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[03:10:49] <Core6508> emails went out about an hour ago for the dailies and I got it so I'm guessing the other ones are going out too
[03:22:33] <chromas> Not I, but I only get them by way of the admin@ forward and not directly to my box
[03:23:30] <Core6508> ok there's no forward probably
[03:24:10] <Core6508> I copied boxes not lists I didn't think about that
[03:24:11] <chromas> I think originally there was one for each group, like admins, an uh...whatever other groups there were
[03:25:42] <chromas> man that first hit on the wiki took at least ten seconds
[03:25:46] <chromas> it's normal now though
[03:26:06] <chromas> 9 seconds this time. hm
[03:26:36] <chromas> Must be on a tape drive :)
[03:29:12] <ted-ious> I just assume everything running on docker is slower and requires twice as much hardware. :)
[03:29:36] <ted-ious> Something like this. https://adamdrake.com
[03:29:36] <systemd> ^ 03Adam Drake
[03:30:16] <Core6508> nah, containers a light abstraction
[03:30:21] <chromas> hadoop isn't docker. it's distributed puting
[03:30:45] <chromas> though the name implies hipster serverless nonsense
[03:30:50] <Core6508> anything can be run like shit though
[03:30:52] <ted-ious> chromas: Right but you have to run hadoop in your dockers so you can be web scale. :)
[03:31:22] <chromas> But you gain tremendous speed by backing your nosql with /dev/null
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[07:46:09] <janrinok> Nope - no new emails from the site for me.
[07:58:33] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[07:58:35] <systemd> ^ 03I Tried Making A Particle System
[08:36:47] <janrinok> I watched the video - and lost half an hour in fascinating graphics. However, how much progress have you made with your system, or are you claiming that the video IS your system?
[08:41:30] <chromas> Not mine. I wish I was that mart
[08:48:48] <janrinok> yep - he is a bright chap
[10:07:41] <Ingar> dang that's the video I neede 15 yrs ago
[10:08:15] <Ingar> maybe I should start rewriting my game to modern standards :D
[10:17:19] <janrinok> 15 years ago we didn't have the hardware to do it!
[10:21:32] <Ingar> janrinok: at the time, I was lookiing for a method to create large cloud-like systems
[10:23:12] <janrinok> I can begin to think how the CPUs and memory limitations of 15 years ago would have coped with the capabilities of a modern GPU. I did a bit of graphics work but realised that my budget at the time for hardware made my objectives unrealistic.
[10:40:29] <chromas> It'd be nice to see some games have more graphics instead of better graphics
[10:40:47] <chromas> Imagine playing GTA with more than 20 cars on the road at once
[10:52:15] <janrinok> :D
[10:58:53] <Ingar> these days, it would be nice to have better games
[11:03:03] <janrinok> Ingar - what would make a better game for you? Better plot, more variation, more realism?
[11:03:33] <Ingar> less boring, better immersion
[11:03:34] <janrinok> I am not a gamer and I haven't played a computer game for over 20 years!
[11:03:36] <Ingar> see: Starfield
[11:04:07] <Ingar> janrinok: I assume you've heard of Bethesda? (The Elder Scrolls: Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim)
[11:04:43] <Ingar> janrinok: new games lack Soul
[11:05:19] <Ingar> compare it with a Shiny New Hollywood Superhero Movie
[11:05:54] <Ingar> all the fancy graphics and the depth of an empty glass
[11:08:07] <chromas> oh neat, I updated the firmware on my pc and now it thinks the cpu's idling at 80°+ now
[11:09:07] <Ingar> did you reload bios defaults ?
