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[23:56:47] <mrpg> it is done, i'm bathed. based? i took a shower.
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[23:31:51] <mrpg> So i ve 20 year thinking it meatn "to bathe" ???
[23:31:07] <mrpg> o no im going to take a shower i dont have a bathtub
[23:30:47] <mrpg> : to fill the bathtub with water for a bath
[23:29:44] <mrpg> im gonna run a bath and then pasta with ham and cheese and bread and fruits.
[23:29:01] <mrpg> 8pm 33C that-s 91.4F
[23:27:26] <mrpg> [printable]weather
[23:27:08] <mrpg> !weather
[23:27:03] <mrpg> =weather
[23:26:52] <mrpg> $weather
[23:26:29] <mrpg> #weather
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[23:18:28] <pTamok> Bye all, hope this gets fixed sooner rather than later.
[23:15:28] <pTamok> We could probably do with a status page hosted somewhere, on independent infrastructure with an independent domain, like. say, soylentnewsstatus.org that could be updated by editors as well as admins.
[23:12:16] <pTamok> You're welcome.
[23:11:28] <requerdanos> Okay, that makes sense. Thanks.
[23:11:01] <pTamok> @requerdanos Pretty much any competent Linus sysadmin could do it. And if the documentation is good enough, anyone capable of following documentation. But whoever it is needs access to the systems, which are locked down, and the people who have access (or can grant access) are not available or not contactable.
[23:04:46] <Bytram> So, we wait. Patiently.
[23:04:44] <requerdanos> I keep hearing about people not having access. Out of curiosity, what's an example of a qualified person to change the certs who doesn't have access?
[23:03:49] <Bytram> Laci: There ya go; we are just waiting for someone to show up with the "keys to the kingdom".
[23:00:55] <pTamok> It's true. The people currently available who are capable of fixing it don't have sufficient access to the Soylentnews infrastructure, and the people who control access (and can also do the work) are not available and/or contactable.
[23:00:53] <Bytram> Something like six years ago, I set up our certs a couple time with "The Mighty Buzzard". Unfortunately, I forgot most of it (thanks to strokes) *AND* all the servers have been coalesced so I don't know where things are any more. So, we wait.
[22:56:54] <Laci> Hello... just wondering... chrome and safari claims that the soylentnews.org certificate has expired yesterday. Is it true, or I missed something?
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[22:52:59] <Bytram> pTamok: That sounds like a good summary. Yes, the certs are busted. I worked with NCommander, he confirmed. Result: Go ask Kolie. I sent K0lie a text; please update certs. AIUI, he's away for the w/e to see his children.
[22:50:47] <ted-ious> It's using let's encrypt so there's no reason the certificate can't be renewed automatically.
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[22:49:07] <pTamok> Dillo (on Linux) lets me in with a warning about an expired certificate. Although I understand people might not want to install more software. And the site rendering isn't perfect, but probably 'good enough' for those that need a fix.
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[22:36:02] <mrpg> FF is acting up, I'll be back.
[22:33:35] <mrpg> I'd rther wait and not install something else.
[22:33:29] <pTamok> Hmm. It's possible I turned off HSTS somehow. My feeble memory could have sent the relevant into into /dev/null
[22:32:52] <Gaaark> Try Chromium?
[22:32:32] <mrpg> Mine says HSTS https strict transport something, doesn't let me bypass it. Chrome and FF.
[22:32:25] <pTamok> On the next page, scroll down, and hit the "Accept the Risk and Continue" button.
[22:31:31] <pTamok> OK. When I hit the URL, I get "Warning: Potential Security Risk Ahead". I hit the "Advanced" button...
[22:29:51] <mrpg> My FF didn't.
[22:29:39] <pTamok> Firefox 122.0 on Linux lets me in, after going through a 'scary' security dialogue.
[22:27:46] <Gaaark> I gotta start lurking here more often again.... life is so chaotic at times. Sigh. Accessed site through chromium, though
[22:23:57] <mrpg> I hope to buy a new pillow tomorrow.
