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[01:39:16] <paulej72> drcoolbp: yes I believe we are. can take days
[01:39:22] <xlefay> .set entrymsg This channel is logged: http://logs.sylnt.us
[01:39:59] <drcoolbp> paulej72 the only thing matt didn't hand us was the registrar credentials
[01:40:04] <xlefay> paulej72: in my experience more like a matter of hours tops.. then again I do have the advantage of having a hosting company but that really shouldn't matter.
[01:40:05] <drcoolbp> he handed everything else over though
[01:41:14] <paulej72> I have never done domain registrations so I am not familiar with the process
[01:41:38] <xlefay> registrations are pretty much instant.. updating can take a few hours tops though
[01:42:02] <xlefay> In my experience they're generally instantaneously, but never did that with a .org so..
[01:47:32] <MrBluze> Godaddy was slow when I did a transfer took nearly 24h
[01:47:40] <MrBluze> .org
[01:48:15] <MrBluze> But without clear info I am highly suspicious of this
[01:49:46] <FatPhil> NetSol ~36 hours .org
[01:50:34] <FatPhil> worst of all, while I was trying to move away from them, they had horrific banner ads saying "get your domains now at the special price of [more than I'd be paying at the place it was moving to]
[01:51:20] <MrBluze> Hmmm
[01:51:42] <MrBluze> I just have zero trust
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[02:22:04] <robind> evening gents
[02:22:09] <MrBluze> Hi
[02:22:18] <robind> i am now in 'evening' mode apparently
[02:23:50] <FrogBlast> Good evening.
[02:24:34] <martyb> hi al!
[02:25:21] <martyb> So's I leave y'a alone for one day and ... look what happens! How's everyone holding up?
[02:25:50] <robind> fantastic
[02:26:33] <martyb> robind: glad to "hear" it!!!!!!
[02:26:33] <robind> though I feel kind of bad that someone actually paid John but whatever
[02:27:27] <martyb> I hear ya. My take is the sooner that we can get all the kerfluffle behind us, the better.
[02:27:40] <martyb> if that's what it takes, well, so be it.
[02:27:59] <robind> my gf convinced me the whole thing was a con.
[02:28:16] <martyb> how so?
[02:28:40] <robind> that John's intentions from the beginning were to somehow squeeze a few dollars out of this at whatever cost
[02:29:17] <martyb> i dunno. that's a high price in reputation for very few $
[02:29:29] <robind> fake identity perhaps?
[02:29:54] <MrBluze> Fake passport? Lol
[02:30:03] <martyb> perhaps, but I don't have the time, nor the energy, to chase down such things....
[02:30:10] <robind> yeah me neither
[02:30:43] <martyb> otoh, what and how things are presented have certain, umm, "hallmarks" that clearly identify the writer.
[02:31:03] <martyb> textual analysis, I think it's called.
[02:31:06] <martyb> whatever.
[02:31:18] <MrBluze> Yep
[02:31:21] <martyb> Is there anything I can do to help out right now?
[02:31:29] <MrBluze> What school a guy went to etc
[02:31:49] * martyb notes he is currently reading ncommander's *long* e-mail.
[02:32:02] <MrBluze> If u have a name idea and own the domain then suggest it
[02:32:36] <martyb> atm, I don' t have anything apropos, but will ponder it.
[02:33:41] <martyb> MrBluze: pm?
[02:33:46] <MrBluze> Yep
[02:33:51] <MrBluze> Go
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[03:29:26] <Dopefish> so... what's going on?
[03:29:49] <Dopefish> I guess you could say I am surprised by the recent news, as I just found out after arriving home
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[03:31:11] <mattie_p> its, umm, surprising, to say the least
[03:31:34] <MrBluze> Hi Mattie, dopefish
[03:32:02] <mattie_p> I tell ya, you leave for 6 hours or so and the world changes
[03:32:08] <MrBluze> Last I heard the domain transfer to us has not yet finalised
[03:32:14] <mattie_p> I'm off duty right now
[03:32:21] <mattie_p> but that's what I heard too
[03:32:35] <mattie_p> paulej72 is the frontman until NCommander is back
[03:32:37] <MrBluze> So pressing ahead with a poll of names
[03:32:41] <mattie_p> yup
[03:32:42] <mattie_p> good idea
[03:32:43] <MrBluze> Yep
[03:32:45] <mattie_p> saw thge email
[03:33:13] <MrBluze> Choices are not perfect but they are real at least
[03:33:27] <Dopefish> yeah I'm a bit surprised at the whirlwind of changes
[03:33:29] <mattie_p> Looks like the domain name owner will be helpful though, so SN probably needs to be in the running
[03:33:34] <paulej72> I am trying to read all of Ncommander's email
[03:33:56] <MrBluze> Yep put it in thete
[03:34:14] <MrBluze> Might I suggest though
[03:34:43] <MrBluze> Make the proviso that if winner name is not feasible runner up gets it etc
[03:35:08] <MrBluze> Staff is also open to public now
[03:35:20] <MrBluze> This channel that is
[03:35:28] <Dopefish> oh...
[03:35:36] <Dopefish> so there is no private channel pretty much?
[03:35:49] <Dopefish> I suppose all those details will be fleshed out via email
[03:36:05] <MrBluze> Yeah watch this space etc
[03:36:09] <Dopefish> gotcha
[03:36:17] <MrBluze> That's just what I have learned
[03:36:28] <Dopefish> well I got to say... so much has changed that I'm not even sure where to begin lol
[03:36:41] <MrBluze> It's been a crisis and a half
[03:36:42] <Dopefish> so I'll just sit tight and assume "business as usual" as an editor
[03:36:57] <Dopefish> well don't be afraid to drop me a direct line via my email if anything comes up
[03:37:01] <mattie_p> right on
[03:37:15] <MrBluze> Mainly due to malicious sour grapes
[03:37:16] <Dopefish> I might not be an overlord now, but I damn well want to stay involved
[03:37:18] <Dopefish> oh shit
[03:37:30] <mattie_p> I have been in crisis management mode since 6am here, so I'm beat and off duty
[03:37:35] <mattie_p> ??
[03:37:44] <Dopefish> what?
[03:38:09] <Dopefish> no my expression of disdain was towards MrBluze reference to sour grapes
[03:38:17] <MrBluze> Yes me too. There are no Overlords we are all just doing whatever we can to help
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[03:39:04] <Dopefish> honestly... if you ask me... ever since NCommander took over, all the formal designations for overlords and what not became largely irrelevant. Whoever takes charge and helps out is considered a team member at this point
[03:39:07] <MrBluze> We just get on and sort this out quick as we can
[03:39:09] <mattie_p> Dopefish, you see NCommander's email? we're all firefighters now
[03:39:13] <Dopefish> yep
[03:39:18] <Dopefish> I read that sucker
[03:39:47] <Dopefish> makes sense and honestly... I just want to help out any way I can to put whatever fires we have out and begin anew
[03:42:37] <MrBluze> Yep I kind of argued for a flexible chain of command because everyone has things where they shine etc and problems are often asymmetrical
[03:45:43] <paulej72> I already have 380 emails in my SoylentNews folder
[03:45:52] <MrBluze> But the ics thing is good I think
[03:46:06] <paulej72> granted they are mostly bug reoprts
[03:46:06] <Dopefish> jesus
[03:46:50] <paulej72> not all new ones, but updates as well so it is not that bad
[03:47:34] <paulej72> I ddi sign up to monitor the bugs before I even had access to the alpha site.
[03:48:54] <mattie_p> you sure did
[03:49:04] * mattie_p highfives paulej72!
[03:49:10] <mattie_p> and I'm sure glad you did, too
[03:49:29] <paulej72> thanks
[03:49:36] <Dopefish> well I'm glad I still survivied the transition and wasn't cut :P
[03:50:23] <mattie_p> brb
[03:50:35] <mattie_p> well, we don't have that much staff we're firing people left and right
[03:51:05] <Dopefish> dang
[03:51:29] <MrBluze> Dopefish I don't know what happened but I am glad you are still here
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[03:54:06] <Dopefish> me too
[03:54:20] <MrBluze> This is an awesome project
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[04:10:25] <Landon> uh
[04:11:09] <mattie_p> uhh, what?
[04:11:20] <Landon> trying to comprehend #soylent
[04:11:32] <mattie_p> I'll go look
[04:11:46] <Landon> something something khyber something something ddos
[04:11:48] <Landon> I'm so lost
[04:13:04] <mattie_p> looks like an idle threat to me
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[04:40:27] <kobach> Landon: oh hes drunk and on about that again?
[04:41:11] <kobach> and guardian is back
[04:41:19] * kobach sigh im in no mood for this tonight
[04:43:22] <kobach> watch him, be ready with /os akill add Guardian452 !P flooder
[04:45:34] <kobach> .op
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[04:47:35] <kobach> hi pbnjoe
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[04:56:36] <MrBluze> I can't do ircop stuff from this phone to clumsy
[04:56:58] <MrBluze> Auto correct sucks
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[05:08:09] <kobach> rofl
[05:08:34] <kobach> cant you copy and paste?
[05:09:07] <kobach> /msg operserv akill add Guardian452 !p no
[05:09:11] <kobach> theres the full command
[05:09:15] <kobach> just copy and paste
[05:09:33] <kobach> i hope to fuck you dont need it
[05:17:35] <MrBluze> Trying to copy
[05:17:54] <kobach> well dont use it yet
[05:18:05] <kobach> try copying somthing else
[05:18:18] <kobach> in case you accidentaly hit enter,and provoke his wrath
[05:18:23] <kobach> hes somewhat behaving
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[05:19:05] <MrBluze> Ok
[05:19:13] <MrBluze> I wait
[05:21:32] <kobach> lol
[05:22:21] <mattie_p> sup folks
[05:22:29] <kobach> hi
[05:22:30] <mattie_p> just checking in to see what the latest is before I got to bed
[05:22:45] <mattie_p> anything else blow up yet?
[05:23:07] <kobach> nope
[05:23:12] <kobach> wish my bank account would
[05:23:29] <kobach> bankcon account
[05:23:33] <kobach> bacon++
[05:23:40] <kobach> shitass bot
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[05:25:41] <MrBluze> Hi Mattie no news
[05:25:43] <mattiep> I guess my internet
[05:25:49] <kobach> lol
[05:25:59] <mattiep> fan is chuggung away at something and making power surgers
[05:26:04] <mattiep> I don't like it
[05:26:11] <kobach> lol
[05:26:17] <mattiep> anyway, good to hear
[05:26:43] <MrBluze> Yeah just waiting
[05:26:51] <mattiep> I like it that way
[05:26:53] <MrBluze> I'm worried about the domain transfer
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[05:27:00] <MrBluze> But that's alll
[05:27:12] <mattiep> I'm a little concerned as well, but everything is copacetic so far
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[05:28:02] <kobach> ok drugs kicked in, afk sleep
[05:28:13] <MrBluze> Yep now it's just usual trolls etc
[05:28:20] <kobach> lol
[05:28:32] <mattie_p> we can deal with the trolls.
[05:28:40] <mattie_p> Any demands for more info or anything?
[05:29:05] <mattie_p> I'll probably scroll answers in the morning and post a few tidbits where appropriate
[05:29:31] <MrBluze> Nah just we need a new name as soon I supose
[05:30:20] <mattie_p> If we can narrow down the names we can post as soon as tomorrow
[05:30:46] <mattie_p> If we want to do a poll, then we have a limit of 8 names
[05:32:19] <mattie_p> anyway, I'm out again. Thanks for hanging in there today
[05:32:34] <mattie_p> see you tomorrow
[05:32:49] <MrBluze> No worries mate
[05:32:57] <MrBluze> 8 is reasonable
[05:33:09] <MrBluze> We just choose 8 as a short list
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[08:50:05] <janrinok> Hi guys - has the world imploded while I've been asleep?
[08:50:27] <MrBluze> No
[08:50:35] <janrinok> Well that's a relief
[08:50:43] <MrBluze> It's just the same grim uncertainty
[08:50:47] <janrinok> how are you this morning
[08:51:03] <MrBluze> Oh I'm good
[08:51:13] <janrinok> That's good to hear.
[08:51:35] <MrBluze> The situation is we don't know if the domain has transferred yet
[08:51:57] <MrBluze> And given the bs so far I am distrustful
[08:51:59] <janrinok> I'm afraid that I'm not surprised
[08:52:20] <janrinok> I have sent an email - you might have seen it, although it was incorrectly titled.
[08:52:44] <MrBluze> So we are pressing ahead with the name change
[08:52:47] <MrBluze> Oh?
[08:53:09] <MrBluze> Haven't checked email in a few hours
[08:53:15] <janrinok> I sent it to the list, but it is title Manifesto or somesuch. It is actually about the current situation.