[11:09:54] <chromas> Probably not. It sure does a lot of masturbating after the update though
[11:10:40] <chromas> I did manually input the RAM speed because it doesn't give the option for XMP/DOCP anymore
[11:11:45] <Ingar> my last BIOS update forced me to run my expansive DDR4-3600 sticks at DDR4-3200
[11:11:53] <Ingar> *expensive
[11:12:29] <Ingar> sao I switched to buyings telescopes
[11:12:41] <Ingar> ordered some new equipment yesterday
[11:12:55] <Ingar> weather forecast instantly changed to all cloudy for the next couple of days
[11:13:34] <Ingar> the joke is, around 50km from here it is all clear sky
[11:14:36] <chromas> I've noticed a few motherboards always think the CPU is hotter in the biod setup, so the fans run extra fast. Maybe it thinks it's stuck in that mode when it's not
[11:15:38] <chromas> Hurricanes have a nice clear hole in the middle. You've got the opposite—a doughnut hole cloud that follows you around
[11:15:40] <fab23> maybe a ˚C / ˚F issue?
[11:16:08] <chromas> 95°C/203°F
[11:17:32] <chromas> Definitely gotta be something with its reading though because there's no heat coming out
[11:19:13] <fab23> yes, strange
[11:19:26] <fab23> or some ugly bug, would not be the first time
[11:21:28] <chromas> What new toys are you getting?
[11:25:00] <Ingar> http://www.skywatcher.com
[11:25:00] <systemd> ^ 03Sky-Watcher | Sky-Watcher Global Website
[11:25:19] <Ingar> in essence, a smaller veresion of the telescope mount I have
[11:25:22] * Ingar goes portable
[11:26:58] <Ingar> and then I have an excuse to get another small telescope somewhere next year
[14:47:18] <Bytram> janrinok: chromas: kolie: Could someone please help me get my email working again?
[14:58:39] <janrinok> Bytram: sure, I can try. Are you still using Thunderbird?
[14:59:20] <janrinok> Bytram, PING ^
[15:00:26] <Bytram> pong!
[15:00:43] <Ingar> Happy Anniversary, Thunderbird
[15:00:50] <janrinok> are you still using Thunderbird?
[15:01:01] <Ingar> yes
[15:01:31] <Bytram> TBird? Yes :)
[15:01:49] <janrinok> Bytram, 1. do you know your password? 2. When did you last make a backup of your email?
[15:02:16] <janrinok> 3. How many accounts do you have on Thunderbird. Is it just SN or are there others?
[15:03:32] <janrinok> Ingar, is it Thunderbirds birthday?
[15:04:41] <Bytram> ~15 accts; chromas tried to help and we chaged a couple settings; that's all.
[15:05:05] <janrinok> Please answer 1 and 2 as well
[15:06:22] <Bytram> yes, umm no backup
[15:07:17] <janrinok> OK. well first we are going to make a backup. This isn't absolutely necessary BUT, if everything goes wrong, I can restore to the backup and try again....
[15:07:36] <Ingar> janrinok: I got some message when I started it this morning
[15:08:14] <janrinok> Ingar, I didn't - perhaps it doesn't value my friendship
[15:08:33] <Bytram> (was working until things got chaged on me a few days ago)
[15:08:51] <Ingar> janrinok: maybe you need to update to the latest and greatest
[15:09:07] <janrinok> Bytram, OK open caja which is your desktop file manager
[15:10:46] <janrinok> Either press ctrl+H OR use the top menu in caja and select VIEW, SHOW HIDDEN FILES.
[15:12:11] <janrinok> ctrl-h works best
[15:13:16] <janrinok> how are you doing?
[15:13:56] <Bytram> some one at door
[15:14:09] <Bytram> 5 minutes pls
[15:14:26] <janrinok> OK
[15:33:24] <Bytram> ok. showing hidden folders
[15:33:29] <fab23> janrinok: you will get it as soon as you get the update to https://www.thunderbird.net :)
[15:33:29] <systemd> ^ 03Release Notes ( https://www.thunderbird.net )
[15:34:39] <janrinok> OK, there should be a folder marked as .thunderbird
[15:35:04] <Bytram> yes!
[15:35:54] <janrinok> RIGHT click on it, and then select Compress from the drop down menu. Accept the defaults and let it do its stuff
[15:37:03] <Bytram> Umm, why is this needed?
[15:37:24] <janrinok> So that if everything goes wrong we can restore to where we are NOW.
[15:38:10] <janrinok> This is creating a backup of the current Thunderbird directory into a compress package.
