#soylent | Logs for 2024-11-13
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[00:00:06] <chromas> poutine--
[00:00:06] <carmuh> poutine: -447
[00:00:57] <chromas> carmuh: whoup coffee
[00:01:03] <kolie> not there yet.
[00:01:22] <kolie> just need to add the commands.
[00:01:23] <chromas> no! I demand 100% feature parity this instant!
[00:01:32] <kolie> its tracking it.
[00:01:41] <kolie> how did it pick up the command?
[00:01:46] <kolie> did you have to give the bot name or not.
[00:01:56] <chromas> Bender's prefix was !
[00:02:10] <chromas> You could do Bender: command or !command
[00:02:16] <chromas> (or bender, command)
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[00:04:03] <kolie> hmm ill have to research how it processed all that.
[00:05:36] <chromas> Are you botting from scratch or using that one base bot you mentioned before?
[00:05:49] <kolie> THis one is basically scratch.
[00:06:17] <chromas> Been awhile since we had bots building here
[00:06:24] <chromas> It's like old times
[00:06:30] <kolie> https://pastebin.com
[00:06:30] <systemd> ^ 03use irc::client::Sender;use irc::proto::{chan, Command, Message};use regex - Pastebin.com
[00:06:58] <chromas> rust?
[00:07:02] <kolie> its
[00:07:04] <kolie> yea
[00:07:13] <kolie> its a pretty direct conversion of the karma.pu
[00:07:14] <kolie> py
[00:07:38] <chromas> MrPlow was a rust bot. You can always swipe from him if TMB left any code on the server
[00:07:50] <kolie> just the bin i think.
[00:08:09] <kolie> not worried about it tbh.
[00:09:28] <kolie> I'm not seeing a command prefix directly in here
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[00:23:24] <chromas> I have if (message.message.startsWith(storage.settings["prefix"]))
[00:23:33] <chromas> systemd: help
[00:23:43] <chromas> I guess I didn't put that part in when converting from pascal to d
[00:24:08] <chromas> checking the nick isn't too much work but don't forget to make it case-insensitive :)
[00:24:19] <kolie> yea
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[00:51:41] <kolie> karma-whydown
[00:51:55] <kolie> karma-whydown coffee
[00:52:05] <kolie> karma-whydown coffee
[00:52:17] <kolie> !karma-whydown coffee
[00:52:17] <devbot> Command failed: fork/exec /misc/command_handler.py: permission denied
[00:52:29] <kolie> he didnt like that.
[00:52:39] <carmuh> reasons for karma down are: ["yes i do", "not possible to do properly without proper equipment", "just to be fair", "As per request :P", "Let's see what this does :P", "Definitely that.", "That's all it's good for!", "keep it low, where it belongs", "back down, where it belongs", "back down where it belongs", "back down where it belongs", "I think not ;)", "Retaliation!", "If only", "Lies!", "Gotta earn 'dem votes.", "Root of a
[00:53:42] <kolie> carmuh, karma pizza
[00:53:42] <carmuh> karma of pizza is 55
[00:54:50] <kolie> !karma aristarchus
[00:54:50] <devbot> Command failed: fork/exec /misc/command_handler.py: permission denied
[00:54:50] <carmuh> karma of aristarchus is -78
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[00:55:18] <kolie> !karma-whydown aristarchus
[00:55:18] <carmuh> no reasons for karma down of aristarchus known yet
[00:55:26] <kolie> !karma-whodown aristarchus
[00:55:26] <carmuh> downers of aristarchus are: Wastrel: -50, SoyGuest83765: -2, Bytram: -2, notkolie: -1, Runaway1956: -2, janrinok: -16, chromas: -1, ptarmigan: -35, aristarchus_: -1
[00:56:14] <kolie> aristarchus-- #hes like a bag of d's
[00:56:14] <carmuh> aristarchus: -79
[00:56:27] <kolie> !karma-whydown aristarchus
[00:56:27] <carmuh> reasons for karma down are: ["hes like a bag of d's"]
[00:56:30] <kolie> lol
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[01:15:23] <kolie> this should be amusing.
[01:16:55] <DuckDuckPenis> Hello my friends! Does SN offer a .onion website still?
[01:19:01] <DuckDuckPenis> You know... A Tor Hidden Service!
[01:19:49] <kolie> is that something we did before.
