#staff | Logs for 2014-03-12

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[23:59:51] <kobach> cya
[23:59:47] <xlefay> ciao :)
[23:59:44] <paulej72> later
[23:59:23] <xlefay> no worries :)
[23:59:19] <FatPhil> thanks xlefay
[23:59:09] <paulej72> Hey some has to be Data and take the night shift
[23:59:05] <xlefay> FatPhil: sure I'll take it for a bit then
[23:59:04] <kobach> because i just poke my head in the bridge then go about my business, i never leave the lift
[23:58:52] <xlefay> take care paulej72 :)
[23:58:46] <kobach> lol
[23:58:43] <paulej72> OK I am out for now. bbl
[23:58:40] <xlefay> errr...
[23:58:39] <xlefay> you sound like me everytime someone asks me to take the bridge
[23:58:21] <kobach> not really, im watching youtube, been checking irc maybe every 15 min
[23:58:05] <xlefay> you here for a while?
[23:57:42] <kobach> ?
[23:55:34] <LaminatorX> I'll be in and out all night. I'm running sound this evening.
[23:55:22] <xlefay> kobach: how about you, good sir?
[23:54:48] <LaminatorX> The circle is now complete!
[23:54:45] <paulej72> no I am planning on leaving in a few to get dinner and to leave work
[23:54:39] <xlefay> I'm just pretending to be here... *continues coding*
[23:54:15] <xlefay> paulej72: kobach: LaminatorX, they're all here
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[23:53:43] <FatPhil> looking for people to wear the commander's hat ...
[23:52:31] <prospectacle> Hard to know what the intention was at the very start, in Z's mind, But they certainly accepted corporate investment before very long.
[23:52:29] <paulej72> si xlefay
[23:52:17] <xlefay> B's version of SN?
[23:52:16] <paulej72> matt_ it may not have but limiting iself to edu only sort of gave that impression to many
[23:51:55] <xlefay> ?
[23:51:54] <xlefay> /.
[23:51:18] <paulej72> remind you of anyone?
[23:51:17] <matt_> I don't think facebook was ever a 501(c)(3).
[23:50:51] <FatPhil> paulej72: it started out pretending to be non-commercial. IT *always* intended to be commercial
[23:49:59] <paulej72> prospectacle Facebook started out as non-commercial
[23:49:11] <stderr> FatPhil: But then again, if we ought to change everything people don't understand, we'll be very busy for a very long time...
[23:48:24] <prospectacle> A non-commerical social network might be just what the web needed. I'm not sure if there are any commerical social networks, but I can imagine them being full of ads and privacy violations.
[23:48:17] <FatPhil> If people dont understand this, it proves that it probably ought to change
[23:47:13] <paulej72> just tacked this comversation onto the bug for the friend foe interface. It will be usefull when I finally get to working on that.
[23:44:35] <paulej72> Also the default text with no one in a group should be more clear.
[23:44:11] <paulej72> OK that makes sense, but it really needs to be put on the relation page with the ohter important stuff.
[23:42:40] <stderr> "Freaks" are people who name you as a foe: http://slashdot.org
[23:42:40] <stderr> When you select someone as a friend, it makes you that user's fan. To see people who have chosen you as a friend (your fans): http://slashdot.org To see other users' fans, replace /my/fans with /~username/fans.
[23:42:39] <stderr> What are fans / freaks?
[23:42:16] <paulej72> missing in action like the D2 JS files
[23:41:52] <paulej72> stderr i think that page is in the big bit bucket in the sky
[23:41:12] <paulej72> the links to what they mean and where you change them got to 404s
[23:41:05] <stderr> Seems we need to find "faq/com-mod.shtml" somewhere...
[23:40:36] <paulej72> no freaks for fans
[23:40:24] <paulej72> I have
[23:39:53] <stderr> paulej72: Visit someones page, e.g. http://soylentnews.org Click on "Relation"...
[23:39:23] <paulej72> they are yellow, but when I click on them I can set fan, neutral or foe. no settings for fan or freak.
[23:38:28] <FatPhil> when I say yellow, I may mean green, I'm colourblind
[23:38:15] <FatPhil> click on the yellow smileys
[23:38:06] <paulej72> I do not see an interface to add fans and freaks unless I am missing something. It seemed like an automatic thing.
[23:37:24] <FatPhil> it was hard telling the lists apart
[23:37:16] <FatPhil> when I foed, I immediately got counter-freaked!
[23:37:03] <FatPhil> Is there any need to stick with the exact same names for the relationships. Familiarity is good, but for a long time I used to confuse foes and freaks
[23:36:17] <paulej72> I am thinking it may have something to do with moderation of posts, but that is based no nothing more that speculation
[23:36:06] <xlefay> heh
[23:36:03] <stderr> xlefay: You would know... You're one of them.
[23:35:48] <xlefay> uh oh... stalkers, I tell ya
[23:35:47] <FatPhil> I don't use "friend" and "foe" to mean much more than "I enjoy reading this person's posts" and "I dislike reading this person's posts".
[23:35:26] <stderr> paulej72: I know I got 6 of them...
[23:35:21] <paulej72> one of my bugs is that is not well documented
[23:34:55] <paulej72> slash one that is
[23:34:31] <paulej72> stderr real question do you know what a Fan is?
[23:33:11] <stderr> FatPhil: What do you think "Friends" and "Fans" are?
[23:32:36] <paulej72> FatPhil you are on this one :)
[23:32:29] <stderr> FatPhil: Oh, you haven't heard the latest plans for SoylentNews? :-)
[23:32:07] <xlefay> more likely 2 or 3.. you just don't know it yet!
[23:31:51] <FatPhil> Number of social networks of any type I'm on: 0
[23:31:38] <FatPhil> Ahhhh, linked-in account deleted. damn it was tricky
[23:28:26] <stderr> ... and that is why you never give a website access to your address book.
[23:26:52] <prospectacle> LinkedIn spams your contacts to get them to join
[23:26:42] -!- mode/#staff [+v prospectacle] by BaconTree
[23:26:42] <xlefay> .voice prospectacle
[23:22:43] <FatPhil> I must hae been hacked - I have 149 connections - I've only ever had about 50
[23:22:24] <stderr> I might still have the list ... somewhere...
[23:22:04] <stderr> Oh. I thought all the accounts were leaked at that time.
[23:20:31] <FatPhil> There may have been other leaks since then, of course.
[23:20:14] <FatPhil> Someone put up a way of querying the leaked accounts to see if yours was on the list. it said mine wasn't.
[23:18:58] <stderr> FatPhil: If you haven't used it in years, you probably haven't changed your password in years either. They were cracked some time ago, so just assume that "your account" ain't yours anymore...
[23:18:46] <paulej72> you could alway use it ways that violate the TOS and have them delete it for you.
[23:16:59] <FatPhil> just couldn't find a way from the menus
[23:16:46] <FatPhil> is there a way to delete a linked-in account. I don't want mine any more. Haven't done for years.
[23:14:54] <paulej72> I am an infinite number of hops away from both of you
[23:14:24] <mattie_p> oh, we playing kevin bacon?
[23:13:26] <matt_> hahaha
[23:13:09] <stderr> Uuuhhh... I'm 3 hops away from matt_ on LinkedIn.
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[23:04:56] <paulej72> yes the shitty 32bit held it back
[23:03:51] <FatPhil> but by then, it was too late.
[23:03:15] <FatPhil> Intel fucked up Itaniam. Nearly fixed it in I2 after importing large amounts of HPPA smarts (and patents)
[23:03:08] <kobach> and took precautions
[23:02:55] <kobach> "what if i have somthing other people want to see in the future"
[23:02:45] <kobach> but i was sitting here thinking
[23:02:40] <kobach> so i didnt bother
[23:02:31] <xlefay> :p
[23:02:26] <kobach> well i was talking to FatPhil
[23:02:12] <xlefay> you know only FatPhil & I could see what you were writing right ;]
[23:02:00] <kobach> just in case
[23:01:52] <xlefay> rofl kobach
[23:01:42] -!- mode/#staff [+v kobach] by BaconTree
[23:01:28] <paulej72> isn't that what they said about Itanium? :)
[22:58:42] <FatPhil> POWER's becoming more niche, certainly. I doubt it will die as it's way too popular in some markets. (e.g. comms)
[22:57:52] <FatPhil> I was into number-crunching. 32-bit computers were just annoying toys. Became 64-bit back in the 90s.
[22:57:09] <paulej72> Need to get a dev test server up and running so you can play with the code.
[22:56:45] <paulej72> Now that is a uncommon personal system choice
[22:55:49] <FatPhil> When I stopped being an Alpha user, I became a POWER user, kinda ditched 8086 crap back in the 90s
[22:55:08] <paulej72> Ok I see
[22:54:40] <FatPhil> Sure, I've run it on modern x86 machines. My machine is neither modern nor x86
[22:54:35] <paulej72> FatPhil I have been running on Macs that dont have very much ram
[22:53:57] <paulej72> FatPhil it runs on VirtualBox which can run on Linux.
[22:53:48] <FatPhil> And I don't exactly have RAM-packed machines. Bloatware avoider in the extreme.
[22:52:36] <FatPhil> I suspect I don't have a machine it can realistically run on. I'm not a pee-cee user
[22:51:37] <paulej72> FatPhil have you tried running the Dev VM?
[22:51:18] <paulej72> FatPhil forgot to thank you for adding you info to the Dev wiki. I hope you will be able to get GitHub working with your distro though. I would appreciat your input on my commits.
[22:49:30] <FatPhil> winding down includes boozing
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[22:49:03] <FatPhil> Which, incidentally, I can only do briefly. Wanna start winding down in ~1hr
[22:48:58] -!- mode/#staff [-v kobach] by BaconTree
[22:48:58] <kobach> .devoice
[22:48:55] <kobach> YEA NO FUCKING AROUND ON HIS WATCH
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[22:48:40] <paulej72> FatPhil my head hurts too mcuh to mess around right now. ate too much poutine ;)
[22:48:39] <mattie_p> back in a while, FatPhil keep solicitiing for your replacement, someone will step up
[22:47:14] <FatPhil> RIght, I want no messin' around on my watch!
[22:47:00] -!- mode/#staff [+o FatPhil] by BaconTree
[22:47:00] <FatPhil> .op
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[22:43:54] <mattie_p> later, janrinok
[22:43:45] <janrinok> Bye guys, I've got to go. cu tomorrow.
[22:42:51] <mattie_p> yeah, you might have to play with it
[22:38:20] <mattie_p> oh, that one
[22:38:11] <paulej72> the one in binary that overflows the slashbox
[22:37:12] <mattie_p> paulej72 which one is the bad one?
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[22:33:29] <LaminatorX> .deop
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[21:55:04] <paulej72> we need more journal posts to push the bad one down off the page
[21:53:08] <xlefay> matt_++
[21:53:06] <xlefay> "A15: I suggested one on IRC. Long story short, my pitchfork wounds are still healing :-)" hahaha
[21:51:53] <janrinok> http://soylentnews.org
[21:51:39] * xlefay stands by
[21:51:35] <matt_> janrinok: no prob.
[21:51:32] <janrinok> standby
[21:51:24] <xlefay> link?
[21:50:50] <janrinok> matt_: Thanks for the journal entry.
[21:45:04] <matt_> yeah, he seems to be having a good time over there :)
[21:44:38] <FatPhil> that's cancelled all the poutine negativity (a.k.a. poutine--) of the evening
[21:43:33] <matt_> FatPhil: thanks!
[21:43:18] <FatPhil> matt_: awesome journal entry - just what we needed (and more) - thanks!
[21:41:15] <cmdr_LaminatorX> I can remain on watch until half past the upcoming hour. Anyone here available to relieve me?
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[21:28:56] <matt_> thanks.
[21:28:21] <mattie_p> I like it
[21:26:23] <matt_> no problem.
[21:25:35] <mattie_p> I wanted to reply to your email last evening but got wrapped up in stuff, especially the dialogue on the status update
[21:25:07] <mattie_p> matt_ excellent
[21:24:47] <matt_> soothe
[21:24:35] <matt_> mattie_p: Hi. I published a journal entry with some basic questions and answers to hopefully sooth any still-jangled nerves.
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[21:20:45] <xlefay> .unquiet Hedonismbot
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[21:19:44] <mattie_p> what's the latest, team?
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[20:08:35] <cmdr_LaminatorX> But I'm not going to spoil aanybody's fun either.
[20:08:09] <cmdr_LaminatorX> Frankly, I'd as soon this channel be kept pretty quiet apart from business matters,
[20:06:35] <cmdr_LaminatorX> I am aware, I am so not going to relay idle chatter in here. If someone comes in and reports a problem, I'll reiterate it.
[20:04:43] -!- mode/#staff [-v kobach] by BaconTree
[20:04:43] <kobach> .devoice kobach
[20:04:39] -!- mode/#staff [-v xlefay] by BaconTree
[20:04:39] <kobach> .devoice xlefay
[20:04:35] <kobach> nope
[20:04:27] <kobach> .devoice xlefay kobach
[20:04:24] <kobach> hmmm lets try this
[20:03:01] <xlefay> (I should be devoiced)...
[20:02:53] <xlefay> noise* damnit
[20:02:49] <xlefay> noies *
[20:02:44] <xlefay> FatPhil: nah it's to keep this channel mostly free. :)
[20:02:20] <FatPhil> people with more privilege get to see more crap? Hahah, let me be part of the rabble!
[20:01:45] BaconTree changed topic of #staff to: To everyone that doesn't have a voice or operator status in this channel: your messages will be forwarded to the channel ops (if there are none, feel free to PM an active user in the channel). | LaminatorX is in command.
[20:01:45] <xlefay> .topicappend LaminatorX is in command.
[20:01:35] <xlefay> kobach: exactly
[20:01:24] <xlefay> cmdr_LaminatorX: you know this right.. only the ops can see what non-voiced say.
[20:01:14] <kobach> thats somthing a bunch of 8 year old running an irc would come up with
[20:01:11] <xlefay> also.. OPs in this channel should be on the watch out for non-voiced people saying things
[20:00:57] <xlefay> agreed
[20:00:56] <kobach> thing*
[20:00:54] <xlefay> I've yet to find a good reason for it to be included
[20:00:52] <kobach> i think the whole nick changing this is stupid anyway
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[20:00:43] <xlefay> I'm reluctant to add the patch in since it seems unfair to me.
[20:00:40] <FatPhil> TOpic's good
[20:00:30] <xlefay> really depends on the client I suppose, guess we could add it to the topic also
[20:00:27] <FatPhil> TO be honest, I'm happier without the patch. I'd rather not maintain two branches
[20:00:00] <FatPhil> you have to /who to see the list
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[19:59:45] <xlefay> .deop
[19:59:43] * FatPhil points out the "or" to kobach in what he just said
[19:59:29] <xlefay> I don't understand why it's so difficult for people to differentiate between an opped person and a non-opped..
[19:59:21] * kobach slaps FatPhil
[19:59:15] <kobach> would be after co or cm
[19:58:50] <FatPhil> crutchy
[19:58:48] <kobach> quit being racist
[19:58:43] <kobach> c-tab
[19:58:41] <kobach> why
[19:58:23] <FatPhil> Commodore doesn't help us tab-complete to find the current cmdr, so why should they be let off, their induhvidualism doesn't help anyone
[19:57:27] <xlefay> (no offense to you of course, just deciding whether it's fair or not)
[19:57:10] <xlefay> yeah exactly and some use "Commodore" instead of "cmdr" and besides that.. it's not fair towards other idlers who can only change to cmdr_'s as well; that's why I'm debating if I want that patch
[19:56:28] <FatPhil> as normal
[19:56:21] <FatPhil> everything else is a penalty
[19:56:09] <FatPhil> only for nick changes, and only for changes into and out of the cmdr_ role
[19:55:43] <xlefay> Well technically, it excludes cmdr_ nicks from being affected by the penalty system, so to speak, correct?
[19:55:20] <FatPhil> If you want to know more, just ask
[19:55:10] <FatPhil> check the commit message, and the patch itself
[19:54:57] <FatPhil> it's on a branch, so you can just flip between the two instantly
[19:54:12] <xlefay> I'm considering it. I'm debating whether it's fair or not.
[19:53:47] <FatPhil> Have you pulled the latest patches, with the soylentnews branch?
[19:53:41] <xlefay> np
[19:53:30] <FatPhil> many thanks
[19:51:02] <xlefay> that* to fix that /kill one lol
[19:51:00] <kobach> oh ok
[19:50:57] <xlefay> already done tht
[19:50:43] <kobach> xlefay: wheres mine
[19:49:39] <xlefay> better?
[19:48:36] <kobach> :(
[19:48:32] <FatPhil> disowned
[19:48:25] <kobach> owned
[19:48:10] <FatPhil> I just realised that when testing my new "don't penalise ICS commanders for changing nick" patch, I incurred 19 hours of penalties :-(((
[19:47:46] <kobach> hi FatPhil
[19:47:34] <FatPhil> :-(
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[19:24:01] <cmdr_LaminatorX> back in 5.
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[18:48:47] <xlefay> yea
[18:48:28] <kobach> i even checked my /ignores
[18:48:10] <xlefay> yea
[18:47:49] <kobach> xlefay: that explains why he was looking like a nutter
[18:42:27] <xlefay> It'd be wise for ops to inform the others in the channel when a non-voiced is talking ;-)
[18:41:57] <xlefay> kobach: mattie_p was answeres NezSez, not you lol
[18:41:49] <xlefay> ehhh...
