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[01:17:26] <kolie> o/
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[01:17:59] <kolie> hey fnord666
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[02:09:14] <drussell> The fnord is up; the fnord is down! Fnord is UP, fnord is down... LOL :)
[02:10:17] <drussell> I got chastised by the FidoNet coordinator for our zone back in the 80s for my BBS being "up and down like the tide"
[02:11:11] <drussell> He suspended my node when I was having issues with my hard disks...
[02:11:47] <drussell> I was a poor teenager, unable to afford replacement disks... haha until I finally saved up and bought a Fujitsu 180 Meg IDE disk for $635 CAD
[02:13:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Robot Vacuums Spew Racial Slurs At Owners In Wake Of Hack - https://soylentnews.org - four-reallys-bad
[02:13:09] <drussell> What's that, like $1500 in today's money?! FFS.. Storage was expensive back in those days!
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[04:41:54] <soylentil59> Hitler did some good things, too.
[04:47:32] <soylentil59> When trump is erected, he will fire Achibald Cox. Word.
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[06:33:02] <kolie> i always miss ari
[06:43:57] <chromas> on purpose I suppose
[06:52:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - ‘Quantum Memory’ Proves Exponentially Powerful - https://soylentnews.org - Schrödinger's-RAM
[06:52:57] <kolie> Alright dudes going to bed l8r.
[06:53:29] <chromas> g'noight
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[10:59:36] <epicurus> Frank Luntz says, "Trump is a fascist!" It works. Because it is true.
[11:18:17] <epicurus> chromas, ari on a porpoise? Don't you mean Dionysis?
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[11:32:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - De-Extinction Company Provides a Progress Report on Thylacine Efforts - https://soylentnews.org - I'm-not-a-doctor-I'm-a-paleontologist
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[12:25:50] <janrinok-znc> kolie, all, OK, I have spent time on 'testing'. Apart from one minor observation that I have already discussed with kolie, it is a very responsive site and everything appears to be working. I have processed several 'submissions' through to the front page and had no problems. If anyone else wants to have a poke at it then please do. (testing.soylentnews.org). Let either kolie or myself know if you have any problems or observations. I
[12:25:50] <janrinok-znc> suggest giving it a different theme if you use it just so that you do not confuse the real site and 'testing'. (I made that mistake some years back, and learned that lesson the hard way!)
[12:26:08] <janrinok-znc> kolie_, ^^
[12:27:44] <janrinok> kolie_, kolie ^^
[12:36:24] <janrinok> .op
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[12:36:58] <janrinok> .deop
[12:36:58] -!- mode/#soylent [-o janrinok] by Imogen
[12:37:25] <janrinok-znc> .deop
[12:43:32] <janrinok> lol - it looks like the spambots have already found 'testing' ...
[12:47:52] <janrinok> ... or perhaps is was kolie testing
[12:58:16] <Ingar> or ari
[12:59:55] <janrinok-znc> Nah, it was intelligent...
[13:07:43] <fab23> mention in a public log (and probably with certifcate which goes into transparency logging and the bot start)
[13:09:34] <fab23> had recently setup a webserver with just a site.example.com and the moment it got the certificate through ACME some crawler hit the site.
[13:09:53] <fab23> That is why I usually prefer *.example.com certificates (aka wildcard)
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[14:51:30] <janrinok-znc> Yep, they don't take long do they?
[14:58:40] <fab23> janrinok-znc: you mean wildcard certificates? When done through ACME there is no difference in issue time, the process is a little bit different as the DNS challange needs to be used.
[15:10:51] <janrinok-znc> No, I was referring to spambots!
[15:15:35] <fab23> janrinok-znc: I have not seen them spaming, but probably depends on the stuff they find on a new site. But crawler are kind of instant of the moment you have a certificate for a hostname.
[15:17:13] <fab23> so e.g. setting up just a testing site with e.g. rehash.example.com and try to make it secure with https does trigger crawler and the hostname does also tell then what they may find. So double win for them. :)
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[15:22:25] <janrinok-znc> Oh, it isn't quite that bad for us. Well over 2/3rds of our site are fake accounts. But they never get seen. They sometimes create a journal or perhaps make a submission but neither get through to be viewed by the community.
[16:23:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Lawsuit: City Cameras Make It Impossible to Drive Anywhere Without Being Tracked - https://soylentnews.org - "somebody's-watching-me"
[17:51:12] <janrinok> Fnord666, are you around?
[17:52:51] <janrinok> Fnord666, PING
[17:54:58] <janrinok> FNord, posting blind. if you get some spare time today or over the weekend can you try opening https://testing.soylentnews.org and other users to see how quickly it opens for you. kolie is seeing no change from the current live, but I am getting a significant 6-12 second delay. I am trying to rule out local factors.
[17:57:24] <fab23> janrinok: it is quick for me, no delay
[17:59:41] <janrinok> Yes but you haven't got the same access to other users' accounts
[17:59:55] <fab23> ah I see
[18:02:32] <janrinok-znc> but I've noted your response, which rules out geographical reasons
[18:03:05] <janrinok-znc> Just out of interest - are you IPv6 or still on IPv4?
[18:03:32] <kolie> im checking for any other differences.
[18:04:31] <fab23> janrinok-znc: the testing site does only have IPv4, maybe you are accessing it through CGN of your ISP, which may cause issues as well.
[18:04:40] <kolie> its not isp related.
[18:04:57] <kolie> i got slower loads on his user for sure.
[18:05:12] <fab23> ah perfect, so it is reproducable
[18:06:02] <janrinok> fab23, yes I realise that, I know that I am. But I am connecting to BOTH sites in precisely the same manner but seeing different delays.
