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[00:00:14] <chromas> I just got fiber, but now that I don't have a modem to reboot itself every once in a while, I guess the other hardware has to fill in
[00:33:15] <ted-ious> Does it actually reboot?
[00:33:31] <ted-ious> Or does it just drop the connection and need to reconnect?
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[01:06:49] <protoplenum> Why was my comment deleted?
[01:11:43] <chromas> Full reboot. It beeps and everything
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[01:14:43] <protoplenum> Why was I kicked?
[01:15:32] <chromas> No kick; only delete
[01:17:04] <protoplenum> Says "× chromas kicked you from #soylent (deleted!)"
[01:18:33] <protoplenum> At least the lies are becoming transparent, here on Soylent-formerly news.
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[01:24:41] <chromas> Lies are just a social construct and don't have any meaning in current society. Let me live my truth
[05:44:48] <chromas> I put a practically idling PC fan near the router and it shaved off ~8–10°
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[08:40:26] <janrinok> =submit https://www.technologyreview.com
[10:03:23] <Ingar> got up on the wrong side of the bed
[10:03:41] <Ingar> now I want to lynch someone
[10:03:52] * janrinok ducks back out of site again
[10:04:12] * Ingar covers janrinok
[10:05:04] <Ingar> janrinok: thanks, you made me chuckle, I feel better already :)
[10:05:31] <janrinok> np - I'll try to cheer you up
[10:05:54] <Ingar> I blame the winter solstice
[10:06:52] <Ingar> it actually does feel like new moon
[10:08:05] <janrinok> some people say they can tell, but I don't detect anything different. I know some gardeners swear that it affects when to plant seeds etc.
[10:08:28] <Ingar> moonphase does affect gardening indeed
[10:08:37] <janrinok> there you go...
[10:08:39] <Ingar> mostly becuase of light and photosynthesis and all that
[10:09:00] <Ingar> plants are more active during the nights with more moonlight
[10:09:12] <janrinok> I tend to bury my seeds but I suppose it could affect surface sowing.
[10:09:50] <Ingar> and the moon-sun system does cause some slight gravitational changes
[10:10:00] <Ingar> (see: tides)
[10:10:30] <janrinok> again, I'm not sure how significant that is to seeds. Established plants maybe.
[10:11:49] <Ingar> the lack of hard science is a bit sad though
[10:12:04] <janrinok> If you had to show one photograph as an example of your work, which one would it be. The most difficult to achieve? The most clear image? Or perhaps just the memories that go with taking it?
[10:14:25] <Ingar> my favourite recent picture is the Heart Nebula http://ingar.intranifty.net
[10:14:45] <Ingar> I had tried it before and I was amazed on how much detail I got out of it
[10:15:26] <Ingar> but the Elephant Trunk http://ingar.intranifty.net is also a serious contender
[10:15:59] <Ingar> it gives me this feeling of an apocalyptic scene
[10:17:27] <Ingar> (I actually printed the latter as a condolence card for someone who's father passed away)
[10:17:31] <janrinok> Can't open either of them. I've tried FF and Brave.
[10:17:38] <Ingar> meh
[10:17:56] <Ingar> oh wait it might be a DNS issue
[10:18:22] <janrinok> I'm getting a 'Not Found'
[10:18:56] <Ingar> the hosting company has been moving virtual machines around in their datacenter
[10:19:09] <Ingar> I didn't check if DNS is still correct
[10:19:51] <Ingar> mmm it should be
[10:20:06] <janrinok> I have had a similar problem but not since I set my router to update the dyndns every time it changes
[10:21:35] <Ingar> janrinok: this this work for you http://51.15.88.91 1396 Elephants Trunk Nebula-2K.jpg
[10:21:45] <Ingar> (ah darn spaces sorry)
[10:21:56] <janrinok> nope :)
[10:22:22] <Ingar> *facepalm*
[10:22:31] <Ingar> obviously that doesnt work with the current vhost config
[10:22:36] <janrinok> I was happy to talk about them. I remember them both.
[10:22:51] <Ingar> janrinok: I think my IPv6 is broken
[10:23:33] <Ingar> janrinok: does just plain http://51.15.88.91 give you my startpage ?
