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[01:58:13] <kolie> well looks like the new dns stack is mostly working
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[03:43:32] <kolie> o/ think im done for the day.
[03:43:45] <kolie> fixed web chat and setup a full dns stack is the main highlights for today.
[03:44:03] <kolie> going to do the znc and atheme documentation tmw most likely.
[03:50:37] <chromas> Do we support irc3 yet? I need my inline attachments
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[07:06:15] <aristarchus> Well done, kolie!
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[10:57:34] <kyonko> what a strange error message
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[16:25:22] <kolie> damnit
[16:25:30] <kolie> I always miss ari.
[16:25:48] <requerdanos> how fortunate.
[16:25:53] <kolie> Do the different ac voices talk in his own head like they do in the forum?
[16:26:55] <kolie> chromas, dont think that's an irc 3 veature is it?
[16:27:03] <kolie> tongue in cheek or serial?
[16:29:58] <kolie> ergo supports everying and the drafts ( accoun reg, channel rename multiline, chat history and read marker ). inspircd supports all the ircv3 features ootb - no drafts. unreal has the spec - no drafts and no standard replies. solanum is missing a bit.
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[16:35:24] <kolie> So what functionalities are AC missing right now?
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[17:17:48] <UserFromWeb1> OK, testing the Web-to-IRC thingy...
[17:23:30] <kolie> hi
[17:25:08] <kolie> Not quite AC status.
[17:25:25] <kolie> Are you the ari?
[17:42:04] * Ingar has always been Ingar
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[17:56:47] <kolie> getting whispers of github being a pieceof shit today
[17:57:43] <usuario1> kolie: you mean if I am ari?
[17:57:48] <usuario1> nope
[17:58:04] <kolie> lol no UserFromWeb1
[17:58:22] <usuario1> I'm also UserFromWeb1
[17:58:24] <kolie> oh you are user from web 1 got it.
[17:59:22] <UserFromWeb1> gonna try the web thingy without javascript...
[17:59:34] <kolie> Not going to work lol.
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[18:00:01] <kolie> websockets and updating dom kind of requires js.
[18:00:17] <kolie> js or uhh wasm
[18:00:54] <usuario1> yeah, not Web-to-IRC without javascript
[18:02:05] <kolie> https://www.githubstatus.com
[18:02:06] <systemd> ^ 03GitHub Status
[18:02:51] <kolie> They found the root cause yay.
[18:03:46] <fab23> just use an IRC in the Cloud :)
[18:05:00] <kolie> It's raining inside the cloud today. come back later.
[18:05:13] <fab23> \o/
[18:05:49] <fab23> kolie: and containers are the thing where I put the trash in.
[18:06:13] <kolie> How do you know about my rectangular filing bin!
[18:06:25] <kolie> There's where I keep ari's comments and colos mod points.
[18:07:42] <fab23> on FreeBSD you could put stuff into jails
[18:10:09] <kolie> freebsd is my jam
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[19:37:24] <fab23> https://xkcd.com
[19:37:24] <systemd> ^ 03Glass-Topped Table
[19:39:04] <kolie> ls
[19:39:25] <requerdanos> no files found
[19:40:15] <kolie> touch my_toes
[19:41:26] <kolie> My favorite line in the configs
[19:41:27] <kolie> "Most networks will want opensex"
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[20:56:27] <progo> "github being a piece of shit today" -- SourceHut claims to run circles around GitHub, for performance on core functions like repo and Issue access. and SourceHut's web front-end has no javascript, too. :^)
[20:56:38] * progo is a SourceHut customer
[20:57:01] <requerdanos> Happy customers can be good advertising, it seems.
[20:57:10] <progo> I endorse SourceHut. happy customer
[20:57:33] <progo> it's free software you can install on your own system if you'd like. big pile of small services you have to connect to each other though
[20:57:52] <progo> probably only enterprises actually run their own
[20:59:40] <ted-ious> Can you completely duplicate the whole set on your own systems?
[20:59:54] <ted-ious> Or do you need to be a phd to get the advanced stuff working?
