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[00:10:43] <Runaway> Well then - new router is up and running, and all the apparent "lag" that I've experienced is gone. Click a link, and I MIGHT wait for a whole second for it to load.
[00:11:43] <Runaway> I'm hoping, among other things, that I'm no longer disconnected from IRC multiple times per day.
[00:36:48] <AlwaysNever> Runaway: from this IRC I am disconnected about every two days, but I don't know if the problem in on my side or not.
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[01:14:10] <Runaway> That's interesting AlwaysNever
[01:14:58] <Runaway> I've always assumed all the problem was at my end, or at least most of the problem.
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[10:52:55] <Ingar> Runaway1956: you jinxed it
[11:04:47] <AlwaysNever> In GNU's "screen", doing the magic key Ctrl+a twice takes you back to the previous screen session; in BSD's "tmux" the magic key is Ctrl+b, but it looks like the "twice trick" doesn't work - Am I missing something?
[11:09:12] <AlwaysNever> OK, Google's Gemini tells me in tmux I need "Ctrl+b, l", for toggling between the current and last window
[11:09:38] <AlwaysNever> LLM really are search on steroids
[11:10:15] <AlwaysNever> https://gemini.google.com
[11:10:16] <systemd> ^ 03Gemini - direct access to Google AI
[11:10:51] <chromas> LLMs get a lot wrong and make shit up, but so do search results
[11:11:10] <chromas> tmux > screen ;)
[11:11:47] <AlwaysNever> I'm told a lot that tmux > screen ; I'm also told a lot that systemd > sysvinit.
[11:12:19] <chromas> anything's better than sysvinit
[11:12:28] <chromas> even screen
[11:13:32] <AlwaysNever> sysvinit is fun and affords a lot of fascinating shell reading, systemd is boring and you deal with soul crushing INI files
[11:14:16] <chromas> sysvinit doesn't even has shell scripts. that's just all addons
[11:14:37] <AlwaysNever> beautifull addon missing from systemd
[11:15:01] <chromas> just make a systemd unit that starts a shell script to start other shell scripts :D
[11:15:33] <chromas> they used to have it. not sure if sysv support is still there.
[11:15:47] <AlwaysNever> I would have to surrender my soul to dealing with INI files, I thought that was left behind with Windows 3.1
[11:16:16] <chromas> ah, you prefer OUTI files
[11:17:00] <chromas> I tried void for a bit. it's got runit
[11:17:21] <chromas> plus you can use musl instead of gnu bloat
[11:18:45] <AlwaysNever> I don't consider GNU to be bloat, but they certainly have done their share of bad choices...
[11:19:24] <AlwaysNever> like their system daemon manager "shepherd" in a weird language, and their libc deprecating utmp/wtmp
[11:19:51] <chromas> I wonder why nobody ever picked up shepherd
[11:21:49] <chromas> maybe if they rewrote it in rust
[11:22:31] <AlwaysNever> it's done in the Guile dialect of Scheme, a no-go for a low level system dependency
[11:23:17] <chromas> should've done it in python. most distros already have it install-ed
[11:24:54] <AlwaysNever> Speaking of which, it would be fun fun fun if Lennart Poettering
[11:25:31] <AlwaysNever> ...decide to rewrite SystemD in Rust, now that it is entrenched, and provoke a civil war in FOSS
[11:25:54] <AlwaysNever> I would by stok in pop corn
[11:26:23] <AlwaysNever> *buy
[11:35:56] <chromas> oooh
[11:36:10] <chromas> shepherd runs as pid1?!!! I thought that was evil
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[14:01:36] <chromas> Perhaps you installed a metric "rootre" instead of an American "raughwter"
[14:24:47] <Runaway1956> Messing around with different servers - I can switch between them, but it's not nearly as smooth as the PIA app on the machine.
[14:26:22] <Runaway1956> It appears the new set of servers have been blacklisted by some of the sites I visit - most importantly, https://folding.extremeoverclocking.com
[14:26:22] <systemd> ^ 03403 Forbidden
[14:27:02] <chromas> it's not even loading in my browser
[14:27:09] <chromas> server jacking off
[14:27:17] <Runaway1956> Oh - maybe it's actually down, LOL
[14:27:24] <chromas> perhaps they clocked too overextremely
[14:27:35] <Runaway1956> shit happens, eh?
[14:27:44] <chromas> well the bot at least got a response
[14:29:07] <Runaway1956> I've simply unplugged my other WIFI network now - it's about time I experimented with the range of the new WIFI. I may not reboot the mesh, if I get signal around the property.
[14:30:00] <chromas> mesh--
[14:30:00] <bender> mesh: -1
[14:30:36] <chromas> When I visited someone with a wifi mesh, we got slower game downloads on Steam with the local fire sharing enabled
[14:31:17] <Runaway1956> Mehhhh - the Netgear Nighthawk has been both good and bad for me - the thing to remember is, it's basically an EXTENDER, and the further you get from it, the weaker it is.
[14:31:18] <chromas> I assume it's 'cause with the mesh it still has to send all the packets back to the router, so it goes PC -> mesh -> router -> mesh -> pc, all over wifi
[14:32:19] <Runaway1956> Kinda, but PC means ethernet, laptops and phones use WIFI
[14:32:39] <chromas> Portable Computre
[14:33:04] <Runaway1956> touchy touche
[14:34:10] <Runaway1956> why aren't computers smart enough to put those little gimmicky things up top of the letters when we type a foriegn word like touche?
[14:34:31] <chromas> the laptop decided to wake up in its bag so when I pulled it out it was roasting and now the display is funky as if some of the layers came apart a little
[14:34:57] <Runaway1956> It is too late to send it back for another?
[14:35:14] <Runaway1956> Oh, wait, you mean in your own bag, not a shipping bag?
[14:35:28] <chromas> There's probably an auto-complete for desktop software, but you can also enable the Compose key, then do <compose>+e+' to get é
[14:35:53] <chromas> yeah my own. I should have known better than to suspend it in a bag
[14:36:00] <Runaway1956> That's just too complicated, I'll forget that in about fifteen seconds.
[14:39:23] <Runaway1956> https://www.isitdownrightnow.com
[14:39:29] <systemd> ^ 03Extremeoverclocking.com Down or Just Me ?
[14:41:27] <chromas> still not loading here either
[14:47:26] <Runaway1956> https://hmpg.net
[14:47:27] <systemd> ^ 03End of the Internet
[14:48:30] <Runaway1956> What I am seeing is the nginx 'forbidden' message, so I guess the site is up, but misconfigured somehow?
[14:48:58] <Runaway1956> which translates to "it's down but the internet doesn't accept that it's down"
[15:31:27] <chromas> I just get connection timeouts
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[23:39:08] <c0lo> the clash of chess tAItans https://www.youtube.com
[23:39:11] <systemd> ^ 03ChatGPT vs Meta AI: This Isn’t Chess Anymore
[23:46:31] <chromas> But will they autocomplete each other's sandwiches?