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[01:38:59] <c0lo> drroooones https://www.youtube.com
[01:39:02] <Clippit> ^ 03This ONE Weapon Keeping Ukraine Alive (WORLD POWERS ARE SCARED)
[01:44:52] <c0lo> =sub https://www.vice.com
[01:44:55] <Clippit> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Billionaire Island is in a Poop War With a Neighboring Town of Millionaires" (13p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:23:26] <halibut> c0lo: You seem to have a very entertaining reading list.
[02:24:10] <halibut> If these were short works of fiction, though, I would enjoy them a lot more.
[02:31:17] <c0lo> > If these were short works of fiction
[02:31:18] <c0lo> Will the 2020-ies ever end?
[02:33:26] <c0lo> https://phys.org
[02:33:27] <Clippit> ^ 03Just a moment...
[02:33:56] <c0lo> =sub https://phys.org +https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.adr1794
[02:33:58] <Clippit> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Just a Moment..." (2p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:39:55] <halibut> ^^^ Clipit seems to have gotten entangled, too.
[06:27:58] <chromas> pooctl start tossin
[06:29:31] <chromas> 2020s have to be epic. it's like Diablo2, Terminator 2, Torchlight 2, Borderlands 2, Back to the Future 2
[06:29:49] <chromas> 2030s is where it's gonna go downhill. Everything will be way too slow and sluggish
[06:36:00] <c0lo> not even epic - battlefield6 is not using FPV drones, useless even as a training app
[06:36:46] <chromas> well sure it's a 6
[06:36:50] <chromas> 2s are where it's at
[06:37:54] <c0lo> oh, sorry, FB6 is DICEd, not EPIC
[06:38:57] <chromas> buck feta and whatnot
[06:39:07] <chromas> even if it's a difference DICE
[06:39:17] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[06:39:19] <Clippit> ^ 03get a lobotomy TODAY!
[06:40:32] <chromas> "When my wife came down with a sudden case of gunshot wound, the doctors recommended a bunch of mumbo jumbo but thanks to this ad I knew better. I scheduled her for a lobotomy right away and she's never been better. I mean deader"
[06:47:17] <ted-ious> I think that might have been the least entertaining video I have ever seen.
[06:53:00] <chromas> Sounds like you're not trying hard enough
[06:59:51] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[06:59:53] <Clippit> ^ 03Halo Theme Song Performed By 80 Guys In 1 bathroom + Girls Point of View
[07:04:48] <ted-ious> That one was much better.
[07:46:41] <c0lo> I'm not sure I want to play halo now.
[07:49:22] <halibut> I do not think that affects whether I want to play halo, but it does make me extrememly reluctant to use a public restroom.
[07:50:47] <c0lo> Reading the wikipedia entry on it, I'm sure I don't want to play it. Because of...
[07:50:47] <c0lo> > In the year 2525, human worlds come under attack by a theocratic alliance
[07:50:48] <c0lo> Well, I have enough of it in 2025 already.
[07:51:05] <c0lo> For realz
[07:52:29] <c0lo> > Master Chief and his artificial intelligence Cortana
[07:52:30] <c0lo> Like... ewww!
[07:52:31] <halibut> But Halo is completely different. I think there is something about how the alliance might actually be trying to do something about a race that take over other life forms and turns them into mindless creatures that attack whatever their groupthink says they should attack ... nevermind. You are right.
[07:53:50] <chromas> Yeah but it's got Rings of Power
[07:54:53] <halibut> That is deeper than I know Halo lore. I only know about the Ring World. Are you just trolling by mixing this up with Tolkien's Middle Earth?
[07:55:13] <chromas> sorta
[07:55:18] <halibut> (Also, why --Middle-- Earth? Is there an Upper Earth and a Lower Earth, or maybe a Left Earth and a Right Earth?).
[07:55:22] <chromas> the rings are powerful
[07:56:55] <chromas> there's Inner Earth and Outer Earth. We mostly just hear about the Middle, and you're not supposed to talk about the Inward
[07:57:26] <c0lo> In high school, we were... ummm... "singing" queen's we will rock you
[07:57:55] <halibut> I was never too clear on the Rings of Power. The 9 given to men (mortal men, doomed to die) turned them into Ring Wraiths, basically slaves to Sauron (but powerful). The three given to the elves did not do anything because the elves were suspcious of them and did not use them. The seven(?) given to the dwarves caused them to say in their caves. Sauron's ring, the most powerful ... turned a
[07:58:01] <halibut> hobbit-like person into a crazy trogolodyte. Tell me again about how these are so powerful?
