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[05:49:54] <janrinok> chromas, I have seen lots of complaints that stable-diffusion +can+ be made to work but it requires an exact combination of certain OS release, a very specific set up, and sometimes values preset in the environment. I have got everything installed, amdgpu and rocm both identify the card correctly and confirm that it is working, but it does not get used by stable diffusion!
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[07:54:51] <kyonok2> anyone know why thunderbird makes a federal case about normal/encrypted password on TLS/SSL imap/smtp connection?
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[07:55:15] <kyonok2> there is also a very creepy "No Authentication" option
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[07:59:52] <janrinok> kyonok2, I haven't seen this problem
[07:59:56] <kyonko2> thunderbird also has an irc client with SSL/TLS
[08:00:09] <kyonko2> its not really a problem, it just makes you feel uneasy
[08:00:51] <janrinok> perhaps it is a problem at the other end?
[08:01:02] <kyonko2> it all works, its vivaldi freemail
[08:01:28] <kyonko2> now i got the idea from what you say janirok from trying to use pine
[08:01:36] <kyonko2> forgot about fetchmail
[08:02:01] <kyonko2> i can't evangelize to normies that they need a local unix site with fetchmail, pine and root@
[08:02:29] <kyonko2> just quick and dirty comms without resorting to the www
[08:04:46] <janrinok> some people are like that....
[08:05:13] <kyonko2> they just use browser bloat with webmail
[08:05:18] <kyonko2> discord is a terrible thing
[08:05:30] <fab23> webmail for the world :)
[08:05:44] <janrinok> html brings a whole load of attach surfaces
[08:05:53] <janrinok> *attack
[08:05:55] <kyonko2> i never got a webmail
[08:06:01] <kyonko2> i had a pop3 account at my isp
[08:06:16] <kyonko2> ppp login was not even encrypted
[08:06:34] <kyonko2> i do have plenty of webmails, but i don't like the dystopia
[08:06:37] <fab23> I also prefere a local Thunderbird using IMAP, had that even on the work's Google Workspace :)
[08:06:52] <kyonko2> how does google feel about that?
[08:07:10] <fab23> kyonko2: I don't care :)
[08:07:33] <kyonko2> i haven't even used up all of my google account storage
[08:07:35] <fab23> kyonko2: but in Gmail you can enable POP3 and/or IMAP
[08:07:48] <kyonko2> yes, but the login is full of dark patterns, unlike vivaldi
[08:07:55] <fab23> in Gooogle Workspace it depends if the Admin does allow it or not
[08:07:58] <kyonko2> vivaldi is like a home email server
[08:08:17] <fab23> ah, yes, Gmail does now force to OAuth2
[08:08:32] <fab23> but luckily TB contains a Browser :)
[08:08:40] <kyonko2> and an irc client
[08:08:46] <fab23> and Matrix
[08:08:46] <kyonko2> besides seamonkey
[08:08:53] <kyonko2> xmpp
[08:09:00] <kyonko2> seamonkey has chatzilla
[08:09:12] <kyonko2> although these tools may be too hard to use for normal people
[08:09:19] <fab23> because Mozilla itself migrated from IRC to Matrix a few years ago
[08:09:21] <kyonko2> on something like linux mint
[08:11:24] <kyonko2> i have a facebook login on a tab in firefox, but i think its ok if i don't click it
[08:11:28] <kyonko2> may not have loaded
[08:12:06] <kyonko2> i'm running linux mint 21.1 vera
[08:15:26] <fab23> may contain some usefull Firefox Add-ons, e.g. FB Container :) -> https://addons.mozilla.org
[08:15:27] <systemd> ^ 03Fabian's Firefox Add-ons – Add-ons for Firefox (en-US) ( https://addons.mozilla.org )
[08:15:40] <kyonko2> you are an author?
[08:15:53] <fab23> no
[08:15:55] <kyonko2> or you collection
[08:16:01] <kyonko2> the context is terrible from my POV
[08:16:06] <fab23> everybody can create a collection on amo
[08:16:18] <kyonko2> been a while for me, but IMHO mozilla is dying
[08:16:27] <fab23> no
[08:16:34] <kyonko2> i really like the save full page screenshotting for "modern documentation"
[08:16:58] <fab23> and reader view, helps sometimes agains paywalled content :)
[08:17:09] <kyonok2> how common is paywall?
[08:17:26] <fab23> on some news sites, unfortunately
[08:17:51] <kyonok2> my local news is paywalled
[08:17:54] <fab23> It is just when you get a direct link to an article from somewhere else
[08:17:56] <kyonok2> so i don't even bother
[08:18:15] <kyonok2> my local newspaper is run by a small IT company
[08:18:45] <kyonok2> the larger newspaper ran an ISP in the 1990's
[08:18:49] <kyonok2> you even got a static ip
[08:18:49] <fab23> avoid the news, reduces a lot of mental stress
[08:19:05] <fab23> mostly about things you can not influence or prevent anyway
[08:19:49] * fab23 does not know how many Yotta of static IP addresses he has :)
[08:20:23] <kyonok2> grandfathered?
