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[08:07:53] <Ingar> it is the sound... of silence
[08:08:30] <Ingar> (hello soylent my old friend, I've come to talk to you again)
[08:17:43] <halibut_> (because a story softly-y writing ...)
[08:32:16] <janrinok> Morning Ingar, halibut_
[08:39:40] <Ingar> good morning janrinok
[08:39:58] <Ingar> there's even some sunlight! a welcome change
[10:09:54] <janrinok> Yes, I have been outside. It isn't exactly warm but it is a pleasant sunny day (so far)
[11:30:50] <AlwaysNever> I've learnt that Let's Encrypt is now "playing" with 6-day SSL/TLS certificates, apparently the new 47-day horizon for SSL/TLS certs is not enough... https://letsencrypt.org
[11:30:50] <systemd> ^ 036-day and IP Address Certificates are Generally Available
[11:31:27] <AlwaysNever> It's gonna be a hell of a ride
[11:33:48] <AlwaysNever> I've Apple and Google jump on that wagon, it's gonna be an espectacle to watch
[11:33:55] <AlwaysNever> *If Apple...
[11:35:54] <AlwaysNever> Also, for those arguing that SSL/TLS provides attestation of website/webservice ownership, the answer is not it doesn't unless you also control the underlying network, behold: https://notes.valdikss.org.ru
[11:36:01] <systemd> ^ 03Encrypted traffic interception on Hetzner and Linode targeting the largest Russian XMPP (Jabber) messaging service
[11:37:07] <AlwaysNever> meaning: If I can mangle the TCP/IP traffic, I can get an SSL/TLS certificate for your website
[11:45:44] <AlwaysNever> Also, the day Let's Encrypt does a surprise cease-of-operations, you better have the popcorn ready, LOL
[11:47:18] <AlwaysNever> First sneackly standardize a hard-to-maintain subscription-based tech via providing a free-offer, then remove the free-offer
[11:50:52] <AlwaysNever> the end-game is clear in my opinion: you want to broadcast yourself in the Internet?, well you do it through an authorized "platform", or you don't do it; gotta keep those hippies out of the game
[11:58:34] <fab23> we should get DANE (TLSA) properly implemented in browsers and mail-clients, smtp servers, so we can start using self signed certificates
[11:58:35] <Ingar> Fortunately, Microsoft can do that for you with its mandatory cloud login and TPM chip!
[12:01:11] <Ingar> (being your authorized platform, that is)
[12:13:34] <AlwaysNever> It would be interesting some Chromium fork that does allow the users to self-maintain a whitelist of self-signed certificates so that those don't show a security warning on the screen
[12:14:49] <AlwaysNever> I understand Chromium-based browsers currently don't allow for that, the only option is to add a new "private" Root Certificate Authority, which is "too much"
[12:16:47] <AlwaysNever> and with an strict relationship between manually-whitelisted-selfsigned-certificate and any given user-designated website
[12:17:25] <AlwaysNever> basically, the way TOFU works for SSH
[14:53:42] <chromas> The fork could also just stop bitching about self-signed certs since there's nothing at all wrong with 'em
[14:56:30] <janrinok> All fun and games in the US Govt!....
[14:57:00] <janrinok> Simple quiz - who is the President of the United States of America?
[14:58:00] <chromas> Net & Yahoo
[15:49:55] <AlwaysNever> If you are cold this winter, this reading could possible make you blood boil a little: https://googlechrome.github.io (or, how Google is bossing around the Certification Authorities).
[15:49:55] <systemd> ^ 03Moving Forward, Together ( https://googlechrome.github.io )
[15:50:31] <AlwaysNever> quote: "Promote agility through reduced certificate lifetimes" (agility is free, I presume).
[15:55:45] <AlwaysNever> in that Google document they are so high in their neat ivory tower, you need an oxigen mask to read it without fainting
[16:14:09] <ted-ious> It means that the ca's can shut down websites that their oligarch owners don't like much faster.
[16:22:29] <fab23> https://letsencrypt.org
[16:22:31] <systemd> ^ 036-day and IP Address Certificates are Generally Available
[16:27:59] <janrinok> https://www.youtube.com
[16:28:01] <systemd> ^ 03Trump DESTROYED as JD Vance Drops SHOCKING Impeachment Bombshell
[16:30:29] <fab23> suspicious
[16:30:32] <AlwaysNever> Trump + impeachment ? I'll click, that bait cannot go unbitten
[16:32:52] <AlwaysNever> bluffff, it's just wild especulation by a political commentator
[16:33:56] <AlwaysNever> also, I'm not sure a botched impeachment of Donaldo Trumpo would be a good thing, it would provoke unrest for sure, people would die on the streets, not nice
[16:34:09] <janrinok> https://www.youtube.com
[16:34:12] <systemd> ^ 03BREAKING: 25th Amendment INVOKED
[16:34:18] <janrinok> This one is better
[16:35:01] <janrinok> 25th Amendment Article 4 has been invoked.