[15:41:22] <Bytram> can I make multiple backups, or does new one update/overwrite this backup?
[15:41:58] <janrinok> you can make multiple backups providing that you change the name for each one. I usually include the date in my backup names
[15:42:46] <janrinok> but for now we just need one backup sitting there safe and sound :)
[15:43:22] <Bytram> ok...
[15:43:34] <janrinok> is that finished now?
[15:45:44] <janrinok> ... it takes a while depending on how many emails you keep. I clear out many of mine once they are of no further relevance.
[15:46:58] <janrinok> Bytram, is it still going? Is it showing any progress bar?
[15:47:13] <Bytram> in progress
[15:47:20] <janrinok> lol
[15:48:27] <Bytram> about 40% done
[15:48:51] <janrinok> I guess you either have a slow'ish computer or you keep an awful lot of emails....
[15:49:32] <Bytram> done, I think
[15:49:57] <janrinok> OK, there should be a .thunderbird.tar.gz package now
[15:51:11] <Bytram> looking ...
[15:51:45] <janrinok> it will be a file lower down the page, not next to the directory you have just compressed
[15:52:43] <janrinok> If you cannot see it we will carry on without it
[15:54:39] <Bytram> can't see it :(
[15:54:45] <Bytram> ok
[15:55:01] <janrinok> OK now open thunderbird email
[15:56:24] <janrinok> using the top menu, select Edit - Account Settings.
[15:57:53] <janrinok> how you doing? Thunderbird top menu, Edit - Account Settings
[15:58:46] <janrinok> is there anyone out there....?
[16:01:10] <janrinok> Bytram PING
[16:02:48] <Bytram> ;;; /home/martyb/bin
[16:02:50] <Bytram> ignore ^^^
[16:02:52] <Bytram> no
[16:02:54] <Bytram> at: .thunderbird
[16:02:56] <Bytram> at: /home/martyb/.thunderbird
[16:03:22] <janrinok> NO NO NO
[16:03:38] <janrinok> Just open Thunderbird as you normally would. We have finished with the backups
[16:04:47] <janrinok> You want to fix your emails - you have to open the email program
[16:05:25] <Bytram> open the file: .thunderbied Right
[16:05:29] <janrinok> NO
[16:06:00] <janrinok> How do you normally read your emails? Open the thunderbird programme as you would do any other day?
[16:06:40] <janrinok> FORGET THE BACKUPS
[16:06:57] <janrinok> Open Thunderbird to read your emails
[16:07:50] <janrinok> Bytram PING
[16:08:10] <Bytram> wait, now I am confused
[16:08:16] <Bytram> pong
[16:08:17] <janrinok> FORGET THE BACKUPS
[16:08:29] <janrinok> just start your email program please
[16:09:29] <Bytram> ok
[16:09:49] <Bytram> it is running
[16:10:09] <janrinok> Now select Edit - Account Settings
[16:11:22] <janrinok> How are you doing?
[16:11:37] <Bytram> ok
[16:11:57] <janrinok> have you done that?
[16:13:18] <janrinok> There should be a list on the left hand side with all of your account. Move down to bytram@soylentnews.org, or something similar
[16:14:22] <Bytram> see image
[16:14:31] <janrinok> what image?
[16:15:16] <Bytram> I sent you a txt messafe
[16:15:33] <janrinok> on here,by email
[16:15:37] <janrinok> ???
[16:16:33] <janrinok> do you mean by phone? It is in the other room.
[16:16:58] <janrinok> no messages received yet
[16:16:59] <Bytram> I sent a txt to jireoh
[16:17:32] <Bytram> spelling ! ggak
[16:17:36] <janrinok> slow down cowboy - on which system did you send it?
[16:18:47] <Bytram> janrinok
[16:19:41] <janrinok> that's my name. I have not received anything. Have you selected Edit - Account Settings? If yes, what do you see?
[16:20:56] <Bytram> yes, edit accound settings
[16:21:41] <janrinok> you should see a list of all your accounts on the left hand side. Can you see that? If you can, move down the list until you get to your soylentnews.org account
[16:22:39] <Bytram> am at: /home/martyb/.thunderbirg
[16:23:03] <janrinok> ?????
