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[01:17:17] <progo> It's been a joke in my circle of friends that you can shout "hey siri!" on a podcast and trigger the cloud telescreen surveillance devices.
[01:17:17] <progo> today I learned… It's worse than that. if it's a hey-siri that is PLAYING the podcast that shouts that, the device triggers ITSELF!
[01:17:24] <progo> fired all the testers just like Windows, I guess
[01:17:38] <progo> we're in Idiocracy 1984
[01:18:18] <ted-ious> LOL!!
[01:18:23] <ted-ious> That's amazing. :)
[01:19:32] <progo> today's news is that if you have a certain "Pixies" song in your wake-up playlist on a Google phone, the alarm function plays it and listens for "Stop!". it hears "Stop!" from the music file, and you never notice it's wake-up time
[01:20:28] <progo> I was further informed by my podcaster friend that the general command aural interface has the same problem. I always thought it was when some OTHER device plays "hey cloud trigger!" and the triggered device is a different board
[01:21:21] <ted-ious> If you have one of those devices and put it in a noisy place where there's always something going on how much bandwidth does it use?
[01:21:42] <ted-ious> Since it has to send so many pieces of audio to amazon or google for processing.
[01:22:17] <progo> I dunno but I've heard that Amazon has terabytes of accidental recordings of room audio from unintententional command triggers, and they don't delete them
[01:22:25] <progo> and they've been subpoenaed too
[01:23:28] <ted-ious> Sounds like a personal disaster waiting to happen.
[01:24:01] <progo> if you ever confused it, they have a recording. doesn't matter if you don't know you triggered it
[01:49:48] <Bytram> progo: ted-ious: That is utterly *precious*! Thanks so much for passing it along!
[01:50:52] <progo> :^)
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[05:37:57] <Bytram> #martyb
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[06:53:31] <chromas> My favorite feature of Amazon ciri is the DLC
[06:54:36] <chromas> You can tell it to burp or fart and it'll play sound effects. after a couple times, it'll try to upsell subscriptions to additional burp & fart sounds
[06:55:23] <ted-ious> Are you serious?
[06:55:48] <chromas> 100%
[06:56:01] <chromas> oh wait, where's that 100 emoji glyph in linux?
[06:56:09] <chromas> 💯
[06:56:45] <ted-ious> I have no idea how to do emojis outside of graphical apps that support them.
[06:57:09] <chromas> Yeah I was at someone's house awhile back and they had a couple amazon things so I had to do some testing
[06:57:27] <inz> ted, copy-paste :)
[06:57:46] <chromas> if you're running KDE you can press meta-period
[06:57:51] <chromas> or super-period
[06:57:51] <inz> ctrl+shift+u 1f4af <enter> might work too
[06:58:08] <chromas> for some reason KDE calls the Windows key Meta while everything else in Linux calls it super
[06:58:25] <inz> I blame zuckerberg
[07:01:30] <chromas> Zuckerberg sounds like a fake name someone would come up with to make fun of jewish names
[07:03:00] <inz> (my hatred for KDE is deep, and is firmly rooted in the 7-segment clock they sported in versions 2 and 3, which I think looks very stupid)
[07:03:20] <inz> chromas, if that is the case, kudos for the very long running joke
[07:03:20] <chromas> 3 had it too?
[07:03:52] <chromas> KDE 3 was weird. It had that plasticky weirdo theme on the windows
[07:04:44] <inz> Looking at screenshots, I think they gave up on it around 3.5
[07:06:04] <inz> Nowadays I dislike GNOME almost as much though, and E is too much of a hassle
[07:06:25] <chromas> KDE 5's a lot nicer than 4
[07:06:27] <inz> Not running KDE/GNOME leaves more memory for my browser to leak
[07:06:48] <chromas> Put an OS on your OS
[07:08:16] <inz> Most of my computer usage is anyway 50 terminals and one browser with 100 tabs to rust-lang.org open (about 10 unique)
[07:08:29] <chromas> I think the theme was called Keramik
[07:08:50] <chromas> https://images.pling.com
[07:09:13] <chromas> I guess that's the KDE equivalent of XP Luna
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[07:44:31] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[07:44:33] <systemd> ^ 03it's not working
[07:57:35] <ted-ious> I'm curious what that keyboard was before they turned it into a joke.
[08:04:36] <ted-ious> Hyperx?
[08:05:05] <chromas> that's it
[08:05:20] <chromas> I couldn't figure out where I'd seen the logo
[08:05:39] <chromas> oh now I see the whole name
[08:05:45] * chromas scrubs the vid
[08:07:28] <chromas> pudding keycaps
[08:08:28] <chromas> I miss those old keyboards with the status LED windows in the keys
[08:09:16] <chromas> Not really any reason for them though. Caps and Scroll should always be off and Num should always be on
[08:10:23] <ted-ious> Do you remember that crazy russian artist who made a keyboard where every key was a tiny oled display?
[08:11:18] <chromas> https://www.artlebedev.com
[08:11:19] <systemd> ^ 03Optimus Maximus keyboard
[08:11:30] <ted-ious> That's it!