[16:36:22] <AlwaysNever> the Senate is for sale, since the Romans invented it, votes will be bought, oligarchs have that thing called money
[16:37:07] <fab23> We will see if he will be at the WEF Davos on Wednesday :)
[16:37:48] <AlwaysNever> nice place to meet with Delcy and do some sweet petrol deals
[16:38:38] <AlwaysNever> also Delcy could give him Maduro's toothbrush, so Donaldo can pass it on
[16:39:16] <AlwaysNever> he departed the Presidential palace in a hurry, surely he forgot to pack many things
[16:41:04] <AlwaysNever> by the way, I call him Donaldo Trumpo because his banana-republic style of gobernment makes it fitting
[16:43:22] <janrinok> I cannot find anything in any other reporting. Not sure of the validity of the videos.
[16:43:54] <AlwaysNever> janrinok: I think we have been click-baited
[16:44:43] <ted-ious> AlwaysNever: If the senate is for sale why would you believe that anything it does is not fake news?
[16:45:52] <AlwaysNever> Is not that the Senate is for sale exactly, it's more that it has already been bought and has an owner
[16:46:05] <ted-ious> Those impeachments will go nowhere and do nothing but funnel billions to a bunch of fake news outlets as they pretend to cover it like journalists.
[16:46:15] <AlwaysNever> gotta respect property
[16:47:06] <ted-ious> What this says to me is that some big things are planned that the people won't like so they need some big distractions.
[16:47:09] <AlwaysNever> I agree the impeachment attempt will go nowhere, in fact the worst possible thing would be for it to succeed
[16:48:01] <ted-ious> I used to be worried that the right wing would rise up and turn violent because of the corruption being used against them but that hasn't happened.
[16:48:15] <AlwaysNever> I sure hope not seeing ever again the "bisonte man" on TV...
[16:48:29] <ted-ious> So now I think everything I hear about trump is all just distractions.
[16:49:16] <AlwaysNever> well, there is definetly "something" about Donaldo Trumpo, if you know what I mean
[16:49:19] <ted-ious> Trump supporters have shown themselves to be just as ignorant and ineffectual npc's as democrats.
[16:49:32] <ted-ious> Trump is an excellent distraction.
[16:49:44] <ted-ious> Probably the most effectiev president we've ever had.
[16:53:38] <AlwaysNever> his method is simple and very effective: provoke chaos, and present himself as the solution to chaos
[16:54:16] <AlwaysNever> not to imply that Sleepy Joe was any good, either
[16:55:27] <AlwaysNever> Sleepe Joe tactic was more of let chaos happen by itself, and look the other way
[16:56:41] <ted-ious> I don't think either of them were actually in charge of anything.
[16:57:30] <ted-ious> So regardless of any chaos trump might provoke it's not like he's actually doing anything about anything.
[16:58:40] <AlwaysNever> ted-ious: oh, man. He *IS* doing plenty, domestically and abroad too ; what remains to be seen if whether all that "doing" achieved any good to the USA interests
[17:00:26] <AlwaysNever> USA raised because it had something to offer to the world (and it was not "democracy"), Donaldo Trumpo wants to keep USA above by taking things away from the world
[17:00:45] <AlwaysNever> so the empire is in decay
[17:02:30] <ted-ious> I think you are being distracted by trump's acting and think that it's actually him doing any of this stuff.
[17:02:50] <ted-ious> He's president only in name.
[17:03:22] <ted-ious> Remember when he ordered the us military to withdraw from syria in his first administration and they ignored him?
[17:03:56] <ted-ious> That's literally a death penalty offense in the ucmj but nobody even got demoted for it.
[17:04:06] <AlwaysNever> I'm quite an skeptic, but not that far as to be a conspirationist
[17:04:54] <AlwaysNever> probably the issue was totally missreported by "the press"
[17:04:55] <ted-ious> You can read plenty of main stream news reporting on it if the word conspiracy scares you. :)
[17:05:27] <ted-ious> Trump made his own public statements and tweets etc.
[17:06:36] <ted-ious> You can confirm his orders and you can confirm from the monthly casualty reports that his orders were ignored and us troops and contractors remained in syria.