[07:58:33] <halibut> Other than one of them makes you invisible, but calls the Ring Wraiths so they come and get you.
[07:58:34] <chromas> They made a lot of money
[07:58:53] <chromas> That's the most important power probably
[07:59:25] <chromas> plus the power to keep Sauron's eyePhone powered up at all times
[07:59:26] <halibut> That's a good point, but even that took decades, and only happened long after the Creator's death (but did basically invent a new genre of fiction).
[07:59:50] <c0lo> Who made a lot on money? Tolkien or Jackson?
[08:01:14] <chromas> All kinds of people. Movie makers, toy makers, video game makers
[08:01:16] <halibut> I like the eyePhone analogy. I seem to recall, at the end, a key component was exposed to too much heat, and the whole thing exploded.
[08:01:29] <chromas> well he was holding it wrong
[08:02:14] <halibut> That explains why he was getting such poor reception.
[08:02:21] <chromas> I never read the books. Are the movies accurate in the frequency of Frodo falling down?
[08:02:30] <halibut> Outside or Mordor, pretty much nobody could hear him.
[08:02:53] <ted-ious> I don't think the movies are accurate in any way.
[08:03:16] <halibut> If I recall correctly, the books did not go into that level of detail, but they did talk a great deal about how heavy the ring felt and how tired Sam and Frodo were.
[08:03:21] <chromas> That's not true. They're both unnecessarily long
[08:03:40] <ted-ious> You are incorrect.
[08:03:52] <ted-ious> All 6 books are exactly the right length.
[08:04:21] <chromas> Are three of them prequels?
[08:04:24] <halibut> I thought the LotR trilogy (books) were a decent length. They feel a little slow by the standards of later books in the genre, but, being the first of their kind, I think they get some leeway. The Silmarillion, though ... some of that really dragged on.
[08:04:35] <chromas> Will we get three sequels? I need another trilogy trilogy
[08:04:46] <halibut> 6 books? The Hobbit, 3 LotR, and The Silmarillion. What is the 6th?
[08:04:57] <ted-ious> No only amazon prequels.
[08:05:13] <ted-ious> halibut: The lord of the rings book 1 and book 2.
[08:05:21] <ted-ious> The two towers book 1 and book 2.
[08:05:30] <ted-ious> Return of the king book 1 and book 2.
[08:06:01] <halibut> Huh. The version I read was just 3 (Fellowship, Two Towers, and Return of the King).
[08:06:05] <chromas> They're splitting them up now?
[08:06:35] <ted-ious> They were always split into 2 books each even when they are inside the same cover. :)
[08:07:02] <halibut> That might be. I do not think that is a detail I would remember.
[08:07:03] <chromas> That sounds like fake twos
[08:07:20] <ted-ious> I'm just teasing chromas for not having read them.
[08:08:41] <halibut> Ah. So, not really split. OK.
[08:10:05] <halibut> I think the winner for weird splits would need to be Neal Stephenson's ``The Baroque Cycle''. It is a trilogy of volumes, but the first volume is published as 3 separate books (a trilogy in itself), and then the second volume is two books published in a single book, and the third volume is three books published as a third book ( https://en.wikipedia.org ).
[08:10:05] <Clippit> ^ 03The Baroque Cycle - Wikipedia
[08:10:06] <chromas> So one trilogy has Saron, one has Saruman. Then who's next? Saruruman?
[08:10:10] <ted-ious> halibut: No they really are split inside each book.
[08:10:18] <halibut> So, 5 physical books, 3 volumes, 8 ``books''.
[08:10:24] <ted-ious> FOr some reason they don't say volume 1 and 2.
[08:10:35] <halibut> I will try to remember that.
[08:10:51] <chromas> Publishing shenanigans
[08:11:05] <ted-ious> There is usually some kind of perspectiove shift between each internal book.
[08:11:42] <halibut> In the books, Saruman is a big character in The Two Towers, but does not die as he does in the movies, and makes a brief comeback at the end of Return of the King. Sauron is an ever increasing character throughout the series.
