#soylent | Logs for 2023-05-24
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[00:00:27] <ted-ious> Slash plus mastodon?
[00:00:44] <ted-ious> That would be amazing if it could work.
[00:01:11] <ted-ious> I can't imagine how complicated that would be though.
[00:02:24] <bryan> it was glorious for a while with posts from soylentnews showing up in pipedot - until some very very angry people thought i was "stealing" their content from soylentnews - so i ended up turning off the syndication stuff
[00:03:09] <kolie_> Sounds pretty cool actually.
[00:03:22] <bryan> i only got half of it working though (soylent -> pipedot) the next part would have been changing soylent to display from pipedot
[00:03:24] <kolie_> Mastodon is a brilliant innovation.
[00:03:41] <bryan> this was way before mastodon
[00:03:56] <ted-ious> Too bad it's written in ruby and trips over its own feet if you put too many people on a server. :)
[00:03:58] <bryan> though activity pub and such were just starting
[00:04:12] <ted-ious> Pleroma seems much better at scale.
[00:05:46] <bryan> i wanted to keep the whole slash-style moderation though, where those guys were just limiting themselves to the much simpler "Like button"
[00:07:10] <Deucalion> bryan, being the one who wrote it... what do you perceive the amount of effort required would be to rebase pipecode as it is now for say PHP8.1?
[00:11:52] <bryan> probably just an apt-get update and do-release-upgrade away
[00:13:15] <bryan> the site is currently running ubuntu focal lts, and thus far i've upgraded every other lts release
[00:13:47] <bryan> https://pipedot.org so php 7.4.3 now
[00:13:48] <systemd> ^ 03PHP 7.4.3-4ubuntu2.18 - phpinfo()
[00:15:00] <bryan> i've rarely had to change anything on the php side, but one update to mysql a few years ago mucked up all the utf8 strings in the database
[00:15:27] <bryan> so now a lot of the stories/comments have weird letters in them like the green site
[00:16:37] <bryan> i probably should have gone back and reverted it, but alas, laziness since the last story was posted years ago
[00:16:50] <Deucalion> Fair enough :D
[00:35:15] <Ellenor> doot
[00:35:21] <Deucalion> toot
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[06:39:24] <kolie_> Minor announcement imminent.
[06:40:49] <kolie_> https://soylentnews.org
[06:40:50] <systemd> ^ 03Journal of NCommander (2)
[07:27:43] <janrinok> kolie_, that is plain bullshit. You have not said in your email what your specific skills are, what role you see yourself playing, nor why we should be seeking your 'leadership'. If you wish to purchase the domain and give it to us for free then perhaps you have an offer worth considering. However, what would you expect for your donation?
[07:28:35] <janrinok> This is not a community that wants to be ruled - this is a community that wants to be heard.
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[07:49:01] <janrinok> We will see what comes out of your discussions with NCommander.
[08:26:22] <Ingar> what's going on
[08:27:27] <Ingar> and what's PBC
[08:31:23] <janrinok> PBC is a form of charity established for the public benefit.
[08:32:35] <janrinok> Public Benefit Corporation is the full title.
[08:32:58] <janrinok> "A public-benefit nonprofit corporation is a type of nonprofit corporation chartered by a U. S. state government, and organized primarily or exclusively for social, educational, recreational or charitable purposes by like-minded citizens."
[08:53:08] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[08:53:10] <systemd> ^ 03The BIGGEST Feature of KDE Plasma 6!
[08:55:34] <Ingar> janrinok: ah yes, I get it "Vereniging zonder winstoogmerk" in our local lettersoup
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[11:17:53] <kolie_> Re my.specific skills I talked about that in this chat, check your.scrollback.
[11:20:48] <kolie_> I posted that because of specific concerns that there was a hard stop being inevitable and Deucalion essentially skeptical of anything occuring at all.
[11:22:39] <kolie_> My email wasn't meant to cover the janrinok so that's why it was omitted.
[11:23:03] <kolie_> My mistake if you had some expectation of that I thought I was just holding the line open.
[11:24:47] <janrinok> well you have set out your stall over the last few hours, thank you. I must concur with others, it is probably best that you concentrate on whatever arrangements you are making with NCommander and then come back and explain to us, and the community of course, what your vision is for the future.
[11:26:33] <janrinok> We have learned that it pays to be skeptical around here. I don't think that any offence was intended. This has been a community led project since the very beginning.
[11:27:19] <kolie_> I'm aware been here since then as well in typical lurker style. I was in the background little involved in the hazy initial days.
[11:27:52] <kolie_> It's 4am woke up to pee.
