#soylent | Logs for 2025-09-03

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[00:22:05] <c0lo> breaking, but yet poor non-paywalled coverage https://www.wsj.com
[00:22:06] <systemd> ^ 03wsj.com
[00:23:37] <c0lo> =sub https://militarnyi.com
[00:23:40] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Ukraine Uses Autonomous Drone Swarm Against Russian Forces - Militarnyi" (12p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[01:18:04] <Runaway1956> =submit from Runaway https://arstechnica.com
[01:18:05] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Google Won’t Have to Sell Chrome, Judge Rules" (10p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[06:14:55] <chromas> They should have to sell their search division. They don't really use it anyhow
[06:15:31] <ted-ious> That's a great idea.
[06:17:35] <prg> They can just use AI to make up search results.
[06:18:15] <janrinok> I thought that it already did that - perhaps that is just my jaundiced view of Google nowadays
[06:19:08] <janrinok> .... Mornin' all!
[06:19:48] <prg> Don't they still hide real search results somewhere on the site if your scroll down a bit? Haven't used google in a while...
[06:20:10] <prg> Morning.
[06:23:09] <ted-ious> They disguise ads at the top and make it hard to figure out how far down you have to scroll to find the real results.
[06:52:55] <janrinok> I usually ignore the first 2 pages
[07:30:02] <c0lo> https://www.google.com
[07:30:03] <systemd> ^ 03Google Search
[07:30:41] <c0lo> see that "udm=14"? That's what it skips ads and AI.
[07:32:26] <c0lo> Not that the results of the search are better, but at least you can skip the ad garbage. For now.
[07:36:03] <chromas> https://udm14.org
[07:36:04] <systemd> ^ 03&udm=14 | the search engine Konami code;
[07:36:21] <janrinok> I didn't know that. But, to be honest, most people search from their browser and my browser(s) do not insert udm=... into the url.
[07:36:29] <chromas> it can
[07:36:41] <chromas> You can change the url sent to the search injun
[07:37:10] <chromas> or you might have to add a Custom Search Engine™ with the modifications
[07:37:52] <janrinok> Ah, ok, I was just looking at my Librewolf and it wasn't jumping out at me
[07:39:49] <chromas> if you use the api you also don't get the AI nonsense
[07:40:09] <chromas> so the simplest thing to do is write your own web script that calls the google api :D
[07:41:03] <janrinok> thanks
[07:41:16] <fab23> I have bookmarklets in my Bookmarks bar since a long time, so you can customize the parameters to search.
[07:42:19] <fab23> E.g. for DDG:
[07:42:21] <fab23> javascript:s=(window.getSelection?window.getSelection():document.getSelection());if(s==''){if(window.getSelection){if(frames.length!=1){for(i=0;i%3Cframes.length;i++){s=frames[i].document.getSelection();if(s)break;}}}}if(s=='')void(s=prompt('DuckDuckGo%20Search.%20Insert%20Text%20or%20highlight%20befor%20clicking',''));if(s)location.href='https://duckduckgo.com/?k5=2&kax=-1&kaj=m&kav=1&kn=1&ka
[07:42:23] <systemd> ^ 03DuckDuckGo - Protection. Privacy. Peace of mind.
[07:42:23] <fab23> k=-1&kaq=-1&kap=-1&kau=-1&kt=u&kae=d&ks=m&q='+escape(s)
[07:42:29] <janrinok> If it isn't automatic then it is probably faster for me just to click on the page 3 icon and skip the first 2 pages
[07:42:52] <chromas> your message was split a bit
[07:43:14] <janrinok> ah, my script blockers will have to modified I suppose
[07:43:14] <chromas> https://logs.soylentnews.org
[07:43:14] <systemd> ^ 03#soylent | Logs for 2025-09-03
[07:43:16] <fab23> The thing is you click on the Bookmark and get a dialog to enter your search, of if you have marked any text on the current webpage it will use that as search
[07:43:36] <fab23> chromas: I know, IRC does that, sorry about it.
[07:44:03] <chromas> I wasn't sure if it showed you on your end. Some irc clients don't show the split
[07:44:20] <fab23> you should of course have the Bookmark Toolbar visiable and put that Bookmark in there :)
[07:44:29] <janrinok> I do
[07:44:31] <fab23> chromas: it did
[07:46:51] <fab23> chromas: but only after I have pressed enter :) I guess the limitation of number of characters is not standard and depends on what the server does with it.
