for IRC yet?
[22:17:37] <xlefay> No, he will sometime soon, before the 15th anyway
[22:18:06] <xlefay> mrcoolbp: what's the status on the redmine/whatnot thing?
[22:18:21] <xlefay> Who's looking into that, who's discussing it, etc?
[22:18:22] <mrcoolbp> we need ruby-on-rails devs for that, know any?
[22:18:33] <xlefay> We also considered others, didn't we?
[22:18:47] <mechanicjay> we don't need ruby devs to run a stock redmine.
[22:18:49] <xlefay> As for RoR devs... it's just a software package, no need to get a specific dev to install it
[22:18:50] <FunPika> before the 15th? nearly a month?
[22:19:11] <xlefay> FunPika: Yeah, he'll provide me with a linode before that time
[22:19:25] <mrcoolbp> well I mentioned it to ncommander and he said something to that effect
[22:19:28] <xlefay> Probably sometime this or next week
[22:20:33] <mrcoolbp> okay well anyone willing to volunteer to install debvotee or redmine be my guest
[22:20:46] <mrcoolbp> I have absolutely no dev skills
[22:20:52] <xlefay> I would love to install it but we should have a vote about it?
[22:21:18] <mrcoolbp> I was thinking for testing viability purposes
[22:21:27] <mrcoolbp> of both options...
[22:21:42] <xlefay> There are online demos for testing, for both
[22:22:27] <mrcoolbp> okay well I guess I should look into that
[22:22:33] <stderr> mrcoolbp: devotee is 16 perl scripts and a perl module... (And some readmes and stuff...)
[22:23:13] <mrcoolbp> great more perl stuff = )
[22:23:19] <xlefay> !grab mrcoolbp
[22:23:19] <Bender> Added quote 74
[22:23:38] <xlefay> Let's just go with trac then, perl iirc ;-)
[22:23:39] <stderr> mrcoolbp: ... easy to include in Slashcode?
[22:24:57] * mrcoolbp has no idea
[22:25:21] * mrcoolbp goes to look at trac
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[22:26:59] <mrcoolbp> I'll be AFK the next hour or so
[22:32:28] <janrinok> time for me to go - cheers all!
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[22:39:37] <stderr> mrcoolbp (and others?): As far as I can tell, to include Devotee.pm in Slashcode, we need to rewrite parse_messages() from dvt-parse (since our votes ain't in emails), create_tally() from dvt-tally is probably ok as it is, create_list() (...of voters) from dvt-voters is probably ok too (if we even want to make a list of voters) and finally, the real meat, winner() from dvt-rslt seems ok too.
[22:39:53] <stderr> And now I'm out...
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