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[23:56:10] <Bytram> nicht var? It's been 40+ years since I learned German!
[23:54:24] <Bytram> <grin>
[23:54:01] <Bytram> nicht war?
[23:53:37] <Bytram> needs a noun: das ist nicht gut
[23:51:06] <drussell> Noooo..... ist nicht gut!
[23:50:32] <drussell> Maybe they're German? "Das nicht gut?!"
[23:48:21] <Bytram> Does Not Go?
[23:47:15] <drussell> If it's Adobe, just don't try to think about it too hard, or else you will likely just break your brain trying to make sense of their special brand of nonsense.
[23:42:27] <chromas> Maybe the G is for Jraffic
[23:34:31] <Ingar> Digital NeGative ?
[23:27:32] <Bytram> ???
[23:27:16] <Bytram> So how does that map to the letters: DNG
[23:24:23] <Ingar> Bytram: Adobe Digital Negative, an image format mostly used as RAW in photography situations
[23:20:32] <Bytram> OK. I give up. What is: DNG?
[23:10:05] <Ingar> chromas: I think the DNG also has a thumbnail
[22:38:28] <chromas> seems to consider the photo to be two frames
[22:37:02] <chromas> 4056x3040
[22:36:39] <chromas> I'm playing with it now, but putting in the pixel resolution stored in the dng makes it seem to not line up right
[22:36:10] <chromas> Ingar: PixelViewer might be useful for getting your camera output working
[19:58:00] <systemd-oomd> ^ 03Moon Phases 2024 – Lunar Calendar ( https://www.timeanddate.com )
[19:57:59] <Ingar> I use https://www.timeanddate.com
[19:57:37] <Ingar> darn it has been ages since I had that installed
[19:44:44] <drussell> :)
[19:44:39] <drussell> "The pom utility displays the current phase of the moon. Useful for selecting software completion target dates and predicting managerial behavior."
[19:44:37] <drussell> Exactly... pom(6) isn't intended to be astronomically precise, it is:
[19:43:12] <Ingar> the exact moment of the full moon is an orbital thing but it doesn't actually mean it happens when you can see it
[19:42:26] <Ingar> a-day-and-a-half
[19:41:26] <drussell> It still says waxing right now, so obviously not technically rounding to full for at least another 12h or whatever
[19:40:43] <drussell> or so
[19:40:36] <drussell> Of course, then it will say "full" for 24, 36h
[19:40:25] <drussell> Yeah, the resolution on pom(6) isn't super high, but it doesn't actually say "full" yet...
[19:34:49] <Ingar> (at 11:53 UTC)
[19:34:12] <Ingar> drussell: almost, full moon is the 24th
[19:27:24] <drussell> At least on that machine it does, anyway... :)
[19:27:02] <drussell> ahh... pom still works
[19:26:52] <drussell> The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (100% of Full)
[19:26:39] <drussell> It's full today, isn't it?
[19:26:13] <Ingar> oh well who cares
[19:24:57] <Ingar> should be clear all night, but because of the moon it's somewhat useless to image faint objects
[19:24:13] <Ingar> drussell: same here, we got clouds and rain all day until it started clearing out in the late afternoon
[19:23:17] <drussell> I forgot to put out the rain gauge last night... It's down to just a sprinkle now but it did actually rain pretty good all night...
[19:19:02] <Ingar> mmmm I could try.. the moonbazooka
[19:17:51] <Ingar> I haven't seen it this wet in decades
[19:17:23] <Ingar> then the water seeps out
[19:17:15] <Ingar> It looks like grass until you step on it
[19:17:09] <Ingar> I"m not even joking
[19:16:54] <fab23> :)
[19:16:39] <Ingar> janrinok: it does! but it's soo swampy because of the rain I can't! I love it!
[19:16:07] <janrinok> Ingar, your grass needs cutting!
[19:15:33] <Ingar> fab23: "belgium" should be enough information
[19:15:01] <janrinok> on it! Enhance. Enhance!!
[19:15:01] <chromas> good, even more disturbance to your photography >:)
[19:14:39] <Ingar> if you do plane shennanigans here, I wouldn't be surprised they call in the jet fighters
[19:14:33] <fab23> Ingar: now janrinok will find your location in minutes :)
[19:14:00] <fab23> oha
[19:13:46] <Ingar> chromas: especially that airport closesest to NATO HQ
[19:13:25] <Ingar> max 50m height and the other side of the local road is a no fly zone
[19:13:21] <chromas> yeah I wouldn't put airplanes near an airport either :)
[19:13:06] <fab23> Ingar: hm, maybe with more silent quadrocopters then :)
[19:12:42] <Ingar> fab23: I really wouldn't do that here with the airport nearby
[19:12:23] <janrinok> photograph the hole where it should be then!