[08:12:23] <ted-ious> Like I said I don't think the movies are accurate in any way.
[08:12:36] <chromas> Need an Isoscemon to complete the triangle
[08:13:08] <ted-ious> I haven't seen any of the other versions like a director's cut tho.
[08:13:17] <halibut> Saururuman does not show up until the sequel, the first half of which will only be available on Amazon Prime Video, the second half exclusive to Disney+, and the third half will require Hulu.
[08:14:24] * chromas pastes in RLM streaming services clip
[08:14:47] <halibut> I gather the movies pulled in a lot of supplmental material; things Tolkien wrote that were not published in the actual books (like the whole storyline with Arwen) ... but the parts that were in the books were pretty heavily altered, albeit recognizable.
[08:15:17] <chromas> All we need now is a novelization of the movies
[08:16:44] <halibut> Speaking of novels following movies / televisions series ... did George R. R. Martin ever finish Song of Ice and Fire?
[08:17:35] <halibut> ... sounds like no: https://en.wikipedia.org
[08:18:18] <halibut> Fun quote from the article: Each chapter is told from a limited third-person perspective, drawn from a group of characters that expands from nine in the first novel to 31 by the fifth.
[08:18:23] <chromas> no, but what's the deal with grand multi-book stories being made by people middly named "R. R."
[08:18:28] <halibut> Yep. It definitely started getting hard to keep track of the characters.
[08:18:54] <halibut> Oh, you weren't aware? They are the same person. Tolkien did not die; he just changed his identity to hide his age.
[08:19:29] <chromas> Stephanie R. R. Meyer, J. R. R. Rowling, Michael R. R. Bay
[08:19:47] <chromas> =yt baysplosion
[08:19:48] <Clippit> https://youtube.com - Michael Bay Presents: Explosions! | Robot Chicken | Adult Swim (41; 825,934 views; 👍9,603)
[08:21:26] <ted-ious> One rumor is grrm finished the last book but he knows fans will hate it so it won't be published until after his death,
[08:22:01] <ted-ious> Another rumor is that he doesn't want to finish it and is ashamed at his failure which is why he gets angry at fans who ask about it.
[08:22:20] <chromas> What if it's both?
[08:22:33] <chromas> He wrote the last one, but it's still a draft and he gave up on it
[08:22:48] <ted-ious> Supposedly he walked off stage at a panel discussion at some convention the last time a fan brought it up.
[08:23:13] <ted-ious> chromas: I wouldn't be surprised at all if that was exactly correct.
[08:23:30] <chromas> Michael Bay also walked off the stage once too. Must be the same guy
[11:46:10] <c0lo> https://futurism.com
[11:46:12] <Clippit> ^ 03New Paper Finds Cases of "AI Psychosis" Manifesting Differently From Schizophrenia
[11:46:53] <c0lo> https://edition.cnn.com
[11:46:56] <Clippit> ^ 03Your AI therapist might be illegal soon. Here’s why
[11:47:36] <c0lo> =sub https://futurism.com https://edition.cnn.com
[11:47:39] <Clippit> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03New Paper Finds Cases of "AI Psychosis" Manifesting Differently From Schizophrenia" (20p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[11:53:12] <c0lo> https://www.cyberdaily.au
[11:53:14] <Clippit> ^ 03Artificial Toy Story: Do AI-powered toys take the life out of playtime?
[11:53:32] <c0lo> https://techcrunch.com
[11:53:33] <Clippit> ^ 03AI-powered stuffed animals are coming for your kids
[11:54:08] * Ingar imagines AI powere furbies
[11:54:10] <Ingar> scary
[11:54:39] <c0lo> =sub https://www.cyberdaily.au https://techcrunch.com
[11:55:21] <c0lo> =sub https://www.cyberdaily.au
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[21:16:48] <c0lo> Sabine tries vibe physics
[21:16:48] <c0lo> https://www.youtube.com
[21:16:52] <Clippit> ^ 03I tried Vibe Physics. This is what I learned.
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[22:55:19] <c0lo> Good dialogue skills https://www.youtube.com
[22:55:22] <Clippit> ^ 03Reason Why America Is Not Doing So Great Today
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