[17:06:39] <AlwaysNever> Trump say one thing and it's opposite all the time, it's his "deal style", he named the lapsed Ukrainian president a dictator, then he kept meeting with him, and so on
[17:07:08] <AlwaysNever> he provokes chaos, then he plays his hand in the chaos to "make his deal"
[17:07:24] <ted-ious> Don't you see a difference between trash talk and military orders by the commander in chief?
[17:07:52] <ted-ious> I don't think I'm making myself clear enough.
[17:08:17] <ted-ious> None of these supposed trump deals are trump deals.
[17:08:45] <ted-ious> They are deals to benefit the people who control trump not for the united states of america.
[17:08:46] <AlwaysNever> you are making yourself clear, I just think you take too seriously the theatre that Donaldo Trumpo displays, it's his style: make chaos, profit from it.
[17:09:03] <ted-ious> Like this nonsense about greenland has nothing to do with american national security.
[17:09:46] <ted-ious> It's going to result in a handfull of oligarchs making lots of money on exploitation of national resources etc.
[17:10:11] <ted-ious> Bro I'm the one who has been saying for ages that trump should not be taken seriously. :)
[17:10:20] <Ingar> oh my, you'd really think so? who would have guessed
[17:10:35] <ted-ious> Because everything he does is a distraction to hide what's really going on and who is really benefitting.
[17:10:41] <fab23> Just read that when he does not get Greenland, he will put 25% tariffs on EU, fine with me, whoever does import into the USA does pay it :)
[17:10:58] <ted-ious> He's just doing his professional wrestling shtick on a larger stage.
[17:12:21] <AlwaysNever> import tariffs could kill some domestic industries in the EU, they are no joke
[17:13:13] <AlwaysNever> one thing is for sure: Donaldo Trumpo sure knows how to give a show, and for that I am grateful
[17:13:59] <AlwaysNever> (probably because I'm far away from domestic upheaval in the uSA)
[17:14:23] <fab23> If the products from EU (or Europe in general) are the things the USA does import, then there may be reasons (eg. quality and stuff), else they would already have other sources which are cheaper.
[17:14:58] <AlwaysNever> fab32: your neoliberal stance of that, is just a portion of the whole picture
[17:15:38] <fab23> The value of USD to EUR/CHF has sunken a lot already in the last year, so the price of the products may already have risen
[17:16:20] <AlwaysNever> the market does regulate itseld, usually by bankrupting people and destroying lifes
[17:17:01] <fab23> see https://www.oanda.com
[17:17:03] <systemd> ^ 03Currency Converter | Foreign Exchange Rates | OANDA
[17:17:24] <fab23> there where times wenn USD = EUR (or CHF) where 1 = 1
[17:17:46] <AlwaysNever> there is a reason legions of people want "to retire", to remove themselves from the whims of "the market"
[17:25:23] <AlwaysNever> also, the USD exchange rate is nothing to go by, as USD is the currency used to internationally trade resources and therefore is free to be minted at will, for it will always be in demand
[17:26:20] <AlwaysNever> which means the USA gets resource almost for free, but they still want to get the surpluses of the transactions
[17:26:52] <AlwaysNever> cue in: "we will manage Venenzuela's oil"
[17:30:26] <fab23> with the help of some Swiss companies :-(
[17:31:20] <AlwaysNever> Swiss "companies" are the lubricant of money :-)
[17:48:31] <chromas> janrinok gettin'g fooled by ai vids :(
[17:48:36] * chromas emails him some new glasses
[17:51:43] <fab23> chromas: with an AI filter? :)
[17:52:00] <AlwaysNever> with deep fakes, the "fake media" is more present that ever (it was never absent, anyway)
[17:52:03] <chromas> or detector, since his seems broken
[17:52:38] <chromas> the fakeness of those vids (especially with the on-screen anchor) is extremely obvious
[17:56:40] <ted-ious> I would like to show them to a bunch of kids of different ages and see how many of them are smart enough to recognize it.
[17:56:46] <AlwaysNever> an inhinged enough domestic situation sometimes is undistinguisable from pure fiction
[17:56:56] <AlwaysNever> *unhinged
[17:57:17] <ted-ious> Right but why would somebody believe either?
[17:59:47] <AlwaysNever> well, would you believe some years ago that Racial Police would be patrolling American cities? Just asking.