[08:20:51] <kyonok2> i forgot how many 5 ip's are bitwise
[08:21:03] <kyonok2> thats like standard for business
[08:21:39] <janrinok> whata lotta Yotta
[08:21:45] <kyonok2> i notice soylent irc is showing my ipv6 prefix
[08:21:50] <kyonok2> yottabytes
[08:21:55] <kyonok2> zettabytes
[08:22:07] <kyonok2> the zettabyte file system, zfs
[08:22:19] <kyonok2> i've been using it for a while, but not in maximum scale
[08:23:18] <janrinok> if you connect with IPv6 it will display IPv6
[08:23:30] <fab23> kyonok2: no, I have some smaller IPv4 ranges from my ISPs, but on IPv4 you could have a /48 IPv6 on each I IPv4 address through 6to4, and I also have a native /48 IPv6 from one ISP
[08:23:44] <kyonok2> my prefix changes
[08:23:51] <kyonok2> well, the user prefix
[08:24:14] <janrinok> and part of the IPv6 is encoded - to protect you
[08:24:23] <kyonok2> well that is my choice right now
[08:24:32] <kyonok2> but i do use the MAC derivative
[08:24:44] <kyonok2> the settings are quite simple on linux mint
[08:25:03] <fab23> I am not sure if 6to4 still works, have not configured it any more as it broke with some OS upgrade long time ago
[08:25:15] <kyonok2> openbsd says its gone
[08:25:24] <kyonok2> it's all dual stack now
[08:25:47] <kyonok2> my isp gives me dual stack
[08:26:10] <kyonok2> if i didn't get dual stack, i wouldn't have them as my isp
[08:26:13] <fab23> 6to4 depends on public gateways running on I think 192.88.99.1 or something like that.
[08:26:21] <kyonok2> oh my
[08:26:45] <janrinok> I have just tried to restart my stableDiffusion, and it is has told be to wait while it updates over 4Gb - over ADSL!
[08:26:48] <kyonok2> when ipv6 first came out in the Y2K year
[08:26:55] <kyonok2> you had to register for a tunnel
[08:27:10] <fab23> the ISP ob the Swiss Academic network did run it, and this IPs are kind of anycast, so you may reach the one nearest to you
[08:27:37] <kyonok2> it's quite "dark" in ipv6 space even in 2023
[08:27:38] <janrinok> from my keyboard to my ISP is all IPv6 for me - what they do with it after that is their problem
[08:28:20] <janrinok> I'm going back outside...
[08:28:47] <fab23> kyonok2: I started with IPv6 when I learned about 6to4, but yes before the tunnels from e.g. HE (Hurrican Electric) where quite prominet, with local POPs all over the world
[08:28:49] <kyonok2> your wireless keyboard does ipv6 in wifi
[08:29:03] <kyonok2> yeah, i never really got 6to4
[08:29:43] <fab23> I only used it for a few years until I switched ISP where I got IPv6 native, ~2009
[08:29:55] <kyonok2> the early years were experimental
[08:29:59] <kyonok2> i don't know when production started
[08:30:20] <fab23> IPv6 is more then 20 years around now :)
[08:30:21] <kyonok2> i just found out i had it one day when i was being accused of being a spammer ip
[08:30:32] <fab23> oh
[08:30:45] <kyonok2> i found it curious that for many years, all my economy grade isp's were accused of being spammer ip's
[08:30:54] <kyonok2> in other words, i couldn't connect to irc
[08:31:36] <fab23> dynamic IP address ranges most often are sources of spam or other bots, and some service do block them globaly, like maybe some IRC networks
[08:31:48] <kyonok2> i thought you had to have a dns server running to send out spam, guess not
[08:32:01] <kyonok2> well facebook loves the traffic from them
[08:32:07] <kyonok2> its always needy poor people
[08:32:14] <kyonok2> facebook, twitter, youtube
[08:32:15] <fab23> you can allways run a resolver dns locally, e.g. unbound
[08:32:17] <kyonok2> the FAANGS
[08:32:32] <fab23> <- now also afk in RL
[08:33:00] <kyonok2> i'm going to sign up for a soylent account on my vivaldi mail
[08:33:06] <kyonok2> lets see what happens
[08:34:45] <kyonok2> i must enter an email addr twice
[08:34:51] <kyonok2> dark pattern
[08:38:58] <kyonok2> WOW THAT WAS FAST
[08:39:11] <kyonok2> thats some good peering
[08:43:38] <kyonok2> i noticed something about the initial password change
[08:43:54] <kyonok2> there is no notification that password change worked or not
[08:44:07] <kyonok2> obvious notification
[08:44:24] <kyonok2> probably something changed in the corner
[08:46:12] <kyonok2> had to sign off, and sign back in with my firefox generated password to test
[08:57:51] <kyonko2> there is no way to log off from a running thunderbird process
[08:58:12] <kyonko2> it just ate my vivaldi password and never asked for it again
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[13:14:59] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[13:15:01] <systemd> ^ 03We Should Blow Up The Moon
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[17:02:22] <fab23> "Improvement on End-to-End Encryption May Lead to Silent Revolution" https://queue.acm.org (from Thomas A. Limoncelli)
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[19:44:14] <chromas> Just keep adding moar Es
[20:07:02] <progo> eeeeeeeEEEEE PC
[20:07:36] <progo> Asus was ahead of its time
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