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[02:44:10] <Bytram> Grrr!
[02:49:22] <Bytram> Ubuntu Linux crashes on startup; suspect last-opened tab is to blame. How can I launch Linux so that it DOES NOT try to automatically launch all my open tabs?
[02:50:49] <Bytram> s/Linux/Firefox/
[02:54:35] <Bytram> IOW, be able to open Firefox with all previously-opened tabs... CLOSED. I want it Firefox to launch with default window *only*.
[02:55:50] <Bytram> (please ping me when you reply so that I see it)
[02:56:01] <Bytram> .
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[07:30:12] <halibut> Bytram: I thought if Firefox kept crashing on start, it would start up with a window asking you if you wanted to restore tabs. If that is not happening for you, perhaps some of these other tricks might help:
[07:30:29] <halibut> From a terminal, try starting Firefox like this: firefox --safe-mode
[07:33:01] <halibut> Try temporarily disabling some restart features. Find your firefox profile directory (maybe look in ~/.mozilla/firefox/<various_characters> -- it should be a directory that contains a prefs.js; there may also be a ~/.mozilla/firefox/profiles.ini that tells you the directory name.)
[07:33:24] <halibut> In the profile directory, create a user.js file with a text editor (if the file exists, append to it). Add these lines:
[07:35:09] <halibut> user_pref("browser.sessionstore.max_resumed_crashes", 1);
[07:35:10] <halibut> user_pref("browser.sessionstore.resume_from_crash", false);
[07:35:10] <ted-ious> Didn't the mozilla people decide that letting users modify their own js files so they could avoid ads and junk was a security problem?
[07:35:10] <halibut> user_pref("browser.sessionstore.resume_session_once", false);
[07:35:56] <halibut> Note: When done playing with the user.js file, be sure to delete it (or, if it already existed, delete the lines you added, or restore from a copy).
[07:36:21] <halibut> ted-ious: I have a user.js, and (so far) Firefox reads settings from it.
[07:36:54] <ted-ious> I'm sure I remember a big long thread about that.
[07:37:29] <ted-ious> But I don't know how they ended up deciding after people complained.
[07:38:25] <chromas> it still works; they just hide the options for it like they did with skins before they took them away
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[19:04:32] <Runaway1956> Bytram - open terminal and type firefox --safe-mode
[19:05:56] <Runaway1956> Of from start menu, select "Run" then type firefox --safe-mode (not sure if you get that option on Ubuntu)
[19:06:37] <Runaway1956> once in safe mode, just go into history and delete suspected tabs from history
[19:07:34] <Runaway1956> Oh, nuts, I'm adding nothing to an hours old conversation that halibut has already solved, lol
[19:07:40] <Runaway1956> need to look at time stamps
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[22:29:17] <Bytram> halibut: Starting from a term; firefox --safe-mode Returned me immediately to the login prompt :(
[22:30:48] <Bytram> info #1:
[22:30:59] <Bytram> martyb@E6410-001:~/.mozilla/firefox$ ls -l ~/.mozilla/firefox/
[22:30:59] <Bytram> total 24
[22:30:59] <Bytram> drwx------ 4 martyb martyb 4096 Nov 6 2022 'Crash Reports'
[22:30:59] <Bytram> -rw-rw-r-- 1 martyb martyb 62 Feb 22 2020 installs.ini
[22:30:59] <Bytram> drwx------ 2 martyb martyb 4096 Feb 22 2020 jcn20kah.default
[22:31:00] <Bytram> drwx------ 2 martyb martyb 4096 Feb 22 2020 'Pending Pings'
[22:31:02] <Bytram> -rw-rw-r-- 1 martyb martyb 259 Feb 22 2020 profiles.ini
[22:31:04] <Bytram> drwx------ 16 martyb martyb 4096 Nov 10 2022 u8ufsn27.default-release
[22:31:06] <Bytram> ma
[22:31:08] <Bytram> .