[01:20:26] <DuckDuckPenis> yes, a few years ago
[01:20:38] <DuckDuckPenis> but last time I tried it it wasn't being mantained, outdated pages
[01:22:01] <kolie> It can certainly be done/
[01:22:04] <DuckDuckPenis> I understand if it's not a priority, but it was nice
[01:22:19] <kolie> why not just access the site over tor?
[01:22:19] <DuckDuckPenis> oh? thanks! where can I be reminded/check on this potential?
[01:22:40] <DuckDuckPenis> kolie: because .onion keeps it in the Tor network
[01:22:49] <DuckDuckPenis> I dislike clearnet
[01:23:01] <DuckDuckPenis> check out onion.debian.org && onion.torproject.org for example
[01:23:18] <ted-ious> Onions are the safest way of accessing a website.
[01:23:24] <kolie> I understand tor and the rational behind it.
[01:23:42] <ted-ious> Well then you already know your answer. :)
[01:24:08] <kolie> The difference between accessing sn.org over tor, and having it directly as a .onion are barely tangible.
[01:24:38] <ted-ious> kolie: Oh ok then I guess you don't understand the rationale behind onions.
[01:24:53] <kolie> I do. I've ran hidden services since they've been a thing.
[01:25:31] <ted-ious> Then you know that using the onion instead of going over the clear net completely removes the possibility of attack by a dishonest exit node operator.
[01:26:10] <ted-ious> It's just as good as giving a free vpn account to every user and letting them connect to your website directly.
[01:26:40] <kolie> Exit operators don't see much if you are using https already, which is why I said, barely tangible.
[01:27:26] <kolie> I'm inclined to add it as an onion service btw.
[01:29:02] <ted-ious> https://www.blackhat.com
[01:29:07] <ted-ious> https://github.com
[01:29:08] <systemd> ^ 03GitHub - mitmproxy/mitmproxy: An interactive TLS-capable intercepting HTTP proxy for penetration testers and software developers.
[01:29:48] <ted-ious> https://github.com
[01:29:49] <systemd> ^ 03Practical-SSL-TLS-Attacks/TLS-mitm-methods.md at master
[01:30:51] <DuckDuckPenis> kolie: that would be great, thank you! I hope to see it one day.
[01:30:53] <kolie> The marlinkspike paper hasn't been relevant in a long time.
[01:32:23] <ted-ious> The point is that just because tls exists doesn't mean that mitm attacks don't exist any more.
[01:33:11] <DuckDuckPenis> ted-ious: my favorite are BIOS level firmware backdoor updates
[01:33:18] <ted-ious> Not every browser is perfectly configured and sometimes people just type soylentnews.org into the url bar.
[01:34:14] <DuckDuckPenis> ted-ious: ah but if you rig it so the clearnet SN address has a notice in the URL section you can click on to visit the .onion, like some sites have, it's no problem
[01:34:38] <DuckDuckPenis> assuming of course you're using Tor Browser (or Brave?)
[01:35:24] <ted-ious> The onion address can be replaced if the web page is http.
[01:36:25] <DuckDuckPenis> Someone should make a SN swag store
[01:36:37] <DuckDuckPenis> get some good lookin tshirts, mugs, etc
[01:36:39] <ted-ious> It's best practice to include it in lots of places including irc channel topics and github repositories.
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[01:37:47] <DuckDuckPenis> Out of curiosity, how popular is news.ycombinator.com?
[01:37:51] <kolie> clearnet--
[01:37:51] <carmuh> clearnet: -1
[01:38:36] <ted-ious> Judging from how many articles and comments they get each day I think it's very popular.
[01:38:55] <DuckDuckPenis> ted-ious: it's a breath of fresh air for the most part coming from Reddit
[01:38:57] <kolie> its one of the major techy sites.
[01:39:01] <ted-ious> Of course compared to the peak of reddit it's nothing.
[01:41:47] <DuckDuckPenis> I've seen a massive uptick of AI generated garbage, especially long posts with lengthy paragraphs and bullet or numbered lists it's so sad (on Reddit)
[01:42:04] <DuckDuckPenis> sometimes I wonder if dead internet theory is real
[01:42:53] <kolie> i mean theres a lot of noise
[01:42:56] <kolie> and low signal
[01:44:15] <DuckDuckPenis> and in meatspace I feel like I'm surrounded by NPCs
[01:44:50] <DuckDuckPenis> like in The Truman Show, where "they just go round and round." on a loop
[01:45:00] <ted-ious> That's a symptom of a media industrial complex that is disconnected from the consequences of its actions.