[10:23:40] <Ingar> there should be a jesus
[10:24:14] <janrinok> yep - your home page is good
[10:24:56] <Ingar> janrinok: thank you for joining troubleshooting with ingar on saturday morning
[10:25:29] <Ingar> looks like it is a combo of bad DNS of apache config that needs tweaking
[10:25:31] <janrinok> lol - I was just searching for submissions and was glad of the excuse to take a break!
[10:25:36] <Ingar> *and apache
[10:26:48] <janrinok> so many websites nowadays do not let you read their posts unless you subscribe, or give them your email, or sacrifice one's firstborn...
[10:27:51] <Ingar> or disable adblockers
[10:28:00] <Ingar> (youtube is on another pestering round)
[10:28:55] <Ingar> bah, even the login page for my vm management doesn't load
[10:29:03] <janrinok> I don't look for youtubes, and my software can extract a story from many pages while discarding the ads. The urls of the ads are rarely from the same site as the story.
[10:29:25] <janrinok> I'm sorry, I've made even more work for you...
[10:29:53] <Ingar> don't worry, I just throw it on the pile
[10:31:11] <janrinok> have you always taken your best photos from home, or when you have moved further afield?
[10:32:08] <Ingar> I've only imaged from my garden so far (I'm tied to mains power atm)
[10:32:09] <janrinok> I don't have far to go to get away from light pollution, but you sound nearer to a built up area than I am
[10:32:22] <Ingar> but there are certain times the steet lights go out, and that makes a massive difference
[10:32:42] <janrinok> Would a small generator be a possibility?
[10:32:52] <Ingar> battery
[10:33:11] <Ingar> I'm actually considering to order one, because of holiday discounts
[10:33:18] <Ingar> 30% off is kinda nice
[10:33:47] <janrinok> I agree. I'm topping up some of my spares at the moment.
[10:35:20] <Ingar> https://www.bresser.com
[10:36:20] <Ingar> (I need 12V and USB)
[10:37:21] <janrinok> That looks good - but I had to laugh at the spelling mistake "pure sinus wave at 230V/500W ". Gets right up my nose that sort of thing!
[10:38:52] <Ingar> marketing material... "washes whiter! smeels fresher!"
[10:39:10] <janrinok> lol
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[10:39:50] <janrinok> but I like the idea that it is silent.
[10:40:22] <janrinok> have you got any future destinations in mind if you buy the battery PSU?
[10:42:05] <Ingar> not specifically. I'd start in the neighbourhood to get used to the setup
[10:42:21] <pseudoplenum> "so many websites nowadays do not let you read their posts unless you subscribe, or give them your email, or sacrifice one's firstborn., to Moloch, or Janrinok."  Damn Pagan baby eating Gods!
[10:42:36] <Ingar> The Ardens might be an option. they'r nearby, relatively dark and I know the area
[10:43:16] <Ingar> I also have a friend at the coast to whom I still own a visit
[10:44:02] <pseudoplenum> Careful of LiIon batterys that put out less than 12VDC, three cell ones esp.
[10:45:06] <Ingar> The Wadden Islands in the Netherlands might also be an interesting destination
[10:46:20] <janrinok> I've not been there but it looks good on the map
[10:46:47] <pseudoplenum> Oh, BTW, janrinok is a Fink!!!
[10:47:22] <Ingar> the biggest issue is the weather
[10:47:33] <Ingar> planning a trip in advance is .... useless
[10:47:49] <janrinok> lol - especially at this time of year
[10:48:17] <Ingar> it's so bad, been having clouds for almost two months now
[10:50:05] <pseudoplenum> Did a trip to legendary dark skies, in the right season.  Had one night out of two weeks.  What you gonna do?
[10:52:22] <pseudoplenum> And, jan, stop deleting ACs!  Not a good look for the champions of free speech!
[10:52:42] <janrinok> I'd been searching for those 2 photos, and then I realised that they are on a different machine! Doh!
[10:53:41] <pseudoplenum> Or did you delete them, and forgot?  Seems to happen a lot, here.
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[10:54:49] <janrinok> Ingar, how long does it take approximately to set up at a new site, or to tear down from your home site?
[10:59:22] <Ingar> janrinok: at home, I'm usually imaging within 30-60 minutes
[11:00:32] <Ingar> polar alignment and focussing takes most time, and it is somewhat unpredictable fiddling
[11:00:51] <janrinok> what is the longest (and the shortest) exposure times that you can get a decent picture with?
[11:01:25] <Ingar> that depends on many factors (and the target)
[11:01:56] <Ingar> I usually do 5 minute exposures
[11:02:43] <janrinok> do you bracket the same target several times to make sure that you have got a good one?