[18:06:36] <kolie> its not like its slow across the board, its just specific page/user combos.
[18:07:33] <janrinok> Well, I can't answer for other users, which is why I have asked FNord666 to take a look. I can only let you know what I am seeing.
[18:08:51] <kolie> Who was that directed at jan
[18:10:24] <janrinok-znc> anyone who wants to know :) There might still be a persistent IPv6 problem which might go away when we move from Linode DNS. I'm just speculating....
[18:10:33] <kolie> Its not an IPv6 problem.
[18:10:39] <kolie> It's not even on linode.
[18:10:56] <janrinok-znc> who is resolving our DNS now?
[18:11:15] <kolie> I don't know what DNS server you are using.
[18:11:36] <kolie> But all that is cached and not a factor.
[18:12:06] <janrinok-znc> My connection only goes to Linode and is only IPv6. I can do a tracert6 and see it happening.
[18:12:20] <kolie> You are saying testing is slow.
[18:12:26] <kolie> Testing isn't linode.
[18:12:27] <janrinok-znc> Yes
[18:13:07] <janrinok-znc> I know, but my connection appears to be going via Linode for anything that has soylentnews.org in the URL
[18:13:11] <kolie> Testing also isn't ipv6, and further, if it was a connection issue, it would be on every page, not specific ones only.
[18:13:48] <janrinok-znc> I know that testing isn't IPv6
[18:13:49] <kolie> So that narrows it down quite a bit,
[18:14:28] <kolie> im looking more into the mysql instance.
[18:14:31] <kolie> on live vs testing.
[18:14:40] <Fnord666> janrinok - The first time I opened that page it took 8 seconds. After that it was very quick. (~200ms)
[18:15:01] <kolie> yea, sounds like db hot caching again, thats what I see.
[18:15:12] <kolie> im looking at fluorine.
[18:15:15] <janrinok-znc> Fnord666, do you see the same delay on our live system?
[18:15:30] <Fnord666> I cleared my browser cache and reloaded the page. Still only ~200ms
[18:15:35] <Fnord666> Let me check prod.
[18:16:00] <janrinok-znc> Fnord666, can you check some other users please?
[18:16:43] <Fnord666> 640 ms on first load, 320 for kolie, 543 for me.
[18:16:47] <Fnord666> on prod
[18:17:04] <janrinok-znc> The delay is reproducible for me, but varies between 6 and 12 seconds on testing
[18:17:26] <janrinok-znc> I never see a delay on prod
[18:17:51] <Fnord666> on testing, 160ms for me, 100ms for kolie, 116 for janrinok
[18:18:39] <Fnord666> testing, 3402 to load the comments section of a story
[18:19:32] <Fnord666> prod 442ms to do the same thing
[18:19:46] <janrinok-znc> I've tried different computers here so it is not a single machine. I will reboot my router in a while to see if the problem goes away. My access to other sites on both sides of the Atlantic is normal.
[18:20:13] <Fnord666> Interesting
[18:20:20] <Fnord666> trying hubie's id
[18:20:29] <Fnord666> prod - 640ms
[18:20:38] <kolie> fnord666, if you shift-f5, so basically don't browser cache, but hit the same page on that long story comments load, does the second non-cache load delay the same?
[18:20:58] <Fnord666> testing - also 640ms
[18:24:23] <Fnord666> For the relaod without cache, it's coming it at the following in ms: 2950, 686, 677, 947, 695
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[18:26:04] <pinchy> whats going on in npc central
[18:26:35] <kolie> def pc here.
[18:27:13] <Fnord666> I stand corrected. When I log into my ID (apparently I wasn't logged in as fnord666) in testing, I'm seeing the same long delays loading people's info pages.
[18:27:35] <Fnord666> janrinok - 6.1 seconds
[18:27:41] <Fnord666> Myself 8 secs
[18:28:19] <kolie> theres some tuning parameters i want to put in to increase db sizes.
[18:29:30] <Fnord666> janrinok - 7.07 sec
[18:29:39] <Fnord666> Bytram 2.02 seconds
[18:29:42] <janrinok-znc> Fnord666, thanks, at least it is not just in my configuration (or imagination!)
[18:30:00] <Fnord666> hubie 1.95 sec
[18:30:32] <Fnord666> janrinok 12.46 secs !!!!
[18:32:08] <Fnord666> fnord666 - 6.16 secs
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[18:32:27] <Fnord666> kolie 0.722 sec
[18:33:51] <janrinok> I'm glad that I have switched to mariadb - after the update to mysql8 I had significant problems.
[18:33:59] <isospeculum> Did we just have a front page article deleted? What happened to the Trump Fascist discussion? Too much VLM and neo-Knot Seas?
[18:34:32] <janrinok> Not by anyone here
[18:35:22] <isospeculum> Was there, now it is not. We start with comment deletion, then move to full journal entries, and end with entire front page articles?
[18:36:51] <janrinok> go and cry somewhere else please
[18:38:36] <isospeculum> Is that your best Evita Peron imitation?
[18:41:54] <isospeculum> All the work kolie is doing will be for naught, if we cannot straighten out the editorial misbehavior.
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[19:05:42] <Ingar> someone got his holes stretched today
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[20:54:56] <Bytram> Fnord666: What's up?
[21:06:43] <Bytram> Well... ping me if you need me. I am AFK for a while.
[21:11:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Peter Todd in Hiding After Being “Unmasked” as Bitcoin Creator - https://soylentnews.org - will-the-real-satoshi-please-stand-up
[22:24:09] <kolie> Fnord666, u around
[22:24:44] <kolie> I did some optimization. Wanted to know if there was any difference.