[18:00:00] <chromas> We still don't have that
[18:00:20] <chromas> but also I wouldn't believe it if I saw an obviously-AI video saying it was true
[18:00:24] <AlwaysNever> yes you do have it, but perhaps you don't want it pointed
[18:00:52] <chromas> deporting isn't race-based and they're doing the same thing they've been for decades and decades and decades
[18:01:06] <AlwaysNever> when the Black Panters come back from the dead, it says something
[18:01:30] <chromas> Black Panters I guess you could call racial police
[18:01:36] <AlwaysNever> I don't know about the deporting side, the the questioning and harassing is certainly race based
[18:01:48] <AlwaysNever> and that is Racial Police
[18:02:14] <chromas> Yeah people keep saying that's happening but never point to any instances
[18:02:20] <AlwaysNever> I kwnow, it sucks to be USAian now
[18:03:06] <AlwaysNever> you need the evident to be pointed to you? good, it certainly affords denial of evil
[18:03:11] <chromas> Sure 'cause our politicians are leveraging immigrants to funnel money into their pockets
[18:03:29] <chromas> sounds like flat earth theory
[18:03:34] <chromas> "it's so obvious"
[18:03:44] <AlwaysNever> yeah, it must be
[18:05:03] <AlwaysNever> chromas: Black Panters is a reaction-movement, they probably are reacting to the moon phase, who knows?
[18:07:07] <chromas> ICE is full of black and Mexican guys, almost all the protestors are old whiteys. If anything the Panters are gearing up to contain the karens
[18:09:35] <AlwaysNever> chromas: I guess you buy JD Vance discourse the Renee Good was a domestic terrorist tragically killed in a justified act of self defense by a national heroe
[18:10:05] <AlwaysNever> man, I love this CIRCUS
[18:10:34] <chromas> I didn't hear him talk about it, but considering she was following ICE around to "document" them and parked her car sideways in the middle of the road, it's definitely not just dropping her kids off at school like people were lying
[18:11:21] <chromas> but you're getting completely off-topic, which is those two videos are computer-generated and have nothing to do with reality
[18:11:24] <AlwaysNever> Oh, so she protesting ICE puts her in the "deserved it" category?
[18:12:11] <AlwaysNever> that's not the USA the world admired, let me tell you
[18:12:18] <chromas> disobeying the cops and then trying to drive off and hitting one of the cops with a multi-ton(ne (for Brits)) vehicle does that
[18:14:44] <AlwaysNever> Ok, so yes you buy JD Vance discoruse about Renee Good: https://www.youtube.com (the Jesuitic language bending is next level)
[18:14:46] <systemd> ^ 03LIVE: White House press briefing with JD Vance
[18:15:43] <AlwaysNever> Executive abstract: Renee Good was the attacker, the killer is a national hero
[18:16:08] <chromas> so agreeing with him on something means
[18:16:37] <AlwaysNever> JD Vance is a quite polished and well articulate politician, it almost pains me see him doing this
[18:16:49] <chromas> still not acknowledging the original point of the videos being fake bullshit designed to stir the pot
[18:16:49] <ted-ious> LOL
[18:18:40] <ted-ious> Youtube should remove the live tag from videos that are days old.
[18:19:08] <AlwaysNever> It was recorded live, it's not edited or post-produced
[18:19:11] <chromas> it's part of the title
[18:19:25] <ted-ious> It's still not live anymore.
[18:19:50] <AlwaysNever> yeah, let's focus on that and not in the subject matter, lol
[18:19:59] <chromas> so google needs to put in a regex to match "live" substrings and delete them?
[18:20:12] <chromas> the subject matter is boomers believing fake videos
[18:20:20] <ted-ious> I agree she should have forced the members of the media who were present to watch all the videos that show the different angles.
[18:21:25] <AlwaysNever> JD Vance: "I would appreciate everybody say a prayer for that agent", I JUST LOVE IT
[18:21:30] <ted-ious> Force every station to show all the video or lose their broadcast licenses.
[18:21:37] <chromas> Seeing all the angles doesn't change the minds of true believers, just like with Nick Sandman
[18:21:57] <AlwaysNever> the agent certainly will need prayer to vouch for him then Judgement Day comes
[18:21:58] <ted-ious> Hmm you maybe right.
[18:23:07] <chromas> Maybe if there was an AI vid of her running him over with blood spatter then they'd believe it
[18:25:00] <ted-ious> Well one of the angles shows his legs being knocked out from under him.
[18:26:05] <ted-ious> At this point anybody who thinks an ice agent just murdered a random motorist for no reason simple doesn't care about learning the truth.
[18:26:24] <ted-ious> So I don't know why they would bother talking about it.
[18:26:50] <AlwaysNever> the woman was leaving the scene, the ICE agent went running to block her from going away, she tried to go around him, he shot her several times, what's the justification for the point blank shot into here head done from the SIDE WINDOW? so that he makes sure she, that dangerous gangsteresse, did not respond to his fire? and the departig salute of "Fucking bitch", would point to a certain issue managing ire?
