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[06:34:51] <Ingar> my IPv4-based NATed LAN already runs fine aside my broken IPv6 contraption
[06:38:10] <Ingar> but sometimes you have to accept that EVs are the future
[08:08:01] <AlwaysNever> I'm old enought to disparage the future
[08:38:49] <AlwaysNever> "Sorry, this post was removed by Reddit's filters" - that's what you get in their walled gardens...
[09:43:49] <Ingar> reddit, sounds chinese
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[11:37:32] <fab23> AlwaysNever: I guess you are aware of https://en.wikipedia.org(networking)
[11:37:34] <systemd> ^ 0303Hole punching (networking) - Wikipedia
[11:44:02] <chromas> ^ 03Fisting (networking)
[12:12:07] <AlwaysNever> network hole punching needs a cloud-based third party and the private endpoints to initiate outboud connections, I'm aware of it and it's not something that ever happens by accident
[12:13:50] <fab23> spoofed sending packet?
[12:14:17] <AlwaysNever> Anydesk and Teamviewer use network hole punching, that is normal for those "solutions"
[12:15:07] <AlwaysNever> There is nothing externally-initiated that can beat IPv4 private addressing
[12:17:27] <fab23> It could be done, with knowing the right things and also be able (e.g. the ISP does not block) sending spoofed packets, but yes chances are quite rare for this.
[12:20:33] <AlwaysNever> well, if your ISP is conspiring against you, then you cannot trust the network
[12:23:22] <AlwaysNever> In another order of things, should I keep using Museeks as music player in macOS, or change to Strawberry? I like that Museeks is very lean, but I cannot resize the width of columns in the music library...
[12:23:31] <fab23> ISPs (or other operators of public IP address space) should take care that their network does not let out spoofed sending addresses, but not everybody is doing this.
[12:26:03] <fab23> AlwaysNever: I have never tested any other music player on macOS, a long time ago I did rip my CDs with iTunes, so they are still in my local Music.app Library. For playing random other audio files I use either the cli afplay or VLC.
[12:27:58] <fab23> AlwaysNever: for Streaming (like Radio Stations) I really like Triode (https://triode.app/) from IconFactory
[12:28:00] <systemd> 05Error: HTTP 404 for https://triode.app)
[12:29:27] <AlwaysNever> streaming Internet radio stations... now that is a blast from the past!
[12:31:51] <AlwaysNever> ohh, I didn't know the built-in afplay command, it works!
[12:32:02] <fab23> Some do just stream music, without any moderations or news, perfect.
[12:36:00] <fab23> AlwaysNever: do you know the 'say' command?
[12:36:43] <AlwaysNever> I see now why I had to leave Music.app behind... I've blocked the whole Apple-owned 17.0.0.0/8 IP range if the outgoing filter of the pf firewall in my MacBook, and Music.app insists on phoning home and it stalls
[12:37:51] <fab23> AlwaysNever: e.g.: say -v Anna "Heute ist ein schöner Tag!"
[12:38:04] <AlwaysNever> let me tray that "say"...
[12:38:36] <AlwaysNever> "say "Hola buenos dias" LOL
[12:38:54] <AlwaysNever> in perfect English accent
[12:39:03] <fab23> AlwaysNever: hm you should not block 17.0.0.0/8, as macOS is also using it to check if e.g. the WiFi you are connecting is online, and if needed brings the captive portal
[12:39:35] <fab23> AlwaysNever: say -v '?' and you get a list of available voices in many different languages, Anna is German.
[12:40:51] <AlwaysNever> Some native macOS apps don't work with outgoing traffic to 17.0.0.0/8 blocked, but I prefer it that way - the core operating system functionality works fine
[12:40:55] <fab23> AlwaysNever: I used the say with --output-file=/path/to/file and then ffmpeg to convert to .wav for my PBX as announce message.
[12:41:14] <fab23> AlwaysNever: as you wish :)
[12:41:36] <fab23> .. to create an annouce message file.
[12:41:57] <AlwaysNever> nice tricks with that say command
[12:44:50] <AlwaysNever> LOL the difference between: say -v Jorge "Hola buenos dias" VS say -v Fred "Hola buenos dias"
[12:51:52] <AlwaysNever> BTW, I see I'm lacking a BitTorrent client in this macOS, is Transmission the recommended one?
[13:00:47] <fab23> no idea
[15:58:43] <AlwaysNever> I can confirm - Transmsission works great on macOS
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