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[01:36:19] <Bytram> I seem to be running info problems trying to access email on soylentnews.org
[01:36:35] <chromas> What kind of problem?
[01:37:04] <Bytram> trying to read email
[01:37:24] <chromas> Is your mail client unable to connect to the server?
[01:39:24] <Bytram> I am trying to load email and it just egnores me ...but
[01:40:12] <Bytram> ints spining to access one of ny emails
[01:41:25] <Bytram> ... "connecting to mail.soylentnews.org"
[01:42:07] <chromas> Do you still get new mail? I just sent a test
[01:42:10] <Bytram> pm?
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[01:56:03] <Bytram> kolie: You here?
[02:03:24] <Bytram> kolie: PING!
[02:04:53] <chromas> probably weekending
[02:18:56] <Bytram> oh, ya. :(
[02:21:42] <Bytram> Someone else always walked me through making changes. I can't seem to be able to find those settings. :(
[02:23:31] <Bytram> chromas: could you please walk me through the changes wheb u gut some time?
[02:25:31] <chromas> Yeah let me go install thunderbird so I can know wha tI'm doing
[02:34:51] <chromas> Been awhile since I used Thunderbird. They made it look like a web page
[02:37:22] <Bytram> TYVM!
[02:37:43] <chromas> Did you get it to work?
[02:38:29] <Bytram> I got IMAP ... changed.
[02:38:50] <chromas> Sweet. You'll want to change SMTP as well
[02:39:17] <Bytram> a little confused on next point
[02:39:37] <chromas> It's so weird that adding an account either requires going through the "wizard" or only adding an SMTP account
[02:41:25] <Bytram> Yes, it *IS* wierd!
[02:46:06] <Bytram> chromas: can't find your point #2
[02:47:49] <Bytram> chromas: i.e.: "and TMP from STARTTLS 587 to SSL/TLS 465"
[02:48:03] <chromas> Go to the bottom of the list of accounts and it should have a section called Outgoing Server (SMTP). On that page, there should be a list of all your smtp accounts
[02:49:41] <Bytram> interruption... bi5min
[02:56:31] <Bytram> maybe 10 minutes
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[03:11:09] <Core6508> 993 for imap?
[03:13:16] <Core6508> 587 should be starttls and preferred
[03:14:47] <Core6508> I'm using 993 ssl/tls and 465 SSL/tls
[03:15:09] <chromas> starttls doesn't seem to work
[03:15:52] <Core6508> on what port
[03:17:03] <chromas> 143
[03:17:37] <Core6508> haven't tried, can look tmw
[03:18:12] <Core6508> I don't think 143 is open.
[03:18:43] <chromas> 143 for imap, 587 for smtp
[03:19:57] <Core6508> I'll check both ports tmw.
[03:20:04] <chromas> thansk
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[03:46:33] * Bytram is exhausted; will continue tomorrow. :^)
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[09:08:05] <janrinok> I'm still not receiving any email from the site. Everything else seems to be working but I had to change my settings to those identified by chromas. The previous settings did NOT work for me.
[09:10:13] <janrinok> The last stats that I received were on 1 Nov (i.e. stats for 31 Oct)
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[11:58:27] <epicurus> I also am not getting any stats on moderations.
[12:00:11] <janrinok> You haven't got an account, idiot
[12:01:28] <epicurus> Yeah, somebody banned it. But still not getting an stats on moderations, deletions, or defenestrations.
[12:05:14] <janrinok> and for your information, the Chairman has given his name, the company name, and other details in a comment. You just don't read them.
[12:06:04] <epicurus> I just said, I didn't get the email notifications! _Can_ you read?
[12:07:29] <janrinok> You didn't mention email - Can you read?
[12:10:26] <epicurus> You did. Try to keep up.
[12:10:44] <janrinok> 3 hours ago..... Do try to keep up
[12:11:23] * janrinok methinks he isn't very good at this....
[12:11:49] <epicurus> Pretty wicked short-term memory loss, or are you sunrising?
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[15:33:35] <Core6508> understand you are not receiving emails from the site and you have a different config for client. It's a completely different email stack so make sense there might be some differences when connecting. I think we fix the site emailing I'll check again but that's totally a different issue if there is one there It wouldn't be related.
[15:36:50] <janrinok> Hi kolie. The email works in every respect. However it does not appear that the site is pushing out the daily stats emails. I am not concerned about the email config at my end. It is different but it is working so it is not important.
[15:37:48] <janrinok> Using ports 993 and 465, both with SSL/TLS works fine.
[15:50:06] <Core6508> yeah I got you.
[15:50:36] <Core6508> I know it hasn't sent out in a few days but we just fixed it, not sure what time the stats go out or everything in the rehash code by default
[15:51:22] <Core6508> can you check smtp_server in the vars in the admin panel on rehash?
[15:51:55] <janrinok> I think they go out around 01:00 UTC. It is about the same time that moderation points are renewed etc
[15:52:21] <janrinok> OK, give me a few minutes for that - I wasn't expecting to use it very much
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[15:57:08] <janrinok> 192.163.30.228
[15:57:59] <janrinok> kolie, ^
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[15:59:20] <janrinok> Core6508, ^^
[15:59:51] * janrinok didn't take _that_ long.....