[01:47:09] <DuckDuckPenis> Speaking of that movie, the Sirius "light" generator falling from the sky and Truman picking it up is no surprise. Just more occult theatrics. Like one movie star's band named, "the dog star" and the corrupt "visitation" via beast in the brain being shot with a blinding light
[01:47:38] <DuckDuckPenis> SiriusXM <-- more shit
[01:48:07] <kolie> tor++
[01:48:07] <carmuh> tor: -1
[01:48:20] <kolie> carmuh, karma-whodown tor
[01:48:20] <carmuh> downers of tor are: crutchy: -2, Alberto: -1
[01:48:55] <kolie> carmuh, karma-whoup tor
[01:48:55] <carmuh> uppers of tor are: crutchy: 1, kolie: 1
[01:49:20] <DuckDuckPenis> nicotine++
[01:49:20] <carmuh> nicotine: 810
[01:49:43] <DuckDuckPenis> buzzard++
[01:49:43] <carmuh> buzzard: 1
[01:50:00] <DuckDuckPenis> cannabisfortherestofus++
[01:50:00] <carmuh> cannabisfortherestofus: 1
[01:50:13] <DuckDuckPenis> good bot
[01:51:06] <DuckDuckPenis> and the grateful dead with the stealyourface logo with a lightning bolt splitting the brain into two colors - occult possession
[01:51:45] <DuckDuckPenis> pepsi's logo is the same, but with white line(s) in place of the bolt
[01:53:43] <DuckDuckPenis> I try to speak of this online and threads about it get derailed, "slid" down so people won't see it, "disappear" or similar treatment
[01:53:57] <DuckDuckPenis> it's the "tale as old as time"
[01:54:10] <DuckDuckPenis> beauty & the beast
[01:54:32] <DuckDuckPenis> "members only, hypnotizers, move through the room like ambulance drivers" --> in your face
[01:55:40] <DuckDuckPenis> "blinded by me you won't see a thing - just call my name cause I'll hear you scream" --> indoctrination
[01:55:57] <kolie> on the phone bbiam
[01:57:18] * DuckDuckPenis dances to the beat of a different drummer
[01:57:29] <DuckDuckPenis> I will have NO PART in the possession experience
[01:57:48] <DuckDuckPenis> it's weird when "they" are moving energies in your body and they lie to you and say they're making improvements
[01:58:46] <DuckDuckPenis> so much in mainsteam news is coded
[01:58:58] <DuckDuckPenis> just waiting to burst forth
[01:59:07] <DuckDuckPenis> and media/lyrics
[02:00:44] <DuckDuckPenis> It's pathetic that "they" try to come across as powerful
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[02:01:55] <DuckDuckPenis> it is "serpents" that do this, they make strange clicking sounds, similar to the alien in the Predator movie with Arnie
[02:02:06] <DuckDuckPenis> and in a ST:TNG episode
[02:02:39] <DuckDuckPenis> where a few of the Enterprise crew are "stolen" and have experiments done on them
[02:03:00] <DuckDuckPenis> poor Riker had an arm detatched then reattached without his knowledge
[02:04:07] <DuckDuckPenis> also in another episode, there's a "serpent" type creature used in the head of a cane used by time traveling aliens
[02:04:10] <DuckDuckPenis> it's all so boring
[02:05:37] <DuckDuckPenis> As Pee Wee Herman once said... "connect the dots! la la la la!"
[02:06:55] <DuckDuckPenis> https://forum.manjaro.org
[02:06:57] <systemd> ^ 03Testers needed: Manjaro Data Donor
[02:07:00] <DuckDuckPenis> Manjaro is experimenting with opt-out telemetry
[02:07:39] <DuckDuckPenis> I'll keep my eyes out for a SN .onion service, thanks for being open to it! :D bye for now
[02:07:52] <kolie> o/
[02:08:03] <DuckDuckPenis> [o/
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[04:52:29] <kolie> well.
[04:52:34] <kolie> I got tor working.
