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[07:44:41] <chromas> https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net
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[08:00:32] <aristarchus> Contagion of Alzheimer's over the digitial pathways of SoylentNews. I Gnew it!
[08:10:36] <aristarchus> Deleting of comments is now standard practice, along with the shadow-banning? Asking for a friend, you know.
[08:10:58] <janrinok> chromas, I hope that is not a picture of how your server is connected to its power source.....
[08:13:32] <chromas> nah, my rig has more exposed wires
[08:17:51] <janrinok> lol
[08:20:18] <aristarchus> So there will be no transfer of ownership to the new cabal? Jan and chromas, you have screwed the soylent.
[08:20:43] <chromas> ok, thanks
[08:22:13] <aristarchus> You're welcome.
[08:22:15] <janrinok> I guess I still have him on ignore....
[08:22:36] <aristarchus> I am in your head, janrinok. Listen to your doctor.
[08:27:21] <chromas> ari's theme https://www.youtube.com
[08:27:38] <chromas> ^ Basement Jaxx - Where's Your Head At (Official Video)
[08:31:16] <aristarchus> I really do think chromas posts from an institution. And and not a voluntary one.
[08:36:49] <aristarchus> Who are the new board members, and what mental institution are they locked up in?
[08:45:30] <aristarchus> We anticipate legal actions. Fraud, extortion, arseholery.
[08:45:51] <aristarchus> Speaking of alienating the pasty whites, staff here at SoylentNews have finally taken to deleting comments they disagree with. If only they had a consistent policy from the beginning, instead of pretending to be freeze peaches people. This comment has be deleted nearly a dozen times, so someone is posting it everywhere, so the truth will
[08:45:52] <aristarchus> out. Or, just to stick it to the staff.
[08:45:52] <aristarchus> <quote>We don't hate you, my dear soft and fluffy khallow. Instead, we pity you. And for a decade, not just two minutes. [note: khallow has just spam posted the two minute hate scene from <i>1984</i>, and this is in response.] How could anyone with a PhD, albeit in Math, be so fucking stupid, for this fucking long? There must be serious
[08:45:53] <aristarchus> psychological issues, a sort of an inverse of another Doctor of Mathematics, Ted Kaczynski, who also dwelt near the Continental Divide, as does the khallow? Let us know what we can do for your, K., since interventions so far appear to be ineffectual. Professional help? Don't end up like Runaway, old and insane, but with no one who cares enough to
[08:45:53] <aristarchus> call the authorities. </quote>
[08:45:54] <aristarchus> Front page: Old Timer's disease is contagious!
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[10:07:55] <janrinok> A very appropriate track
[10:16:50] <Ingar> arignoredus
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[11:36:51] <soylentil4> FYI: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender, <audioguy@soylentnews.org> (expanded from <admin@soylentnews.org>): user
[11:36:51] <soylentil4> unknown
[14:29:27] <janrinok> It is only one name that is causing the bounce - the email still gets to all of the other admins. Thanks for the notification.
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[16:01:45] <drussell> HEADS UP: Certificate is expired.
[16:02:46] <drussell> Not Valid After:
[16:02:46] <drussell> Sat, 03 Feb 2024 15:38:06 GMT
[16:19:02] <chromas> we should just go self-signed
[16:19:37] <chromas> there's no drawbacks, and we don't want the type of people who don't know how to tell their browser to fuck off with its warning nonsense
[16:21:05] <drussell> No, I think we just need people with proper access to administer the servers. This is silly.
[16:25:30] <chromas> well sure, but I was keeping it realistic :D
[16:26:59] <drussell> LOL... :)
[16:27:50] <drussell> I offered to buy out Michael and take ownership of the site back in 2022 during the upgrade debacle. He rebuffed me.
[16:28:01] <drussell> It was pretty clear that he intended to kill the site.
[16:28:25] <drussell> After the third nuking of my journal entry where I was drafting out my offer, I threw up my hands and said fuck it.
[16:28:43] <drussell> Didn't even log in or check the site for the next year. I was actually surprised it was still here.