[18:27:00] <chromas> Even if she didn't hit him, if he thought she was going to he could still shoot her, per last year's shiny new Minnesota law
[18:27:12] <chromas> AlwaysNever: you're lying and you know it
[18:27:44] <chromas> She'd been sitting sideways in the road for at least a few minutes. The officer was able to walk all the way around her vehicle while she was still sitting there
[18:28:43] <AlwaysNever> I am not lying. So glad this case is so useful for people to show their inner thoughts
[18:29:00] <ted-ious> Is fleeing the scene of an arrest a felony or misdomeanor?
[18:29:03] <chromas> if you think you're not lying then you didn't see much video
[18:29:29] <AlwaysNever> thanks for telling me how much of the videos I've watched
[18:30:01] <ted-ious> AlwaysNever: Didn't you see any of them that show the agent being hit?
[18:30:02] <chromas> You can't possibly have seen the whole thing and also believe that he came running up to stop her from leaving
[18:30:32] <ted-ious> There are several to choose from.
[18:32:12] <AlwaysNever> look, it's clear the agent was framing here to detain her, and when he show her leaving he could not endure it and shot her
[18:32:37] <AlwaysNever> that's banana republic level of police behaviour
[18:32:43] <chromas> She's not allowed to leave once officers tell her to climb out
[18:33:02] <AlwaysNever> she's not allowed to == gotta shot here ??
[18:33:10] <chromas> he gets to shoot her if he thinks he's in danger
[18:33:26] <AlwaysNever> yeah, utter danger
[18:34:34] <chromas> What's funny is she's out there defending pedos and she's somehow the one to get lefties to be pro-white again
[18:34:40] <AlwaysNever> the fact is ICE Racial Police is staffed with people who have not gone to Police Academy nor are prepared to deal with the public
[18:35:05] <chromas> Prove it
[18:35:09] <chromas> Name one
[18:35:43] * chromas looks at lefty checklist
[18:36:06] <chromas> ☑️ They didn't get any training
[18:36:08] <chromas> another one checked
[18:36:33] <chromas> Anyhow, anything to avoid admitting you believed fake AI videos
[18:38:28] <AlwaysNever> chromas: what you talking about that I believed fake AI videos, I literally said "bluffff, it's just wild especulation by a political commentator", I dismissed it as not ground on facts
[18:38:58] <AlwaysNever> what are you talking about? Do you use to make things up all the time?
[18:39:49] <chromas> at least you finally responded about the vids
[18:40:10] <chromas> I'm going off alternate facts, like you with Renée :)
[18:41:20] <chromas> pot 75% stirred. We need to mention Venezuela some more and maybe China
[18:46:16] <AlwaysNever> also, let me tell you I resent you associating me with anything "lefty", I've defended Donaldo Trumpo several times in this very chat, but you know, "how" policies are enforced matters too
[18:49:14] <AlwaysNever> I somehow expected better execution from Donaldo Trumpo
[18:49:30] <AlwaysNever> yeah, I'm guilty of that
[18:51:43] <AlwaysNever> this affair of roaming brigades of Racial Police will not end well
[18:55:16] <AlwaysNever> also, as I've said just above, I think impeaching Donaldo Trumpo would be a very bad thing to do
[18:56:26] <ted-ious> LOL
[18:56:48] <ted-ious> Defending donald trump is npc behavior.
[18:57:17] <AlwaysNever> he is executing poorly, that's for sure
[18:57:27] <ted-ious> Impeaching donald trump happened twice already and there were no significant consequences.
[18:57:58] <AlwaysNever> I understand "impeaching" as "legally" removing him from the White House
[18:57:59] <ted-ious> It will probably happen more times and there are probably not going to be any consequences then either.
[18:58:46] <ted-ious> AlwaysNever: I was speaking about your defense of donald trump not chromas who seems to understand how fake politics is.
[18:59:57] <AlwaysNever> I don't see chromas at all as being above the political strife, to be honest; someone who sees politics as fake, takes no sides
[19:00:28] <ted-ious> You don't have to sign up for a political party to recognize truth.
[19:01:02] <AlwaysNever> Oh, see, it's not that there are two sides, it just one side and the utter nothing, LOL
[19:01:07] <ted-ious> And the truth is that we have millions of democrats losing their minds over here because they are completely ignorant of the truth of what happened.
[19:01:35] <ted-ious> In this situation one side has some truth and the other side has no truth.
[19:02:05] <ted-ious> Therefore intelligent people judge the truth free side as being stupid and bad for society.