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[18:22:25] <LaminatorX> .op
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[18:22:15] <mattie_p> .deop
[18:22:07] <LaminatorX> I made myself a nice seperate window for irc in the corner of my screen.
[18:22:06] <mattie_p> ok, thanks
[18:21:32] <LaminatorX> Sure. I'l have my nose in work here and there, but I'll remain in the channel.
[18:20:27] <mattie_p> excellent. You are in charge until you need to leave or need to pass control over, or until I get back online in a few hours. You still up for that?
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[18:19:28] <mattie_p> LaminatorX, you back?
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[17:31:59] <mattie_p> !todo
[17:29:59] <mattie_p> also, in scrollback you asked about domain transfer, got an email from matt_ saying it is actually 60 days
[17:28:46] <mattie_p> I think he went to bed 4 hours ago, ish
[17:28:16] <FatPhil> xlefay: ping?
[17:23:53] <kobach> not bad
[17:23:32] <mattie_p> golden is about 40 miles from Denver.
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[17:19:35] <kobach> some people think 800 miles away isnt nearby
[17:19:28] <kobach> but thats my definition
[17:19:20] <kobach> it is kinda nearby
[17:19:16] <kobach> lol
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[17:13:42] <mattie_p> yup, that's nearby
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[17:12:40] <mattie_p> Denver
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[17:08:36] <kobach> not yet
[17:08:35] <kobach> nope
[17:08:03] <mattie_p> back, looks like the world didn't end
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[16:50:36] <kobach> or not
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[16:50:05] <kobach> here comes robind
[16:49:35] <kobach> lol i dont usually have bacon
[16:48:42] <mattie_p> stepping out for a sec, don't fall all apart now
[16:48:23] <mattie_p> better cut some lines when you do it
[16:46:03] <mattie_p> everyone knows I'm in charge unless there is someone with rank here, or NCommander is talking
[16:45:46] <FatPhil> I'm writing a patch...
[16:45:32] <mattie_p> well, then I won't change my name :)
[16:45:13] <FatPhil> mattie_p: nick changes fail quests too. And we want to punish people who dick about still.
[16:44:44] <mattie_p> kobach as much bacon as you seem to have and consume, I doubt it ever runs out on a regular basis
[16:44:06] <kobach> mattie_p: yes, but far enough away that it will be eaten by the time he gets here
[16:43:44] <mattie_p> just strip the nick change penalty? make it p0?
[16:42:31] <FatPhil> I could trivially write a patch which makes "cmdr_" changes unimportant to the bot? We don't want irpg messing with more serious protocols.
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[16:39:59] <mattie_p> and he is conveniently close to your bacon
[16:39:39] <kobach> lol, mattie_p hes about 30mins from me, conveniently close to my aunts
[16:38:58] <LaminatorX> We'll probably meetup at the VW Diesel rally this summer though.
[16:38:18] <LaminatorX> Nope, but we do live across town.
[16:35:03] <mattie_p> you two know each other rl?
[16:25:30] <kobach> lol
[16:25:26] <kobach> (i was hoping to discover a new local restaurant)
[16:25:05] <kobach> oh ok
[16:24:52] <LaminatorX> No, but I'll be away from my desk.
[16:20:57] <kobach> LaminatorX: going out?
[16:20:32] <kobach> its lunchtime already
[16:20:22] <kobach> wow i did wake up late
[16:19:22] <LaminatorX> I'll be going to lunch at the top of the hour, but should be available for about 4hrs once I'm back.
[16:19:02] <mattie_p> that'd be good
[16:18:38] <LaminatorX> I could mind the shop in around two hours.
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[16:15:53] <mattie_p> .op
[16:14:59] <mattie_p> looks like a quest or something pushed him ahead anyway
[16:14:27] <janrinok> lol
[16:14:20] <mattie_p> xlefay tried to make me do that yesterday so I'd lose my place in irpg
[16:14:05] <mattie_p> not changing my name though
[16:13:57] <mattie_p> allrighty
[16:13:54] cmdr_FatPhil is now known as FatPhil
[16:13:46] <cmdr_FatPhil> looks like you've got 2 hours to find a replacement, mattie_p :-)
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[16:13:26] <cmdr_FatPhil> .deop
[16:12:49] <cmdr_FatPhil> I might be able to take it back in 2. But I dunno how long I'll be out.
[16:12:25] <janrinok> I'm gone for a while in about 1 hour.
[16:08:56] <mattie_p> I can take it for 2 hours, but if someone will have more continuity I'd prefer they take it
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[16:06:12] <cmdr_FatPhil> If someone would like the commander's helm, I do have some things to do now, and will gladly run away cowardly
[16:05:14] <cmdr_FatPhil> Re voting: http://soylentnews.org
[16:04:40] <cmdr_FatPhil> I've been wearing a new anti-crisis helmet
[16:01:33] <kobach> lol
[15:52:06] <mattie_p> shh, knock on some wood, quick
[15:48:30] <janrinok> hi guys - has today's crisis started yet?
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[15:46:56] <mattie_p> FatPhil, you're still in charge?
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[15:08:01] <mechanicjay> Who is the keep of the SSL certs these days?
[15:07:46] <mechanicjay> Hey all
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[13:57:32] <cmdr_FatPhil> Staff/Volunteers - can people add their timezones to http://wiki.soylentnews.org . Later, a chart of who's most likely to be active when can be created.
[13:42:29] <cmdr_FatPhil> sure thing
[13:42:14] <cmdr_FatPhil> garbling the use of "argument" and "parameter" for example
[13:41:57] <xlefay> anyway I'm off to bed ;)
[13:41:33] <xlefay> I think that's why they're debating this sorta stuff
[13:39:38] <cmdr_FatPhil> ambiguities
[13:38:16] <xlefay> How so?
[13:37:55] <cmdr_FatPhil> it's a badly written standard
[13:35:59] <xlefay> that's plaintext btw in markdown
[13:35:31] <xlefay> https://raw.github.com seems more recent though
[13:34:34] <cmdr_FatPhil> well, I'm reading this which is prettier on my sysstem: http://www.leeh.co.uk
[13:32:05] <xlefay> /quote cap
[13:31:25] <xlefay> actually cmdr_FatPhil I think we do support the cap for sasl.. honestly I'll have to look into it, haven't given it much thought lately
[13:30:28] <xlefay> https://github.com if you aren't already reading it
[13:29:09] <xlefay> IRCv3 is pretty cool btw
[13:29:03] <xlefay> yea :)
[13:28:55] <cmdr_FatPhil> it's worth me learning about though!
[13:28:26] <xlefay> only for servers and services
[13:28:18] <cmdr_FatPhil> Ug, there's no capability negotiation at all presently
[13:27:47] <xlefay> Not sure I'll have to look into it a bit, but I'm reluctant since you know the IRC is probably not going to survive anyway, so we'll be left with Freenode (which runs a custom version of this IRCd, so maybe it's worth it not sure)
[13:26:46] <cmdr_FatPhil> Would it help if idlrpg bot understood CHGHOSTs?
[13:26:30] <xlefay> off to bed, bbl
[13:25:16] <xlefay> So essentially, on servers where it isn't done it can lead to trouble (although uncommon, it's best to prevent it) and until IRC clients support that new spec it isn't feasible.
[13:25:10] <cmdr_FatPhil> "host or user change without having to send a fake quit and join"
[13:24:45] <xlefay> I'm going back to bed
[13:24:34] <xlefay> not me
[13:23:48] <cmdr_FatPhil> Can someone take over as commander soon - I need to pop out for a short while
[13:23:41] <xlefay> That's why
[13:23:32] <xlefay> https://github.com
[13:22:09] * cmdr_FatPhil looks forward to the suckless irc server
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[13:20:09] <cmdr_FatPhil> what irc server is this, as it's a bit braindead
[13:19:53] <cmdr_FatPhil> but *my* host hasn't changed. it's internal reporting of it has changed, that's all.
[13:19:27] <xlefay> then reintroduces you, the server reputs your channel modes, etc.
[13:19:12] <cmdr_FatPhil> Ah, I do have quits ignored
[13:18:59] <xlefay> cmdr_FatPhil: correct. It simply says your host has changed
[13:18:42] <cmdr_FatPhil> the system doesn't tell *me* that I'm disconnected
[13:18:39] <xlefay> guessing quit's are disabled too?
[13:18:26] <cmdr_FatPhil> I think parts are disabled, but I see joins
[13:17:59] <xlefay> you got join/parts disabled?
[13:17:20] <cmdr_FatPhil> I've never noticed that at freenode
[13:16:54] <xlefay> Doesn't the same happen at Freenode also?
[13:16:43] <xlefay> The server reintroduced you as a client, most likely to avoid bad clients from having crap or desyncs, not entirely sure
[13:16:15] <cmdr_FatPhil> But I didn't "leave the server"?
[13:14:54] <xlefay> [03/12/14 13:12:35] --> cmdr_FatPhil (~pcarmody@Soylent/Staff/Developer/FatPhil) has joined this channel.
[13:14:52] <xlefay> [03/12/14 13:12:35] <-- cmdr_FatPhil (~pcarmody@Soylent/Users/863/FatPhil) has left this server (Changing host).
[13:14:46] <cmdr_FatPhil> why does it do that?
[13:14:11] <xlefay> be sure to sign back in to nerdrpg ;-)
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[13:07:41] <xlefay> or /msg hostserv - if /hs doesn't work for you.
[13:06:17] <xlefay> again $account as is.
[13:06:14] <xlefay> select on (leave $account as is) and /hs take vhost/$account
[13:06:03] <xlefay> /hs offerlist
[13:05:42] <cmdr_FatPhil> Sign me up for Dev
[13:05:31] <xlefay> What team are you in?
[13:05:15] <cmdr_FatPhil> Do I get a staff cloak?
[13:05:08] <xlefay> By winning that quest, I became #2 again ;DD
[13:04:59] <xlefay> oooooooooooh!
[13:04:32] <xlefay> yea you were already set to saff there, only had to fix it here
[13:03:50] <cmdr_FatPhil> worked in the other channel though
[13:03:45] <cmdr_FatPhil> many thanks
[13:03:28] <xlefay> now it will cmdr_FatPhil ;)
[13:03:25] -!- mode/#staff [-v Hedonismbot] by BaconTree
[13:03:25] <xlefay> .devoice Hedonismbot
[13:03:16] <xlefay> .flags Bender -V
[13:03:02] -!- mode/#staff [+v Hedonismbot] by BaconTree
[13:03:02] -ChanServ:#staff- xlefay set flags +io on !volunteers.
[13:03:02] <xlefay> .flags !volunteers staff
[13:02:57] <xlefay> .flags
[13:02:52] <xlefay> nope he didn't, not to the registar (afaik anyway... it wasn't listed in the file he send)
[13:02:49] <cmdr_FatPhil> Didn't work for me: 10:39 <+cmdr_FatPhil> .op
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[13:02:25] <xlefay> .op cmdr_FatPhil
[13:02:25] <cmdr_FatPhil> I think he handed over passwords to that to us.
[13:02:04] <xlefay> cmdr_FatPhil: afaik only matt_
[13:02:01] <cmdr_FatPhil> The domain's 30 days old now, so should be transferable now.
[13:01:49] <xlefay> around 21:00 CET I think. So hand it over around 20:30 and you'll be fine ;)
[13:01:33] <cmdr_FatPhil> Who has access to the domain registry web interface?
[13:01:25] <xlefay> the house will probably be on fire yea
[13:01:05] <cmdr_FatPhil> {:-) <- commander's hat
[13:00:35] <cmdr_FatPhil> I need to know the latter, so that I can hand over command about half an hour before it ;-)
[13:00:19] <cmdr_FatPhil> So, what's today's panic going to be? And when will it be?
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[12:48:46] <cmdr_FatPhil> round-trip time about an hour
[12:45:45] <xlefay> stderr: ;-)
[12:45:26] <xlefay> pong
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[11:47:28] <MrBluze> xlefay: ping?
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[11:39:39] <stderr> Ok. I think there was a reason why the bot wasn't restarted...
[11:38:35] <cmdr_FatPhil> and on the live system
[11:38:29] <cmdr_FatPhil> That's now fixed
[11:37:15] <stderr> Ah, you're right. We didn't want to restart the bot while a quest was running.
[11:36:11] <cmdr_FatPhil> you don't have the new code
[11:33:03] <stderr> Good thing we succeed then. :-)
[11:32:00] <cmdr_FatPhil> the latest time was when I adoptet the cmdr_ nick this morning :-(
[11:30:51] <cmdr_FatPhil> stderr: I keep trying to test the new success message in the test irpg channel, but I'v fucked up and failed the quest every single time
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[11:15:51] <MrBluze> Yeah I look forward to seeing the result
[11:06:48] <stderr> W00T!!!
[11:06:46] <stderr> <idlerpg> kobach, stderr, xlefay, and arachnist have blessed the realm by completing their quest! 25% of their burden is eliminated.
[11:03:59] <stderr> Best Subject EVER!!! http://soylentnews.org
[11:01:47] <MrBluze> He has them but I will remind him
[11:00:28] <MrBluze> I'll email matty
[10:55:51] <stderr> MrBluze: I'm not sure who's making the poll, but if it's you, be sure to include the TLD(s).
[10:50:30] <MrBluze> Brb
[10:50:05] <MrBluze> Deb voting
[10:49:56] <MrBluze> I like that
[10:49:18] <stderr> Bacon++
[10:48:36] <MrBluze> Served with bacon and parmesan
[10:48:21] <stderr> MrBluze: https://www.debian.org
[10:48:14] <MrBluze> Yummy
[10:47:38] <cmdr_FatPhil> sacrificing lots of chickens
[10:46:33] <MrBluze> How do they select the new leader?
[10:46:17] <MrBluze> Um.. Yes maybe
[10:43:48] <stderr> Based on this thread http://soylentnews.org maybe it would be a good idea to see how e.g. Debian selects a new leader...
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[10:24:05] <MrBluze> Prospectacle thanks again for great input earlier today
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[09:39:59] <cmdr_FatPhil> I'm pretty good at identifying who's the best person to actually do and change stuff, so that makes me fit for the role, I guess
[09:39:06] <cmdr_FatPhil> .op
[09:38:59] FatPhil is now known as cmdr_FatPhil
[09:33:42] <mattie_p> just don't break anything, you could hardly do worse than the rest of the staff in that respect :)
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[09:32:31] <mattie_p> .deop
[09:32:28] <mattie_p> so you are technically "in charge" until someone else pops in
[09:32:10] <mattie_p> well, you're the only one here
[09:28:48] <FatPhil> I'm online now, but in no position to command
[09:24:28] <mattie_p> I'm going to bed and need to turn this thing over to someone
[09:24:14] <mattie_p> any staff online?
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[07:06:27] <stderr> Old A-record for wiki still cached for 2 more days here and if I just stick the new record in my /etc/hosts, I'll forget, so I can't really check the wiki until Friday...
[07:04:24] <stderr> Excellent...
[06:59:38] <mattie_p> new post in ~60 seconds
[06:55:19] <stderr> I was there for at least 12.5 hours Monday... :-/
[06:54:41] <stderr> It'll probably be Friday...
[06:54:29] <stderr> I only need to go to work twice this week, so I have decided today isn't one of those days.
[06:54:15] <kobach> afk
[06:53:52] <mattie_p> just checking
[06:53:51] <kobach> lol
[06:53:45] <stderr> Yes? Your point being?
[06:53:37] <mattie_p> are you sleep typing?
[06:53:29] <mattie_p> umm, shouldn't you be waking up soon then?
[06:53:26] <kobach> yea im usually in bed hrs ago, was just out late
[06:53:08] <stderr> Damn, cause it's almost 7 in the morning here and I should find a bed too...
[06:53:04] <kobach> nice
[06:52:59] <mattie_p> kobach, had to special order some pork belly today, butcher was all out
[06:52:58] <kobach> rofl
[06:52:39] <mattie_p> well, I'm heading off to bed soon, so stderr, looks like you might be taking over
[06:52:03] <stderr> Ok, mattie_p, you asked for it... :-)
[06:51:47] <kobach> yes
[06:51:42] <kobach> lol
[06:51:38] <stderr> kobach: It almost sounded like he said "see if you can make an infinite loop printing bacon++", didn't it?
[06:51:35] <kobach> bbl
[06:50:18] <kobach> rofl, owned
[06:50:09] <mattie_p> drat, I'm op so I see all of his karma talk
[06:49:19] <stderr> bacon++
[06:49:14] <kobach> bacon++
[06:49:10] <kobach> hi stderr
[06:49:02] <kobach> lol
[06:48:14] <mattie_p> runoff poll on name later on if needed (We're shooting for 50%+1 vote)
[06:47:55] <mattie_p> posting article on how to incorporate soon (next 24-36 hours, probably)
[06:47:33] <mattie_p> posting name poll tomorrow
[06:47:16] <mattie_p> I was talking to NCommander
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[06:46:22] <stderr> mattie_p: You who?
[06:45:49] <kobach> its pretty late to have me review/check things
[06:45:33] <kobach> who do what
[06:42:18] <mattie_p> can you review?
[06:42:04] <mattie_p> Posting a status update
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[05:54:27] <mattie_p> for example, an advantage of the for profit or cooperative is that there is an infusion of cash into the company during the buy-out stage
[05:53:17] <mattie_p> I looked over his journal, its not the worst, maybe could use some more detail
[05:52:59] <mattie_p> yeah
[05:50:13] <drcoolbp> oh prospectacle
[05:49:49] <drcoolbp> ?