[19:12:14] * fab23 sends over a very large fleet of small airplanes with very long banners containing propaganda into Ingar's sky :)
[19:11:32] <Ingar> janrinok: it's pretty low in the sky this time of year
[19:11:16] <Ingar> well an almost full moon.
[19:11:11] <janrinok> get out there and photograph it all!
[19:10:47] <Ingar> there's a clear sky and a full moon
[19:10:42] <Ingar> I don't have time for propaganda
[18:32:34] <chromas> My propaganda is better than your propaganda. Nya nya!
[18:31:02] <Ingar> left wing is a total and utter disaster
[18:30:20] <Ingar> they also discovered that, if you want more natives, the natives need to make more babies
[18:29:24] <Ingar> it's so sad to read their propaganda
[18:29:03] <Ingar> far right is doing well in the polls
[18:28:37] <Ingar> requerdanos: election season here
[18:03:14] <fab23> s/lucky/happy/
[18:02:50] <fab23> we really can be lucky to only have honest people in here
[17:55:55] <requerdanos> There are definite similarities.
[17:54:16] <Ingar> almost like politicians
[17:52:37] <drussell> That's the most troubling part about the way they are being sold to the masses; the fact that they sound so sure of their abslute nonsense.
[17:51:20] <fab23> it is mostly just hallucination what they do
[17:39:15] <drussell> They're becoming more convincing in their fakery.
[17:38:28] <drussell> Indeed.
[17:38:19] <requerdanos> I mean smarter in the observed sense, not the actual. No intelligence is present regardless of how freely we bandy the term "AI"
[17:37:54] <drussell> "intelligence," that is...
[17:37:32] <drussell> They're just getting better at faking intelligence.
[17:37:02] <drussell> They're not actually smart in any way. They're just complex algorythms that are glorified predictive text regurgitators. The chatbot has no idea what it is saying, it just spits out the most likely sequence of words based on the database of things it has been "trained" on.
[17:33:16] <requerdanos> Bots are getting smarter and smarter in a way, but still GPT* bots get things simply wrong, regardless of how confident and self-assured they may sound from their "writing styles"
[17:31:48] <drussell> Indeed.
[17:27:46] <chromas> definitely not a smart bot
[11:23:23] <Ingar> especially the kind of spam where you're not sure if it is a smart bot or a stupid human
[11:22:16] <Ingar> just becasue something is above my comprehension, doesn't mean it is NOT spam
[11:15:13] <janrinok> as predictable as Sundays
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[11:13:44] <aristarchus> n
[11:11:44] <aristarchus> Attacking me with a dictionary?  Just like you did to the Poor Vocat Minoris?   Shame, janrinok!  Shame!  And, obviously, I am not banned.
[11:10:07] <janrinok> Dictionary 'banned': to forbid (= refuse to allow) something, especially officially: The film was banned (= the government prevented it from being shown) in several countries. [ + from + -ing verb ] She was banned from driving for two years.
[11:08:51] <aristarchus> Just because it is above your comprehension, that does not make it Spam, jan!   Now go explain to Runaway why his anti-vax racism is so very wrong.
[11:07:36] <janrinok> lol
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[11:01:12] <janrinok> ari was late for his spamming today, perhaps he is unwell....? He will probably be along shortly
[10:26:21] <Ingar> :D
[10:03:31] <chromas> kickass it worked! pacman runs again
[10:02:33] <chromas> Which reminds me, shouldn't our logo be a bean?
[10:01:33] <chromas> This is SoylentHaxx with your host chromas
[09:59:06] <chromas> bind mount / into a container directory and boot it with nspawn, then do pacman -Su -r /mountpoint
[09:58:32] <chromas> so I'm fixing it the smart way
[09:54:28] <chromas> time to invent a new distro where everything is statically compiled
[09:53:54] <chromas> now even though pacman doesn't depend on libicuuc it won't start without it
[09:53:05] <chromas> in the case of one, it didn't like that a file owned by the new package was owned by the old one
[09:52:43] <chromas> I keep running into that lately, where a package is replaced with a different one and stuff complains about it
[09:52:18] <chromas> yeah nstalling icu (75.1-1) breaks dependency 'libicui18n.so=74-64'
[09:49:44] <Ingar> looks liek a packaging/dependency fuckup somewhere
[09:49:27] <Ingar> International Components for Unicode library
[09:49:25] <Ingar> pacman -Ss icu
[09:24:16] <chromas> it complained that electron conflicted with that lib, so I updated without dep checking. now nothing starts. whatever it is, things seem to think they need it
[09:23:36] <systemd-oomd> Megasync: error while loading shared libraries: libicuuc.so.74 - https://forum.manjaro.org
[09:23:34] <chromas> =s libicuuc.so.74
[09:22:17] <chromas> htop uses 36% cpu now