[22:31:39] <Bytram> info #2:
[22:31:52] <Bytram> martyb@E6410-001:~/.mozilla/firefox$ cat profiles.ini
[22:31:52] <Bytram> [Install4F96D1932A9F858E]
[22:31:52] <Bytram> Default=u8ufsn27.default-release
[22:31:52] <Bytram> Locked=1
[22:31:52] <Bytram> [Profile1]
[22:31:54] <Bytram> Name=default
[22:31:56] <Bytram> IsRelative=1
[22:31:58] <Bytram> Path=jcn20kah.default
[22:32:00] <Bytram> Default=1
[22:32:02] <Bytram> [Profile0]
[22:32:04] <Bytram> Name=default-release
[22:32:06] <Bytram> IsRelative=1
[22:32:08] <Bytram> Path=u8ufsn27.default-release
[22:32:10] <Bytram> [General]
[22:32:12] <Bytram> StartWithLastProfile=1
[22:32:14] <Bytram> Version=2
[22:32:16] <Bytram> .
[22:32:18] <Bytram> FINI
[22:37:31] <Bytram> I cannot seem to find the: "profile directory"
[22:38:49] <Bytram> halibut: I really appreciate all the help!
[22:41:39] <Bytram> Runaway1956: Thank-you for trying to help, too!
[22:42:49] <Bytram> we may not be there yet, but I feel we ARE getting closer!
[23:05:51] <Runaway1956> So, Firefox is crashing your entire desktop?
[23:06:11] <Runaway1956> I think I would uninstall and purge Firefox, then reinstall.
[23:06:24] <Runaway1956> Simple uninstall may not clean the problem up.
[23:07:07] <Runaway1956> Unless you've picked up some kind of malware?
[23:09:57] <Bytram> Runaway1956: That is correct... ka-boom!
[23:10:13] <Runaway1956> sudo apt --purge remove firefox
[23:11:00] <Runaway1956> Nothing similar happens with any other application?
[23:11:01] <Bytram> As for reinstalling...
[23:11:33] <Runaway1956> with a purge, you lose EVERYTHING - bookmarks, history, preferences, addons, EVERYTHING
[23:13:05] <Bytram> I have installed some aps over the years, and got my other preference settings... "just right"
[23:13:15] <Runaway1956> sudo apt install firefox
[23:14:03] <Bytram> how is that going to help me preserve my prior settings?
[23:14:49] <Runaway1956> try apt install --reinstall see if it fixes anything before you use drastic measures
[23:15:04] <Runaway1956> install --reinstall won't change anything
[23:16:30] <Bytram> So, this exact command?: sudo apt install firefox
[23:16:54] <Runaway1956> sudo apt install --reinstall firefox
[23:17:25] <Runaway1956> Without the --reinstall apt is going to tell you "latest version already installed" or similar language
[23:18:10] <Bytram> got it. /me crosses fingers... and eyes :)
[23:19:45] <Bytram> here goes nothing.
[23:20:01] <Runaway1956> if it fails, we'll try an escalation without purging
[23:20:10] * Bytram issues: sudo apt install firefox
[23:20:49] <Bytram> Well, no boom. yet.
[23:21:17] <Runaway1956> You didn't get "latest version already installed" ??? Surprised.
[23:21:22] * Bytram not tries to launch firefox
[23:23:38] <Bytram> Annnd, ka-boom :(
[23:24:23] <Runaway1956> Try downloading Firefox nightly, unzip it, and click on the executable within that folder, see if nightly firefox will run
[23:24:30] <Runaway1956> let me find the link . . .
[23:26:12] <chromas> if the desktop is crashing it might be a driver issue
[23:26:31] <chromas> is there an option to disable hw accel?
[23:26:56] <Bytram> it *was* working just fine...
[23:27:13] <chromas> what changed?