[11:02:45] <Ingar> I don't have enough accuracy for longer, and longer exposures also means more light pollution
[11:03:36] <Ingar> janrinok: you take dozens of pictures of the same target and run them through software to make 'an average image'
[11:03:48] <janrinok> that makes sense
[11:04:11] <Ingar> also know as 'stacking'
[11:04:17] <janrinok> so most of the work is in the post-processing?
[11:04:23] <Ingar> there statistics and science behind that wich makes my head explode
[11:05:00] <Ingar> janrinok: yes. your resulting image also has an extremely high dynamic range (stars very bright nebulae very dim)
[11:05:13] <Ingar> you need to mess with the color curves a lot
[11:05:59] <Ingar> 50% technobable, 50% photoshop
[11:06:26] <janrinok> Can you do the processing at a remote site or do you have to return to your home for that?
[11:06:51] <Ingar> processing I do at home, on my beastly desktop PC
[11:07:05] <janrinok> I was just wondering whether you know you have got enough good data at a remote site?
[11:07:24] <janrinok> I suppose that comes with experience though...
[11:07:42] <Ingar> janrinok: you do get previews, so you do have an idea wheter or not the data will be useable
[11:08:06] <Ingar> e.g. if your stars like discoballs, you know something is wrong ;)
[11:08:14] <Ingar> *look like discoballs
[11:09:00] <Ingar> but you won't known the actual result until you get there
[11:17:41] <janrinok> afk for a short while
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[16:07:50] <drussell> Just an FYI, I've been obserbing some strange behavior here this morning trying to access the main site... Occasionally I get an 500 Internal Server Error, sometimes only the header and left sidebar with no content, then a moment or two later it will load fine again.
[16:08:19] <drussell> Seems strange, but it's not totally borked at the moment... Just thought I would pass that along in case anyone else starts to see flakiness.
[16:12:48] <janrinok> I've seen a similar thing but I am not sure but I am not sure whether it is the connection or our site. Thanks for the comment.
[16:14:08] <janrinok> The .onion connection is very slow too, and I am wondering if something is filling up and running out of space.
[16:14:16] <drussell> I wasn't sure either, but it was definitely the site.... I tried loading a bunch of other random things while it was misbehaving and everything else was super snappy.
[16:14:32] <drussell> chromas, Your reboots are probably not BSD's fault... :) Generally most random reboots caused by page faults, segmentation faults and bus errors tend to be hardware related. Often flakey memory or less-often a flakey CPU. Try stressing it with a memtest86 or similar, if it still passes then try underclocking both the CPU and memory by about 20% and see if it smartens up.
[16:14:36] <fab23> If you get an Error 500 it is always the site not able to properly run the server side code (could be anything, including not able to connect to database)
[16:14:42] <drussell> bsd++
[16:14:42] <bender> bsd: -1
[16:15:23] <fab23> bsd++
[16:15:23] <bender> bsd: 0
[16:16:06] <janrinok> I haven't seen a 500, I have only seen partially composed views.
[16:16:55] <drussell> Yeah, just a few moments ago it was just spinning, spinning (FF waiting for a connection) and then it came back with a 500 for me...
[16:17:19] <drussell> Several reloads later, I got a partially composed page, then several more reloads later, the site finally popped up.
[16:17:39] <drussell> All times were very slow to respond, as well..
[16:17:59] <drussell> Currently, it pops up quickly and seems normal.
[16:20:20] <drussell> Ingar, That "BRESSER Portable Power Station" looks like a decent unit, but VERY pricey for only 43Ah and 500W inverter, even with the 36% off deal. That's over $520 Canadian, and that price is sans tax or shipping. That is eye-wateringly expensive.
[16:24:08] <janrinok> We pay far more for electronics goods than you do. If we order from overseas it often gets hit with a tax on arrival in country.
[16:24:14] <drussell> Ingar, Here you can pick up a much better quality, 5000+ cycle-rated, 100Ah, LiFePO4 12V battery for under $300 CAD and a cheap but good 1000W/2500W surge sine-wave inverter off Amazon for about $100 and have more than double that Bresser's capacity for $120 less...
[16:25:12] <drussell> A lead-acid battery would obviously be even less expensive, but then you suffer the weight penalty of ~2.5x or so... obviously... :)
[16:25:12] <janrinok> ah yes, but the Bresser is a "pure sinus wave" - bet you cannot get that in Canada!