[07:48:11] <fab23> janrinok: as the javascript is local from your browser, so may not be restricted
[07:48:33] <janrinok> it doesn't appear to work for me yet
[07:48:41] <chromas> Also depends on the channel and stuff, since that's part of the message
[07:49:32] <janrinok> chromas you are talking about IRC. I'm just on my browser trying to search.
[07:49:34] <fab23> janrinok: did you copy the whole 2-lines spilt part?
[07:50:06] <fab23> yes, we chromas I was talking about IRC posts
[07:50:14] <janrinok> I don't see any split
[07:50:32] <chromas> and I was nice enough to not mention any nicks and add to the confusion :)
[07:50:46] <janrinok> I don't come on here to search. This is only installed on 1 of my 18 machines
[07:50:54] <chromas> janrinok: systemd piped up with a title output between fab23's two lines
[07:51:30] <chromas> "DuckDuckGo" et cetera. There's a line before and after that should go together for the search string
[07:52:47] <janrinok> as the woman said "ain't nobody got time for that". One mouse click and my problem is gone.
[07:53:03] <chromas> oh then use startpage
[07:53:38] <janrinok> But thanks for the interesting interlude. I am not re-enabling js though
[08:00:16] <c0lo> It doesn't take much for Google to make the udm14.org obsolete
[08:01:05] <janrinok> The Konami page seems to do most of what I want
[08:01:51] <janrinok> but I try to avoid Google as much as I can nowadays. They have pissed me off too many times.
[08:03:22] <janrinok> Now, back to my coding, and I have a French lesson in less than an hour...
[08:04:41] <c0lo> Must be noice to code on an AZERTY layout, eh?
[08:05:28] <janrinok> Nah, I stick the uk kbd for my programming. I have an azerty for when I need it, which is rarely.
[08:06:11] <janrinok> I was taught to touch-type in 1971 - I am not changing kbds unless I have to.
[08:07:06] <janrinok> ... although that was on a mechanical typewriter with additional Cyrillic characters
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[08:35:31] <janrinok> =submit from jan https://www.bbc.com
[08:35:33] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03A Let Off or Tougher Than It Looks? What the Google Monopoly Ruling Means" (26p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:38:37] <janrinok> =submit from jan https://arstechnica.com
[08:38:46] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Trump’s Move of SPACECOM to Alabama Has Little to Do With National Security" (36p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:41:42] <janrinok> =submit from jan https://gizmodo.com
[08:41:45] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Trump Family’s Crypto Token Just Made Them $5 Billion Richer" (21p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:44:13] <janrinok> =submit from jan https://gizmodo.com
[08:44:14] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Stressed Ice Generates Electricity, Researchers Find" (20p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:44:58] <janrinok> =submit from jan https://www.tomshardware.com
[08:44:59] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03U.S. Gov't Revokes TSMC's Authorization to Ship Tools to its Fabs in China" (15p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[09:43:00] <Ingar> site down again ?
[09:43:14] <Ingar> the connection was reset
[09:46:20] <fab23> works for me
[09:50:27] <fab23> I was not able to connect to the site through my mobile carrier last night, but then from home all was fine, and I just checked again through my mobile carrier and it also works again.
[09:50:30] <janrinok> everything looks OK here
[09:51:57] <fab23> sometimes in the network of networks (aka Internet) such things happen, that not all are able to connect.
[09:58:00] <janrinok> Ingar "site down again" - we haven't been down since, er, er, yesterday!
[09:58:11] <janrinok> ...yet
[09:59:09] <fab23> 🙃 I just see the Simpsons intro with 2 / 3 days without accident in the nuclear plant
[10:00:23] <fab23> that one https://www.youtube.com
[10:00:25] <systemd> ^ 03The Simpsons - Days without an accident
[10:02:21] <Ingar> janrinok: I get self-signed certificate warning
[10:02:38] <janrinok> on this site?