[08:53:21] <janrinok> titled*
[08:53:52] <MrBluze> Okay
[08:54:02] <MrBluze> This situation is always changing
[08:54:19] <MrBluze> But in all honesty I think nc is in the right, well and truly
[08:54:25] <janrinok> Yes, you are correct - its about what I think is the current situation... ;)
[08:54:35] <janrinok> Oh, no doubt about that
[08:54:56] <janrinok> But B has just successfully extorted a nice profit out of us.
[08:55:47] <MrBluze> Yep
[08:56:07] <MrBluze> I won't comment on him here
[08:56:18] <MrBluze> Brb
[08:58:13] <MrBluze> We have to secure the future of this project urgently
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[09:00:32] <MrBluze> I hope that's what people will work on
[09:01:08] <MrBluze> Brb
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[09:45:36] <NCommander> who's alive?
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[09:51:02] <MrBluze> Ok
[09:51:38] <MrBluze> Ncommander are u identified?
[09:51:49] <MrBluze> Can you please become op?
[09:53:06] <NCommander> .op
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[09:53:14] <MrBluze> Ok eaiy
[09:53:17] <MrBluze> Wait
[09:53:45] <MrBluze> thanks
[09:53:45] * NCommander is going out in a bit
[09:53:56] <NCommander> This affair been exhausting, and I need some time away from Soylent
[09:54:03] <NCommander> Just wanted to see who was around
[09:55:39] <MrBluze> Understood
[09:56:16] <NCommander> I feel like shit
[09:57:28] <MrBluze> That is well understood
[09:57:33] <MrBluze> But u have done well
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[14:48:23] <ncommander> *in
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[14:48:44] <Cactus> Mornin'.
[14:55:02] * kobach slaps #staff
[14:55:47] <Cactus> Shh. It's nappy tiem.
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[16:09:44] <drcoolbp> I have a volunteer offering help with db migration in case we have to change the name
[16:10:46] <kobach> ok
[16:11:44] <drcoolbp> question is would that be useful?
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[16:18:21] <FatPhil> what db migration? there'll be no db migration.
[16:19:25] <drcoolbp> uh
[16:19:58] <drcoolbp> okay new question: does anyone know of any need for db help?
[16:20:05] <martyb> FatPhil: I think it's in reference to do a site name change if that is voted on by the community.
[16:20:36] <drcoolbp> ^^
[16:20:53] <FatPhil> the site name is encoded in a few trivial, and thus trivially changed, mysql scripts, that's all
[16:21:27] <FatPhil> The db doesn't know or care what the name of the site is, that's at a different layer
[16:22:31] <drcoolbp> okay, anywhere else on the site we might make use of a "db" volunteer?
[16:23:06] <FatPhil> Well, it's good to have a pool of competent db guys. I don't know how many we have.
[16:23:18] <drcoolbp> okay
[16:23:27] <FatPhil> I ought to get myself embedded with them, that's one of the things I can do.
[16:23:43] <FatPhil> Is this new volunteer more at the sql level, or the dba level?
[16:24:14] <drcoolbp> "not an expert in mysql per se (more oracle and mssql)"
[16:24:27] <martyb> FatPhil: according to NCommander there are places hardcoded in the DB, too. idk.
[16:24:44] <FatPhil> martyb: yes, but that's data, not structure.
[16:24:49] <FatPhil> data's trivial to change
[16:25:00] <FatPhil> (sometimes too easy)
[16:25:29] <martyb> agreed it's trivial to change, not so trivial to be sure we got *all* the places that *needed* changing.
[16:26:02] <FatPhil> As long as everything came from the git-controlled scripts, then you can be sure it's all of them.
[16:26:21] <FatPhil> If someone's been adding data to those tables without having it scripted, then there will be trouble.
[16:26:37] <drcoolbp> FatPhil: whom do you wish to become "embedded" with?
[16:27:17] <drcoolbp> the "db" team?
[16:27:27] <FatPhil> The guys maintaining the sql scripts in the repo. I've seen NCommander's name in the git log, for example.
[16:28:15] <FatPhil> that would be a sensible name for such a team, yes
[16:30:57] <drcoolbp> FatPhil: as I understand it a strike-team will be created if we need to do some serious db work
[16:31:06] <drcoolbp> you are on the mailing list?
[16:31:51] <drcoolbp> otherwise you'd be in the permanent dev team somewhere
[16:33:38] <martyb> hey all, need to check out for a bit. later!
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[16:35:08] <FatPhil> drcoolbp: I'm on the staff mailing list, yes
[16:35:43] <robind> wow very nice that that linode credit transfer worked out
[16:35:54] <drcoolbp> you verified already robin?
[16:36:04] <robind> just got an invoice from linode
[16:36:20] <drcoolbp> FatPhil: send out an email addressed to dev, or talk to people like robin to get set up ther
[16:36:29] <drcoolbp> robind: cool!
[16:36:35] <drcoolbp> They are pretty awesome
[16:36:42] <robind> yeah for sure
[16:36:51] <robind> no good reason not to do a credit transfer anyway
[16:36:57] <robind> other than to be jerks
[16:37:02] <drcoolbp> I called them up and chatted with them they were very helpful
[16:37:07] <robind> cool
[16:37:22] <drcoolbp> well mark that off the old to-do
[16:37:28] * drcoolbp check his to do list
[16:38:22] <drcoolbp> have you guys seen the wiki to do list?
[16:38:33] <robind> not recently
[16:38:40] <drcoolbp> http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[16:39:53] <drcoolbp> robind: we need to organize what needs to be done, and what skills we need, I'm gonna send out an email today about that
[16:41:49] <janrinok> Some of the guys on #Soylent are saying they have lost the site in the last few minutes. Anyone doing any switching?
[16:42:09] <janrinok> I've still got it.
[16:42:19] <drcoolbp> awe the wiki is down too
[16:42:37] <drcoolbp> all we did is migrate the SVC linode to Ncommander's account
[16:42:45] <drcoolbp> it wasn't supposed to be in use
[16:42:58] <drcoolbp> robind: You are the incident commander
[16:43:02] <drcoolbp> I appoint you
[16:43:06] <robind> uhoh
[16:43:06] <Cactus> lol
[16:43:10] <drcoolbp> haha
[16:43:16] <drcoolbp> robind: site is down?
[16:43:21] <robind> looks like dns
[16:43:24] <robind> err
[16:43:29] <robind> actually maybe not
[16:43:31] <robind> something is up though
[16:43:37] <janrinok> Its up for me, but others have lost it.
[16:43:43] <drcoolbp> down for me
[16:43:47] <drcoolbp> wiki also
[16:43:54] <janrinok> DNS problem?
[16:44:17] <robind> you know I can't really do anything becuase I don't have ssh anymore
[16:44:43] <drcoolbp> we need to distribute these priveledges
[16:44:51] <robind> yeah they were
[16:45:06] <robind> I think ncommander revoked it during the last few days because of all the upheaval
[16:45:21] <drcoolbp> well now NCommander is in bed
[16:45:23] <drcoolbp> shit
[16:45:39] <drcoolbp> is mattie_p around?
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[16:46:40] <drcoolbp> martyb the site is down, don't panic
[16:46:46] <drcoolbp> = )
[16:46:55] <janrinok> The linode url still works for everybody
[16:47:04] <drcoolbp> excellent
[16:47:27] <robind> i can't get through on the linode url lol
[16:47:43] <drcoolbp> http://li694-22.members.linode.com
[16:47:46] <martyb> what's the linode url again?
[16:47:50] <martyb> go it
[16:48:06] <robind> hell I can't even login to linode
[16:48:19] <drcoolbp> weird...
[16:48:24] <robind> wait there it goes
[16:48:29] <robind> something up with my connection maybe
[16:48:32] <drcoolbp> on NCommander's account?
[16:48:36] <robind> yeah I got it
[16:48:50] <robind> ah
[16:48:51] <robind> OOM
[16:48:53] <robind> rebooting...
[16:49:06] <janrinok> I'm losing it now. It was alright while in local cache. Linode works OK.
[16:49:28] <drcoolbp> janrinok, robin is working on it
[16:49:37] <martyb> linode works for me... dig of soylentnews.org came up empty, ditto dev.soylentnews.org and wiki.soylentnews.org
[16:49:55] <janrinok> And the soylentnews url works again for me.
[16:50:00] <robind> guess we need to bump our physical memory
[16:50:09] <martyb> do we have a list of *all* the domain names we use somewhere?
[16:50:44] <drcoolbp> martyb, the topic in #soylent has some
[16:50:51] <drcoolbp> they are the short ones
[16:51:14] <drcoolbp> robind: can you do that?
[16:51:19] <drcoolbp> you have credit now = )
[16:51:34] <robind> yeah but I can't even login to the machine so doesn't do a whole lot of good
[16:51:36] <robind> this is a problem
[16:51:41] <robind> we need to call someone that has access
[16:51:46] <robind> probably ncommander is the only option
[16:51:54] <janrinok> People are getting 503s
[16:51:58] <robind> yep
[16:52:03] <martyb> yes, *some*... I'm looking for a *complete* list. Every. Single. One. sylnt.us, wiki, dev, linode, you name it.
[16:52:06] <robind> I can't do anything because ssh access was revoked
[16:52:08] <robind> so
[16:52:10] <martyb> got a 503 on sn.org
[16:52:12] <robind> yep
[16:52:41] <drcoolbp> robind can you call Ncommander?
[16:52:45] <martyb> ot a guru meditation: "Varnish cache server" on SN.org
[16:52:49] <robind> if I had his number :)
[16:52:56] <drcoolbp> aye
[16:53:02] <martyb> I think mattie_p has it.
[16:53:07] <drcoolbp> I knew I should have got some phone numbers
[16:53:46] <drcoolbp> robind, what about the SVC linode?
[16:53:51] <drcoolbp> the IP should be the same
[16:53:52] <robind> yeah I can get into that
[16:53:56] <robind> it's not the same ip
[16:54:06] <drcoolbp> (same as it was) can we access that?
[16:54:14] <robind> yep
[16:54:24] <drcoolbp> is that a function ver. of the site?
[16:54:30] <drcoolbp> can we direct people there for now?
[16:54:31] <robind> no
[16:54:33] <drcoolbp> oh
[16:54:42] <robind> soylent-services just hosts wiki/forums/mail and stuff
[16:55:04] <drcoolbp> and they are all down
[16:55:07] <robind> yeah well I'm pretty powerless considering my creds were removed
[16:55:10] <drcoolbp> Should I call linode?
[16:55:16] <robind> no they won't be able to help us
[16:55:19] <drcoolbp> not sure why he removed them
[16:55:29] <robind> me neither
[16:56:16] <robind> looks like I no longer have sudo on services anyway
[16:56:19] <robind> sooo I can't do anything
[16:56:21] <janrinok> I'm sure it's about time somebody blamed me for this...
[16:56:21] <robind> i've been crippled
[16:56:35] <drcoolbp> audioguy is new incident commander
[16:56:48] <robind> I doubt anyone but ncommander can actually do anything
[16:56:50] * Cactus points at Jan
[16:56:53] <robind> since he took everyone elses creds away
[16:57:23] <drcoolbp> he said he has ssh
[16:57:31] <audioguy> Id o not have access to EVERYTHING
[16:57:37] <audioguy> I do not.
[16:57:51] <robind> yeah so the sooner we wake michael from his slumber the better
[16:57:59] <drcoolbp> I pmed him
[16:58:02] <robind> yeah me too
[16:58:04] <drcoolbp> not sure what else we can do
[16:58:06] <audioguy> But this is BS, all of dev should have access to all machines, for exactly this reason.
[16:58:07] <robind> that's not gonna go anywhere probably
[16:58:14] <drcoolbp> audioguy agreed
[16:58:16] <martyb> drcoolbp: send an e-mail to staff?
[16:58:19] <drcoolbp> for now anything we can do?
[16:58:20] <robind> audioguy, I think he removed it because of all the shit that happened yesterday
[16:58:21] <audioguy> I am presently logged in to slashcott.
[16:58:29] <drcoolbp> audioguy we need the main
[16:59:00] <audioguy> Obviously. Have no access to it, so am not suitable incident resolver...sorry.
[16:59:08] <drcoolbp> ah crap
[16:59:09] <robind> yeah no one has access to it
[16:59:12] <robind> as i've said several times
[16:59:18] <drcoolbp> i know sorry I was hoping
[16:59:23] <drcoolbp> he said he "had ssh"
[16:59:24] <audioguy> Ok, robin. I hear you.
[16:59:38] <drcoolbp> so nothing we can do right now?
[16:59:46] <robind> aside from make a phone call
[17:00:04] <drcoolbp> no one has NCommanders phone number
[17:00:06] <audioguy> paulej should be up soon but I don't think he has access to ther main site either.
[17:00:24] <robind> lol fantastic
[17:00:32] * drcoolbp holds breath
[17:00:35] <audioguy> Could this be a dns problerm?
[17:00:43] <robind> i don't think so
[17:00:48] <martyb> drcoolbp: can he be reached through his office at work?
