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[03:18:22] <c0lo> https://www.sciencenews.org
[03:18:23] <systemd> ^ 03A gas clump in the Milky Way’s neighborhood might be a ‘dark galaxy’
[03:18:45] <c0lo> =sub https://www.sciencenews.org +https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.ads4057
[03:18:48] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03A Gas Clump in the Milky Way’s Neighborhood Might be a ‘Dark Galaxy’" (2p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[05:38:44] <chromas> galaxy farts
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[07:28:49] <Ingar> greetings
[07:28:57] <Ingar> glorious last day of april
[07:30:48] <chromas> g'day
[07:50:55] <Ingar> g'morning chromas
[07:52:54] <chromas> any sliver moon photos?
[07:59:30] <janrinok> Morning Ingar. It is, indeed, a glorious day. Sun is shining. Might get outside and do some gardening later.
[08:01:50] <Ingar> don't might, do!
[08:12:37] <janrinok> I have lots of conflicting tasks at the moment - but it is climbing higher as the day goes by!
[08:14:09] <fab23> lucky that tomorrow is a public holiday :)
[08:17:34] <Ingar> labour day.. the day you don't work
[08:17:37] <Ingar> I love the concept
[08:17:44] <Ingar> and I took friday off as well :D
[08:18:46] <fab23> :)
[08:26:38] <inz> Should go buy yeast to make some doughnuts.
[08:26:44] <inz> Too late to make sima though
[08:33:46] <Ingar> I'm always a bit suspicious about traditional scandinavian beverages with lemons
[09:16:01] <inz> When life gives you lemons, make sima.
[09:16:57] <inz> If you let it ferment long enough, it'll help.
[09:19:01] <Ingar> Ingar's second law: given enough time, aby problem dissolves itself
[09:30:47] <inz> Applies especially to mathematics
[09:51:54] <Ingar> a forteriori all problems are dissolved with the heat death of the universe
[09:56:37] <c0lo> heat death of the universe is "frozen" tho' - the entropy is at its maximum, thermal equilibrium everywhere, there's no "heat" gradient thus nothing has a reason to move
[11:00:08] <chromas> When everybody's hot....nobody's hot
[11:49:53] <Ingar> coincidently, it is 23C outside
[11:53:09] <c0lo> it's 9C.
[12:07:54] <fab23> Ingar is right, it is 23˚C
[12:08:39] <chromas> Wabbit Cson!
[12:44:48] <c0lo> In my bedroom, so it is.
[12:47:30] <c0lo> Holly cow, the chinese could comfortable LOL at Trump's tariffs. If only they had time for LOL-ing.
[12:47:30] <c0lo> https://www.youtube.com
[12:47:33] <systemd> ^ 03The Bizarre World of Chinese “3 Second” Livestream Selling
[12:49:15] <c0lo> "This lady is GenZ Sonic on Aderall"
[12:49:56] <inz> fab23, no, c0lo is right, it's 9˚C
[12:53:49] <fab23> we should have a flat earth, then all would have the same conditions, a globe just causes too much such troubles :)
[13:03:54] <chromas> if earth not flat then how come plateau?
[13:06:42] <chromas> and look, even if I take one of your precious globes and throw it on the ground, it doesn't even fall off!. clearly the earth is not only flat but trammed and leveled
[13:21:27] <Ingar> I bet you're living in the Netherlands
[14:00:08] <fab23> chromas: It may be even the other way around and we are inside a globe, why else would shoes wear off in front and end first?
[14:08:46] <Ingar> the world is a disc carried by four elephants on the back of a giant turtle
[14:08:58] <Ingar> so it is flat and round, all at the same time!
[14:16:56] <fab23> \o/
[18:16:55] <chromas> now you're just stealing from the bible
[18:27:59] <fab23> =submit https://daringfireball.net
[18:28:00] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Another Periodic Suggestion to Try, Just Try, Switching to Kagi for Search" (15p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[18:28:31] <fab23> maybe to promotional for SN :(
[18:44:44] <janrinok> I've visited their web page but the prices are more than I would want to pay for a search engine.
[18:47:57] <fab23> For me personal the smallest yearly subscription works well ~50.- USD/year. It seams that I do not search enough and I am usually below 50 searches per month.
[18:51:44] <fab23> it is USD 54.- +tax (for me only 8.1%), which totals in less then 60.- USD
[18:54:44] <fab23> If you get to 300 searches a month, then you would do an average of 10 searches per day, and if you think that you are hitting your yearly limit too early, you can always do some searches with DDG or such.
[18:55:55] <fab23> I have not remembered the number of searched I had close to one year before the renewal, but I was probably not even reaching half ot them.
[18:56:05] <fab23> s/ot/of/
[18:57:11] <fab23> And you can change the subscription type any time, because "Upgrade or downgrade at any time, your unused balance will be pro-rated and applied to your new plan."
[18:57:46] <janrinok> I will give it some thought but it stills makes me feel uncomfortable that the internet appears to be moving to requiring a payment for things that have been free since the internet began.
[18:58:28] <fab23> Enshitification, you can choose to be the product or be the user/client.
