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[01:06:52] <chromas> https://gizmodo.com
[01:06:53] <systemd> ^ 03Adobe Is Testing a New AI Tool That Can Create Music From Text Prompts
[01:07:19] <chromas> So now instead of humans making shitty robot music, robots can make shitty human music
[01:08:00] <chromas> Also there have been other tools for a while to do that but theirs might be better. Stable diffusion can make music
[06:25:16] <chromas> https://www.digitalinformationworld.com
[06:25:17] <systemd> ^ 03New Computer Worm Threatens AI Models like OpenAI's ChatGPT and Google's Gemini
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[16:34:18] <fab23> https://foxtrot.com
[16:36:00] <janrinok> is there an ari model that just works against him?
[16:37:58] <fab23> janrinok: yep, the J-Vision Pro works also in this case
[16:41:54] <janrinok> I'll buy 6
[16:42:51] <fab23> janrinok: they are only available from Jason directly, you have to contact him :)
[16:43:20] <janrinok> :)
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[22:25:28] <Bytram> halibut: Never used python before. (on Ubuntu)
[22:25:37] <Bytram> $ python -c 'import datetime; print(str(datetime.datetime.strptime("2024-02-01","%Y-%m-%d")-datetime.datetime.now()))'
[22:25:38] <Bytram> Command 'python' not found, did you mean:
[22:25:38] <Bytram> command 'python3' from deb python3
[22:25:38] <Bytram> command 'python' from deb python-is-python3
[22:26:28] <Bytram> :(
[22:26:32] <chromas> a whole entire mainstream distro like ubuntu doesn't even have python installed by default?
[22:27:31] <ted-ious> It definitely does.
[22:28:16] <ted-ious> It might not be the latest version but some kind of python 3 is installed by default I am sure.
[22:28:26] <Bytram> $ which -a python
[22:28:30] <Bytram> $
[22:28:51] <Bytram> Not on my system
[22:29:00] <chromas> it might have aids
[22:29:05] <chromas> python3 ?
[22:30:06] <Bytram> I have *NO* experience with python at all.
[22:30:17] <chromas> it should still be installed
[22:30:40] <Bytram> At best, I can copy/paste
[22:31:09] <chromas> Maybe everything Ubuntu would use a python script for has been subsumed into systemd
[22:31:22] <Bytram> so, how can I find it?
[22:31:28] <ted-ious> LOL
[22:32:03] <chromas> You can install it I guess, if you do want to play around with it
[22:32:08] <chromas> sudo apt-get install python
[22:32:23] <chromas> I'm not sure why it's not already there though. Maybe it's under python3
[22:32:31] <ted-ious> Somebody should tell lennart that systemd needs to be ported to rust so it can become perfect.
[22:33:09] <ted-ious> That should keep him busy for a few years so he can't make any new problems for the linux community.
[22:33:22] <chromas> If we can get him to start another project, then systemd development can settle down, then it will be replaced by pipewire
[22:34:45] <Bytram> okay... but if it *should* be already installed, I don't want to install another one and waste space .
[22:36:23] <Bytram> Hmmm... bia few minutes
[22:38:32] <chromas> Yeah, no idea what's going on there. Maybe they named it python3 for compatibility. Maybe they're using something else for system scripts. who knows
[22:39:34] <ted-ious> I think they have been named python2 and python3 ever since they decided they had to support both during the 2 to 3 transition.
[22:40:18] <chromas> shouldn't one be symlinked from "python"?
[22:41:02] <ted-ious> I don't know how far back python has been a symlink but it's longer than I have been paying attention.
[22:41:38] <chromas> and python2's been dead even longer than that ;) but people keep trying to use it
[22:41:58] <chromas> have they forked it yet?
[22:42:03] <chromas> =g librepython
[22:42:04] <systemd> https://simpsonstreetfreepress.org - La Prensa Libre: Python Challenge - Amie Kabera
[22:42:12] <chromas> :(
[22:42:50] <ted-ious> systemd-pythond-4?
[22:43:27] <ted-ious> I guess if the linux kernel is going to get a lua interpreter it might as well get python too.
