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[00:21:07] <soylentil82> kek from the web
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[00:24:04] <kolie> https://irc.staging.soylentnews.org
[00:24:05] <systemd> ^ 03Kiwi IRC
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[01:22:49] <[R]> New web-chat?
[01:23:49] <[R]> (BTW, the existing IRC-web portal's error message provides no indication what the actual irc channel and network are)
[01:26:13] <Bytram> +++9*
[01:26:13] <karmabot> Bytram, +: -1
[01:26:17] <Bytram> +++-
[01:26:17] <karmabot> Bytram, +: -2
[01:27:15] <Bytram> sorry keyboard fart!
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[02:33:11] <kolie> i couldnt track down where that portal poaceholder was hosted
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[04:05:51] <soylentil78> Sweet, thanks!! New look, old functionality for the casual IRC visitor.
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[04:26:26] <kolie> sweet.
[04:35:53] <kolie> Looks like we used qwebirc before.
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[06:45:57] <janrinok> Kiwi IRC doesn't let me log in without a password - which pretty much defeats the object of why we used to have it. But if the policy has changed that it might be handy if somebody lets me know please.
[06:46:57] <janrinok> The idea was that anyone could log in and speak to staff without having to set up accounts and passwords.
[06:50:32] <janrinok> For example, if somebody was experiencing a problem making posts or they had found a page that was missing etc, they could let us know without having a pre-arranged account on IRC. It is open to abuse but then anyone can join the channel anyway so it makes no significant difference.
[06:57:27] <janrinok> Error message is: Closing Link: webirc. (Bad Password) - They shouldn't need a password
[06:57:34] <janrinok> kolie^
[07:56:58] <chromas> we didn't use kiwiirc
[07:58:04] <chromas> the one we did use was dead though, and Deucalion was looking into setting up a replacement (which could have been kiwiirc) but as far as I know, got distracted by less important things like work and life for some reason
[07:58:15] * chromas shakes head
[07:59:48] <chromas> important question: why are pitch and yaw called nodding and shaking for heads, but tilt and pan for cameras?
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[09:47:32] <Ingar> chromas: then why is it called pith and yaw for planes ?
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[11:56:25] <inz> chromas, and latitude and longitude for earth
[12:17:31] <Ingar> not to mention right ascension and declination
[12:18:56] <inz> And then there's the indian head bobble
[12:19:22] <Ingar> or the greeks nodding 'no'
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[13:49:29] * AlwaysNever is gone. OFF
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[16:39:25] <soylentil1> cool, I am number 1 :-)
[16:40:18] <soylentil1> Just wanted to test it, but somehow it needs more space then the WeeChat I am used to use.
[16:45:47] <soylentil1> Looks nice for a web IRC client, and I guess I will have to setup on my own infra, but now is time to leave it again. :)
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[16:58:28] <kolie> janrinok, - its not a password - there is an issue with ipv6 i figured out lastnight
[16:59:15] <kolie> I was on home testing and came across the issue already.
[17:12:17] <fab23> hm yes, its related to IPv6
[17:13:06] <fab23> the test I did before as soylentil1 was out of an IPv4-only network
[17:15:18] <fab23> SN is very very modern with TLS1.x and above, some still use SSLv2 (and SSLv3): https://isc.sans.edu
[17:15:19] <systemd> ^ 03InfoSec Handlers Diary Blog - SANS Internet Storm Center ( https://isc.sans.edu )
[17:24:54] <kolie> Which says that IOT devices are using them on their embedded stack - IOT devices - shining examples of perfect security.
[17:25:38] <kolie> The ISP rolled out a GPON gateway - with known vulnerabilities - on the largest kazak home isp.
[17:26:47] <kolie> I'm going to be resetting some staging services ( and wiki / dev )
[17:28:47] <fab23> https://twittoons.com
[17:28:48] <systemd> ^ 03Twittoons 72
[17:46:38] <janrinok> kolie, lol - I am now getting what appears to be a config file on the IRC link. I guess you are still working on it. And the wiki page is 'Not Found'
[17:47:16] <janrinok> just backread - thx
[17:47:18] <kolie> Yea it's a networking issue with ipv6 - doing some work on that staging box.
[17:47:42] <kolie> Doesn't seem to bother rehash / dev.
[17:47:52] <kolie> The issue - but i got the network disconnected on that system rn
[17:48:09] <kolie> need about 15 more minutes.
[17:49:01] <janrinok> np - I've got to get back to what I should be doing. I've got guests arriving tomorrow and I am getting their rooms ready.
[17:49:12] <kolie> awesome - hope it's a good time
[17:49:38] <janrinok> They will be here for 6 days and I haven't seen them for over 30 years
[17:50:28] <kolie> lots to catch up on in such a short time
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[18:00:09] <kolie> boom looking good!
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[18:16:02] <Deucalion> kolie, we used to run Atheme Iris for IRC Web Chat. Retired it because it had known security issues and no developers on the project (still the case). Played around with both kiwi and TheLounge as a possible replacement but holy shit the amount of dross both of them pull in from unvetted sources as part of the frameworks they are built upon had me can the idea of either. Maybe OK if you can restrain them in a container. Still give me the
[18:16:02] <Deucalion> willies though.