[17:00:49] <robind> i can see the ip of the linode vm
[17:00:52] <robind> it is correct
[17:01:05] <drcoolbp> martyb: no idea
[17:01:06] <audioguy> Slashcott is still up.
[17:01:17] <audioguy> I can post a message there, it is still open.
[17:01:35] <drcoolbp> that site doesn't get a lot of public traffic
[17:01:40] * martyb is doing a search on the web ... cross fingers..
[17:01:42] <drcoolbp> can't hurt though
[17:01:59] <janrinok> I'm about as much use as a chocolate kettle - I'm going to make a meal.
[17:02:14] <FatPhil> dig returns nothing
[17:02:23] <Cactus> I dunno. Keeping people entertained in #Soylent is useful.
[17:02:28] <janrinok> lol
[17:02:31] <drcoolbp> I'll do that
[17:02:36] <drcoolbp> mention my name if you need me
[17:02:58] <FatPhil> if dig returns nothign, that's usually a DNS issue
[17:03:21] <FatPhil> ;; Got answer:
[17:03:21] <FatPhil> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 53560
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[17:04:37] <audioguy> Dig says this i a server fail
[17:04:48] <robind> well that may be
[17:04:52] <robind> but here's the direct ip
[17:04:52] <robind>
[17:04:55] <robind> you can see it's a 503
[17:05:17] <FatPhil> so there are layers of problems
[17:05:23] <audioguy> ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 54071
[17:05:23] <audioguy> ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1
[17:05:54] <FatPhil> quite possibly related, of course
[17:06:25] <audioguy> address above responds to ping...
[17:06:38] <FatPhil> responts to GET too
[17:06:45] <FatPhil> just with a 503!
[17:07:03] <martyb> ey! he mentioned he was with a fire dept... henrietta something something.... they must have his phone #
[17:07:08] <audioguy> I get a ssh prompt...
[17:07:29] <martyb> think it's somewhere in NY.
[17:07:54] <drcoolbp> that was a while I think
[17:07:57] <FatPhil> But isn't mattie_p in command?
[17:08:02] <drcoolbp> he's not here
[17:08:05] <drcoolbp> not responding
[17:08:25] <drcoolbp> robind or audioguy is in command, whoever is more qualified
[17:08:36] <drcoolbp> neither have access thoughn
[17:08:53] <Cactus> Call in a missing persons report! if mattie_p isn't responding in irc, something is very wrong!
[17:08:57] <audioguy> server responds to a get with a directory listing of everything.
[17:09:18] <audioguy> We are both qualified but stymied...
[17:09:33] <martyb> drcoolbp: look at: http://www.hvfd.us (Henrietta Fire Dept; phone: 615-307-9210)
[17:10:16] <audioguy> Has anyone sent an email to staff list about this?
[17:10:24] <drcoolbp> no I will do that now....
[17:10:32] <robind> lol
[17:10:38] <drcoolbp> martyb: remember this is a public channel
[17:10:41] <robind> i doubt they're going to just give us his number
[17:10:49] <audioguy> Make the subject: All servers down, no one asvailable with access, need help
[17:10:55] * martyb takes comment to heart
[17:10:57] <drcoolbp> and he's not listed on the volunteers anyway
[17:11:01] <audioguy> with better spelling ;-)
[17:11:03] <drcoolbp> audioguy roger wilco
[17:11:15] <drcoolbp> = will comply
[17:11:43] <audioguy> I wonder if NCommander is possibly in the middle of a transfer?
[17:11:54] <audioguy> Wsn't that supposed to happen today?
[17:12:02] * martyb notes the url and number was for the wrong state :(
[17:12:10] <robind> whattya mean like travelling?
[17:13:01] <Cactus> I don't know that NComm is STILL a firefighter. I mean, maybe he is. I have no idea.
[17:13:11] <drcoolbp> email sent
[17:13:33] <audioguy> Thanks, that is our best hope for the moment
[17:13:50] <audioguy> Subject should grab attention. ;-)
[17:13:52] * martyb suspects that even if that is no longer the case, there's likely someone there who has contact info from before.
[17:14:09] <drcoolbp> audioguy I transfered the MattAngel account TO him
[17:14:21] <drcoolbp> shouldn't have affected production server but it appears it did
[17:14:36] <drcoolbp> I transfered the svc linode to his account
[17:14:41] <drcoolbp> that was about an hour ago
[17:14:58] <audioguy> Very odd that I get a directory listing for a GET on the root apache folder.
[17:15:08] <audioguy> That should never happen.
[17:16:05] <audioguy> Actually on the root folder PERIOD. Hacker city...
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[17:16:37] <robind> haha this is cracking me up
[17:16:38] <robind> http://what-if.xkcd.com
[17:17:05] <audioguy> Oops, just realized I made a mistake in the call, ignore all that ;-)
[17:17:57] <audioguy> It's just closing the connection.
[17:18:30] <audioguy> ls
[17:18:43] <robind> so was the dns just always managed on linode?
[17:18:48] <robind> or is there some other dns server?
[17:19:09] <audioguy> I believe always on linode.
[17:19:46] <drcoolbp> domain, were we bushwacked?
[17:20:16] <martyb> robind: I tried the last IPv4 *address* I had for SN... got the same 503 error.
[17:20:32] <audioguy> OK, have a look at whois:
[17:20:39] <audioguy> whois soylentnews.org
[17:21:12] <drcoolbp> matt_ we need ssh to the production servers
[17:21:15] <FatPhil> yeah, not getting anything from a netcat
[17:21:16] <audioguy> Registrant Name:Peter Walsh
[17:21:19] <drcoolbp> we think only NCommander has that
[17:21:33] <drcoolbp> matt_ did the domain transfer go through?
[17:21:34] <audioguy> Registrant Email:Gandi.9.OkianWarrior@SpamGourmet.com
[17:21:39] <audioguy> ^^^^^^
[17:22:05] <martyb> audioguy: I have more info... pm me.
[17:22:06] <robind> that's barrabas
[17:22:07] <mattie_p> I'm back everyone, settle down, please
[17:22:14] <audioguy> Prety weird, huh?
[17:22:18] <FatPhil> registrant is a red herring, that's a contact for a registration middleman company
[17:22:19] <robind> mattie_p tell me you have NCommander's phone number
[17:22:25] <mattie_p> no, I do not
[17:22:29] <robind> bummer
[17:22:32] <audioguy> spamgourmet?
[17:22:33] <FatPhil> or the root password?
[17:22:33] <robind> well we're just boned then
[17:22:38] <mattie_p> I have Barrabas's if you need that one, though?? :p
[17:22:41] <drcoolbp> no
[17:22:48] * drcoolbp sighs
[17:22:51] <robind> maybe Barrabas has ncommander's number
[17:22:53] <mattie_p> why are we boned?
[17:22:56] <mattie_p> what is going on
[17:22:59] <drcoolbp> ALL sites are down
[17:23:03] <robind> because the only person with ssh access to soylent-www is ncommander
[17:23:08] <drcoolbp> everything
[17:23:09] <robind> he revoked everyone elses credentials
[17:23:18] <mattie_p> robind he does, but it doesn't work while he's in malaysia
[17:23:31] <audioguy> We are boned because there is no one here who has actual access to the servers to fix them, includung at least two people in dev
[17:23:39] <audioguy> Fucking moronic policy
[17:23:46] <FatPhil> Who was OkianWarrior? I once communicated with him by mail on his request, but he never replied. Is he Barabbas?
[17:23:49] <robind> yep
[17:23:54] <drcoolbp> yeah he should have reinstated privs...
[17:24:00] <robind> okianwarrior == barrabas
[17:24:14] <robind> anyways I have to do my job job
[17:24:18] <FatPhil> tx.
[17:24:21] <audioguy> a t spamgourmet? Is he a spammer?
[17:24:21] <robind> so if someone can actually get ahold of him let me know
[17:24:24] <mattie_p> fuck me anyway
[17:24:32] <drcoolbp> robind how will we let you know?
[17:24:41] <robind> i'll be on irc
[17:24:44] <robind> mention my name
[17:24:46] <audioguy> MAttie - an email was sent to stff list, perhaps oput best hope.
[17:24:48] <drcoolbp> okay go do your work sir
[17:24:49] <robind> or email me if you're desperate
[17:24:59] <drcoolbp> okay
[17:24:59] <robind> email goes to my phone so it can get me anywhere
[17:25:01] <mattie_p> even linode link is down
[17:25:05] <drcoolbp> yup
[17:25:07] * martyb suggests doing a whois on the IPv4 addy for different contact info.
[17:25:12] <robind> yeah I think there's some sort of dns issue
[17:25:15] <robind> I don't get what that's about
[17:25:21] <robind> but also soylent-www was OOM
[17:25:30] <robind> so, being unable to login to it, I just gave it a reboot
[17:25:33] <FatPhil> Is NCommander's ubuntu address on the mailing list, or that other weird gmail one?
[17:25:34] <robind> and now it's 503
[17:25:35] <drcoolbp> oom= out of memory
[17:25:55] <drcoolbp> FatPhil I can't remember
[17:25:55] <mattie_p> ubuntu address == his gmail anyway
[17:25:59] <drcoolbp> ah
[17:26:01] <martyb> robind: can linode hard reboot the server for us? would that help?
[17:26:06] <drcoolbp> he's asleep though
[17:26:14] <robind> martyb: that's what I'm saying, already went down that path
[17:26:18] <robind> it came up in 503 mode
[17:26:20] <audioguy> yes they could
[17:26:21] <mattie_p> is mechanicjay around?
[17:26:24] <drcoolbp> no
[17:26:29] <martyb> robind: blegh.
[17:26:44] <audioguy> Ah, robind good.
[17:26:59] <FatPhil> how do you have permissions to reboot, but not permissions to do harmless things?
[17:27:05] <mattie_p> ^^
[17:27:08] <drcoolbp> he doesn't have SSH
[17:27:17] <audioguy> Becasue of stupic decisions.
[17:27:41] <audioguy> Idiotic policy
[17:27:56] <drcoolbp> audioguy relax man
[17:27:57] <mattie_p> wow
[17:28:06] <drcoolbp> I know it's tough right now but there's nothing we can do
[17:28:11] <audioguy> ssh is working we do not have the password.
[17:28:15] <mattie_p> ok, effective immediately, I am going to be the password repository
[17:28:16] <FatPhil> xlefay: make chan private?
[17:28:25] <mattie_p> I'll need all passwords
[17:28:26] <martyb> ^^^^
[17:28:28] <FatPhil> the public don't need to see this
[17:28:29] <mattie_p> I am not going to use any password
[17:28:34] <drcoolbp> mattie_p: I'll forward you the stuff from yesterday sir.
[17:28:39] <audioguy> I am just answering the question. not upset. ;-)
[17:28:40] <drcoolbp> not a whole lot ther
[17:28:41] <mattie_p> drcoolbp please
[17:29:06] <drcoolbp> audioguy: remember this is a public channel now, just sayin'
[17:29:08] <FatPhil> we're all frustrated, that can be taken as a given
[17:29:09] <mattie_p> I will not use the passwords, because I don't trust myself not to break something
[17:29:19] <mattie_p> but I"ll keep them for emergencies
[17:29:30] <mattie_p> wish I had thought of this yesterday
[17:29:35] <drcoolbp> mattie_p email sent (it's a truecrypt) but there's not too much in there
[17:29:39] <mattie_p> I have TC
[17:29:47] <audioguy> We should move to somehwhere else.
[17:30:02] <mattie_p> audioguy: any particular reason why?
[17:30:10] <mattie_p> this is a crisis again...
[17:30:16] <mattie_p> fucking jinxed us this am
[17:30:32] <mattie_p> I said we were between crisises ... blame me if you need to
[17:30:39] <drcoolbp> lol
[17:31:13] <drcoolbp> mattie_p not sure if it had anything to do with it, but it happened after I transfered the svc linode over to NCommanders account (as per his request)
[17:31:15] <audioguy> This is not a crisis. Just dumbness.
[17:31:32] <mattie_p> when did the site go down?
[17:31:39] <drcoolbp> about an hour ago
[17:31:43] <FatPhil> non-availability leads to crisis very quickly
[17:31:51] <mattie_p> it can
[17:31:58] <drcoolbp> we need priv duplicatoin
[17:32:02] <mattie_p> which is why I need to get all passwords we do have ASAP
[17:32:40] <drcoolbp> no
[17:32:44] <drcoolbp> I don't think so
[17:33:00] <mattie_p> we can keep them in TC files with other staff with the keys
[17:33:06] <drcoolbp> yes
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[17:33:20] <drcoolbp> we should have thought of that yesterday but we all had a long day
[17:33:20] <mattie_p> hang on, I have Barrabas
[17:33:21] <audioguy> Why move matty? Because we are talking about passwords and sooner or later someone is going to forget this is an open channel.
[17:33:23] <mattie_p> on the phone
[17:33:33] <drcoolbp> oh wowo
[17:33:44] <FatPhil> but the passwords were changed post handover?!?