[05:32:53] <mattie_p> blarg, gone
[05:32:38] <mattie_p> If its a journal just post it
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[05:26:34] <stderr> I got 5 modpoints left... Suggestions?
[05:20:45] <mattie_p> missed him, ahh well
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[05:19:31] <paulej72> good night all
[05:19:14] <mattie_p> later paulej72, thanks for everything today
[05:18:40] <paulej72> Ok it time for bed for me see you tomorrow and I hope that I do not need to hear from anyone tomorrow :)
[05:17:49] <mattie_p> does your phone work yet?
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[05:14:31] <NCommander> Alright, I'm going to get packed up. If I'm needed, I'll be around in 12 hours or so
[05:12:33] <stderr> I know.
[05:12:13] <NCommander> stderr, the TTL for the DNS was set to 4w for awhile because we were concerned John was going to hijack us
[05:10:26] * NCommander is almost repacked
[05:07:01] <NCommander> I'm getting dressed and heading to KL Central to see if I can buy a same day train ticket
[05:06:45] <NCommander> mattie_p, not too long
[05:06:42] <mattie_p> don't forget you're on vacation
[05:06:36] <mattie_p> brb in a few, NCommander, how long you here for?
[05:05:43] <NCommander> I think I forgot to make accounts there
[05:05:37] <NCommander> *shit
[05:05:36] <NCommander> sht
[05:05:35] <NCommander> the database
[05:05:33] <NCommander> Oh
[05:05:16] <stderr> I still got an outdated DNS cache for the wiki... Does it mention that varnish wasn't making any logs, so varnishlog was (re)started?
[05:05:09] <paulej72> we do now on just one box NCommander
[05:04:52] <NCommander> and sudo to root
[05:04:48] <NCommander> audioguy and paulej72 have accounts as well
[05:04:14] <NCommander> seems jays account is MIA
[05:04:10] <NCommander> robin has an account
[05:03:51] <drcoolbp> also we created : http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[05:03:33] <drcoolbp> NCommander: thank you
[05:03:19] <NCommander> the box is lagging something feirce
[05:03:13] <NCommander> wow
[05:03:02] <NCommander> drcoolbp, robind
[05:02:59] <stderr> NCommander: I know the port number. Just didn't want to write it in clear... But ok... How do I get access to make such an SSH tunnel?
[05:02:57] <NCommander> paulej72, you don't need to block on me to get shit loanded
[05:02:51] <NCommander> paulej72, I wasn't clear. For landing changes, it just requires someone else to review. 2 sets of eyes for every change.
[05:02:49] <drcoolbp> NCommander: ALSO does anyone else have privledges on your linode account
[05:02:37] <mattie_p> ahh, excellent, thanks, paulej72
[05:02:25] <paulej72> mattie_p: I ave updated the incident report with a after action report form dev
[05:02:14] <drcoolbp> can you check?
[05:02:08] <NCommander> drcoolbp, I thought I reinstated it days ago
[05:02:03] <NCommander> stderr, :2600, but you have to have an SSH tunnel to the box
[05:01:57] <drcoolbp> NCommander: did we reinstate ssh for robin and mechanicjay yet?
[05:01:53] <xlefay> un = de, most of the times on IRC, it's confusing sometimes. unquiet is an exception.. dequiet doesn't sound that nice I guess. I would've prefferred (un)mute but whatever. :)
[05:01:52] * NCommander loves trains, and it sounds like a perfect way to recover myself
[05:01:49] <stderr> NCommander: Would it be possible to connect to port number (Some well known Hz) from the outside without going via Varnish? To be able to quickly see if a problem is varnish-related or not.
[05:01:43] <NCommander> By Rail, if possible
[05:01:41] <NCommander> mattie_p, Singapore
[05:01:33] <mattie_p> NCommander where you headed to today?
[05:01:21] <mattie_p> thanks
[05:01:10] -!- mode/#staff [-v Hedonismbot] by BaconTree
[05:01:10] <mattie_p> .devoice hedonismbot
[05:01:07] <xlefay> devoice :)
[05:01:03] <mattie_p> .unvoice hedonismbot
[05:00:55] -!- mode/#staff [+v Hedonismbot] by BaconTree
[05:00:55] <mattie_p> .voice hedonismbot
[05:00:40] <xlefay> mattie_p: correct.
[05:00:38] * NCommander is getting dressed and dragging his ass over to the train station
[05:00:29] <mattie_p> NCommander that is correct
[05:00:21] <NCommander> mattie_p, if I'm only supposed to be seeing Priorities then thats what I have
[05:00:19] <mattie_p> xlefay, ahh, because I'm op
[04:59:58] <mattie_p> NCommander I didn't reply to the manifesto, others were, mine was separate
[04:59:56] <NCommander> Crap
[04:59:56] <xlefay> (last note: mattie_p only you and I could see Hedonismbot respond...)
[04:59:46] <mattie_p> this am they didn't
[04:59:42] <NCommander> mattie_p, I saw the priorities email, not seeing a reply to the manifesto
[04:59:35] <NCommander> robind and mechaniacjay have SSH access to the boxes
[04:59:30] <mattie_p> mechanicjay helped
[04:59:25] <NCommander> Ugh
[04:59:18] <NCommander> looks like BaconTree went out to lunch
[04:59:16] <mattie_p> anyway, we fixed DNS and slashd today, though robind kind of had to hack into them to get it working
[04:58:31] <mattie_p> !quote 9
[04:58:23] <mattie_p> !grab NCommander
[04:58:14] <NCommander> I SHALL SMOOTHER THEM WITH PAPERWORK
[04:58:08] * NCommander is willing to write more emails to get something we can actually work with
[04:57:53] <mattie_p> Oh, don't hate. It was a joke. Everyone I spoke to about your email appreciated the detail you went into
[04:57:52] <stderr> NCommander: Your emails are long... :-)
[04:57:34] <stderr> :-)
[04:57:18] <NCommander> "I don't want to write an NCommander-style email"
[04:57:17] <NCommander> Ouch
[04:57:08] <mattie_p> I said it was you
[04:57:05] <mattie_p> oh, he was asking who eric was
[04:56:52] <mattie_p> later xlefay
[04:56:51] <paulej72> yes mattie_p
[04:56:44] <xlefay> aah, k, nighty night then
[04:56:38] <mattie_p> xlefay paulej72
[04:56:30] <mattie_p> NCommander yes: title "priorities for the next week"
[04:56:26] <xlefay> .. and drcoolbp, no worries! :-) | mattie_p: eric's who?
[04:56:24] <drcoolbp> BRB
[04:56:14] <mattie_p> I think FatPhil has valid points, and I think Eric already responded
[04:56:11] <NCommander> mattie_p, I don't see your stuff, did you send it to the list?
[04:55:57] * xlefay leaves. Ciao, enjoy your day/night!
[04:55:46] <mattie_p> you can elaborate off of that
[04:55:44] <xlefay> lol.
[04:55:42] <xlefay> !quote 8
[04:55:41] <mattie_p> NCommander read my stuff first, please
[04:55:30] <xlefay> A few noses and such but generally's the DNS.
[04:55:27] * NCommander is going to learn how to run this right.
[04:55:25] <mattie_p> !grab stderr
[04:55:21] <mattie_p> grab stderr
[04:55:19] <NCommander> mattie_p, I'm taking FatPhil's comments seriously and revising the staff manifesto
[04:55:18] -!- MrBluze_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
[04:55:10] <NCommander> What broke?
[04:55:04] <mattie_p> NCommander no rush, I'm just allowing everyone to take a break from *doing something now* to catch their breath and document stuff
[04:55:03] <xlefay> stderr++ like wtf are you on LOL
[04:55:02] <drcoolbp> NCommander: but everything should be relatively "peachy" now
[04:55:02] <NCommander> "joy"
[04:54:54] <xlefay> LOL
[04:54:49] <stderr> mattie_p: OMFSM! I'm so tired I misread that as "mattie_p pees in NCommander's direction :)"...
[04:54:43] <drcoolbp> Ncommander: we had almost 2 hrs of downtime
[04:54:35] <xlefay> I'm tired I oughta go sleep ;)
[04:54:26] <xlefay> damn I'm starting to get bad jokes on again ;)
[04:54:17] <drcoolbp> I'm reiterating here so people see what happened
[04:54:15] <xlefay> Yep ;) So where's that shame pole?
[04:54:11] <NCommander> mattie_p, not yet.
[04:54:05] <drcoolbp> true, just owning up to what happened
[04:53:58] <mattie_p> NCommander, you see my email?
[04:53:51] <xlefay> drcoolbp: honestly, don't worry it showed a weakness in our infra.
[04:53:43] <drcoolbp> though*
[04:53:40] <drcoolbp> the mistake I made was not telling him I'd have to close the account thoufh
[04:53:22] * xlefay blames them then.
[04:53:21] * mattie_p peers in NCommander's direction :)
[04:53:16] <xlefay> ooh..
[04:53:12] <mattie_p> he did. one of the members of dev/sys approved it
[04:52:59] <xlefay> but next time, check with sysops ! :)
[04:52:56] <mattie_p> its ok, I did it too when we were still alpha
[04:52:52] <xlefay> Oh man, shame on you! nah, don't worry about it
[04:52:36] <drcoolbp> yes
[04:52:33] <xlefay> So it was you then?
[04:52:27] <drcoolbp> kinda = totally
[04:52:22] <drcoolbp> NCommander I kinda killed the site earlier
[04:52:20] <drcoolbp> mattie_p I need to say this:
[04:52:06] <mattie_p> you want me to kick you?
[04:52:02] <mattie_p> yes you can
[04:51:56] <drcoolbp> ah crap now I can't leave
[04:51:38] <xlefay> you missed everything!
[04:51:35] <xlefay> and the ladies man
[04:51:25] <mattie_p> it was wild
[04:51:19] <mattie_p> guns a blazing
[04:51:12] <mattie_p> we had more pitchforks
[04:51:06] <mattie_p> everything
[04:50:59] <NCommander> What did I miss?
[04:50:58] <mattie_p> later, MrBluze_
[04:50:43] <MrBluze_> ciao
[04:50:42] <MrBluze_> i gtg
[04:50:35] <MrBluze_> thanks all
[04:49:46] <drcoolbp> later all, thanks for all the discussoin
[04:49:39] <drcoolbp> ciao!
[04:49:35] <xlefay> ciao drcoolbp ;]
[04:49:30] <drcoolbp> you too
[04:49:28] -!- mode/#staff [-v prospectacle] by BaconTree
[04:49:28] <xlefay> .devoice prospectacle
[04:49:27] <drcoolbp> I'll be gone all tomorrow likely
[04:49:21] <mattie_p> have a good night
[04:49:19] <mattie_p> drcoolbp see you later as well
[04:49:14] <drcoolbp> see you later
[04:49:11] <drcoolbp> I'm out for now guys
[04:48:42] -!- bytram_afk [bytram_afk!~a6b503a8@Soylent/Volunteer/martyb] has parted #staff
[04:48:29] <drcoolbp> haha
[04:48:05] * MrBluze_ helps paulej72
[04:48:03] <paulej72> .help me
[04:47:53] <paulej72> .help /me
[04:47:53] <mattie_p> I just play around when I get a chance. That isn't often
[04:46:53] <xlefay> ;]
[04:46:51] <xlefay> .help whatevercommand
[04:46:45] <xlefay> chanserv is type: .help
[04:46:33] <mattie_p> who else is going to teach me all this stuff?
[04:46:21] <xlefay> :P
[04:46:17] <mattie_p> I wouldn't want to
[04:46:15] * drcoolbp considers it
[04:46:08] <xlefay> (don't do that to me though.)
[04:46:04] <xlefay> or just .kickban name.. :)
[04:45:59] <drcoolbp> when you have time
[04:45:56] bytram is now known as bytram_afk
[04:45:55] <drcoolbp> team memevers I suggest you do the same
[04:45:49] <mattie_p> so ... .deop xlefay then .quiet xlefay?
[04:45:45] <drcoolbp> okay I'm gonna unplug, try to work out my docs
[04:45:30] <drcoolbp> ^^^^^
[04:45:25] <xlefay> e.g. people saying bad things about bacon
[04:45:17] <xlefay> mattie_p: giving friendly advice here in case you ever do need to quiet someone
[04:45:05] <xlefay> :P
[04:45:00] <mattie_p> xlefay I knew you could undo it, was a joke
[04:44:56] <xlefay> also it's probably best if they aren't IRCops ;]
[04:44:47] <drcoolbp> probably mattie_p
[04:44:41] <xlefay> also mattie_p, next time you want to mute someone make sure they aren't ops ;)
[04:44:36] <mattie_p> might want to learn before I do that again
[04:44:30] <mattie_p> oh, don't know how to undo that
[04:44:26] <bytram> it was fun working with all of you today!!!!
[04:44:22] <drcoolbp> goodnight bytram!
[04:44:18] <mattie_p> .unquiet xlefay
[04:44:17] <drcoolbp> he's gone mad with power, boy that was quick
[04:44:16] <xlefay> ... ;)
[04:44:15] <bytram> okay all, think with that I'll call it a night!
[04:44:12] -!- mode/#staff [-q *!*@Soylent/Staff/IRC/xlefay] by xlefay
[04:44:03] <drcoolbp> hahaha
[04:44:03] <mattie_p> any other objections?
[04:43:53] -!- mode/#staff [+q *!*@Soylent/Staff/IRC/xlefay] by BaconTree
[04:43:53] <mattie_p> .quiet xlefay
[04:43:39] <xlefay> mattie_p: hey now, conform!
[04:43:33] <drcoolbp> haha
[04:43:32] <bytram> MrBluze_: usually ends up as: "Measure with a micrometer, mark with chalk, cut with an axe."
[04:43:30] <mattie_p> not changing name, because it will cost me in irpg
[04:43:11] -!- mode/#staff [+o mattie_p] by BaconTree
[04:43:11] <mattie_p> .op
[04:43:07] Captain_coolbp is now known as drcoolbp
[04:43:07] -!- mode/#staff [-o Captain_coolbp] by BaconTree
[04:43:07] <Captain_coolbp> .deop
[04:43:06] <mattie_p> alright, I'm it
[04:42:49] <MrBluze_> measure twice cut once
[04:42:48] <Captain_coolbp> mattie_p you have command
[04:42:44] <MrBluze_> planfirstdosecond++
[04:42:43] <mattie_p> I saw that, great job Eric
[04:42:37] <Captain_coolbp> I should reliquish command If I'm to get to work on mine tonight
[04:42:22] <Captain_coolbp> Dev actually has a good deal of documentation so far
[04:41:42] <Captain_coolbp> mattie_p yes for me
[04:41:39] <bytram> mattie_p: Y E S ! ! ! ! !
[04:41:21] <MrBluze_> sh*.. i put my hand on some bacon
[04:41:21] <mattie_p> anyway, so can we all agree that we need documentation first before we leap ahead and cause the next self-inflicted wound?
[04:41:14] * MrBluze_ puts his hands on some bacon and swears
[04:41:09] <Captain_coolbp> it's not easy being the guy/gal in charge when things get ugly
[04:41:07] <bytram> mattie_p: couldn'thave done it without all the support I got... what a TEAM!
[04:41:03] <MrBluze_> i will try, in the zero time i have left this week, to do an update
[04:40:34] <mattie_p> bytram I hope you did, excellent work all around
[04:40:17] <bytram> mattie_p: thanks. I gave it my best. Learned a lot, too. =)
[04:40:00] <Captain_coolbp> okay
[04:39:58] <paulej72> not not yet
[04:39:50] <Captain_coolbp> http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[04:39:23] <Captain_coolbp> paulej72 thank you, did you add any notes to bytram/martyb's report?
[04:38:53] <bytram> Landon: who not?
[04:38:52] <paulej72> Captain_coolbp: we looked at the host file, which seemed rather strange and we are afraid to add a line for SN until we talk to NCommander
[04:38:41] <mattie_p> you did an awesome job as well
[04:38:39] <Landon> you're not #soylent :(
[04:38:38] <bytram> Captain_coolbp: thanks
[04:38:34] <mattie_p> bytram, didn't see you pop in
[04:38:30] <Landon> heh, I didn't realize Khan Academy had gamification
[04:38:21] <Captain_coolbp> after bytram
[04:37:59] <paulej72> audioguy and I were looking at the logs he found and it seems to me that slashd chocked on all of the FQDN in the urls in the site
[04:37:51] <bytram> mattie_p: I missed audioguy being in the chair... was that before I had the hot seat, or after?
[04:37:29] <Captain_coolbp> paulej72: did you guys resolve that problem?
[04:37:28] <mattie_p> paulej72 I think NCommander said several times slashd requires a specific domain name via DNS
[04:37:27] <xlefay> hey.. how about tcial.org?
[04:37:08] <xlefay> The revelation.
[04:37:04] <stderr> When I left around 21, there was still cake left...
[04:37:03] <xlefay> My god, the cake wasn't a lie
[04:36:58] <MrBluze_> thecakeisalie.org
[04:36:50] <Captain_coolbp> paulej72: yes
[04:36:43] <stderr> 2 cakes and only 6 or 7 people at work... Excellent!!!
[04:36:42] <xlefay> stderr: they were real?!