[10:03:17] <Ingar> https://soylentnews.org
[10:03:18] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews: SoylentNews is people
[10:03:31] <Ingar> interesting
[10:03:36] <Ingar> works fine from work
[10:03:45] <Ingar> from my home conenction I get a certificate warning
[10:04:09] <janrinok> I've tried with a different browser but I still don't see a cert warning
[10:04:16] <Ingar> looks like I should move my ISP from the "asshole" category to "can't be trusted" category
[10:04:22] <janrinok> lol
[10:04:38] <fab23> hm could be that the server does not send out the proper intermediate certificate, and if you had visited some other sites which does, then that browser does cache it and all looks fine
[10:04:46] <Ingar> (been experiencing conenction issue for the past days, I guess it is related)
[10:05:14] <Ingar> ooh that could be, I haven't used this remote desktop in ages
[10:05:54] <Ingar> cleared cache, same shit
[10:06:50] <fab23> Let's Encrypt did move to multiple intermediate certificates and even does rotate them, so if it does not get replaced on the site, it will not properly work
[10:07:11] <Ingar> the cert I get says Organization SpinupWP
[10:07:38] <fab23> Ingar: hm, do you have an SSL breaking proxy inbetween?
[10:07:54] <Ingar> fab23: me, no. My ISP on the other hand...
[10:08:07] <Ingar> I've caught them before messing with traffic
[10:08:29] <fab23> Ingar: evil
[10:08:38] <Ingar> (monitorring the two end points, the receiving side get RST packaets that were never sent from the other side)
[10:09:00] <fab23> do they kind of recommend (force) you to install their Root Certificate? Please don't do that!
[10:09:57] <Ingar> mmm.. strangly enough, works fine in another virtual machine on the same host
[10:10:13] <Ingar> Windows 10 issue I guess
[10:10:55] <Ingar> oh
[10:10:59] <Ingar> Win10 gets a different IP
[10:11:20] <Ingar> Pinging soylentnews.org [23.239.29.31]
[10:11:37] <Ingar> the linux gives me PING soylentnews.org (192.163.30.227)
[10:12:13] <fab23> The certificates on SN site look fine to me: https://scratchy.ponz.ch
[10:12:19] <systemd> ^ 03PONZ IRC: Certificate Check SoylentNews Site
[10:12:40] <Ingar> fab23: it works fine in my linux vm, but fails on my Win10 vm
[10:12:49] <Ingar> and both run on the same metal and use the same DNS
[10:12:55] * Ingar scratches head
[10:12:59] <fab23> But an SEO related improvement would be to e.g. either redirect www.soy... to soy... or the other way around.
[10:13:33] <Ingar> oh www.soylentnews.org actually works
[10:13:44] <fab23> Ingar: blame Windows, and luckily it will be EoL soon. :)
[10:13:46] <Ingar> welll. half
[10:14:30] <Ingar> fab23: not rly, I'll be forced to upgrade my work PC to windows 11 :(
[10:14:45] <Ingar> at home, I decided to give windows the boot
[10:14:56] <fab23> 👍
[10:15:07] <Ingar> I consider win11 malware and spyware first grade
[10:15:26] <Ingar> and a toy when it comes to operating a computer
[10:15:57] <Ingar> which reminds me I need to talk to leal about stuff like windows recall
[10:16:04] <Ingar> *talk to legal
[10:16:38] <Ingar> most likely it is illegal
[10:39:27] <chromas> The 23 address is from the old Linode days. Do you have a HOSTS entry for sn on that box?
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[11:21:30] <Ingar> http://ingar.intranifty.net
[11:21:37] <Ingar> now someone explain this to me :D
[11:24:08] <Ingar> chromas: afaik not, I rebooted the machine now will check hosts once it is back up
[11:29:54] <fab23> Ingar: If I am correct, nslookup does use the Nameserver configured in /etc/resolv.conf, but ping and host use the /etc/hosts file first
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[11:31:35] <Ingar> fab23: close, it's a Windows 10;-) but hosts was apparently the culprit
[11:31:48] <Ingar> apparently I added soylent's IP at some point
[11:32:09] <Ingar> chromas: thanks for reminding me about hosts ;)
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[11:56:34] <fab23> Ingar: Windows is since at least NT using the BSD TCP/IP stack, so tools behave the same :)
[12:11:38] <Ingar> it beats Trumpet WinSock
[15:34:21] <kolie> hosts file
[15:37:35] <kolie> nslookup queries a server directly, not your local resolver stack
[16:20:16] <kolie> My favorite kernel was 2.6
[18:15:17] <chromas> Not 3.11 for Workgroups?
[20:41:54] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[20:41:57] <systemd> ^ 03Hi there! I’m Cortana!
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[21:10:39] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[21:10:42] <systemd> ^ 03When Netflix Adds AI Movies
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