[21:01:36] <progo> probably somewhere in the middle ted-ious
[21:02:19] <progo> read the public mailing lists for the core product (for devs) and see what kind of issues newbies have. I haven't looked into it
[21:02:54] <progo> it's developed in the open and might have a few developers who have no financial relationship to the company
[21:03:35] <progo> Mercurial support is there and I think that's an outside contribution
[21:03:54] <ted-ious> What does it do besides what you could get from gitea?
[21:05:01] <progo> not sure where gitea's capabilities end, but gitea is definitely the size of product you want for a small team or one person at home. SourceHut has: pastebin, wiki, issue tracker, mailing list, repo management. various ancillary services like users and roles. and it has build/integration as a service
[21:05:36] <progo> PAYING SourceHut to provide me online service so I don't have to worry about all that -- that's good enough for me. and I don't feel locked in.
[21:06:05] <progo> also, if you're into it, everything in SourceHut is email oriented. issues lists are actually a mailing list
[21:06:06] <ted-ious> Wow that's a lot of features.
[21:06:20] <progo> you're supposed to contribute to repos you don't own on sourcehut only via email (a patch)
[21:06:28] <progo> there's howtos for newbies, for that
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[21:10:23] <progo> I ran away from GitHub when Microsoft didn't respond to people complaining that Copilot will write "Fast Inverse Square Root" without the license and give you no indication you just violated a copyright
[21:10:48] <progo> I'll post on other users' GitHub resources if appropriate. I moved all my owned data out of GitHub
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[21:15:01] <aristarchus> kolie, nice of you to admit to sequestering c0lo's mod points. Not a way to build trust, however.
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[21:51:19] <Bytram> Query: How do you suggest I can "beep" the PC speaker using Linux (Ubuntu)? I had had something that worked fine under Windows.
[21:53:10] <chromas> beep command
[21:53:20] <chromas> you might have to install a package for it
[21:54:00] <chromas> or possibly you can write to the device node in /dev
[21:56:02] <Bytram> There is a Linux beep command?
[21:56:36] <Bytram> back in 5; laundry
[21:56:37] <chromas> sí
[21:57:49] <Bytram> path?
[21:58:02] <chromas> probably /usr/bin where everything is
[21:58:19] <chromas> you can run "which beep" and it'll tell you where it's at
[21:58:53] <chromas> if it's not there then you'll need to install it, probably with something like "sudo apt-get install beep"
[21:59:28] <kolie> Dude I ALWAYS miss ari.
[21:59:32] <kolie> I just went to lunch damnit.
[21:59:47] <chromas> yeah that's not suspicious at all
[22:00:07] <chromas> "Hey I was totally gone, did you guys see that other guy just a minute ago? oh darn I totally missed him!"
[22:01:29] <ted-ious> chromas: You can't accuse kolie and me both of being aristarchus at the same time. :)
[22:02:00] <chromas> some people on an eight-year-old post said they had to explicitly load the pc speaker kernel module on ubuntu in order to get beeps
[22:02:01] <ted-ious> Not unless we have shared custody of his identity.
[22:10:17] <Bytram> Not quite:
[22:10:20] <Bytram> beep: Error: Could not open any device
[22:11:00] <chromas> maybe sudo modprobe snd-pcsp
[22:11:16] <requerdanos> or `sudo beep` if it's a permissions problem
[22:11:23] <chromas> good point
[22:12:51] <requerdanos> stack exchange says `echo -ne '\007'` which works for me locally in debian 11
[22:25:40] <Bytram> After some more digging, I tried this:
[22:25:43] <Bytram> beep -f 1000 -n -f 2000 -n -f 1500
[22:25:44] <Bytram> beep: Error: Could not open any device
[22:25:56] <Bytram> so
[22:26:02] <chromas> you may need to do it with sudo
[22:26:26] <chromas> if the permissions on the pc speaker don't allow access to normie users
[22:26:39] <requerdanos> https://unix.stackexchange.com
[22:26:40] <systemd> ^ 03How do I make my pc speaker beep
[22:27:30] <Bytram> BEGIN
[22:27:31] <Bytram> sudo beep -f 1000 -n -f 2000 -n -f 1500
[22:27:31] <Bytram> beep: Error: Running as root under sudo, which is not supported for security reasons.
[22:27:31] <Bytram> beep: Error: Set up permissions for the pcspkr evdev device file and run as non-root user instead.
