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[06:15:36] <janrinok> Hi guys
[06:22:52] <janrinok> Yet more tankers and transport aircraft from USA to the Middle East.
[06:55:48] <kyonko> tel aviv has been hit many times
[06:59:53] <janrinok> I'm just reading the overnight news now
[07:01:32] <kyonko> i'm watching live streams of the sky lines of jerusalem and tel aviv and all you hear these past days is bird song
[07:02:05] <janrinok> "President Donald Trump has left the G7 summit early to rush back to Washington after directing his team to attempt a meeting with Iranian officials as quickly as possible. Trump denied he left to work on a ceasefire and said something “much bigger” is in the works. Trump also warned Iranians to evacuate Tehran, underscoring the danger to its 10 million residents. "
[07:02:39] <janrinok> Now that doesn't sound like de-escalation to me
[07:04:15] <kyonko> youtube is recommending lots of russian produced videos
[07:04:42] <kyonko> looks like life is pretty normal there even on the parts near ukraine
[07:06:49] <kyonko> https://www.youtube.com
[07:06:52] <systemd> ^ 03LIVE: Attack on Tele Aviv Israel With live red alerts
[07:09:33] <kyonko> https://www.tzevaadom.co.il
[07:09:39] <systemd> ^ 03Tzofar - Red Alert
[08:00:59] <kyonko> action now
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[17:23:04] <Ingar> War! Now live on TV!
[17:28:38] <fab23> 🙀
[17:46:42] <janrinok> What are you watching?
[17:59:00] <kolie> fox news baby
[17:59:04] <kolie> straight feed to the presidents thoughts
[18:00:08] <kolie> you know what trump does? whoever just left the room and had a thought, he jumps on that. control the preisdent by controlling who he meets with and puts ideas in his head.
[18:07:04] <janrinok> Fortunately, I can't get Fox News
[18:13:00] <kolie> haha they stream on YT
[18:13:14] <kolie> Watching the live us state department feed
[18:19:21] <janrinok> I think my house is bugged.... Our discussion today has just been confirmed by the BBC. They were listening!
[18:20:09] <kolie> plural or gender confused they?
[18:21:49] <janrinok> well, I don't know how many of the UK's erstwhile news was listening, but I am going to get a tighter tin-foil hat before tomorrow.
[18:22:02] <kolie> haha
[18:22:45] <janrinok> 2 more US tanker ac have just deployed from Ramstein (Germany) to Saudi Arabia.
[18:23:30] <kolie> yea a lot is going through ramstein
[18:23:39] <kolie> globals, kc,
[18:23:46] <janrinok> yep
[18:25:28] <kolie> Moron Air Base, NAS Rota
[18:25:38] <kolie> Aviano Air base italy
[18:25:46] <kolie> Activity at Prestwick in the UK
[18:26:35] <kolie> tankers are flying high, not dragging fighters, makes it clear its repositioning and not just low altitude refuel stops
[18:43:21] <kolie> sounds like iran is about to retaliate again
[18:43:58] <kolie> Got my tel aviv feed live.
[18:49:28] <ted-ious> So the united states military is unmistakably involved in an illegal war and trump has given the democrats a reason for another round of impeachments.
[18:50:05] <ted-ious> Only instead of a stupid argument over a phone call this time thousands of people will die.
[18:57:46] <janrinok> ted-ious, it might look that way, but as yet the US military have done nothing. I agree that this is not a good position to be in but it _could_ be simply a threat/bluff in the hope that Iran will agree to remove any possibility of developing a weapon in the future.
[18:59:36] <janrinok> However, it certainly looks to me as though Trump has decided to support Israel (perhaps militarily too). But he is giving mixed signals at the moment which we must assume is intentional. If not, then he is a danger to us all.
[19:05:36] <kolie> SEems to me he could just say we've recognized iran as a state sponsor of terrorism, and group it in with terrorist entity umbrella
[19:06:10] <kolie> IRGC has been labaleed as such since atlease 2019 by the US
[19:06:27] <janrinok> yes, true
[19:06:50] <kolie> not saying he isnt going around the spirt of the law
[19:07:00] <kolie> dude is chaotic evil on the best of days
[19:08:45] <kolie> if the teflon dictator hasn't been impeached yet, throwing bombs at so called terrorist groups is unlikely to breach the threshold where actual documented bad shit has failed to stick to him.
[19:09:01] <ted-ious> What law lets a president order the military to participate in an illegal war no matter what names they call the target?
[19:09:31] <kolie> That's for the court and public opinion to decide. We've seen how that goes.