[05:11:20] <kolie> http://soylentqarvi3ikkzpp7fn4m5pxeeonbv6kr4akgkczqethjfhmalhid.onion
[05:11:20] <systemd> ^ 03ERROR: The requested URL could not be retrieved
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[08:06:27] <kolie> bender++
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[08:17:02] <kolie> bender++
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[08:17:07] <kolie> bender++
[08:17:07] <bender> bender: -1
[08:17:21] <kolie> bender, karma-whydown bender
[08:17:21] <bender> reasons for karma down are: ["For being stupid!", "didn't get me a beer when I asked", "support the unicodes", "There is no escaping", "for not being all regexy"]
[08:17:35] <kolie> bender, karma-whodown bender
[08:17:35] <bender> downers of bender are: andrew: -1, sea`: -1, cmn32480: -2, TheMightyBuzzard: -2, soybull: -1, Bytram: -1, mattie_p: -2, Subsentient: -1, FatPhil: -6, d33tah: -16, kobach: -1, JamesNZ: -1, xlefay: -2, crutchy: -3, KibiByte: -1, stderr: -1, chromas: -5, fyngyrz: -1
[08:18:21] <chromas> !whodown poutine
[08:18:21] <bender> Unknown command
[08:18:40] <chromas> !karma-whodown poutine
[08:18:40] <bender> downers of poutine are: pinchy: -1, FoobarBazbot_: -19, dx3bydt3: -4, CHALLNGEACCPTD: -2, BadCoderFinger: -1, swiss: -12, Deucalion: -1, amblivious: -3, andrew: -12, hax0rz: -1, int: -1, mattie_p: -11, MrBluze_: -1, Ethanol-fueled: -9, Konomi: -3, notkolie: -1, takyon: -3, FunPika: -3, swisskid: -3, xyzzyyxxyx: -3, crutchy: -49, ragequit: -1, exec: -1, JamesNZ: -2, paulej72: -6, mechanicjay: -1, chromass: -1, LancePodstrong: -1, drussell: -1, mrgirlpluggedout:
[08:18:49] <chromas> !more
[08:18:49] <bender> Unknown command
[08:20:27] <kolie> whats more do
[08:22:01] <chromas> Bender would write excess message content to a buffer so things like whodown or other command outputs that are too too long could be read with the more command
[08:22:12] <chromas> almost nobody used it though
[08:22:20] <chromas> in this case, it would continue the list of downers
[08:22:23] <kolie> i guess it could spam more lines?
[08:22:39] <chromas> right but only on command, instead of automatic spam
[08:24:45] <kolie> https://github.com
[08:24:45] <systemd> ^ 03Comparing 4d01fed17d18...a79db5b30a5e
[08:25:14] <kolie> pretty good day.
[08:25:30] <kolie> Got the bot more or less working with karma, from nothing, and got TOR on.
[08:25:36] <chromas> HOSTS
[08:25:43] <chromas> import APK
[08:26:29] <chromas> Yep yousa doin' awesome
[08:27:28] <kolie> I think I got the file name formats down for the old karma db.
[08:27:32] <kolie> There are some weird cases in there.
[08:27:53] <kolie> it appears that dm's get their own database, which is weird, and every channel has its own karma table.
[08:30:05] <chromas> Does karma really need to support pms?
[08:30:42] <Ingar> Ingar | myabe twitter did exactly what musk got it for -> reading the news this morning, I think I deserve extra credits
[08:31:15] <chromas> why would you use twitter for news?
[08:31:53] <Ingar> I read this morning Trump appointed Musk to optimize the govt
[08:32:23] <chromas> makes sense; unlike trump, musk tends to surround himself with smart people
[08:32:36] <Ingar> to the moon
[08:32:38] <chromas> engineers and stuff...people we never see who do all the work
[08:33:33] <Ingar> and accountants
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[08:39:10] <kolie> fuck i started it interactive.
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[08:44:03] <kolie> anyways, night.
[08:44:10] <chromas> g'night
[08:44:15] <chromas> kolie++
[08:44:15] <bender> kolie: 1
[08:44:25] <chromas> aw, lost some value
[08:44:27] <chromas> thanks, inflation
[08:44:31] <kolie> !karma-whoup kolie
[08:44:31] <bender> uppers of kolie are: chromas: 1
[08:44:57] <kolie> chromas++ # solid af
[08:44:57] <bender> chromas: 1
[08:45:07] <chromas> !karma-whyup chromas
[08:45:07] <bender> reasons for karma up are: ["solid af"]
[08:45:48] <kolie> its adding an extra - now
[08:45:50] <kolie> stupid.