[04:36:40] <mattie_p> everyone, quick /join #thecakeisalie
[04:36:35] * Captain_coolbp considers xlefay's request
[04:36:31] <paulej72> Captain_coolbp: it looks like the DNS issue killed slashd the times match up
[04:36:17] <stderr> xlefay: The cakes at work yesterday wasn't a lie...
[04:36:09] <xlefay> Someone set up a "the cake is a lie" taskforce ASAP, unmake the lie!
[04:35:45] <xlefay> now that's an emergency!
[04:35:42] <MrBluze_> so much of what we initially started doing (with B in charge) was basicaly pulling rabbits out of our ... hats
[04:35:41] <xlefay> mattie_p: the cake is a lie
[04:35:25] <mattie_p> I know ICS is important, and it helped today, but not everything is an emergency
[04:35:08] <mattie_p> well, yes
[04:35:00] <MrBluze_> for the time being, provided we have stability
[04:34:42] <MrBluze_> but i TOTALLY agree, we need MORE planning andless DOING
[04:34:25] <mattie_p> i'd like to see all of us do that
[04:34:14] <mattie_p> audioguy did a good job today in his turn on top of thinking through the problem
[04:33:59] <MrBluze_> absolutely
[04:33:50] <mattie_p> MrBluze_ one of the major problems today was leaping then looking
[04:33:36] <MrBluze_> but all fair enough
[04:33:25] <MrBluze_> its a lot of stuff mattie_p
[04:33:17] <MrBluze_> oh
[04:33:04] * bytram blames tired fingers
[04:32:58] <bytram> mattie_p: you did. I didn't.
[04:32:54] <mattie_p> Priorititis sounds like some kind of management disease
[04:32:41] <mattie_p> I'm pretty sure I spelled it correctly, but yes
[04:32:35] <Captain_coolbp> yes
[04:32:16] <bytram> mattie_p: you "Prioritis for the Week" ??
[04:32:16] <mattie_p> this is just real quick, I previewed it with several individuals earlier
[04:32:12] <bytram> mattie_p: you "Prioritis for the Wee" ??
[04:32:12] <MrBluze_> uhhm
[04:31:52] <Captain_coolbp> ^^^^^
[04:31:50] <mattie_p> everyone get a chance to review them?
[04:31:46] <mattie_p> last thing I want to cover is my email directives
[04:31:33] <bytram> quick question? what else will be covered tonight? I need to be at work in8.5 hours and get some sleep before then.
[04:31:28] <mattie_p> someone has to be in charge at any given time, and everyone needs the turn
[04:31:08] <mattie_p> Captain_coolbp I'm kidding, of course.
[04:30:40] robinld is now known as robind
[04:30:40] <Captain_coolbp> mattie_p serves me right?
[04:30:39] <mattie_p> perfect timing
[04:30:32] <Captain_coolbp> hahaha
[04:30:27] -!- robind has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
[04:30:25] <Captain_coolbp> Captain Commander opts to delegate...
[04:30:19] <mattie_p> his fault for not dumping it back in my lap when I got back
[04:30:06] <Captain_coolbp> ah jeez
[04:29:59] <xlefay> mattie_p: agreed, Captain_coolbp should do it.
[04:29:46] <mattie_p> xlefay I'll do that, I'm the designated cat-herder. Or do we want whoever is commander to do it? *votes for commander*
[04:29:30] <bytram> btw, that's soylentnews dot org
[04:28:51] <mattie_p> once done, email admin @ soylentnews and we'll provide feedback on your journal entry, and get it submitted from there
[04:28:49] <bytram> prospectacle++ # thanks for that, and I just *love* your nick!
[04:28:48] <xlefay> Perhaps someone could send an email to the staff mailing list regarding the outcome of what happens here, e.g. discussions that took place, etc.. just to keep everyone informed?
[04:28:26] <Captain_coolbp> prospectacle++
[04:28:14] <bytram> prospectacle: great!
[04:28:13] <mattie_p> good
[04:28:01] <prospectacle> bytram, I'll do that one. The journal.
[04:28:00] <xlefay> Yes, article is the best method.
[04:27:56] <Captain_coolbp> mattie_p do you want to talk about the email you sent earlier?
[04:27:48] <mattie_p> we'll put it in an article
[04:27:46] <bytram> one more thing on polls... it's not just the count/totals that matters. The comments are insightful, too, as to the will of the community.
[04:27:45] -!- mode/#staff [+v robinld] by BaconTree
[04:27:45] -!- robinld [robinld!~robind@Soylent/Staff/Sysop/robind] has joined #staff
[04:27:44] <xlefay> sure
[04:27:41] <mattie_p> I think so
[04:27:35] <Captain_coolbp> okay can we table the business discussion?
[04:27:17] <MrBluze_> that is good
[04:27:00] <xlefay> bytram: exactly. MrBluze_ that's what prospectacle is going to do, or least give it a shot ;)
[04:26:14] <MrBluze_> to explain them..
[04:26:11] <bytram> xlefay: More the "goals" than the "hows"
[04:26:09] <MrBluze_> but for ppl to understand the differences - need someone who understands them
[04:25:58] <MrBluze_> yep
[04:25:50] <xlefay> MrBluze_: the main issue here is not a business course, it's what we want to be and where we want it to be
[04:25:46] <bytram> prospectacle: could also be written in your journal and point the submission at the journal.
[04:25:42] <mattie_p> more mod points will be spent
[04:25:40] <prospectacle> ok, I'll assume some editing will be done and include info you might or might not want to include in final publication
[04:25:35] <mattie_p> article is going to be better for discussion anyway, rather than a poll
[04:25:04] <xlefay> Thank you prospectacle, it's much appreciated.
[04:24:54] <mattie_p> yeah, that works
[04:24:51] <bytram> stderr++ # great idea
[04:24:49] <xlefay> (if required, that is)
[04:24:48] <MrBluze_> yeah, even better
[04:24:42] <xlefay> prospectacle: just submit it as an article, we can edit it from there I'd say :)
[04:24:37] <MrBluze_> send it to xlefay or mattie_p
[04:24:30] <Captain_coolbp> yes
[04:24:23] <stderr> A story or an "Ask SoylentNews"?
[04:24:21] <prospectacle> xlefay, bytram, I'll give it a shot, who do I send it to.
[04:24:13] <xlefay> mattie_p: eventually, sure.. but for now let's get the infos
[04:24:11] <mattie_p> matt_: you want to step up?
[04:24:07] <MrBluze_> anyone who has done a course on basic business stuff
[04:24:05] <bytram> prospectacle: You seem to have a good handle on this... would you like to step up and submit a story summarizing these points?
[04:24:01] <xlefay> Perhaps prospectacle would be so kind to help us getting the required information or even an article?
[04:23:56] <mattie_p> I don't know that we need a lawyer
[04:23:52] <MrBluze_> anyone with some business education can do it
[04:23:47] <Captain_coolbp> ^^^^^^^^^
[04:23:36] <MrBluze_> IANAL i cant do this
[04:23:27] <MrBluze_> xlefay: agreed
[04:23:27] <Captain_coolbp> any volunteers?
[04:23:27] <bytram> xlefay++ # yes, we need concrete information.
[04:23:22] <Captain_coolbp> we need someone to write a story on this
[04:23:14] <Captain_coolbp> xlefay: good point, I'm capturing prospectacles and a few other important comments
[04:22:46] <prospectacle> captain: e.g.2: you pay a memebership fee, you get a cut of all advertising revenue over expenses
[04:22:25] <prospectacle> captain: e.g. you pay a membership fee, you get a discount on merchandise.
[04:22:23] <xlefay> Honestly.. this should be an article on SN.. a real time discussion isn't proper till we actually get more information and give everyone some time to think. Least that's why I think.
[04:22:15] <prospectacle> captain: for a co-op to be meaningful, you need a clear , fair method that someone is a member and someone else isn't, and clear (financial) benefits for memebers.
[04:21:37] <Captain_coolbp> prospectacle: think of what we are trying to escape
[04:21:37] <MrBluze_> downsides = shared liability
[04:21:26] <Captain_coolbp> prospectacle: but what are the downsides?
[04:21:21] <stderr> bytram: After such a long voting period I think everyone will be bored...
[04:21:08] <xlefay> figures I only just got the joke....
[04:21:00] <prospectacle> co-op good if revenue intended to exceed expenses
[04:20:45] <bytram> stderr: that's better than being the bored leader. righ?
[04:20:40] <xlefay> Honestly though, that's not a good way
[04:20:14] <xlefay> stderr: then I'll be the board leader ;')
[04:20:09] <Captain_coolbp> yeah I should check that
[04:20:07] <MrBluze_> it however solves the money problem instantly
[04:19:58] <xlefay> no worries Captain_coolbp, now you know how to recognize it.
[04:19:56] <stderr> xlefay: Easy for each member of the site we put up a poll: "Should xyzzy be a member of the board? [Yes] [No]"... After 4000k weeks we got the list of board members... :-)
[04:19:50] * Captain_coolbp sighs again
[04:19:46] <MrBluze_> and usually your share = years member x subscription fee / total collected
[04:19:44] <Captain_coolbp> oh you just handle it xlefay
[04:19:43] <xlefay> notice the little + in front of his name? :)
[04:19:33] <xlefay> Captain_coolbp: he's already voiced again
[04:19:26] <Captain_coolbp> <+prospectacle> a co-operative requires a clear membership system
[04:19:24] <MrBluze_> yes, paid members etc .. mutual association
[04:19:11] <prospectacle> a co-operative requires a clear membership system
[04:19:06] <MrBluze_> co-op is really meant for a productive industry not a news site
[04:19:03] -!- mode/#staff [+v prospectacle] by BaconTree
[04:19:03] <xlefay> .voice prospectacle
[04:19:01] <xlefay> ehh..
[04:18:57] <xlefay> !voice prospectacle
[04:18:49] <xlefay> Captain_coolbp: agreed. co-op isn't what we should want.
[04:18:38] <MrBluze_> but that's a for-profit
[04:18:36] <xlefay> thank you stderr, that's pretty clear ; just curious how the board is going to get chosen.
[04:18:30] <MrBluze_> and members choose how the money is shared - who gets paid what etc
[04:18:29] <Captain_coolbp> seems like there's temptation for abuse
[04:18:13] <MrBluze_> but if it closes, money is shared
[04:18:08] <MrBluze_> co-operative is equal ownership of assets between members, members elect their leaders, etc - liek a club
[04:18:07] <stderr> At least that's how I understood it..
[04:17:50] <stderr> xlefay: A NonProfit/NotForProfit can't give the board of directors a bonus for doing well... But it can (and should!) put some money in the bank.
[04:17:47] <xlefay> Enlighten me/us MrBluze_
[04:17:44] <bytram> mattie_p: right! there's a hospital near me. not [for] profit (I don't recall exactly which one) but each year they have to spend any surplus on reinvestments such as equipment or building a new wing or the like.
[04:17:36] <MrBluze_> other possibility is co-operative
[04:17:32] <Captain_coolbp> = (
[04:17:30] <xlefay> The moment we become a for profit comp, we'll start getting corrupted.
[04:17:30] <Captain_coolbp> they never do..... = 9
[04:17:29] <Landon> nicks are left justified, not right
[04:17:19] <Landon> hehe Captain_coolbp those corrections don't line up on my screen
[04:17:07] <Captain_coolbp> notforprofit++
[04:17:02] <MrBluze_> notforprofit++
[04:17:00] <MrBluze_> notforprofit+
[04:16:52] <Captain_coolbp> ^want
[04:16:37] <xlefay> ok so... In that case, to answer your question: No. I don't us to be a for profit.
[04:16:18] <MrBluze_> j/k
[04:16:18] <mattie_p> not for profit means earnings in excess of expenses gets reinvested
[04:16:15] <xlefay> mattie_p: right was already wondering if you meant "not for profit"
[04:15:59] <MrBluze_> church of bacon
[04:15:57] <mattie_p> xlefay for profit means the moneys earned in excess of expenses *GOES TO OWNERS*
[04:15:54] <MrBluze_> we could become a church ;)
[04:15:48] <mattie_p> pardon
[04:15:42] <xlefay> MrBluze_: good.. was confused on that part
[04:15:40] <Captain_coolbp> xlefay yes
[04:15:38] <mattie_p> xlefay for profit means the moneys earned in excess of expenses gets reinvested
[04:15:30] <MrBluze_> yes, xlefay all organizations are allowed to have cash savings
[04:15:26] <xlefay> I'm not clear exactly on why it's called a NFP if we can..
[04:15:23] <bytram> then, we put it to the community as "Agreed: we change the site name to be: foo" [ ]Y or []N"
[04:15:18] <xlefay> e.g. to pay bills, etc..?
[04:15:11] * Captain_coolbp does *not* want a *for profit*
[04:15:11] <xlefay> mattie_p: we can have "earnings" with a NFP right?
[04:15:08] <mattie_p> yup
[04:15:04] * mattie_p nods
[04:15:04] <MrBluze_> now, for profit / not for profit
[04:14:57] <MrBluze_> yep, i think we're agreed on that bytram
[04:14:41] <bytram> If there's a clear victor, skip this next part. we just keep voting until we get down to either a clear winner or a top-two.
[04:14:34] <xlefay> haha :)
[04:14:33] <MrBluze_> our limit was 8, because the poll allows 8 things
[04:14:32] <mattie_p> topic change ok, now, does anyone seriously want a for profit company?
[04:14:09] <MrBluze_> ill buy u a beer xlefay
[04:14:04] <bytram> bytram: My assumption (yeah, I know) was that we would winnow things down until there was a choice of two, at most, choices....
[04:13:41] <Captain_coolbp> xlefay: blame taken
[04:13:20] <xlefay> I blame you lot.
[04:13:18] <MrBluze_> and the winning one only wins IF it is freely given, IF there are no obvious problems with it
[04:12:52] <xlefay> I have a bloody headache by the way. Jeez was supposed to sleep 6 hrs ago, still sick.. yay I'm an idiot.
[04:12:38] * Captain_coolbp adds that to list
[04:12:32] <Captain_coolbp> good question
[04:12:27] <xlefay> if the poll isn't reliable enough...
[04:12:20] <xlefay> bytram: but how does the community actually gets the say in the end..
[04:12:08] <xlefay> rofl don't got either haha
[04:12:02] <MrBluze_> well this list of names was a pragmatic one made by actually bought and available domain names
[04:11:56] <stderr> xlefay: Oh, YOU got xyzzy.nl... I'm talking about xyzzy.dk...
[04:11:43] <bytram> with the poll, we can have a more *informed* idea of what the community wants.
[04:11:33] <stderr> xlefay: Your firm?!
[04:11:24] <bytram> Up to now, we're working on our best *assumptions* as to what we think the community wants...
[04:11:24] <xlefay> how did you find my firm, stderr?
[04:11:22] <MrBluze_> not a pole
[04:11:14] <xlefay> :o
[04:11:07] <stderr> MrBluze_: It's not... You're think of xyzzy productions...
[04:11:06] <bytram> ^^^ ...
[04:11:05] <MrBluze_> oh definitely tahts why we have a poll
[04:10:48] <xlefay> MrBluze_: but we should tread carefully. In the end.. the community is the boss and we should do what's best for them.
[04:10:44] <Captain_coolbp> ah man....
[04:10:27] <mattie_p> then you're stuck with me for hours
[04:10:23] <MrBluze_> but if we get news that xyz.com is owned by xyz porno industries
[04:10:22] <mattie_p> back in 3 minutes, need to put my son to bed
[04:09:56] <MrBluze_> well i doubt we'd nuke it
[04:09:56] <mattie_p> stderr: unless there is a 50%+1 winner in 1st round
[04:09:45] <MrBluze_> and we can discuss
[04:09:42] <xlefay> As in, actual proof...
[04:09:42] <MrBluze_> we just go "the public have decided on xyz.com" .. please say if u dont accept etc
[04:09:38] <stderr> As in: There will be a second round too?
[04:09:38] <xlefay> Unless we have actual cause to nuke the vote we shouldn't.
[04:09:21] <mattie_p> Yeah, I can make whatever number have a million votes
[04:09:20] <xlefay> till we're an NFP I would suggest not doing that at all
[04:09:19] <MrBluze_> i dont think it'll be a problem, xlefay
[04:09:10] <mattie_p> stderr yes
[04:09:08] <xlefay> MrBluze_: in that case we can ratify or nuke every vote.. that's silly.
[04:09:04] <Captain_coolbp> yes
[04:08:54] <stderr> mattie_p: Stupid question: The first round of name poll?
[04:08:52] <MrBluze_> because if we suspect dodgy stuff we can annul it
[04:08:51] <Captain_coolbp> ^^^^^
[04:08:42] <MrBluze_> but the staff must decide to ratify the vote
[04:08:37] <mattie_p> otherwise top 2?
[04:08:32] <mattie_p> within 5 percentage points of leader, if more than 2?
[04:08:30] <Captain_coolbp> mattie_p: I'm okay with that
[04:08:14] <MrBluze_> yep that'll do
[04:08:11] <bytram> fwiw: MGM distributed "Soylent Green"... https://en.wikipedia.org
[04:08:08] <mattie_p> so top candidates are ... within 5 percentage points? let's draw a line
[04:07:41] <MrBluze_> mattie_p: depends on if 3 are close
[04:07:28] <MrBluze_> well perhaps i keep the names for a year anyway and if theres a problem we default to the next one etc
[04:07:08] <xlefay> [03/12/14 04:06:57] <prospectacle> by which i mean "Sorry,"
[04:07:06] <xlefay> [03/12/14 04:06:34] <prospectacle> Sprry, one last thing: Approval voting, if possible, is the easiest and most effective way to get a true result.
