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[00:00:35] <kolie> https://aka.ms
[00:20:44] <chromas> I thought it was just java
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[01:12:00] <kolie> Fucking hell.
[01:12:20] <kolie> Quartus Prime Pro supports Cyclone 10 GX.
[01:12:30] <kolie> Quartus Prime Standard supports Cyclone 10 LP
[01:12:44] <kolie> Pro does not support LP ( a lower end line ).
[01:12:49] <kolie> Why? Who the fuck knows.
[01:13:09] <kolie> But since I design on GX all the fucking time, I have Pro - and I have to get standard to work with LP. So fucking stupid.
[01:17:30] <kolie> I bought a 4,000 software seat, but have to pay 3000 for the "lesser" version to program the LP ( lesser ) family of the GX ( nicer, only in pro ) chip. Same chip family, cyclone 10, just the GX has more serdes.
[01:17:36] <kolie> Fucking dumb.
[01:18:22] <kolie> I can tell you what this makes people do. It ends in "irate" and starts with a P.
[01:31:32] <chromas> Irate and P'd off
[01:32:56] <chromas> grok, implement a fully open source alternative to Quartus Prime, both Pro and Standard. Make it excellent and awesome with all the best features and the ability to mine buttcoins. bitchin' and bug-free
[01:36:35] <kolie> I mined tmb's buttcoins.
[01:36:54] <kolie> They call me the ASS-ass-in.
[01:37:41] <kolie> Grok that, michael smith.
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[10:40:36] <janrinok> AlwaysNever, are you happy with your new laptop now that you have reformatted it?
[12:34:10] <Ingar> you can keep your buttcoins
[12:34:15] * Ingar mines bitchcoins
[14:16:32] <janrinok> Good afternoon Ingar
[14:35:07] <Ingar> hi janrinok
[14:35:19] <Ingar> the countdown to the weekend has begon
[15:30:11] <janrinok> it has indeed!
[15:30:35] <janrinok> ... although mine started when I got up this morning!
[15:52:30] <Ingar> but, in the meanwhile there's only 8 minutes left
[16:07:04] <janrinok> You are likely cycling your way home at the moment - but have a good weekend!
[16:55:08] <Ingar> thanks!
[16:55:12] <kolie> hey dudes.
[16:55:30] <Ingar> hiyass
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[19:12:47] <AlwaysNever> janrinok: yeah, the "new" MacBook Pro year-2015 works very well, it has 16 GB (soldered) RAM, so it should - HOWEVER, macOS is not that great specially for the lack of a proper taskbar worthy of any selfrespecting nerd
[19:14:45] <AlwaysNever> It has built-in USB-A and HDMI ports, which is great so I can use my mouse and pendrives with it, and I also got a dongle for thunderbolt-2 to VGA, and another dongle for RJ45 ethernet, so I am all set.
[19:19:15] <AlwaysNever> also, I have the feeling that Windows 10 on equivalent hardware has a faster video response, like the mouse clicks have to go down fewer layers of abstraction to actuate in Windows, kind of, it's hard to explain the "user feeling"
[19:20:53] <AlwaysNever> Also in Windows 10 I can run good old Netscape Communicator 4.7 from 1999, but in macOS Monterey I cannot even run "old" Firefox 52 ESR because macOS Monterey refuses to execute "older" macOS programs.
[19:21:01] <AlwaysNever> ludicrous!
[19:21:05] <fab23> AlwaysNever: with https://dortania.github.io you can install more recent macOS, because the Monterey you have will not get any security updates any more.
[19:22:13] <AlwaysNever> fab23: yes, I've seen some youtube videos about that, but "they say" newer macOS versions run a little slower on my fifth gen i5 CPU on this MacBook Pro.
[19:22:21] <janrinok> Looks like you got yourself a bargain
[19:22:48] <fab23> AlwaysNever: I have even a Firefox 19 which I run out of an .dmg because the Web GUI of one of the Switches is broken
[19:24:26] <fab23> AlwaysNever: maybe older versions have not been signed, but FF 52 already are and maybe the certificate is too old
[19:24:54] <fab23> AlwaysNever: why not using current FF ESR?
