#soylent | Logs for 2026-07-19

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[00:16:39] <halibut> Ingar: Capricorn would be pretty low to the horizon, but it is still above the horizon, isn't it? Is it just too close to the horizon for good viewing?
[00:19:06] <halibut> I am bothered by the fact that janrinok's browsers do not access your site. It feels like there must be some easy setting to fix that ... but I remember there have been multiple people in the past trying to debug the issue, and none of them got anywhere.
[00:21:46] <halibut> Different topic: The SN story about human body having design flaws has several comments that I thought were incorrect.
[00:22:58] <halibut> Re: https://soylentnews.org I was shocked a while back to learn that birds to not have backwards knees. Like dogs and cats, those backwards ``knees'' are actually their ankles. Their knees are higher up, and bend the same way other mammals' knees do. Birds, cats, and dogs are actually walking on their toes, not flat feet.
[00:22:59] <systemd> ^ 0303SoylentNews Comments | Why the Human Body Has So Many Design Flaws ( https://soylentnews.org )
[00:24:24] <halibut> Re: https://soylentnews.org I think there is a misunderstanding there. Rodent teeth continually grow, and need to be ground down. Sharks, I believe, replace teeth. They keep falling out and getting replaced, just like human children teeth. If humans had shark-like teeth replacement, they would not need to get the teeth regularly ground
[00:24:25] <systemd> ^ 0303SoylentNews Comments | Why the Human Body Has So Many Design Flaws ( https://soylentnews.org )
[00:24:30] <halibut> down.
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[05:49:36] <janrinok> halibut, I am willing to try any suggestions that you may have regarding my browser fix.
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[07:41:55] <halibut> I fear I would just be repeating things others have said. I recall some CLI downloaders work for you, so it is just browsers. I recall others talking about HTTPS always ... but I do not recall whether you were able to turn that off somehow.
[07:43:11] <halibut> Any chance you could open up the Network tab in your browser? It would be useful to see what URL your browser actually attempts to reach. I think in the network tab of most major browsers, if you see a request, you can right-click (or some equivalent thereof) and choose a copy option, and select copy to curl.
[07:43:35] <halibut> That gives you a (hopefully) equivalent curl command which might be easier to debug than guessing about what the browser is doing.
[07:49:26] <chromas> Maybe you're banned in France
[07:49:49] <chromas> your IP is associated with too much wrongthink
[07:51:08] <fab23> at least with Firefox you can set it to Off (or Off temporarily) to accept http:// on a site.
[07:53:26] <fab23> it looks like it is the combination of the IRC client parsing the URLs from Ingar, which have http:// and %20 (spaces) in the URL and giving that to the browser, which does go wrong on janrinok computer.
[07:54:00] <fab23> If Ingar does show an URL without spaces, then I think it does work just fine on janrinok computer.
[07:54:24] <chromas> so his IRC client is borking on the %20?
[07:55:00] <fab23> I think yes.
[07:57:26] <fab23> I am using WeeChat in tmux with iTerm2, and I think when URLs do have () in it, it also gets cut off, but it is seldom enough that I then do mark and copy the URL manually.
[07:59:16] <fab23> the other issue with a cli IRC client is line breaks in the URL as well, because the terminal is doing URL parsing and fails, unless I make the window wide enough so that the URL does fit on one line.
[07:59:16] <chromas> I don't even see any () in his own link. Seems like HexChat and/or ZNC has the AIDS
[07:59:55] <chromas> Usually terminals (on Linux at least) you can ctrl-click links and the terminal will send it to the browser
[08:00:16] <fab23> there are not () in that URL, it was just another example I sometimes see on my end as an similar issue.
[08:00:53] <fab23> same here on macOS, it just ist Command-click :)
[08:01:04] <chromas> ah. That's why I make my bot put in spaces ( http://link.tld ) :)
[08:01:35] <fab23> it is more with links like this one: https://en.wikipedia.org(number)
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[08:02:41] <chromas> ah
[08:02:45] <fab23> in my case it does cut off the last ) and so the URL does not work when Command-clicked
[08:02:58] <chromas> my client considers it part of the url but I could see others not
[08:10:35] <halibut> Ah ... so if janrinok were to manually copy and paste the URL into a browser address bar, it might work?
[08:10:51] <halibut> (as in the text of the link, not the link itself)?
[08:11:50] <halibut> Alternatively, try the link here: https://logs.soylentnews.org
[08:11:51] <systemd> ^ 0303#soylent | Logs for 2026-07-17 ( https://logs.soylentnews.org )
[08:19:42] <fab23> that one does work for me
[08:21:28] <fab23> ah, yes, the link out of the log works as well, was just confused that the log does not show the full URL but only the site part.
[08:21:47] <halibut> Sounds like you already knew the issue. Does your client show the correct link, but clicking on it gets it wrong, or does it not even show the correct link?
[08:22:08] <fab23> that question is probably for janrinok and not me.
[08:22:31] <halibut> Sorry, I thought you might have a similar issue.
[08:22:45] <fab23> in my WeeChat/tmux/iTerm2 setup the links from Ingar with %20 do work
[08:22:59] <fab23> I only see the issue with the () in URLs :)
[08:24:06] <fab23> but as mention, is seldom enough and not worth investigating further
[08:24:26] <halibut> I think I understand. It is really hard to get all this on a first pass without being able to see for myself what somebody else is seeing.
[08:25:02] <fab23> and know all the maybe adjusted / borked settings
[08:25:16] <halibut> I wonder ... as an example, I could give this made-up link: http://server.com
[08:25:16] <systemd> 05Error: HTTP 404 for http://server.com
[08:26:18] <halibut> I wonder if it would be possible for janrinok to copy the link itself (some equivalent of left-click and copy link), show that on one line, and then highlight the text of the link, copy that, and paste that on a different line. That might at least make the problem more visible.
[08:26:36] <halibut> janrinok: ^^^ Would you be willing to try that?
[10:44:22] <Ingar> I could replace all spaces in the filenams with underscores :-0
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[15:00:34] <janrinok> http://server.com
[15:00:34] <systemd> 05Error: HTTP 404 for http://server.com
[15:01:39] <janrinok> sorry - I've been a bit busy today, and I still have somethings I must do before tomorrow.... I will have same time later this evening (I hope)