[19:09:44] <janrinok> They haven't participated yet - other than to defend against incoming missiles.
[19:09:49] <ted-ious> The constitution says only congress can declare war which is how military action is allowed as far as I understand it.
[19:10:11] <janrinok> It looks like they soon might, but they haven't done so yet
[19:10:14] <kolie> Congress has pre authorized a lot of anti terror activity - I could see that being bent here.
[19:10:51] <kolie> Don't declare war. It's a special military activity.
[19:10:53] <kolie> :)
[19:11:04] <janrinok> that rings a bell....
[19:11:23] <kolie> Declaring war is playing by the rules.
[19:11:29] <janrinok> kinetic diplomacy
[19:11:32] <kolie> Who does that any more.
[19:11:36] <kolie> Kinetic diplomacy I love that.
[19:11:43] <kolie> Reminds me of percussive maintenance on the servers.
[19:11:48] <janrinok> lol
[19:11:55] <ted-ious> Technically it won't be terrorism when iranian agents set california on fire it will be military action.
[19:12:18] <kolie> haha man that would be the days
[19:12:20] <ted-ious> It's almost fire season too.
[19:13:07] <kolie> Keep my 10rd ar mags loaded for terror!
[19:16:30] <kolie> If iran remains steady with the number os missile barrages so far, estimates but israel able to maintain 12 more days of this activity.
[19:17:44] <janrinok> that is without resupply
[19:17:51] <kolie> the marker, reports missile defense costs 285m usd a night.
[19:17:59] <kolie> Yea.
[19:18:28] <janrinok> with this many transport ac about I cannot keep track of all of them :)
[19:18:51] <kolie> So basically, they got in this, and they are counting on us opening up the warehouse and cash pallet airdrops.
[19:19:06] <janrinok> The US is only short of money for doing things that Trump doesn't want to do.
[19:19:14] <kolie> haha
[19:19:30] <kolie> We are only short 37 trill.
[19:19:57] <janrinok> yes, but they will 'solve' that by removing the ceiling. Isn't that how it works?
[19:20:12] <kolie> Why don't we just make 37 trillion dollar coins?
[19:20:33] <janrinok> You only need to make one. Which pocket do you think it might end up in?
[19:21:06] <kolie> throw them at china
[19:21:14] <kolie> hypersonically.
[19:21:27] <kolie> same day amazon delivery :)
[19:21:37] <janrinok> now that might be a plan. Don't let anyone in govt hear you....
[19:23:28] <janrinok> I'm confused. 2 tankers have flown from Germany all the way to Saudi Arabia, they did not conduct any obvious refuelling of other aircraft, and they have now turned round and are going back the way they came?
[19:24:36] <janrinok> Practise run? Too high having chicks in tow.
[19:25:50] <janrinok> I suppose it could be night navigation training but I wouldn't have thought that necessary, and certainly no wise under current tension.
[19:26:08] <chromas> Gotta fire the missiles and burn the fuel, otherwise the budget won't go up next year
[19:26:24] <kolie> using like flight aware?
[19:26:29] <janrinok> I hope that tankers are not firing missiles. That will end in tears.
[19:28:09] <janrinok> not all the time but that might just be a coverage problem
[19:28:43] <janrinok> they are certainly not covert or even trying to hide their activity.
[19:34:51] <ted-ious> What are the estimates for how long israel can hold out if iran bombs half as many water plants as the israelis?
[19:35:19] <ted-ious> Or did iran already start hitting the same targets?
[19:36:29] <kolie> ive seen estimates speculating iran has half the missiles they did from a week ago.
[19:36:43] <janrinok> I saw one report today that said the number of missile being fired by Iran now is about half the number that they were firing at the beginning (all of 4/5 days ago)
[19:36:50] <janrinok> SNAP!
[19:36:52] <kolie> lol
[19:37:03] <kolie> Supply vs incoming
[19:37:10] <kolie> it does seem like they are responding .... less.
[19:37:25] <kolie> apparently it takes them awhile to rearm anyways
[19:37:25] <ted-ious> But it doesn't take very many missiles to wreck a water treatment plant or a nuclear reactor for that matter.
[19:37:55] <kolie> mm. i was wondering too, like if they dig up the uranium centrifuges in a dust plume, hope they don't kick that up too much ><
[19:38:13] <janrinok> no, but they haven't done it yet. It might be something they consider as a last dying gasp sort of thing.
[19:38:28] <ted-ious> If it's true that even women are gathering in public and screaming at the ayatolah to build the nuke I don't see this conflict getting less destructive any time soon.