[04:07:06] <mattie_p> top 2 for runoff or top 3?
[04:07:00] <mattie_p> anyway, so we'll run the first round of name poll tomorrow, and I'll grab 1st post and mention that a runoff is likely unless we get a majority
[04:06:11] <mattie_p> matt_ :)
[04:06:10] -!- mode/#staff [-vv RoyCow1306] by xlefay
[04:06:04] <xlefay> RoyCow1306: prospectacle: I'm going to devoice you again, just speak your mind if somethings up! Captain_coolbp or I will hear you and relay or voice you or something else again.
[04:05:45] <matt_> assuming Disney doesn't have a problem with it, of course...
[04:05:39] <mattie_p> We will probably have to have a runoff
[04:05:34] <xlefay> I hope we toss it to be honest. Too much negativity associated with it.
[04:05:34] <mattie_p> Captain_coolbp: I almost guarantee we will not get a majority on any one name.
[04:05:25] <matt_> mattie_p: is fine.
[04:05:16] <MrBluze_> right, mattie_p
[04:05:13] <mattie_p> matt_ any problems with that?
[04:05:10] <Captain_coolbp> mattie_p: I meant more: when, will poll be binding etc.
[04:05:08] <xlefay> MrBluze_: but I shouldn't ;-)
[04:05:07] <mattie_p> I think even if we don't keep SN.org as our name, we can keep it as a permanent redirect
[04:04:56] <MrBluze_> u can vote, xlefay, u have a UID
[04:04:39] <xlefay> mattie_p: in all fairness, I shouldn't vote.. but idlerpg option really I couldn't resist! So whatever the result is, do "for minus 1"
[04:04:35] <MrBluze_> in any case, soylentnews.org should be kept for redirects etc for at least a while
[04:04:30] <mattie_p> We have 7 names to run, I'll run them all in randomized order (you'll have to trust me on that part)
[04:04:00] <Captain_coolbp> mattie_p: what is the plan for the name vote?
[04:03:53] <MrBluze_> yup
[04:03:47] <mattie_p> tomorrow I'll post a new poll
[04:03:46] <stderr> About the IRC vote: http://soylentnews.org
[04:03:40] <xlefay> I just hope the vote gets done fairly ;)
[04:03:35] <MrBluze_> yeah
[04:03:32] <mattie_p> anyway, we'll let it run some more
[04:03:20] <mattie_p> I made that number up (the 4%) but its not bad
[04:02:52] <mattie_p> factor in a +/- 4% and its tied
[04:02:46] <xlefay> "only for idlerpg" = a yes to the question so ;)
[04:02:14] <MrBluze_> its not deadlocked, because idlerpg + keep irc here > freenode
[04:02:13] <mattie_p> yeah, statistically its a dead heat
[04:02:11] <xlefay> Captain_coolbp: not really, 36 for 33 against so far, I'd say let it run a bit more
[04:01:54] <Captain_coolbp> xlefay it's deadlocked
[04:01:49] <xlefay> I figured that's what it was..
[04:01:38] <xlefay> mattie_p: this vote is supposed to be the deciding factor...
[04:01:33] <stderr> mattie_p: If we want to be nerdy, we can do what we did when we started DTU-LUG (The Technical University of Denmarks Linux User Group)... Our first rule was "Rule 0: Our arrays are 0-indexed"...
[04:01:33] <mattie_p> bytram yes
[04:01:21] <MrBluze_> actually the result is in favor of status quo
[04:01:20] <mattie_p> its really to get a feel for what everyone wants, but it isn't official in any way, nor can it
[04:01:11] <MrBluze_> lol yes
[04:01:00] <Captain_coolbp> http://soylentnews.org
[04:00:59] <mattie_p> MrBluze_ you know that the poll itself says to not use it for anything important, right?
[04:00:50] <xlefay> just to be sure, the IDLERPG votes count towards having the IRCd stay, yes, no?
[04:00:50] <bytram> mattie_p: this is the poll about the IRC network of our own,right?
[04:00:37] <xlefay> mattie_p: honestly.. I don't care, I'm surprised it got so much votes for already
[04:00:22] <xlefay> mattie_p: haha I was kidding
[04:00:10] <MrBluze_> or until u get statistical significance
[04:00:08] <mattie_p> xlefay when which one is on the plus
[04:00:07] <xlefay> which it is now xD
[04:00:06] <MrBluze_> u have to give IRC poll 24h at least
[03:59:57] <xlefay> mattie_p: how about when it's in the plus?
[03:59:52] <MrBluze_> well this project is too small for full democracy
[03:59:44] <mattie_p> when should I take down IRC poll? it was only been up for a couple of hours
[03:59:40] <Captain_coolbp> that is a worry
[03:59:26] <mattie_p> too many votes we need to give
[03:59:14] <MrBluze_> yep .. has to be right, and has to be SEEN to be right
[03:59:00] <xlefay> mattie_p: the truth is.. it doesn't matter what impressions we're getting, we need certainty and so does the community (it's not intended as an insult or in anyway ill-intended)
[03:58:53] <paulej72> lol
[03:58:52] <bytram> ROFL!!!!!!!
[03:58:44] <mattie_p> when we write bylaws we can call it that
[03:58:40] <MrBluze_> borg
[03:58:38] <MrBluze_> ftw
[03:58:34] <Captain_coolbp> bytram: ROFL
[03:58:30] <MrBluze_> lol bytram love it
[03:58:14] <xlefay> ooh MrBluze_'s message
[03:58:14] <bytram> then we'd need to elect a Board Of Representative Governors, aka BORG ;^)
[03:58:11] <xlefay> about having the NFP or?
[03:58:09] <paulej72> MrBluze_: DeconBluze
[03:58:09] <MrBluze_> no not at all mattie_p
[03:57:54] <mattie_p> I certainly hope that isn't the intention behind this. HAve you gotten that impression yet from NCommander or me?
[03:57:20] <MrBluze_> a la B
[03:57:12] <MrBluze_> yeah ppl are decidedly anti "my bat, my ball, i'm going home" possibilities
[03:57:12] <matt_> mattie_p: k.
[03:56:52] <xlefay> mattie_p: I think it's safe to say most of us want an NFP but.. we need discussions, e.g. the community do they want it? in what country do we want to establish an NFP if the first question is true? etc..
[03:56:50] <mattie_p> matt_: By the way, got your email, I'll drop you a line later
[03:56:48] <Captain_coolbp> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[03:56:40] <bytram> I'd say we know that we don't know enough about the differences to make an informed decision.
[03:56:36] <mattie_p> you all went nuts when I stepped out
[03:56:18] <MrBluze_> SisterNeckBeard
[03:56:15] <Captain_coolbp> I can repost a few important points
[03:56:15] <MrBluze_> i might change my name ti SisterBluze or something ridiculous
[03:56:02] <mattie_p> ok, so where do we stand on NFP talk right now?
[03:56:02] <MrBluze_> no prob
[03:55:57] <bytram> MrBluze_: soory, that was suppose to go to mattie_p
[03:55:49] <Captain_coolbp> xlefay: agreed
[03:55:40] <stderr> mattie_p: I know, and I asked why not... And then we voted on it. :-)
[03:55:39] <MrBluze_> it got a lot of +'s
[03:55:37] <xlefay> mattie_p: we should involve the community in NFP discussions, the more info and discussion the better.
[03:55:14] <mattie_p> stderr, thanks, just it wasn't on the list earlier that we voted on
[03:55:12] <bytram> MrBluze_: port119 == Network News Transfer Protocol
[03:55:10] <MrBluze_> if it doesnt get up, he can buy it off me no worries lol
[03:55:02] <MrBluze_> yep stderr
[03:54:54] <MrBluze_> its the nntp port
[03:54:50] <stderr> <- mattie_p
[03:54:50] <MrBluze_> i just bought that
[03:54:42] <mattie_p> where'd port119 come from?
[03:54:41] <MrBluze_> the list on wiki was just a list, but the shortlist has backers
[03:54:40] <bytram> don't know which is which but there is also a distinction between which one's donations can or cannot be written off on the donor's taxes as a tax-deductible dontation.
[03:54:27] <MrBluze_> current list: baconnews / nerdcard / geekcard / dailybacon / ionews / port119 / soylentnews
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[03:54:27] <Captain_coolbp> ^^^
[03:54:22] <MrBluze_> the shortlist is settled
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[03:54:12] <Captain_coolbp> yes
[03:54:06] <mattie_p> alright back now, and we're doing "non-profit talk for fun and profit" I see
[03:53:53] <stderr> That's wikipedia, so it's all lies...
[03:53:38] <stderr> "A nonprofit organization (US and UK),[1] or not-for-profit organization (UK and others), often called an NPO or simply a nonprofit and non-commercial organization (Russia and CIS[citation needed]), often called an NCO, is an organization that uses surplus revenues to achieve its goals rather than distributing them as profit or dividends.[2]"
[03:53:34] <MrBluze_> but i think if we dont aim for becoming a big business we are better off
[03:53:12] <xlefay> I bet
[03:53:11] <MrBluze_> i dunno about any of that
[03:53:03] <bytram> xlefay: and there are variations within each of those, as well, I'm sure.
[03:52:56] <xlefay> !
[03:52:55] <xlefay> NotUSNFP++
[03:52:07] <xlefay> NP vs. NFP.. no shit
[03:51:51] <bytram> as opposed to "NP"
[03:51:48] <xlefay> No worries hah, was just making the counter equal!
[03:51:35] <bytram> I wish I knew the exact difference, only that istr that NCommander used the term "NFP"
[03:51:34] <Captain_coolbp> I'm not authorising a binding vote on this, but we can collect these results for review
[03:51:32] <stderr> xlefay: I know... Thanks.
[03:51:21] <xlefay> AlreadyDoneThatStderr++
[03:51:13] <MrBluze_> NFP .. u'll end up with a big family
[03:51:11] <xlefay> fine.
[03:51:10] <xlefay> NotForProfit++
[03:51:08] <stderr> GiveMoneyToStderr++
[03:50:57] <xlefay> seriously.. after reading all those mails today.. let's use NFP
[03:50:56] <stderr> NotForProfit++
[03:50:53] <stderr> bytram: Oh? Explain...
[03:50:49] <xlefay> NFP++
[03:50:27] <MrBluze_> i mean.. the owners of those domains
[03:50:20] <Captain_coolbp> regarding what?
[03:50:20] <bytram> NotForProfit++ # there is a difference
[03:50:18] <MrBluze_> but no one came forward to support it
[03:50:14] <Captain_coolbp> bytram?
[03:50:11] <MrBluze_> the list on wiki is fine
[03:50:08] <Captain_coolbp> thanks
[03:50:05] <stderr> That is all...
[03:49:59] <stderr> NonProfit++
[03:49:59] <bytram> motion to adjurn?
[03:49:56] <stderr> I do...
[03:49:47] <Captain_coolbp> does anyone have anything else to add?
[03:49:39] <Captain_coolbp> it was a good discussion
[03:49:23] <Captain_coolbp> ....please, we were talking non profit
[03:49:16] <stderr> Probably more... I haven't checked their prices on transfers.
[03:49:10] <xlefay> e.g. buying from MrBluze_ then transferring :) hence why I'm suggesting it's probably cheaper to first keep it at transip till you get that money ;]
[03:49:10] <MrBluze_> or is that lsroot
[03:49:08] <Captain_coolbp> okay, you can all take that somewhere else?
[03:49:06] <MrBluze_> isroot?
[03:48:58] <stderr> Probably...
[03:48:54] <stderr> But yeah, I could do that later...
[03:48:43] <xlefay> stderr: an option but would probably cost you double
[03:48:22] <stderr> xlefay: I would probably transfer them to gratisdns.dk where I have all my other domains...
[03:47:51] <xlefay> besides paying MrBluze_ that is ;)
[03:47:49] <MrBluze_> oh, yeah whatever we can solve that over a beer later
[03:47:46] <Captain_coolbp> http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[03:47:27] <xlefay> as a tip, if stderr makes a transip account (free), MrBluze_ can simply "push them" without actually transferring, so there's no costs for the domain. that is however contingent on stderr trusting MrBluze_ not to forcefully take back ownership because his name is on it.
[03:47:19] <MrBluze_> because they came with real names of people - its more believable
[03:47:14] <stderr> paulej72: Maybe they were rejected because the list was public?
[03:47:06] <MrBluze_> i dunno, i got my list from emails
[03:47:04] <Captain_coolbp> brb
[03:47:02] * Captain_coolbp checks the wiki
[03:46:55] <stderr> It has to be later. I don't have any money at the moment... :-/
[03:46:53] <Captain_coolbp> no idea
[03:46:47] <paulej72> what happen to the list that was on the wiki of name suggestions?
[03:46:32] <MrBluze_> we can talk about that later
[03:46:29] <MrBluze_> sure
[03:46:21] <stderr> MrBluze_: And maybe selling some of them to me when I get some money...
[03:46:11] <MrBluze_> thanks everyone.
[03:45:38] * MrBluze_ is a sucker for buying stuff he cant use
[03:45:23] <MrBluze_> because they are nearly all mine lmao
[03:45:19] <MrBluze_> good, and i know all chices are available
[03:45:16] <Captain_coolbp> keeplistasis++
[03:45:08] <bytram> brb
[03:45:00] <bytram> KeepListAsIs++
[03:44:47] <stderr> KeepListAsIs++
[03:44:29] <MrBluze_> current list: baconnews / nerdcard / geekcard / dailybacon / ionews / port119 / soylentnews
[03:44:25] <bytram> Leave list as is? yes
[03:44:24] <MrBluze_> and then i close this and it can go to vote
[03:44:22] <stderr> MrBluze_: Repeat list...
[03:44:14] <MrBluze_> 20 seconds to veto
[03:44:00] <Captain_coolbp> MrBluze I vote yes
[03:43:54] <bytram> nvm
[03:43:49] <stderr> I think NCommander said something about also knowing people in Software in the Public Interest.
[03:43:48] <MrBluze_> any more irresistable ideas?
[03:43:46] <RoyCow1306> SPI might not want to help, but it's a small investment to ask.
[03:43:42] <MrBluze_> ok do we leave the list as it is now?
[03:43:33] <bytram> SPI?
[03:43:20] <stderr> <- One of us...
[03:43:14] <stderr> bytram: Because one of us is a member of SPI?
[03:42:52] <bytram> RoyCow1306: let me put on my Devil's Advocate hat and ask: "Why would they *want* to help us?"
[03:42:45] <stderr> 45 users in the #spi channel...
[03:42:23] <MrBluze_> they make good pet crocodiles
[03:42:21] <stderr> RoyCow1306: They are...
[03:42:16] <prospectacle> e.g. NY: http://www.dos.ny.gov
[03:42:15] <MrBluze_> we could contact EFF etc
[03:42:02] <RoyCow1306> Why not touch base with Software in the Public Interest; I think they're the legal entity behind Debian and some other organizations. They might have some pointers or be willing to be the "legal entity" if you didn't want to incorporate?
[03:41:49] <prospectacle> (for US): A nonprofit needs to register with a state. Please contact a State Secretary of State office where you plan to incorporate your nonprofit. (http://answers.usa.gov/system/templates/selfservice/USAGov/#!portal/1012/article/4166/Starting-and-Incorporating-a-Nonprofit-Organization)
[03:41:46] <xlefay> I am.
[03:41:46] <MrBluze_> but i like geekcard, cause everyone who subscribes gets mailed a geekcard
[03:41:43] <Captain_coolbp> ?
[03:41:42] <Captain_coolbp> okay as per roycow1306's comment, is anyone opposed to having the NFP in the US
[03:41:15] <xlefay> but we can't vote multiple options can we :<
[03:41:11] <MrBluze_> its so easy to say it .. go see dailybacon, it's the best news
[03:41:11] <bytram> MrBluze_: really? I read some articles on Ars Technica about somebody making a food-like product called Soylent
[03:40:59] <xlefay> ^ yes.
[03:40:55] <MrBluze_> im gonna vote for dailybacon, that has me in stitches
[03:40:49] <stderr> Captain_coolbp: You didn't miss it... It was the same line. :-)
[03:40:38] <xlefay> haha
[03:40:32] <stderr> I really like that 4 of the 7 names on that list was suggested by me (and probably others too)
[03:40:19] <bytram> RoyCow1306: very intersting observation... thanks!
[03:40:18] <Captain_coolbp> sorry if I missed that stderr, I'm trying to keep up
[03:40:17] <MrBluze_> because soylent is owned by disney
[03:40:15] <xlefay> We want to protect the community generally but.. law enforcement is tricky
[03:40:14] <MrBluze_> i argue soylentnews is the most risky
[03:39:53] <xlefay> RoyCow1306: yeah, that's one of my fears
[03:39:52] <MrBluze_> speak, RoyCow1306
[03:39:42] <stderr> Captain_coolbp: I did start one a long time ago, but I have forgotten most of it and it was in Denmark, so forget I even said so...
[03:39:39] -!- mode/#staff [+v RoyCow1306] by xlefay
[03:39:26] <Captain_coolbp> <RoyCow1306> Jurisdiction shopping may be touchy. A NFP will have a board of directors. If any of them are say US citizens they may still be within reach of US legal enforcements.