[08:46:09] <chromas> are you storing it into the jsonbot-style files?
[08:46:24] <chromas> what if you make a tool to import those into sqlite or something
[08:46:52] <kolie> yea def.
[08:47:00] * chromas piles on the busywork
[08:47:01] <kolie> its in the json format rn, i just copied them.
[08:47:16] <kolie> easy enough to put into a db.
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[08:48:38] <chromas> don't forget to sleep though
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[08:48:46] <kolie> !karma-whoup kolie
[08:48:46] <bender> uppers of kolie are: drussell: 4, janrinok: 1, oristarchus: 1, chromas: 3, Bytram: 3
[08:48:58] <kolie> chromas++ # solid af
[08:48:58] <bender> chromas: 436
[08:49:08] <kolie> !karma-whyup chromas
[08:49:08] <bender> reasons for karma up are: ["cheating for injustice!", "you're brave", "for sticking up for his code", "for good anti-spam wiki idea thingy", "now there's an idea", "shell hackerer", "for being a crash test dummy :p", "LOL!", "magic man", "Because wit.", "for enabling an irc bot to save to a database which is read by a web server which is requested by script which passes data to another script with sends it back to the irc server", "inspirational hacking", "fuc
[08:49:14] <kolie> lol.
[08:49:31] <kolie> Alright, now im going to bed.
[08:50:53] <Ingar> kolie++
[08:50:53] <bender> kolie: 13
[09:33:45] <chromas> "He's the hero we need, but not the one we deserve"
[09:34:46] <janrinok> lol
[09:40:04] <chromas> poutine--
[09:40:04] <bender> poutine: -447
[09:40:55] <janrinok> * for the owner of the "rDT" account *
[09:42:37] <janrinok> I cannot send you a new password for your rDT account if you do not give me a working email address. I do NOT want to know who you are. You can use a throw-away account. You just have to prove that you are the rightful owner. Tell me some details of the email address that is currently in the database and I will accept that.
[09:43:22] <chromas> well, first of all, I can tell you it's got an "@" and also at least one "."
[09:49:16] <janrinok> oh, you nearly had me convinced then, but I suspect that your nick is a bit iffy
[09:50:17] <chromas> /nick TrumpElonDoubleTeamSupreme
[09:50:21] <chromas> now I's legit
[09:51:27] <janrinok> please send your email to wastebin@soylentnews.org. Please staple a $10 bill to the email to cover postage and packing of your new password :)
[09:55:31] <chromas> emails don't have cover sheets; they're not tps reports
[09:57:10] <janrinok> ah, you saw through my little wheeze. Damn
[10:19:10] <fab23> Do some Euro als work, like this -> 💶 ?
[10:28:32] <janrinok> fab23 - I don't understand the question
[10:29:05] <janrinok> als?
[10:29:52] <fab23> s/als/also/
[15:15:11] <Fnord666> kolie++ For all the good that you do
[15:15:11] <bender> kolie: 14
[15:15:51] <Fnord666> janrinok++ Thanks for keeping the stories coming through all of this.
[15:15:51] <bender> janrinok: 119
[15:16:02] <Fnord666> hubie++ Thanks for keeping the stories coming through all of this.
[15:16:02] <bender> hubie: 2
[15:16:22] <Fnord666> You're both troopers
[15:47:13] <kolie> I/
[15:47:38] <kolie> o/
[15:50:20] <janrinok> o/
[16:18:08] <kolie> Everything going well?
[16:24:42] <janrinok> yeah, I was planning on getting a meta out today but time is running away from me again. Perhaps after my dinner. What are your thought about handing the hardware back?
[16:25:05] <kolie> I'm good with it.
[16:25:51] <kolie> Anything there would be historical and for reference. I don't think there's anything relevant for the most part so.
[16:26:15] <kolie> If someone wants to grab everything and archive it then cool if not I'm fine either way
[16:26:17] <janrinok> I'm not sure how to do that - I haven't seen an item on the linode interface that I recall. If there is anything that we have missed then I think that we will have to do without it.
[16:26:55] <kolie> Yeah I think we're good I mean we can boot him and rsync everything off or something. But I think we'd know if something we really needed was there someone would know about it
[16:27:18] <kolie> So I'm fine I don't think it's going to matter
[16:27:29] <janrinok> agreed
[16:27:32] <kolie> The machines have been off for a few days now and nothing's blown out
[16:28:24] <janrinok> I don't fancy trying to download 6 servers over my ADSL connection - which will significantly reduce my ability to do much else at the same time!