[08:17:20] <ted-ious> https://www.cbc.ca
[08:17:28] <systemd> ^ 03Gene-edited seeds could bring more food to the table but Canada's organic sector wants to opt out
[08:17:50] <ted-ious> I used to think that people who opposed gmo food were just anti-science kooks.
[08:18:20] <ted-ious> Then someone explained to me that the thing they're gmo'ing is pesticide resistance.
[08:18:25] <chromas> Why would you want "sweeter broccoli"?
[08:18:46] <ted-ious> So they can spray the fields with round-up as many times as they want and the crops don't die.
[08:19:32] <ted-ious> Of course the round-up never fully leaves the plants so you end up eating some of it.
[08:19:33] <chromas> Yes, the pro-GMO thing is making plants resistant to all the chemicals we want running off into our drinking water
[08:20:17] <chromas> We should be building vertical farms with robo-pickers
[08:20:54] <ted-ious> Do vertical farms not get weeds or bugs?
[08:21:14] <chromas> robots
[08:22:19] <chromas> Youtubers are making robots to find and extract tomatoes from salads and whatnot. No reason we can't have robots on rails hunting for weeds and riffraff
[08:23:34] * chromas starts a cumfundme to raise meeleeons of dollars
[08:23:58] <inz> Wouldn't that then do the DEA's job?
[08:24:11] <chromas> Burning down forests?
[08:24:12] <ted-ious> Extract tomatoes from salads??
[08:24:32] <inz> ted, precisely!
[08:24:52] <ted-ious> I thought the idea was to chop up the tomatoes and put them in the salads!
[08:25:50] <inz> There are some freak-of-nature people, whose gut can't really handle tomato
[08:25:54] <chromas> it's youtube; it's not supposed to make sense
[08:26:46] <chromas> anyhow, with some cameras and various spectrum LEDs you could probably train a neural network on all kinds of parameters to detect ripeness and various diseases so you can pick and evict automatically
[08:27:04] <inz> chromas, you mean, "it's supposed not to make sense"
[08:27:09] <chromas> we have a company here who makes hardware like that but for sorting produce and stuff
[08:27:16] <chromas> inz: both!
[08:27:30] <chromas> or none
[08:27:40] <chromas> =yt optical sorters
[08:27:41] <systemd> https://youtube.com - How the Optical Sorter Works (01:04; 8,694 views; 👍66 👎[hidden by butthurt Google employees])
[08:28:00] <chromas> oh it's a crappy animation
[08:29:26] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[08:29:28] <systemd> ^ 03Europress Optical Sorting Machine
[08:34:42] <ted-ious> Wow that's impressive.
[08:35:32] <chromas> Some use air jets, others use levers. pretty neat
[08:36:02] <chromas> if I had millions of dollars I'd start up a company to setup a system like that for trash
[08:37:00] <chromas> no reason to sort recyclables at home when you can just have some guy at the dump feeding chunks into a grinder then some sorters with his 988
[08:38:04] <ted-ious> I noticed that quite a few good grapes were getting blown apart and a fair amount of junk wound up in the bin with the good ones.
[08:38:30] <ted-ious> But I agree that it would be great if we could recycle better.
[08:39:03] <ted-ious> Maybe if we required all plastics to have bar codes or something.
[08:39:25] <chromas> nah just chip'n'sort
[08:39:33] <chromas> and stop making biodegradable plastics
[08:40:25] <chromas> They should be sitting in the dumps waiting for someone to invent the technology to extract them, instead of breaking down into microplastics that will run off into the ecosystem
[08:41:38] <chromas> Looks like that company is from New Zealand, so that explains the error rate
[08:42:12] <ted-ious> How do you sort chips if they don't have any markings?
[08:42:26] <inz> Look closer
[08:42:44] <ted-ious> Micro markings on your micro plastics?
[08:43:00] <chromas> Color, density, melting points
[08:43:01] <inz> Still zoom in and enhance
[08:43:32] <chromas> probably also chip shape
[08:43:53] <ted-ious> Well if you think you can do it that way I hope you succeed and get very rich. :)
[08:44:07] <inz> I'm pretty sure it will be possible.
[08:44:21] <chromas> the buttmagic of neural networks isn't just that you can't know how they work, but also that you don't have to :)
[08:44:26] <inz> The question is rather "when," than "how"
[08:45:37] <inz> chromas, * for certain application areas
[08:47:24] <chromas> if it works for profiling people it can work for thermoplastics too ;)
[08:48:55] <ted-ious> I don't think they chop up the people to profile them. :)
[08:49:37] <chromas> only when they're ripe, of course
[08:50:10] <chromas> fruits are ovaries. what if we had aliens growing us to harvest our ovaries?
[08:56:20] * inz imagines chromas looks like Giorgio Tsoukalos
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[19:41:31] <fab23> https://www.geekculture.com
[19:41:32] <systemd> ^ 03Google's new and improved search!
[20:30:12] <chromas> They wrote an entire novel