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[00:17:25] <kolie> o/
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[02:07:03] <isospeculum> Janrinok goes Full "Both Sides"!! Never saw that coming.
[02:11:49] <kolie> Does that engrish right?
[02:14:21] <isospeculum> Oligarchs, and SN admins, tend not to support the left.
[02:14:37] <kolie> What do you mean when you say the left?
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[02:15:47] <isospeculum> Anti-fascist, not racist, equality and social justice, human rights, the basics.
[02:17:40] <kolie> Why do they need to be supported by oligarchs and sn admins?
[02:17:46] <kolie> They can't support themselves?
[02:18:15] <kolie> Not quite understanding the angle here.
[02:18:48] <isospeculum> pew-pew!!
[02:19:05] <kolie> Not sure what sway sn admins have over racism, social justice, human rights, or equality. Sounds like a global issue.
[02:19:48] <kolie> Maybe if you could articulate a point instead of making laser noises we could figure out your point.
[02:19:58] <isospeculum> are you asleep, or just new here?
[02:20:28] <kolie> Did that serve to further the conversation, or just keep shaving the same yak of not saying anything.
[02:20:50] <kolie> I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter. You are not doing any favors for me.
[02:21:13] <isospeculum> Any conversation on SN tends to be deleted.
[02:22:03] <kolie> I've had conversations. That qualifies as not any.
[02:22:20] <kolie> Perhaps you are being overly broad in your classification.
[02:22:37] <kolie> What kind of conversations are being deleted, the ones that tend to atleast?
[02:26:26] <isospeculum> Chilling effects.
[02:27:40] <kolie> I don't think we grok the same english or conversation flow.
[02:27:54] <kolie> You say shit but I don't find a decipherable meaning to it.
[02:28:09] <kolie> Certainly you aren't conveying your point.
[02:32:11] <isospeculum> https://edition.cnn.com
[02:33:39] <kolie> You paste a link and say nothing, also not further conveying a point.
[02:34:13] <isospeculum> could've been a bare youtube link!
[02:34:37] <kolie> Most people talk about links, not just throw them in the void.
[02:34:54] <kolie> Like, what they think about them or what they mean in a greater context of a meaningless conversation.
[02:37:01] <isospeculum> Yesterday: [20:06:10] <janrinok> The intelligence information says that the Russians are funding BOTH political sides to create division. Idiot.
[02:37:17] <kolie> The fact that russia plays people with grass roots psyops, on both sides of the US political boundary, isn't new. They want to sow chaos and disruption and do fine work.
[02:37:39] <kolie> I've been saying that since the late 90s. And it has only grown and amplified.
[02:37:44] <kolie> That's just facts.
[02:38:24] <isospeculum> Not on both sides. That is the false equivalency. The right-wing is tool, and it is using SN. that is my point. Can you fix?
[02:39:15] <kolie> Russia plays both sides.
[02:40:25] <kolie> I can't even begin to understand what you mean by that is false equivalency. Russia as a matter of daily intervention in the western world, plays any angle possible to sow division, left, right, both sides, doesn't matter.
[02:40:38] <isospeculum> Which is why all reporting on the Russian support of alt-right Canadaian social media has be rejected, and blocked by editors. Tools.
[02:41:36] <kolie> What's that have to do with technology or science?
[02:42:14] <kolie> Aren't there better forums for this, that cover those topics in greater detail, and in a more immediate and consistent format?
[02:42:47] <isospeculum> https://www.justice.gov
[02:43:45] <kolie> Russia going to russia.
[02:43:55] <kolie> They are fucking great at it too.
[02:44:09] <isospeculum> And janrinok will be a useful idiot. The point.
[02:44:46] <kolie> You haven't connected the fact that russia is russia, to actually get to the place where, janrinok is being fed shit from russians and acting on it.
[02:44:57] <kolie> That's where you are jumping a few conclusions.
[02:45:33] <kolie> If you can get there, I'm all ears.
[02:46:03] <kolie> Dropping random links, saying boo with links and no substance, and saying BUT MAHHH POSTS!!! isn't enough bro.
[02:47:39] <isospeculum> Again, you must be new here.