[22:27:34] <Bytram> END
[22:27:58] <requerdanos> and for this?: echo -ne '\007'
[22:28:15] <Bytram> is's trying, but fails
[22:29:39] <Bytram> Hmmm
[22:29:41] <Bytram> echo -ne '\007'
[22:30:03] <Bytram> no error, but silent
[22:30:18] <chromas> Do you know that you have a working pc speaker in that box?
[22:30:48] <chromas> if it's a laptop then there's a good chance the beep is generated by your regular sound 'card' and there may be a volume/mute for it in the sound mixer
[22:30:49] <Bytram> it is a laptop; es
[22:30:55] <Bytram> it is a laptop; yes
[22:35:29] <requerdanos> this also works for me locally, thru the soundcard instead of the pc speaker: play -q -n synth 0.1 sin 880
[22:35:38] <requerdanos> (it depends on the 'sox' package)
[22:37:56] <Bytram> yup!
[22:38:07] <Bytram> play -q -n synth 0.1 sin 880
[22:38:07] <Bytram> Command 'play' not found, but can be installed with:
[22:38:07] <Bytram> sudo apt install sox
[22:38:39] <Bytram> brb
[22:41:24] <Bytram> installed...
[22:41:26] <Bytram> play -q -n synth 0.1 sin 880
[22:41:26] <Bytram> play WARN alsa: can't encode 0-bit Unknown or not applicable
[22:42:12] <requerdanos> something so simple sure isn't working out to be simple
[22:43:18] <Bytram> BEEP! sort of
[22:43:33] <kolie> I remember doing assembly when I was 8 and making the pc speaker beep using some of the low mem bios maps.
[22:43:43] <Bytram> play -q -n synth sin 880
[22:44:02] <Bytram> never-ending tone
[22:44:16] <Bytram> ^c helped
[22:45:01] <requerdanos> the 0.1 is maybe duration
[22:45:31] <kolie> mov ax, 7 \n _putCh AX
[22:46:12] <Bytram> play -q -n synth 0.1 sin 880
[22:46:13] <Bytram> play WARN alsa: can't encode 0-bit Unknown or not applicable
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[22:46:22] <Bytram> laundry
[22:47:52] <kolie> n-n-n-n-n-n etsplit!!!!
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[22:52:20] <kolie> What's supposed to happen in user admin when I click comments under the user name button.
[22:52:31] <kolie> It takes me to https://soylentnews.org but its blank
[22:52:31] <systemd> ^ 03upstart - SoylentNews User
[22:54:45] <kolie> hahahaha runaway1488 he gets clever this dude
[22:55:15] <requerdanos> s/clever/old\ fast
[22:55:55] <kolie> the longevity of the shitposting is admirable.
[22:56:33] <kolie> thats some real dedication.
[23:00:02] <chromas> probably gets social credit points for it
[23:01:28] <Bytram> sock puppet points. go for the alliterations
[23:01:54] <requerdanos> May actually believe he's fighting for free speech, a tireless toiler for trolls
[23:02:50] <chromas> he's against free speech though
[23:03:32] <requerdanos> I am against free speech if we're going by internet trolls as the definition of same.
[23:03:57] <requerdanos> I refer to the oblig. xkcd
[23:07:14] <kolie> I mean there is literal trash/shit posting and then there is extreme viewpoints. pretty obvious the fuck dalek posts are the first.
[23:08:25] <kolie> There's also discussing that viewpoint, and then astro turfing that in reply to every comment in every section.
[23:08:45] <kolie> Just be normal/civil with your weird shit.
[23:09:12] <requerdanos> if you are normal/civil with it people may take a long, long time to find out in what ways you are weird.
[23:09:25] <requerdanos> This, imo, is a laudable goal.
[23:11:00] <kolie> So why would people want to silence c0lo
[23:11:07] <kolie> whats the deal there.
[23:11:55] <requerdanos> I don't know of anyone who would want to.
[23:18:09] <Bytram> karmabot: Regurgitator: same here!
[23:19:39] <chromas> lol
[23:19:41] <kolie> Regurgitator lol
[23:31:44] <kolie> janrinok, do you have some time coming up for editor camp.
[23:56:05] <kolie> I know you mentioned some upcoming activities - so whenever those are finished.