[19:39:18] <janrinok> Nope, there is much call for optimism yet
[19:39:33] <ted-ious> Maybe the reports of tehran having no sewer service are western propaganda but I doubt it.
[19:39:39] <janrinok> ***there isn't much
[19:40:13] <ted-ious> So how long can it be before the irgc feels it has no choice but to tit for tat?
[19:40:24] <janrinok> Yesterday
[19:40:32] <kolie> We are seeing massive increase in tanke traffic to european staging bases, surge in strategic airlift flights to hubs like al udeid and al dhafra, whispers of long range bombers in forward locations including diego garcia, and a lot of unusual flight activity, all of this on stuff like fligh taware, and yea there are some weird callsings and formation, but some of these dont even have transponders off lol
[19:40:58] <kolie> who even knows if they can do anything effectual at this point.
[19:41:01] <ted-ious> Oh great.
[19:41:35] <janrinok> this is certainly not subtle - which is why I am wondering if it is a threat/bluff
[19:41:45] <kolie> It's a hell of a bluff
[19:41:59] <kolie> and yea our president does like to swing a big cock around.
[19:42:07] <ted-ious> So iike I said the united states military has been ordered into an illegal war and there's no longer any reason for iranian agents to wait before blowing up our infrastructure.
[19:42:12] <kolie> He wipped it out and is mushroom stamping the map of the middle east.
[19:42:17] <janrinok> But Iran certainly know what could happen if they don't agree to Trump's 'deal'.
[19:42:33] <kolie> its posturing no doubt.
[19:42:40] <kolie> IF thats all it is... up to debate rn.
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[19:42:58] <kolie> sup Runaway
[19:43:10] <kolie> welcome to the war planning room.
[19:43:47] <ted-ious> Oh good here's somebody who should be smart enough to understand what 5th generation warfare actually means when it comes home to clueless americans.
[19:44:01] <janrinok> they've been ordered to _prepare_ for an illegal war. But they haven't started it yet.
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[19:44:30] <chromas> Are there legal wars?
[19:44:33] <kolie> I think a bunch of the US could use a wakeup in the form of understanding the realities of the deranged shit that we actually are largely disconnect from.
[19:44:52] <kolie> Might, idk, make people think twice before the rabid support for maga of the day
[19:45:29] <ted-ious> Deranged shit like fueling and supplying all the weapons for multiple illegal wars of aggression?
[19:46:01] <kolie> nah, consequences of actions.
[19:46:18] <kolie> Iranian agents waking up en masse.
[19:47:22] <ted-ious> How are we going to convince the world that the consequences of our actions should be something other than a billion muslims treating america like we are actively at war with them?
[19:48:04] <ted-ious> You can pretend all you want that you did nothing wrong but the other guy gets to make up his own mind.
[19:48:36] <janrinok> It is not a 'Muslim' war - half of the muslim nations are supporting the US at the moment.
[19:48:37] <kolie> I've been speaking with a few 1st gen persians
[19:48:45] <ted-ious> The israeli government already has an appointment in the hague for the same crimes as the nazi's in 1939.
[19:48:49] <kolie> From what I gleaned from them, they don't like khemenei
[19:49:04] <kolie> And kind of are okay with it. Iran people good, iran govt bad, was the impression I get from them.
[19:49:11] <ted-ious> I believe the charge was initiating and prosecuting an aggressive war.
[19:50:58] <kolie> dtla has no curfew anymore.
[19:51:52] <ted-ious> The people paying for the protesters have other things occupying their attention.
[20:05:50] <janrinok> time for my bed, but there is an awful lot of tanker activity this evening... G'night guys!
[20:06:39] <kolie> night night
[20:06:56] <janrinok> laters kolie
[21:27:06] <ted-ious> Hmm live feed from tel aviv?
[21:27:15] <ted-ious> https://presstv.ir
[21:27:17] <systemd> ^ 03Blackout: Israel bans live aerial feeds as Iranian missiles pound occupied territories ( https://www.presstv.ir )
[21:38:30] <kolie> More missles.
[21:39:12] <kolie> https://www.youtube.com is what I'm using, seems live.
[21:39:14] <systemd> ^ 03LIVE: Tel Aviv skyline amid ongoing tensions between Israel and Iran
[21:39:56] <ted-ious> Oh I thought you went to bed.
[21:41:02] <kolie> jan did
[21:41:06] <kolie> Its 2:40 pm here.
[21:43:00] <kolie> sirents on the tel aviv feed
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