[16:34:15] <janrinok> ...cooking
[16:44:56] <Core6508> that is the correct set
[16:47:39] <kolie> back over here.
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[17:11:31] <janrinok> I had to change computers to access the phpAdmin... I was in the wrong room
[17:12:38] <kolie> no worries. I meant from rehash itself.
[17:12:41] <kolie> usign seclev.
[17:12:55] <kolie> https://soylentnews.org
[17:12:56] <systemd> ^ 03backSlash 17:12:56 = 17:12:56 GMT
[17:20:39] <janrinok> Yep, that is much quicker :)
[17:43:37] <kolie> So going to drop this about StartTLS
[17:43:38] <kolie> https://nostarttls.secvuln.info
[17:43:40] <systemd> ^ 03NO STARTTLS
[17:47:24] <janrinok> kolie, I don't think that anyone is objecting to the change. It is just that the previous site autoconfiguration used a different setting. There may be others who are still trying to contact the email server but using the 'wrong' settings.
[17:47:39] <kolie> Yea, well looked into it.
[17:47:44] <kolie> StartTLS is indeed disabled.
[17:47:57] <kolie> I looked into why and there is growing evidence that StartTLS isn't good.
[17:48:00] <janrinok> Once we have everything behaving itself again I will include the info in a Meta.
[17:48:09] <kolie> Yea, I'm confident the current setup is good.
[17:48:15] <kolie> I can appoint managers to the web panel.
[17:48:20] <kolie> Who can then admin users.
[17:48:51] <janrinok> that makes sense
[17:49:25] <kolie> not sure if we want to enable web-mail or not either.
[17:50:06] <kolie> Also not sure what a policy should be on old email accounts, we got a few.
[17:50:30] <janrinok> You mean for notifications? If so, I would say yes. It enables us to keep an eye on the site via email without having to log in as users.
[17:51:01] <kolie> No I mean - accessing soylentnews.org mail via mail.soylentnews.org
[17:51:07] <kolie> and logging into a web client like roundcube or w/e
[17:51:27] <janrinok> We can clear them out but if the account still exists then I would suggest that we keep the email for the moment.
[17:52:19] <janrinok> I honestly don't know how many people actually used roundcube or w/e. I think I have used it once in the last decade!
[17:52:39] <kolie> It's just web access, whatever the client doesn't matter. I'm using tbird so im good but.
[17:53:36] <kolie> https://mx.soylentnews.org I added you as a manager to soylentnews.org
[17:53:37] <systemd> ^ 03Mailu-Admin | SoylentNews Mail ( https://mx.soylentnews.org )
[17:54:54] <janrinok> I also need to create some new accounts - such as noreply@soylentnews.org etc - and an admin email address that _any_ admin can use to send emails. Does sendmail allow me to send official emails while typing at my own computer - I think having a working DKIM prevents that, which is all correct and proper.
[17:55:35] <kolie> They have to be relayed via an approved server.
[17:55:39] <janrinok> I'm not sure how I can achieve that. Some of the software needs the ability to send emails.
[17:55:56] <kolie> And the sender needs to be authenticated in most cases.
[17:56:00] <kolie> If it runs https://mx.soylentnews.org
[17:56:01] <systemd> ^ 03Mailu-Admin | SoylentNews Mail ( https://mx.soylentnews.org )
[17:56:09] <kolie> That last line was a missend.
[17:56:28] <janrinok> However, it is not a priority for the moment. Thanks for the link.
[17:56:47] <kolie> what am I moving next, i'm calling email good for the moment.
[17:57:05] <janrinok> yeah - what is left to move?
[17:57:10] <kolie> uhm
[17:57:16] <kolie> various auxillary stuff and dns.
[17:57:23] <kolie> loggie, stuff like that.
[17:57:29] <kolie> let me look real quick
[17:57:38] <kolie> znc.
[17:58:07] <kolie> dns, kiwi, irc-hooks, mediawiki, logbot
[17:59:49] <janrinok> I don't think any of that is visible to the users and so they won't realise that it isn't there... That should be your call. DNS and mediawiki look favourite to me. Kiwi is also used by some but not by many. The principle user is ari. But there has to be a way for anyone in the community to contact us easily.
[18:00:27] <janrinok> yeah, makes life easy!
[18:02:48] <kolie> uhm, how relevant is the stuff on the media wiki
[18:03:58] <kolie> Is it used/updated/anything relevant on it today?
[18:34:59] <janrinok> The mediawiki contains lots of useful information - rules, job specifications for (some) posts, useful guides for writing submissions, how to edit and process submissions, layout specifications etc
[18:35:12] <kolie> ok, so useful to move rgr.
[18:35:24] <janrinok> Some of it will need rewriting but much of it is a good basis for future docs.
[19:58:28] <janrinok> time for me to go - laters, guys!
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[21:16:34] <ariwishus> janrinok calls what he does "administration"? Curious.
[21:17:18] <kolie> What do you call what you do?
[21:17:24] <kolie> Useless?
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[21:17:32] <kolie> Without purpose?
[21:17:34] <kolie> aww.
[21:17:38] <kolie> can't take the heat.
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