[16:23:39] <janrinok> I think you are still looking at caja? Are you now looking at your Thunderbird email program?
[16:25:44] <Bytram> martyb@E6410-001:~/.thunderbird$ pwd
[16:25:45] <Bytram> martyb@E6410-001:~/.thunderbird$
[16:25:45] <Bytram> martyb@E6410-001:~/.thunderbird$ ls -l
[16:25:45] <Bytram> total 48
[16:25:45] <Bytram> drwx------ 5 martyb martyb 4096 Oct 16 15:12 'Crash Reports'
[16:25:47] <Bytram> drwx------ 7 martyb martyb 4096 Oct 25 2020 e8gfvrif.default-release
[16:25:49] <Bytram> -rw-rw-r-- 1 martyb martyb 62 Feb 23 2020 installs.ini
[16:25:51] <Bytram> drwxrwxrwx 17 martyb martyb 4096 Nov 5 11:24 jhu9q2k7.default
[16:25:53] <Bytram> drwx------ 2 martyb martyb 4096 Feb 23 2020 'Pending Pings'
[16:25:55] <Bytram> -rw-rw-r-- 1 martyb martyb 251 Oct 25 2020 profiles.ini
[16:25:57] <Bytram> -rw-rw-r-- 1 martyb martyb 259 Oct 25 2020 profiles.ini~
[16:25:59] <Bytram> -rw-rw-r-- 1 martyb martyb 258 Oct 25 2020 profiles.ini.0
[16:26:01] <Bytram> -rw-rw-r-- 1 martyb martyb 259 Oct 25 2020 profiles.ini.1
[16:26:03] <Bytram> -rw-rw-r-- 1 martyb martyb 251 Oct 25 2020 profiles.ini.2
[16:26:05] <Bytram> -rw-rw-r-- 1 martyb martyb 258 Oct 25 2020 profiles.ini.orig
[16:26:07] <Bytram> drwx------ 2 martyb martyb 4096 Feb 23 2020 xaahc7c6.default
[16:26:08] <janrinok> STOP STOP STOP
[16:26:11] <Bytram> martyb@E6410-001:~/.thunderbird$
[16:27:27] <janrinok> You are still looking at your desktop file manager. Close it! We have finished with it now. We have made the backup. Now you need to open your actual email program. The one that you use everyday to read your emails.
[16:39:50] <janrinok> ah, the miracles of the modern telephone system.....
[17:18:57] <kolie> o/
[17:27:20] <kolie> janrinok, did emails go out?
[17:41:10] <janrinok> Not to me
[17:41:21] <kolie> Ok. Where they to an alias?
[17:41:38] <janrinok> I don't think so.
[17:42:00] <kolie> rehash is sending out emails, I see that, and its possible they were addressed to admin@ or something.
[17:42:06] <kolie> If you have an old one, see what the destination was.
[17:42:06] <janrinok> Yeah - they were sent to the admin group
[17:42:25] <kolie> Ok that's not setup. I dumped a list of aliases.
[17:43:23] <kolie> admin exists now.
[17:43:42] <janrinok> There is/was also an editors group
[17:43:53] <kolie> yeop getting there
[17:44:06] <kolie> you are the only member.
[17:45:06] <kolie> jan as a manager you can actually login and manage the alias lists.
[17:45:15] <janrinok> lol - there used to be about a dozen of us. In fact, hubie and mrpg should also be on that list.
[17:45:36] <janrinok> OK, I will have a look at that.
[17:46:11] <kolie> im adding back most of them.
[17:47:24] <janrinok> I think that bytram/martyb is probably there as admin so need not be on the editors' list unless he specifically asks for it. I will check with him later.
[17:52:50] <janrinok> You passed me details of the email configuration login but I cannot recall under which username you did that. I cannot find the info under 'kolie' or 'kolie_'. Perhaps it was under the Core username?