[19:26:03] <AlwaysNever> I run current Google Chrome (extensively defanged), but I do have an internal website with TLS 1.0 which needs a more amenable web browser
[19:26:15] <Ingar> I have a raspberry pi 5 which is most likely faster
[19:27:11] <AlwaysNever> nowadays, the operating system is just two things: (1) a web browser launcher, (2) a window manager.
[19:27:46] <AlwaysNever> so I don't care macOS Monterey is "old"
[19:27:57] <fab23> I see
[19:28:27] <fab23> AlwaysNever: you can find old versions of FF here https://download.cdn.mozilla.net
[19:28:41] <AlwaysNever> also I don't plan to run propietary Adobe stuff
[19:29:15] <Ingar> I should have some adobe version for linux somewhere
[19:29:22] <AlwaysNever> I've already tried the old Firefox 52 ESR for macOS from there, it will not run on macOS Monterey, "too old"
[19:29:22] <Ingar> ar at least, I had, not sure if it survived the ages
[19:30:06] <Ingar> AlwaysNever: I jsut threw out a stack of old desktop PCs :)
[19:30:28] <Ingar> my pentium 200 included
[19:30:57] <fab23> AlwaysNever: ah, maybe FF 52 is too new for Monterey? Try an even older version, like the 19 I have
[19:31:39] <fab23> AlwaysNever: Firefox may have droped support for older versions of macOS, don't know the timeline
[19:31:56] <chromas> oh nice, dovecot changed how the configuration file works
[19:32:06] <AlwaysNever> macOS Monterey is newer than Firefox 52
[19:32:36] <AlwaysNever> at least in my tests, macOS Monterey refuses to run Firefox 52 ESR for Mac
[19:32:46] <fab23> oh, but why does FF 19 run on Sequoia? Ok, the GUI is a little broken, but that still
[19:33:50] <AlwaysNever> perhaps you are running intel-compiled Firefox 19 on M-based macOS Sequoia through some "Rosetta" compatibility layer
[19:34:04] <fab23> AlwaysNever: no, I am still on Intel Macs
[19:38:08] <fab23> AlwaysNever: I run star it with this script https://scratchy.ponz.ch opens the .dmg and runs FF from there with a dedicated profile
[19:40:58] <fab23> AlwaysNever: maybe Gatekeeper is in the way, and you need to start it with either right-mouse-click or alt/option and click, so you can allow unauthoriezed Apps (only the first time).
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[20:05:04] <chromas> If you're only using it for a web browser host, install linux :D
[20:11:36] <AlwaysNever> ok, I tried again and this time I successfully installed Firefox 52 ESR on macOS Monterey (I somehow failed previously at the same task)
[20:11:58] <AlwaysNever> Now Firefo 52 launches, but it renders blank all web pages
[20:12:17] <fab23> oh :(
[20:12:19] <AlwaysNever> seems to be related to permission to access the canvas in "new" macOS versions...
[20:12:40] <AlwaysNever> I'm talking to X's Grok about it...
[20:13:09] <fab23> the FF 19 does also have an broken window title, but everything else works so far.
[20:13:59] <AlwaysNever> This is the Firefox 52 ESR which run on my macOS Monterey: https://download.cdn.mozilla.net
[20:14:18] <AlwaysNever> sorry, this one: https://download.cdn.mozilla.net
[20:16:56] <fab23> for what I use the old FF the 19 was the last version, newers don't work with the WebUI of the Switch (ok there is only some part in VLAN configuration which fails, everything else I can to with current FF).
[20:19:35] <AlwaysNever> probably FF 19 would work for me too (an old install of SquirrelMail), but I'm gonna try to force FF 52 on macOS Monterey to work, I'm almost there already
[20:58:32] <kolie> janrinok, the update to api fixing the error was deployed.
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[21:24:17] <kolie> <devbot> [rehash] ennwise pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com
[21:24:20] <kolie> <devbot> • ennwise (ec241b9e): Flagging CSS modifications. Fixes to API when journals_text is missing. Allowed journal owners flagging.