[22:44:14] <chromas> haven't heard of that
[22:44:54] <Bytram> Hmm, apparently there is something there
[22:45:02] <Bytram> ./usr/share/bug/python3-uno/script
[22:45:34] <Bytram> typo
[22:45:42] <Bytram> ./usr/share/python3
[22:45:56] <chromas> ah then you can probably run that command with python3 then
[22:46:12] <chromas> python3 -c 'import datetime; print(str(datetime.datetime.strptime("2024-02-01","%Y-%m-%d")-datetime.datetime.now()))'
[22:46:27] <Bytram> ")
[22:46:44] <Bytram> give me a minute
[22:46:57] <chromas> command works for me, but my python is already a symlink to python3 ;)
[22:47:34] <chromas> and my /bin/ is a symlink to /usr/bin/
[22:49:10] <Bytram> $ python3 -c 'import datetime; print(str(datetime.datetime.strptime("2024-02-01","%Y-%m-%d")-datetime.datetime.now()))'
[22:49:10] <Bytram> -32 days, 6:11:28.981593
[22:49:10] <Bytram> martyb@E6410-001:/$
[22:49:42] <chromas> woohoo
[22:50:11] <Bytram> ^)
[22:50:41] <chromas> I bet that "command 'python' from deb python-is-python3" is an entire package specifically to symlink python3 to python and nothing else
[22:53:11] <Bytram> ...
[22:53:20] <Bytram> <Bytram> start_years = strftime("%Y", t1);
[22:53:20] <Bytram> <Bytram> start_months = strftime("%m", t1);
[22:53:20] <Bytram> <Bytram> start_days = strftime("%d", t1);
[22:53:20] <Bytram> <Bytram> start_hours = strftime("%H", t1);
[22:53:20] <Bytram> <Bytram> start_minutes = strftime("%M", t1);
[22:53:21] <Bytram> <Bytram> start_seconds = strftime("%S", t1);
[22:53:23] <Bytram> <Bytram> print start_years, start_months, start_days, start_hours, start_minutes, start_seconds;
[22:53:25] <Bytram> ..
[22:54:19] <Fnord666> If you're doing print that way then that's python2
[22:54:36] <Fnord666> python3 would be
[22:54:46] <Fnord666> print(start_years, start_months, start_days, start_hours, start_minutes, start_seconds);
[22:55:33] <chromas> I think he's trying to port his ancient batch file to anything modern on a linux box
[22:55:37] <requerdanos> well, php2 won't run in php3 either
[22:56:52] <requerdanos> in other news, I broke a production website today by upgrading debian from debian 11 to debian 12, which upgraded php 7.4 to php 8.2, which broke wordpress plugins, which broke the website. hence why I am thinking in php terms.
[22:58:43] <Fnord666> Nothing like testing in production!
[22:59:50] <Bytram> Wait, really? This is all new to me. Seems there's much similar stuff! Unfortunately, I'm fried. Gotta play with it a bunch.
[23:00:09] <Bytram> Fnord666: LOL!!!
[23:00:40] <requerdanos> it was a tense hour until I resolved the problem. keeps you on your toes.
[23:00:44] <Bytram> AFK
[23:07:24] <chromas> ah, I get the reference now: https://github.com
[23:07:25] <systemd> ^ 03GitHub - luainkernel/lunatik: Lunatik is a framework for scripting the Linux kernel with Lua.
[23:07:50] <chromas> Lunatik is a framework for scripting the Linux kernel with Lua. It is composed by the Lua interpreter modified to run in the kernel; a device driver (written in Lua =)) and a command line tool to load and run scripts and manage runtime environments from the user space; a C API to load and run scripts and manage runtime environments from the kernel; and Lua APIs for binding kernel facilities to Lua scripts.
[23:08:25] <chromas> Time to turn the kernel into Factorio
[23:12:41] <Bytram> chromas: Not quite. In the past few days I remember that exact statement being quoted
[23:13:27] <Bytram> Damned if I can remember where
[23:13:34] <Bytram> :(
[23:14:10] <chromas> if you mean the python command, it was here, from halibut
[23:14:38] <chromas> if his shell isn't fish I will be disappointed
[23:15:23] <ted-ious> What could possibly go wrong?
[23:15:24] <Bytram> No, the last statement from Fnord666
[23:16:26] <ted-ious> We might as well put javascript into the kernel so browsers can run infected code as efficiently as possible.
[23:17:10] <chromas> electronux