[17:34:01] <drcoolbp> which passwords FatPhil?
[17:34:06] <drcoolbp> some of them were changed
[17:34:17] <drcoolbp> most I believe
[17:34:50] <FatPhil> probably ones related to the domain, and therefore to do with DNS. So only addressing one layer of this current issue, alas
[17:35:16] <FatPhil> There was not a reason to do anything with ssh passwords, as NC was already in full control of those nodes
[17:35:33] <robind> well myself and jay and probably a few others had ssh access
[17:35:39] <FatPhil> (and when I say "passwords", substitute "keys" if appropriate)
[17:35:53] <robind> i think ncommander revoked it during all the craziness yesterday since he didn't know where the chips would fall
[17:35:59] <robind> i would've done the same thing honestly
[17:36:03] <drcoolbp> yeah we think NCommander is the only one with SSH as he revoked other accounts
[17:36:14] <drcoolbp> he just didn't put them back
[17:36:34] <martyb> is there an IRC op in the house? Should update the topic on #soylent to note the site is down and is being worked on.
[17:36:47] <drcoolbp> i'll do it martyb
[17:36:52] <FatPhil> crazy brainstorm - could SSH be confused by not knowing what its hostname is - could it be related to the DNS thing?
[17:36:54] <martyb> drcoolbp: thanks!
[17:36:56] <robind> i can just reboot it again...though I doubt it will do anything
[17:36:58] <robind> FatPhil, no
[17:37:05] <drcoolbp> do it robin
[17:37:08] <drcoolbp> can't make it worse
[17:37:14] <audioguy> No, you can get the prompt.
[17:37:58] <robind> yeah same old
[17:38:07] <robind> i'm surprised it comes up in a bad state on reboot though
[17:38:35] <audioguy> Didn't some say erlier there was a patch that ws bad?
[17:38:42] <robind> hmmm
[17:38:48] <robind> apparently I can reboot into rescue mode
[17:38:52] <robind> then I might be able to change the root pw
[17:38:52] <audioguy> Maybe too much got pulled.
[17:39:12] <robind> ok
[17:39:13] <robind> i'm doing that
[17:39:14] <audioguy> ha ha ha
[17:39:16] <robind> i'm going to reset it
[17:39:29] <audioguy> robin, don't talk here.
[17:39:31] <robind> sorry it took me so long to realize that was even an option
[17:39:38] <robind> is there like a super secret staff chan?
[17:39:41] <audioguy> open channel
[17:40:14] <audioguy> pm
[17:42:23] <FatPhil> and you were using passwords, not keys
[17:46:03] <mattie_p> Barrabas is trying to look up NCommander's phone to give to me
[17:46:17] <drcoolbp> nice
[17:46:26] <drcoolbp> so glad he is still being helpful
[17:46:42] <mattie_p> he was mad for a day or two and now he says he is relaxed
[17:46:48] <drcoolbp> flame all you want but he has integrity there
[17:46:58] <robind> hey mattie_p
[17:46:58] <mattie_p> drcoolbp can you send me matt_'s email address, please?
[17:47:03] <robind> i don't think it's necessary anymore
[17:47:04] <mattie_p> sup, robind?
[17:47:06] <robind> i managed to reset the root pw
[17:47:09] <drcoolbp> matt_ is that okay?
[17:47:25] <drcoolbp> thx mattie_p on the way
[17:47:35] <mattie_p> robind, ok, so you can get in now?
[17:47:39] <robind> yes sir
[17:48:07] <mattie_p> oh, excellent
[17:48:24] <robind> come on you piece of crap
[17:48:24] <robind> WORK
[17:48:28] <robind> BREATH DAMMIT
[17:48:33] * robind pounds chest
[17:48:57] * martyb thinks that would make a nice channel name: #chest
[17:49:05] <mattie_p> lol
[17:49:08] <drcoolbp> hahah
[17:49:37] <drcoolbp> I think it's working
[17:49:46] <robind> well it's not 503ing
[17:49:47] * martyb then thinks that "octothorpe chest" sounds like something from "Alien" !!
[17:49:49] <robind> but it's also not working
[17:50:03] <martyb> I'm in.
[17:50:24] <drcoolbp> kinda working on the linode address
[17:50:25] <robind> ok well maybe my interwebz just sucks
[17:50:43] <robind> so does anyone know where dns is configured?
[17:50:43] <mattie_p> I'm in on linode, not main domain
[17:50:46] <robind> i thought it was just on linode
[17:50:49] <robind> but idk
[17:51:05] <drcoolbp> it's all text based no images or css
[17:51:06] <mattie_p> Barrabas just said the zone records were on his boxes there
[17:51:20] <martyb> worked for me at soylentnews.org with all text and pics.
[17:51:20] <mattie_p> dunno if those were moved before they were shut down
[17:51:31] <robind> lol great
[17:52:03] <FatPhil> zone records were on the boxes which *were his*, but are now matt_'s
[17:52:10] <mattie_p> correct
[17:52:53] <mattie_p> also, Barrabas said that he cannot transfer the domain registration of names under 30 days old. so it'll be another day or two, I guess
[17:53:16] <drcoolbp> matt_ said something to the same effect
[17:54:51] <FatPhil> yup, one more day required
[17:55:18] <robind> i have to go to a meeting
[17:55:20] <robind> soo uhh
[17:55:24] <robind> yeah
[17:55:25] <drcoolbp> okay robind, thanks
[17:55:30] <mattie_p> thanks robind!
[17:55:35] <drcoolbp> can you give audioguy the new pw?
[17:55:40] <drcoolbp> please
[17:55:45] <robind> i'll just make him an acct
[17:55:48] <drcoolbp> okay
[17:55:53] <drcoolbp> talk to you later
[17:56:00] <mattie_p> let's think of some schemes on how to keep the passwords available in a case like this
[17:56:01] <drcoolbp> audioguy^^^
[17:56:20] <martyb> robind++ # thank you, for everything.
[17:56:21] <drcoolbp> mattie_p you and I as key holders that never use the passwords seems to make sense
[17:56:32] <drcoolbp> but we need someone on the other side of the globe too....
[17:56:36] <mattie_p> without us having access. Like I keep the TC, and two other people have the key to the TC or something like that
[17:56:44] <drcoolbp> interesting
[17:56:55] <drcoolbp> again, we need more coverage going forward
[17:57:37] <drcoolbp> can you put a .tc inside a .tc?
[17:57:39] <drcoolbp> = )
[17:58:06] <FatPhil> absolutely, a .tc's just a file
[17:58:14] <martyb> drcoolbp: yes
[17:59:24] <martyb> drcoolbp: what are you thinking? needing two passwords? one for "outer" and then one for "inner"?
[17:59:36] <drcoolbp> just a questoin
[17:59:41] <martyb> k
[17:59:42] <mattie_p> I think we need to have 2-person integrity if we are going to bust open the servers.
[17:59:44] <drcoolbp> we need to implement a system
[17:59:50] <mattie_p> we can come up with something, I'm sure
[17:59:55] <drcoolbp> oh yes
[18:00:03] <martyb> agreed.
[18:00:05] <drcoolbp> we have just been playing catch-up for a few days
[18:00:15] <drcoolbp> too busy to actually do our jobs
[18:00:15] <mattie_p> that way we have emergency access when we really need it
[18:00:20] <drcoolbp> yes
[18:01:06] <drcoolbp> mattie_p is the site up for you?
[18:01:20] <drcoolbp> some of us are getting a weird non-css text version
[18:01:21] <mattie_p> not yet, but I'm on comcast
[18:01:23] <mattie_p> they suck
[18:01:39] <FatPhil> everyone in sys needs read-only access on demand without question, that's for sure. And write access when needed, preferably via sudo, so accountable.
[18:01:39] <drcoolbp> yes they do
[18:01:49] <mattie_p> ^^
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[18:02:36] <drcoolbp> FatPhil: we haven't even organized a staff stucture yet
[18:03:17] <FatPhil> that is part of the problem
[18:03:18] <mattie_p> draft v3: http://imgur.com
[18:03:55] <mattie_p> I'm going to present something to NCommander when he gets back
[18:03:58] <drcoolbp> thx mattie_p
[18:04:09] <drcoolbp> that looks like a good draft
[18:04:20] <drcoolbp> forumns are definitely out though
[18:04:25] <mattie_p> I also need each unit to define their own roles.
[18:04:34] <drcoolbp> yes
[18:04:38] <drcoolbp> it's on my todo list
[18:04:38] <mattie_p> we have some of that, but need to know what people claim as their own
[18:04:51] <drcoolbp> ironically I was trying to start getting back to work when the site went down!
[18:05:19] <drcoolbp> sure glad irc didn't go down...
[18:05:36] <FatPhil> there's always freenode
[18:06:12] <drcoolbp> yes but it would've made a bad situation worse
[18:06:52] <mattie_p> anyway, most recent crisis over, time to move on to the next one **knocks on wood**
[18:07:48] <mattie_p> well, once we get DNS working again
[18:08:21] <drcoolbp> I'm still getting crap on linode and nothing on main domain
[18:08:35] <FatPhil> can't we just change how (where) the zone file's managed?
[18:08:54] <martyb> mattie_p: don't know if we are all good, yet. I no longer can bring up SN.org, only got text at lin*
[18:08:55] <FatPhil> wasn't it a gandi registration, you can switch to them managing it trivially.
[18:09:55] <mattie_p> yeah, I know, martyb
[18:10:03] <martyb> k.
[18:10:07] <mattie_p> zone files were on Barrabas's linodes.
[18:10:20] <mattie_p> catching up on traffic, looks like NCommander took those down this morning?
[18:10:22] <mattie_p> maybe?
[18:10:29] <martyb> so, atm, we're zoned out. got it.
[18:10:35] <drcoolbp> mattie_p I took them down
[18:10:51] <drcoolbp> well
[18:10:58] <drcoolbp> mechanicjay took them down
[18:11:06] <mattie_p> so we need zone records again? or were they migrated first?
[18:11:12] <FatPhil> Ahhh, ICS "just do it" strikes again
[18:11:12] <drcoolbp> then I moved svc linode to Ncommanders account
[18:11:19] <drcoolbp> as per his request
[18:11:28] <drcoolbp> then I closed the linode account
[18:11:38] <drcoolbp> is that what fucked it up?
[18:11:43] <mattie_p> looks like it
[18:11:49] <drcoolbp> shit
[18:11:57] <mattie_p> we got someone who can recreate those?
[18:12:04] <mattie_p> anyone? Bueller?
[18:12:15] <audioguy> dns is still down.
[18:12:19] <drcoolbp> linode said we needed to close the account in order to transfer.....
[18:12:28] * drcoolbp goes to hide in a corner
[18:12:36] <martyb> backups?
[18:13:07] <FatPhil> I know they don't like doing anything apart from power cycling, but is it worth asking for support from linode at this point
[18:13:24] <drcoolbp> GUYS: We need somone to recreate the zone records
[18:13:26] * mattie_p notes we now also need to implement change management processes here.
[18:13:53] <mattie_p> Barrabas can do it, he offered to help, but I suspect we won't want it
[18:14:06] <drcoolbp> mattie_p you are in charge sir
[18:14:13] <drcoolbp> put out the fire that I started
[18:14:18] <audioguy> If I had acccess, and it is bind, I could do it
[18:14:25] <mattie_p> you didn't start the fire ...
[18:14:25] <drcoolbp> audiougy
[18:14:31] <mattie_p> it was always burning....
[18:14:36] <drcoolbp> audioguy robin made you an account
[18:14:40] <drcoolbp> you should have access
[18:14:50] <mattie_p> audioguy can you make the zone records?
[18:15:04] <FatPhil> why do we need to manage our own DNS?
[18:15:04] <audioguy> yes, to the slash server, but the dns servers are elsewhere, correct?
[18:15:31] <drcoolbp> audioguy: robind made you an account for the linodes on NCommanders account
[18:15:41] <drcoolbp> right before he ducked into a meeting
[18:16:01] <audioguy> If I know wht goes whre, I can, riun my own dns here and for customers, on bind. In fact I could use my own servers for soylent, just point to them at the registrar
[18:16:56] <mattie_p> at this point, something > nothing
[18:17:14] <mattie_p> looks like our zone records didn't get moved before we closed the other linodes
[18:17:21] <FatPhil> what's wrong with GANDI hosting the DNS?
[18:17:37] <mattie_p> we're moving off of them ASAP, I think
[18:17:54] * drcoolbp peeks out from his corner
[18:17:54] <mattie_p> and hosting our own was the way Barrabas initially set it up
[18:18:07] <mattie_p> thus, it continued to this very day
[18:18:32] <audioguy> Can I get access to the web interface for the linode? Is that where the zone records are kept? I normallu donot use virtual machines, real ones, so I need someon to tell me a few things about access
[18:18:36] <FatPhil> the more you manage, the more you have to manage...
[18:18:54] <drcoolbp> audioguy, the account was closed......