[17:53:59] <janrinok> Found it - it was futher up this page
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[18:09:00] <janrinok> Fnord666, what perfect timing. Which mailing lists do you want to be on? Admin? Editors? something else?
[18:18:35] <kolie> So I setup all the old aliases, there were a couple where it was luike user@soylent => user@soylent, user@gmal
[18:18:51] <kolie> I couldn't duplicate those in the aliases, but if someone has a mailbox, they can have their mailbox do forwarding.
[18:19:57] <kolie> paypal, soypaypal and soybitcoin or something, those went to treasuer and an archive account, ive created the archive account again.
[18:20:00] <kolie> That hasn't existed for awhile.
[18:20:11] <kolie> it got removed when boron got axed.
[18:20:18] <kolie> Its back.
[18:21:25] <janrinok> OK, there are a few names there that have not been active since 2016-2017. I will go through them in turn and see if they are 1. alive, 2. interested in rejoining the 'new' site, and 3. still interested in receiving emails.
[18:22:07] <kolie> Sure thx.
[18:23:17] <janrinok> you might be interested in this, just FYI: https://soylentnews.org
[18:23:18] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | Reddit’s Getting More Popular
[18:27:10] <kolie> https://soylentnews.org
[18:27:10] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Journal System
[18:27:17] <kolie> https://soylentnews.org
[18:27:17] <systemd> ^ 03Journal of kolie (2622)
[18:29:58] <kolie> Your response seemed a bit heavy handed and I think RamiK was basically saying the changes are good and theres more that we can be doing to try and seek new life in the community.
[18:30:04] <kolie> But yea everyones right.
[18:30:53] <kolie> Lemmy is cool.
[18:32:00] <kolie> but yea we are stabalizing and then seeing where we are at.
[18:32:23] <kolie> We've gotten to places we've not been able to for a long time already.
[18:32:38] <kolie> Lemmy is the cart before the horse rn.
[18:32:41] <janrinok> we certainly have!
[18:32:42] <kolie> Stuff like that.
[18:33:04] <kolie> Yea for sure, so add it to the long list of, stuff we can try to do later :)
[18:33:19] <kolie> I know you are in the same head space.
[18:33:55] <kolie> I think RamiK's point was, there is a lot of resistance to stuff, with valid reasons, but to his point, that resistance is offputting.
[18:34:54] <Fnord666> janrinok, admin and editors would be fine please
[18:35:38] <kolie> lmk when you got some time for a session jan, I'd like to join the ranks of accredited sn eds.
[18:36:37] <Fnord666> Whatever passes for a staff email list
[18:36:51] <Fnord666> as well please.
[18:37:05] <kolie> fnord i put you on admin.
[18:37:18] <kolie> and eds.
[18:37:18] <Fnord666> Thank you
[18:37:58] <kolie> I dont have a soylentnews email for hubie, so not sure what I'd add onto editors for hub, janrinok
[18:38:05] <kolie> I guess I can check hubies user
[18:38:56] <kolie> I used the one from hubies SN profile email.
[18:40:56] <janrinok> I have an email for hubie - I will update the list just so I can get the hang of it. I will confirm with hubie which email he would like be to use.
[18:41:51] <janrinok> s/be/me/
[18:42:33] <kolie> Easier than ever to manage email right?
[18:42:42] <kolie> ;)
[18:46:25] <janrinok> I will reply to that if I succeed without breaking it!
[19:19:39] <janrinok> kolie, with regards to editor training, there are a couple of documents that you need to read. 1. https://wiki.staging.soylentnews.org 2. https://wiki.staging.soylentnews.org 3. https://wiki.staging.soylentnews.org and 4. https://wiki.staging.soylentnews.org
[19:19:40] <systemd> ^ 03Submission guidelines - SoylentNews
[19:19:40] <systemd> ^ 03Story Style - SoylentNews
[19:19:41] <systemd> ^ 03Editing Process - SoylentNews
[19:19:42] <systemd> ^ 03Editorial Policy - SoylentNews
[19:20:20] <janrinok> no 3 can be heavy going but you are not expected to remember it all at first go! It will quickly make sense when you start.