[02:47:49] <kolie> Yea still not saying much.
[02:48:02] <kolie> Connect the points. I can make my own judgements and views, I want you to explain yours.
[02:48:08] <isospeculum> None so blind, etc, etc.
[02:48:36] <kolie> I don't know what you see and what it means to you.
[02:48:47] <kolie> So I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about still.
[02:49:31] <kolie> By all means, connect the dots, most here wouldn't even give you the time of day.
[02:52:17] <isospeculum> Hurricane journals, for example, comment suppression, allowing blatant disinformation. As bad as the anti-vax stuff during COVID-19.
[02:53:00] <kolie> These are nouns, what are you thoughts on those words and what they mean to you.
[02:53:08] <kolie> I'm not going to connect points in my head you aren't making.
[02:53:26] <kolie> Because this means something to you, but you just don't say what it is.
[02:53:38] <kolie> Hurricane journals? That's a noun.
[02:53:46] <kolie> People write them on SN I suppose? And?
[02:54:18] <isospeculum> Always wondered why you never comment, much. You do not read the site.
[02:54:29] <kolie> I read the site, every day, every article
[02:54:50] <kolie> Commenting ads nothing to my experience, 99% of the time.
[02:55:00] <isospeculum> Even the ones that cite Bruce Willis?
[02:55:23] <kolie> I read every article - doesn't mean I think they are great.
[02:56:09] <kolie> I saw it on aljazeera before I saw it on soylent actually.
[02:56:20] <kolie> Because I read aljazeera, and a lot of other publications too.
[02:56:28] <isospeculum> And the deleted comments, up to 3000+ janrinok recently confessed.
[02:56:45] <kolie> I don't know what comments you are specifically referring to.
[02:57:08] <isospeculum> The comments that are not there.
[02:57:10] <kolie> I've seen comments deleted. The kind that are literal shit posts and not much else other than trying to poke at janrinok specifically.
[02:57:23] <isospeculum> Poor janrinok!
[02:58:09] <kolie> Nothing to do with him being poor and just being literal spam.
[02:58:35] <kolie> I suppose you could clarify the bad ones, and screen shot them before they are deleted sometime.
[02:58:48] <kolie> my email is pretty public.
[03:01:24] <kolie> disinformation, that's a tough one to dissect to, specific examples would lead to better discussion then just the accusation.
[03:02:29] <isospeculum> Any Runaway1956 journal would do.
[03:03:20] <kolie> We don't run his journals on the front page.
[03:04:31] <isospeculum> Funny, right there in the "Recent journals" box.
[03:04:40] <kolie> As articles.
[03:04:43] <kolie> Was my point.
[03:04:58] <kolie> Yes, you can go read someones opninion on the front page, under the journal box.
[03:05:19] <kolie> It's not a free for all but certainly a much loser rigor on a journal.
[03:05:53] <kolie> See I'm saying things I think about things.
[03:05:58] <isospeculum> Platforming? Platforming Russian operations? Get my point, yet?
[03:06:00] <kolie> You just point shit out and expect me to fill in your points.
[03:06:30] <kolie> I understand that people in america repeat talking points they get from disinformation.
[03:06:48] <kolie> they repeated it from 4chan.
[03:06:56] <kolie> People just are fucking dumb isospeculum
[03:07:06] <kolie> They repeat shit, and get all worked up, and fight against each other.
[03:07:12] <kolie> Because they don't think nor do they care to.
[03:07:45] <isospeculum> And why should SN, founded on principles of free speech, contribute to the stupidity?
[03:07:49] <kolie> Because it's easy to just say thats the way it is and foam at the mouth, then to do anything otherwise.
[03:08:20] <kolie> It's interesting that you say free speech but then have a problem with linked journals with people exercising their right to use free speech poorly.
[03:08:42] <kolie> Democracy doesn't mean the group rules well, free speech doesn't mean we don't say shit that valuable.
[03:08:51] <kolie> But you know that.
[03:08:51] <isospeculum> Reasoned critique gets deleted for sounding like something, maybe it is the "reason" part.
[03:09:07] <kolie> Pictures then.