[18:19:09] <drcoolbp> I can call them, maybe they can re-instate.....
[18:19:29] <audioguy> Ak, ther I can create records on my machine, for the soylent stuff,
[18:19:43] <audioguy> drcoolbp - that MAY be the fatsest, try that first.
[18:19:49] <drcoolbp> k
[18:19:58] <mattie_p> yeah, call them up
[18:20:06] * drcoolbp is dialing
[18:20:18] <mattie_p> brb, need a smoke now, you guys are making me kill myself slowly
[18:20:31] <audioguy> If not, I can just make records on my dns servers, and someone who has access to the registrar will need to point the domain to my servers
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[18:23:31] <audioguy> drcoobp, if they cannot reinstate, ask them if there is a copy of the zone file there, and mail it to me audioguy@demmers.org
[18:24:48] <drcoolbp> k
[18:24:50] <drcoolbp> asking him
[18:25:38] <drcoolbp> oh
[18:25:46] <drcoolbp> oh "dave" please save us!!
[18:26:28] <audioguy> If he saves us, STILL have him mail me a copy of the zone file for backup, ok?
[18:26:34] <drcoolbp> k
[18:27:12] <audioguy> Because the only addres I know for certain is the main site and slashcott. ;-)
[18:28:00] <FatPhil> If he gives out any information/files, then he's been socially engineered.
[18:28:30] <drcoolbp> he's not able to emai
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[18:28:50] <drcoolbp> do you have access to NCommander's linode account?
[18:29:51] <audioguy> OK.
[18:30:03] <audioguy> I hve ssh access tothe the server, that is all.
[18:30:23] <audioguy> So probably not.
[18:30:23] <drcoolbp> crap then we need robin
[18:30:26] <drcoolbp> anyway listen
[18:30:30] <drcoolbp> I'm off the phonme
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[18:30:38] <audioguy> He is gone for two hours.
[18:30:41] <drcoolbp> dave said he moved the zone files over and reinstated them
[18:30:48] <audioguy> maybe paul has it!!!!
[18:30:49] <drcoolbp> it may take an hour
[18:30:58] <drcoolbp> paulej72
[18:31:13] <audioguy> that should be all we need, I can restart stuff on the server if neeeded.
[18:31:21] <paulej72> has what audioguy
[18:31:30] <audioguy> Site down
[18:31:33] <audioguy> Got that?
[18:32:11] <audioguy> Reason: shut down a linode server at NCommaders request. But the dns was connected to it so lost all dns.
[18:32:13] <drcoolbp> paulej72 do you have access to NCommander's linode account?
[18:32:34] <drcoolbp> zone file should be back up, and available on NCommander's account
[18:32:36] <audioguy> Called linode, they are re-insating the dns, but will take an hour.
[18:33:01] <audioguy> I now have access sssh to the main server, but not to the interface to the linode itself, do you?
[18:33:07] <paulej72> drcoolbp I do not have access to NCommander linode account. I was never given any access to the production envionment
[18:33:15] <audioguy> Crap.
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[18:33:22] <drcoolbp> okay, so we have to wait for robind
[18:33:41] * drcoolbp looks up
[18:33:47] <drcoolbp> really?
[18:33:56] <audioguy> robind is out for two hours.
[18:33:59] <drcoolbp> oh crapzors I fixed it!
[18:34:17] <audioguy> How?
[18:34:21] <paulej72> I still see the site fine, but I can not reach irc.soylentnews.org
[18:34:25] <martyb> SN just worked for me.
[18:34:31] <audioguy> Did dns come back up>?
[18:35:29] <martyb> audioguy: looks like it. I just go back on okay...
[18:35:30] <audioguy> It did, just checked, the linode gut got it going fast!
[18:35:31] <paulej72> DNS seems to be ok now I can get to irc.soylentnews.org
[18:35:39] <martyb> audioguy: both SN.org and LI...
[18:35:44] <audioguy> Checking wiki, ec...
[18:36:02] <paulej72> wiki ok
[18:36:19] * drcoolbp sighs deeper then he ever has
[18:36:34] <paulej72> how long were we out?
[18:36:37] <audioguy> yep. Ok, someone post a message to soylent, and to stff list thaty we are ok.
[18:36:38] <drcoolbp> thought I'd have to turn in another geek card there, I'm running low
[18:36:43] <drcoolbp> about 2 hours
[18:36:52] <drcoolbp> I'll post to the mailing list
[18:37:10] <paulej72> I have been at lunch for tht past 2 hours
[18:37:13] <audioguy> Strong suggestion: I have offered three times to allow my dns servers to be used for a backup. If we had done so, this would not have happend.
[18:37:57] <audioguy> They are simple slaves but would have had a copy of the zone file and could have been made masters in 10 minutes.
[18:38:05] <paulej72> audioguy we should allow you to host the zonefile.
[18:38:37] <paulej72> who is in charge right now?
[18:39:16] <drcoolbp> you are
[18:39:21] <drcoolbp> mattie_p is smoking
[18:39:24] <audioguy> Just need to list my machine as a slave, it is very easy. It then grabs the zone file from the master,, only can do that.
[18:40:17] <martyb> !suggestion preface nick with role when handling incident
[18:40:59] <paulej72> Ok as I am not familar with how this should be done on linodes systems, it may be easy to do audioguy's suggestion or very hard.
[18:41:17] <audioguy> kudos to drcoolbp and robin, who sot of hacked into the main server. ;-)
[18:41:28] <drcoolbp> haha
[18:41:44] <audioguy> Yes, I am not sure either, but slaves are prt of the spec so it should be possible.
[18:41:55] <paulej72> drcoolbp can you get audioguy access to the linode account so he can see if his suggestion can be done.
[18:42:06] <audioguy> I now have root on the main server paulej72 ;-)
[18:42:18] <audioguy> Want an account? ;-)
[18:42:19] <drcoolbp> paulej72 you'll need to wait for robin
[18:42:44] <drcoolbp> I don't have access to NCommander's linode where everything resides
[18:42:45] <audioguy> Yes, robin.
[18:42:47] <paulej72> drcoolbp what account is the dns attached to right now
[18:42:56] <drcoolbp> NCommander's linode where everything resides
[18:43:10] <drcoolbp> zonefile is there
[18:43:15] <drcoolbp> now anyway....
[18:43:19] <FatPhil> So it hosts its own DNS?
[18:43:20] * drcoolbp sighs
[18:43:23] <drcoolbp> yes
[18:43:25] <FatPhil> ouch
[18:43:29] <drcoolbp> we know
[18:43:37] <audioguy> Always a bad idea to have it all in one place...
[18:43:39] <paulej72> OK so part of the fix to this situation was to attached the DNS on the old account to NCommander's is that correct.
[18:43:52] <mattie_p> I'm back
[18:44:01] <mattie_p> this is killing me
[18:44:11] <mattie_p> we need to focus on core competencies
[18:44:13] <FatPhil> audioguy: "bad idea"? you mean "non-conformant"
[18:44:15] <audioguy> The problem was the dns was attached to an old linode account that was closed.
[18:44:27] <mattie_p> I suspect DNS is one of Barrabas's specialties, so he considered it core
[18:44:35] <mattie_p> but the fact is we should focus on the site
[18:44:47] <audioguy> I have ranted before about this, thought I would spare eveyone. ;-)
[18:44:49] <mattie_p> I bet Gandi is a self-service registrar
[18:45:05] <audioguy> I sound like a crotchety old man around here enough.
[18:45:06] <paulej72> mattie_p I was in charge while you were out do you want to take it back
[18:45:18] <mattie_p> paulej72 yeah, I'm here most of the day
[18:45:30] <mattie_p> we're trying to fix DNS, can you do it?
[18:45:32] <paulej72> Ok it is yours
[18:45:36] <mattie_p> thanks
[18:45:37] <drcoolbp> mattie_p is Commander: you have the floor
[18:45:40] <drcoolbp> MAttie
[18:45:42] <drcoolbp> it's fixed
[18:45:45] * drcoolbp fixed it
[18:45:57] * mattie_p high fives drcoolbp
[18:46:03] <drcoolbp> !woop
[18:46:07] <drcoolbp> = (
[18:46:15] <mattie_p> no bendingunit here?
[18:46:22] <paulej72> mattie_p I do not have access to any of the key systems that would have helped in this situation.
[18:46:24] <mattie_p> or whatever it goes by right now
[18:46:33] <mattie_p> paulej72 we're going to fix that as well
[18:46:48] <drcoolbp> mattie_p everything should be back up, I reccomend focus on backup plans
[18:46:55] <mattie_p> I agree
[18:47:03] <audioguy> nobody here did.
[18:47:03] <drcoolbp> BRB - staff email
[18:47:14] <mattie_p> we're going to work on this the next few days while NCommander is chilling
[18:47:21] <mattie_p> and present him with a fait accompli
[18:47:41] <audioguy> Even if we have to hack into the systems to do it ;-)
[18:48:00] <mattie_p> well, if we need to, then yes
[18:48:11] <mattie_p> I'll take the blame if necessary
[18:48:13] <audioguy> MOSTLY kidding.
[18:48:46] <paulej72> audioguy do we know if there is a root password on the production MySQL
[18:48:50] <mattie_p> !todo
[18:48:57] <mattie_p> dammit, keep forgetting
[18:49:11] <drcoolbp> email sent
[18:49:12] <xlefay> so ehm, I guess everything is to shards again?
[18:49:18] <mattie_p> no, we're fixed
[18:49:20] <drcoolbp> xlefay you missed it
[18:49:24] <mattie_p> now we're going to fix processes
[18:49:44] <mattie_p> 1) document our unit responsibilities and core competencies
[18:49:54] <drcoolbp> mattie_p this is my blame, but I fixed it
[18:50:00] <mattie_p> 2) document where EVERYTHING that our site depends on lies
[18:50:04] <audioguy> There is, but root can do anything. I was able to dumpt ables and stuff. The Slash paaword for its acces was done in the original setup, there is a way to find out what it was. I have some onote on the wiki under sql
[18:50:05] <xlefay> meh. /afk
[18:50:09] <mattie_p> drcoolbp: NCommander told you to do it
[18:50:35] <drcoolbp> I may not have mentioned I had to close the account
[18:50:40] <drcoolbp> I'm taking this one
[18:50:44] <mattie_p> 3) determine what we can outsource
[18:50:48] <audioguy> NCommander is human and sometimes does not fully think things through.
[18:51:03] <mattie_p> 4) implement change management processes
[18:51:15] <mattie_p> audioguy I acknowledge that, but we should have checked everything
[18:51:28] <drcoolbp> mattie_p we can send out an email with those 4 directives
[18:51:32] <mattie_p> we assumed there was nothing critical on those linodes
[18:51:42] <mattie_p> drcoolbp I'll work on that
[18:51:47] <drcoolbp> solicit answers from teams
[18:51:52] <drcoolbp> okay
[18:51:53] <paulej72> I assumed that robind had more access than he did. blame me as well
[18:51:57] <drcoolbp> what would you like me to do
[18:52:21] <mattie_p> drcoolbp what else is on your plate right now?
[18:52:26] <audioguy> 'WE need a PRIVATE place to keep all significant ,aterials like passwords, dns zone files, etc that can KILL us if there is a problem. And some 'howto' stuff would help. I am working on parts fo that.
[18:52:30] * drcoolbp checks
[18:52:49] <mattie_p> audioguy: I mentioned that above, it is essential
[18:52:58] <audioguy> Well he did, then NCommader killed it.
[18:53:02] <mattie_p> for usernames/passwords, I think we need two -person integrity
[18:53:06] <drcoolbp> mattie_p mostly just this organizational stuff
[18:53:18] <audioguy> yes, we are in open channel
[18:53:22] <mattie_p> drcoolbp shoot me an email
[18:53:41] <audioguy> please mattie, not all this here someone is going to forget...
[18:53:42] <xlefay> drcoolbp: you do realize your the only one that could see matt_ talk right?
[18:53:53] <drcoolbp> mattie_p I put it all on the http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[18:53:58] <drcoolbp> xlefay, no
[18:54:03] <mattie_p> ahh, good, drcoolbp
[18:54:16] <drcoolbp> er that whole page mattie
[18:54:21] <xlefay> -.- ciao
[18:54:26] <drcoolbp> later xlefay
[18:54:29] <mattie_p> hrm, give matt_ voice, please?
[18:54:37] <mattie_p> or tell us how to do it?
[18:54:43] <drcoolbp> matt_ we need to get you voice privs in here
[18:55:10] <xlefay> sigh.. he needs to identify, I really keep repeating myself all the time - this is why I never set it to +i FatPhil
[18:55:14] <xlefay> .voice matt_
[18:55:14] -!- mode/#staff [+v matt_] by BaconTree
[18:55:15] <xlefay> meh
[18:55:31] <mattie_p> thanks
[18:55:34] <drcoolbp> you need to /msg NickServ identify [nick] [pass]
[18:55:37] <drcoolbp> I think
[18:55:51] <mattie_p> now I know how to do it anyway
[18:56:00] <drcoolbp> I *think*
[18:56:11] <drcoolbp> anyway, mattie_p have you seen that list?