[19:20:57] <janrinok> The others just explain the reasoning behind what we do.
[19:28:54] <kolie> cool i'll give it a go.
[19:44:26] <janrinok> At the moment I am getting a 404 Page Not Found on dev. We use dev for training.
[19:45:36] <janrinok> I will need some prior access to dev in order to prepare some of the training material. It doesn't seem to have found its way across but that doesn't surprise me.
[19:45:57] <kolie> Uhm im not sure where dev.soylentnews.org is atm.
[19:46:03] <kolie> I haven't done anything with it.
[19:46:23] <kolie> that domain is pointing to new production
[19:47:14] <kolie> staging has a database that might be dev.
[19:47:28] <janrinok> bloody dev has gone walkabouts just as it was time for it to start work!
[19:47:52] <kolie> let me dump the db on staging and send it over to prod as its own instance.
[19:48:16] <janrinok> I get the same response from staging :)
[19:48:26] <kolie> wym?
[19:48:52] <kolie> this isnt something you'd be able to determine.
[19:49:00] <kolie> dev was hosted at staging
[19:49:02] <kolie> but dns was moved
[19:49:16] <kolie> If you edited your hostfile and set dev.soylentnews.org to point to the staging ip, you could login to dev.
[19:49:26] <kolie> otherwise I have to move dev to staging.
[19:49:37] <kolie> Which is what I'm looking at rn.
[19:52:08] <janrinok> I didn't change anything in my host file.
[19:52:17] <kolie> which is why you don't see dev :)
[19:52:26] <kolie> dont worry about it, im moving it.
[19:53:00] <janrinok> That's what we have DNS for.... :)
[19:53:05] <kolie> database looks small, I have a 2023/06/14 backup to use as well.
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[20:15:49] <janrinok> time for me to finish for today. See you all tomorrow.
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[21:00:39] <kolie> back
[21:52:12] <chromas> front
[23:02:12] <kolie> alright lets see about dev..
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[23:22:02] <heliocenter> 404'ed?
[23:22:39] <kolie> that was my bad.
[23:22:57] <kolie> should be all good now.
[23:23:21] <heliocenter> Was just wondering if you knew!
[23:23:57] <kolie> do you know ari?
[23:24:10] <heliocenter> ari who?
[23:24:16] <kolie> ari starkiss
[23:25:17] <heliocenter> You mean Charlie, the Tuna?
[23:26:07] <kolie> so you are familiar!!
[23:27:59] <kolie> i think you have too much merucry damage, not starkist, ari starkiss
[23:28:14] <kolie> hes like some dutch thinker for antiquity
[23:28:35] <kolie> sn atracts all the old furniture antiques.
[23:29:03] <heliocenter> Curious, I am become.
[23:31:31] <kolie> yoda like, you talk.
[23:33:18] <heliocenter> So who is this "ari"?
[23:33:40] <kolie> its a psuedonym and catchall we use to refer to the person who is you.
[23:34:03] <kolie> a nom-de-poo
[23:34:51] <heliocenter> I am heliocenter.
[23:34:57] <kolie> oh
[23:35:06] <kolie> So you are not ari?
[23:35:26] <kolie> https://soylentnews.org is DNE
[23:35:27] <systemd> ^ 03- SoylentNews User
[23:35:32] <heliocenter> Obviously.
[23:37:24] <kolie> well if ari is reading this, he should get on irc and chat
[23:37:27] <kolie> cause I like chatting with ari.
[23:37:33] <Bytram> "The user you requested does not exist, no matter how much you wish this might be the case."
[23:41:04] <kolie> wb bytram, good to see you.
[23:42:03] <Bytram> PC crashed
[23:42:10] <Bytram> :(
[23:42:56] <Bytram> back in a few minutes
[23:46:26] <heliocenter> /msg NickServ help
[23:47:04] <kolie> Hi, I am nickserv, how can I help you?
[23:51:19] <kolie> 13💙02❤13💙2❤13💙2❤13💙2❤01 greatest country no matter what. love each other.
[23:53:36] <kolie> janrinok, dev.soylentnews.org is back baby!!