[03:09:14] <kolie> Let's discuss that which you say is deleted.
[03:09:38] <kolie> Get some reasoned critique deleted.
[03:09:41] <isospeculum> Perhaps just get janrinok to stop with the censorship.
[03:09:53] <kolie> I don't know what you are talking about.
[03:09:59] <kolie> It seems you are eluding to something specific
[03:10:12] <kolie> But haven't shown that specific. I want to know what you are referring to so let me know sometime.
[03:10:27] <isospeculum> No, you are eluding with your evasion, accusing me a alluding.
[03:11:02] <kolie> Reasoned critique gets deleted for sounding like something, maybe it is the "reason" part.
[03:11:13] <kolie> Ok - what reasoned critique was that?
[03:11:27] <kolie> You say something, but I can't determine what, if it is, reasoned critique.
[03:11:40] <kolie> So how should I respond to that?
[03:11:49] <kolie> Take your word for it? Assume I know what you are talking about?
[03:11:58] <kolie> Make up my own interpretation?
[03:12:24] <isospeculum> We'll never know, because janrinok has substituted his judgment for ours. That is the essence of censorship.
[03:12:28] <kolie> I'm not going to guess what your thinking, although I have my intuition. It wouldn't be intellectually honest to fill in the gaps of your idea with my own assumptions.
[03:12:37] <kolie> I don't know if he has or hasnt.
[03:13:04] <kolie> I don't understand what you are referring to specifically. I suppose I never will because you seem to do that a lot so no one really understands it.
[03:13:36] <kolie> You say things but you can't validate your own speech or actions, how do you expect to invalidate another?
[03:13:44] <isospeculum> Feel free to do you. I have lost hope that SN can be saved. Thanks for working on the refit, but if the current de facto editor-in-chief remains, the site is still dead.
[03:14:05] <kolie> You behave more like a russian bot farm and disruption than I've ever known, but you aren't as smooth and behind the seens as they.
[03:14:37] <kolie> Ok keep saying jack shit as usual. I thought you might be able to actually convey something useful.
[03:14:54] <kolie> If you've lost hope - the door - you know where it is. Yet you persist.
[03:14:57] <isospeculum> Hmm, but of course, my dear kolie! Wait, isn't that just Lokie, misspelled?
[03:15:17] <kolie> You are the one misdirecting.
[03:15:39] <kolie> What's getting deleted, pics man, lets know what you are talking about.
[03:15:40] <isospeculum> For some who have been here since Buck Feta, it is the betrayal of what SN was meant to be.
[03:15:42] <kolie> Have a real discussion on that.
[03:16:13] <kolie> It may be a betrayal, what IT is, you haven't really gotten into.
[03:16:29] <kolie> You've made some vague overtures but didn't really get me to understand what IT is.
[03:16:46] <kolie> And as someone who has given up and lost hope - you still are here.
[03:17:34] <kolie> For ever having hope - you have a funny way of giving details that would atleast make people understand your point.
[03:17:49] <isospeculum> This is turning into a khallow debate, which means it isn't one.
[03:17:51] <kolie> The more you evade and drop vaguery, the more I'm convinced it's just a plain troll like they say.
[03:18:26] <isospeculum> And who do you presume I am, Dr Livingstone?
[03:18:38] <kolie> Janrinoks aunt.
[03:18:43] <kolie> the real twist.
[03:19:03] <kolie> I don't presume anything.
[03:19:10] <kolie> But I know we've spoken prior.
[03:19:25] <isospeculum> No, it was Jan's sister that was doing the golf/Hurricane tour.
[03:19:57] <kolie> You have a myriad of idiolects my friend.
[03:21:05] <isospeculum> 8)
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[03:21:27] <kolie> Almost had a point.
[03:21:35] <kolie> we'll get him there.
[03:25:46] <kolie> its tmb obviously.
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[05:56:54] <ted-ious> https://envs.sh
[05:59:21] <chromas> Machines can't wear prizes
[06:04:25] <ted-ious> That video should be a post but I don't think it would be accepted.
[06:04:45] <ted-ious> I think lots of readers would get it.