[16:29:20] <janrinok> Lets hand them back. If we have missed something we can commiserate over a virtual beer or something.
[16:29:37] <kolie> I like it
[16:29:42] <kolie> Time let go of the past
[16:29:50] <janrinok> yep!
[16:30:12] <janrinok> great job on TOR by the way - thanks for that.
[16:30:39] <kolie> Seemed reasonable. You are welcome.
[16:31:25] <kolie> Rehash really wasn't meant to be portable on different domains, so had to figure out some url rewriting on the fly but yea didn't end up taking much time.
[16:32:23] <kolie> I want to add some more RAM to the docker host.
[16:33:29] <janrinok> i have recovered all 3 of my raspis - 3 memory cards and a damaged amplified at the remote. (I am going off climbing up the ladder to that tower!)
[16:33:48] <janrinok> How much RAM is in there at the moment?
[16:38:00] <kolie> 16
[16:39:12] <janrinok> Yeah, I think all of mine a 32Gb now
[16:39:59] <kolie> Yea I mean the machine has like 512 or 1024gb but the VM has 16 assigned
[16:40:12] <janrinok> lol
[16:40:33] <janrinok> fair enough....
[16:41:16] <kolie> Probably go to 32, but it's fine for RN and I don't want to restart world this week.
[16:41:32] <janrinok> that makes sense
[16:46:59] <janrinok> No, there isn't a simple menu option to hand a server back that I can see.
[16:47:50] <fab23> did SN really buy the H/W which was in use at Linode?
[16:48:19] <janrinok> No, we got a monthly bill for it!
[16:48:27] <kolie> It's normal VPS monthly billing
[16:48:54] <fab23> so it is just rented then
[16:49:57] <fab23> so if you cancel the subscription it should be gone and they may reuse it.
[16:49:59] <kolie> Yeah VPSs are infrastructure as a service you pay for 30 days and they maintain the hardware and give you access to your VM they're responsible for the hardware power etc and you just log in your machine if anything goes to walk you with it you call them and say hey it's being slow fix it
[16:50:13] <janrinok> we have 2 (well 1.5) servers now which have been donated to the site so the running costs are just about to tumble as low as they can get. We will still have to pay for the domains and some administration costs, but otherwise we will be much healthier financially.
[16:50:22] <kolie> The VPS servers are shared they run hundreds of VMs on them
[16:50:40] <kolie> What we have there is a configuration file and the hard drive file.
[16:50:45] <fab23> ah it even is just a few VMs and not even dedicated H/W
[16:50:53] <kolie> Exactly yes
[16:51:29] <fab23> at Hetzner in Germany you can also rent dedicated physical hosts
[16:51:43] <janrinok> The new (current) servers are being maintained by kolie and fliptop. The entire site is running on 1 server.
[16:52:27] <janrinok> Time for me to start cooking and then, hopefully, eating!
[16:52:58] <kolie> Yea I'm donating services, I own a hosting/managed services provider, and I offered via that.
[16:53:30] <fab23> kolie: cool, thx.
[16:53:54] <kolie> Yeah SN runs really lean tbh even before. Most of the cost is administrative filing the organization and hosting.
[16:54:10] <kolie> I want to help out and I think it makes a big difference.
[16:56:22] <janrinok> kolie, it makes the difference between having a site and no site at all. Thank you!
[17:04:47] <kolie> Thats the goal a site - I need my ari fix.
[17:36:30] <kolie> I was a little concerned about the ram situation.
[17:36:51] <kolie> I checked and we are a lot leaner then I thought, we got some decent room and nothing is being swapped at this point.
[17:37:06] <kolie> 4gb available, including kernel caches/buffers.
[18:30:44] <kolie> Got the email about tungsten.
[18:30:49] <kolie> Relocating backups to /home/remote
[18:43:05] <kolie> The script that was archiving backups, wasnt, so it grew more than anticipated, but more storage in the new location anyways.
[19:10:09] <janrinok> kolie - see my email
[19:19:29] <kolie> Yeah he's getting that email cuz I deleted everything
[19:19:36] <kolie> So all good I responded
[19:20:02] <kolie> Thoughts on his next steps?