[03:39:21] <xlefay> mattie_p: we should involve the community in NFP discussions, the more info and discussion the better.
[03:39:16] <MrBluze_> current list: baconnews / nerdcard / geekcard / dailybacon / ionews / port119 / soylentnews
[03:39:04] * bytram notes that prospectacle completed his statement with a proper ";
[03:38:45] <Captain_coolbp> prospectacle: do you have any experience with nonprofits?
[03:38:20] <prospectacle> MrBluze_ += good_point;
[03:38:18] <bytram> nope.
[03:38:13] <xlefay> LOL
[03:38:09] <stderr> Speaking as a NSA front myself: Everything is.
[03:38:00] <Captain_coolbp> anyone here actually know anything about setting up a non-profit?
[03:37:58] <MrBluze_> lawyers dont know either, they just guess - the judge decides
[03:37:47] <xlefay> stderr: another NSA front, I'm sure.
[03:37:21] <xlefay> oh I see.
[03:37:06] <MrBluze_> that makes sense
[03:37:06] <stderr> xlefay: World Trade Org.
[03:37:04] <MrBluze_> prospectacle: u dont need to be a lawyer
[03:36:57] <prospectacle> IANAL!!!!!
[03:36:57] <xlefay> WTO?
[03:36:47] <prospectacle> MrBluze_ using a diff. country probably add some protection. Of course if it became big there is always WTO to take us to, but that seems far fetched.
[03:36:47] <xlefay> about a min ago actually :P
[03:36:32] <xlefay> MrBluze_: he was actually replying to you a bit ago :)
[03:36:12] <MrBluze_> prospectacle: u have voice
[03:36:05] <MrBluze_> prospectacle: what do u think? ..
[03:36:00] <bytram> i only mentioned USA because it's the only jurisdiction I have some clue about. not advocating one way or another.
[03:36:00] <Captain_coolbp> okay can we have a discussion on NFP location?
[03:35:59] <xlefay> I'm hoping we'll have some community discussions about that really
[03:35:45] <MrBluze_> unless there is
[03:35:41] <MrBluze_> we could incorporate in another country, nothing saying we can't
[03:35:22] <xlefay> Captain_coolbp: It's just that everytime the discussion takes place the US laws get pulled up at some point
[03:35:13] <paulej72> isleofnews seem like a penisland type of thing
[03:35:08] <prospectacle> MrBluze_ they might say we are diluting their brand, causing confusion, etc
[03:35:06] <MrBluze_> bytram: yes, but u still have to have a reasonable case
[03:35:00] <Captain_coolbp> to my knowledge
[03:34:54] <Captain_coolbp> xlefay: there is no NFP strike team yet
[03:34:50] <bytram> as I understand it here in the USA, a non-profit is not supposed to show a *profit* each year, but it can still have *assets*. that's worth suing for!
[03:34:40] <stderr> bytram: I assume the name of the Non-Profit has the domain name as part of its name, so it makes sense to decide a name first.
[03:34:31] <MrBluze_> because we aren't stealing revenue
[03:34:28] <xlefay> So have we decided the NFP be in the US already?
[03:34:26] <MrBluze_> but if we are not for profit we cant be damaging people's market really
[03:34:17] <MrBluze_> yes , xlefay
[03:34:14] <Captain_coolbp> isleofnews--
[03:34:07] <xlefay> MrBluze_: isn't that generally the case?
[03:34:02] <MrBluze_> isleofnews?
[03:33:52] <MrBluze_> ionews is now on the list
[03:33:49] <stderr> bytram: Get the name by public poll. Start the Non-Profit. Transfer domain to Non-Profit.
[03:33:44] <Captain_coolbp> MrBluze: I bought it
[03:33:44] <MrBluze_> financial damage
[03:33:40] <MrBluze_> xlefay: .. to sue, u need to establish damage
[03:33:33] <Captain_coolbp> anything can be sued
[03:33:32] <MrBluze_> ionews is on the shortlist but it has to be bought
[03:33:16] <xlefay> I'm curious why MrBluze_ thought it couldn't be sued though
[03:33:14] <Captain_coolbp> bluze we had a concensus on ionews correct? Can that be added to the short list?
[03:33:12] <MrBluze_> most of these are just parked domains
[03:33:09] <bytram> so, what comes first? The site name? Or the site "governance" [non]profit?
[03:33:07] <MrBluze_> baconnews also
[03:33:02] <xlefay> stderr: seems that way
[03:32:48] <MrBluze_> that is free
[03:32:47] <stderr> xlefay: I didn't have anything clever to say... Seems like nobody else did either.
[03:32:45] <MrBluze_> geekcard is not a business entity
[03:32:08] <xlefay> man.. you're nifty aren't you :)
[03:32:07] <MrBluze_> well we have to consider all o fthis
[03:32:05] <paulej72> Captain_coolbp: understood
[03:31:54] <xlefay> ... LOL
[03:31:53] <MrBluze_> oh
[03:31:48] <stderr> xlefay: Done!
[03:31:46] <stderr> prospectacle: Ok.
[03:31:44] <Captain_coolbp> paulej72: We want to have this ready to go at the drop of a hat if necessary
[03:31:34] <xlefay> so ehm.. no-one's going to speak back to prospectacle? :)
[03:31:30] <MrBluze_> lol
[03:31:22] * xlefay notes that echo keeps getting louder
[03:31:12] <Captain_coolbp> = )
[03:31:02] <xlefay> no worries buddy ;)
[03:31:00] <Captain_coolbp> reading backlog
[03:30:58] * xlefay laughs
[03:30:57] <Captain_coolbp> sorry
[03:30:54] <Captain_coolbp> oh
[03:30:52] <xlefay> he's voiced!
[03:30:49] <xlefay> Captain_coolbp:
[03:30:46] <Captain_coolbp> <+prospectacle> you can sue a nonprofit
[03:30:36] <prospectacle> you can sue a nonprofit
[03:30:24] <xlefay> say whatever useful you have to say
[03:30:19] -!- mode/#staff [+v prospectacle] by BaconTree
[03:30:19] <xlefay> .voice prospectacle
[03:30:14] <xlefay> <prospectacle> http://www.nonprofitrisk.org
[03:30:11] <Captain_coolbp> paulej72: possibly, we are trying to take care of as much of this plan as possible
[03:30:06] * bytram would prefer a spiel cheeker
[03:30:03] <xlefay> stderr: righ!*
[03:29:54] <stderr> bytram: Wait?! I only got THAT right?!
[03:29:42] <xlefay> Think he's right..
[03:29:41] * stderr buys speelcheeker for bytram... :-)
[03:29:29] <xlefay> about the NFP suing and all
[03:29:17] <xlefay> prospectacle: <prospectacle> There's no way that's true
[03:29:13] <Captain_coolbp> okay I just purchased ionews.org
[03:29:09] <bytram> stderr++ # you got THAT righ!
[03:29:06] <paulej72> then we need tom incorporate befre changing names
[03:29:02] <xlefay> MrBluze_: I was kidding of course (about the hostage!)
[03:28:57] <stderr> MrBluze_: That probably won't stop them from trying. :-/
[03:28:48] <xlefay> Really.. That's good to know.
[03:28:30] <MrBluze_> if we are not for profit, they cant sue
[03:28:24] <stderr> paulej72: tulip bacon has a lot of money as far as I know...
[03:28:16] <xlefay> You know, I bet, he'll ask for some tea in exchange!
[03:28:09] <MrBluze_> lol
[03:27:59] <paulej72> stderr: those .com people have more money to sue :)
[03:27:56] * xlefay waits till MrBluze_ holds us hostage
[03:27:53] <bytram> We can grab: isleofnews.[com|org|net|jp|dk] all look to be available
[03:27:45] <MrBluze_> baconnews / dailybacon / geekcard / nerdcard / port119 i have
[03:27:43] <xlefay> err, .net and .org
[03:27:39] <xlefay> In reality, if they wanted to prevent that.. they should've registered the .net and .com already.
[03:27:02] <stderr> paulej72: Or the owners of .jp...
[03:27:01] <xlefay> MrBluze_: don't, it'll cost you a lot and more and more suggestions will keep coming.
[03:26:44] <MrBluze_> grr.. this is like gambling, i keep bying more
[03:26:44] <xlefay> They can't own Bacon.
[03:26:43] <stderr> paulej72: The owners of the .dk might not like us either...
[03:26:28] <bytram> we can grab isleofnews.[com|org|net] all look to be available
[03:26:20] <paulej72> stderr: the problem is the owners of the .coms may not like us.
[03:26:12] <MrBluze_> i wont buy isleofnews, but someone else can
[03:25:32] <paulej72> i like dailybacon better too
[03:25:23] <stderr> Nerds know not all domains are .com's.
[03:25:03] <bytram> isleofnews++
[03:24:59] <stderr> Yes, fuck .com!
[03:24:58] <MrBluze_> i actually like it more than baconnews
[03:24:55] <xlefay> dailybacon.net
[03:24:54] <bytram> MrBluze_: it looks to me that isleofnews.com is available
[03:24:48] <xlefay> Daily Bacon Network!
[03:24:45] <stderr> Selling price for dailybacon: One slice of bacon for the rest of his life...
[03:24:41] <xlefay> screw .com
[03:24:36] <MrBluze_> but not .com
[03:24:34] <MrBluze_> dailybacon,org and .net
[03:24:29] <MrBluze_> i have those :)
[03:24:06] <bytram> MrBluze_++ # let me check...
[03:23:59] <xlefay> Really? I couldn't reproduce that
[03:23:49] * MrBluze_ grins
[03:23:43] <xlefay> MrBluze_: dailybacon... that'll earn you a fortune ;)
[03:23:43] <bytram> xlefay: sounds like: I love news
[03:23:35] <MrBluze_> isleofnews
[03:23:24] <xlefay> probably that's the case for most non-native english speakers
[03:23:21] <MrBluze_> i know they are good realestate
[03:23:14] <xlefay> bytram: sounds really, really weird ;)
[03:23:05] <stderr> MrBluze_: I might be interested in the names I suggested... If I have any money when you're selling... :-/
[03:22:57] <bytram> even better: aisleofnews.com is avail (say it out loud)
[03:22:52] <MrBluze_> it has to be bought or it doesnt get voted on
[03:22:51] <Captain_coolbp> brb, Bluze is Strike Team commander
[03:22:46] * MrBluze_ nods
[03:22:33] <xlefay> Captain_coolbp: then do it. ;)
[03:22:24] <MrBluze_> ill sell them on or whatever, the ones that dont get voted on
[03:22:20] <Captain_coolbp> I would buy ionews....
[03:22:06] <xlefay> eyeofnews-- # sorry marty!
[03:22:04] <MrBluze_> its all good
[03:21:59] <MrBluze_> nah i dont care really stderr
[03:21:57] <bytram> hmm eyeofnews.com is available.
[03:21:49] <MrBluze_> someone has to buy it, or we cant put it to vote
[03:21:47] <stderr> MrBluze_: When I get some money, I'll pay you back for port119.net
[03:21:37] <MrBluze_> but i am not buying it
[03:21:36] <bytram> hmmm, eyeofnews ?
[03:21:34] <MrBluze_> ionews.org is available
[03:21:32] <xlefay> Unless you would prefer an English tea party instead. ;)
[03:21:22] <MrBluze_> any more?
[03:21:19] <MrBluze_> ok so that's that
[03:21:12] <MrBluze_> lol ofc
[03:21:08] <xlefay> MrBluze_: how about two beers? :--)
[03:20:57] <MrBluze_> a coffee and a teacake
[03:20:53] <bytram> w serve a witches brew of news here, no dobt!
[03:20:46] <MrBluze_> 4.75 euro
[03:20:23] <stderr> :-)
[03:20:23] <xlefay> stupid new tld?
[03:20:18] <stderr> bytram: .newt?!
[03:20:16] <xlefay> input/output news :)
[03:20:12] <stderr> MrBluze_: How much is a .net domain?
[03:20:06] <MrBluze_> i wont be buying ionews cause i dont get it
[03:20:05] <bytram> stderr: try to also get: port119.newt 8)
[03:19:46] <Captain_coolbp> well I guess that's fair
[03:19:45] <MrBluze_> bought
[03:19:32] <xlefay> Thank you MrBluze_. I'll reimburse your cost in beer when you get here in may ;)
[03:19:31] <Captain_coolbp> MrBluze....
[03:19:15] <MrBluze_> ok i buy it
[03:19:11] <stderr> That's why I said port119.net
[03:19:09] <Captain_coolbp> anyone willing to buy port119 and release it to us without strings please step forward
[03:19:08] <xlefay> believe the .net was the one suggested
[03:19:01] <xlefay> bytram: so wait "New" wasn't part of the hint?
[03:19:00] <MrBluze_> .net is available
[03:18:53] <MrBluze_> port119.org is taken
[03:18:45] * bytram notices that Newtork really should be Network =)
[03:18:35] <MrBluze_> i have bought 4 already ffs
[03:18:30] <xlefay> I can't spare the change right now, sorry.
[03:18:30] <MrBluze_> please
[03:18:28] <MrBluze_> it doesnt go up for vote UNTIL someone buys it
[03:18:16] <xlefay> that's 5 votes guys
[03:18:16] <Captain_coolbp> we need to secure it BEFORE it goes to the poll vote
[03:18:14] <stderr> I would buy it, if I had any money... :-/
[03:18:01] <stderr> Looks like port119 should be added to the list?
[03:18:00] <MrBluze_> if someone buys port119 very happy to put it up
[03:17:59] <Captain_coolbp> port119++
[03:17:43] <paulej72> port119++
[03:17:38] <MrBluze_> to RoyCow - yes
[03:17:38] <xlefay> come on... daily bacon is probably as popular as a domain can be
[03:17:37] <stderr> bytram: Exactly!
[03:17:31] <bytram> port119++
[03:17:22] <bytram> stderr: Great point! fwiw: port 119 == Newtork News Transfer Protocol
[03:17:20] <xlefay> btw... I vote for that one to!
[03:17:17] <stderr> I doubt anyone could make any claims to any of those...
[03:17:15] <xlefay> port119++
[03:17:06] <stderr> "<robind> baconnews - 3, dailybacon - 3, ionews - 3, nerdcard - 4, geekcard - 6"
[03:17:06] <xlefay> s/in/on/
[03:16:42] <xlefay> Yes, RoyCow1306 is correct, we'll need to do our due diligence in this matter.
[03:16:05] <Captain_coolbp> <RoyCow1306> Just because a domain is available, doesn't mean there isn't some company out there willing to protect their trademark. Before committing to a choice, will there be some checking to see if some company will try to force SN to give it up?
[03:15:51] <bytram> back
[03:15:41] <stderr> xlefay: Thanks for reminding me of nntp... :-)
[03:15:32] <Captain_coolbp> <prospectacle> ionews++
[03:15:27] <stderr> port119++
[03:15:21] <stderr> BTW: I didn't see port119.net on the list? What happened to it?
[03:15:19] <MrBluze_> mattie_p: when u do the poll, list them in alphabetical order or truly random
[03:15:15] <bytram> brb
[03:15:06] * bytram yes, I get it!
[03:14:56] <Captain_coolbp> I'll scroll up
[03:14:48] <bytram> oh. nvm
[03:14:44] <Captain_coolbp> you are not opped sir
[03:14:41] <xlefay> bytram: you aren't opped.
[03:14:27] <bytram> Captain_coolbp: I saw nothing
[03:14:20] <xlefay> stderr: or better yet, let's just go nntp!
[03:14:14] <Captain_coolbp> it was a little hectic in there
[03:14:08] <Captain_coolbp> I didn't see anything
[03:14:07] <paulej72> you've go mail
[03:13:55] <xlefay> LOL stderr! :)
[03:13:50] <bytram> hmmm... just realized... what we post for stories is not really "new"s...
[03:13:50] <MrBluze_> damn, mod points
[03:13:50] <xlefay> _have_ they been saying anything? (note, only been op'd a little bit..)
[03:13:49] <stderr> xlefay: Missing option: All of the above... I know it doesn't make sense!
[03:13:40] <xlefay> Captain_coolbp: have you been paying attention to what people without voice have been saying?
[03:13:27] <Captain_coolbp> herding*
[03:13:22] <Captain_coolbp> lol sorry matt, we are a bunch of cats that need hording
[03:13:20] <xlefay> one actually.
[03:13:18] <MrBluze_> brainstorming is what this kind of thing is for
[03:13:14] <xlefay> matt_++ I'll give you kudos for that one.
[03:13:14] <MrBluze_> dont worry
[03:13:12] <MrBluze_> lol u never know until u try
[03:13:06] <matt_> withdrawn!!
[03:13:03] <matt_> yikes
[03:13:02] <MrBluze_> well that was easy
[03:13:01] <Captain_coolbp> soynews--
[03:13:00] <xlefay> soynews--
[03:12:58] <bytram> soynews--
[03:12:57] <stderr> soynews--
[03:12:54] <xlefay> Voted yet? http://soylentnews.org
[03:12:53] <Captain_coolbp> no
[03:12:52] <bytram> no
[03:12:52] <MrBluze_> make your karma on soynews
[03:12:50] <stderr> Nah!
[03:12:44] <MrBluze_> soynews.org - YES OR NO
[03:12:39] <MrBluze_> ok
[03:12:31] <xlefay> MrBluze_: that was meant for you. ;)
[03:12:19] <MrBluze_> but it becomes a bit abstracted from original meaning
[03:12:18] <Captain_coolbp> now would be a good time for that...