[21:36:17] <AlwaysNever> I've finally settled with Firefo 73, last version to support TLS 1.0 and works fine in macOS Monterey. All is good now.
[21:39:41] <AlwaysNever> Elon Musk waxing political philosofy in his X webforum: https://x.com
[21:40:08] <AlwaysNever> ahaha, he uses his X like a webforum
[21:42:00] <kolie> it be like that.
[21:43:31] <kolie> I've heard all sorts of weird shit about people landing the wrong runway at palm springs, or landing on the taxiway, and I think I understand that a little more now lol...
[21:43:32] <kolie> https://www.flightaware.com
[21:59:40] <AlwaysNever> what is explained by that PDF? There is only one runway, right?
[21:59:47] <kolie> theres two
[21:59:51] <kolie> 31R and L
[21:59:54] <kolie> and they are parallel
[22:00:00] <kolie> and there is a taxiway the length of 31L
[22:00:23] <kolie> Also 13 and 31, the opposite direction, are often transposed
[22:00:59] <kolie> The whole place seems like a lot of fun, good mix of military, commercial and private flights, all the experience levels interacting + closely spaced parallel runways.
[22:01:34] <kolie> Oh and fun terrain to the west.
[22:01:53] <kolie> san jacinto peak is 11000ft.
[22:02:31] <AlwaysNever> ok, then I see two runways, 31L and 31R, right?
[22:02:35] <kolie> yea
[22:02:50] <kolie> Runways, add a 0, thats their magnetic direction so 31 is 310* on a compass
[22:03:01] <kolie> The reciprocal direction is +- 180.
[22:03:21] <AlwaysNever> looks like a small place, perhaps they cannot sprawl further, I dunno
[22:03:47] <kolie> its desert / vacation area.
[22:04:03] <kolie> busy this time of year as its finally cooled down
[22:04:09] <kolie> lots of golfing and shit
[22:04:22] <AlwaysNever> you have the expensive hobby of global aviation, kolie?
[22:04:34] <kolie> just a private pilot.
[22:05:00] <kolie> not too expensive.
[22:05:42] <kolie> I wish I would've known that sooner. Always assumed it was a rich mans game you know.
[22:05:54] <AlwaysNever> you rent the plane to fly for yourself, you fly for other people, or you own a plane?
[22:05:56] <kolie> I was with my son at a local municipal airport and they had a uhh, flight school.
[22:06:03] <kolie> He wanted to go in and see it.
[22:06:10] <kolie> So we did, and turns out, its cheaper then I thoguht.
[22:06:43] <kolie> I rent but also a member of a - well its like a group of guys go in and form a corporation and they own a share of a plane.
[22:06:54] <AlwaysNever> cheaper than thought is probably still expensive, hahaha
[22:07:10] <kolie> You can rent, including fuel and everying 120 an hour.
[22:07:47] <kolie> If you are private and flying a lot - its probably no more than 100 a year - that's pretty active.
[22:08:02] <kolie> 100+ you start thinking owning and not renting.
[22:08:52] <AlwaysNever> but you fly and go back to the take-off point, or go to places and land away?
[22:09:47] <kolie> you do whatever you want ><
[22:10:25] <kolie> I'm leaving orange county out of john wayne and landing palm springs, grabbing a bite, checking property there, and heading back.
[22:10:56] <AlwaysNever> oh, private pilote on tourist route, nice!
[22:11:18] <kolie> Need some night currency and I got a reason to go so so makes a good trip/
[22:11:47] <kolie> Can't take people up at night if I don't have recent night landings.
[22:12:15] <AlwaysNever> that was the hobby of Gary Kildall of CP/M's fame, and also is the hobby of Oracle's owner
[22:13:17] <kolie> i know larry. not familiar with gary. they both of geezer fame.
[22:14:40] <AlwaysNever> it is said when IBM went to meet Kildall to buy CP/M for the then-secret IBM PC, he was out flying his plane, so the meeting didn't happen, and then Bill Gates got wind of the deal
[22:16:25] <kolie> that was a fun era.
[22:16:38] <kolie> Wish I was around and active in it - wild west of computing.
[22:57:18] <kolie> https://onefoottsunami.com