[16:29:49] <chromas> We're just keeping it around as a trap for ari's nonsense, so it doesn't escape to the rest of the net
[16:30:29] <drussell> LOL, nice move. He does spend an inordinate amount of time shaking his fist at clouds here. :)
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[16:33:17] <pTamok> This is no doubt old news, but we have an expired certificate
[16:33:23] <drussell> We know.
[16:33:37] <drussell> Nobody with the correct keys to drive the server is paying attention.
[16:33:53] <pTamok> OK, so I don't need to post details.
[16:34:00] <pTamok> Ah. Not ideal.
[16:34:18] <drussell> Indeed.
[16:35:47] <pTamok> Unfortunately, there's nothing I can do. I hope someone who can sort it out does so soon. Thanks for the quick and efficient update.
[16:36:26] <drussell> Thanks for trying to give the heads up, mate...
[16:37:39] <pTamok> Well, I was late to the party, and didn't bring wine (resources). I won't steal the pizza. Good luck.
[17:01:46] <Runaway1956> FWIW, Firefox refuses to add exceptions for sites lacking valid certs.
[17:02:14] <Runaway1956> However, Librewolf permits exceptions to be made.
[17:02:41] <Runaway1956> Haven't messed with Chrome and derivatives yet.
[17:03:49] <Runaway1956> Ungoogled Chrome won't play.
[17:04:20] <drussell> It's not Firefox making that decision, SoylentNews has HSTS enabled so Firefox refuses to add an exception to connect insecurely.
[17:04:40] <drussell> If SN wasn't HTTP Strict Transport Security, you could add the exception.
[17:05:59] <Runaway1956> Why does Librewolf load the site then, after telling it to make an exception?
[17:06:16] <Runaway1956> Is that a failure here, or there?
[17:06:59] <drussell> Because they ignore this particular implication of HSTS?
[17:07:24] <drussell> If you go to logs.sylnt.us Firefox will let you through, for example, as HSTS is not in force.
[17:07:26] <Runaway1956> I'll put that on my list of things to figure out.
[17:16:52] <Runaway1956> completed journal entry while the site is down, lol https://soylentnews.org
[17:34:05] <fab23> HSTS is an optional header line the webserver can sends, e.g.: Strict-Transport-Security: max-age=16070400
[17:35:56] <fab23> in general it tells the browser to connect to that site only with https, but should not make a difference for the exception of an exprided certificate
[17:52:53] <Bytram> NCommander said "Setup has changed." *and* "I pinged Jolie and he said staff has access and can do it. "limited net ability atm"
[17:53:40] <Bytram> I think he meant "Kolie" ??
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[17:59:32] <Bytram> chromas: can you please help, or at least contact whomever is suppose to be able to help??
[18:04:08] <Bytram> AFK
[18:20:40] <Bytram> kolie: Hi! Can you please help? Our certs have expired!!!
[18:26:41] <janrinok> audioguy is away from home. mechanicjay is probably not available.
[18:32:53] <janrinok> looks like we are being left to flounder.
[18:35:54] <Bytram> That sounds... fishy (!)
[18:37:23] <janrinok> lol
[18:39:23] <Bytram> I said that just for the halibut!
[18:41:24] <mrpg> Now I want tuna and pasta.
[18:42:06] <mrpg> I'll go buy ice cream and candies. Be back in 7 minutes.
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[18:43:36] <soylentil68> Been locked out on Chrome all morning, apparently expired security certificates. Can still get in with Opera choosing the "unsafe" option, but...
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[18:46:42] <soylentil79> The certificate for soylentnews.org expired on 2/3/2024.
[18:46:42] <soylentil79> Error code: SEC_ERROR_EXPIRED_CERTIFICATE
[18:46:57] <drussell> Yeah, we know...
[18:47:08] <soylentil79> cool thx bye
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[18:47:32] <drussell> Nobody with the correct keys to drive the server is paying attention.
[18:57:21] <mrpg> We need status.soylentnews.org
[18:57:48] <janrinok> mrpg - I can do that: 'It is down'.
[18:58:31] <janrinok> We've known that the certs were expiring for about a month, but it seems nobody actually was prepared to do anything about it.