[16:25:26] <drussell> My cheap Amazon inverter is sine wave.
[16:25:36] <drussell> Our power was out for about 8h day before yesterday...
[16:25:38] <janrinok> read what I wrote
[16:26:36] <drussell> I grabbed my 98Ah deep-cycle battery from my boat and stuck that little inverter on it. Worked a treat. :)
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[16:39:50] <drussell> janrinok, This is not the USA and their focus on free dumb. In Canada we _understand_ the concept of varying dialects, especially regional... :) A sinusoidal wave is mathematically a sine function, calling it a sine wave, sinus wave, sinusoidal wave or whatever are all understandable and valid, nothing to sneeze at.
[16:43:57] <janrinok> I will accept sinusoidal or simple sine wave - but snot a sinus wave. I know what I nose!
[16:45:35] <drussell> I also prefer to leave "sinus" wave to the medical field and cardiac sunus rhythm waveforms... :)
[16:46:24] <janrinok> time to start cooking my evening meal.... afk for a while
[16:46:50] <drussell> Time for some breakfast here... :)
[16:47:37] <janrinok> And the site just disappeared for me. Long enough to break my connections.
[16:48:37] <drussell> I managed to obtain a nice >1 Kg slab of really nice locally smoked bacon for $6.49 CAD, pulled out the meat slicer yesterday to make nice even slices of streaky goodness.. I think I shall fry some of THAT up... haha
[16:49:23] <drussell> It is very low fat for streaky bacon... Some of the best I have seen in many years... And it was 1/4 price sooooooo... ...
[16:50:04] <drussell> Perhaps some extra for lunch, make a BLT or a clubhouse sandwich or somehting, I have some nice fresh Rye bread...
[16:51:48] <janrinok> sounds very nice - but I must afk...
[16:55:04] <fab23> yes, something is ugly with the site, just got a blank white page, on reload all looks fine.
[16:57:27] <drussell> Yes, something must be creeping slowly sideways... the question is, can we catch it before it falls over? :)
[16:57:39] <drussell> Weebles wobble, but that don't fall down? :)
[16:58:10] <fab23> I guess someething may be found in the logs, but I guess this is for kolie to check
[16:58:18] <drussell> Indeed.
[16:59:15] <drussell> You would think with it coughing and sputtering there could well be some sort of evidence in the logs.
[17:00:21] <drussell> Poor kolie has spent an amazing amount of time working on the site lately...
[17:00:24] <drussell> kolie++
[17:00:24] <bender> kolie: 22
[17:00:28] <drussell> kolie++
[17:00:28] <bender> kolie: 23
[17:00:51] <drussell> TWO thumbs up... :)
[17:02:30] <fab23> and 23 is a perfect number :)
[17:21:56] <drussell> Mathematically, isn't the closest perfect number 28, not 23? ;)
[17:30:43] <fab23> look at my nick :)
[17:31:24] <drussell> 23 is fab... :)
[17:37:34] <fab23> not my age and also not the year I am born. :)
[18:03:33] <janrinok> has the site settled down again?
[18:11:34] <drussell> It has been working fine for me here... (though have not been on there for an hour or so, let's check! :) )
[18:12:00] <drussell> Yep, no issues at this particular moment... :)
[18:17:22] <drussell> AFK for a bit... Need to go pick up some Amazon packages from the gas station (!??!) pick-up location since they don't actually deliver here anymore, apparently.... and then go by a friend's place to change a headlight bulb and plug my fancy Snap-On diagnostic tool into her Chevy Avalanche 'mobile to see what-TF it's complaining about with the Check Engine light being on... :) Back in a bit...
[18:18:41] <drussell> As an aside, I hate Amazon for many reasons, but they can deliver many things to this rural location in a cost-effective manner, thus I end up using them, as unfortunate as that may be... grrr
[19:41:57] <ted-ious> Amazon delivers to gas stations?
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[20:06:56] <Ingar> drussell: welcome in euro land, at the very least add 21% VAT
[20:33:41] <chromas> Gas stations have addresses so you can deliver to them
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[21:11:44] <mrpg> NASA&#8217;s GeneLab, which is an open-access platform for biological spaceflight data.
[21:12:02] <mrpg> hey that's nice
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[23:48:22] <plectraplenum> What is wrong with this place?
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