[19:02:19] <ted-ious> I hope you are intelligent enough to see that.
[19:02:38] <AlwaysNever> ok, a-ha, I see, it's clear now, thanks for pointing it out
[19:04:00] <AlwaysNever> when a world view is based on the belief that 50% of population is "bad for society", do you know what you get: a civil war
[19:04:32] <AlwaysNever> whatever, I'll get my popcorn and watch from the other side of the pond
[19:05:08] <ted-ious> Your word games are rude and indicate bad faith.
[19:05:37] <AlwaysNever> ok, I'll stick to my pop corn and let your truth unfold itself
[19:12:12] <AlwaysNever> We had a civil war in Spain exactly 90 years ago, it lasted 3 years, a million people died, the memories are still alive. "Winner takes all, crushes the loser" a little to much, and that is what you'll get too
[19:15:09] <ted-ious> That's the civil war where one side didn't like watching churches full of clergy being set on fire or nuns being raped and overthrew the other side right?
[19:15:39] <ted-ious> But we woudn't want to pick side because that would be wrong for some reason.
[19:16:55] <AlwaysNever> that's what happens when you break the social fabric and let the most radicals of both side take control, be prepared
[19:17:54] <ted-ious> It's bad to let radicals overthrow nun raping communists?
[19:19:20] <AlwaysNever> if you had any actual knowledge, instead of being spouting twisted facts, you would kwno that those atrocieties only began to happen when the Gobernment was overthrown and anarchy ensued
[19:19:52] <AlwaysNever> and that is also why I think impeaching Donaldo Trumpo would be a bad thing to do
[19:20:09] <ted-ious> I don't claim to be an expert but I do certainly know that the persecution started before the communists had fully siezed power.
[19:20:55] <ted-ious> That was a major reason why americans and brits traveled to spain to fight in a losing war.
[19:20:56] <AlwaysNever> the communists didn't "seized power", they formed an unified electoral block and won an election,
[19:21:43] <ted-ious> So the violence before the election doesn't count why?
[19:23:26] <AlwaysNever> the burning of churches happened after the elected gobernment was toppled and the Catholic Church supported that, it goes to ilustrate that playing dangerous games with deposing Gobernments never ends well
[19:24:42] <ted-ious> I guess that's an example confirmation of the quote that you can vote your way into a communist dictatorship but you have to shoot your way out.
[19:25:33] <ted-ious> We should be glad that it didn't cost another 60 million lives to undo the soviet union.
[19:26:16] <AlwaysNever> lol, it can also be said that you can vote your way into a Nazi dictatorship but others have to come shot your way for you out of it
[19:26:50] <AlwaysNever> you are heavy into the "taking sides" business
[19:29:44] <AlwaysNever> not to worry, time will tame your enthusiasm
[19:36:10] <ted-ious> If you think that I have taken the side of donaldo trumpo then I have utterly failed in my communications and have nothing else I can do.
[19:39:04] <AlwaysNever> you have taken the side of thinking "the others" are "bad for society", or it sounds like so; when "the others" are plenty, then that point of view by definition becomes a radical point of view
[19:40:13] <AlwaysNever> you don't really know what is "bad for society" until the world around you totally collpases
[19:48:16] <AlwaysNever> I can tell you that I empathize with many Americans who think/thought that their country was on the way to hell, and that a change in policies was very needed; but those policies have to be executed gradually and carefully, not letting the ugly manners cancel the worthiness of the aimed for target
[19:50:11] <AlwaysNever> its called the Art of Politics, but it looks like Donaldo Trumpo only knows the Art of the Deal
[19:52:24] <AlwaysNever> it remains me of the Ancient Rome, when a victorios general came from a campaing and did a triumph parade in aclamation of the people, the slave in his charriot holding the laurel wreath was tasked with telling him "remember you're a mortal human"
[19:53:12] <AlwaysNever> Donaldo Trumpo in on his way to lose his mind to the toxic spirits of power
[20:07:06] <chromas> But he's doing a few good things along the way
[20:13:06] <chromas> Since we won't agree on reality, maybe we should discuss food. Do yo uhave any favorite squash recipes? I've got a bunch and I've just been frying them with potatoes
[20:33:10] <AlwaysNever> isn't squash a racket game?