[09:35:51] <Ingar> I heard Elon Musk is influencing the elections
[09:36:04] <Ingar> is that legal, I mean he has business with china
[09:36:45] <Ingar> kolie: it's aristarchus
[09:37:17] <chromas> China and Russia double-team supreme
[09:37:40] <janrinok> Ingar - I think he already knows!
[09:37:53] <Ingar> also, an isospeculum, is that a speculum that spreads both holes equally at the same time?
[09:38:19] <janrinok> lol - now that is something I hadn't thought about, unsurprisingly
[09:39:56] <Ingar> yw ;)
[09:56:56] <chromas> 🎵 He's precocious, and he knows just what it takes to make a troll blush, all the boys think he's a spy, he's got...hello.jpg eyes 🎵
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[10:20:32] <soylentil23> =submit https://thelogic.co
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[11:37:43] <Ingar> I should have asked money for my prediction
[11:39:16] <Ingar> we're having local electiosn here next weekend, and all the intrigue makes the US prez elections look like a bunch of toddlers playing in the sandbox
[11:39:26] <Ingar> *this weekend even
[11:39:55] <Ingar> and also the first elections that aren't mandatory... might get interesting
[12:37:45] <chromas> Intrigue, eh. There'll be a lot of key changes in the theme music
[12:38:20] <chromas> The instruments themselves will be raising an eyebrow, one blue note at a time
[12:47:35] <Ingar> nah, we prop it up with some traditional flemish folk music
[12:49:09] <Ingar> https://www.youtube.com
[12:49:12] <systemd> ^ 03Jan Smed – Instrumentale Vlaamse Volksmuziek (1979 Flemish Trad Folk from Roodebeek)
[12:49:59] <Ingar> I recommend to eat sausage with apple sauce while listening
[12:50:10] <Ingar> for the real authentic feeling
[12:53:31] <ted-ious> https://nitter.privacydev.net
[12:53:33] <systemd> ^ 03Sawyer Merritt (@SawyerMerritt)
[12:53:49] <ted-ious> Wait that's not what I wanted.
[12:54:01] <ted-ious> https://nitter.privacydev.net
[12:54:02] <systemd> ^ 03Internet Archive (@internetarchive)
[12:54:29] <ted-ious> It looks like archive.org is really under attack.
[12:55:06] <Ingar> everything is
[12:55:25] <Ingar> our govt websites related to elections have been under attack for a week now
[12:55:31] <Ingar> media plainly states it's them russians
[12:55:59] <Ingar> why is russia still connected to the internet ?
[12:57:48] <ted-ious> I mean somebody is ddos'ing archive.org and even got them to take down all their tweets.
[12:58:04] <ted-ious> I doubt it's russia doing that.
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[13:31:08] <Ingar> maybe a general question for all you US citizens
[13:31:26] <Ingar> do you take your prez elections serious, or do you actually see it for the circus it is ?
[13:35:54] <ted-ious> Most people seem to think the president is a real leader so they assume the elections are also real.
[13:36:51] <ted-ious> I forget how many americans voted in 2020 but it was many millions.
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[13:43:09] <soylentil22> i am here with the ip address again; how times is that now ?
[13:43:24] <soylentil22> dang myh name changes again
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[13:46:57] <janrinok> So are you still soylent1865 with the account? Are you still interested in being a sysadmin - because Fake1956 said that you were no longer interested.
[13:47:26] <soylent1865> i have to remaster irc, i havent used it since 2006
[13:47:34] <soylent1865> ok i think i am registered now
[13:49:16] <soylent1865> msg NickServ register X9mvLYti=8J2\2f5!=4k/A`X im_cne@hotmail.com
[13:49:28] <soylent1865> ok now i registered with email address
[13:50:08] <janrinok> You have just shown that to the world. Are you sure you want to be a sysadmin???
[13:50:51] <soylent1865> ok changing paassword
[13:52:08] <janrinok> You are joking aren't you? You are using a compromised IP address, you have shown the whole world your password, and you want to have access to everybody's personal data?