[23:27:28] <Runaway1956> https://download-installer.cdn.mozilla.net
[23:27:48] <Bytram> then I tried to open just obe more
[23:28:04] <Runaway1956> Grab that tar.bz and unpack it somewhere convenient
[23:28:32] <Runaway1956> navigate to that folder in a terminal, and type ./firefox
[23:29:06] <Bytram> then I tried to open just open "just one more window"... and it's been crashing ever since
[23:29:19] <chromas> years ago I had my PC start rebooting in the exact same spot of a specific sound file playing until it quit working. Then I found out my CPU fins were stuffed with dust and a CPU burned out
[23:29:42] <chromas> better check for dust
[23:31:38] <Bytram> It's a Dell laptop
[23:31:53] <chromas> oh yeah, Dells don't get dust
[23:32:18] <chromas> Once you have a working desktop or tty you could also peek at the systemd journal
[23:32:23] <chromas> journalctl -xe
[23:32:50] <Bytram> Latitude|E6410
[23:38:34] <Bytram> I *do* have a fallback. An alternate/backup install of firefox. It is very bare-boned, but it does run. I'm getting tired, too. I think I'll use that backup tonight.
[23:39:08] <Runaway1956> Cool. You do have a working install.
[23:39:41] <Bytram> Runaway1956: chromas: Thanks a bunch for all your help!
[23:39:57] <Runaway1956> np
[23:40:10] * chromas redirect 96% of the received thanks back over to Runaway1956
[23:41:00] <Bytram> It lacks uMatrix and/or uBlock
[23:41:05] <chromas> one person suggests editing prefs.js in the profile
[23:41:10] <chromas> user_pref("browser.preferences.defaultPerformanceSettings.enabled", false);
[23:41:10] <chromas> user_pref("layers.acceleration.disabled", true);
[23:41:34] <Bytram> but, it DOES work.
[23:41:54] <chromas> (to disable hardware acceleration, which is a possible cause of crashation)
[23:42:29] <Bytram> where is it located? I could not find it :/
[23:43:03] <chromas> oh yeah, reinstalling firefox won't nuke your profile, so if there's some weird borkulation in your list of open tabs or settings then it'll still be there
[23:43:50] <Bytram> bingo
[23:43:50] <chromas> should be in /home/bytram/.mozilla/firefox/
[23:44:18] <Bytram> that seems to be the exact problem
[23:45:27] <chromas> oh I missed that you already looked in there
[23:46:29] <Bytram> heh. on my PC, I am user martyb :)
[23:47:21] <Bytram> BEGIN
[23:47:33] <Bytram> martyb@E6410-001:~/.mozilla/firefox$ ls -ltr
[23:47:33] <Bytram> total 24
[23:47:33] <Bytram> drwx------ 2 martyb martyb 4096 Feb 22 2020 'Pending Pings'
[23:47:33] <Bytram> -rw-rw-r-- 1 martyb martyb 259 Feb 22 2020 profiles.ini
[23:47:33] <Bytram> drwx------ 2 martyb martyb 4096 Feb 22 2020 jcn20kah.default
[23:47:34] <Bytram> -rw-rw-r-- 1 martyb martyb 62 Feb 22 2020 installs.ini
[23:47:36] <Bytram> drwx------ 4 martyb martyb 4096 Nov 6 2022 'Crash Reports'
[23:47:38] <Bytram> drwx------ 16 martyb martyb 4096 Nov 10 2022 u8ufsn27.default-release
[23:47:40] <Bytram> martyb@E6410-001:~/.mozilla/firefox$
[23:47:42] <Bytram> END
[23:47:51] <chromas> yeah I found it in the scrollback
[23:48:02] <chromas> and your cat of profiles.ini
[23:48:40] <Bytram> what was I looking for again?
[23:49:04] * Bytram is more tired than I thought I was
[23:49:49] <chromas> looks like u8ufsn27.default-release since it's got the lock
[23:50:18] <chromas> the other one says it's default, but mine's the same way...the 'default' profile is inactive and the one being used has the locked flag
[23:50:27] <chromas> better get some sleep in, mister!
[23:52:38] <Bytram> will do. thanks so much for (trying to) help :^)
[23:53:04] <chromas> don't worry, firefox will still be there when you get back
[23:53:11] <chromas> it'll be two or three versions ahead though
[23:53:53] <Bytram> LOL!!!!
[23:54:55] <Bytram> That was a genuine gut-level laugh!
[23:55:16] <Bytram> adios amigos!
[23:55:43] <chromas> g'doy moyt