[11:30:06] <kolie_> I'm not trying to step on feet. I saw the announcement I went to NC and said this isn't happening. We all should be skeptical and there was a rug pull on eveyone
[11:30:56] <kolie_> Anyways I'll be around later. Night for now.
[11:32:56] <janrinok> sleep well
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[14:16:25] <requerdanos> dark, turbulent times
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[15:06:21] <Bytram> requerdanos: I just popped in for a bit; happy to "see" you in here!
[15:06:56] <requerdanos> And you as well. Hope you've been doing well.
[15:11:59] <Bytram> Okay thanks. I still see nearly nothing on my right and it's hard/slow to type. Other than that I am in good spirits and have a host of friends :)
[15:12:11] <pinchy> !ai what is a stuffed lemon carrying through time?
[15:12:41] <Bytram> that is about as fast as I ca type.
[15:13:37] <Bytram> ^^^ 41 seconds
[18:21:47] <Bytram> What email server do folks use.=/suggest? I've been on Yahoo.com since 2007. I'm not keen on Microsoft, or Google (harvest too much personal info). Ideally, I would like something along the lines of: DuckDuckGo. What are your suggestions and experiences?
[18:22:28] <progo> I've been on Fastmail since around 2006 or 2007, Bytram
[18:22:39] <progo> I have no comment on any free email providers. Fastmail is good
[18:22:56] <progo> Fastmail's web app is so fast and well put together that I never installed an imap client
[18:23:29] <progo> if you aren't paying for your email service or running the server at home, you are a product
[18:24:06] <progo> also get your own domain
[18:24:14] <progo> you can change providers as often as needed
[18:32:34] <Bytram> progo: "if you aren't paying for your email service or running the server at home, you are a product". Great info! I am willing to pay something reasonable ($59 to at most $100 per year) for something solid and privacy respecting.
[18:32:52] <progo> for that, I fully endorse Fastmail
[18:33:19] <Bytram> how much?
[18:34:31] <progo> minimum plan at Fastmail that supports you having your own domain is $40 per year billed every 2 days. 30GB storage, unlimited aliases (which can be routed to separate folders in one mailbox database)
[18:34:54] <progo> personal file sharing, calendar, contacts, accessible from standard client-server protocols for each of those things
[18:35:09] <progo> get your domain somewhere else like namecheap.com
[18:36:03] <progo> fastmail also has a disposable proxy email address feature (one unique receiving address per vendor who has a 'relationship' with you)
[18:36:04] <progo> I haven't tried it
[18:36:08] <progo> I use SneakEmail.com for that
[18:36:38] <progo> **billed every 2 years
[18:41:55] <Bytram> Sounds good! (Goes off to look around)
[18:42:29] <progo> good luck
[18:42:35] <progo> I've heard GMX is good too
[18:43:05] <progo> I guess they're focused on free service. with lots of fucking annoying popups on the home page
[18:43:07] <progo> forget htat
[18:47:03] <Bytram> nod nod!!
[18:58:24] <ted-ious> progo: Do you know of any free anonymous services?
[18:58:58] <ted-ious> I guess they've all been crushed under the weight of spam and criminals. :(
[19:01:00] <progo> nothing with experience where I can say you should use it
[19:01:51] <progo> there seem to be a lot of choices for secure free anonymous communication with people who agree you can't use the public main SMTP network
[19:02:01] <progo> chicken-and-egg problem
[19:02:09] <ted-ious> Every company out there wants your phone number and most even want you to install their nasty app.
[19:04:54] <progo> there was one good anonymous regular email service which wasn't free for all service levels…
[19:04:59] <progo> it got killed by the courts
[19:05:19] <progo> was in British Columbia I think
[19:05:27] <ted-ious> :(
[19:05:45] <ted-ious> Was that lavabit?
[19:05:49] <progo> yeah that one
[20:54:15] <chromas> if you buy a domain from someone, they'll also usually give you some mailboxes
[20:55:34] <chromas> that's for the cost of the domain, so like $18+ a year, depending on the tld
[20:55:57] <progo> that probably isn't great email service though
[20:55:59] <progo> ymmv
[20:56:45] <chromas> Dunno. I just put up my own server and it's been good enough
[20:58:01] <chromas> I can't imagine it'd be any worse than SN email though :D
[21:08:02] <ted-ious> I would really like at least one account that's anonymous.
[21:08:24] <ted-ious> And I'd love it if I could find one that I could recommend to other people too.