[19:38:04] <chromas> It's the current year and you still can't resize a VM's ram whiel it's running?
[19:39:25] <kolie> You can but you need to turn on hot plug from the beginning
[19:39:39] <kolie> And that requires the VM to be in NUMA mode
[19:40:28] <kolie> The kind of people that need hot plug RAM, went to things like k8s where that becomes less relevant.
[19:41:01] <kolie> But when you run a docker native, things like host upgrades are a little hairy
[19:41:29] <fab23> I do have VMs on Qemu/KVM where the max memory is set higher what the usually use, so I can adjust during runtime when needed :)
[19:41:36] <fab23> but only within that limits
[19:41:52] <kolie> Yeah a lot of people over provision and then use balloon to limit it
[19:42:01] <kolie> Hot plug is cool but you need to turn it on to start with
[19:42:40] <chromas> ah, so at least it is an option
[19:42:59] <kolie> I haven't worked a lot with docker running under a numa container.
[19:43:05] <kolie> So I wasn't about to turn it on and see what happens
[19:43:19] <fab23> through virt-manager you have Maximum alloction and Current allocation, so the current can be adjusted, but only up to the Maiximum
[19:43:25] <chromas> would turning that on affect all the other VMs on the box as well?
[19:43:42] <kolie> No I'm fairly certain you can turn it on per vm
[19:43:46] <kolie> Numa and hot plug
[19:47:53] <chromas> kolie: do you happen to be a smoker? or heavy drinker of coffee?
[19:48:19] <kolie> Neither. I do like coffee but I have it very infrequently
[19:49:16] <chromas> what is going on
[19:49:33] <chromas> in the past I noticed almost everyone who touched the rehash code was a smoker
[19:49:49] <chromas> I just assumed it was a requirement to use perl
[19:50:42] <kolie> Diet Coke addiction?
[19:51:58] <chromas> They still make that? I thought it was just Coke Zero
[19:52:10] <chromas> but carry on
[19:53:09] <kolie> Coke zero is growse
[19:53:36] <kolie> Still better than Pepsi
[19:54:01] <chromas> Agreed on Coke > Pepsi, but any of the diets leave a lingering....flavor
[19:54:21] <kolie> I agree but I've grown like it
[19:54:23] <chromas> Maybe it's better because they one-upped Pepsi
[19:54:46] <chromas> You've got Pepsi One? We're gonna have one less than you!
[19:55:03] <chromas> Like Harland Williams' 7-minute abs in from dusk 'til dawn
[19:55:03] <kolie> I smoked for a very brief period of time two decades ago
[19:55:52] <kolie> It was right when e cigs were like just starting out
[19:56:26] <kolie> I went to those for a min to get off the real cigs, and then I traded buying a pack for buying a coke
[19:56:39] <chromas> now you smoke coke
[19:56:46] <kolie> It's the rituals that you cant replace
[19:57:22] <kolie> Perl is... Perl.
[19:57:40] <kolie> I can deal with it, it's not bad as far as languages go per say
[19:58:07] <kolie> If you want job security then write in perl and then your the sole maintainer of it haha
[19:59:20] <chromas> until you burn out
[19:59:50] <chromas> we need to create an unholy language made up of perl, cobol and xml
[20:00:36] <chromas> all the variants of cobol, you specify each one with an xml block
[20:01:19] <kolie> PerCobXMLypse - true apocalypse for anyone doing it
[20:01:55] <chromas> The build system willi use JSON just to keep 'em on their toes
[20:02:17] <chromas> but with subtle tweaks from the standard
[20:02:40] <kolie> toml
[20:02:57] <kolie> And store files in mercurial
[20:03:16] <kolie> Going flying l8rs
[20:26:01] <Ingar> I tried my peace of god beer
[20:26:05] <Ingar> damn right peace of god
[20:30:15] <chromas> of? or from?
[22:34:55] <kolie> I'm back baby
[22:51:47] <kolie> Cogent will be conducting a live Generator Transfer Test 11/26/24 at 02:00 - America/Los_Angeles (10:00 UTC) until 11/26/24 at 04:00 - America/Los_Angeles (12:00 UTC). Â
[22:52:05] <kolie> Services are not expected to be affected unless there's an issue with the backup systems.
[23:20:32] <kolie> Going to review back up a little bit and make sure changes this morning are working