[13:52:19] <soylent1865> janrinok thats why we have dev , pre prod, and prod ; and UAT
[13:52:36] <soylent1865> changed password
[13:53:44] <soylent1865> dont forget units tests
[13:53:52] <janrinok> I suggest that you go away and start all over again.
[13:55:57] <janrinok> If you have access to the software you would also have access to the personal data. Not looking good for you is it?
[14:05:10] <ted-ious> https://www.youtube.com
[14:05:12] <systemd> ^ 03The History of McDonald's Fries (Documentary)
[14:05:45] <ted-ious> Now I want french fries even tho I know how bad they are. :(
[14:11:36] <Ingar> forget french fries
[14:11:40] <Ingar> get belgian fries
[14:11:53] <Ingar> (coincidently, I'm having some tonight, with the traditional steak)
[14:12:27] <Ingar> those sticks mcd dares to call fries, are an abomination
[14:19:11] <lld> mmmh, Belgian fried chocolates
[14:21:22] <Ingar> in belgium you go to a "fries booth"
[14:21:33] <Ingar> and then you get fries with fried snacks
[14:21:40] <Ingar> take your pick https://i.pinimg.com
[14:22:15] <lld> I'll take all the steak and salmon, nothing else :)
[14:23:22] <Ingar> fries+steak is more restaurant level (or at home like I do ;-) )
[14:32:15] <ted-ious> Which restaurants still fry with beef tallow?
[14:45:01] <Ingar> restaurants I don't know, but I fry my fries in it
[14:45:12] <lld> use the tallow to make explosives
[14:45:38] <Ingar> mix it with nitro ?
[14:45:54] <lld> nitric acids, probably
[14:46:06] <lld> and a mix of sulfuric acids
[14:49:39] <ted-ious> https://nitter.privacydev.net
[14:49:39] <systemd> ^ 03Error
[14:50:09] <ted-ious> The good news is they didn't delete their tweets it was just a temporary problem with nitter or twitter.
[14:50:39] <ted-ious> The bad news is the whole site is down for upgrades and there's no schedule for when it will be back.
[14:52:26] <fab23> ted-ious: I guess you are aware of the data breach they had?
[14:52:51] <ted-ious> Right I submitted an article about that.
[14:53:01] <lld> use I doubt most archive.org users had accounts on it
[14:53:06] <fab23> 👍
[14:53:09] <lld> s/use//
[14:53:17] <fab23> still 31M accounts
[14:53:32] <lld> probably lots of one-offs
[14:53:45] <lld> its odd how easy to find pirate game ISOs on archive.org
[14:53:52] <ted-ious> Mostly from their open library lending during covid I bet.
[14:53:53] <fab23> I do know people who upload stuff there
[14:54:55] <lld> I wish I had more $$$ for HDDs
[14:55:05] <lld> a couple of 20TB HDDs would be nice
[14:57:56] <ted-ious> https://www.youtube.com
[14:57:59] <systemd> ^ 03Big Solar Storm, Tech Disruption, Electric Surge, Aurora
[14:58:20] <Ingar> ah it finally arrived
[14:58:44] <lld> just in time for the October surprise
[14:58:51] <ted-ious> I think we got lucky.
[15:00:11] <ted-ious> The first flare that hit us was mainly a slow miss.
[15:00:36] <ted-ious> If it had really hit us the second one that was much faster would have hit at the same time.
[15:01:20] <ted-ious> We could have lost the electrical grids on the daytime half of the globe at least.
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[17:49:29] <therealaristarchus> 1865 just self-doxxed? Or did janrinok encourage him?
[18:11:27] <therealaristarchus> Obviously not qualified to be a censor.
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[18:36:41] <Ingar> more likely, it was one of your virtual minions
[18:38:01] <janrinok> He's a bit early, but it is Friday...
[20:15:30] <Ingar> here's a friday moon http://ingar.intranifty.net (Sry janrinok if my host still messes up on your end)
[20:16:07] <Ingar> there is no aristarchus in this moon image
[20:16:55] <Ingar> he lives on the early bird side
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[21:49:07] <kolie> penfifteen
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[23:34:53] <realaristarchus> We are all minions, now. Right, janrinok?
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