[20:37:55] <AlwaysNever> the circus is going on: lookie here: https://www.youtube.com
[20:37:58] <systemd> ^ 03#fypyoutube #videoviral #latinosunidos
[20:39:43] <chromas> Some guy yelling and other guys standing around. Speaking of making a racket
[20:44:02] <AlwaysNever> the guys standing around is a roaming brigade of Racial Police, little detail there
[21:04:10] <AlwaysNever> Germans are getting wind of it all too: https://www.youtube.com
[21:04:13] <systemd> ^ 03German vs ICE Officer
[21:29:22] <AlwaysNever> ICE hiring practices: https://www.youtube.com (let's asume they are not lying, for a second)
[21:29:25] <systemd> ^ 03Journalist Tests ICE Recruitment; Surprised to Find Herself Hired with No Background Check
[21:30:23] <AlwaysNever> so much por "police academy time"
[22:24:06] <ted-ious> "They didn't ask very many questions." Independent journalist and U.S. military veteran Laura Jedeed recounts howshe was hired as a deportation officer by Immigration and Customs Enforcement after a six-minute interview at a job fair in Texas, despite never signing any paperwork, not having completed a background check, likely failing a drug test, and publicly sharing her opposition to the Trump
[22:24:12] <ted-ious> administration and its anti-immigrant crackdown.
[22:24:25] <ted-ious> This is why I don't watch democracy now anymore.
[22:25:18] <ted-ious> They are so dishonest it shames me to think of all the time I wasted.
[22:26:13] <ted-ious> If this alleged military veteran applied for an ice job she would have been assumed to already have passed a background check and probably still has a security clearance.
[22:26:46] <ted-ious> Her hiring would be provisional upon the background check completing successfully just like the drug test.
[22:27:43] <ted-ious> If she failed either they would have either fired her before she finished training or else done whatever they could to work with her and remediate the problem.
[22:28:29] <ted-ious> The fact that they would hire somebody who opposes the trump administration is just futher proof that one of the two parties has more principles than the other at present.
[22:28:53] <ted-ious> I assure you a democrat administration would not be as accomodating.
[22:32:38] <AlwaysNever> that makes sense, because the brigade members of the Racial Policy I've seen, they all look like very polished and professional.
[22:33:37] <AlwaysNever> for a change, here is some hippie view of the matter: https://www.youtube.com
[22:33:40] <systemd> ^ 03Fellow Americans We Have A Problem And The Whole World Is Watching
[22:38:25] <ted-ious> Oh she was a military intelligence collector.
[22:38:59] <ted-ious> So that means she had at least ts clearance and probably ts-sci.
[22:40:17] <ted-ious> Also her hyperbole about not passing a drug test is deceptive because she admits to using cannabis but that's probably no longer disqualifiable under the current schedule.
[22:40:49] <ted-ious> They are testing for opiates and such.
[22:43:24] <AlwaysNever> so a military veteran is immediately qualified to do police work with civilians? Good to know.
[22:44:11] <ted-ious> After 6 months of training and office work I don't see why not.
[22:44:33] <ted-ious> And she would be working as a deportation officer to deport non-citizens not civilians.
[22:45:07] <ted-ious> This kind of word twisting is very familiar to me I grew up with it all around me.
[22:47:22] <AlwaysNever> non-citizens are civilians too, who is "word twisting" here? LOL
[22:48:01] <ted-ious> Illegal aliens are not civilians because they are non-citizens in the country illegally.
[22:48:45] <ted-ious> That is obvious to anyone honest who bothers to think about how our legal system works for a moment.
[22:49:27] <ted-ious> Their status is similar to unlawful combatants but not quite as bad as spies.
[22:50:23] <AlwaysNever> anyhow, there are more newer and better news: Donaldo Trumpo has published a "tweet" in his social network saying we is punishing Denmark, Norway, Sweden, France, Germany, UK, Holland and Finland with an extra 10% tariff, and then an extra 25% tariff after June 1st 2026, if Greenland is not sold to the USA
[22:50:26] <AlwaysNever> lovily
[22:50:43] <AlwaysNever> I knew this pop corn here was goint to be put to good usage
[22:51:04] <AlwaysNever> civilians is anyone non-military, by definition
[22:53:16] <AlwaysNever> I never believed the crazy narrative that Donaldo Trumpo is a Russian asset, but man you gotta have your doubts about it now
[22:55:41] <AlwaysNever> but yeah, I get it: illegal aliens (previously known as irregular immigrants) are "similar to unlawful combatants", OK.
[22:56:05] <ted-ious> Ask a lawyer if you like.
[22:57:45] <AlwaysNever> an "unlawful combatant" is a hostile and dangerous entity, an "illegal alien" is just someone with a burocratic status in non-compliance
[22:58:36] <AlwaysNever> if you cannot grasp the difference, I'm affraid I cannot help you further in your discerning
[22:58:54] <ted-ious> Hmm that's interesting.