[03:12:05] <MrBluze_> if u buy soynews, we can put it up for vote
[03:11:52] <xlefay> .com owned, .org not.
[03:11:50] <matt_> soynews.org is available. yes or no?
[03:11:44] <MrBluze_> i have baconnews.net and .org
[03:11:36] <MrBluze_> well my.geekcard.org .. i thought makes more sense anyway
[03:11:35] <stderr> bytram: I only checked .org's, except for baconnews.net... BNN...
[03:11:18] <bytram> and, geekcards.com is also taken
[03:11:04] <MrBluze_> and it is better with .net because ncn
[03:10:56] <MrBluze_> nerdcard.net i have
[03:10:50] <bytram> yes, nerdcards.com was taken
[03:10:48] <MrBluze_> i think it was pretty obvious how people's preferences are falling
[03:10:35] <stderr> One of them was already taken AFAIR...
[03:10:13] <MrBluze_> we can go for nerdcards / geekcards if u want, but i didnt buy them
[03:10:07] <Captain_coolbp> okay so is everyone that is present okay with these going to vote?
[03:10:00] <mattie_p> in the meantime, if you have questions on my email, then sit on them until then
[03:09:57] <MrBluze_> xlefay: can u quickly check if dailybacon is owned?
[03:09:57] <bytram> stderr: maybe just a "card"iologist?
[03:09:50] <stderr> I wonder if he suggested nerdcard_s_ and geekcard_s_ too... :-)
[03:09:50] <Captain_coolbp> cool sir
[03:09:45] <mattie_p> Captain_coolbp, back in 30 minutes, we'll talk then
[03:09:43] <Captain_coolbp> oh stderr....
[03:09:32] <stderr> The person who suggested nerdcard and geekcard must be a genius...
[03:09:30] <MrBluze_> got one or two negatives xlefay
[03:09:19] <robind> haha
[03:09:12] <MrBluze_> only realized i bought nerdcard after i saw the receipt
[03:09:09] <xlefay> why has dailybacon so few hits?
[03:09:08] <mattie_p> I'll leave IRC poll up for a day or two then post this one, with a story
[03:09:01] <xlefay> hey guys
[03:08:59] <bytram> mattie_p: cya!
[03:08:58] <Captain_coolbp> Mattie_p did you want to finish your statement?
[03:08:56] <xlefay> thank you robind
[03:08:53] <MrBluze_> they are going up for vote.
[03:08:48] <mattie_p> got it
[03:08:42] <Captain_coolbp> leave
[03:08:40] <robind> baconnews - 3, dailybacon - 3, ionews - 3, nerdcard - 4, geekcard - 6
[03:08:39] <MrBluze_> (i accidentally bought nerdcard as i was trying to buy geekcard btw)
[03:08:37] <Captain_coolbp> Mattie_p needs to leace
[03:08:32] <Captain_coolbp> Okay can someone write that list down
[03:08:28] <MrBluze_> baconnews, dailybacon, nerdcard, geekcard, ionews
[03:08:13] <mattie_p> give us this day our daily bacon
[03:08:12] <MrBluze_> means 6 domains
[03:08:11] <xlefay> anyone mind reposting what I just said... way to much noise from Hedonismbot to get it straight
[03:08:09] <MrBluze_> 5 winners
[03:08:01] <robind> oh dailybacon
[03:07:54] <robind> baconnews, ionews, nerdcard, geekcard
[03:07:36] <xlefay> ok, all those I've mentioned have positive karma
[03:07:29] <xlefay> karma of ionews is 3
[03:07:23] <xlefay> !karma ionews
[03:07:19] <xlefay> !karma dupenews
[03:07:15] <xlefay> !karma forkbeta
[03:07:13] <xlefay> !karma forbeta
[03:07:08] <xlefay> !karma itarium
[03:07:05] <xlefay> !karma dvusweb
[03:07:02] <xlefay> karma of marketstreet is -2
[03:06:58] <xlefay> !karma marketstreet
[03:06:57] <MrBluze_> altslashdot.org is probably no good because of litigation risk
[03:06:55] <xlefay> !karma market-street
[03:06:52] <xlefay> karma of dailybacon is 3
[03:06:49] <matt_> not much, i'm guessing
[03:06:47] <xlefay> !karma dailybacon
[03:06:45] <xlefay> karma of geekcard is 6
[03:06:41] <xlefay> !karma geekcard
[03:06:38] <matt_> ...and altslashdot.org is available, for what it's worth.
[03:06:38] <xlefay> karma of nerdcard is 4
[03:06:37] <Captain_coolbp> matt_ thanks
[03:06:35] <xlefay> !karma nerdcard
[03:06:32] <xlefay> karma of baconnews is 3
[03:06:26] <mattie_p> excellent, that was what we had hoped
[03:06:26] <Captain_coolbp> matt_ agreed
[03:06:24] <xlefay> !karma baconnews
[03:06:17] <xlefay> !karma shiftnews
[03:06:12] <matt_> mattie_p: yep, soylentnews.org should be automatically included.
[03:06:12] <xlefay> !karma shiftdot
[03:06:09] <xlefay> !karma nodice
[03:06:05] <robind> baconnews--
[03:06:03] -!- mode/#staff [+o xlefay] by BaconTree
[03:06:03] <xlefay> .op
[03:06:03] <robind> actually
[03:06:02] <MrBluze_> yep, but every single one of these domains only wins if it is given free of strings etc, ie: all of my owned ones i am donating totally freely
[03:06:00] <robind> i'm done
[03:05:53] <Captain_coolbp> okay are we done voting?
[03:05:45] <robind> bummer
[03:05:39] <paulej72> coolculture--
[03:05:39] <xlefay> robind: no.. just !karma name..
[03:05:31] <robind> so xlefay do you have some cool way to show the status of all those things at once?
[03:05:31] <mattie_p> MrBluze_ I think that was the assumption, I belive matt_ is cool with that
[03:05:27] <Captain_coolbp> forkbeta--
[03:05:24] <matt_> dupenews--
[03:05:15] <Captain_coolbp> coolculture--
[03:05:14] <xlefay> coolculture* :)
[03:05:11] <xlefay> paulej72: check that one
[03:05:05] <paulej72> coolcultrue--
[03:04:58] <MrBluze_> repost: nodice (N), shiftdot (N), shiftnews (N), baconnews (Y), Nerdcard (Y), geekcard (Y), Dailybacon (Y), coolculture (N), market-street (N), dvusweb (N), itarium (N), forkbeta (N), dupenews (N), ionews (Y)
[03:04:54] <matt_> forkbeta--
[03:04:51] <matt_> itarium++
[03:04:50] <stderr> <paulej72> nercard++
[03:04:47] <matt_> dvusweb--
[03:04:44] <MrBluze_> soylentnews.org will be an automatically included entry - provided it is available no strings attached
[03:04:42] <xlefay> we can get the results when everyone's done ;)
[03:04:41] <stderr> paulej72: Watch out for typos...
[03:04:37] <matt_> market-street--
[03:04:35] <robind> nvm
[03:04:35] <robind> oh you took its voice
[03:04:34] <bytram> ionews--
[03:04:34] <xlefay> robind: no, I muted him. way to much noise
[03:04:31] <bytram> dailybacon--
[03:04:27] <paulej72> geekcard++
[03:04:26] <matt_> coolculture--
[03:04:26] <robind> hedonism bot stopped responding
[03:04:23] <bytram> forkbeta--
[03:04:21] * xlefay is fairly sure it's going to be baconnews or dailybacon.
[03:04:21] <paulej72> nerdcard++
[03:04:18] <Captain_coolbp> dvusweb--
[03:04:18] <MrBluze_> when u are all done, it appears we have less than 8 choices
[03:04:17] <bytram> dupenews--
[03:04:15] <matt_> geekcard--
[03:04:13] <paulej72> nercard++
[03:04:12] <Captain_coolbp> forkbeta--
[03:04:08] <paulej72> baconnews++
[03:04:08] <bytram> itarium--
[03:04:07] <stderr> bacon++ # :-)
[03:04:03] <matt_> baconnews--
[03:04:03] <bytram> dvusweb--
[03:04:02] <robind> since i only upvoted two things lol
[03:03:57] <bytram> market-street--
[03:03:56] <matt_> shiftnews--
[03:03:54] <paulej72> shiftnews--
[03:03:53] <bytram> coolculture--
[03:03:51] <Captain_coolbp> itarium++
[03:03:50] <robind> i'm not even going to bother downvoting things
[03:03:48] <bytram> baconnews--
[03:03:46] <paulej72> shiftdot--
[03:03:43] <xlefay> ionews++
[03:03:41] <bytram> basconnews--
[03:03:41] <xlefay> dupenews--
[03:03:35] <MrBluze_> repost: nodice (N), shiftdot (N), shiftnews (N), baconnews (Y), Nerdcard (Y), geekcard (Y), Dailybacon (Y), coolculture (N), market-street (N), dvusweb (N), itarium (N), forkbeta (N), dupenews (N), ionews (Y)
[03:03:35] <Captain_coolbp> repost
[03:03:35] <xlefay> forkbeta--
[03:03:35] <matt_> shiftdot--
[03:03:33] <xlefay> itarium--
[03:03:33] <bytram> shiftnews--
[03:03:32] <xlefay> dvusweb--
[03:03:28] <xlefay> marketstreet--
[03:03:28] <stderr> ionews--
[03:03:27] <bytram> nodice--
[03:03:26] <matt_> nodice--
[03:03:25] <stderr> dupenews++
[03:03:24] <Captain_coolbp> dupenews++
[03:03:23] <mattie_p> ionews++
[03:03:21] <bytram> shiftdot++
[03:03:20] <stderr> forkbeta--
[03:03:19] <mattie_p> dupenews--
[03:03:18] <robind> ionews++
[03:03:17] <mattie_p> forkbeta--
[03:03:16] <stderr> itarium--
[03:03:14] <mattie_p> itarium--
[03:03:12] <matt_> nerdcard--
[03:03:12] <Captain_coolbp> dailybacon++
[03:03:11] <stderr> dvusweb-- # What?!
[03:03:10] <mattie_p> dvusweb--
[03:03:10] <xlefay> we'll get the karma results later
[03:03:07] <mattie_p> marketstreet--
[03:03:06] -!- mode/#staff [-v Hedonismbot] by BaconTree
[03:03:05] <Hedonismbot> karma - geekcard: 6
[03:03:05] <robind> geekcard++
[03:03:02] <stderr> market-street--
[03:02:59] <Hedonismbot> karma - coolculture: -3
[03:02:59] <mattie_p> coolculture--
[03:02:59] <Hedonismbot> karma - ionews: 2
[03:02:59] <Captain_coolbp> ionews++
[03:02:58] <Hedonismbot> karma - coolculture: -2
[03:02:57] <stderr> coolculture--
[03:02:56] -!- mode/#staff [+q *!*@Soylent/Bot/Bender] by BaconTree
[03:02:54] <MrBluze_> repost: nodice (N), shiftdot (N), shiftnews (N), baconnews (Y), Nerdcard (Y), geekcard (Y), Dailybacon (Y), coolculture (N), market-street (N), dvusweb (N), itarium (N), forkbeta (N), dupenews (N), ionews (Y)
[03:02:54] <Hedonismbot> karma - geekcard: 5
[03:02:54] <Captain_coolbp> geekcard++
[03:02:54] <Hedonismbot> karma - dailybacon: 3
[03:02:54] <mattie_p> dailybacon++
[03:02:53] <Hedonismbot> karma - dailybacon: 2
[03:02:53] <stderr> dailybacon++
[03:02:50] <Hedonismbot> karma - geekcard: 4
[03:02:50] <xlefay> .quite Hedonismbot
[03:02:50] <mattie_p> geekcard++
[03:02:49] <Hedonismbot> karma - geekcard: 3
[03:02:49] <stderr> geekcard++
[03:02:49] <Hedonismbot> karma - coolculture: -1
[03:02:49] <xlefay> coolculture--
[03:02:47] <Hedonismbot> karma - nerdcard: 4
[03:02:47] <mattie_p> nerdcard++
[03:02:45] <Hedonismbot> karma - dailybacon: 1
[03:02:45] <xlefay> dailybacon++
[03:02:43] <Hedonismbot> karma - geekcard: 2
[03:02:43] <xlefay> geekcard++
[03:02:43] <Hedonismbot> karma - nerdcard: 3
[03:02:43] <stderr> nerdcard++
[03:02:43] <Hedonismbot> karma - nodice: -2
[03:02:43] <paulej72> nodice--
[03:02:42] <Hedonismbot> karma - ionews: 1
[03:02:42] <matt_> ionews++
[03:02:42] <Hedonismbot> karma - nerdcard: 2
[03:02:42] <xlefay> nerdcard++
[03:02:41] <Hedonismbot> karma - baconnews: 5
[03:02:41] <mattie_p> baconnews++
[03:02:40] <Hedonismbot> karma - baconnews: 4
[03:02:40] <stderr> baconnews++
[03:02:39] <Hedonismbot> karma - baconnews: 3
[03:02:39] <xlefay> baconnews++
[03:02:39] <Hedonismbot> karma - baconnews: 2
[03:02:39] <Captain_coolbp> baconnews++
[03:02:37] <Hedonismbot> karma - shiftnews: -4
[03:02:37] <mattie_p> shiftnews--
[03:02:36] <Hedonismbot> karma - shiftnews: -3
[03:02:36] <Hedonismbot> karma - geekcard: 1
[03:02:36] <xlefay> shiftnews--
[03:02:36] <bytram> geekcard++
[03:02:36] <Hedonismbot> karma - shiftnews: -2
[03:02:36] <stderr> shiftnews--
[03:02:35] <Hedonismbot> karma - shiftdot: -4
[03:02:35] <xlefay> shiftdot--
[03:02:34] <Hedonismbot> karma - shiftnews: -1
[03:02:34] <Hedonismbot> karma - shiftdot: -3
[03:02:34] <Captain_coolbp> shiftnews--
[03:02:34] <mattie_p> shiftdot--
[03:02:34] <Hedonismbot> karma - shiftdot: -2
[03:02:34] <stderr> shiftdot--
[03:02:30] <Hedonismbot> karma - nerdcard: 1
[03:02:30] <bytram> nerdcard++
[03:02:30] <Hedonismbot> karma - nodice: -1
[03:02:30] <xlefay> nodice--
[03:02:29] <Hedonismbot> karma - nodice: 0
[03:02:29] <stderr> nodice++
[03:02:26] <Hedonismbot> karma - nodice: -1
[03:02:26] <mattie_p> nodice--
[03:02:23] <xlefay> !nodice--
[03:02:16] <Hedonismbot> karma - shiftdot: -1
[03:02:16] <Captain_coolbp> shiftdot--
[03:02:15] <mattie_p> gotta leave in 10 minutes, make it quick, please.
[03:02:11] <MrBluze_> ok, the list is there, vote away .. each one give one vote per name please
[03:01:55] <Captain_coolbp> stderr: good plan
[03:01:55] <xlefay> Let's vote via Karma.. it does seem like the best way.
[03:01:46] -!- mode/#staff [+v Hedonismbot] by BaconTree
[03:01:46] -!- Hedonismbot [Hedonismbot!~Bender@Soylent/Bot/Bender] has joined #staff
[03:01:34] <MrBluze_> nodice (N), shiftdot (N), shiftnews (N), baconnews (Y), Nerdcard (Y), geekcard (Y), Dailybacon (Y), coolculture (N), market-street (N), dvusweb (N), itarium (N), forkbeta (N), dupenews (N), ionews (Y)
[03:01:31] <stderr> Can we vote using "domainname++" and "domainname--" ? (Some one check if they're 0 to begin with and only one vote per person)
[03:01:29] -!- mode/#staff [+v xlefay] by BaconTree
[03:01:25] -!- xlefay [xlefay!~xlefay@Soylent/Staff/IRC/xlefay] has joined #staff
[03:01:24] -!- xlefay [xlefay!~xlefay@Soylent/Staff/IRC/xlefay] has parted #staff
[03:01:13] <Captain_coolbp> Bluze: whenever you are ready
[03:00:52] -!- mode/#staff [-o audioguy] by BaconTree
[03:00:52] <xlefay> .deop audioguy
[03:00:42] <xlefay> I vote NO on all except bacon and cards.
[03:00:40] <Captain_coolbp> ALL PLEASE ONLY VOTE
[03:00:32] <xlefay> yes, let's recount
[03:00:31] <MrBluze_> doing
[03:00:27] <Captain_coolbp> RECOUNT CALLED
[03:00:25] <mattie_p> MrBluze_: please provide quick summary
[03:00:21] <Captain_coolbp> okay
[03:00:20] <Captain_coolbp> lol
[03:00:19] <robind> HANGING CHADS
[03:00:17] <MrBluze_> stderr: i am now going to give the full list and the answers ok?
[03:00:17] <robind> RECOUNT
[03:00:15] <Captain_coolbp> stderr they were crappy
[03:00:02] <stderr> MrBluze_: That still doesn't allow me to vote on the names you have already voted on...
[03:00:01] <robind> and the meta-aspect works as well
[03:00:00] <MrBluze_> but it was a positive suggestion makde by konomi
[02:59:58] <mattie_p> I thought all the ones on the list were available or had been promised?