[22:23:57] <pTamok> I fear it might be: https://en.wikipedia.org(Baby_Goodbye)
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[22:22:25] <Gaaark> I want my baby back, baby back, baby back SN! ;)
[22:21:30] <pTamok> The last comment was aimed at DarkHelmet, who left before I hit <Return>
[22:21:29] <drussell> Well, it will be eventually , but only once one of the few people with access finally notice.
[22:21:17] <Gaaark> Nice... Thanks for the info
[22:20:15] <pTamok> resolved.
[22:20:14] <pTamok> I understand that the main issue is not lack of admins, but that the people currently available who are capable of doing the work don't have sufficient access to the Soylentnews infrastructure, and the people who control access (and can also do the work) are not available and/or contactable. So an impasse. I don't know if it can, or will be,
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[21:53:38] <DarkHelmet> hell, even backup, got like 200T free on my ZFS server
[21:52:31] <DarkHelmet> offer still stands if ya need anything
[21:52:21] <DarkHelmet> I know I offered some VM/disk/etc for the site before.
[21:48:48] <DarkHelmet> I really don't know, but how many admins are there?
[21:46:13] <DarkHelmet> ouch
[21:45:41] <fab23> as far as I know its a manual process to issue and distribute the certificates for all services
[21:44:04] <DarkHelmet> no admins here that can kick certbot?
[21:43:44] <DarkHelmet> keep firing assholes!
[21:43:12] <chromas> "I knew it! I'm surrounded by assholes!"
[21:42:36] <chromas> say the line!
[21:42:12] <DarkHelmet> :)
[21:42:07] <DarkHelmet> fucking ssl.
[21:41:56] <ted-ious> I have no idea why it isn't renewed automatically with the certbot script.
[21:41:24] <ted-ious> Yes thanks. :)
[21:41:14] <DarkHelmet> assuming everyone knows SSL is fubar/expired?
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[21:24:06] <Fnord666> An astronomer ahead of your time!
[21:20:59] <aristarchus> Fine. The Earth still orbits around the sun (not the other way around).
[21:20:21] <Fnord666> Rather than speculate, I'll just ask. How are you doing today?
[21:19:06] <Fnord666> Probably true.
[21:18:53] <aristarchus> This endless speculation about me is not healthy, people! Less projection leads to a happier life.
[21:17:58] <Fnord666> If I had to pick a dwarf I'd say he's probably grumpy.
[21:17:31] <Bytram> I'm glad you are happy
[21:16:33] <aristarchus> Who's complaining? Great day for humanity!
[21:16:08] <Bytram> You are not happy until you complain.
[21:11:40] <aristarchus> _THIS_ is how it ends? Expired certs and fish puns? Oddly apropos.
[20:30:44] <halibut> I'm lunch. Need to convince people not to eat.
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[20:10:11] <Bytram> I'm famished; need to eat lunch (3 hours late) :/
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[19:31:42] <janrinok> There isn't as far as I know.
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[19:29:49] <soylentil68> the backup IRC - Libera.chat ##soylentnews. Is there a link to that on the mainpage? Not that the mainpage is 100% reliable, but I was able to load it today, and sometimes you'll have a cached copy.
[19:23:22] <mrpg> Fish pun in French: what is the fish that has no birth certificate? le poisson pané.
[19:22:30] <halibut> I know. I actually picked this nick based on a very similar pun.
[19:21:56] <janrinok> halibut, if you hadn't worked it out yet - it was a terrible fish pun...
[19:21:20] <halibut> <+Bytram> I said that just for the halibut! <--- You called?
[19:10:28] <janrinok> Everyone make sure that you are aware of the backup IRC - Libera.chat ##soylentnews. If we lose IRC too then we all gather there.
[19:01:01] <drussell> Not that that helps anything, since there is the reminder bot on #staff, etc. but none of us have access to actually DO anything about it...
[19:00:03] <drussell> I had a reminder set in my phone, since the last time back in November it went right down to the wire.
[18:59:54] <janrinok> true :)
[18:59:25] <drussell> No, technically we've known that the certificates were expiring for 90 days + a few hours... :(
[18:58:31] <janrinok> We've known that the certs were expiring for about a month, but it seems nobody actually was prepared to do anything about it.