[09:18:12] <chromas> when I go to Browse for color profile it opens up multiple file pickers, once I pick a file the others leave but the window isn't usable anymore
[09:16:54] <chromas> krita started locking up then a bunch of stuff crashed for no reason
[09:13:38] <chromas> looks like other people have issues with color cast and some have made color profiles available for download. I'll try a couple
[09:09:32] <Ingar> I'll play around with krita tonight (didn't try that one before)
[09:09:11] <Ingar> mmm
[09:08:52] <chromas> krita lets me pick the debayer but it always fills the picture with red dots
[09:08:14] <Ingar> (I've been in the dcraw source code and it is an absolute nightmare)
[09:08:02] <Ingar> if I can figure out what to put in I could hack the camera app to write out the necessary values
[09:04:11] <chromas> raw-identify doesn't have any matrix or filter pattern info
[09:03:54] <chromas> you're right it's missing some stuff
[09:00:09] <Ingar> if I could "force demosaic" I'd be good
[08:59:45] <Ingar> chromas: aye, and that's the issue
[08:59:36] <Ingar> (difficult to see color)
[08:59:35] <chromas> oh I just noticed it doesn't even give demosaicing options
[08:59:26] <Ingar> the moon is somewhat the worst case to work with
[08:59:06] <Ingar> chromas: remind me to make some non-astro examples
[08:56:25] <Ingar> (those are the actual white balance values, but I forgot which value applies to what channel)
[08:55:40] <Ingar> 2.9 1.7
[08:55:35] <Ingar> oh right
[08:54:21] <chromas> oh I just gotta turn of the auto white balance
[08:53:40] <chromas> full of magenta for some reason
[08:53:31] <Ingar> my guess is, the wrong metadata is written to the DNG
[08:51:25] <Ingar> but b/w
[08:51:13] <Ingar> zoomed out it looks good anyway
[08:50:47] <chromas> hm, looks good in krita preview, but actually opening it makes it full of red dots
[08:50:35] <Ingar> if you open that DNG and zoom in to pixel level, you'll notice a blocky pattern
[08:50:07] <Ingar> TIFF is just safer
[08:49:36] <chromas> photopaint supports 48-bit modes since the 90s :)
[08:49:34] <Ingar> http://ingar.intranifty.net http://ingar.intranifty.net
[08:49:28] <Ingar> but the raw data is in bayer form
[08:49:16] <Ingar> chromas: what I want to do is convert the raw DNG to TIFF
[08:49:13] <chromas> but at least it's not jpeg
[08:49:09] <chromas> that's dumb
[08:48:51] <Ingar> or just silently converts it
[08:48:45] <Ingar> every software chokes on PNG with depth > 8bit
[08:48:30] <Ingar> png is useless
[08:45:56] <chromas> at the very least they should have an option for pngs or something
[08:45:29] <chromas> but their dngs are weirdly formatted or something?
[08:45:20] <Ingar> let me dig u pa file
[08:44:56] <Ingar> (which is better than their previous iteration where the RAW data was saved as metadata in the JPEG)
[08:44:37] <Ingar> it normally saves to JPEG, but if you add --raw it also saves a DNG
[08:44:22] <Ingar> chromas: rpicam-still
[08:11:41] <chromas> I'll play with a file if you have one sitting around, though I'm no expert on file wrangling
[08:09:40] <chromas> I wonder if they're doing something silly with the format
[08:09:26] <chromas> since it's all open source stuff (I assume) there's no reason to not be using dng or something
[08:09:08] <chromas> Ingar: what generates the raws?
[08:03:54] <chromas> and of course, I'm doing absolutely nothing to expedite the process :D
[08:03:33] <chromas> I'm sad and disappointed that it's still sitting there waiting to be merged in weeks later, though the format's been "released" for a couple years now without support so I guess I can wait awhile longer
[08:03:10] <janrinok> thx - understood.
[08:02:42] <chromas> janrinok: the link I posted was a pull request to add support for a couple Panasonic camera's unnecessarily changed raw formats in RawTherapee's fork of dcraw
[07:59:25] <chromas> you can change the debayer algorithm but, assuming it can read your format, most are unnoticeably different
[07:55:54] <janrinok> Mornin' Ingar. i haven't a clue what you are talking about, but I probably missed half the conversation and I haven't back read to catch up yet.
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[07:46:18] <Ingar> oth, if you feel lucky and want to experiment, I'll gladly provide you with some files :D
[07:45:48] <Ingar> not a single of them RAW processing softwares sems to have a simple checkbox "force debayer"
[07:45:23] <Ingar> neither rawtherapee nor darktable seems to eat my raspberry pi raws
[07:44:54] <Ingar> Greetings citizens
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[04:27:20] <chromas> :'(
[04:27:18] <systemd-oomd> ^ 03Add Panasonic v8 decoder and support for DC-S5M2 and DC-S5M2X by sgotti
[04:27:17] <chromas> https://github.com
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