[02:59:56] <robind> ionews is good. nice and short, still has a nerdy ring
[02:59:52] <MrBluze_> afaik not bought
[02:59:44] <bytram> try it. ok
[02:59:41] <xlefay> MrBluze_: you've got digest on.. most of us don't
[02:59:39] <MrBluze_> someone needs to buy ionews then
[02:59:32] <Captain_coolbp> yes
[02:59:30] <xlefay> actually, yes
[02:59:28] <MrBluze_> Digest Vol1 Issue 9
[02:59:20] <mattie_p> yes
[02:59:19] <robind> yes
[02:59:19] <paulej72> no
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[02:59:15] <xlefay> nah
[02:59:12] <MrBluze_> ionews.org - YES OR NO
[02:59:10] <mattie_p> sure
[02:59:10] <xlefay> nope haven't gotten that mail yet MrBluze_
[02:59:05] <MrBluze_> at the end of this first round, i will give a one-line summary - and u can disagree ok>
[02:58:47] <MrBluze_> newest
[02:58:45] <MrBluze_> stderr: u can see the full list in the mail .. 3rd one down from newers
[02:58:27] <MrBluze_> ok
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[02:58:23] <mattie_p> MrBluze_: no one else liked forkbeta, I change my vote to no on that
[02:58:20] <paulej72> no
[02:58:18] <xlefay> stderr: it was mentioned last I checked
[02:58:16] <stderr> As in: "me"... :-)
[02:58:07] <stderr> I meant... Would it be an idea to ask _staff_ to come to this channel... ?
[02:58:04] <Captain_coolbp> yes
[02:58:04] <mattie_p> yes
[02:57:58] <bytram> no
[02:57:57] <xlefay> fuck YES!!!!
[02:57:53] <MrBluze_> dailybacon.org
[02:57:49] <xlefay> really?
[02:57:44] <MrBluze_> stderr: if anyone says even one yes, it stays on
[02:57:40] <xlefay> but they can join if they like really
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[02:57:35] <Captain_coolbp> we are narrowing
[02:57:33] <xlefay> stderr: we're just making a short list not sure if the community is invited.
[02:57:30] <Captain_coolbp> stderr, most of them are unanimous
[02:57:17] <xlefay> no beta, nononononono!
[02:57:12] <xlefay> no
[02:57:11] <MrBluze_> forkbeta .. one yes?
[02:57:11] <stderr> Would it be an idea to ask people to come to this channel before the voting started or did I just miss the call?
[02:57:07] <bytram> forkbeta? no.
[02:57:06] <Captain_coolbp> no beta
[02:57:05] <robind> no
[02:57:01] <paulej72> no beta
[02:56:58] <xlefay> no
[02:56:57] <MrBluze_> yes, geekcard is very marketable
[02:56:57] <mattie_p> yes
[02:56:51] <robind> i could see that working pretty well
[02:56:48] <MrBluze_> forkbeta - YES OR NO
[02:56:45] <robind> geekcard is not bad
[02:56:37] <Captain_coolbp> and the "no"s take it again
[02:56:30] <bytram> no
[02:56:25] <mattie_p> no
[02:56:22] <paulej72> no
[02:56:20] <xlefay> no*
[02:56:19] <Captain_coolbp> yes
[02:56:19] <xlefay> nah
[02:56:16] <MrBluze_> dupenews - YES OR NO
[02:56:10] <bytram> recasting vote: no
[02:56:09] <Captain_coolbp> "no"s win it
[02:56:00] <xlefay> meh... way to dolfinarium like.
[02:55:57] <Captain_coolbp> correct
[02:55:57] <mattie_p> it was some sort of IT center or something, still vote no
[02:55:51] <bytram> ITarium (I think)
[02:55:47] <xlefay> no, screw it
[02:55:43] <mattie_p> NO
[02:55:43] <MrBluze_> no idea
[02:55:43] <paulej72> no
[02:55:40] <MrBluze_> itarium.org - YES OR NO
[02:55:39] <bytram> hmmm, intersting. okay
[02:55:38] <xlefay> Does it mean something?
[02:55:32] <xlefay> da what now?
[02:55:29] <Captain_coolbp> yes
[02:55:17] <MrBluze_> itarium,org
[02:55:13] <xlefay> oh bot's not here.
[02:55:13] <Captain_coolbp> geekcard.org is avail?
[02:55:11] <MrBluze_> okay
[02:55:10] <xlefay> !grab Captain_coolbp
[02:54:41] <Captain_coolbp> o!
[02:54:39] <mattie_p> yeah, no
[02:54:37] <xlefay> I'm saying o!
[02:54:37] <Captain_coolbp> so no
[02:54:33] <MrBluze_> which means kinda no
[02:54:30] <Captain_coolbp> rofl
[02:54:24] <MrBluze_> i dont get what dvusweb is meant to be
[02:54:23] <paulej72> what does that one mean
[02:54:23] <mattie_p> is that an acronym for something?
[02:54:21] <xlefay> Captain_coolbp: a yes or a o!
[02:54:21] <bytram> don't get it. no
[02:54:11] <Captain_coolbp> abstain
[02:54:06] <xlefay> o*
[02:54:02] <MrBluze_> YES OR O
[02:54:02] <xlefay> no
[02:54:00] <MrBluze_> dvusweb.com
[02:53:59] <mattie_p> MrBluze_ No
[02:53:59] <bytram> k
[02:53:58] <xlefay> ^ you guys
[02:53:58] <Captain_coolbp> echo
[02:53:53] <mattie_p> bytram: correct
[02:53:52] <Captain_coolbp> bytram yes
[02:53:51] <MrBluze_> yes, bytram
[02:53:48] <paulej72> no
[02:53:46] <bytram> no
[02:53:46] <xlefay> no
[02:53:46] <MrBluze_> YES OR NO
[02:53:45] <bytram> question: we are constructing the short list to present to the community, right?
[02:53:44] <MrBluze_> market-street.net
[02:53:39] <MrBluze_> its lame, too generic
[02:53:35] <MrBluze_> good, was a no from me too
[02:53:33] <xlefay> Sounds way to new-age for me.
[02:53:30] <paulej72> no
[02:53:25] <mattie_p> no
[02:53:24] <Captain_coolbp> meh
[02:53:23] <xlefay> No.
[02:53:20] <MrBluze_> Coolculture.net - YES OR NO
[02:53:17] <Captain_coolbp> even better
[02:53:15] <mattie_p> yes
[02:53:12] <paulej72> yes
[02:53:08] <xlefay> YES!
[02:53:08] <bytram> yes
[02:53:07] <Captain_coolbp> yes
[02:53:05] <xlefay> MrBluze_: you saved money tho right? ;)
[02:53:03] <MrBluze_> Geekcard - YES OR NO
[02:52:56] <MrBluze_> good cause i bought that already lol
[02:52:53] <paulej72> yes
[02:52:45] <xlefay> YES, YES, YES!
[02:52:45] <bytram> yes
[02:52:39] <Captain_coolbp> yes
[02:52:39] <xlefay> ok.. that sounded weird
[02:52:36] <MrBluze_> Nerdcard - YES OR NO
[02:52:36] <bytram> only if the bacon is made from flying pigs. ;^)
[02:52:32] <mattie_p> fuckvegans.org?
[02:52:31] <xlefay> nah, let's make it black on black
[02:52:31] <matt_> soynews.org
[02:52:23] <MrBluze_> and the color of vegan.baconnews can be green and brown
[02:52:15] <mattie_p> lol
[02:52:13] <robind> pfft
[02:52:13] <Captain_coolbp> haha
[02:52:09] <xlefay> vegan.baconnews.org
[02:52:09] <robind> oh well screw them
[02:52:08] <bytram> no
[02:52:05] <robind> what about our vegetarian readers
[02:52:01] <MrBluze_> ok it goes in
[02:52:00] * Captain_coolbp had a bacon beer today
[02:52:00] <mattie_p> sure
[02:51:54] <Captain_coolbp> yes
[02:51:53] <xlefay> HELL YES!*
[02:51:51] <xlefay> YES
[02:51:49] <MrBluze_> baconnews - YES OR NO
[02:51:49] <xlefay> newsbunch.org suggested yet?
[02:51:35] <Captain_coolbp> no
[02:51:31] <mattie_p> No
[02:51:28] <robind> any 4 letter domain is gonna be taken.
[02:51:26] <paulej72> no
[02:51:21] <xlefay> NO.
[02:51:20] <robind> rtfa is not available dude
[02:51:17] <MrBluze_> shiftdot.org - YES OR NO
[02:51:06] <xlefay> (mostly, as a reference to NC's posts that is)
[02:51:01] <MrBluze_> if it is, buy it and we put it up
[02:50:58] <xlefay> I suggested tl-dr.org but unavailable too :[
[02:50:51] <MrBluze_> afaik
[02:50:49] <xlefay> paulej72++
[02:50:47] <MrBluze_> not available
[02:50:42] <paulej72> I like rtfa.org
[02:50:37] <bytram> no
[02:50:35] <xlefay> Slam that no!
[02:50:30] <mattie_p> NO
[02:50:28] <xlefay> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[02:50:25] <MrBluze_> YES OR NO
[02:50:23] <MrBluze_> shiftnews.org
[02:50:18] <MrBluze_> vote no if u think it's definitely never
[02:50:12] <MrBluze_> yeah its just making a shortlist
[02:50:05] <xlefay> and baconnews
[02:50:02] <xlefay> oh and bangnews
[02:49:59] <xlefay> only geekcard will get a Yes from me.
[02:49:54] <MrBluze_> what we don't sall say no to, will be on the list to vote
[02:49:54] <xlefay> Honestly, MrBluze_
[02:49:45] <mattie_p> join in if you like
[02:49:44] <Captain_coolbp> ^^^^^^
[02:49:36] <mattie_p> matt_: we're proposing final names for the site per Barrabas's promise to elect a final name
[02:49:23] <MrBluze_> ... last call .. then it's the next name. this wont take long
[02:49:23] <paulej72> yes Captain_coolbp
[02:49:12] <Captain_coolbp> paulej72?
[02:49:07] <Captain_coolbp> haha
[02:49:05] <xlefay> NO.
[02:49:03] <xlefay> ooh
[02:48:57] <xlefay> worth a shot.
[02:48:53] <bytram> no
[02:48:51] <Captain_coolbp> no
[02:48:38] <mattie_p> No
[02:48:35] <xlefay> bytram: $100M or it didn't happen
[02:48:31] <Captain_coolbp> bytram: discussing names
[02:48:25] <MrBluze_> nodice.guru - YES or NO
[02:48:19] <mattie_p> names first
[02:48:19] <bytram> h all... whats up?
[02:48:17] <Captain_coolbp> Bluze you finish up
[02:48:07] <Captain_coolbp> can we do one at a time
[02:48:04] <MrBluze_> however if anyone disagrees with any of this, then it probably means someone might vote for it
[02:48:03] <Captain_coolbp> okay two conversations happing here that we shoul all be participating in
[02:47:42] <MrBluze_> i propse we drop nodice.guru, shiftdot.org, shiftnews.guru and forkbeta
[02:47:07] <mattie_p> anyway, feedback on my email. I know I wasn't as lengthy as NCommander, but hopefully it will help, so long as we agree it is needed
[02:46:47] <Captain_coolbp> the Captain is happy to oblidge
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[02:46:28] <paulej72> I was just joking at the time but it does help in the conversations
[02:46:26] <mattie_p> oh, I know
[02:46:16] <Captain_coolbp> it wasn't me who asked mattie
[02:45:32] <MrBluze_> yeah ok i might become Yxkickstor
[02:45:31] <paulej72> that why mrcollbp is drcollbp and martyr is bytram
[02:45:18] <mattie_p> bytram already did that, so did you, Captain_coolbp
[02:44:45] <paulej72> that all the m guys change their nicks to free letters
[02:44:44] <xlefay> like too many names starting with a m?
[02:44:44] <MrBluze_> On the topic of domain names: I need to drop a few: what do u think of nodice.guru, shiftdot.org, shiftnews.guru, and forkbeta
[02:44:40] <xlefay> I still don't get that one
[02:44:30] <mattie_p> paulej72: thanks. xlefay: "Too many 'm's'
[02:44:15] <xlefay> which request??
[02:44:10] <paulej72> so is MrBluze_
[02:44:09] <Captain_coolbp> ah, so bluze have you seen the wiki pages?
[02:44:02] <paulej72> yes mattie_p
[02:44:01] <xlefay> mattie_p: which request?
[02:43:49] <MrBluze_> im here
[02:43:44] <mattie_p> BTW, I'm guessing I'm exempt from paulej72's request?
[02:43:39] <Captain_coolbp> anyway while they are dicussing that, crap we lost bluze again...
[02:43:13] <Captain_coolbp> oh
[02:43:08] <xlefay> Captain_coolbp: it really depends on the client.. but /query technically only opens a window
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[02:42:55] <xlefay> mattie_p: I know
[02:42:49] <Captain_coolbp> really?
[02:42:48] <xlefay> that'll open the window
[02:42:46] <mattie_p> xlefay I think in the web client /msg opens a new tab though. web client is weird
[02:42:45] <xlefay> just /query xlefay
[02:42:42] <xlefay> no Captain_coolbp lol
[02:42:36] <Captain_coolbp> it should be query xlefay [anything]
[02:42:36] <MrBluze_> damn timeout
[02:42:20] <xlefay> no: /query xlefay
[02:42:17] <xlefay> mattie_p: I know that bug but I can't care to fix it since it's not in the config and I'm not dedicating time to find it and fix it in the code till the vote is done.
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[02:42:13] <mattie_p> type /msg xlefay and I think you get a new tab with him
[02:41:54] <mattie_p> might be there
[02:41:48] <mattie_p> weird bug we've had. xlefay doesn't have a tab then? check the left-most tab, the one with the server
[02:41:10] <mattie_p> xlefay: your 8 is showing again
[02:40:57] <matt_> titled "8"
[02:40:56] <mattie_p> ok
[02:40:50] <mattie_p> titled xlefay
[02:40:49] <matt_> got it!
[02:40:44] <mattie_p> there should be a new tab across the top then
[02:40:36] <matt_> webchat
[02:40:31] <mattie_p> matt_ are you using a client or the webchat?
[02:39:15] <matt_> xlefay: not sure...
[02:37:48] <mattie_p> right now you are the angel investor and saviour, but no day-to-day responsibilities
[02:37:22] <mattie_p> matt_ you're not on the chart, because honestly I'm not sure where you fit in yet
[02:37:14] <xlefay> matt_: you got that PM?
[02:36:58] <Captain_coolbp> yes this is the big organization step I've been working towards
[02:36:23] <mattie_p> basically some steps to preclude what happened today, happening again
[02:35:17] <mattie_p> once every staff member does their job anyway
[02:35:08] * Captain_coolbp re-skims the email
[02:35:05] <mattie_p> anyway, it doesn't really contradict what NCommander said, I think it fills in some gaps that we had in knowledge that will allow us to function better
[02:34:38] <mattie_p> excellent
[02:34:30] <matt_> got it!
[02:34:08] <Captain_coolbp> matt_ we can get you on later, for now, check your email = )
[02:33:25] <matt_> xlefay: sorry, no. mattie_p asked earlier today if I would like to be on the list, and I said yes, and I didn't realize I needed to subscribe.
[02:33:16] <mattie_p> matt_: just sent it
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[02:32:33] <xlefay> did you even subscribe?
[02:32:32] <mattie_p> and if you haven't already, sign up for the staff maililng list
[02:32:30] <xlefay> matt_: I didn't even get a request from you entering the mailing list...
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[02:32:22] <mattie_p> matt_ let me send directly to you
[02:32:09] <xlefay> uh... I have yet to read it to be honest.. I was planning on going to bed ages ago.. but things got in between again.. pain killers not working yet again, ugh life.
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[02:31:32] <matt_> don't think I got it.
[02:31:06] <mattie_p> I know I showed a draft around, just want to make sure its still clear as mud
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[02:30:54] <mattie_p> Has everyone seen the staff email I sent earlier? I'd like to get a feel for thoughts,
[02:30:38] <Captain_coolbp> Mattie_P you have the floor sir
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[02:30:22] <Captain_coolbp> yes he will
[02:30:10] <xlefay> RoyCow1306: will be most impressed when he reads back "All that staff discussion" haha
[02:30:00] <mattie_p> steak break? sounds awesome
[02:29:17] <Captain_coolbp> SKATE BREAK!
[02:28:52] <robind> SKATE BREAK
[02:28:33] <Captain_coolbp> robind rofl
[02:21:44] <robind> just wow.
[02:21:42] <robind> wow at this rollerblading ad from the 90s: http://www.youtube.com
[02:21:29] <FunPika> hi
[02:21:26] <Captain_coolbp> I kinda had a ball with the Wiki today
[02:21:18] <Captain_coolbp> hey funpika
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[02:20:59] <Captain_coolbp> nada mucho
[02:20:38] <mattie_p> hey, what's shaking, folks?
[02:15:44] <Captain_coolbp> you don't suck, you are just "learning"
[02:15:30] <Captain_coolbp> hahaha
[02:13:43] * robind sucks at rollerblading
[02:13:19] <robind> so i bought some rollerblades
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[02:09:44] <Captain_coolbp> .op
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[00:22:28] <xlefay> .op audioguy
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[00:22:25] <xlefay> .deop cmdr_paulej72
[00:21:38] * xlefay notes he's still playing that damned game
[00:21:29] <xlefay> > .deop
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[00:20:57] <cmdr_paulej72> .dopt