[18:57:48] <janrinok> mrpg - I can do that: 'It is down'.
[18:57:21] <mrpg> We need status.soylentnews.org
[18:47:32] <drussell> Nobody with the correct keys to drive the server is paying attention.
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[18:47:08] <soylentil79> cool thx bye
[18:46:57] <drussell> Yeah, we know...
[18:46:42] <soylentil79> Error code: SEC_ERROR_EXPIRED_CERTIFICATE
[18:46:42] <soylentil79> The certificate for soylentnews.org expired on 2/3/2024.
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[18:43:36] <soylentil68> Been locked out on Chrome all morning, apparently expired security certificates. Can still get in with Opera choosing the "unsafe" option, but...
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[18:42:06] <mrpg> I'll go buy ice cream and candies. Be back in 7 minutes.
[18:41:24] <mrpg> Now I want tuna and pasta.
[18:39:23] <Bytram> I said that just for the halibut!
[18:37:23] <janrinok> lol
[18:35:54] <Bytram> That sounds... fishy (!)
[18:32:53] <janrinok> looks like we are being left to flounder.
[18:26:41] <janrinok> audioguy is away from home. mechanicjay is probably not available.
[18:20:40] <Bytram> kolie: Hi! Can you please help? Our certs have expired!!!
[18:04:08] <Bytram> AFK
[17:59:32] <Bytram> chromas: can you please help, or at least contact whomever is suppose to be able to help??
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[17:53:40] <Bytram> I think he meant "Kolie" ??
[17:52:53] <Bytram> NCommander said "Setup has changed." *and* "I pinged Jolie and he said staff has access and can do it. "limited net ability atm"
[17:35:56] <fab23> in general it tells the browser to connect to that site only with https, but should not make a difference for the exception of an exprided certificate
[17:34:05] <fab23> HSTS is an optional header line the webserver can sends, e.g.: Strict-Transport-Security: max-age=16070400
[17:16:52] <Runaway1956> completed journal entry while the site is down, lol https://soylentnews.org
[17:07:26] <Runaway1956> I'll put that on my list of things to figure out.
[17:07:24] <drussell> If you go to logs.sylnt.us Firefox will let you through, for example, as HSTS is not in force.
[17:06:59] <drussell> Because they ignore this particular implication of HSTS?
[17:06:16] <Runaway1956> Is that a failure here, or there?
[17:05:59] <Runaway1956> Why does Librewolf load the site then, after telling it to make an exception?
[17:04:40] <drussell> If SN wasn't HTTP Strict Transport Security, you could add the exception.
[17:04:20] <drussell> It's not Firefox making that decision, SoylentNews has HSTS enabled so Firefox refuses to add an exception to connect insecurely.
[17:03:49] <Runaway1956> Ungoogled Chrome won't play.
[17:02:41] <Runaway1956> Haven't messed with Chrome and derivatives yet.
[17:02:14] <Runaway1956> However, Librewolf permits exceptions to be made.
[17:01:46] <Runaway1956> FWIW, Firefox refuses to add exceptions for sites lacking valid certs.
[16:37:39] <pTamok> Well, I was late to the party, and didn't bring wine (resources). I won't steal the pizza. Good luck.
[16:36:26] <drussell> Thanks for trying to give the heads up, mate...
[16:35:47] <pTamok> Unfortunately, there's nothing I can do. I hope someone who can sort it out does so soon. Thanks for the quick and efficient update.
[16:34:18] <drussell> Indeed.
[16:34:00] <pTamok> Ah. Not ideal.
[16:33:53] <pTamok> OK, so I don't need to post details.
[16:33:37] <drussell> Nobody with the correct keys to drive the server is paying attention.
[16:33:23] <drussell> We know.
[16:33:17] <pTamok> This is no doubt old news, but we have an expired certificate
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[16:30:29] <drussell> LOL, nice move. He does spend an inordinate amount of time shaking his fist at clouds here. :)
[16:29:49] <chromas> We're just keeping it around as a trap for ari's nonsense, so it doesn't escape to the rest of the net
[16:28:43] <drussell> Didn't even log in or check the site for the next year. I was actually surprised it was still here.
