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[06:11:13] <janrinok> I have to admit that I was surprised by the Project Freedom episode being blocked after only 48 hours. Now I learn from various sources that both Saudi Arabia and Kuwait told the US that they could not use any US bases in their countries or overfly in support of this operation.
[06:12:48] <janrinok> Once again, 'allies' were not consulted by the US Administration but just expected to do as they were told. It is backfiring badly on the US. I recently released images of the actual damage inflicted on US bases in the Gulf region shows far more than the US has so far admitted.
[06:13:45] <janrinok> If the US cannot even defend itself in the region why should any country rely on US defence of its own people?
[06:15:11] <janrinok> There has been no change in the Iranian position - they might want to end the war, but not on terms dictated to them. Perhaps Trump should write a new book, The Art of the Fiasco?
[06:15:51] <janrinok> America should go home. They have the best military in the world, but that isn't what is needed to solve every problem.
[06:17:27] <halibut> One might modify that old adage, if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Here, it is more like, if all you know how to do is hit things ...
[06:17:48] <janrinok> yep, that just about sums it up
[06:17:49] <halibut> The Art of the Taco?
[06:18:16] <halibut> The Mess of the Deal?
[06:18:26] <janrinok> Trump is not looking for the off ramp - he is looking for a way of spinning this as a success. I do not think it will achieve that.
[06:19:17] <halibut> Maybe a more subtle route: The Art of the Deel. Nothing quite says [lack of] competence like speling your buk's tittle corectly.
[06:20:00] <janrinok> Rubio states that all the aims of Epic Fury have been achieved. By my reckoning, none of them have. Iran is now more powerful in the region than they were before and they have successfully defeated the strongest military in the world. All they had to do was survive.
[06:21:00] <halibut> I have not read the book in question, and I would not be too surprised to learn that neither has anybody in Trump's cabinet (including Trump). However, I suspect they all think it says be strong and win.
[06:22:43] <janrinok> I don't know anyone who has read the book either.
[06:22:45] <halibut> I have known people who think they are great negotiators because they win almost all of their negotiations. They do not quite realize that they were always in a position of power, and when they are not, it goes poorly, and they assume it is somebody else's fault. I have difficulty tolerating such people.
[06:23:02] <halibut> That said, I would probably fall for the same trap if I was in a position of power more often than not.
[06:23:28] <janrinok> Perhaps we all would, but I am unlikely to ever achieve such a state...
[06:24:17] <halibut> The second paragraph of this is telling: https://en.wikipedia.org
[06:24:23] <systemd> ^ 0303The Art of the Deal - Wikipedia
[06:24:58] <janrinok> An interesting link :)
[06:26:50] <halibut> I am reading through it, but there is lots more expanding on that second paragraph.
[06:27:08] <janrinok> Lol - I am reading it too!
[06:27:58] <janrinok> It looks like Trump is describing another of his hallucinations again
[06:30:17] <janrinok> Short of nuclear war, how much damage can one man cause to the world? Europe is moving on without him, the Middle East will shortly be doing the same, and the overuse of the US military ammunition reserves has blunted their ability to do anything to counter the bigger problems that they face in the future.
[06:35:32] <halibut> I would think Donald is pretty far from the limit ... but I think doing more damage would require both intent and awareness. I still have not figured out if Donald is really unaware, or if he is aware and thinks its worth it for some reason.
[06:35:43] <halibut> I lean towards unaware.
[06:37:20] <halibut> This Iran war does seem a lot like the Iraq war from one of Donald's predecessors ... except maybe more so. Less plaster, more sledgehammer, to continue the building analogy.
[06:43:26] <halibut> Probably worth remembering that not only was the Strait of Hormuz open before this war, but before Trump, Iran actually had a deal to allow in inspectors to ensure it was not building nuclear weapons.
[06:52:30] <janrinok> .... but, but, that deal was done by Obama! Trump cannot accept anything that was done by that man. Now he will find it difficult if not impossible to recreate any deal that comes close to what the previous agreement achieved. But as you say, the situation in the region is now in a worse condition than it was before.
[07:08:33] <halibut> I would almost be willing to be Trump would be willing to nearly perfectly recreate a deal somebody made previously, and claim it as his own.
[07:08:41] <halibut> I just doubt Iran would accept that at this point.
[07:08:50] <halibut> (be -> bet)
[07:09:42] <halibut> He seems very much to sort to think that his name being on something is more of a material difference than the substance of the thing.
[07:25:01] <fab23> janrinok: not sure if you have seen this (posted it a while ago), regarding "short of nuclear war" -> https://blog.feld.me
[07:25:06] <systemd> ^ 0303Iran Would Already Have A Nuke
[07:30:32] <fab23> since many decades someone claims that Iran would have nuclear weapons soon, and nobody seems to believe that they don't want to build any.
[07:31:57] <fab23> I am not sure, but I guess enriched uran is also needed to be used in a nuclear power plant, and I think that Iran just tries to be independent in this regard.
[07:32:17] <fab23> s/uran/uranium/ ?
[07:48:30] <halibut> AS I understand it, you can get a pretty good reactor with Uranium that is nowhere near enriched to the degree you need for a weapon.
[08:11:39] <janrinok> halibut, you are correct. Uranium that is enriched to the level that Iran has achieved is usually only required (after further processing) for nuclear weapons.
[08:12:13] <janrinok> AFK - got to go lay a wreath at a ceremony in the village. Back in a few hours time.
[08:12:15] <fab23> I did read some magazin article recently, that Israel and Iran where allies not so long ago (a few decades) but then religion got into the way and they started to fight.
[08:27:47] <janrinok> https://www.youtube.com
[08:27:49] <systemd> ^ 0303Trump SURRENDER Explained: Saudi BLOCKED US Airbases
[08:40:48] <Ingar> fab23: WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION
[08:41:12] <Ingar> I think that moniker has been used before
[08:41:26] <fab23> Ingar: which did not exist in Iraq, another country in that region where the USA started a war.
[08:49:53] <Ingar> janrinok: https://www.wsj.com
[08:49:54] <systemd> 05Error: HTTP 401 for https://www.wsj.com
[08:50:01] <Ingar> eh what
[08:50:38] <Ingar> fab23: and COlin Powell knew
[10:34:14] <c0lo> the 555 timer makes just 55 this year
[10:34:34] <c0lo> https://www.youtube.com
[10:34:36] <systemd> ^ 0303EEVblog 1746 - The 555 is 55 Years Old!
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