[18:58:30] <janrinok> Will we be expected to pay for browsers next, or maybe for using a particular OS or desktop?
[18:58:55] <fab23> <- is paying with a donation to Firefox and Thunderbird
[18:59:39] <janrinok> I do donate where I find something that is of use to me. But that is usually after I have used it for a while and believe that I have had some value from what they have written.
[19:00:01] <fab23> I also do donations for some other stuff as well (SN pending again since 2 month ☹️)
[19:01:12] <fab23> janrinok: you can test kagi for free, you get 100 searches
[19:02:14] <janrinok> Yes I saw that. However, you are contributing to this site by monitoring the feeds. Weren't you invited to join 'staff'?
[19:02:47] <fab23> janrinok: yes, email still pending to answer, chaotic times
[19:04:21] <janrinok> there is no rush for the email response :)
[19:04:37] <fab23> I feel really sorry
[19:05:13] <janrinok> you needn't do. We all have busy lives away from the kbd
[19:05:29] <fab23> or on the kbd as well :)
[19:05:34] <janrinok> lol
[19:06:26] <janrinok> time for me to be leaving this computer terminal and getting on with the end of my day routine. I will chat to you again sometime!
[19:06:28] <fab23> back to the topic, with kagi I did find solutions to problems I run in, which DDG did not find.
[19:06:46] <fab23> sure, good night
[19:06:48] <janrinok> I might give it a try
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[19:12:12] <chromas> Opera used to be a paid product and it was the best browser
[19:12:43] <chromas> You can also use meta search 'engines' like searxng
[19:14:11] <fab23> or build a distributed SN community search with YaCy
[19:14:48] <fab23> or searx
[19:15:35] <chromas> I've run yacy before. it's alright. crawling would always slow down after awhile and I'd have to restart it for ten minutes every couple days
[19:16:48] <chromas> plus it's java. ewwwww
[19:18:18] <chromas> actually, mozilla has a crawler that they could build a search injun on top of
[19:20:44] <fab23> hm, I did find https://github.com but it is archived
[19:23:01] <fab23> and https://github.com but as I understand this is for a special purpose
[19:23:02] <systemd> ^ 03GitHub - mozilla/coverage-crawler: A crawler to find websites that exercise code in Firefox that is not covered by unit tests
[19:23:11] <chromas> I might have been thinking of https://commoncrawl.org
[19:23:11] <systemd> ^ 03Common Crawl - Open Repository of Web Crawl Data
[19:23:18] <chromas> that doesn't seem to be moz though
[19:23:26] <chromas> maybe it used to be
[19:23:33] <fab23> chromas: that is just crawled data in S3 buckets :)
[19:23:56] <fab23> they are independet, as far as I know.
[19:23:58] <chromas> right. once you have that, all you need is some ranking and filtering
[19:24:47] <fab23> Have learned that they existes, as their crawler once was crawling ugly built URL on the company website. I contacted them and they fix it quite quickly
[19:25:02] <chromas> if you're doing the open source thing then you can pop in whatever algorithms you wand and ignore any software patents
[19:26:24] <chromas> actually that's one place where an llm or something could be useful. instead of generating slop answers and stuff, just have it give each page a quality index value...factor whatever that you can use for ranking later on
[19:26:26] <fab23> sure, but I guess to be able to work with their data useful, you have to either d/l (with slower througput) or run your stuff on AWS (where you as a logged in user get full speed access).
[19:28:12] <fab23> Kagi's quick answer does kind of AI stuff on the top results and give you a good summary, help full if the first few linkes are from stack over flow type of sites
[19:29:58] <chromas> oh never mind. on the Get Started page there's a combo box to "Choose crawl..." and if you click outside the combo box it doesn't close. incompetent programmers. never mind, fuck these guys
[19:31:15] <fab23> who?
[19:32:23] <chromas> common crawl
[19:32:54] <chromas> https://commoncrawl.org
[19:32:54] <systemd> ^ 03Common Crawl - Get Started
[19:32:55] <fab23> ah found it, just click again on the arrow on the right
[19:33:34] <fab23> or even clicking again into the drop down bar does the trick
[19:33:44] <chromas> right well you should be able to click anywhere off it to close it. that's been standard combobox behavior for like 40 years, and standard web popup behavior for at least 20
[19:33:54] <fab23> but sure ESC or click somewhere else also should do it, but it does not :(
[19:37:26] <chromas> right, so what other incompetencies do they posses? eating chinese without chopsticks? compressing with xz?
[19:38:20] <fab23> putting pinapple on a pizza :)
[19:38:53] <fab23> chromas: as seen on the get-started page, they do use gzip
[19:40:00] <chromas> I can rest a little easier then
[19:53:27] <fab23> chromas: I would start d/l the hundreds of TB from CommonCrawl then, it may take a while, and another one for the unpacking. :)
[20:04:02] <chromas> https://www.mirror.co.uk
[20:04:04] <systemd> ^ 03Friendly dog follows Google Map snapper and shows up in every Street View shot
[20:12:10] <ted-ious> LOL
[20:27:27] <chromas> I'm surprised they haven't censored the dog
[20:32:56] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[20:32:59] <systemd> ^ 03The First Guy To Ever Dance
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