[22:59:20] <ted-ious> I really messed up when I assumed you were some kind of european centrist.
[22:59:56] <ted-ious> I dismissed all the leftist language that I recognized but I shouldn't have.
[23:03:51] <AlwaysNever> you seem very focused on taggin me this or that, while ignoring the substance of the matter
[23:04:28] <AlwaysNever> even if I was Lenin or Franco revived, the substance of the argument is what matters
[23:05:45] <AlwaysNever> brigades of Racial Police is patrolling your streets, and you don't seem to bat an eye
[23:07:01] <ted-ious> I guess you weren't around when I discussed how I come from a family of politically active democrat party members so I am completely aware of how your language works.
[23:07:54] <ted-ious> So for example your use of the dreaded r-word holds absolutely no fear for me because I grew up knowing how to use it as a weapon.
[23:08:02] <AlwaysNever> you keep taking it to a personal level about "you" and "me", but I what to talk about the "events" not about "us"
[23:08:15] <ted-ious> And I know that deep down it is meaningless.
[23:08:34] <ted-ious> Right and I recognize your praxis for doing so.
[23:10:12] <AlwaysNever> Ok, so you point is: reasoning arguments is useless, because you have this or that background and that identity-based "truth" trumps everything else
[23:10:27] <ted-ious> Your claims to be only discussing events or facts or such are obviously bad faith because you refuse to expose yourself to inconvenient facts like the videos that contradict your position or black letter law regarding the status of a criminal who violates immigration law.
[23:11:05] <ted-ious> someone with a burocratic status in non-compliance lol.
[23:12:02] <ted-ious> That's the kind of thing democrat indoctrinators teach kids to call it. :)
[23:13:42] <AlwaysNever> the unlawful presence of an immigrant is a civil law violation (see?, they ARE civilians), but who cares, right?
[23:14:06] <ted-ious> It absolutely is not and I suspect you know that.
[23:14:36] <ted-ious> You can find the specific crimes and punishment guidelines in the us criminal code if you want to.
[23:14:44] <AlwaysNever> I repeat: "the unlawful presence of an immigrant is a civil law violation". Check it out, and stop saying nonsense
[23:15:46] <AlwaysNever> there is no crime in the Criminal Law where the punishment is deportation
[23:16:02] <AlwaysNever> easy enough to grasp
[23:16:27] <AlwaysNever> and there are not punishments in Criminal Law but those written in Criminal Law
[23:19:32] <ted-ious> LOL
[23:19:42] <ted-ious> Who told you this nonsense?
[23:20:35] <AlwaysNever> would you care to quote where the Criminal Law of the USA states "deportation" as punishment, please?
[23:21:22] <ted-ious> 8 USC 1228 and 1229 specifically address deportation.
[23:21:39] <ted-ious> But you won't find it with a grep because the word the law uses is removal.
[23:21:49] <ted-ious> Detention and removal to be precise.
[23:23:14] <AlwaysNever> 8 U.S.C. 1228 is not part of Criminal Law (Title 18). It is part of Immigration Law (Title 8)
[23:23:23] <AlwaysNever> lol
[23:26:07] <ted-ious> I don't know who is telling you that but I assure you if you are brought into immigration court it will not be because somebody sued you nor can you resolve your status by paying a judgement in cash.
[23:26:23] <AlwaysNever> deportation is a civil matter for civilians who are infringing Immigration Law, which is a Civil Law
[23:26:44] <AlwaysNever> now you are twisting words to fit your agenda
[23:27:15] <ted-ious> I'm telling you how the american legal system actually works.
[23:27:42] <ted-ious> I presume you've never been inside an american courthouse or responded to summons etc.
[23:27:49] <AlwaysNever> you are telling me that deportations happen, I am tellign you under which legal umbrella they happen
[23:30:39] <ted-ious> Right and it's most definitely not civil court.
[23:31:31] <AlwaysNever> my point stands: "the unlawful presence of an immigrant is a civil law violation, and it per se is not a criminal offense"
[23:32:46] <ted-ious> This is interesting I didn't realize it was a felony to assist an illegal alien by transporting sheltering or assisting him to obtain employment.
[23:33:12] <ted-ious> I guess that makes sense as it's esentially criminal conspiracy.
[23:33:17] <AlwaysNever> but equated those to "Their status is similar to unlawful combatants", which I'm sorry but is utter nonsense
[23:33:57] <AlwaysNever> it makes sense because that is human traffiking
[23:33:57] <ted-ious> But it looks like hiring them without verifying work authorization is only a misdemeanor.
[23:35:14] <AlwaysNever> human traffiking is modern-day slavery commerce