[18:59:25] <drussell> No, technically we've known that the certificates were expiring for 90 days + a few hours... :(
[18:59:54] <janrinok> true :)
[19:00:03] <drussell> I had a reminder set in my phone, since the last time back in November it went right down to the wire.
[19:01:01] <drussell> Not that that helps anything, since there is the reminder bot on #staff, etc. but none of us have access to actually DO anything about it...
[19:10:28] <janrinok> Everyone make sure that you are aware of the backup IRC - Libera.chat ##soylentnews. If we lose IRC too then we all gather there.
[19:21:20] <halibut> <+Bytram> I said that just for the halibut! <--- You called?
[19:21:56] <janrinok> halibut, if you hadn't worked it out yet - it was a terrible fish pun...
[19:22:30] <halibut> I know. I actually picked this nick based on a very similar pun.
[19:23:22] <mrpg> Fish pun in French: what is the fish that has no birth certificate? le poisson pané.
[19:29:49] <soylentil68> the backup IRC - Libera.chat ##soylentnews. Is there a link to that on the mainpage? Not that the mainpage is 100% reliable, but I was able to load it today, and sometimes you'll have a cached copy.
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[19:31:42] <janrinok> There isn't as far as I know.
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[20:10:11] <Bytram> I'm famished; need to eat lunch (3 hours late) :/
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[20:30:44] <halibut> I'm lunch. Need to convince people not to eat.
[21:11:40] <aristarchus> _THIS_ is how it ends? Expired certs and fish puns? Oddly apropos.
[21:16:08] <Bytram> You are not happy until you complain.
[21:16:33] <aristarchus> Who's complaining? Great day for humanity!
[21:17:31] <Bytram> I'm glad you are happy
[21:17:58] <Fnord666> If I had to pick a dwarf I'd say he's probably grumpy.
[21:18:53] <aristarchus> This endless speculation about me is not healthy, people! Less projection leads to a happier life.
[21:19:06] <Fnord666> Probably true.
[21:20:21] <Fnord666> Rather than speculate, I'll just ask. How are you doing today?
[21:20:59] <aristarchus> Fine. The Earth still orbits around the sun (not the other way around).
[21:24:06] <Fnord666> An astronomer ahead of your time!
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[21:41:14] <DarkHelmet> assuming everyone knows SSL is fubar/expired?
[21:41:24] <ted-ious> Yes thanks. :)
[21:41:56] <ted-ious> I have no idea why it isn't renewed automatically with the certbot script.
[21:42:07] <DarkHelmet> fucking ssl.
[21:42:12] <DarkHelmet> :)
[21:42:36] <chromas> say the line!
[21:43:12] <chromas> "I knew it! I'm surrounded by assholes!"
[21:43:44] <DarkHelmet> keep firing assholes!
[21:44:04] <DarkHelmet> no admins here that can kick certbot?
[21:45:41] <fab23> as far as I know its a manual process to issue and distribute the certificates for all services
[21:46:13] <DarkHelmet> ouch
[21:48:48] <DarkHelmet> I really don't know, but how many admins are there?
[21:52:21] <DarkHelmet> I know I offered some VM/disk/etc for the site before.
[21:52:31] <DarkHelmet> offer still stands if ya need anything
[21:53:38] <DarkHelmet> hell, even backup, got like 200T free on my ZFS server
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[22:20:14] <pTamok> I understand that the main issue is not lack of admins, but that the people currently available who are capable of doing the work don't have sufficient access to the Soylentnews infrastructure, and the people who control access (and can also do the work) are not available and/or contactable. So an impasse. I don't know if it can, or will be,
[22:20:15] <pTamok> resolved.
[22:21:17] <Gaaark> Nice... Thanks for the info
[22:21:29] <drussell> Well, it will be eventually , but only once one of the few people with access finally notice.
[22:21:30] <pTamok> The last comment was aimed at DarkHelmet, who left before I hit <Return>
[22:22:25] <Gaaark> I want my baby back, baby back, baby back SN! ;)
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[22:23:57] <pTamok> I fear it might be: https://en.wikipedia.org(Baby_Goodbye)
[22:23:57] <mrpg> I hope to buy a new pillow tomorrow.
