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[02:35:23] <ted-ious> Wow there was a county in washington state with a 98% acceptance rate for the covid jabs.
[02:36:05] <ted-ious> halibut: https://www.opastpublishers.com
[02:36:05] <systemd> ^ 03Excess Cardiopulmonary Arrest and Mortality after COVID-19 Vaccination in King County, Washington
[02:46:42] <chromas> yep, northwest wa. they control the state
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[06:01:24] <c0lo> https://www.ucsf.edu
[06:01:26] <systemd> ^ 03How Hungry Fat Cells Could Someday Starve Cancer to Death
[06:02:29] <c0lo> =sub https://www.ucsf.edu +https://www.nature.com/articles/s41587-024-02551-2
[06:02:33] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03How Hungry Fat Cells Could Someday Starve Cancer to Death" (26p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[06:10:44] <c0lo> =sub please merge with prev submission https://www.youtube.com
[06:10:48] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03We FINALLY Found a Way to Starve Cancer" (2p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[06:11:56] <ted-ious> https://www.youtube.com
[06:11:58] <systemd> ^ 03MSE New Report - BPS in Paper Receipts
[06:29:24] <halibut> ted-ious: Your only comment on the link you tagged me with was about the 98% vaccination rate. That is impressive.
[06:30:29] <inz> Hungry hungry fat cells
[06:30:46] <halibut> If you wanted my thoughts on the paper, I was not impressed. The title is technically accurate, but as they state in both the conclusion on the first page (particularly the second of the three sentences in it) and more in-depth in section 3.1, their study is pretty flawed, and they are aware of it.
[06:31:50] <halibut> The bulk of their study provides decent evidence that deaths increased through 2021 through 2023 (although they use linear extrapolation to get the 2023 data point, which is also suspicious).
[06:32:19] <inz> But went on with it anyway, cause it makes the news
[06:32:27] <halibut> They then correlate that with vaccination rate, which was also increasing during that time ... but as they themselves pointed out, a lot of other things were changing during that time, making for a pretty suspicious correlation.
[06:33:41] <halibut> Their discussion section (weirdly enough, section 4, but it comes before section 3.1) has a lot of references that might be interesting to look at, but I have not had time yet to take a look.
[06:47:03] <halibut> Hmm ... I picked one of the references, found it, and skimmed through it: https://www.mdpi.com
[06:47:03] <systemd> ^ 03Access Denied
[06:48:34] <halibut> Also not impressed. They are apparently trying to look for death rates between unvaccinated and various levels of vaccinations, but they appear to be switching people between groups (a person who is unvaccinated during the start of the trial might be considered vaccinated later on).
[06:49:36] <halibut> They throw around a lot of statistical test names, which I confess I do not understand, and give a lot of confidence intervals, but despite specifically describing how they switch people between groups, I cannot find any mention of how many people were switched.
[06:52:05] <halibut> That leaves them open to a very strong bias problem, which I doubt any statistical test can correct for: People getting vaccinated during 2021 and 2022, both of which are in the period where death rates were higher, run the risk of dying ``earlier'' than their unvaccinated counterparts (since, as I understand it, immediately after their first dose, they switch to the vaccinated population, and, as I
[06:52:12] <halibut> understand it, their ``clocks'' reset).
[06:54:01] <halibut> I always like using extreme examples to point out problems in statistics (reductio ad absurdum). If make up a case where the entire population is unvaccinated the first year, and then they all get vaccinated, and immediately after, the delta variant comes through and kill 1%, their analysis will show that only the vaccinated group shows an increase in death rates, because the unvaccinated group was all
[06:54:07] <halibut> before the delta variant.
[06:54:46] <halibut> It does not sound like they were able to do anything to correct for that timing, leaving their analysis pretty open.
[06:56:08] <halibut> Anyways, that is all I have time for today. I do not really enjoy grading papers like this, so I will probably not look at too many more.
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[09:44:46] <c0lo> Does any college in US offer robot oilers/greaser courses?
[09:52:57] <janrinok> I've seen some who could offer palm greasing courses, but not robot greasers...
[10:21:31] <c0lo> Hiring lobbyists works well if you have palm grease and a sense of purpose.
[10:21:31] <c0lo> Not quite applicable for LA port workers, they'll have 35% spare time this month, some of them may be keen to learn a trade complementary to their current one.
[10:21:32] <c0lo> https://www.youtube.com
[10:21:34] <systemd> ^ 03US Port Update - May 4, 2025 | Trade Wars: Port of Los Angeles Says Imports are Dropping
[10:25:00] <Ingar> Make America Great Again by giving the workers more free time
[10:38:40] <c0lo> Free money, eh?
[11:35:32] <Ingar> time is money is an economist illusion
[11:58:33] <Fnord666> Remember that to an economist, the real world is considered a special case.
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