[18:56:25] <drcoolbp> I tried to prioritize by putting important items near the top
[18:56:35] <mattie_p> Yes, let me shoot out an email on this today
[18:56:41] <drcoolbp> cool
[18:56:48] <drcoolbp> I need to disconnect for a bit
[18:56:48] <xlefay> just how do you know it's really matt_? His IP is different, not even in the same subnet as before. This is why we have nickserv ;-)
[18:56:51] <drcoolbp> I'll BBL
[18:56:54] <mattie_p> I'll flesh out the draft organization template and send it out
[18:57:11] <drcoolbp> xlefay is this right? /msg NickServ identify [nick] [pass]
[18:57:27] <mattie_p> matt_ are you on the staff mailing list?
[18:57:32] <xlefay> Yes, that should work at all times.
[18:57:40] <matt_> mattie_p: don't think so.
[18:57:51] <drcoolbp> do you want to be?
[18:57:57] <matt_> sure!
[18:58:07] <matt_> xlefay: got it!
[18:58:26] <drcoolbp> matt do that now
[18:58:38] <drcoolbp> oops
[18:58:40] <martyb> matt_: Hi! good to "see" you here.
[18:58:59] <mattie_p> matt_ for the time being you are a member of the team as our angel investor. I'd like to include you in all discussions for now
[18:59:12] <matt_> did that work?
[18:59:22] <mattie_p> as you can see, we've got some stuff to tighten up, which I'm working on
[18:59:26] <drcoolbp> if you didn't get an error the probably
[18:59:31] <audioguy> So what is this now, the fourth day or so in a row we have looked like complete idiots? Forget soyelnt, let's sell this as a soap opera and make millions!
[18:59:39] <drcoolbp> hahaa
[18:59:50] <mattie_p> he doesn't have a cloak yet
[19:00:01] <drcoolbp> uuh hmmm
[19:00:25] <xlefay> I'll take care of it someday in the future.
[19:00:31] <mattie_p> ok
[19:00:45] <mattie_p> take care, know you have to run
[19:00:55] <drcoolbp> let me try
[19:00:55] <martyb> xlefay: cioa!
[19:01:09] <drcoolbp> ah nevermind
[19:01:53] <Cactus> I *just* got the oh-shit email to the staff list
[19:02:05] <Cactus> 10 minutes AFTER the all-clear email.
[19:02:12] * drcoolbp sighs
[19:02:23] <MrBluze|zzz> lol
[19:02:33] <MrBluze|zzz> did someone tie our shoelaces together or something
[19:03:08] <MrBluze|zzz> glad it's sorted
[19:03:09] <mattie_p> probably
[19:03:14] <drcoolbp> mattie_p I need to take a break at some point, if you want me to hang here while you take care of some stuff I can
[19:03:29] <mattie_p> drcoolbp take a break now if you need it
[19:03:34] * drcoolbp tripped on a wire in the data center
[19:03:38] <mattie_p> I think we're at relative peace
[19:03:42] * drcoolbp needs it
[19:03:45] <drcoolbp> = )
[19:03:47] <mattie_p> sounds like a calamity in irpg
[19:04:02] <audioguy> Mattie :Do not tempt the Gods.
[19:04:28] <drcoolbp> mattie_p PM?
[19:04:31] <mattie_p> in irpg I thought it was FSM?
[19:04:37] <mattie_p> drcoolbp sure
[19:08:00] <drcoolbp> okay guys I'm going AFK
[19:08:02] <drcoolbp> laterz
[19:08:08] <drcoolbp> thanks for everyone's help
[19:08:30] <mattie_p> later, drcoolbp
[19:08:44] <mattie_p> don't worry about the problem, we're just glad you could fix it
[19:08:48] <drcoolbp> me too
[19:09:02] * drcoolbp slips away silently
[19:10:24] <MrBluze|zzz> i heard that
[19:12:59] <kobach> same
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[19:56:33] <mattie_p> who is awake right now? I gotta split in about 20 minutes and need someone to take over while I'm out
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[20:03:24] <mattie_p> bytram, you alive here?
[20:04:18] <bytram> mattie_p: sorry, was elsewhere... what can I do?
[20:04:42] <mattie_p> bytram, you going to be here a while? Need to run to the store, and need to appoint temporary dictator err
[20:04:48] <mattie_p> commander
[20:05:08] <mattie_p> no one else is answering
[20:05:17] <xlefay> when you take command, .op yourself
[20:05:20] <bytram> ok, I can do that... can u give me 5 minutes, first?
[20:05:26] <xlefay> good way to figure out who's in command.
[20:05:35] -!- mode/#staff [+v-o kobach] by xlefay
[20:05:36] <bytram> xlefay: I can .op?
[20:05:40] <xlefay> tias
[20:05:42] <mattie_p> sure, finishing up lunch anyway
[20:05:45] <bytram> .op
[20:05:45] -!- mode/#staff [+o bytram] by BaconTree
[20:05:48] <xlefay> "try it and see"
[20:06:11] <mattie_p> actually, that's not a bad procedure
[20:06:11] * bytram sees lots of mops swabbing up the place =)
[20:06:16] <mattie_p> whoever is in charge go .op
[20:06:20] <xlefay> bytram: the reason is.. people who aren't voiced, e.g. CoySow & Loggie(= a bot though) - when they talk, only the chan op (.op'd) can see it.
[20:06:27] <xlefay> everyone else not-opped can't.
[20:06:56] <bytram> xlefay: aaaaaaaaahhh! got it!
[20:07:04] <xlefay> mattie_p: this is what I meant for meetings, just devoice everyone and only voice the one that oughta be talking, and only you, the meeting leader would be able to see what everyone's saying & keep order ;)
[20:07:16] <mattie_p> I like it
[20:07:22] <xlefay> unvoiced people wouldn't be able to speak with anyone except to op'd
[20:07:31] <bytram> so,, if I "chat" with CoySow5039 .... I can see the conversattion, but nobody else here can?
[20:07:37] <mattie_p> for our next meeting I'll probably try it out
[20:07:56] <xlefay> bytram: actually everyone can see what you're saying but only you and me can see what coysow is saying.
[20:08:13] <xlefay> see, mattie_p didn't see that just now, we did.
[20:08:20] <bytram> CoySow5039: greetings from the soy!
[20:08:33] <xlefay> mattie_p: can you copy the message after I said, bytram: actually.... ?
[20:09:13] <xlefay> bytram: http://logs.sylnt.us see
[20:09:30] <xlefay> it's pretty neat imo
[20:09:32] * bytram goes to look
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[20:09:46] <xlefay> drcoolbp: isn't identified....
[20:09:58] <mattie_p> what am I looking for?
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[20:10:12] <xlefay> [03/11/14 20:07:55] <xlefay> bytram: actually everyone can see what you're saying but only you and me can see what coysow is saying.
[20:10:14] <xlefay> [03/11/14 20:08:00] <CoySow5039> Or try it now?
[20:10:15] <xlefay> [03/11/14 20:08:12] <xlefay> see, mattie_p didn't see that just now, we did.
[20:10:17] <xlefay> =)
[20:10:40] <xlefay> pretty neat for meetings and crap
[20:10:50] <mattie_p> yeah, its not logged apparently, tho
[20:10:51] <drcoolbp> http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[20:10:59] <xlefay> mattie_p: exactly the intention ;)
[20:11:12] <xlefay> so when we hold meetings only the important bits show up
[20:11:15] <mattie_p> ahh
[20:11:20] <bytram> agreed... so, if i understand correctly, op mode means *everything* I type here will get logged?
[20:11:42] <xlefay> bytram: no, everything you type here simply gets logged unless you're without voice and ops
[20:11:44] <bytram> but unvoiced will not appear at all?
[20:11:56] <xlefay> exactly.
[20:12:20] <xlefay> So in meetings, mattie_p can relay one-time questions/messages or voice someone that has more than a little to stay
[20:12:39] <mattie_p> more likely mrcoolbp or someone else will do that, though
[20:12:50] <bytram> xlefay: I think I got it. Okay, I need to take a 5-minute break and then I'll be back...
[20:12:52] <drcoolbp> hehe
[20:13:03] <mattie_p> I'm honestly not going to have that much time in meetings
[20:13:06] <bytram> to resume my command =)
[20:13:11] <xlefay> ... and the logs will only show the most important bits of the meeting and not all the messages like the last meeting, we all know what a mess that was till NC started talking actually
[20:13:12] <mattie_p> since I"m likely to chair
[20:13:24] <drcoolbp> who is bytram?
[20:13:41] <xlefay> meaning you're the perfect candidate mattie_p, since you can silence or give voice to whoever, whenever.
[20:13:44] <mattie_p> last meeting == first meeting? or the rebellion meaning
[20:13:53] <xlefay> the first meeting with B
[20:14:09] * drcoolbp get's back to work
[20:14:09] <xlefay> I don't consider the rebellion meeting to be a staff meeting, I didn't receive an invite anyway
[20:14:17] <xlefay> drcoolbp: $ rev bytram
[20:14:21] <mattie_p> well, that staff meeting was pretty chaotic
[20:14:29] <xlefay> yeah
[20:14:36] <mattie_p> I was doing my best to chair, but everyone jumped in and was all
[20:14:37] <drcoolbp> $rev bytram
[20:14:40] <drcoolbp> ?
[20:14:41] * mattie_p does a little dance
[20:14:44] <xlefay> reverse bytram
[20:14:47] <mattie_p> bacon++
[20:14:49] <mattie_p> etc
[20:14:52] <drcoolbp> ahahahaha
[20:14:53] <xlefay> mattie_p: which will be useless in the next meeting ;)
[20:14:59] * mattie_p nods
[20:15:16] <xlefay> and yea CoySow5039, that's exactly why ;)
[20:15:30] <mattie_p> anyway, need to run to the store for an hour, bytram will be in charge while I'm gone
[20:15:32] * xlefay feels guilty, answering 4 minutes later while still talking here..
[20:15:52] <xlefay> k, have fun - you'll post the poll about IRC after?
[20:15:53] <drcoolbp> bytram: you are in charge!
[20:16:27] * drcoolbp is afk working on wiki
[20:16:27] <xlefay> so you figured it out eh drcoolbp?:P
[20:16:35] <drcoolbp> eventually....
[20:16:35] <xlefay> the read-only forums that is
[20:17:15] <drcoolbp> oh
[20:17:17] <drcoolbp> need to do that
[20:17:18] <bytram> i'm back.
[20:17:23] <drcoolbp> bytram: you are in charge!
[20:17:26] <drcoolbp> BRB
[20:19:29] <mattie_p> excellent, I'm out then
[20:19:47] <bytram> xlefay: should I op elsewhere, or just here?
[20:19:56] <xlefay> just here
[20:19:58] <bytram> mattie_p: later!
[20:20:01] <bytram> k
[20:20:14] <xlefay> also, when you pass command to someone else, have them op themselves and .deop yourself.
[20:20:26] <bytram> got it.
[20:20:33] <xlefay> Awesome.
[20:20:50] <xlefay> http://gabrielecirulli.github.io also... blame robind
[20:20:57] <bytram> brainstorming.... to keep things clear when things are crazy... what about I do a /nick cmdr_bytram ??
[20:21:30] <Landon> http://ov3y.github.io cure thyself
[20:21:33] <bytram> that way, whoever is in command can be referenced as cmdr_foo
[20:22:10] <xlefay> lol Landon
[20:22:31] <xlefay> bytram: up to you, I think this is fairly clear
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[20:23:04] <bytram> xlefay: I'm gonna try it anyway...
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[20:40:12] <cmdr_bytram> robind: are you available? we have a question for you.
[20:40:47] <janrinok> Since the offline this afternoon, none of the stories have received any comments.
[20:41:52] <drcoolbp> janrinok they are but they are not updating
[20:41:56] <mrgirlpluggedout> janrinok, they have comments, but they just aren't counted by the... counter.
[20:41:57] <drcoolbp> we are looking into it right now
[20:42:01] <janrinok> Ah OK thx
[20:42:05] <drcoolbp> thank you!
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[21:02:31] <drcoolbp> okay guys: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[21:02:47] <drcoolbp> start adding anything applicable to your team
[21:03:30] <mattie_p> I'm back
[21:03:51] <mattie_p> gonna run the poll and then send that email
[21:04:00] <drcoolbp> k
[21:04:13] <mattie_p> oh; cmdr
[21:04:26] <mattie_p> how does that work for NCommander? cmdr_NCommander?
[21:04:41] <drcoolbp> lol
[21:04:42] <drcoolbp> yeah
[21:04:43] <cmdr_bytram> mattie_p: need youyr helkp
[21:04:46] <mattie_p> ok
[21:04:49] <mattie_p> what's up?