[22:27:46] <Gaaark> I gotta start lurking here more often again.... life is so chaotic at times. Sigh. Accessed site through chromium, though
[22:29:39] <pTamok> Firefox 122.0 on Linux lets me in, after going through a 'scary' security dialogue.
[22:29:51] <mrpg> My FF didn't.
[22:31:31] <pTamok> OK. When I hit the URL, I get "Warning: Potential Security Risk Ahead". I hit the "Advanced" button...
[22:32:25] <pTamok> On the next page, scroll down, and hit the "Accept the Risk and Continue" button.
[22:32:32] <mrpg> Mine says HSTS https strict transport something, doesn't let me bypass it. Chrome and FF.
[22:32:52] <Gaaark> Try Chromium?
[22:33:29] <pTamok> Hmm. It's possible I turned off HSTS somehow. My feeble memory could have sent the relevant into into /dev/null
[22:33:35] <mrpg> I'd rther wait and not install something else.
[22:36:02] <mrpg> FF is acting up, I'll be back.
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[22:49:07] <pTamok> Dillo (on Linux) lets me in with a warning about an expired certificate. Although I understand people might not want to install more software. And the site rendering isn't perfect, but probably 'good enough' for those that need a fix.
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[22:50:47] <ted-ious> It's using let's encrypt so there's no reason the certificate can't be renewed automatically.
[22:52:59] <Bytram> pTamok: That sounds like a good summary. Yes, the certs are busted. I worked with NCommander, he confirmed. Result: Go ask Kolie. I sent K0lie a text; please update certs. AIUI, he's away for the w/e to see his children.
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[22:56:54] <Laci> Hello... just wondering... chrome and safari claims that the soylentnews.org certificate has expired yesterday. Is it true, or I missed something?
[23:00:53] <Bytram> Something like six years ago, I set up our certs a couple time with "The Mighty Buzzard". Unfortunately, I forgot most of it (thanks to strokes) *AND* all the servers have been coalesced so I don't know where things are any more. So, we wait.
[23:00:55] <pTamok> It's true. The people currently available who are capable of fixing it don't have sufficient access to the Soylentnews infrastructure, and the people who control access (and can also do the work) are not available and/or contactable.
[23:03:49] <Bytram> Laci: There ya go; we are just waiting for someone to show up with the "keys to the kingdom".
[23:04:44] <requerdanos> I keep hearing about people not having access. Out of curiosity, what's an example of a qualified person to change the certs who doesn't have access?
[23:04:46] <Bytram> So, we wait. Patiently.
[23:11:01] <pTamok> @requerdanos Pretty much any competent Linus sysadmin could do it. And if the documentation is good enough, anyone capable of following documentation. But whoever it is needs access to the systems, which are locked down, and the people who have access (or can grant access) are not available or not contactable.
[23:11:28] <requerdanos> Okay, that makes sense. Thanks.
[23:12:16] <pTamok> You're welcome.
[23:15:28] <pTamok> We could probably do with a status page hosted somewhere, on independent infrastructure with an independent domain, like. say, soylentnewsstatus.org that could be updated by editors as well as admins.
[23:18:28] <pTamok> Bye all, hope this gets fixed sooner rather than later.
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[23:26:29] <mrpg> #weather
[23:26:52] <mrpg> $weather
[23:27:03] <mrpg> =weather
[23:27:08] <mrpg> !weather
[23:27:26] <mrpg> [printable]weather
[23:29:01] <mrpg> 8pm 33C that-s 91.4F
[23:29:44] <mrpg> im gonna run a bath and then pasta with ham and cheese and bread and fruits.
[23:30:47] <mrpg> : to fill the bathtub with water for a bath
[23:31:07] <mrpg> o no im going to take a shower i dont have a bathtub
[23:31:51] <mrpg> So i ve 20 year thinking it meatn "to bathe" ???
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[23:56:47] <mrpg> it is done, i'm bathed. based? i took a shower.