[21:08:31] <chromas> oh good luck with that
[21:08:59] <chromas> if it's free, then they're watching you. if you're paying, then it's not anonymous
[21:09:14] <ted-ious> It's really hard to get people to take privacy seriously at first when the barrier to entry is spending a lot of money on a burner phone just to sign up for a free service.
[21:09:22] <ted-ious> Exactly.
[21:09:35] <progo> well…
[21:09:53] <progo> I heard there's at least one commercial VPN where you can top off an account by literally mailing bank notes to them
[21:10:02] <progo> there's gotta be an email service like that somewhere
[21:10:15] <ted-ious> Wow that's pretty anonymous.
[21:10:22] <progo> also [insert argument about some blockchain cryptocurrency providing anonymity somehow]
[21:10:39] <chromas> use that vpn and host the mail server yourself :D
[21:10:48] <ted-ious> LOL
[21:32:39] <mechanicjay> Hell, I'll host email if someone mails me cash.
[21:34:23] <chromas> How do you get that to be anonymous though?
[21:34:24] <ted-ious> Soylent's new funding model! :)
[21:35:05] <ted-ious> chromas: Get random bills from a store that doesn't record serial numbers and mail them from a different town?
[21:35:39] <ted-ious> Oh that probably won't work too well across borders.
[21:35:51] <mechanicjay> Probably not.
[21:35:56] <chromas> Scanning that mail
[21:38:47] <mechanicjay> Stick a ten spot in a birthday card and mail it -- that might work. Setup a like 12 different mail forwarders around the country, so you could mail a tenner to a different relative every month of the year!
[21:41:35] <kolie> o7
[21:41:51] <kolie> back from the courthouse yay.
[21:42:04] <chromas> Did you win?
[21:42:11] <kolie> no one wins there lol
[21:42:33] <kolie> Mandatory settlement conference. No one agreed to anything. Set another date 6 months out.
[21:42:45] <kolie> Power was out at the building, wouldn't let anyone in for 2 hours.
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[22:06:35] <bryan> just noticed my nexus 10 tablet (that i use as a clock on my nightstand) is about 3x times thicker than it should be
[22:06:52] <progo> uh oh
[22:06:57] <progo> thermal meltdown?
[22:07:07] <bryan> inc battery blowup >_<
[22:07:19] <progo> can you put it in a metal bucket, outside?
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[22:09:46] <bryan> hmm google is releasing a new tablet soon, maybe i should swap it out before my house catches fire
[22:10:12] <kolie> lipo swell is real
[22:10:19] <progo> I wouldn't sleep with a battery like that currently inside
[22:10:24] <kolie> def.
[22:10:25] <progo> seriously it's a fire hazard
[22:10:26] <progo> get it out
[22:10:43] <kolie> I do FPV on drones. if a battery gets puffed its 10/10 its going to malfunction in the future.
[22:11:01] <kolie> usually like a road flare. violently.
[22:12:48] <chromas> Beat it at its own game by throwing it in a fire now
[22:12:56] <progo> lol
[22:14:02] <kolie> puncturing it especially if its charged is a good way to see a light show :)
[22:14:09] <kolie> get a sharp pokey and some popcorn.
[22:20:17] <ted-ious> I wouldn't do that anywhere you cared about the environment not being poisoned.
[22:20:27] <ted-ious> They can spray nasty stuff around.
[22:20:47] <chromas> to the neighbor's house I go!
[22:21:04] <ted-ious> And if it's very hot nasty stuff and it gets on you you're going to have more problems.
[22:22:09] <ted-ious> AvE punctured a battery on video and it was scary.
[22:22:20] <progo> on purpose?
[22:22:25] <kolie> I love uncle bumblefk
[22:22:30] <kolie> yea he does ALOT on purpose.
[22:22:34] <ted-ious> Yes and he almost did it inside his shop!
[22:22:34] <progo> or did he at least expect that could have happened and act accordingly?
[22:22:43] <kolie> He knew exactly what was going down lol.
[22:23:07] <ted-ious> https://www.youtube.com
[22:23:10] <systemd> ^ 03Cindy Lauper snippy-snip-snip-*BOOM*
[22:40:11] <kolie> good ole cockford-ollie
[23:21:42] <bryan> geez, 11 year old tablets are slow... device finally reset
[23:22:16] <bryan> replaced it with a 2016 samsung galaxy tab i had in the drawer
[23:23:42] <bryan> though that new pixel tablet does look neat: https://pipedot.org
[23:23:44] <systemd> ^ 03Google’s Pixel Tablet looks just like a smart display, so why isn’t it one? - Pipedot
[23:44:06] <bryan> heh https://yourmom.zip