[21:04:52] <drcoolbp> he's doing fine
[21:15:20] <mattie_p> ok, anyway, I'll be working on that staff email or the poll
[21:15:27] <mattie_p> ping me if you need something
[21:20:56] <LaminatorX|zzzzzzzzz> /nick LaminatorX
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[21:22:02] <LaminatorX> Something has gone wrong. The main page and the backSlash stories lost are both showing zero comments on recent stories, despite there being comments on the story pages themselves.
[21:22:42] <mrgirlpluggedout> The team's working on it.
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[21:23:07] <LaminatorX> Good.
[21:23:43] <mrgirlpluggedout> Also, all the stories that were added after the elephants one are only displayed for logged on users.
[21:24:29] <LaminatorX> Not good.
[21:24:52] <robind> hey guys
[21:25:08] <mattie_p> hey, robind
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[21:42:15] <mrgirlpluggedout> I suggest giving all us volunteers the ability to edit the topic in #soylent.
[21:42:31] <xlefay> Why exactly?
[21:43:02] <xlefay> .. and why can't you edit the topic?
[21:43:05] <mrgirlpluggedout> Because until we found someone who could do so, we had a stream of people asking whether SN is down.
[21:43:17] <xlefay> you can just .op in #soylent and change the topic..
[21:43:27] <mrgirlpluggedout> No one told me :)
[21:43:47] <xlefay> I know, I'm tired of repeating myself a thousand times over. It's annoying.
[21:44:33] <mrgirlpluggedout> And deopping?
[21:44:33] <mrgirlpluggedout> .deop?
[21:44:39] <xlefay> yea
[21:45:01] <mrgirlpluggedout> I should have asked about it about a week ago.
[21:45:53] <xlefay> It's a given really. Everyone in the staff have access in #soylent, volunteers get auto voiced.
[21:46:05] <xlefay> You're an editor, meaning you have those same rights in #staff and #editorial
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[21:47:41] <mrgirlpluggedout> I've only seen a number of people opping themselves there, so, you know, I figured none of the others could :)
[21:47:59] <mrgirlpluggedout> It doesn't say so in my orientation booklet!
[21:48:02] <drcoolbp> lol
[21:48:10] <xlefay> yea ;)
[21:48:11] <drcoolbp> there's a good one, orientation booklet
[21:48:13] <drcoolbp> added
[21:48:37] <xlefay> That's the general idea, no-one has ops less the need it, keeps people from just randomly getting raged and kicking the shit out of someone
[21:48:40] <mrgirlpluggedout> Well, now I know. And knowing is half the battle, etc.
[21:49:20] <janrinok> mrgirlpluggedout: It's the same for me.
[21:49:34] <xlefay> well now you both know ;)
[21:49:41] <mrgirlpluggedout> lol
[21:49:44] <janrinok> lol2
[21:49:46] <xlefay> Enjoy your newly discovered but always present powers
[21:49:55] <janrinok> at my age, I'll forget
[21:50:01] <xlefay> Good.
[21:50:10] <mrgirlpluggedout> At my age, I'm past abusing it :)
[21:50:10] <LaminatorX> It's like DragonballZ n here.
[21:50:15] <xlefay> Since now mrgirlpluggedout can remind you.
[21:50:26] <janrinok> true
[21:51:01] <drcoolbp> check out the http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[21:51:08] <drcoolbp> if you haven't yet
[21:51:15] <janrinok> There appears to be the assumption though that everyone knows everything about IRC.
[21:51:21] <drcoolbp> mattie will be sending an email soon
[21:51:44] <drcoolbp> xlefay, you could add that to the IRC page, quick how-to for IRC (for staff)
[21:51:49] <xlefay> janrinok: no, there does appear the assumption that I should tell everyone.
[21:51:55] <drcoolbp> ^^^^
[21:51:55] <mrgirlpluggedout> Those fancy bot commands xlefay wields aren't the norm.
[21:52:07] <xlefay> The wiki isn't working here, dns isn't refreshed yet
[21:52:07] * LaminatorX goes to take some cold medicine and crawl back in bed.
[21:52:17] <xlefay> mrgirlpluggedout: "norm" as in?
[21:52:27] <drcoolbp> I'm outta here for now
[21:52:32] <xlefay> you mean !op, !deop, whatnot?
[21:52:34] <drcoolbp> see you all later
[21:52:36] <xlefay> ciao
[21:52:52] <xlefay> just the ! prefix is now .
[21:53:02] <xlefay> don't want them conflicting with bender's commands and crap
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[21:54:21] <janrinok> xlefay: no, I don't expect you to have to tell me, I google when I have to. But I've never had to .op .deop so have never bothered.
[21:54:36] <xlefay> janrinok: good
[21:55:45] <mrgirlpluggedout> Last time I was involved in IRC was on DALnet. Everything worked through Chanserv. These bots and doohickies weren't there back then, afair.
[21:56:12] <xlefay> BaconTree: is like chanserv really: .help
[21:56:17] <janrinok> mrgirlpluggedout: Never IRC'd before slashcott.
[21:56:18] <xlefay> and /cs help ; pretty much the same
[21:56:53] <xlefay> so, if you ever need to know what command to use: .help
[21:57:34] <janrinok> thx, I'd found that one. I've just never thought that I needed to use the others... My bad.
[21:57:36] <mrgirlpluggedout> Well, at least one good thing came of this.
[21:57:47] <xlefay> no worries
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[21:58:01] <xlefay> Sorry tho, if I'm a bit harsh... just a bit annoyed
[21:58:24] <janrinok> xlefay: np, we are all tired and stressed.
[21:58:34] <xlefay> It's just one crappy thing after another isn't it
[21:59:00] <janrinok> It does seem that way, and I've had it light compared to some (NC for example)
[21:59:15] <drcoolbp> xlefay consider the quick start guide
[21:59:20] <drcoolbp> I put it in your todo list
[21:59:40] <xlefay> drcoolbp: whcih quick start guide?
[21:59:42] <xlefay> which*
[21:59:46] <janrinok> Or stick a link on the wiki to your recommended IRC tutorial?
[21:59:59] <drcoolbp> a quick-start guide for staff regarding irc commands
[22:00:04] <xlefay> I was going to write docs... but no point unless we keep the IRC
[22:00:13] <mrgirlpluggedout> Everyone who's on board pretty much hit the ground running. So these gaps in information are natural.
[22:00:19] <drcoolbp> xlefay: fair enough
[22:00:39] <janrinok> Lose the wiki - I missed that one, too#
[22:00:39] <drcoolbp> xlefay: anyway here it is: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[22:00:53] <drcoolbp> "lose the wiki" ??
[22:01:01] <xlefay> drcoolbp: like I said earlier.. got bad dns cache, wiki don't work don't care to fix it atm
[22:01:10] <xlefay> I just want to warm up my food and get back into bed
[22:01:16] * xlefay isn't feeling well :/
[22:01:19] <drcoolbp> sorry sir
[22:01:22] <drcoolbp> I'm out too
[22:01:26] <drcoolbp> talk to y'all later
[22:01:27] <janrinok> sorry - I meant lose IRC
[22:01:27] <xlefay> no worries
[22:01:36] <xlefay> janrinok: there'll be a community vote about it
[22:01:47] <drcoolbp> information is on the way
[22:01:49] <janrinok> np get some food and go to bed!
[22:02:22] <xlefay> What I do find surprising since I can't recall a vote about the wiki, forums, etc either... but then again w/e I do appreciate the community will be voting about it
[22:02:54] <Landon> I propose we move to wikipedia :}
[22:03:02] <xlefay> Landon: hah
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[22:03:47] <xlefay> Just sayin' ; I don't mind the vote though but thinking more about it.. anyhow I won't be participating in the vote anyway so
[22:03:53] <cmdr_paulej72> .op
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[22:04:14] <xlefay> hey... can we get mattie_p to take the helm for a bit?
[22:04:20] <xlefay> let's make "cmdr_" a required prefix...
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[22:06:50] <janrinok> mrgirlpluggedout: you still around?
[22:07:26] <mrgirlpluggedout> yeah
[22:07:28] <mrgirlpluggedout> sorta
[22:07:41] <janrinok> you busy then?
[22:07:54] <mrgirlpluggedout> Depends :) What do you need?
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[22:08:40] <janrinok> On the story style page you give an example of <blockquote>. I don't think that blockquote works on the wiki. I haven't found an alternative yet but will keep looking.
[22:08:57] <xlefay> btw.. we should have markdown everywhere
[22:09:07] <xlefay> the wiki, main site, IRC. It'd be ideal.
[22:09:36] <janrinok> agreed, but we haven't got it today. And why aren't you warming your food and going to bed?
[22:09:52] <xlefay> I'm going now. ;-)
[22:09:57] <janrinok> again..
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[22:11:00] <mrgirlpluggedout> I know. I've been trying to find a markup for the story structure that works well on the wiki, janrinok.
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[22:11:15] <janrinok> Did you fall off the IRC?
[22:11:53] <Cactus> Shh
[22:12:00] <mrgirlpluggedout> Yep. I've been getting disconnected all day now.
[22:12:00] <mrgirlpluggedout> And this time it's just IRC, rather than my stupid router.
[22:12:00] <Cactus> You have been sealed away
[22:12:06] <Cactus> Oubliette
[22:12:17] <janrinok> mrgirlpluggedout: When we get a quiet(er) day I'll do some drafts for the page as well.
[22:12:31] <janrinok> Cactus: I hope it isn't painful...
[22:12:42] <Cactus> No
[22:12:46] <Cactus> Just cold. And lonely
[22:13:00] <janrinok> Oh been there, done that.
[22:13:05] <mrgirlpluggedout> Thanks a bunch!
[22:14:13] <janrinok> I'm trying to remember the last day that went as planned... And I can't.
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[22:15:34] <janrinok> mrgirlpluggedout: You are having fun!
[22:15:41] <mrgirlpluggedout> Yeah, a real blast.
[22:15:45] <xlefay> mrgirlpluggedout: connect to / 6667 - hope that'll work better for you.
[22:16:06] <mrgirlpluggedout> Thanks. If it happens again, I will.
[22:16:14] <janrinok> xlefay: this is you going to bed is it?
[22:16:29] <janrinok> I bet your mum used to get annoyed with you....
[22:16:38] <mrgirlpluggedout> lol
[22:16:41] <xlefay> janrinok: I know.. always got lose ends to type up before going! then for some reason IRC gets in front of me and I see things!
[22:16:49] <janrinok> loll
[22:17:02] <xlefay> Ooh she did.. I drove her mad.
[22:18:09] <janrinok> I think that people are getting tired - there is a lot of colds and flu sufferers appearing in our merry crew.
[22:18:23] <xlefay> Ok.. anyway, you guys have a good day and I'll be gone (irrevocably, this time!). Ciao & hope your connection issues disappear mrgirlpluggedout - just be sure to remove at some point since it won't last for much longer (e.g. a week maybe) :)
[22:18:56] <janrinok> take care xlefay cu tomorrow maybe.
[22:19:29] <mrgirlpluggedout> Thanks for everything, slashd and varnis problems included
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[22:23:21] <janrinok> MrBluze: how's things?
[22:24:01] <MrBluze> I'm good janrinok and u?
[22:24:23] <janrinok> OK - another one of those days though. When do the normal days come back?
[22:24:24] <MrBluze> Just back from night shift
[22:24:51] <MrBluze> Do we own the domain now?
[22:25:13] <janrinok> I hope that you not also working too hard. No not as far as I know.
[22:25:25] <MrBluze> Oh
[22:25:36] <janrinok> We went offline for about an hour but have got it up and running again now.
[22:25:42] <MrBluze> Then we still have crappy days ahead
[22:26:09] <MrBluze> Yeah I noticed that just as I was going to an emergency au work
[22:26:22] <janrinok> People are dropping like flies with colds and similar symptoms. People need to rest a little.
[22:26:31] <MrBluze> Oh
[22:26:35] <MrBluze> Yeah
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[22:26:55] <MrBluze> We need to stabilise and just slow down
[22:27:02] <janrinok> exactly
[22:27:17] <MrBluze> But with no ownership it is not possible
[22:27:19] <janrinok> but things seem to be conspiring against us a little.
[22:27:39] <MrBluze> That doesn't sutprise me
[22:27:41] <janrinok> to be honest I don't think that that is our biggest problem.
[22:28:04] <MrBluze> What do you think is the biggest problem?
[22:28:19] <cmdr_paulej72> funny thing is I started getting that tingle in the back of my throat: the begining of a caugh
[22:28:51] <janrinok> We need to settle down, sort out our procedures and just get ourselves going in a routine. mattie_p has started work in this direction
[22:28:53] <MrBluze> Hmm
[22:29:01] <MrBluze> Yep
[22:29:24] <MrBluze> Need to shake off soylent name
[22:29:27] <janrinok> Once we are on top of everything, problems will seem smaller
[22:29:41] <MrBluze> Yep
[22:29:52] <janrinok> there are pros and cons regarding the name. I don't care either way.