[18:28:26] <Deucalion> For a point of interest Libera network are offering both Kiwi (full fat heavy web client) and gamja (lightweight).
[18:28:36] <Deucalion> https://github.com
[18:28:37] <systemd> ^ 03GitHub - k4bek4be/gamja: Web IRC client. Cloned from https://git.sr.ht
[18:31:10] <Deucalion> As with everything these days it's either NPM or Node.JS as choices. Pick your supply chain vulnerability now
[18:51:54] <kolie> There is also qwebirc
[18:55:34] <janrinok> kolie, Wiki is now good but I am still getting problems with Kiwi, error message is "We couldn't connect to that server :( Could not connect securely"
[18:57:16] <kolie> yea i'm plugging away with all that rn.
[18:57:31] <kolie> Updating stuff on the host level to make sure ipv6 works all the way through.
[18:57:41] <kolie> Nice and documented with out ansible deployment.
[18:58:02] <janrinok> I thought we were already IPv6 all over
[18:58:41] <kolie> So we were terminating ipv6 at the load balancer
[18:58:47] <kolie> and going ipv4 into the backend.
[18:58:59] <janrinok> k
[18:59:03] <kolie> I've added one more layer of ipv6
[18:59:11] <kolie> Which is the loadalancer itself is ipv6 enabled.
[18:59:45] <kolie> What was happening is ipv6 ips where coming in, and getting based down the stack, but because of that the LB passed in its internal ipv4 address downstream
[18:59:59] <kolie> so all ipv6 connections came from 172.20.0.1 essentially
[19:00:24] <kolie> That's why webirc didnt work - that ip isn't a recognized webirc frontned - so you got password wrong errors but really it means - you are an unconfigured client.
[19:00:51] <janrinok> You will have to explain to me why we just don't do IPv6 when you have more time - or even when I also have more time....
[19:01:00] <Deucalion> qwebirc hasn't been maintained for a couple years. Should be lighter on server resources though than running a full node stack.
[19:01:36] <kolie> janrinok I mean we are doing ipv6 - it's just everything has to be on a config that supports both.
[19:01:45] <janrinok> Deucalion, we have a tradition to maintain - out of date software is what we have always done!
[19:02:04] <kolie> And the support for both out of the box on a lot of stuff isn't on or setup to work.
[19:02:35] <kolie> Hence weird issues with termination. Nothing I haven't seen before but just need to tweak and document it here.
[19:02:47] <janrinok> 'k
[19:02:48] <Deucalion> I did mention this to you kolie. There are certain classes of users and webirc defined by the interface they come in to the ircd on and the interface they are from (for the locally hosted stuff). e.g. bots got Heavy etc
[19:03:04] <kolie> Yea - I adjusted that yesterday.
[19:03:05] <Deucalion> It#s all in ircd.conf
[19:03:22] <kolie> I didn't use irc.sylnt.us though I'm using the other linked server.
[19:03:37] <kolie> All web users are going through the link.
[19:03:53] <janrinok> single point of failure?
[19:04:03] <janrinok> IRC is our fallback when the site is down.
[19:04:05] <Deucalion> There always is janrinok
[19:04:39] <Deucalion> Services is a single point of failure - you can only have one on the network and it doesn't have the ability to cluster
[19:04:42] <Deucalion> for example
[19:05:13] <janrinok> I'll stick with my simple life and nginx server :)
[19:05:38] <janrinok> I'll leave the clever stuff for you guys
[19:05:52] <kolie> I mean we could def setup any casted web irc front ends - but it does sound overkill.
[19:05:54] <Deucalion> We could certaily have multiple instances of a web irc interface on multiple servers though. Then shove a load balancer in front of them
[19:06:15] <kolie> I got the ip space to announce any cast in my pocket lol.
[19:08:13] <Deucalion> I'd agree though, anycast for web irc is getting a bit daft
[19:08:38] <Deucalion> We could get mibbit working again though as an alt
[19:09:14] * janrinok thinks somebody must have kicked the mail server - he just got a pile of email from the last 36 hours....
[19:10:16] <Deucalion> Cleared my unreads a half hour or so ago. Just a couple of glorious spam crap turds since. No deluge as yet
[19:11:10] <janrinok> I got 14 one after the other
[19:11:45] <janrinok> most of it is duplicated though - everything is appearing twice...?
[19:12:23] <chromas> I've only got one in the last 12 hours and it's a spam
[19:13:25] <janrinok> so you are sending it - I wondered who it was
[19:13:39] <chromas> >:)
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[19:23:51] <Deucalion> Got just two mails to juggs - one at 18:51 one at 20:03 SPAM both. I'm probably on different mailing lists to you though :/
[19:24:20] <Deucalion> Anyways, enough for today, going to eat and then sleep. Only another 7 days before I get a day off.
[19:24:30] <janrinok> Better quality spam you mean?
[19:24:43] <janrinok> enjoy your evening!
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[20:48:35] <soylentil14> hi from ipv6
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[20:50:03] * requerdanos :: applause.wav ::
[20:51:38] * kolie slaps requerdanos around a bit with a large trout!
[20:51:42] <kolie> hahaha i love that command.
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[23:12:08] <kolie> it's all about the people.
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