#soylent | Logs for 2024-02-24
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[05:30:04] <aristarchus> drussell has my number.
[05:37:26] <aristarchus> Janrinok's plan to take over SN has major issues. Biggest is not allowing the ACs to participate, and outing all the registered members who post AC. But most that he does not understand that if you are going to have a business, non-profit of whatever, you cannot have some cloaked internet handle as an officer of said business. This is not a
[05:37:27] <aristarchus> American vs. his Brit, or French resident legal system. It is a really basic legal requirement. How, then, can he take this as being the main issue, and drive away Dalek and k0lie, and anyone else who were willing to help? I am puzzled. Early onset? Middle onset? Or, Dark Janrinok Onset?
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[06:31:14] <soylentil2001> I agree with everything aristarchus says. He is the moral compass of SN.
[06:36:38] <soylentil2001> Is there going to be a vote on the new board that has been proposed? Or, is this like the Soviet Union approach to democracy?
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[08:49:59] <janrinok> The new board is a temporary board. One of their first jobs is to hold the elections for ALL posts on the board and for the Community Representatives.
[08:50:27] <janrinok> You will not have a vote
[08:51:44] <janrinok> Members of the temporary board may stand for election if they so wish. They will still have to be elected by the community to continue in that role.
[08:57:44] <drussell> Please stop feeding the troll!
[09:03:43] <Julian> I'm a millennial. After I learned that people who learned to type with typewriters, and early computers, use a double space after every full stop I can't unsee it
[09:05:40] <janrinok> I will answer all reasonable questions - this is the page that people come to for information regarding the site.
[09:06:18] <janrinok> Julian, yep, that was standard.
[09:06:40] <drussell> Ari will never stop if you keep engaging with him. He does NOT deserve a response.
[09:07:03] <janrinok> No, but the rest of the community and others who might end up here do.
[09:07:24] <drussell> Right. Respond to THEM, not to Ari.
[09:07:43] <drussell> First rule of dealing with trolls. IGNORE THEM.
[09:08:56] <Julian> Agreed
[09:11:13] <Julian> AI systems now screen most resumes and they're discriminating against people who use the double space. Ageism.
[09:11:57] <janrinok> At my age I should worry?
[09:12:11] <janrinok> I retired long, long ago
[09:13:11] <Julian> I just think it's interesting. The people who made the screening software might not even know why that's a problem
[09:17:51] <janrinok> It is interesting. But why is anyone looking at spaces in a CV? The information that they need is in the words, not the spaces. This to me indicates that they are not even looking at the relevant information properly.
[09:19:18] <Julian> Yes, they're not looking at the information at a first pass. An AI system is doing that. So nothing that fails that filter gets through to a human
[09:19:56] <janrinok> That is their loss. I hope that one day they will realise what an ass they have been.
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[09:20:24] <soylentil2001> So, unelected board? A kind of a Cominterm?
[09:22:02] <janrinok> Do they require the same adherence to page sizes? Can one use the international standard of A4, or do they insist on the US 11" x 8"? What about the font and font size?
[09:22:28] <soylentil2001> Has anyone done a criminal background check on fliptop? Due diligence, and all that.
[09:26:11] <janrinok> These appear to be rules created by someone who has no idea how to find the correct person for a specific job or role, but only one who will follow any bizarre expectation of what something should look like.
[09:27:06] <janrinok> I know what the layout of a CV should look like, but that doesn't mean that I want to recruit somebody who cannot think for themselves, IMO.
[09:27:47] <soylentil2001> Has he agreed to a NDA, to not disclose the true identities of any other solylentils? Some have a lot to hide, members of the 3%, the Prong Boys, OafKeeblers, and AtomWaffen.
[09:29:06] <Julian> Those people deserve to move into the "find out" phase of their "fuck around" life choices.
[09:29:39] <drussell> Well, if a company is going to hire based on things like single vs. double space, the asthetics of your resume, etc. then I guess they'll essentially get what they deserve. If they fill their ranks with people based on factors like this instead of who is actually the best candidate,most qualified for the job, they will be setting themselves up for failure and you probably don't want to work there anyway. :)
[09:31:45] <janrinok> precisely my point.
[09:32:46] <soylentil2001> So, no NDA, no background check? And we are turning over the treasury to some internet stranger?
[09:34:47] <janrinok> I realise that for many who are just entering the job market or who have relatively little experience the need to get past the first filter. If I was recruiting for a post that was suitable for such a role I would expect HR to select the appropriate person, not someone who has passed through a software filter. The H in HR means something.
[09:35:41] <janrinok> Perhaps HR need their own HR section to make sure they are not idiots.
[09:37:03] <janrinok> But, I am happy to say, I will not need to worry about such things again. However, I agree with both of you. Using software inappropriately isn't a clever idea.
[09:39:17] <soylentil2001> Google says Paul Trader is dead. Are we sure we have the real McCoy?
[09:40:04] <soylentil2001> Did you receive any bona fides, janrinok?
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[10:09:28] <chromas> Double spacing is still used on phone keyboards
[10:10:04] <chromas> Instead of two spaces, pressing it twice will put a period after the last word
[10:10:40] <chromas> then usually you can pick from other symbols to replace the period without backspacing
[10:30:30] <janrinok> I hadn't thought of that but now you mention it is obvious
[11:46:28] <Ingar> we actually had several typewriters at home before we had a computer. never used double space. waste of paper
[11:47:14] <Ingar> I'd also support the creating of an IRC-based kick-ari-on-sight squad
[11:47:38] <Ingar> not that it will help but at least it's something
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