[16:28:25] <drussell> After the third nuking of my journal entry where I was drafting out my offer, I threw up my hands and said fuck it.
[16:28:01] <drussell> It was pretty clear that he intended to kill the site.
[16:27:50] <drussell> I offered to buy out Michael and take ownership of the site back in 2022 during the upgrade debacle. He rebuffed me.
[16:26:59] <drussell> LOL... :)
[16:25:30] <chromas> well sure, but I was keeping it realistic :D
[16:21:05] <drussell> No, I think we just need people with proper access to administer the servers. This is silly.
[16:19:37] <chromas> there's no drawbacks, and we don't want the type of people who don't know how to tell their browser to fuck off with its warning nonsense
[16:19:02] <chromas> we should just go self-signed
[16:02:46] <drussell> Sat, 03 Feb 2024 15:38:06 GMT
[16:02:46] <drussell> Not Valid After:
[16:01:45] <drussell> HEADS UP: Certificate is expired.
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[14:29:27] <janrinok> It is only one name that is causing the bounce - the email still gets to all of the other admins. Thanks for the notification.
[11:36:51] <soylentil4> unknown
[11:36:51] <soylentil4> FYI: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender, <audioguy@soylentnews.org> (expanded from <admin@soylentnews.org>): user
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[10:16:50] <Ingar> arignoredus
[10:07:55] <janrinok> A very appropriate track
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[08:45:54] <aristarchus> Front page: Old Timer's disease is contagious!
[08:45:53] <aristarchus> call the authorities. </quote>
[08:45:53] <aristarchus> psychological issues, a sort of an inverse of another Doctor of Mathematics, Ted Kaczynski, who also dwelt near the Continental Divide, as does the khallow? Let us know what we can do for your, K., since interventions so far appear to be ineffectual. Professional help? Don't end up like Runaway, old and insane, but with no one who cares enough to
[08:45:52] <aristarchus> <quote>We don't hate you, my dear soft and fluffy khallow. Instead, we pity you. And for a decade, not just two minutes. [note: khallow has just spam posted the two minute hate scene from <i>1984</i>, and this is in response.] How could anyone with a PhD, albeit in Math, be so fucking stupid, for this fucking long? There must be serious
[08:45:52] <aristarchus> out. Or, just to stick it to the staff.
[08:45:51] <aristarchus> Speaking of alienating the pasty whites, staff here at SoylentNews have finally taken to deleting comments they disagree with. If only they had a consistent policy from the beginning, instead of pretending to be freeze peaches people. This comment has be deleted nearly a dozen times, so someone is posting it everywhere, so the truth will
[08:45:30] <aristarchus> We anticipate legal actions. Fraud, extortion, arseholery.
[08:36:49] <aristarchus> Who are the new board members, and what mental institution are they locked up in?
[08:31:16] <aristarchus> I really do think chromas posts from an institution. And and not a voluntary one.
[08:27:38] <chromas> ^ Basement Jaxx - Where's Your Head At (Official Video)
[08:27:21] <chromas> ari's theme https://www.youtube.com
[08:22:36] <aristarchus> I am in your head, janrinok. Listen to your doctor.
[08:22:15] <janrinok> I guess I still have him on ignore....
[08:22:13] <aristarchus> You're welcome.
[08:20:43] <chromas> ok, thanks
[08:20:18] <aristarchus> So there will be no transfer of ownership to the new cabal? Jan and chromas, you have screwed the soylent.
[08:17:51] <janrinok> lol
[08:13:32] <chromas> nah, my rig has more exposed wires
[08:10:58] <janrinok> chromas, I hope that is not a picture of how your server is connected to its power source.....
[08:10:36] <aristarchus> Deleting of comments is now standard practice, along with the shadow-banning? Asking for a friend, you know.
[08:00:32] <aristarchus> Contagion of Alzheimer's over the digitial pathways of SoylentNews. I Gnew it!
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[07:44:41] <chromas> https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net
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