[22:30:04] <MrBluze> Need to incorporate as non profit
[22:30:14] <janrinok> But 'certainty' would be nice
[22:30:26] <MrBluze> Or else do so in a country that pays no tax
[22:30:39] <janrinok> yes I agree, but it wouldn't help us solve the sort of problems that we have had today.
[22:30:50] <MrBluze> No
[22:31:02] <MrBluze> Need to simplify
[22:31:14] <MrBluze> Esp regarding sys
[22:31:45] <janrinok> Clear responsibilities, disaster plans in place, actions decided before we get to the panic point. etc
[22:31:57] <MrBluze> Yep
[22:32:06] <MrBluze> Ppl are burnt out
[22:32:24] <janrinok> The sys guys did good this afternoon but they were battling against the system as much as the problem.
[22:32:43] <MrBluze> Hand over was messy
[22:32:59] <janrinok> Its not their fault but we need time to consolidate.
[22:32:59] <MrBluze> B did a nasty
[22:33:12] <janrinok> he did indeed.
[22:33:13] <MrBluze> And so we find things are awry
[22:33:22] <mattie_p> yup, let me finish this poll and then finish my staff email
[22:33:43] <janrinok> mattie_p: ah, I wondered where you were hiding... ;)
[22:33:45] <MrBluze> It will be ok
[22:33:54] <MrBluze> People have to be strong that's all
[22:34:00] <MrBluze> We are not made of wax
[22:34:06] <mattie_p> I was interrupted, it happens
[22:34:21] <mattie_p> bytram had command at the time anyway, and now it is paulej72
[22:34:30] <janrinok> It's very tiring having to fight fires continuously
[22:34:41] <MrBluze> Yes
[22:34:46] <janrinok> I'm not criticising anyone - I think they did ok
[22:34:52] <MrBluze> But it's nearly done
[22:35:17] <MrBluze> We just need to own what we are using and not be at anyone's behest
[22:36:37] <MrBluze> I mean the site works
[22:36:54] <janrinok> Yes
[22:38:15] <janrinok> my day is nearly over. I've been on and off all day and I promised the other half that I wouldn't spend so much time on here. She just smiled when I said that I wouldn't!
[22:38:15] <mrgirlpluggedout> What I'm unsure of is who gets to decide what. For example, who decides on story style? All the volunteers or an overlord or what? Basically, our organizational structure is unclear, despite ICS.
[22:38:48] <janrinok> LaminatorX is our lead. He gave me the same style that you have put on the wiki
[22:39:26] <mattie_p> mrgirlpluggedout look for an email from me shortly
[22:39:38] <janrinok> We are going to automate as much as we can, but we need a stable system and the availability of the right people to do it, and they are busier than anyone at the moment.
[22:39:39] <mattie_p> if you are on the staff email list you will get it
[22:40:02] <MrBluze> Ok Brb family duties
[22:40:23] <janrinok> mrgirlpluggedout: I'm sure LaminatorX|afk would listen if you have changes to suggest.
[22:41:13] <mattie_p> IRC Poll posted
[22:43:38] <FatPhil> mattie_p: you were never going to get a sensible vote from me on that poll!
[22:44:34] <mattie_p> I'm not sure what that means, but its funny anyway
[22:45:37] <janrinok> mattie_p: so the choice is our own IRC or a channel elsewhere?
[22:45:51] <janrinok> or no IRC at all?
[22:46:07] <mattie_p> I'm pretty sure we're keeping IRC
[22:46:17] <janrinok> thanks
[22:46:21] <mattie_p> just a matter of where it is hosted, ourselves or freenode
[22:46:53] <janrinok> that what I was hoping. I hope the tech guys are able to quantify the costs and gains...
[22:47:42] <mattie_p> that is what comments are for
[22:47:42] <MrBluze> Hmm
[22:47:49] <MrBluze> Ok
[22:47:52] <mrgirlpluggedout> Gain: channels on freenode can't get hijacked...
[22:48:02] <MrBluze> I will give a considered response
[22:48:27] <FatPhil> MrBluze: how were you forseeing hijecking on our own server?
[22:48:43] <FatPhil> mrgirlpluggedout: ^
[22:49:11] <MrBluze> Given we are not going for corporate model...
[22:49:13] <mrgirlpluggedout> Oh, I don't know, maybe if someone gains control of our domain name
[22:49:28] <MrBluze> But given this irc is currently serving us very well indeed
[22:49:47] <MrBluze> Brb again
[22:50:28] <mattie_p> sure
[22:50:45] <FatPhil> and your estimation of the likelyhood of risk of that is? In particular given that irc.sylnt.us is owned by the trusted staff
[22:50:53] <mattie_p> mrgirlpluggedout: intention is to move to a new domain name very soon, our final domain name (we hope)
[22:52:41] <mrgirlpluggedout> All I mean is that in the past couple of days we discovered an unforseen consequence of having everything at our control. I don't seriously expect it to happen again.
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[22:53:49] <MrBluze> I do think that shortly we will be in as good a technical position as we can ever hope for
[22:53:55] <mrgirlpluggedout> As long as we don't have a single point of failure, infrastructure wise, it should be good.
[22:55:01] <mrgirlpluggedout> E.g. who's idea was it to move to our on IRC server?
[22:55:11] <MrBluze> The point of failure has up till now been human
[22:55:30] <mrgirlpluggedout> Wow, what a typo. I'm awfully tired, then.
[22:55:31] <MrBluze> B
[22:55:51] <mrgirlpluggedout> *whose
[22:55:56] <MrBluze> B
[22:56:20] <FatPhil> oh, we're even *more* single point than before presently - seat-of-your-pants stuff!
[22:56:34] <MrBluze> Yes
[22:56:45] <mrgirlpluggedout> So it all turned out to be dependent on one domain name -- we have backups, sure, but they're not the ones the public knows and uses -- which kind of backfired.
[22:56:51] <MrBluze> But that is for lack of ownership
[22:58:05] <cmdr_paulej72> mrgirlpluggedout I like the idea of our own irc servers. we can setup the channels easer and give ourselves cloaks easier, It does have its drqsbacks
[22:58:15] <mrgirlpluggedout> I like it too.
[22:58:51] <mrgirlpluggedout> Also, Freenode gets DDoSed.
[22:59:13] <mrgirlpluggedout> It's a bigger target than we are, which should also be taken into consideration.
[22:59:15] <cmdr_paulej72> mrgirlpluggedout xlefay I believ has a second server running that is on independent hardware and we ahave an independet name as well.
[22:59:28] <xlefay> actually I run both of them (just finished dinner)
[22:59:37] <MrBluze> We should keep a channel there
[23:00:06] <xlefay> cmdr_paulej72: both running independently, in two different countries, yes.
[23:00:12] <mrgirlpluggedout> That's a good idea, MrBluze.
[23:00:16] <cmdr_paulej72> MrBluze i believe they are mirrors
[23:00:29] <xlefay> ##altslashdot & #soylent are relayed to one another.
[23:00:30] <mrgirlpluggedout> Keeping it open just in case.
[23:00:44] <MrBluze> Yep
[23:00:45] <xlefay> ##alt... = freenode, #soyl.. = here
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[23:01:35] <janrinok> I've got to go - hope it stays quiet for the rest of the day. cheers guys
[23:01:41] <mrgirlpluggedout> So long
[23:02:06] <xlefay> mrgirlpluggedout: as for a DDoS.. if the secondary server gets hit, I'm screwed with a huge bill. If the primary server gets hit, it has enough bandwidth - the dedi hoster will notice and disconnect the IP.
[23:02:26] <xlefay> the primary server's secondary IP is used for IRC. So I'm not that worried about that one.
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[23:02:34] <mrgirlpluggedout> How much is huge?
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[23:03:18] <xlefay> Huge is around 5c/gb - so "huge" depends on the size of the DDoS and how fast I can kill the server (e.g. If I'm asleep, that's not gonna happen)
[23:03:52] <mrgirlpluggedout> How much bandwidth does a DDoS use per hour nowadays?
[23:04:10] <xlefay> there's no fixed number... you can't extrapolate that without having more info first
[23:04:31] <xlefay> e.g. if a botnet is used, how many bots, what's the average connection speed, etc.
[23:05:03] <mrgirlpluggedout> BTW, my English is slowly escaping me. It's time to hit the sack.
[23:05:04] <xlefay> mind you, the secondary server will go out of the rotation in a week or so, like I mentioned earlier.
[23:05:19] <mrgirlpluggedout> It's hard to English :(
[23:05:48] <xlefay> The primary server... well, it can take a beating before my dedi hoster notices it and nullroutes the IP. (as in, my server's secondary IP) ;)
[23:05:57] <xlefay> ah don't worry. Finished dinner, gonna go too.
[23:06:30] <mrgirlpluggedout> What I meant to ask was basically - how much money do you expect to pay due to a DDoS that lasts all night?
[23:07:00] <FatPhil> regarding targets - with freenode, we could be an innocent bystander of an attack directed at others. with our own, we could be the specific target. swings and roundabouts.
[23:07:21] <xlefay> for the primary server: 0. secondary server, that might go up to 100 or more, really depends on the provider with which that server is hosted. If they take action or not.
[23:07:46] <mrgirlpluggedout> 100 dollars, euros, pesos?
[23:07:55] <FatPhil> bitcoins!
[23:07:56] <xlefay> euros, of course.
[23:08:11] <xlefay> (mind you, I'm being "gentle" here because there's no real way to estimate)
[23:08:14] <mrgirlpluggedout> That's a nifty sum.
[23:08:57] <FatPhil> it's a criminal action here too.
[23:08:59] <xlefay> but like I said, the primary server won't have that problem.. (it really has more than enough bandwidth to serve a minor DDoS and still provide good services to everyone)
[23:09:34] <mrgirlpluggedout> So that's the upside to being hosted on freenode - there is perhaps more of a chance of getting DDoSed, but at least it'll be fre.
[23:09:35] <xlefay> here too FatPhil. First thing I would do after tacking actions to disconnect an IP is alert the police.
[23:09:37] <mrgirlpluggedout> free, even.
[23:09:54] <xlefay> "free".. no, not for them, for us sure
[23:10:04] <mrgirlpluggedout> For us, of course.
[23:10:16] <xlefay> but mind you.. that's a bad argument since the secondary server is going out of the rotation and the primary one can handle it.
[23:10:29] <mrgirlpluggedout> Yep
[23:10:35] <xlefay> least till it gets moved to SN at which point it might get pricey depending on their bandwidth caps and such.
[23:11:23] <xlefay> so "2 TB Transfer" @ linode... per server?
[23:11:46] <xlefay> for linode 1024 that is..
[23:12:22] <FatPhil> just run it on something with the most pitifully low bandwidth available - then their packets will all be rejected, and you'll pay for very little!
[23:12:38] <FatPhil> (Yes, that doesn't address the DoS part)
[23:12:44] <xlefay> rofl
[23:13:57] <xlefay> I actually have 20TB on the main server (speedtest, to show off: http://www.speedtest.net ) ; and running the IRCd and crap on the secondary server so the ISP can just null route that one if things go south
[23:14:25] <mrgirlpluggedout> So, to summarize, good night everyone.
[23:14:26] <xlefay> It's funny how my ISP acts in those cases though.. they just null route their customer's IP and be like "k, shits done."
[23:14:32] <xlefay> mrgirlpluggedout: haha gnight
[23:14:40] <mrgirlpluggedout> G'night, gabber
[23:14:46] <mrgirlpluggedout> (Is that still used?)
[23:14:48] <xlefay> "gabber"?
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[23:15:01] <xlefay> a liar or deceiver hmm..
[23:15:10] <xlefay> What exactly did I lie about?
[23:15:16] <mrgirlpluggedout> Slang for 'friend'
[23:15:20] <xlefay> ooh.
[23:15:21] <mrgirlpluggedout> It used to be, anyway.
[23:15:37] <xlefay> first hit I got was: n. A liar; a deceiver. | aah I stand corrected
[23:15:43] <xlefay> well, good night then, gabber ;)
[23:15:50] <xlefay> the "friendly" one ;]
[23:16:16] <mrgirlpluggedout> Uh, I thought you were Dutch.
[23:16:58] <xlefay> I am.. it's used here to refer to someone who listens to Hardcore and is part of that "scene".
[23:17:15] <mrgirlpluggedout> That's where I know it from :)
[23:17:19] <xlefay> not used to say friend, least not in my region
[23:17:50] <xlefay> might be in other places in NL though
[23:18:19] <mrgirlpluggedout> So, today I learned something about IRC, and something about contemporary Dutch slang.
[23:18:27] <mrgirlpluggedout> Not a bad day, all things considered
[23:18:37] <xlefay> haha sorry about the confusion btw! :)
[23:18:50] <xlefay> Have a good night man..
[23:19:11] <mrgirlpluggedout> Goedenacht
[23:19:15] <xlefay> Jij ook!
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